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asciilifeform stopped by another 'embassy expo', this time europistan. estonia pitched its 'startup incubator' scamolas. latvia had a d00d on a podium bragging about 'russian stooges cannot steal ~our~ election, won't even try any moar, we can see right through their lies, dunno why usa couldnt' etc . romania handed out samples of cheese, which tasted like cardboard, i did not taste anything in actual romania that resembled this rubbish. gre
asciilifeform: the ro people have 1 thing tho : the afaik single biggest shortwave antenna in the whole city. ( pictured e.g. here )
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in outer barrio properties for the entertainment of billymg et al https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-462251834-oportunidad-casa-quinta-en-venta-por-viaje-65ha-_JM ☟︎
asciilifeform: *greece -- passed out cups of rotgut.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i still dunget why interesting, they cost ~= as in ameristan
asciilifeform: it's exactly reminiscent of mircea_popescu's argentines
asciilifeform: 'for sale : 3 bricks from a conquistador fort that burned down in 1500s. 200k usd.' etc
BingoBoingo: 6 hectares, big concrete fortress, comes in well under equivalent back in old country
asciilifeform: 320 sq. m. indoors tho.
asciilifeform: i think mp's shed in ro was bigger.
BingoBoingo: 320 sqm is just under 3500 square feet
BingoBoingo: ~2 or 3 US ranch houses
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or about 1.5 new york subway cars. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Still 145 kilodollars back in the midwest buys about half the square footage on 1/12th to 1/24th the lot
asciilifeform believes
BingoBoingo: It's the sorta thing you show the US pyramid schemers
asciilifeform: the chatter of the 'precious cuntlets' at the expo was 'interesting' -- 'which law school are you at?' '..something..' 'ugh! i hear it's fulla republicans!' etc ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'got job at xyz policymaking(tm)(r) institute! it's great, went to vietnam last month and next month to...'
asciilifeform: 'we lobby against tobacco'
BingoBoingo: If only they were born here they could wear unicef t-shirts and scam the locals
asciilifeform: in estonian embassy : old ameri-d00d was bragging to ambassador, 'i was the first sent to set up cia station in your capital !'
asciilifeform: book case fulla 'atrocities of communism' etc
asciilifeform: ( likbez : the 'sprat men' had highest standard of living in entire sovok. today -- lowest in eureich, 50-60% of male population cleaning toilets in berlin, london ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: poster : 'estonia spent 2.6% of gdp on war materiel; 0.6 higher than nato's mandatory min!'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's prolly a snakepit fulla these folx somewhere in montevideo
asciilifeform: 1, in restaurant, bragged : 'i set up the 'peace corps' english teaching corner in tbilisi'
BingoBoingo: There's the Alianza Cultural EEUU on Paraguay
BingoBoingo: Lowest bidder in the City for English lessons
asciilifeform: poster : 'come to estonia, where we legalized self-driving cars!'
BingoBoingo: From time to time national interest groups will set up exhibitions at the Intendencia
BingoBoingo: Chinese seem to be building a fishing base on the outskirts of the city
BingoBoingo: There's just not much money for the snakes to make a pit for
BingoBoingo: That was a hell of a netsplit
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-11#1912532 << very likely to get from this period, seeing a3+ socket is contemporaneous ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-11 22:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-11#1912516 << there's used mobos and then there's used mobos. e.g. '99-07 -- the infamous 'capacitor plague', if you get from this period, expect to do some restoration work .
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, sounds very latin america, tbh. years ago they "discussed the soviet union" while not properly shoveling cow dung. but they had opinions and considered considerations.
mp_en_viaje: now they're commenting netflix, while not properly shoveling cow dung.
mp_en_viaje: in another thousand years, the latinos will be living in the exact same stable, discussing importantly whatever happens then, the aliens.
BingoBoingo: When alf was here the Intendencia either had or was prepping for a Russia exhibition ☟︎
BingoBoingo: But yes. Latin America endures through shared meaning.
