mod6: !~later tell jurov I tried to send the State of Bitcoin Address email to the ML, which deeded just fine right now, but nothing seems to have shown up in the ML archives yet.
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: Perhaps you can see if there was an error. I didn't get a bounce message, yet. Will let you know if I see anything on my end.
mircea_popescu: what's the longer term plan, gonna try and tackle wallets ? dbs ? stick to general cleaning bit by bit ?
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu
mod6: Well, short term, I think the current goal is to get through some of these vpatch submissions as we said we would. Hopefully get through a bunch by year end. (Jan 8th) However, the longer term goal is to work on Ideal bitcoin.
mod6: I suspect the long term plan will come into better focus as we start to dig into some of these short term ones though.
mod6: So right now, the import/dump priv key is being reviewed/reground/updated/tested. Next, I'd say we take a hard look at maybe the rawtx one, or maybe even some of the log cleanup ones? There were a whole bunch submitted by polar_beard.
mod6: I would really like to get some of the low-hanging fruit taken care of in the wallet though.
mod6: Another long term goal is to possibly get some more unit tests written for trb. Might not even need to be something in the perm source base, but something as an overlay to give us confidence when we make critical changes down the road.
mod6: In all reality, now that we've gotten through the immediate build issues, now the real hard work begins.
mod6: It'll be a challenge, but good for all in the end.
trinque: a rawtx command would be *very* nice
mod6: *nod* it's on the short list for sure.
mod6: helping you (among many other end users), have a better/easier time with the wallet is a huge win.
shinohai thinks it is nice to finally read a Bitcoin development conversation that doesn't include the term `Segwit`
mod6: Getting a way from bdb will be a huge long term scalability effort. And we've had some very interesting ideas suggested for replacement. So I think that'll be a whole part of the Ideal Bitcoin probably. Right now, tickets 6, 7, and 8 are on a disconnected graph, but could be easily joined to the greater "Ideal" effort.
mod6: I'm sure there will be some further re-alignment of tasks in coming weeks, etc.
shinohai: I'm so tired of seeing it when I troll for articles I'm thinking of writing a script that blocks it from my browser
mod6: you've thrown some good punches while trolling lately. i've lul'd.
mod6: Anyway, overall, I'm super excited for the future of TRB.
mod6: Many technical challenges lie ahead, but with the help of the Lords of tmsr~ and the community at large, we'll be successful.
jhvh1: mod6: Current Blocks: {"blockcount":436845} | Current Difficulty: 2.5361824664148953E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 437471 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> acquisition anything < than anything << ty fxdx2
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 22:49 BingoBoingo: Or OSzall
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:33 gabriel_laddel: When my life is less shit I'll be setting up a method by which in-WOT people can get it for free. You all, of course, will be able to sell the same product I am.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:45 gabriel_laddel:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560440 < 2.5k usd. Per month, until I bitched about it and it was knocked down to $600/mo - anyways, it isn't about the money, it's about him doing absolutely nothing with it and making a mess that someone will have to clean up.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 23:37 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560997 << this is exactly how it goes, on one end of that : everyone has his own boxes / his own process for acquiring boxes. you can't buy them boxes and mail them over, not really, and if you could it'd be a specialized job and wouldn't work like this. and this isn't even the only angle, people are also variously allergic to divers proteins involved etc.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, reall Halloween truth. When Elliot was in that Spielberg movie ET, Elliot did not dress up the alien as a ghost. Elliot dressed the alien up as a klansman.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah raw tx / log fixing sounds pretty great actually.
mircea_popescu: the thing with the db is, i keep thinking about it and i keep failing to convince myself a db is even needed in the first fucking place. truth be told blockchain is the textbook example of "you don't db this shit son, use the filesystem"
mod6: Ah indeed, an 'interesting idea'. I'm excited to see where we can take that.
mircea_popescu: just the benefit of NOT haviong a whole pile of code in there doing "db" is already immense ; but there's actually no gain from slowing down the disk seeks etc through extra wrappings
mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc it keeps popping up w/e we discuss the bitcoin db monstrosity, which is about each 9 months.
mod6: Agree, we've def. discussed a few times.
mircea_popescu: (large codebase, many changes, many "developers" === shit, by definition, no way out of this)
mod6: yeah, me either. they're garbage.
mircea_popescu: and so what, we'll freeze a 2mn loc monstrosity ? you and what army ?
mircea_popescu: and then of course they'll discover this nice bug that's been there for 10 years and utterly ruins you. so you gotta update. except the only update available is made by florian "i eat shit for breakfast" weimer and well... it contains 3 extra holes to be burned in 2025
mircea_popescu: mod6 note i'm not even discussing a special fs. that's a while down the road. for now, all that's needed is some serious profiling work, to see how we store the thing. prolly as block = file ? and just use a normal ext4 or w/e
mircea_popescu: actually, improving logging to add some hooks for profiling in there may be a good idea.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb.
