asciilifeform finally cut down the last motherfucking green hell
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42D585D4E69C2724B635FFC697C84D81F11623C3D5A8A770A429C135127DE12 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...7567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LReunion-656-1-16-164.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42D585D4E69C2724B635FFC697C84D81F11623C3D5A8A770A429C135127DE12 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1752...1279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LReunion-656-1-16-164.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E747904CF05517E963D69C8198C6B734799A985645841277AA10A142DDE92D5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1617...7583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (relay.tfl.spb.ru. RU SPE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E747904CF05517E963D69C8198C6B734799A985645841277AA10A142DDE92D5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1761...9693 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (relay.tfl.spb.ru. RU SPE)
mircea_popescu: !!up DuaneBarry
deedbot: DuaneBarry voiced for 30 minutes.
DuaneBarry: thanks
DuaneBarry: hello btw
mircea_popescu: heya
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1672101 << ah, interesting☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 23:30 asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: heya!
mod6 is drinking bad coffee.
shinohai: Starbucks?
shinohai: xD
mod6: just some at-mines brew^H^H^H^Hgarbage
mod6 choking it down
shinohai: Looks like box running my trb node was a casualty of the storm ... fried nic despite my best efforts to revive.
mod6: oh shite
mod6: colo box? or was just at the spot?
shinohai: Just at spot
mod6: that bites, does it still boot?
shinohai: HDD is ok, and pogo containing my backup chain survived so at least I don't have to start over *there*
mod6: yah, good deal to have a backup!
mod6: if there is room in the chassis, see if you can just stick in a PCI eth card?
shinohai curses the surge protector that didn't do it's job
mircea_popescu: shinohai crazy shit, it fried via the utp cable ?!
shinohai: Yup ... blew up my whole cable modem, had to wait until Saturday for them to come replace.
shinohai: Tree fell across power line AND cable as well
mod6: and cable modem was plugged into defective surge protector?
mod6: and/or router?
shinohai: I had one of these: http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/271259-American-Power-Conversion-P11VNT3?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleps&st-t=googleshopping-accessories&vt-k=&vt-mt=&vt-pti=271259&gclid=CjwKEAjw7J3KBRCxv93Q3KSukXQSJADzFzVSROXPxzL4bKeiiY_PGHPZyPoqaTvvhA5rVq9J58JvhBoCcGXw_wcB
mod6 looks
shinohai: Everything in lab was plugged into it
mod6: huh.
mod6: i have similar ones.
mod6: i did just have my trees cut back from the powerlines about a week ago.
mod6: just in case. we've been getting some weather up here too.
shinohai: If only I had waited to move back here one extra weekxD
mircea_popescu: nasty.
shinohai: I view it as another "what not to do" moment .... add research better surge protection to my todo list
asciilifeform: shinohai: nothing beats doubleconverter ups
asciilifeform: ( esp. if you have petrol-powered secondary backup mains -- these tend to have noisy output )
mircea_popescu: apparently this was power-through-utp-cable scenario
shinohai: Yeah was just discussing ups with mod6. I haz generator for extended outages" but ups would be nice as well.
asciilifeform: shinohai: you have utp direct from pole ?!
mircea_popescu: there is no wayu you have a generator without an ups ?
shinohai: I do.
mircea_popescu: ugh. whatcha do, repurpose a construction crew genset ?
mircea_popescu: thing has batteries, yes ? or batteries separate ?
shinohai: Batteries separate .... yeah just an old construction style gen
mircea_popescu: ah. yea must get a properly sized ups for it.
mircea_popescu: talk to electrician tho, various gotchas.
