kanzure: i haven't. just the graphs (that was one-off).
kanzure: more embarrassingly, the data used to be public
mircea_popescu: anyway, a very large portion of why the forum has such large snr is the reference system. it is not only the first level advantage, of reference. it has massive second order effects, such as it gets people to organzie their thoughts for it.
mircea_popescu: which ius why your logs are full of "one sentence in five lines, three words to the line" myspacetardations ; whereas not here.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log..
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 10987237 / 921344 = 11.92522771082245
mircea_popescu: in fairness 12 is not terrible anyway. avg line < 6 words is a great heuristic for "collection of monkeys and idiots"
mircea_popescu: (for the actuarially inclined : #trilema Apr 25 11:09:37 2012 - Sep 10 11:09:37 2016 averages 12.80 wpl ; henceforth 16.40 wpl.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the bot auto archives all links put in channel.
mircea_popescu: with any luck asciilifeform will print them out. he does that.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, <@fenn> nobody ever got rich by not asking for money << i don't recall my ever asking anyone.
mircea_popescu: to quote that old guy in casino, "it goes against the whole principle of the whole thing".
mircea_popescu: <@fenn> guh. so i've been thinking about building a boat so i can just put all my stuff in the boat and live in the boat and sail wherever i want to go << check that out asciilifeform ! he may wanna go halvsies on orlol's tub ?
kanzure: he started building a submarine
kanzure: (the recent peter madsen stuff has been weird)
kanzure: small. he is into small dwellings i guess. who knows.
mircea_popescu: kanzure i thought it was ben lipkowitz. what peter madsen ?
kanzure: i was talking about fenn yes, until i started mentioning peter madsen
kanzure: peter madsen originally started copenhagen suborbitals, an amateur rocketry group; he is notorious for building and operating a submarine in denmark, and within the past ~week for also murdering someone on his submarine (allegedly).
mircea_popescu: anyway, small sub is problematic. there's this optimal size and domain limits for mechanical items. there's a smallest combustion engine, there's a smallest sub and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 14:31 asciilifeform: i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704926 << i was actually wondering about that. how exactly does it exist ? like, could i buy one ? is the bar of ontology here "i have a description of how it could be made" ? or "i have one in my kitchen and there's the lsit of how i made it" ? or "you can have one made for 20 bux, send here" ? or what ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:27 kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:51 kanzure: i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, romania building world's largest laser, 10 PW
kanzure: yes but he said something like <1000 or whatever
kanzure: re: the electroporator, it's a purchasable kit somewhere
kanzure: i have someone else handling his online ordering system
mircea_popescu: well i dun google groups, but ... so i could order one ?
mircea_popescu: so am i safe3 in assuming you never actually sold one ?
kanzure: well last update i got is that we're still testing it, maybe he hasn't configured shopify what a shame
kanzure: are you one of those mouthbreathing micro managers
mircea_popescu: no ; but so far the story here seems to be that the crowning achievement of a decade's effort is one item that happened a coupla weeks ago and you don't care about.
kanzure: what gets to qualify as a corn achievement anyway?
mircea_popescu: this is how people evaluate you, neh ? "what did you do ?". how else ?
kanzure: words per minute. it's funny because i'm the fastest.
mircea_popescu: i thought the alt-tmsr you're trying to build was being discussed rather than your typing speed.
kanzure: all questions to ##hplusroadmap thanks bye
kanzure: eh it also has some reprogrammable features for different waveform zapmagic
☟︎ jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Non-cultural
mircea_popescu: kanzure "to gild the lilly", to attempt an expensive artisanal process to improve an item which is naturally unsurpassable.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet a technical mind that understood promotion. (worship is not understanding)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i know, i just thought it'll payoff in lulz. it did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform come to think about it, i'm not so sure it's a lilly. different zap properties may prove interesting.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:54 asciilifeform: ~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still.
kanzure: how did you get from submarine to city?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:56 kanzure: ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:57 asciilifeform: how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc
mircea_popescu: dude trying to figure out ; being male the strategy doth involve a little twisting of items around. no big deal, the items can take it.
kanzure: i must have missed that one from alf
trinque: it's the sideways californian variant of the twisting that grates
trinque: incidentally it occurred to me today that the accent in austin is shifting due to the years-long cali colonization
mircea_popescu: then again, the space of possibilities is vast. and we're pretty divergent.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:58 asciilifeform: if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ?
kanzure: uh holding on to some vague amount of optimism that you're just full of shit about goallessness
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 16:02 kanzure: it's literally the answer i was given
kanzure: i thought i quoted it later. keep reading.
mircea_popescu: why btw ?> what'd my being fulla shit re goallessness do ?
