billymg: i did some reading on pingbacks vs trackbacks and it looks like we could remove trackbacks without anyone noticing (mp-wp supports pingbacks and that seems to be what everyone is using)
billymg: i'm not sure if that's what you meant though
billymg: or is the idea to rip out all unused pieces in xmlrpc (blogger, metaweblog, movabletype, etc...) and rewrite the pingback support keeping the select mechanism rather than layering it in after the fact?
billymg: keeping the select mechanism in mind*
mircea_popescu: billymg, the removal part is easy, just delete * from comments where trackback
mircea_popescu: every time a new article is posted, there's some subroutine that goes through all the links and sends the pingbacks. the idea is to hijack that so it re-does the entire db
billymg: ah, so more of a one-time job/script?
billymg: or, i guess i mean, could a migration script of sorts that's run once manually accomplish the same goal?
billymg: mircea_popescu: i could be completely missing the point though, i'm still not very familiar with pingbacks outside of the small bit i've read since you mentioned it
mircea_popescu: billymg, did you ever find the trilema article re how to re-do your missed pingbacks ?
mircea_popescu: fucking chinesium, everything;s just a name now. "oh, gigabyte". really, sucker ? why not hagen daasz! ITS DANISH ICECREAM
mircea_popescu: !!rate diana_coman 9 her ladyship the marquess eulora.
mircea_popescu: hey, who knew, my little gimmick with the titles years ago makes this way the fuck easier now. win.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:37:26 trinque: bv wishes not to be raised, and I shan't press the issue further.
mircea_popescu: i suppose another side effect of all this is that it turns 1 ratings into a sorta morgue.
mircea_popescu: "mp, you can't negrate him, we can't sell to him if you do" "fuck. i don't wanna 0 it either, it'll disappear from the lists" "well..." "fuuuuck"
diana_coman: hm; why does 0 disappear from the lists though?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, traditionally setting it to 0 is how you unset it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose, retrospectively, this is implementation of folly, there's no possible usecase for ACTUALLY ever unsetting a rating.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes, but not sure I see the point of "unset"; it's 0
diana_coman: tbh it sounds a bit like discovering that 0 "exists", lol.
mircea_popescu: this is so ; but for the sake of sanity im not gonna spec significant changes in the middle of implementing a differen tspec.
mircea_popescu: it's philosophically fraught, because as per
the spec a rating of 0 should convey that the rater deems he can answer NO questions about the ratee. in which case... why is it a rating.
mircea_popescu: of course, this could readily also bear the alternative interepretation of "there is nothing the rater WISHES TO SAY".
mircea_popescu: !!rate trinque 9 his lordship the master of the rolls.
mircea_popescu: !!rate lobbes 9 his lordship the lord of the auction house
mircea_popescu: there lolz, now you don't have to regret etcetera keks
mircea_popescu: it'll benefit the nooblets immensely if they seriously spend some time groking the "
turn" thing. there's a time for everything ; and for most things that time isn't NOW.
mircea_popescu: !!rate spyked 9 his lordship the lord crypto-alchemist
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: is there some eta/requirement on/for the castle-licensing thing? on my part I'm fine with it as stated.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 07:01:56 mircea_popescu: of course, this could readily also bear the alternative interepretation of "there is nothing the rater WISHES TO SAY".
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that people wish to say different things in different contexts.
mircea_popescu: the converse is folly, "oh, girl doesn't show her cunt". of course she does. just, maybe not to you.
diana_coman: hm; rather: 0 = there is history of interaction but there is nothing to say of the person currently (dead @ the morgue, precisely); onth no rating means no history whatsoever.
diana_coman: so yes, nothing the rater can/wishes to say of the current "person"; still, they can/wish to say something of the past-identity if one asks
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform scores on his choice of epithet. amir-al-bahr used to be "commander of the fleet", but the dwellers in the lower part of the kingdom of two sicilies (a byzantine remnant) thought it's rather something else.