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170619/#34 << this reminds me -- current UK PM's response to "what's the naughtiest thing you've ever done" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9cdhaBfre0
scriba: Logged on 2017-06-19: [15:03:55] <mircea_popescu> nasty.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'впредь в районах выполнения боевых задач российской авиацией в небе над Сирией любые воздушные объекты международной коалиции к западу от реки Евфрат будут приниматься на сопровождение в качестве воздушных целей'
asciilifeform: ( 'from this moment on, in the sky of syria, ru aviation will treat any aircraft belonging to the west's international-coalition, such as are found west of euphrates, as aerial targets'
asciilifeform: )
shinohai: Also appears they shut down the communication line to coordinate airstrikes as well.
mircea_popescu: aha. should be interesting.
shinohai: (Dunno if thier gmail addy survived lol)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prediction is, 0% actual sorties and lots of blather from west from now on.
mircea_popescu: when putting an embargo in, execution is more important than newspaperism.
asciilifeform: wasn't half the point of the syria thing, from lizard pov, to test current ru equipment ..?
mircea_popescu: there's no lizard point of any things.
mircea_popescu: they just randomly yet boldly go wherever their speech impediments carry them
mircea_popescu: (and then act surprised when you don't follow!)
mircea_popescu: anyway. the (vehehehery unlikely) alternative is that the usoviets blather in a warlike direction and as a result the russians beat the chinese to the punch of "first usoviet aircraft carrier sunk".
mircea_popescu: which from what i hear a LOT of generals in the ru army really wish to do.
asciilifeform: incidentally 'будут приниматься на сопровождение в качестве воздушных целей' could read more accurately as 'will be tracked as aerial targets', which can mean anything from 'shoot on sight' to 'we'll make angry faces'
mircea_popescu: teh situation is certainly escalating.
asciilifeform: # of 'international komyoonity' planes shot down, to date there, afaik : 0
asciilifeform: ru - at least half dozen
mircea_popescu: to date ? wtf to date they just announced.
asciilifeform: ( this counting only the announced ones )
mircea_popescu: orcs are slower on the uptake, because everyone alive in 2017 apparently reall;y believes all the shit mommy said while daddy was absent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually if you recall, this is the 2nd such proclamation
asciilifeform: ( previous was in, iirc, march )
mircea_popescu: something like that.\
mircea_popescu: of course, it depends how you count these things. international pantsuit party lost a buncha "invisible" planes to ru trained specialists working ru gear in eg serbia.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, among the ethermonkeys, 'they have messy code paths, don't follow best practices, and happen to work by the skin of their teeth. The code works on a good day with the wind on its back. But when it comes to corner cases, things get awfully complex. In the course I teach, when I point out such situations to students, they go into a diatribe that goes "well, you see, the problem can't arise because for it to happen, A has to
asciilifeform: happen first, but A is guarded by B, and C ensures that B cannot happen." This is a temporal logic proof, over a certain code path. It's complex, fragile in the face of code evolution, and totally unacceptable in professional code development. We want flat, simple invariants, maintained by following best practices. Without regard for the correctness of the student's code, we grade such cases a 2 out of 10. They ought to know better,
asciilifeform: and they're 20 year olds with two years of programming experience.'
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/i5Bxl )
shinohai: Ironic he writes this post as one of the biggest proponents of ETH out there
asciilifeform: shinohai: see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669509☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 15:14 mircea_popescu: the hanno boecks always work in the same cycle. feeder phase where they "seem reasonable" and chumpatron phase where they shed the half-hour-horizon idiots who bought it.
asciilifeform: evidently d00d is one of the chumps dismayed by the phase transition
asciilifeform: 'Bancor ended up reimplementing their own functions for arithmetic. That is, their own add, subtract, multiply, and exponentiation. ... The sum total number of dedicated tests for these math functions is 6. Multiplication is tested solely by multiplying 2957 by 1740.' << lulzy
shinohai: Repeat of the DAO in 3...2..1 .......