kanzure: i don't know why you are surprised or confused about any of this. you don't do this kind of butt sniffing? it's what dogs do.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 16:16 kanzure: infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 16:26 trinque: "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes
mircea_popescu: this is supposed to be noticed by the more mentally active amongst them.
mircea_popescu: at least once the butthurt over having wasted a decade washes away.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 16:23 asciilifeform: kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 16:32 asciilifeform: understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705091 << pretty much everyone here is fluent in multiple languages. and, just like not being monetarily poor, not being linguistically poor is an imperative for the civilised man. so no, it's not acceptable to not speak languages anymore than it's acceptable to eat frozen dinners.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 17:03 kanzure: illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here
kanzure: illiteracy was regarding my inability to read and write
kanzure: typing quickly is comparatively a lesser concern
mircea_popescu is hoping he's not about to hear "because nobody told me before it's unseemly"
kanzure: i pretend to read many languages, does that count?
kanzure: then i'll claim crappy peers
BingoBoingo: kanzure: So what's the quick spiel on how to use the other channel to turn into an augmented superman. Preferably by next week.
kanzure: that's a rather fast timeline
kanzure: i suggest using it to source anabolic steroids
kanzure: but your timeline is still unreasonably short
kanzure: a lot of the roid rage fearmongering is just general anti-anger wishful thinking
BingoBoingo: kanzure: So what really is the selling point of hplus if it can't beat Trenbolone?
BingoBoingo: Still, if gene therapy is going to be a thing it has to start beating incumbents.
kanzure: have you guys laughed at the bioviva stuff yet?
☟︎ kanzure: she wanted like $80M from me "but not for treatments"
kanzure: (i mean her term sheet was garbage)
BingoBoingo: Car needs to have range, and not take an eternity to refuel.
BingoBoingo: Similarly what does modafinil and other non-amphetamine nootropics have going for them?
kanzure: my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage.
☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: Anyway why focus on longevity? Why not focus on solutions like cocaine that allow for more living per year?
☟︎ kanzure: trenbolone is longevity now?
kanzure: and do you mean cocaine resistance? why would you inflict that on someone?
BingoBoingo: No! I mean cocaine and trenbolone are drugs that allow people to experience more living in a year.
BingoBoingo: Because who needs to be 90 anyways? We already had Seneca
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 05:35 BingoBoingo predicts trend of pantsuit boy CEO's getting into this sort of artificial masculinity and calling it "biohacking"
kanzure: happened a looong time ago. ever since "bullet proof coffee" and even before that. really awful history.
☟︎ kanzure: "Anyways, it doesn't actually do magic swole imparting without at least some exercise" not according to some studies. i mean it depends on how magic you're looking for.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 03:18 kanzure: have you guys laughed at the bioviva stuff yet?
kanzure: except this one is hilarious
mircea_popescu: everyone's forever enamoured with the scammer-of-the-day. back in groupon times everyone was liek "groupon !!!"
mircea_popescu: thgen that dumb white bitch came up with this whole scam, everyone's her now.
mircea_popescu: the airbnb fucktards made cereal boxes, everyone wanted to make cereal boxes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not universal by any means. but perhaps helpful.
BingoBoingo: So, now there's a blockchain startup spelled "bluezelle" and pronounced "Bezzel"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 04:11 mircea_popescu: frisco "entrepreneurship" is ten layers beyond disgusting.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 15:50 asciilifeform: lottery winners have not merely 0 to teach, but 'learning' from them tends to make folx dumber.
mircea_popescu: therte's that ancient adage, "nothing's worse for a start-up than a bad money source early on".
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 BingoBoingo: Anyway why focus on longevity? Why not focus on solutions like cocaine that allow for more living per year?
mircea_popescu: as if i fucking need to squeeze 120% out of a party. why ? if i like it that much ima just do it again nextweek, for +100%.
mircea_popescu: again, this is the theoretical view of movie cocaine. it dun work in this manner in practice.
mircea_popescu: actually, in biological terms sugar is a very fine comparison point.
mircea_popescu: bad for you, esp in quantities ; can have some chocolate now and again ; ruins the taste of coffee or tea.
mircea_popescu: people HAVE historically claimed it's "good for you" "better food than food" "makes you smart" etc. especially back when not most people could get it.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 03:30 kanzure: happened a looong time ago. ever since "bullet proof coffee" and even before that. really awful history.
mircea_popescu: i think it might be a cultural thing. milk coffee was common breakfast kiddy thing in ro. i was amused to discover same is true in say nicaragua.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 kanzure: my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage.
mircea_popescu: if lab can keep an o2 tank, it can also keep an co2 laser tank
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a mix tho, co2 is trace amt in laser co2.
mircea_popescu: ok then. so wtf is this "100w laser". measure it in liters instead.