diana_coman: heh, /me likes asciilifeform's dominus admirabilis
diana_coman: lol! that is probably among the easiest thing to prophesize, esp in land of shepherds
mircea_popescu: well... considering that i've been doing nothing all morning but fuck qwith cryptosystems, perhaps it could be said i've earned a breakfast.
bvt: mircea_popescu: i.e., in this context my rating remains +2, hence no self-voice in #trilema?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: isn't bvt lord verschlimmbessert?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I think this issue with self-voice vs lordship comes from #trilema being both republican halls (ie lords discussion) and your own training halls (hence nicoleci's problem to self-voice if only-9 can do it);
mircea_popescu: i suspect the issue was, didn't update his rating then because traveling or w/e, and look the havok it wrought downstream.
mircea_popescu: that'll be a doozy to translate to latin when he asks for his castle deed huh!
bvt: yes, this is what i was talking about, ty.
mircea_popescu: okies, did i fuck anything up ? since i'm right here at the instruments and can readily fix it.
diana_coman: I was just going/checking through the list and it seems everyone on the list got their 9 rating
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, that's it exactly, im also running a slutteria here among other things
diana_coman: for that matter, travel keys won't be able to self-voice but I don't see a real problem with that.
diana_coman: but no, I wouldn't ask to have my travel key 9-rated.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:17 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: mine is diana_alt
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:37:00 hanbot: !!key hanbot_abroad
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in wikilulz, "She had permanently got actively involved in the society through institutional, civic and mediatic journals regarding philosophy, political science and the process of democratization in Romania."
mircea_popescu: anyway, vaguely interesting orc couple. he (
adrian), minor philosophist wanna-be, writing twice a decade minuscule nothings ("what is not existence", 1994). she, mirela, doing ~exactly~ nothing. both born in the periphery, mid 50s, exactly another inginer-profesoara couple like so very many at the time.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, he's briefly director of the us influence publishing house, in 1990. then he disappears, with the purging of usgistanis in 1991.
mircea_popescu: e of Political Science in Romania at Faculty of Political Science, National School of Political Studies and Public Administration, Bucharest. She added in the university curricula courses like feminist philosophy at the University of Bucharest, Faculty of Philosophy. In 2001, she had coordinated and the first collection of Gender Studies, Polirom Publishing. Moreover, her involvement developed the Political Science Curricu
mircea_popescu: la in accordance to the Bologna Programme, being a member of the evaluation commission in 1997.
mircea_popescu: She founded the country's first gender studies Master's program in 1998, and helped to organize one of its earliest independent women's nongovernmental organizations: AnA –The Romanian Society for Feminist Analyses. She is an expert advisor to both UNESCO and the European Union, and has won international fellowships at Cornell University, Oxford University and the Central European University in Budapest. She was also a F
mircea_popescu: ulbright recipient and was resident in the Department of Political Science at Indiana University in 2003–2004. "
mircea_popescu: and so ongoing -- in case you were wondering why bologna is such lulz, or why feminism is
such a nothing, or so forth. all a concoction of convenience ; we enslaved all their good spies back in 1992, and well... all that's left is all that's left, a different flavour of
institutionalized womanhood /
mircea_popescu: went as far as it could, but as you might notice, dude's blog's as abandoned as this whole 2000s lulz.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 06:27:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yup, was the cap.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:23:44 mircea_popescu: damn, rating > 1. so 2 trhough 10 inclusive.
mircea_popescu: apparently there's need for a not-negative, nonzero number. 1 has been coopted.
mircea_popescu: in practical terms makes exactly 0 diff if you 1-rate or 2-rate noobs. plenty of space to 9.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck well are they gonna work. good spies believe in something.
mircea_popescu: the cult of superficial convenience is incapable of producing good spies much like it's incapable of producing artistic capodopera , or industry masterpieces.