asciilifeform: shinohai: but it Unhappened!111 ergo dun count
shinohai: "We are grateful to Vitalik Buterin for his insightful feedback on earlier drafts of this document." kek
phf: "i know a good UDP joke, but i don't think you'll get it"
phf chuckles
asciilifeform: ahaha
Framedragger: a good UDP joke
Framedragger: i, too, know
Framedragger: i, too, know
asciilifeform: hey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP jokehey i know a TCP joke[barf]
mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem with usoviet academiatards is that they "see the potential" in a very special definition of potential.
phf: also new poc||gtfo is out, https://www.sultanik.com/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo15.pdf
phf: (main mirror is being firehosed right now)
mircea_popescu: i UDP joke also i UDP know joke also know.
asciilifeform: phf: i'll admit that my favourite thing in these is.. the ads
shinohai: Trump is supposed to make America great again ... deport the Asst. Prof. back to Turkey!
mircea_popescu: what, and lose out on all that insightful bullshit ?
phf: i agree, there's only so many "we reversed this obscure tamagochi device" or "we figured out how to put SWF into a JPEG" articles one can read. but i just read it for the presentation. used to be a lot more zines in the late 90s early 2000s, so i suspect the whole poc||gtfo is a "thirsty man in the desert" thing
trinque: all this war cocktease.
mircea_popescu: the "Death of the zine" generally is an interesting epiphenomen of the intellectual check-out the internet brought.
asciilifeform: phf: also at a certain point 'they don't know about tmsr' evaporates and turns into 'they studiously ignore, like bernstein'
mircea_popescu: very neatly follows the 1980s / 1990s transition
trinque: what, everyone's going to go punch syria harder, and from a slightly different angle?
mircea_popescu: trinque syria is little more than a firing range. used to be a country, but... went the way of the united states.
trinque: evokes a teenager taking passive aggression out on a wall.
mircea_popescu: hey, there's lotsa little ugly misshod misborn lincolns out there. and what they do is wreck countries, to assuage the overpowering intuition of their own inadequate insufficiency.
mircea_popescu: "maybe if i fuck up the republic / burn the temple, people will remember me for that rather than for being so ugly monkeys averted their eyes / having a really ridiculously small penis."
mircea_popescu: of course they won't, but reality is not part of the lincoln thought process. as alf says, studiously not.
asciilifeform: the other bit is that 'i'll die a hunchback, but hey i have a shovel and can enhunchback my neighbour, he will share in the misery' is a 'logical' process. the spartans, i suspect, understood this, i.e. it is catastrophically stupid to 'live and let live' the deformed. esp. the mentally deformed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as discussed, 100% of the whole "let live" ie, keep all the 8 males around is simply socialism support pillar. to have equality, gotta fetter manhood.
asciilifeform: ( see also mircea_popescu's '...bullying is done by normal, sane and upstanding humans who are trying to do their part so we don't live among monsters' -- http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes )
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: seriously now, see a loser, mock a loser. preferably to death, but if not to tears.
mircea_popescu: it's the only decent thing to do, and moreover an absolute moral obligation.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the social media "red pill" is all about, and was born out of, purely ustardian "YOU TOO!!! could bla bla WITH THESE SECRETS I FOUND"
mircea_popescu: ie, reddit red is distinctly blue in color.
asciilifeform: 'take this magic pill' -- sells. 'go eat nagant, you were a mistake of nature' -- doesn't
mircea_popescu: should.
asciilifeform: well it doesn't. just like my garbage bags won't walk to the dump by themselves, even if asked politely.
mircea_popescu: hey, history contains 0 animated garbage bag and thousands of "i attained self-awareness, discovered i was bug, nagant'd."
asciilifeform: thousands, note. not billions.
mircea_popescu: yeah. then again history does not record all.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672255 << apparently saying the latter is now a criminal offense worthy of 20 years' time, in greatest country in the world.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-19 16:51 asciilifeform: 'take this magic pill' -- sells. 'go eat nagant, you were a mistake of nature' -- doesn't
asciilifeform: the 'bullying' trials aha
hanbot: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/16/us/michelle-carter-texting-case/index.html yeh.
hanbot: "bullying", "psychotherapy", w/e
mircea_popescu: ahahaah check that retarded shit out, jury actually came out with a guilty verdict. because "it's terribly terribly bad some loser bit it" and that's good enough a rationale.
mircea_popescu: if anyone knows greater travesti than us trials by now, i'd like to hear wtf it is
hanbot: mircea_popescu: no jury. they went with single judicial decision.