☟︎ mod6: sure, i think going block -> certainly fits into the same paradigm as eatblock/dumpblock.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb. << FAT32 file size limit
mircea_popescu: moreover, the disks / kernel are exactly optimized for this task. fuck around with ~mb ish item on disk
BingoBoingo: But with blockindex.dat NO ONE COULD HAVE FORSEEN!!!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo he could have made dirs ffs. << IF he could he would not be Satoshi!
mircea_popescu: block N is found in <dir first 1/4 butes>/<dir 2nd 1/4 butes>/<dir 3rd 1/4 butes>/last 1/4 bytes.block
mircea_popescu: or w/e, what was the limit, something stupid like 32k files ?
mircea_popescu: and it's also immensely ssd friendly : you don't touch most blocks. say you keep i dunno, 12 or something like that, user-configured, in memory. this way, you only write them to disk once.
mircea_popescu: pop a fresh 8x TB ssd in a 1+0 raid array, ten years later they're within 95% of factory speeds. because never fragmented, because nothing ever deleted.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 03:20 mircea_popescu: also i have nfi what "db" we can trust. they're all shit
BingoBoingo: To the Republic I pose New Header for the gray lady with the rabbit hat. "Qntra - [Fill-this-blank] Of The Most Serene Republic"
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 03:24 mircea_popescu: i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb.
mircea_popescu: they are still turds. i don't want to seek in a fucking 2gb file to find block N
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what was it, Mainstream News Outlet ? << "Propaganda Mouthpiece"?, Whatever it is this question now goes to the Peerage for suggestions.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> To the Republic I pose New Header for the gray lady with the rabbit hat. "Qntra - [Fill-this-blank] Of The Most Serene Republic" << Chronicle ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno that you'd want to make txn files really. they're small, just load their block in memory.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, fair point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. i suppose you save lookup tables huh.
trinque: doing something non-idiotic with the set of utxos seems unavoidable if you want to use the thing
mircea_popescu: reverse ptr for the love of fuck. it's FOUR BYTES OMFG
mircea_popescu: definitely trb fork will have a sane tx-to-block coding scheme
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, the txid as used in mempool and the txid as used in block is not required to match.
mircea_popescu: they're entirely separate concepts, mashed together because idiots think that the way the world appears to them in the moment is the way the world is.
mircea_popescu: the three girls presently in the room have three girls names, but if i have them fuck each other and film the proceedings the filename will be something with a time in it. apparently this doesn't make the walls collapse on my head.
mircea_popescu: because lo and behold, the mempool of their presence and the blockchain of their past deeds are not the same exact fucking item.
mircea_popescu: sadly. the main thing that holds back sanevelopment on trb is the fact that whatever you want to discuss everyone starts muttering curses and mashing kbd about the 10bn other things connected.
trinque: for that matter neither the "utxos and other lookups"
mircea_popescu: it's clear that it needs a message queue / interface with the proggy, but that's about all that's clear.
mircea_popescu: not unless you're mining, which doesn't belong mashed in here.
trinque: blockhuckerd seems almost approachable
mircea_popescu: very much so. also happens to be the correct approach.
trinque: I will be interesting to hear what ben_vulpes has to say about this, given recent block-parsing adventures
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the only correct way to do this is to make a binary tree out of txids and save that somehow isn't it
mircea_popescu: how about this scheme : you do /bitcoin/blockid/aaaa/bbbb/cccc/dddd/ a total of 16 levels, off the blockid, wherein at the end a block.dat 1mb file is found. you also do /bitcoin/txid/aaaa/bbbb/ etc also 16 levels, the last of which you SIMLINK to the correct block.dat dir
mircea_popescu: whenever you process a new block, you add the needed simlinks in /txid/etc
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which : maxsimlinks used to be hardcoded to 40 via param.h for reasons. dunno if still the case)
mircea_popescu: what time ? a txid doesn't change what block it's in does it ?
mircea_popescu: a block only comes in every x minutes, only has a hundred or so txn if that.
mircea_popescu: the one concern is that 5mn simlinks in you'll discover that "oops, we decided X number of simlinks should be enough for everyone fuck you"
mircea_popescu: hence looking into what ext2 does if you do a lot of simlinks. not like this can't be dry run with bogodata.
mircea_popescu: lol the newman quote found its way into g_l's arsstep thingee
mircea_popescu: !~later tell gabriel_laddel so the thing is - you have to rewrite this. there's a lot of very powerful ideas struggling in the mire of very poor (and often rushed) writing. there's no way out, i can't rewrite it for you. while it's starting to emerge into sense it's not yet at the level of development where it can be productively engaged. take but one simple example : "$computation against $uri validate videos were watched".