mircea_popescu: yes but dun have to be 20k usd. just get a cubic meter of gas mix, and some flexible pipe.
mircea_popescu: my point being : you can blow your own tube, buy your own gas, hook it all up, and let it go. kitchenware.
mircea_popescu: whole principle of laser is that excited atom will spit out photon in phase with photon going by
mircea_popescu: no seriously, this is actually used. take weak laser from tube 1 through tube 2.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 kanzure: my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage.
mircea_popescu: (ie, item that'd permit any munchausen exploit from occuring)
mircea_popescu: kanzure
http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: moreover, no, most emphatically NO there could not be subdivisions below the satoshi. in fact, not even fractions as small as the 100s of satoshis can be practically used.
mircea_popescu: there's a limited ammount of different transactions that can be indexed, and that limit is not 2.1e12.
mircea_popescu: why do these dorks imagine they're involved with bitcoin again ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as if i fucking need to squeeze 120% out of a party. why ? if i like it that much ima just do it again nextweek, for +100%. << Gotta address the biohackers and their "Drugs are bad, let's edit the meat" crowd.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> as i understand, all adrenergics are roughly similar ( in same way as all liquors, say ) in basic flavour of effect << Cocaine+MAOI=death Methamphetamine+MAOI=safe-ish
spyked: to wit: 1. dorks plant pervasive spyhole in commodity hardware, "to catch terrorists" I suppose; 2. at some point someone figures out everyone can use it, not only "agencies"; 3. at some point (much later!) dorks figure out they can be used to spy on "agencies" too; 4. dorks finally add secret method to disable spyhole.
☟︎ spyked: hi mircea_popescu; lol yeah. also, other lulz: "There are three such cores in the new PCH: Management Engine (ME), Integrated Sensors Hub (ISH), and Innovation Engine (IE)." innovation engine!
mircea_popescu: We're Boring And Stupid doesn't quite have the same sound to it
spyked: in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news:
http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s!
☟︎ jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4525.0, vol: 14007.27309918 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4525.1, vol: 38548.57252327 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4532.87, vol: 6883.17248839 | Volume-weighted last average: 4525.97621775
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 08:34 spyked:
http://archive.is/rHrjj <-- this might be of (very limited) interest re wintel x86 discussion. mostly for amusement
shinohai: Makes me rather forlorn that ex gf threw out my spi tool thinking it was a broken usb drive xD
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 08:36 spyked: to wit: 1. dorks plant pervasive spyhole in commodity hardware, "to catch terrorists" I suppose; 2. at some point someone figures out everyone can use it, not only "agencies"; 3. at some point (much later!) dorks figure out they can be used to spy on "agencies" too; 4. dorks finally add secret method to disable spyhole.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 08:53 spyked: in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news:
http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s!
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 05:59 mircea_popescu: kanzure
http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.
shinohai: Because decimals are too hard man
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:04 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701493 << he has a point, incidentally. the notion of ~approximating~ numeric machine is about as batshit insane as the notion of concave airplane or open-ended circulatory system.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 13:03 asciilifeform: ( and obsessing over cpu, in a machine arch where nic has dma -- is tunnel vision. )
spyked: ^ actually, anecdote. friend of a friend ordered cheap NICs for some business. returned them immediately when he saw they were sending weird data to selected IP addresses. the whole lot.
☟︎ spyked: so, very much an obvious case of "call home".
spyked: speaking of orders, asciilifeform, estimated arrival date for icestick is ~beginning of november. later than I initially expected, but eh. plenty of time to study related literature & assorted items
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 13:34 spyked: ^ actually, anecdote. friend of a friend ordered cheap NICs for some business. returned them immediately when he saw they were sending weird data to selected IP addresses. the whole lot.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 13:15 asciilifeform: ( ieee floats are in effect a demented, drooling integer stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits )
mircea_popescu: not to mention, eerily similar to demented, drooling char stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits known as unicode.
mircea_popescu: i'm at the edge of my chair with bated breath awaiting the imperial notion of the list.
mircea_popescu: wtf does buying "their" version of the usg coin get me ? "uhhh... same as the republic's" bitch... you can't be the same as the republic. you suck ; the republioc doesn't.
shinohai: Blokechain technologee at it's finest!
mircea_popescu: "o man, the guys in finance figured out a way to get paid for selling shares without selling any" "whoa" "Technologee man. it can do anything" "can it make you shut up ?"
mircea_popescu: " With millions of users, Kik said it hopes to drive mainstream consumer adoption of Kin, potentially making it the most widely used cryptocurrency."
mircea_popescu: totally. what the fuck is kik anyway, the irrelevant nonservice that facebook didn't buy for a trillion ?