BingoBoingo: Life is cheaper in Asia, Costs more in LATAM because no one shoveled
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not only that period. i have strong suspicion that 'capacitor plague' never trooly ended, or will ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: no plague ever truly ends. so yeah.
asciilifeform: good % of the electrolytics on the shelf even today, won't give anywhere like decade of life
asciilifeform: this is why if one runs vintage gear, really must have basic kindergarten solder-fu, or have friends who do.
asciilifeform: ( for comparison: sovok electrolytics still goin' strong worldwide. and prolly will for next century. )
mp_en_viaje: i have multiple period boards that have been working fine. from experience, no vid card = no problem.
asciilifeform: it also helps if board was cleverly designed , such as to put'em reasonably far from the 200 (400, in one of mine.. 2x) watt of cpu
asciilifeform: the chinese (fraudulently stamped 'taiyo yuden') caps, rot even when switched off.
mp_en_viaje: the fx 9k series are ~210. the 8k are just 125, it's not so terrible.
asciilifeform: with decent airflow - yea
mp_en_viaje: yea.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912579 << i recall this, poster even had marx an' lenin on it, to draw orcs ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 03:18 BingoBoingo: When alf was here the Intendencia either had or was prepping for a Russia exhibition
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uy_sovok_1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uy_sovok_2.jpg << subj .
asciilifeform: iirc there were others also, with variations on theme.
BingoBoingo: AHA
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912553 << don't be silly, r160 is 18x3, 50sqm or so. about six-seven of those (outside dimensions) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 00:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or about 1.5 new york subway cars.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno if you realise this, but that floor metrage has to also be cleaned, maintained etc. you can count about 100sqm / 1k sqft per slavegirl, 320sqm will be dificult for just two women to keep up with.
mp_en_viaje: traditional sovok 4-room large fambly hruscheba "first comfort" was iirc about 80 sqm.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile ny is chock full of 250 sq ft apts, and that dun mean rent has to be under 1k/mo
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: robovac sweeps 100 m^2 / hr or so.
mp_en_viaje: keks.
mp_en_viaje: mkay
asciilifeform: year aint 1700 nomoar, 'clean' dun have to mean 'chix on knees with tongue an' toothbrush'
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912557 << ro also fulla law school precious cuntlets nowadays. in fact, it seems the principal change ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 00:39 asciilifeform: the chatter of the 'precious cuntlets' at the expo was 'interesting' -- 'which law school are you at?' '..something..' 'ugh! i hear it's fulla republicans!' etc
mp_en_viaje: pretty much the same idle derpage, "policymaking", "lobby", "we went to vietnam"... erryone's an eu bureaucrat nowadays.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> i dunno if you realise this, but that floor metrage has to also be cleaned, maintained etc. you can count about 100sqm / 1k sqft per slavegirl, 320sqm will be dificult for just two women to keep up with. << And the acreage will need quite a few alpacas, goats, and geese to mow
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nah, robomow mows 1 hectare/hour. just ask alf the theorydog.
asciilifeform: why even mow. what, gotta play football on it ?
mp_en_viaje: you'll be cited by the city for neglect
BingoBoingo: It's a Quinta, why the fuck is the nitrogen the grass ate going to get wasted
asciilifeform: keep jungle off walls is enuff in same jurisdictions.
mp_en_viaje: sometimes i think you never actually owned real estate anywhere. this is how this works : in all places where mowing costs x, the city will fine you x * q if you don't.
asciilifeform: over here indeed fine by city etc
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Linked property actually "city" even if barely.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yes and it's reason # 9000 why asciilifeform wants out
mp_en_viaje: you'll still have to do SOME maintenance on your property.
asciilifeform: to keep walls standing - yes
mp_en_viaje: there's no out in the absolute sense (except of course yest helmet, i guess)
asciilifeform: meaningful maintenance , have no prob with
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why even mow. what, gotta play football on it ? << Insect control
mp_en_viaje: yes, well, maintenance scales with size in all cases. and especially if meaningful.
asciilifeform: 'paint wall shade #3 of blue cuz usg commissar proclaims ' - ugh
mp_en_viaje: even if "i make orchard" -- either you cut the trees, clean them and generally support them, or you end up with a mess. a hectare is easily 2-3k trees, a tree is easily 20-30 hours a year, do the math.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, even in orchard, grass still has to be cut. at least 3 times a year.
mp_en_viaje: and so on.
asciilifeform: 3x is approx how often i cut it here lol
BingoBoingo: Even pasture *needs* grazed.
mp_en_viaje: yup. and then the cows need milking. or else cow mastitis, and dead cows, and flies.
asciilifeform: and i suppose reactor also needs care or meltdown
mp_en_viaje: quite.
