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shinohai: asciilifeform my system is by no means perfect .... but yeah periodic stops, I only scheduled rsync for twice weekly to pogo, to minimize downtime. Never results in more than half-hour downtime.
shinohai: pogo also makes a handy local binhost, for those who don't wish to build the same 500 packages when trying new stuff on gentoo.
shinohai: Thankfully, pogo turned out to be great NAT device, I run a mech hdd in the dumb-as-bricks vertical hdd slot, and a samsung t3 portable ssd from the top usb connector.
asciilifeform: shinohai: consider taking a short at porting cuntoo to pogo, oughta be relatively simple
asciilifeform: conceivably, even 256MB-pogo-cum-mech-hdd-cum-swap-partition-cum-aggression might work.
asciilifeform: ( i had it, fwiw, on pogo )
mircea_popescu: what loose what glue trap ? you're either looking or you're not looking ; and if you're not looking a) age dun improve anything and b) god himself riding on a pogo stick can'd help you.
asciilifeform: pogo container
asciilifeform: in re pogo in particular, i dun recall a particular +ev biznis plan for'em . they were , in mircea_popescu's exact, iirc, words, a reserve fleet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pogo ? they're as usable as ever as soon as somebody gets trb into 256MB, lol
asciilifeform: not to mention that it seems to be a ~pogo with eeprom proggy (these dun show on micrograph anyway)
asciilifeform: i introduced this for pogo, mod6 et al generalized to pc.
ascii_lander: and 'marvell' (of 'pogo' fame) also
ascii_lander: i had a musltronic selfmade buildrootlinuxoid on pogo, it had this attribute (unsurprisingly)
asciilifeform: come to think of it, a little proxy box ( make out of ~anything, even pogo ) would handily do the job. think 'chinese firewall https stripper' for home lan.
asciilifeform: i find busybox to be useful on ancient routers , pogo , & similar , but quite unusable as a unixutils substitute on actual workstation
asciilifeform: ~= pogo.
asciilifeform: pogo for that matter is also an arm7 (32)
a111: Logged on 2016-03-17 16:30 danielpbarron: pogo really shouldn't be used for this purpose :<
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pogo has the minus of taking up much vertical space when disk is in
BingoBoingo will search local ads for pogos and pogo likes.
asciilifeform: ( this is not even entirely in jest: a considerable quantity of pogo could fit in a 2u vertical )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pogo!11
asciilifeform: WHAT is on your pogo
shinohai: My pogo has the pl2303x driver :/
asciilifeform: shinohai: what's on your pogo ?
shinohai: I use https://mpv.io/now, has API so u can stream from pogo ala asciilifeform
asciilifeform: you likewise need exactly same voltage converter for pogo , and most other small devices.
asciilifeform: ( even, say, a pogo )
asciilifeform: pogo's only got 1 nic
mircea_popescu: pogo ?!
kanzure: http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/
danielpbarron: can get up-to-date on big box and copy to pogo
asciilifeform: how long your longest run of trb on pogo, danielpbarron ?
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695538 "the pogoplug experiment had nothing to do with scaling" << also it worked fine on my pogo. the only issue was i was doing it on some systemd monstrocity of a linux. There's no reason it wouldn't also work on a cuntoo-pogo as well☝︎
asciilifeform: or cemented pogo, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform move the pogo cpu ? lol.
mircea_popescu: nah. easier to make new board for pogo than to make new cpu for zoolag.
asciilifeform: ( incl. pogo )
asciilifeform: ( and in fact it ran on my pogo. but that doesn't produce a usable trb node. )
danielpbarron: i must admit, working with the pogo makes me feel quite stupid. brings back that fear I used to get when working on normal computers "oh no will it no longer boot? i'm screwed!"