mircea_popescu: whatever happened to telegram or w/e it was the one they did buy ?
mircea_popescu: funny how these shits are OMFG HUGE IMPORTANT RA RA RA until some bagholder actually buys them, at which point they entirely disappear overnight.
mircea_popescu: how does such huge important mass manage to not have any inertia is anyone's guess ; how fucking broken everyone involved's mind must be not not realize inertialess = worthless is anyone's guess.
shinohai: Blockchain Capital is one of the "investors" that pre-purchased tokens ( a brainfart of Brock Pierce)
mircea_popescu: bitcoins to pantsuit cunts that deal was "we'll give you 10k in cash for what we imagine is 100k in publicity" "lol this 100k in publicity is maybe worth 10 bux. deal."
mircea_popescu: in case anyone wondered "How do famous athletes and child actors end up peniless", this'd be how. like those two retarded twins, what was their name, the mcgregors. "oh we're gonna buy relevancy" "yeah, totally, that's something that works"
ben_vulpes: !~later tell p0nziph0ne stop join/parting, wouldja?
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: i have not started those experiments yet; moving entire personal workshop
kanzure: i am down with nuclear ablation too
kanzure: it's on ye olde todo list and your request will be answered in the order in which it was received
deedbot: r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: kanzure: fucking hell, a star shade. the narcissism out of folks like you will flow over any wall but extinction, wont it.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: hubris of ameliorating "global warming" is pretty cute, right up there with terraforming mars.
trinque: worst people ever to walk the earth, their own suicidality showing in every word.
ben_vulpes: as if the blip of geological time sapiens observed is representative, and not a transient of a transient
trinque been saying this to the "UNPRECEDENTED FLOODING" derps every chance he gets.
ben_vulpes: also gimme a break, the root cause here is the chain reaction of burning all of the stored hydrocarbons, and it ain't going to stop until all of the fuel is gone.
ben_vulpes: also the ahistoricity of "omfg stop burning things, slow the warming". dog, the damage was done when the first nuggets of coal came out and went up.
ben_vulpes: moreover, as if cleaner diesel's going to do anything about the haze in cn, etc etc.
ben_vulpes: "how about stop confusing ought for is in your tiny little head?"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 19:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the death of the 'fat consumer' system is not optional, it's an exponential/runaway growth hallucinatory nonsense. the lizard deindustrialization program is in re the ~controlled demolition~ of same.
trinque: runaway insecurity/narcissistic-escalation machine.
trinque: actually believe the earth is here "for them" as the motherstate of course is.
trinque: and they fuckinglovescience enough to know all the knobs and diddle.
trinque: if that old cunt knows exactly how much money to print "to grow the economy" why wouldn't some other old cunt know exactly how much solar shield to build
trinque: asciilifeform: sure that too
ben_vulpes: in other unsustainability news, ben_vulpes has another mouth to feed on the way
ben_vulpes: running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble
kanzure: what is the specific complaint about a star shade other than narcissism?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: lord only knows what unintended consequences it'll have, neh?
kanzure: ah good thing everyone is omniscient... what?
kanzure: almost everything can be weaponized. that's not a good argument.
trinque: humans fail at making predictions on far less complex systems than "lol teh whole sun/earth interaction".
kanzure: the sun shade does not necessarily need to be used between the sun and earth. there are many potential uses for sunshades, some that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily.
☟︎ trinque: it was brought up in the context of "climate change". don't slime sideways now.
trinque: cowardly conversation tactic.
kanzure: eh, i think it would be tested before using it re: climate change.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: more of the classic progressive "we'll fix the world for the poor brown people, because they can't want it for themselves"
kanzure: why would you bring the poor into this
kanzure: if we're going to talk about cowardly conversation tactics how about "omg you're going to nuke us because you're planning to deploy a sun shade"
kanzure: what part of "why are you going to be shaded?" did you forget to reply to
kanzure: ("is it going to shade you?")
kanzure: if you consider my existence to be overly taxing to you, perhaps you should drop dead
☟︎ trinque: "there's no time to understand what we're doing; lives are at stake!"
kanzure: i've lost the flow of this conversation.
kanzure: so why would deploying a star shade and testing it-- perhaps not even on the earth-- preclude understanding what you're doing?
trinque: channel's logged bub, and you still haven't absorbed the implications of that.
kanzure: i haven't absorbed the implication of logged channels?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:28 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you"
trinque: and I've dealt with enough valleytards to be familiar with the crabwalk you do in arguments.
kanzure: so, for example, there seems to be an assumption that a star shade would *have* to shade asciilifeform. why?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:28 kanzure: the sun shade does not necessarily need to be used between the sun and earth. there are many potential uses for sunshades, some that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily.
trinque: you people are so awash with marketing bastards out there you speak it natively.
kanzure: why do i need to make a hard statement about a star shade deployment plan?
kanzure: isn't it a little early for me to mae such a specific proposal..?
kanzure: also: around these parts, is it sacrilege to speak about technologies that aren't at the far end of nasa's readiness scale? that might explain a lot.