BingoBoingo: And if the grazers don't get moved in a healthy rotation pasture goes desert as in all of the old world
asciilifeform presently w/out cow, and, believe or not, w/out own reactor
mp_en_viaje: so then why scoff at 3500 sqft
asciilifeform: strictly b/c price
asciilifeform: would expect , in orcistan, a small town, for 200k
asciilifeform: complete with serfs.
mp_en_viaje: 6 hectares = 60`000 square meters, ~650`000 square feet. cents to the sqft, you object to ? whai ?
asciilifeform: was re indoor sq m
BingoBoingo: 200k in my barrio gets recent 1 bedroom or problem 2 bedroom, some interesting "horizantal" properties. Never more than 75 sqmeters on list (though nothing sells for list)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you can have the small town, complete with serfs, and won't cost all of 200k either. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911973 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 17:26 mp_en_viaje: as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs.
mp_en_viaje: however, you can't have the house. that costs actual money. it's by utility, see ?
mp_en_viaje: nobody wants the serfs now, like nobody wanted the blacks in 1819. like nobody wanted the gypsies in ro at the same time.
asciilifeform: at any rate i'ma let the folx who actually have 200k, think about whether good deal, for asciilifeform sadly academic q entirely.
mp_en_viaje: cost more to feed than their inept efforts bring etc.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> however, you can't have the house. that costs actual money. it's by utility, see ? << Other odd marginal benefit of particular linked example. Rare Quinta with fiber.
asciilifeform: and yea can readily see mp_en_viaje's pt re the serfs
mp_en_viaje: the whole schtick re slaves is that ~selected~.
mp_en_viaje: bulk slaves are a burden.
asciilifeform: лесоповал , really not good for much else
BingoBoingo: Anyways in other examples: https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-461759843-casa-quinta-en-venta-melilla-2-dormitorios-financia-_JM << "protegido por la DINAMA" means "Fuck you, worthless" and https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-462960529-en-melilla-_JM << All of these apple trees need replaced with something marketable
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's wrong with apple trees ?
mp_en_viaje: (this is a major kek for me whenever among "bdsm people". all sorta incels who explain it to themselves not as strict incapacity, but as selectivity, "i can't find a woman because i want a SLAVE not just a gf". hurr durr. then they figure i have two, and this means twice more than one, and hm... this local guy doing the local flabour of nursing precious cuntlets services has one... so that's half". no, i ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 14:51 mircea_popescu: the work - and it IS work - involved in the average encounter known as a "hook up" or "one night stand" is a lot closer to nursing an elderly stupid patient than to fucking.
mp_en_viaje: t's not fucking half -- exactly in the sense buying one lottery ticket doesn't give you half of the tickets held by the guy holding WINNING lottery tickets)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The cultivar in that case. "Pink Lady" doesn't sell here.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i'd have expected it's for export anyway.
asciilifeform: or to distill rotgut
BingoBoingo: Possible. "Gala" cultivars have made it here though which means anything else is a niche.
BingoBoingo: Because the mass market is dumb
BingoBoingo: There's also Quintas with 5 hectares of eucalyptus which means defending and energy store from theft.
BingoBoingo: Because everyone in this country is camping means firewood is the local energy resource
BingoBoingo: Smog isn't as bad as it was earlier tonight, but it still smells like a coughdrop bondfire outside
mp_en_viaje: eucalyptus is actually terribru firewood
BingoBoingo: It is and yet, for some awful reason in 1989 they started a program of planting forests of the stuff to have a domestic fuel reserve
BingoBoingo: I have yet to learn the word for chimneysweep in Spanish, but I'm pretty sure I haven't seen ads for any
mp_en_viaje: high resin, and some of the hoghest quality resin in the world. i don't think they can be swept manually. need a drezine.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, dunno why they didn't just go for pine.