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: lemme guess, 'public defender' recommended
hanbot: the rationale of which iirc was supposed to be that a judge would be less affected by her "bad attitude" in the texts or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either that or "mandatory minimum".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, you still get jury if you demand one
mircea_popescu: hanbot traditionally why that's done, eg in japan.
mircea_popescu: requires, however, actual judges, as in, white men, not obamas.
asciilifeform: ( unless you're a 'sonderbehandlung' case, e.g. in gitmo )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unless the unless, you get, sure.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't do anything, then you get.
hanbot: you get got, maybe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementarily, 'unless' - e.g. d00d shot by cops in his own house (plenty of these every week, and the white-skinned ones ~nobody documents in usa) gets neither judge nor jury, etc
mircea_popescu: yet in the country where the idiots think "discussing your salary is a social faux pas", the social stigma still attaches to "accused of" rather than to "law" enforcement.
asciilifeform: '"It got to the point that he was apologizing to her, ... apologizing to her for not being dead yet,"' << lel
mircea_popescu: kinda how biofilth stories go.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672280 << and yet you still opt to live there!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-19 17:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementarily, 'unless' - e.g. d00d shot by cops in his own house (plenty of these every week, and the white-skinned ones ~nobody documents in usa) gets neither judge nor jury, etc
hanbot: mircea_popescu if stigma successfully attached to law enforcement people'd have to stop mindlessly doing what they say, which might require thought, or worse yet, initiative, and meh pass the doritos.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, black communities are the forward thinkers on this score.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a pretty long list of things that being shot by police - beats
mircea_popescu: the whole "stigmatize criminal gang pretending to enforce law" is a true conceptual revolution, much more so than piddly efforts such as "destigmatize faggotry"
mircea_popescu: an' they're leading it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda how the shit works, huh.
mircea_popescu: pass teh doritos!
asciilifeform: in other amerilulz from same rag, https://archive.is/Bxot3 >> 'In a report published Sunday, Pyongyang's state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) accused US Department of Homeland Security officers and airport police of taking a diplomatic package away from the delegation, which it said carried a valid diplomatic courier certificate. KCNA called the incident "an illegal and heinous act of provocation," adding that US authorities b
asciilifeform: ehaved like "gangsters."'
mircea_popescu: heh
hanbot: mircea_popescu i wonder what proportion of nonblacks' failure in that regard owes to not having been picked on "enough", vs what "communities"
mircea_popescu: i expect it's entirely because never been touched.
asciilifeform: from also same rag, moar gold, 'A Pennsylvania man was convicted Tuesday of sexually assaulting six young sisters married off by their parents in return for financial support.... The verdict came almost a year after police said they found Kaplan living with 12 females at his Feasterville home, including an 18-year-old who prosecutors said was "gifted" to him after he provided financial support for her parents.' ( https://archive.is/x
asciilifeform: mKrh ) didjaknow !!
mircea_popescu: people love to think their dumb shit is their own, yet a kid who's never been touched will "by itself" behave exactly the same way as an adult all the time no exceptions.
asciilifeform: childrenz belong to the great inca, didjaknow, how dare d00d sell'em, etc
hanbot: asciilifeform that town's name is...unfortunate
mircea_popescu: check it out, dood had harem in the us!
asciilifeform: emphasis on past tense
asciilifeform: 'недобитый kulak dekulakized!' newz at 11
mircea_popescu: and the crime was, "having it way better than the judge / lawyers involved" ?