☟︎ mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:25 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you"
trinque: if you can't communicate a specific model, why are you talking, other than to cast your upvote for whatever futurememe gives you a semi?
kanzure: trinque: i think our disagreement is regarding the level of readiness or detail of a model. your requirement is one for models that are much more mature. i think it would be better if you insist on as much upfront in the future... i'll try to keep that in mind.
☟︎ kanzure: ben_vulpes: well, low-cost non-shading approaches might be <$1B but i have given those less thought. you can deploy nukes for less than $1B (like to change orbit parameters) but that also causes other problems that would be viewed as more extreme than climate change.
ben_vulpes: lol changing orbit parameters; this is a classic
kanzure: no that doesn't work so well; private space ventures would then also be world government instruments.
kanzure: asciilifeform: regarding your preference for warmer climates, is there a limit?
kanzure: wouldn't roasting to death interfere with your no-suck computer goals
ben_vulpes: and hey, a mere three degree increase could kill enough folks to bring the population back to a reasonable level.
kanzure: is three degrees enough for that
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 15:24 mircea_popescu: and if experience with the empire of "i just want to" lazy idiots is any guide, they're DEFINITELY not going to "get in trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!"
trinque: their real-me is world-terraforming godman don't ya know?
☟︎ kanzure: have i claimed that i am going to move the earth? what?
kanzure: do you have a specific problem with megalomania? or am i going to get a zen butt statement about balance in reply..
☟︎ kanzure: what value would it be to dominate a bunch of aimless folx?
☟︎ kanzure: seems that you think i am here for "true domination". you said so just a moment ago..
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> totally. what the fuck is kik anyway, the irrelevant nonservice that facebook didn't buy for a trillion ? << Porno messenger promoted through craigslist spam
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> whatever happened to telegram or w/e it was the one they did buy ? << Whatsapp, still bringing SMS to pinoys everywhere
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nuclear ablation for countries full of uppity californirasts, fortunately, just as practical. << Time the explosions, maybe get a couple micrometers further from sun for bonus cooling
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> hubris of ameliorating "global warming" is pretty cute, right up there with terraforming mars. << Eh, the right weeds would prolly do most of the terraforming themselves. Probably won't make much more habitable, but still more earthlike
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble << Congrats on your impending 5th
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <kanzure> if we're going to talk about cowardly conversation tactics how about "omg you're going to nuke us because you're planning to deploy a sun shade" << This falls under "Right to farm" Sunshade does a concrete economic harm, is an act of war
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 15:53 asciilifeform: 13:08 < kanzure> she wants to control the access in her own way
mircea_popescu: "oh, the blue usg has come up with some orc that'll do their dirty work of trying to steal publicly funded research from the rest of the usg"
kanzure: yeah i tried offering her money for copies of all ~50 TB but nope
kanzure: re: "right to farm", sunshade can be tiny, can be big, can be over ocean or whatever, all sorts of magic.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:19 asciilifeform: 'we'll butcher'em all amidst laughter and merriment -- except for a few we'll take home to experiment...' (tm)(r)(tomlehrer)
kanzure: e.g. daylength can be shortened by ~1 hour by clever shading
mircea_popescu: kanzure it's empty wankery of the sort a certain kind of us-born, esl drone (aka, castrato) engages in.
mircea_popescu: actually putting it in would certainly be a violation of the nonmilitarization of space convention.
kanzure: asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu live everywhere or something?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's really in the vein of "artificial implants and future intelligence will bla bla" sorta argument. one step removed from d&d.
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> no that doesn't work so well; private space ventures would then also be world government instruments. << If private space company aggresses my tomatoes with sunshade, that is a tort and an aggression. Traditionally remedy for unwanted shading is chainsaw
mircea_popescu: hey, did i mention the artificial technology future implants ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:21 asciilifeform: also ate a month+ of heathenlogz but eventually maxed dosimeter.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:33 asciilifeform: aite.
mircea_popescu: in other news, locally sourced undershirts of my most serene majesty are very fine cotton, but also Tres Asses brand.
mircea_popescu: it's unclear whether this means very ass or three asses, but in any case, let no one ever call me an asshole. i'm evidently a triasshole.