BingoBoingo: Any pine really
BingoBoingo: But... a million little creosote distilleries...
BingoBoingo: Or depositories
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912563 << but there's the smartphones. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 00:45 asciilifeform: ( likbez : the 'sprat men' had highest standard of living in entire sovok. today -- lowest in eureich, 50-60% of male population cleaning toilets in berlin, london )
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, can you do me a solid and fish out the lafond piece where he explains how white dorks think, "black man asking for the time hasn't done any overt aggressive act, therefore can't crack him one" ?
BingoBoingo: One minute
BingoBoingo: https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10996 https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4309 https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4927 https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10139
BingoBoingo: I've got some options, could swear I remember a better piece from lafond on the subject
mp_en_viaje: was it maybe tlp ?!
BingoBoingo: I swear I remember him elaborating in a story about this point, but Lafond does the insane thing where when he makes enough stories to do a book, he frequently purges the text from his site because it has been booked, ☟︎
BingoBoingo: insane approach
BingoBoingo: But https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4309 seems to be the canon explainer
BingoBoingo: http://jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10996 also close to what I remember, but not quite
mp_en_viaje: now that is one stupid fucking habit
BingoBoingo: It is. Was hard to tell it was one he engaged in because the site is so disorganized, yet here we are.
mp_en_viaje: the irony of it all being that i ask people for the time ALL THE GOD DAMNED TIME
BingoBoingo: Well, you are a person who needs the time.
BingoBoingo: Before I understood the awful pichi accents (accent clarity degrades rapidly with declining social position here) I answered all the bum requests with "Ya tengo" whether I have the item in question or not. Got the time "Ya tengo", Want Maracoña "Ya tengo", Una Moneda para comer algo "Ya tengo", etc. Don't stop scowl and eventually the pool of potential new bums runs out.
mp_en_viaje: keks
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/ << Trilema -- Diviziuna sexual-a muncii : fetele la gym, io la vidya. ? Tot acolo!
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Small town problems.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/#selection-227.160-231.236 << The coins here are steel which means the way to excite a bored latina is put the heavy 10 peso coins in the freezer to chill.
mp_en_viaje: haha
mp_en_viaje: loose coins and chill ?
BingoBoingo: Well, an escalation from the tickle fights
BingoBoingo: Slot a cold one in the crack
BingoBoingo: There is a 50 peso coin made of a sort of bronze of similar size, but... The steel 10 peso coin has more mass
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912683 << asciilifeform was dumb enuff to buy a couple of these. opened, 'fuck, this is same material as in blog!' they're propping up monitors nao. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 07:43 BingoBoingo: I swear I remember him elaborating in a story about this point, but Lafond does the insane thing where when he makes enough stories to do a book, he frequently purges the text from his site because it has been booked,
feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/05/unrolled-assembly-comba/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Comba for Ch. 11 FFA
mp_en_viaje put the girls to weeding garden.
mp_en_viaje: i can say it is a lotta fun.
asciilifeform: lol, portable en_viaje garden ?
asciilifeform: ( ... or was this the 'partidul mp' hq thing..? )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, dood, bvt's optimizations are actually pretty sweet
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, i got a house, i thas a garden.
asciilifeform: neato
mp_en_viaje: it's not big or anything, just some rose bushes
mp_en_viaje: and you know... weeding. doesn't look like much, esp not to town girl, till she gets to do it.
mp_en_viaje: suddenly...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bvt's asmism is correct near as i can tell ( i have not walked with magnifying glass. ) the 1 gotcha is that the actual win from'em aint measurable until bolt'em onto ch14b+ ( where knuth's division is no longer the bulk of the cpu load )
asciilifeform: in < 14 , it'll ( and iirc he confirmed experimentally ) be just scarcely palpable diff.
mp_en_viaje: he also says so himself.
