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jfw: But what do you put in its place? Reversing boards was tough enough as I gather even before the standard fritz chips
asciilifeform: these are w/ 256G ecc ram, and (slightly faster than the prev. but still pre-fritz) 2.5GHz, 2 x 16core .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940190 << look, the sort of shit here discussed is https://www.bootyou.net/ sorta ~nothing. if it actually does put you on the fritz, and the hoster starts whining about "attacks" and whatnot, you just need a real hoster.
asciilifeform: in other noose, amd 'family 22' cpu (i.e. where they introduced fritz core in 2013) has obvious breakage in 'usg.random' instruction (also introduced then, in footsteps of intel) : https://archive.is/BMJwJ
asciilifeform: ^ pictured is 'pi', which is item similar to rk, but rejected by asciilifeform on acct of multi-MB blobism and massive unkillable (afaik) fritz chip core
asciilifeform: re flipped bits -- actually considered soft xray as a potential diddle for e.g. google's fritz chip. possibly worth a shot at some pt.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:50 a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 21:45 asciilifeform: (1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_ro_sig.png (2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcer.png (3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcement_businessend.png (4) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_pinned_pubs.png
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/#comment-119671
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 15:34 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/ << Qntra - Tech "Press" Touting Latest Google Fritz Chip
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/ << Qntra - Tech "Press" Touting Latest Google Fritz Chip ☟︎
asciilifeform: leave n bytes in frame empty, simply gives 'fritz chip' handy spot to stuff kleptograms in...
asciilifeform: i mean, replacement payload for the fritz
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 21:45 asciilifeform: (1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_ro_sig.png (2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcer.png (3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcement_businessend.png (4) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_pinned_pubs.png ☟︎
asciilifeform: in the fritz business, they call it 'attestation'
asciilifeform: this completes the set of extant (afaik) cr50 fritz keys , on phuctor .
asciilifeform: (1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_ro_sig.png (2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcer.png (3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcement_businessend.png (4) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_pinned_pubs.png ☟︎
asciilifeform: same thrust as the fritz/cr50/etc nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 17:51 asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if anybody's puzzled re why they put this level of effort into locking down what is essentially a less-popular, bulkier ipnoje -- it's a beta test for bleeding edge of their pc fritz ( the latter, reportedly already in service in google-built serverz in datacentres )
asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if anybody's puzzled re why they put this level of effort into locking down what is essentially a less-popular, bulkier ipnoje -- it's a beta test for bleeding edge of their pc fritz ( the latter, reportedly already in service in google-built serverz in datacentres ) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 14:37 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the entomological pit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFritz-chip >> 'I've deleted most of the article. The information here is already presented in a more up-to-date fashion at Trusted Computing, which is the correct title for the technology. "Fritz-chip" was never more than a moniker used by critics of the technology put forth by Sen. Hollings. The article now represents this fact. Warrens 23:24, 29 April 2006 (
mircea_popescu: but, yes, in characteristical fashion the problem fritz chip proposes to solve is not solvable.
asciilifeform: a steerable linear accelerator ( a la electron microscope's deflector ) would make for a pretty universal , if costly, fritz cure.
asciilifeform: fritz chip, when senator fritz first demanded it, was seen as ~equally sad joke. but nao life.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 12:56 spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip.
spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip. ☟︎
asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if we find which fpga was the basis, it may be possible to craft pad-for-pad replacement for the fritz.
asciilifeform: with which in 10 minutes you can verify that, yes, independent fucking fritz chip
asciilifeform: upstack, observe the lulzfest, where http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823026 and then http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823205 demands fritz on-die in cpu ! for 'security!' ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: my 'root of trust' is iron that i assembled with own hands, out of soviet components, and sealed with glitter polish. fuck fritz tpm.