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> re: "right to farm", sunshade can be tiny, can be big, can be over ocean or whatever, all sorts of magic. << Per tradition and actual law anything that interferes with farming be it a coyote, hippy vandal, or orbital umbrella is subject to correction by the farmer.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:52 trinque: kanzure: fucking hell, a star shade. the narcissism out of folks like you will flow over any wall but extinction, wont it.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706369 << how about focusing on your own fucking problems! clean up that pizza wrapper! cook for fucking once. go out and walk that misfortunate dog of yours. instead of pretending to "solve" the problems of distant others for the transparent reason that you can avoid having to confront not having done ANYTHING in a whole decade this way.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:58 ben_vulpes: "how about stop confusing ought for is in your tiny little head?"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lol, still day may come where Rural King begins stocking anti-orbital umbrella rockets next to gopher gassers
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how about just stocking one fucking whip, and beating the stupid daughter to the point she cant fucking speak next she comes up with "But i LOVE HIM!!! daddy" nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: envirowhiner is not interested in 'everybody stop burning fuel'. he is interested in 'YOU non-annointed, stop eating'
BingoBoingo still waiting for "public employees walk into shredder for biodiesel conversion"
mircea_popescu: shocking how simple measures never occur, "coincidentally". really, it .. wouldn't be practical to mandate anyone on the public budget stop using fossils ? awww.
BingoBoingo: Also the irony that the only "strong employee unions" represent "public" employees against the public
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:02 asciilifeform: forty tonnes of jet fuel per diem for al gore and tim cook, trinque , and low-pressure showerheads and mealsquares for you an' i.
mircea_popescu: so, i don't have a reservoir here. i could build one, but i don't want to, because it'd be too small (there's a minimum size of reservoir, because the algae ie "taste" is a function of surface approx, whereas volume obv matter of volume ; if your tank is not big enough it'll be flavoured.)
mircea_popescu: now, the main pump is obviously pressure graded : if pressure drops it kicks into higher gear. the heating system has its own pump. which, of course, ALSO presure graded.
mircea_popescu: and the shower has a pair of buttons : if you increase the hot water debit, this drops pressure for the hot pump, which kicks in, dropping pressure for the main pump, which kicks in. and vice-versa.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because of this complicated arrangement, i can experiment with histerezis in my shower!
mircea_popescu: this is the best example of unintentional bad complexity ever.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 02:00 kanzure: eh it also has some reprogrammable features for different waveform zapmagic
mircea_popescu: but in practice... you end up with two of these on partial circuits, and now i need a fluid flow phd to take a shower.
mircea_popescu: better example of how a) commodified "All purpose" hardware plus b) best intentions all around produce an unmanageable (literally, as a physical reality) situation could not be devised.
mircea_popescu: oh and as a bonus : obviously the more complicated to be replaced is also the one that should be : the litteler pump in the heating system.
mircea_popescu: did anyone desing for this ? who, the water lizzards ?
mircea_popescu: you have no idea what jungle means. you'll find out one day.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the pumps aren't going out, they'll be here no matter what. water dun climb 1k feet out of fellowship.
mircea_popescu: you can construct reference strings for any failure count you wish.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't live with the situation because im lazy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intuitively it'd seem bound at 2x or something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to illustrate the "10`001" species, did i ever recount the time my toilet was clogged... by an aligator ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: one thing costa rica certainly is : the world capital of biodiversidad.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:25 kanzure: what is the specific complaint about a star shade other than narcissism?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:29 kanzure: eh, i think it would be tested before using it re: climate change.
mircea_popescu: this is commonly known as the thousand eyes of flies found on meat left out to rot in the sun. ie, open source community.
mircea_popescu: you're a bunch of idiots with nary a clue as to how anything works ; and what's worse, utterly unaware of this. "hurr durr what if we fed people through lungs" "oh noes, the food might explode". THAT is not the top of the list of problems.
kanzure: i don't think lungs are currently compatible with that idea. is it beyond understanding that such a scheme would require different components?
mircea_popescu: the fact that you don't know how to sort the list of problems DISQUALIFIES you from discussing the matter. and matters in general. children are to be seen not heard, is the idea, and yes you lot are mentally about 9yo.
mircea_popescu: so no, you won't be given any tasks of responsibility. certainly no "spending of billions" and other nonsense ion terms of "% of world gdp"
mircea_popescu: the MOST you might be trusted with would perhaps be something like a de-pdf-ing bot, which you don't want to do because you (wrongly) imagine it's beyond your level.
mircea_popescu: and with that... you've kinda locked yourself out of life.
mircea_popescu: the red thread being, that they JUST ARE. didn't jhave to do anything for it.
mircea_popescu: they sat correctly in class, got degree. sat in office, got paid. sat on couch, got divorce settlement.
mircea_popescu: girls are much better than boys, fatter ass, more inclined to sit. brave new sitworld.
mircea_popescu: not much of a learning machine. we're seeing a dog's mind.
mircea_popescu: yes but the claim is female humans are humans, not canides.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make a long story short, i'd be ashamed. "oh it worked". hurr.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:32 kanzure: if you consider my existence to be overly taxing to you, perhaps you should drop dead
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mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy tho, "overpriced metal rounds magazine moves to aluminum tld."
mircea_popescu can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they're still at least three years behind the republic
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some dude who gave an interview apparently. Just learning of this.