asciilifeform: aha iirc in last ch, said, with exact figure.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, nah, he cuts ~70% of runtime
mp_en_viaje: 5.9 > ~2
asciilifeform: from multiplication per se aha
asciilifeform: at any rate it's great, bvt did already 60-70% of what asciilifeform thought he would have to do himself after errything else
asciilifeform: i fully expect that the asmistic branch of ffa will be sewn out of bvt's item
mp_en_viaje: very nice.
bvt: hi. the exact cut will depend on what % of ops in barret are mults
lobbesbot: bvt: Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, and 14 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> ty for digging up the 1801 materials; dun suppose you could get the author in here ?
mp_en_viaje: afaik >haldf
asciilifeform: bvt: iirc 80+% by wallclock
bvt: then, perf increase should be substantial
asciilifeform: there's no reason not to bake similar asmisms for e.g. add/sub/neg, shifts, etc. tho.
asciilifeform: then can have 'speed demon' branch of the thing.
mp_en_viaje: bvt, i expect, yes. he's convinced otherwisw fo rsome reason.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in wtf, "Beware verbal commands against groups or larger individuals if they are ebons. Unless you look like some big beast like Tony Cox or are some easy going white negro like Big Ron who has that easy grace that telegraphs ass-kicking proclivities—in other words if you are a normal range man—a command to hoodrats in the hood can get you all the respect that Chinese Gordon got at Khartoum from the Mahdi." (lafond)
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck, SIX fuckingreferences, i don't have any single one of them. wtf is a tony cox. what mahdi.
bvt: asciilifeform: depends on whether there will be a usecase for such item, but in any case shifts/adds should be simpler than comba
mp_en_viaje: if you/re gonna use the high culture style, at least have the fucking decency to have read the high culture books. wtf, can't do this reference-reference bullshit on nobodies from the colonies.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pre-barrett ffa , when rsaing, spends most of wallclock time in fz_mod , is all. which dun multiply. in 14+ , i fully expect 2-3x boost from asmism (possibly higher, with massage w/ magnifying glass for pipelineism etc )
mp_en_viaje: not that he doesn't have a point, when dealing with morons gotta telegrap to the lizzardbrain. i don't speak to them either, just hands.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so basically you're saying, for chapter 14 and that alone, it won't help ? but pre-14 and after 14, will ?
asciilifeform: mno
asciilifeform: pre-barrett -- small effect. with barrett -- substantial.
mp_en_viaje: oh, you meant it's there, it just can't be measured ?
mp_en_viaje: um. he already is showing major effect ?
bvt: only on mult, not on modexp
asciilifeform: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/05/unrolled-assembly-comba/#selection-93.193-97.1
asciilifeform: aha
mp_en_viaje: right.
asciilifeform: so errything as expected.
mp_en_viaje: aite
asciilifeform: i expect in the end , say <100msec 4096bit modexp, will be achievable on typical irons
asciilifeform: ( note that asciilifeform's 'standard tester' box, where currently, sans any asmisms, ~1.7 s for same, is 3-4x slower than 'typical irons' of recent years )
mp_en_viaje: that are just about fatwah'd anyways.
asciilifeform: imho you defo wouldn't want to ffa on a post-2013 amd, or any intels etc aha
asciilifeform: there's still plenty of usable irons faster than asciilifeform's tho.
asciilifeform: even mp_en_viaje's 'fx' i suspect.
mp_en_viaje: what is the box ?
asciilifeform: 2393SE , 3.1ghz
asciilifeform: 512kB cache.
asciilifeform: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Third%20Generation%20Opteron%202393%20SE%20-%20OS2393YCP4DGI.html
mp_en_viaje: ah. yeah.
asciilifeform: these won't win any speed records, but i like'em, they go years b/w downtimes no prob ( i take'em down strictly to clean fans )
asciilifeform: ecc ram etc.
asciilifeform: speed of ram, interestingly, has ~0 effect on ffa timing, given as the working set ~always fits in cache
asciilifeform: in the parlance of seymor cray et al, ffa is 'cpu-bound problem'
mp_en_viaje: aha.
asciilifeform: ( and really, as observed by mp_en_viaje in prev. thrd, 'bus width bound' )
asciilifeform: this is trivially verifiable experimentally : build for 32bit ( 'MachineBitness' in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch18/iron__ads.htm ) and get ~exactly 2x slower.