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: as far as i'm concerned , all boxes not yet cured of fritz are 'ewaste'
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 19:11 swiftgeek: doing simple fact checking, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 doesn't mark clearly fritz chip
swiftgeek: asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/h1_fritz_chip.jpg
swiftgeek: doing simple fact checking, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 doesn't mark clearly fritz chip ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (this, by the way, is why you shouldn't permit women to run the house. it's way too fucking easy for them to fritz-chip the jtags.)
asciilifeform: doubt that it's quite so trivial, typically you gotta find how to hold it in reset so it doesn't boot up to its current fritz contents
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the entomological pit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFritz-chip >> 'I've deleted most of the article. The information here is already presented in a more up-to-date fashion at Trusted Computing, which is the correct title for the technology. "Fritz-chip" was never more than a moniker used by critics of the technology put forth by Sen. Hollings. The article now represents this fact. Warrens 23:24, 29 April 2006 ( ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, without the fritz chips, the situation is 1trn "users" whose router pwd is admin, and then m00t's horde owning time magazine's "man of the year" competition.
mircea_popescu: if the priors are anything like a) "anyone should have access to computers" and b) "to use as they see fit", you'll be back to some kind of nsa fritz chip in very short order, especially if you're committed to equalitarian socialism (or, "democracy", to use the in-universe names)
apt-get: fritz, although I'm not really much of an expert when it comes to hardware stuff in any way
asciilifeform: elsewhere in heathendom, https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8pyaec/the_google_h1_fritz_chip/ << usg brigade out in force, 'this is just a tpm, cannot reflash fw' etc 'say it 3 times, it'll be true'isms
loper_os_cr50_: No I wasn't even searching. Just grab that android stuff and it suggested that strange card about the fritz chip.
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 << Loper OS - The Google H1 Fritz Chip.
asciilifeform: just like we found with the amd fritz
phf: i'm sure a russian with an electron microscope would love nothing more than do a careful job on a bonafide fritz chip
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/h1_fritz_chip.jpg << suspect, labeled
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typo in your article, 'Fritz' archive link goes to the 'innergap' chick
asciilifeform: moar recent boxen simply carry moar fritz in'em...
a111: 61 results for "fritz", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fritz
asciilifeform: !#s fritz
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2018/Jan/12 >> ahahahahahaha the amd fritz chip, apparently finally killed
asciilifeform: ( laugh, but minix was recently found in the intel fritz thjng )
asciilifeform: srsly wtf, can't just use the fritz chip like civilized stasi?
asciilifeform: trinque: standard iron doesn't have to mean 'standard fritz chip'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if amd fritz chip uses bad crypto and we derive the key, has amd thereby "Released to the public" ? no such thing happened.
asciilifeform: link was re amd's magic key cpu-integrated fritz chip, and how reddit et al 'protested', and reply was - unsurprisingly - 'fuck off'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 15:01 asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://archive.is/OExoO >> nsaware using ~second~ intel fritz chip boobytrap, found
asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://archive.is/OExoO >> nsaware using ~second~ intel fritz chip boobytrap, found ☟︎
asciilifeform: the fritz chip starts from mask rom, the contents of which are unknown (and potentially unique per-batch at factory) and it in fact brings up the remainder of the cpu
mats: (referencing next-gen fritz convo from earlier this morning)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally: i fully expect the ~next~ generation of intel fritz to use nic-independent trigger (e.g., magic string in memory)
asciilifeform: 'fritz chip or HaveProblems'
asciilifeform: HAVING THE FUCKING FRITZ CHIP is the backdoor. not somebody-not-nsa-learning-the-key.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's what the 'trusted computing' / 'fritz chip' / etc. thing was about. and that it was about this, was obvious in 1995.
asciilifeform: 'bitcoin on fritz-chipped box is a paypal' is a physical fact.
asciilifeform: 'next, bestest ethertardium, now seeek000red with fritz chip'
mircea_popescu: trinque i thought your car was on the fritz
mircea_popescu: i dunno how familiar the reader is with early us colonial history - but the british uniquely pretended that all trade must go through british warehouses. in london. they kept laoding and unloading things. so they can be taxed. exactly like the notion that an imaginary "right" of someone to something may require me to do specific things. ie, the fritz chip.