BingoBoingo shocked fake news hadn't been bragging about this one
mircea_popescu: they tend to only brag about the meaningless/pointless/nonsense ones.
BingoBoingo: AH, he pepper sprayed some antifags in self defense. Turned self in when protesters filed warrant for "of illegal use of gasses and injury by caustic agent or explosive"
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha. wait, every dumb bitch with mace in her purse is facing 20 in jail ?
BingoBoingo: Seems like this is set up for Poverty Law as new, private DOJ
BingoBoingo: Well, antifa was sorta born as "let's be soviets, not nazis" club
mircea_popescu: yeah, it5's pretty much the "brown shirts fucked our ass into such delicious gaping holes, can has again plox ?"
mircea_popescu: faggots of today heard of all the fun weimar faggots had on top of nazi dicks, licking lips in antifipation.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:43 kanzure: also: around these parts, is it sacrilege to speak about technologies that aren't at the far end of nasa's readiness scale? that might explain a lot.
mircea_popescu: it is also sacrilege to imagine nasa is relevant. there's no difference between random landscaper/jailbird injecting industial silicone into trannies behind a bar and the nist/ieee/etc as far as the republic is concerned : both are operating without a license and lying about it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the easiest way to be unpopular in middle America is to be a protester. By keeping alt-right from protesting the antiflags are monopolizing the being protester hate
mircea_popescu: nasa isn't even there. so no, nobody gives a shit what "nasa readiness" bla bla says anymore than what tardpedia wrote on any topic.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, i can honestly say i'm well entertained by the proceedings of us politics.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:46 kanzure: trinque: i think our disagreement is regarding the level of readiness or detail of a model. your requirement is one for models that are much more mature. i think it would be better if you insist on as much upfront in the future... i'll try to keep that in mind.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is a wonderful time to be alive, even if the magical internet money could be ignored
mircea_popescu: and this is on the purely livresque level of "hey guise, i have a great idea for a work of fiction".
mircea_popescu: this doesn't go into how unqualified "you" are to implement such a thing. and by you i mean collectively, every monolinguistic english speaker, pantsuit, jew, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is, incidentally, WHY you've nothing to show for your past decade, or the one before that.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:49 asciilifeform: i'd rather roast to death than live under amerireich.
mircea_popescu: there may not be such a thing as the lincoln-roosevelt republic, and an end to life on earth is not sufficient cause to maintain it.
shinohai:
http://archive.is/DvFtx "there is no more risk of loss to our customers than to the customers of a snack machine." <<< maybe coke machine, however
shinohai: Appears they are also moving their new "KeepKey" co out of the state as well.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:50 asciilifeform: my ultimate goal would be satisfied -- the demolition of californitardia and all it stood for.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:58 trinque: their real-me is world-terraforming godman don't ya know?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 19:01 asciilifeform: it's just indescribably precious, 'i will move orbit of the earth', but can he produce so much as a thermostat that provably follows the claimed algo , rather than daotronic idiocy ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 19:02 kanzure: do you have a specific problem with megalomania? or am i going to get a zen butt statement about balance in reply..
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 19:28 kanzure: what value would it be to dominate a bunch of aimless folx?
mircea_popescu: codependency, pantsuit-orc as a "happy" fambly. pretty obvious from the outside, at that.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 19:10 asciilifeform: the last generation of idiot-savants gave socialists the nuke. this one wants to give'em, what, death star.
mircea_popescu: "oh i didn't know better". maybe, but you SHOULD have known better.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble << Congrats on your impending 5th
mircea_popescu: (also, amusingly, twinning might well be african trait. certainly most prevalent in central africa)
BingoBoingo: Well, the vulpes wife is demonstrated fertile, will probably keep having babies fo another decade and a half
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone saw the 45,X0 mutation ? neckless "female".
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cashmoney: just heard about this going to do some reading
ben_vulpes: "how many babies do you want?" "ZERO" "how many does she want?" "INFINITY"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes she has a point tho, better do them all and be done with it.
ben_vulpes: well yes, and actually joking aside my original point as well.
ben_vulpes: "honey look total outlay on this is the integral of income fn for time under our roof, so let's have em fast and early while not making a whole lot of money"
mircea_popescu: sort-of like wikitropes : used to be good back when a few smart people did it. then it got famous, all the wasters looking for "brand" crowded it.
mircea_popescu: depends how easily entertained you are. me, i find tiny gekkos on the wall funny. i'm easy like that.
cashmoney: this is one of these fringe little rooms that nobody knows about
cashmoney: fuck now im probably on a list for coming in here lol
mircea_popescu: cashmoney dun worry about it, everyone knows, nobody admits.