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: ( what is every 'statutory rape' prosecution even about, to begin with, do you think. )
mircea_popescu: "i wish i was fucking 16yos" ?
asciilifeform: what else.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. who actually wants to fuck 16yos.
trinque: protestants
shinohai: hue
mircea_popescu: and i suppose 15yo boys
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-23#1107897 << see also☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-23 12:23 ascii_panama: some nonzero portion of socialistoidderp is 'revenge' of low-smv folks against the high. dan mocsny observed this and it is a hypothesis with some explanatory power.
mircea_popescu skipped the whole fucking 16yos thing almost entirely. went from not giving shit about girls at 12 to doing 20somethings by 16.
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm a monster!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, the gurlz are typically fully-hatched zombies by 25
asciilifeform: hence the popularity of '16'
mircea_popescu: ah that huh.
mircea_popescu: cluj is a city on the hill, going to colege there implies (or did at the time) 2 miles / day walked uphill... ah what times.
shinohai: In unsecured Amazon server fails: http://archive.is/nKDQr
ben_vulpes: b-b-but govcloud!
mircea_popescu: dont worry, it didn't really happen
asciilifeform: nao if only shit somebody actually wanted, were to leak...
mircea_popescu: only shit that exists can leak!
asciilifeform: let's say, e.g., the privkeys of 'keybase' idiots
asciilifeform: or other goxers
asciilifeform: just to be narrowly specific to 'certainly exists, not yet leaked to public'
Framedragger: https://www.qualys.com/2017/06/19/stack-clash/stack-clash.txt
asciilifeform: Run Moar CMachine!11
ben_vulpes: in other "faces of meth": http://pamplinmedia.com/cr/24-news/363414-243949-ccso-woman-kidnapped-held-in-rv-for-12-hours-in-oak-grove
phf: https://parity.io/parity.html i'm not sure what this is even supposed to be, but my dosimeter went off scale.
shinohai: "On Fedora and CentOS, this ld.so "hwcap" exploit fails against
shinohai: /usr/bin/passwd and /usr/bin/chage (but it works against all other
shinohai: SUID-root binaries) because of SELinux"
shinohai: yup
asciilifeform: in other lulz, orlol is selling his tub : http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/06/prince-kropotkin-is-for-sale.html
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/P7Xx3 << for approx 1 toyota's worth
mircea_popescu: it's vaguely annoying any rando can name his tub "prince kropotkin"
asciilifeform: can also name, whatever, 'center of universe'
mircea_popescu: this is also vaguely annoying.
asciilifeform: i saw a tub of similar size, in the port, named 'ctrl-alt-del'
mircea_popescu: lol nb
asciilifeform: lol, engine under kitchen sink
mircea_popescu: doubles as either garbage propeller or garbage disposer ?
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/wIPJL )
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought his current thing were bigger..
mircea_popescu: phf your bouncer did some weird earlier.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do all small boats have that weird triangular bed thing ??
mircea_popescu: prolly
mircea_popescu: riverboats don't, though
phf: mircea_popescu: so the server i was connected to rebooted (or something like that), and then i was sitting on reconnect for a bit, until i explicitly changed it to a different server. what was it doing?
mircea_popescu: spit out ips 3x
phf: and so castles made of sand, melts into the sea eventually
mircea_popescu: just said in case you didn't know / cared.
phf nods
shinohai: Another storm headed my way folx, so if I vanish for another 48 hrs, thanks comcast!
mircea_popescu: gl eh
shinohai: Thanx! :D
shinohai actually likes storms, besides the circuitry frying parts ,,,,
mod6: yeah, gl
asciilifeform: storm here also lol
asciilifeform: ( these affect everything ~but~ the comps , which are on isolated mains )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672334 << when asciilifeform thinks 'flyover usa' he thinks specifically of these 'beauties'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-19 18:03 ben_vulpes: in other "faces of meth": http://pamplinmedia.com/cr/24-news/363414-243949-ccso-woman-kidnapped-held-in-rv-for-12-hours-in-oak-grove