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the concept you're describing is sound, the example you use is utterly idiotic. for one thing "validating" that a video was watched is necessarily a void concept ; for another who even fucking cares if they did. in the path between a and b you've introduced a "simplifying detour" of the format a->moon, moon->b, which is pluriously dysfunctional - there's not even any reason to believe moon exists in any space where a and b ca
mircea_popescu: n exist. there's a lot of similarly broken stuff in there, and then there's strange notions i can't readily evaluate. it is also much too long, yet it evidently is too sparsely written in most nodes. do yourself & teh world a favour and rewrite this thing.
mircea_popescu: certainly the discussion of gossipd needs some updating.
mircea_popescu: o check it out, the supply of internet boat has made it to the french malvines!
BingoBoingo: "The insertion of any Howardian character in the sissy story line of passive collective sacrifice that my eyes were so pornographically subjected to last night would utterly ruin the story. Watch this episode and image Conan or Bran Mak Morn or Solomon Kane in Rick’s biblical place and the story of a tormented, kneeling father reeling in mortal helplessness evaporates."
BingoBoingo: "Such apocalypse fiction is in effect the yearning of the inauthentic sissy soul of civilized man that his baby-crib existence not be imperiled by a call to masculine action."
BingoBoingo: ^ Link to deeded statement coming when deedbutt poops
trinque: BingoBoingo: the txn is pooped once per hour; it's up to bitcoin how long it takes to confirm.
shinohai: Since former AOL exec is in charge of Ripple now, how long until we hear "You got Fail!"
BingoBoingo: There's deeper lulz. Dude's the Peanutbutter memo guy
mircea_popescu: srsly, the experience of carly "i sunk hp hear me roar" fiorina isn't enough ?
mod6: jurov: thanks. haven't seen a bounce or anything on my side...
BingoBoingo: In my estimation this design change improves mobile usability by a grave 30%, at least
BingoBoingo: Very visible, you can even say a "top" level change
BingoBoingo: Still more mobile friendliness added, at least another 27%
trinque: also tiling window manager friendliness
mircea_popescu: dude reading usg-tard "business" idiots trying to be you know, radical and whatnot is fucking painful.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: trinque: Yeah, a line-wrapping hazard has been reduced to many platform benefit
mircea_popescu: there's that image of an ape named ballmer that just won't go away already, they're so lame and inept.
trinque: See, Qntra totally has modern CSS! << lulz from stylesheet
BingoBoingo: <trinque> See, Qntra totally has modern CSS! << lulz from stylesheet That's been there most of Qntra history by nao
BingoBoingo: Sure, now's as good a time as any. I was going to save rickets for a very Qntra X-mas story, but a holiday is a holiday.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 15:03 mircea_popescu: dude reading usg-tard "business" idiots trying to be you know, radical and whatnot is fucking painful.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: so r/btc has taken to plagarizing qntra and the logs
jurov: mod6: mailinglist fixed, emails go through a ssh pipe which got clogged
jurov: and no need to resend anything
mod6: Yup, I see it in there now. Thanks for the quick response/fix jurov.
trinque: "Our device connects separate networks and will pass any traffic between them."
trinque: you keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.
mircea_popescu: it used to connect separate networks... but then it took an arrow to the knee
phf: Hagerstown, how appropriate
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that john blocke fellow copied a bunch of log discussions and qntra articles then made "his own propagandas", whereas it's just plagarized Qntra material repurposed for r/btc consumption.