BingoBoingo: <cashmoney> fuck now im probably on a list for coming in here lol << There's only one winning move now that you are on the list...
BingoBoingo: cashmoney: Weev kinda chikkkened outta here
cashmoney: what do u think about the Great Shuttering
cashmoney: right wing sites getting hit, something weird is even going on with The Rebel
mircea_popescu: btw, did anyone actually buy gigaom after he quit or what happened ? i didn;'t follow the lulz.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-30 21:36 mircea_popescu: ACTION can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
mats: white people love black dongs
mats: just look at all of the related videos
cashmoney: whatever happened to the MtGox guy
phf: incidentally btcbase log loads from moscow, which i consider a personal affront
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 02:15 asciilifeform: re other 'sad people', asciilifeform's pet is fond of remarking 'if your work did >0, why you not yet been gassed'
cashmoney: what did he do exactly besides ranting
deedbot: cashmoney voiced for 30 minutes.
mats: its an opportunity for cantwell to really get to know the movement
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 22:06 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706449 << see alfie ? see how the goal bs is the tool of the enemy and no more ? see how you shapeshift them to try and survive ? and yet you can't survive the noxious nature of "goals", try as you might.
mats: when he's inside he'll finally get a chance to kill some people like he talks about on camera
mats: and smuggle dope with his butt
mats: who knows, but he seems to have joined the idiot brigade since he got out
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-30 21:36 mircea_popescu: ACTION can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 21:40 mircea_popescu can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
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mats: "The day Gorbachev said to the masses in Moscow: do not be afraid of the KGB, I took a death breath. This man is a real genius, I said... He is sitting on top of a terror machine that holds the damn pile together, and he says: do not be afraid. He must have a tremendous formula to democratize. Until I met him, and I found him completely bewildered by what was happening around him. He had jumped into the deep end of the
mats: pool without learning how to swim." from an interview with Lee Kuan Yew
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 22:45 phf: incidentally btcbase log loads from moscow, which i consider a personal affront
mircea_popescu: turkey, paris etc poisoning the cache as 1.1.1.1 ; otherwise the ip is supposed to be 198.251.90.113
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if dig dailystormer.al returns 1.1.1.1 for you, your cache's been poisoned by teh tards over at eu nic
☟︎ mats: he also reiterates a sense of usg enduring through its current debt and deficits, and i struggle to understand how he, a great builder, can believe that fiscal irresponsibility will be rewarded in the future
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a trilema about why rando doesn't talk to the press. this rando should have read it.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 22:52 mats: its an opportunity for cantwell to really get to know the movement
mircea_popescu: so many movements consisting of various selections of seated dorks...
mats: white nationalists / AB
mircea_popescu: but then again, as mats points out : they are a very special sort of retard.
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a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 23:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if dig dailystormer.al returns 1.1.1.1 for you, your cache's been poisoned by teh tards over at eu nic
mircea_popescu: how about use a better resolving scheme if you're the special sort of ... ahem that uses dns in the first place.
mircea_popescu: like you know, the way you do your node infrastructure, triangulation etc.
mircea_popescu: eys but nobody obliges you to just eat google turds re the namechain.
mircea_popescu: anyway. google thinks it's a-ok for them to null name adverts.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 23:24 mats: he also reiterates a sense of usg enduring through its current debt and deficits, and i struggle to understand how he, a great builder, can believe that fiscal irresponsibility will be rewarded in the future
mircea_popescu: cuz that way he wouldn't have a boatload of deeply baked in shit to reconsider.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it seems rather obvious that after the decapitation of new york "financial" brains, the decapitation of california "tech" brains is coming up.
mircea_popescu: even odds "bay area" goes to the bottom of the sea before the decade's out.
danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695538 "the pogoplug experiment had nothing to do with scaling" << also it worked fine on my pogo. the only issue was i was doing it on some systemd monstrocity of a linux. There's no reason it wouldn't also work on a cuntoo-pogo as well
☝︎ danielpbarron: oh idk, i probably reset it a few times in the process but i do that even on my 32 gig RAM box
☟︎ danielpbarron: well it also has usb3, can put a thing in there just for swap to save the main hd
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 23:47 danielpbarron: oh idk, i probably reset it a few times in the process but i do that even on my 32 gig RAM box
mod6: asciilifeform: werd