mircea_popescu would pay for an apu2 board to be destroyed if anyone wants to drill the fritz and report what happens.
asciilifeform: apu2 also theoretically boots with coreboot (there is no, incidentally, any other kind of bios available for it ) but it has a fritz chip and you cannot switch it off
asciilifeform: fritz ? nope.
asciilifeform: i had nfi that we were even buying a 'fritz chipped' box.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nah, i don't take the capital equipment out romping amongst anarchist, the antipersonnell hardware's on the fritz
asciilifeform: what's better than usgwallet ? usgwallet on fritz chip !11
asciilifeform: (rom will be difficult to read passively, and the most practical way would be to restore whatever antifuses they blew that prevent debugging of the fritz core, and attach debug probe.)
asciilifeform: though if i could get at the rom, betcha it will not be necessary to break the rsa key. there is some unwritten rule whereby the fritz sig authenticators are always porous.
asciilifeform: and whatever other interesting fritz keys.
asciilifeform: 'AMD’s PSP is based around a single 32-bit ARM Cortex-A5, with its own isolated ROM and SRAM but has access to system memory and resources. It contains logic to deal with the x86 POST process but also features a cryptographic co-processor.' << they stuffed, finally, their 'fritz chip', into the g-series.
asciilifeform: 'private keys found on AVM Fritz!Box firmware images' << some router.
asciilifeform: the ~aimed~ endgame, we already knew in 1990s, Official Microshit Linux, with all of the idiocies in one pot, and nothing else will boot on new comp, because signing key in fritz chip.
BingoBoingo: No, fritz and drug testing were.
mitch_callahan: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-11-2015#1322423 << sorry MP, this thing went on the fritz. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290944 << one of the saddest casualties of disfunctional technology i've heard of in ages. like a mother typing her dying words to her son (in irc, naturally) and having her keyboard fritz out. or something. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 20:52:25; mike_c: the keylogger is on the fritz
mike_c: the keylogger is on the fritz ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Trusted Platform Module From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Fritz-chip) Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is an international standard for a secure cryptoprocessor,"
mircea_popescu: so : those could as well be the remote part of a fritz chip
ascii_field: (regardless of what the fritz is made of)
ascii_field: see log, also, for why the approach where the whole computer is not inside the fritz is laughable on its face
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip << the reason they don't call it that is because they are trying to avoid the literature documenting the costs of making it hard and the limitation its softness imposes.
ascii_field: incidentally, the only reason fritz chip was not pushed more aggressively is that it was really intended to prohibit linux
ascii_field: aha, then relies 100% on fritz chip.
ascii_field: boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip (and yes, i will keep calling it that, because the motherfuckers don't get to pretend that fritz, palladium, etc. never happened.)
ascii_field: aha so relies on fritz chip.
assbot: Fritz Learns to Catch Compilation #1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ5GAD )
thestringpuller: scoopbot on da fritz
decimation: http://www.acmeportable.com/products/netpac#specs-section << here's one, only weighs 24 lbs and comes with a fritz chip
BingoBoingo: “Excuse me…” at that moment when the new nurse looked up from changing a bed pan, “Doctor Fritz!” Shannon yelled in amazement. “No it’s Nurse Charlie tonight,” he responded before she could question any further.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: decimation: easy riddle. 'fritz chip' was finished, shipped, now ubiquitous. no more need for group. << Not chip, but Fritz has a lot of history
asciilifeform: decimation: right. why place 'fritz chip' as a distinct physical bugger, where it is both apparent and easily manipulated.
asciilifeform: fritz chip carries on as a diversion only, not an honest effort. the folks in usg with remaining working neurons realized after 'clipper' that a plainly labelled bull's eye - is dumb.