☟︎ thestringpuller: we were talking about hard fork war tactics inb4 it was cool
mircea_popescu: and if it asserts itself too hard it gets the hose again.
mircea_popescu: undergrads doing "social" crap in shitty colleges truly trying too hard.
thestringpuller: i would blame the parents for telling all the kids "college is how you get a good jerb!"
ben_vulpes: > Connecting two air-gapped networks together, over the Internet, without compromising their security.
phf: airgap is sort of like cloud, since we know that cloud is 90% air, then connecting over the cloud is effectively airgapping
mircea_popescu: rectum is also ~80% gas, so connection over butt is almost as good too.
ben_vulpes: "when you kiss another human being, you make a long meat tube with a butthole at each end"
mircea_popescu: except if she's been treating an anal tear, in which case her rectum is stopped by a very disturbing, bio-like gelatinous mass. sort-of like a buttctopus.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : half warm water half white wine 1-2 pint enema best thing for loosening up noobie / us middle class white chick / general population nonslut.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this assperiment has been on my todo list since the last time you brought it up
mircea_popescu: i can only shudder in horror at the length of your buttexperimentalist.
ben_vulpes: it definitely accretes faster than i can tear items off
davout: ben_vulpes: life's good, definitely not complaining
davout: ben_vulpes: but nothing!
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 17:39 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that john blocke fellow copied a bunch of log discussions and qntra articles then made "his own propagandas", whereas it's just plagarized Qntra material repurposed for r/btc consumption.
BingoBoingo: SImilarly not seeing it. Perhaps thestringpuller can blog poast.
BingoBoingo: also thestringpuller if thestring_lab is yours, please rename it because it is cancer that defeats tab autocomplete.
ben_vulpes: man the littoral combat ships JUST KEEP BREAKING
ben_vulpes: most recently, the montgomery bumped a lock wall got herself an 18" long crack
BingoBoingo: "General Motors" Strategy, but for BOATS!!!
mircea_popescu: the littering comboship. leaves parts of itself all over the shore
mircea_popescu: yes, the world before america became great was truly a great place.
BingoBoingo: Those extra couple hundred lines of resolution in DVD really ruined things, huh
phf: i know an astrophysicist who does botany for a hobby, he's from soviet union though..
trinque: the guys exist, but the current structure of "wealth" precludes there being a healthy market for their products.
trinque worked for ex-nasa roboticist
trinque: his product? shitty carving CNC
trinque: guy was capable of far more, but who's going to buy?
trinque: ahaha taught them to be lesbians wtf?
trinque: anyhow why's a bugatti veyron exist but a million dollar computer does not
trinque: perhaps this is why I hear asciilifeform and phf sound a bit wistful for alt-sov future; at least time to time they horked up a weirdo ekranoplan
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 02:24 asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism
phf: !~google hole through which the night site:trilema.com
jhvh1: phf: No matches found.
trinque: phf: thought that was teh logz
phf: !~google fa65e4c5ad0e5f7a94337910847bd10f7af10c74
ben_vulpes: yes but i wish to know the proverb of "proverbial" proverbialismo
trinque: lol first line is alf referencing mp
trinque: bugatti is just an expensive ad for Volkswagen group
trinque: there's another scamatronic component, where they are often being rented - say by a rapper - from an agency meant to make him appear rich
trinque: in both cases the flow of money involves mass consumers
phf: some kid pulls up with chrome dipped bugatti rims now i'm thinking it's three in the am i'm walking he in a bm drop top 3 and don't even see me but you gonna believe he saw my gun in 3-D
☟︎ trinque: my point was that you have to have a different distribution of wealth
trinque: not to mention a different kind of culture among the wealthy
☟︎ trinque: bespoke, massively expensive items, have existed
trinque: some guy also launched a Saturn V once
trinque: they shot him, but you get the idea
trinque: not the name, but it was a mammoth rocket
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I'll change it the next time i'm in the lab with a pen and a pad.
phf: also was soviet strategy, hence "propaganda" which ignoring retarded western stereotypes was primarily not about "north korea best korea!", but about teaching what "soviet man of future" was supposed and wasn't supposed to do. "soviet man of future cooperates in prisoners dilemma!"
phf: it was all about hubba bubba and bazooka
jurov: please, is it really different from best korea? what are 3000ton rockets for when there's periodic famine and general inability to produce basic necessities?
phf: jurov: when was there "periodic famine" and inability to produce ~basic necessities~?
jurov: when there was soviet union
mircea_popescu: also in the 50s, of course, but then again that was mutually shared with the french, the germans, and all other idiots who bombed their shit.
jurov: and in 60s. and 70s.
phf: well, that was detail rich
jurov: except by then they could exchange oil for grain
phf: also don't forget the 40s
mircea_popescu: nah, the 60s worked. arguably su was above teh west for that brief period.
jurov: well, am i factually incorrector something?
mircea_popescu: jurov yea, if you think the soviets had it rough in the 60s you are factually incorrect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh that's a laughable notion. ru was starving even more than ro by 1985.
