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asciilifeform: pogo's only got 1 nic
mircea_popescu: pogo ?!
kanzure: http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/
danielpbarron: can get up-to-date on big box and copy to pogo
asciilifeform: how long your longest run of trb on pogo, danielpbarron ?
asciilifeform: or cemented pogo, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform move the pogo cpu ? lol.
mircea_popescu: nah. easier to make new board for pogo than to make new cpu for zoolag.
asciilifeform: ( incl. pogo )
asciilifeform: ( and in fact it ran on my pogo. but that doesn't produce a usable trb node. )
danielpbarron: i must admit, working with the pogo makes me feel quite stupid. brings back that fear I used to get when working on normal computers "oh no will it no longer boot? i'm screwed!"
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692017 << very much so yes, but I have not figured out how to gentoo a pogo unfortunately. I wasn't aware that there was a published recipe for it but i'll check out the loper OS article on the MyCloud Mini thing☝︎
shinohai: asciilifeform: You had recipe to gentoo-ize the pogo?
asciilifeform: i also have a port for that other pogo-like thing, whose name escapes me at the present moment, 4 core beast, fiddybux or so
asciilifeform pictures pogo stick stake
shinohai: HDD is ok, and pogo containing my backup chain survived so at least I don't have to start over *there*
asciilifeform: ( i had a pogo going like this for a while )
asciilifeform: main weakness of apu1 is that it is approx. the pogo
asciilifeform: we had this thread, in re pogo's marvell cpu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 731 Wh is approx enough to run.. a pogo.
mircea_popescu: i think we're not talking of the same thing. so, i have, for the sake of argument, a 50k line bcc, which builds c and doesn't optimize. it's my bootstrapping compiler. it runs on musl, say. i fire up a pogo, put this on, and proceed to build a kernel during the next week.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see the pogo build articles.
asciilifeform: as asciilifeform did for, e.g., pogo.
mircea_popescu: but yes, fanless pogo has some major mojo
asciilifeform: trinque: for 'microscopic task but needs own box', i prefer something more like pogo, which is fanless, solidstate, and zero-maintenance. vs ancient clunking monster , howling like vacuum cleaner and filled with dying mechanical hdds
asciilifeform: re upstack -- i actually have here an earlier mips from imagination co. -- it is notbad.jpg (tested back in the day as potential pogo replacement)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 : next mega-advance will probably be to make it self-reproducing - i.e. to shit out a bootable hdd with itself. i experimented with this in the pogo era but hung up at the time on buildroot freezing, which was since solved by mod6
asciilifeform: the only cpp in my pogo build was trb.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:38 asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives
asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives
mircea_popescu: "pogo is cheap" no it's not, i'm not buying one.
asciilifeform: if you remove 'portage', you have, magic!111, working gentoo. but it is then ~same as just generic linux a la my pogo build.
mircea_popescu: afaik the pogo is to date the only tmsr-certified digital computer.
asciilifeform: the pictured converters are quite common and the folks who played with 'pogo' already have some.
asciilifeform: as, e.g., pogo with mechanical hdd does not.
asciilifeform: (or on pogo. or,or.)
asciilifeform: and i realize now that all of my boxes that 'only have sh' are actually busyboxtrons (e.g., pogo)
shinohai: (as pogo upgrade)
asciilifeform: (which is still 8x moar than pogo...)
asciilifeform: pogo is great if your proggy isn't a memory hog.
mircea_popescu: wait what ? pogo is no good now ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 14:22 shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
asciilifeform: there are 3 makers of gbE nics you can buy as cards (vs mobo southbridge integrated, or SOC a la pogo)
asciilifeform: marvell makes the pogo system-on-chip
shinohai: I back bc up to pogo then restart it
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't pogo - not without writing the nand flash driver from ~scratch.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a write up of the pogo yet?
asciilifeform: or were you thinking of building ~on~ pogo
mats: asciilifeform: this looks like its for pogo's os, i'm looking for instructions re: a deterministic build process for armv5 you refer to on the ml
shinohai: mats: Didja get pogo running?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-04 22:12 mats: is there an up to date guide to rolling trb on pogo's little-endian armv5?