mircea_popescu: what they produce is garbage -- and on a "fair terms" comparison, i truly do not believe anyone can outdo socialism's per-capita, per-unit time, per-unit consumed or per-anything else garbage production.
mircea_popescu: much like matter-antimatter reaction's the most intense energy debit known to nature, "representative democracy" is the most intense garbage debit possible in society.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's...spores, not spies?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the smallpox is necessary ; the orcs left undisturbed turn into fucking scotts.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 10:44:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, vaguely interesting orc couple. he (
adrian), minor philosophist wanna-be, writing twice a decade minuscule nothings ("what is not existence", 1994). she, mirela, doing ~exactly~ nothing. both born in the periphery, mid 50s, exactly another inginer-profesoara couple like so very many at the time.
mircea_popescu: moreover, functional technology (as epitomized by
Bitcoin) is definitionally, necessarily and unavoidably anti-socialist. so much so that reliably one can use the reverse heuristic : if something doesn't shit on the needy, doesn't it make it harder for the stupid and more expensive for the poor, that something is most likely shit, not technology
mircea_popescu: so yes, there's ~IMPLICIT~ policy in
intellectual stance : if you're smart, you're here ; if you're not here, you're ~THEREFORE~ dumb. and so following.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-04-02 11:49:48 jhvh1: Hello thorntron. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 14:59:46 mircea_popescu: so yes, there's ~IMPLICIT~ policy in
intellectual stance : if you're smart, you're here ; if you're not here, you're ~THEREFORE~ dumb. and so following.
diana_coman: well, apparetly he was connected from piz too, lol
diana_coman: asciilifeform: did the bot get out of sync now ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 17:01:14 asciilifeform: let's verify:
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 16:45:28 asciilifeform: let's verify:
diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I was keeping a bit mum precisely to give you time to sync bot when I saw it went down first; then ofc everyone @piz went down
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 15:54:49 diana_coman: well, syncing indices is gotta be automated not manual hunting though
diana_coman: looking in my local log, there was no talk in #o between snsabot out/in
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When was the event in question?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is there any clock drift on the machine that logged that?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo fwiw smg servers did not reset so certainly not overall mains outage
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will take a look and send a note.
diana_coman: on the other hand, since he's been apparently slaving away in web-shitstack & python for ages, he'll have a stab at the
multi network bridging thing; we'll see if he cuts or breaks his teeth on it
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:39:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha
chrises over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 16:46:54 asciilifeform: pretty interesting outage, too, net pipe gone for 3min or so (boxes still up, so not mains failure)
mircea_popescu: still could benefit from more reading. "hoi polloi" for instance is a syntagma with great english history.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 17:10:20 asciilifeform: diana_coman: yours is missing a line somewhere >day ago
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-25 10:05:45 mircea_popescu: it'll benefit the nooblets immensely if they seriously spend some time groking the "
turn" thing. there's a time for everything ; and for most things that time isn't NOW.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:01:23 asciilifeform: let's verify:
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 16:45:28 asciilifeform: let's verify:
lobbes: in general auto-sync would be nifty. but just like the manual method, would need to wait until "dead time" to prevent new lines appearing during the sync wouldn't it?
lobbes: or perhaps I'm missing something
lobbes: ah okay. that makes sense
lobbes: hmm this makes me rethink my current design re: mp-wp bot as well. As it stands, there is no way to "re-sync" since it just spits the lines into a blog post.
lobbes: yeah, I'll guess I'll let the man speak to if he wants sync capabilities in the mp-wp-tronic branch
lobbes: indeed. Would just be a buncha "update" statements that fill in the proper lines. As it currently is designed, I have it spitting lines into a flat file first, and that file is used to update the "current day's log" post as new lines are seen
lobbes: in theory, could index the lines in that file, so as to preserve ordering, as well as keep more than one file (currently, this one file is overwritten on each new day)
lobbes: but idk, perhaps this is more complex than MP wants it to be