phf: jurov: i was actually curious what kind of "famine" you were referring too. usually they can be named by name, like the stalin and Ukrainians. 80s had shortages, but people weren't starving.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one where ro minister of defense was like "lolz, what, you think i ran off to moscow ? these idiots have it worse than we do."
mircea_popescu: phf no, they just didn't have fish at the fish shop ; the meat they didn't have at the meat shop.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in that sense the ukraine's been nothing but a famine.
jurov: phf yes, they eventually learned to produce or trade grain. but anything beyond that was never a certainty
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes, ru chicks would suck cock for tp, jeans, you name it. early 1990s, too.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you know, when they shot a dog in a bushel of wheat into space.
jurov: asciilifeform: actually i said nothing about 80s, mircea did. but non-food production woes were a thing
mircea_popescu: it's a great theory that failed spectacularly in the field.
mircea_popescu: all the su stick produced was a horde of anal children. almost as if humans are all on the same mind, and even if you keep the borders locked and the sticks sticking, idiot ru citizen will mirror idiot eu citizen nevertheless
mircea_popescu: the globalists/socialists/what have you got this much right, that it's ~meaningless to discuss "nations", seeing how people are universally the same pressed shitboard.
mircea_popescu: can't distinguish frenchman, german, russian, etc. even in widely variant environment they build the same "plox to cuckold me" mentality.
mircea_popescu: the ~only reason the concept of nation was politically relevant was because of periodicity of (pre-technological, pre-industrial) war.
mircea_popescu: once that went away, the notion of nation lost any basis.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 22:04 mircea_popescu: anyway. yes, ru chicks would suck cock for tp, jeans, you name it. early 1990s, too.
mircea_popescu: moving over to china made the 90s, which were "best ever" and what trump wants to make again.
mircea_popescu: modern democracy, like previous democracies, reduce to this, yes. "life is great while burning the furniture for heat - free heat!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, was powered by selling self to china.
mircea_popescu: somehow they bought into the delusion that usd is money. and the chinese bought them with sweat. which turns out - is money.
mircea_popescu: su is and always was ~as productive as say turkey. orcland.
mircea_popescu: eh, cherrypicking. sure, and stakhanov was best ever coal miner.
mircea_popescu: gotta engage with what people say not with what you wanna talk about.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing known in nature as "incompatible abstractions"
mircea_popescu: all abstractions are ultimately compatible. this is required for their existence.
jurov: i asked how is that different from best korea. seems you did everything you could to avoid answering that
mircea_popescu: hey, most of the infrastructure the us has been bombing all over the middle east past decade was put in place by romania. back when romanian extraction engineering was best in world, and haliburton couldn't compete for contracts, so ceausescu ended up with his own concessions which he serviced with his own boats and refined at midia near constanta.
mircea_popescu: i suspect a lot of the bombing enthusiasm past decade has to do with all that impotent rage bottled 1972-1980
mircea_popescu: note that this is a political stance, not a scholarly one.
mircea_popescu: well yes, by definition if works on and off now doesn't it.
trinque: the west didn't do their particularly weird "beat the 5 year old girls so they prance around like weird trained dogs" did it?
trinque: certainly not the same level of bizarre sexual fetish
trinque: they look like backwards villagers that got dosed with SU one day, now to this day say LOOK AM GREAT SOVIET TOO
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is very much that the small country isn't swallowed up by the macdonalds. on the contrary : it swallows the macd.
mircea_popescu: basically, stupid people are not people in any sense, but simply stupid. and they wish to be with their true brothers and sisters.
mircea_popescu: so : eiother you beat the girls for using facebook, or else you're stuck with facebook. because that's where the stupid is.
mircea_popescu: the desire of warsaw pact to "be like in the west" had nothing to do with anything, and most pointedly had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with their pretensions and aspersions at the time (freedom, liberty, blabla). it was EXCLUSIVELY a case of "stupid lazy idiots over there! we wanna go!!1"
mircea_popescu: they call it "network effects", among the educated stupid, but really what it is - idiocy has no country. it's a thing, a substance, beyond identity.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that democracy is fundamentally going to become "modern" democracy, for this reason. the mass of stupid keeps accreting.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they call it "network effects", among the educated stupid, but really what it is - idiocy has no country. it's a thing, a substance, beyond identity. << Aka Baby Boomers lamenting that no one wants to hold hands and get along like during the post war politics of their grandfathers not realizing the handholding and hugs were the anomaly
mircea_popescu: so your practical choices are rather unpalatable either way.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the hope is that we don't have the problem of the soviets, specifically because the republic has ~no problem with the idiots leaving to be with the usg&co.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in classical republicbuilding, your choice is either slaves, beaten weekly, ie best korea, or else taking it up in the ass, ie, rhodesia.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the difference is marked. stalin had to shoot people to make example, because otherwise village wanted to be with the other guys. i am on the contrary - very happy to see every last idiot leave. stalin needed peons to work the tank factory, which works on peons. the shit we did - more people are a liability not a benefit.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5000.22, vol: 3230791.27550000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5000.22
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Much as same derps never find Peace
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this point upset teh empire recently. they really fucking imagined anyone WANTS the extras for some reason.