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692017 << very much so yes, but I have not figured out how to gentoo a pogo unfortunately. I wasn't aware that there was a published recipe for it but i'll check out the loper OS article on the MyCloud Mini thing☝︎
shinohai: asciilifeform: You had recipe to gentoo-ize the pogo?
asciilifeform: i also have a port for that other pogo-like thing, whose name escapes me at the present moment, 4 core beast, fiddybux or so
asciilifeform pictures pogo stick stake
shinohai: HDD is ok, and pogo containing my backup chain survived so at least I don't have to start over *there*
asciilifeform: ( i had a pogo going like this for a while )
asciilifeform: main weakness of apu1 is that it is approx. the pogo
asciilifeform: we had this thread, in re pogo's marvell cpu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 731 Wh is approx enough to run.. a pogo.
mircea_popescu: i think we're not talking of the same thing. so, i have, for the sake of argument, a 50k line bcc, which builds c and doesn't optimize. it's my bootstrapping compiler. it runs on musl, say. i fire up a pogo, put this on, and proceed to build a kernel during the next week.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see the pogo build articles.
asciilifeform: as asciilifeform did for, e.g., pogo.
mircea_popescu: but yes, fanless pogo has some major mojo
asciilifeform: trinque: for 'microscopic task but needs own box', i prefer something more like pogo, which is fanless, solidstate, and zero-maintenance. vs ancient clunking monster , howling like vacuum cleaner and filled with dying mechanical hdds
asciilifeform: re upstack -- i actually have here an earlier mips from imagination co. -- it is notbad.jpg (tested back in the day as potential pogo replacement)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 : next mega-advance will probably be to make it self-reproducing - i.e. to shit out a bootable hdd with itself. i experimented with this in the pogo era but hung up at the time on buildroot freezing, which was since solved by mod6
asciilifeform: the only cpp in my pogo build was trb.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives
asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives
mircea_popescu: "pogo is cheap" no it's not, i'm not buying one.
asciilifeform: if you remove 'portage', you have, magic!111, working gentoo. but it is then ~same as just generic linux a la my pogo build.
mircea_popescu: afaik the pogo is to date the only tmsr-certified digital computer.
asciilifeform: the pictured converters are quite common and the folks who played with 'pogo' already have some.
asciilifeform: ( in a much earlier even thread , about the marvell chipset used in pogotron, i found same thing -- the chip is simply not www-orderable in the west, at least not at any kind of price point that isn't a laugh when stood next to the price of whole pogo )
asciilifeform: as, e.g., pogo with mechanical hdd does not.
asciilifeform: (or on pogo. or,or.)
asciilifeform: and i realize now that all of my boxes that 'only have sh' are actually busyboxtrons (e.g., pogo)
shinohai: (as pogo upgrade)
asciilifeform: (which is still 8x moar than pogo...)
asciilifeform: pogo is great if your proggy isn't a memory hog.
mircea_popescu: wait what ? pogo is no good now ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 14:22 shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
asciilifeform: there are 3 makers of gbE nics you can buy as cards (vs mobo southbridge integrated, or SOC a la pogo)
asciilifeform: marvell makes the pogo system-on-chip
shinohai: I back bc up to pogo then restart it
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't pogo - not without writing the nand flash driver from ~scratch.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a write up of the pogo yet?
asciilifeform: or were you thinking of building ~on~ pogo
mats: asciilifeform: this looks like its for pogo's os, i'm looking for instructions re: a deterministic build process for armv5 you refer to on the ml
shinohai: mats: Didja get pogo running?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-04 22:12 mats: is there an up to date guide to rolling trb on pogo's little-endian armv5?
mats: is there an up to date guide to rolling trb on pogo's little-endian armv5?
asciilifeform: we sorta went over this in the pogo threads.
shinohai: I'm using my unused pogo as datastore for it xD
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484457 <<< do you have pogo or spare hdd to rsync chain to ?☝︎
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: why couldn't you have figured this out before last christmas ? first it's the amazing pogo, then the amazing eizo... AND NOW IT'S NEITHER
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:09 mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
asciilifeform: the one pogo item missing is the sd slot - which imho was ~useless.
asciilifeform: unlike pogo with hdd in its strange angular cradle, these things will handily fit in that colo rack BingoBoingo had subscribed to, where they give you five inch pedestals.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: thing can be, apparently, booted from tftp, pogo-style.
asciilifeform: kernel mounts its root partition (or tries to, mine no longer does!) - also like pogo. or your pc.
asciilifeform: like pogo.
asciilifeform: precisely like pogo did.
asciilifeform: anyway it isn't a wunderwaffen, just a $50 really-nice-pogo.
asciilifeform: (like every other known device that does >= pogo)
asciilifeform: thing is only a replacement for pogo in that it does >= what pogo did and 'only' costs 2.5x moar