mats: is there an up to date guide to rolling trb on pogo's little-endian armv5?
asciilifeform: we sorta went over this in the pogo threads.
shinohai: I'm using my unused pogo as datastore for it xD
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484457 <<< do you have pogo or spare hdd to rsync chain to ?☝︎
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: why couldn't you have figured this out before last christmas ? first it's the amazing pogo, then the amazing eizo... AND NOW IT'S NEITHER
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:09 mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
asciilifeform: the one pogo item missing is the sd slot - which imho was ~useless.
asciilifeform: unlike pogo with hdd in its strange angular cradle, these things will handily fit in that colo rack BingoBoingo had subscribed to, where they give you five inch pedestals.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: thing can be, apparently, booted from tftp, pogo-style.
asciilifeform: kernel mounts its root partition (or tries to, mine no longer does!) - also like pogo. or your pc.
asciilifeform: like pogo.
asciilifeform: precisely like pogo did.
asciilifeform: anyway it isn't a wunderwaffen, just a $50 really-nice-pogo.
asciilifeform: (like every other known device that does >= pogo)
asciilifeform: thing is only a replacement for pogo in that it does >= what pogo did and 'only' costs 2.5x moar
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 20:31 asciilifeform: http://www.frostyplace.com/index.php?story_id=11202 << i may have found a replacement for pogo.
asciilifeform: quite likely that, like pogo, these can be had cheaper in some qty.
asciilifeform: not earth-shaking - before we can run on this, we pretty much have to also run on pogo
asciilifeform: it is same sort of box as pogo
asciilifeform: aha, like pogo
asciilifeform: ALSO unlike pogo, it comes with all four types of mains plug
asciilifeform: (unlike pogo)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pogo is a small linuxable computer, now out of print
asciilifeform: mod6: unlike pogo, thing is a HEAVY metal brick, with the drive on inside
asciilifeform: http://www.frostyplace.com/index.php?story_id=11202 << i may have found a replacement for pogo.
mircea_popescu: sure, an argument could be brought that "hey, even blocking /random is faster than dice". maybe. then consider machines that do not have a rng at all, such as pogo. maybe they want pws too. etc.
danielpbarron: I can sorta-run a gentoo on a pogo by chrooting from another linux
shinohai: btw danielpbarron didn't you have some info stashed away somewhere on building a gentoo on pogo instead of arch?
PeterL: how much power does pogo take?
mircea_popescu: actually speaking of dc motors, i wonder if you could get a hamster to wheel-power a pogo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a correct way to 'de-chink' the pogo power source might be, e.g., to connect them all - in parallel - to old soviet car battery charger.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435837 << student exercise - prove that the 10 (usa) or 20 (eu) pogo garland will necessarily explode if they all enter cpu halt mode.☝︎
BingoBoingo: <davout> danielpbarron: i may have an old ipnohe lying around if you ever feel like upgrading your blawg's hosting << I suggested "edgerouter lite" more OSen available than pogo to pick from
asciilifeform pictures jacob's ladder in series with pogo rack
mircea_popescu: get a customizable power bridge, link pogo, see how much it'll take before it falls over.
danielpbarron: recall i already did the soldering thing to make adulterated pogo
asciilifeform: e.g., reattache the missing sata plugs to the cheapo pogo version
danielpbarron: using an sd card for the userland, and in two cases both had the filesystem corrupted, which is why I had to try it on my sata-style pogo
danielpbarron: actually the irc one is the lesser non-sata pogo
danielpbarron: yeah i got another pogo doing my irc client; it was also doing my old non-wp website
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know, it occurs to me your idea to run a webserver on pogo may actually be very valuable.
danielpbarron: i think if i enable caching the pogo might survive all those hits at once better
danielpbarron: is it possible to do gentoo on pogo?
danielpbarron: just so happens i had arch on pogo already set up, so it was the easiest to get blog going on
asciilifeform: pogo is spiffy
danielpbarron: if i'm gonna move off a pogo i'll use gentoo on whatever the replacement is