mircea_popescu: i suppose historical bias. empire always fights the last war it lost and all that.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> oh noez, discredit. << Your discredit card has been declined
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's this pervasive "surely you want more headcount, because headcount is a number and larger amounts of number is what everyone is all about".
mircea_popescu: somehow the st crispin speech never got through. classics be hard.
mircea_popescu recommends you read into the story of the satmar (bait : "If its schools in New York were a public school system, it would be the fourth-largest system in the state, after those of New York City, Buffalo and Rochester.")
mircea_popescu: they opposed collegiate education for girls, as well as voting in israel etc. i dunno any group teh usg hates moar.
mircea_popescu: but, very much unlike the other groups usg hates, these survived a long while.
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent satmar, of course, is named for satu mare, a small town in transylvania)
mircea_popescu: nations exist where the father is not too cowardly to maintain discipline in the household.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to return to the caller : incorporated church has ~0 with more amount of headcount number.
mircea_popescu: and once you register an irc channel "it begins to matter how many heads you got". depends to whom.
mircea_popescu: the lulz @cat-v.org idiots are instructive in this field. what matters to the powerless is an exercise left for onanists.
mircea_popescu: who says you need 600 ? church holds title to the land, can't be expropriated
mircea_popescu: the fact that i can fuck the girl in any hole i choose does not mean i am forbidding from asking her which hole itches today.
mircea_popescu: just because i could bomb city hall doesn't mean i may not register a church there. optionality is mine, all of it, without restraint. i can do both, if i feel like doing both.
mircea_popescu: this is not so. what lists random nobody keeps are his problem - neither case matters.
mircea_popescu: no, thread was re optionality. ie, if x wants to do it.
mircea_popescu: what's it win ? it wins land. how does the whole thing work ? young man of visible worth, who is a knight, gets asked "do you wish to go take X mark and be the marquess there ?"
mircea_popescu: sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. what's another mark add ? nothing at all, of course.
mircea_popescu: lol someone loses their job for being bad at it ? where this, in the us ?!
mircea_popescu: well, depends. how's qntra using random ustard for money ?
mircea_popescu: or, similarly, take rt. largest program of education of one group of idiots at the expense of another, "read this so you don't get stupid enough we have to nuke you"
mircea_popescu: what with their terrorism of pointing out that mosul and aleppo aren't that far apart.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, talk to putin, i didn't come up with the shit.
mircea_popescu: guy is kind-of left in that "sarcasm" school of the 90s where you pick an anecdote and blow it up. the thing that got hot topic'ed into cracked.com and by now is so fucking forgotten it almost has cachet again
BingoBoingo: What killed the GOP in the end was not Trump, but their mailing list whoring
BingoBoingo: Show the slighest interest in conservatism? How would you like a home freeze dryer for 7000 payments of $9999
BingoBoingo in 2008 made mistake of donating in a single Ron Paul "money bomb"
BingoBoingo voted Obama in 2008 because I threatened to if the spam didn't stop, and issue was forced.
BingoBoingo: Now, the DOP will also whore mailing lists but is far more selective. You join Sierra club you get spam but spam limited to candidates and advocacy for this issue money taken for. Or so sayeth victims of that side.
BingoBoingo: Anyways GOP "conservatism" imagines itself a monolith where buying into one part means marketing target buys into whole scamatron.
BingoBoingo: WaPo at all last week were speculating that trump mailing list might have value, when it cannot because everyone on such list must be on 8 others readily whored and available.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated deedbot 10 at 2016/04/02 10:54:44 << It is indeed a bot.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the jostling of what consitutes unified GOP conservatism is moderated by a few referees. At present the longest serving referee is Rush Limbaugh.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen mike_c.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-09 00:41 trinque: so, phf was the second after asciilifeform to have a key expire. we should probably discuss how this should be handled going forward.