bvt: this would actually be interesting for x60 machine owners as well. the register pressure would also increase on i386
asciilifeform: bvt: with straight (no asmisms) 64bit ffa, i found ~exactly 2x slower on x60 than on the 2393
asciilifeform: fwiw
asciilifeform: ( x60 , at least the 1 in my collection, is an early 64bit intel 'T2400' )
asciilifeform: 1 of the last, if not ~the~ last, intel chipsets w/out the 'me' boobytrap
mp_en_viaje: ~exactly is a great item on its own.
asciilifeform: lol
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in "shit, i forgot this article even existed", http://trilema.com/2014/the-fallacy-machine/#selection-141.0-141.788
asciilifeform: x60 is sadly rare nao, but the rubbish box i sent to spyked has same chipset, he can say later if confirms this benchmark.
asciilifeform: ( 'toy' lappy , approx. size of vhs tape )
asciilifeform: btw spyked , outta curiosity, didja have to pay eurotax on that thing ? how much ? ☟︎
bvt: hm. i have the same, but T2400 is 64bit in 'PAE' sense, not in register width sense.
asciilifeform: bvt: i'ma have to boot mine up an' see , then, cuz it's defo running a 64bit errything.
bvt: please check, because all docks pointed into '32bit only' direction - perhaps it was disinfo.
asciilifeform blows dust off x60...
asciilifeform: brb
asciilifeform: aah there it is :
asciilifeform: t7200 @ 2.00Ghz ; 4096kB cache
asciilifeform: and yes running in longmode
asciilifeform: i.e. 1 of their 1st amd64 clones
bvt: right, t2400 is 32bit, t7200 is later generation - 64bit
asciilifeform: iirc we had a thrd about this at one pt. x60 apparently came in at least 3 variants
asciilifeform: the 1 i have , is this.
bvt: at the time i was getting mine - only w. T2400 and iirc slower cpu were available
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421281 << orig. , i think, thrd re this specimen ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 20:46 asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601544 << subj of above. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-11 18:50 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/x60_diddled.bin
asciilifeform: ( aaalso subj of the infamous 'rms laptop' thrd. )
asciilifeform: at one time i had 'x61' also, but pronounced it sad and sent it to, iirc, gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: who sold it to feed his dope habit
bvt: is it that much more stable with lenovo bios? i had it overheat with both orig. and coreboot variants, so stayed with coreboot
asciilifeform: bvt: i had it overheat ~immediately when put under load with the 'rms coreboot', so went back to vendor's ( with above patch, or can't use civilized nic in it )
asciilifeform: with vendor's, never once overheated, under any load
asciilifeform: cuz it has working fan control.
bvt: it has an annoing problem of producing high-pitched noise when running with ext. input devices or wlan on, but overheat happends only after ~45 min of compiling, which i don't do any more.
asciilifeform: iirc it is possible , with the sad coreboot, to peg fan to run at 100% forever. but then you have not a lappy but an 'air cleaner' ..
asciilifeform: bvt: sounds like you have a dud inductor, rather than overheat
asciilifeform: mine fwiw happily runs for week+ (never had occasion to longer) under 100% cpu, and no issues
asciilifeform: then again i do clean these things yearly.
bvt: could be, i never got to disassemble and check the board after changing wlan card.
asciilifeform: when buying vintage lappies, dun fughet to scrub inside, and (if can get) replace fan.
asciilifeform: some folx dun clean, result is 'petrol station toilet' inside of lappy.
asciilifeform: use lint-free tampons on stick, the same kind as for rifles
asciilifeform: 1st with medical alcohol , then dry.
asciilifeform: re-grease (alumina, not silicone, greases), tighten.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf sig in http://bvt-trace.net/2019/05/unrolled-assembly-comba/ ( and diana_coman 's earlier ) at your earliest , into btcbase, ty
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
bvt: the kind of cloth used for lens cleaning works as well?
asciilifeform: bvt: in principle oughta
asciilifeform brb:meat
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure it's exact same thing, material wise.
asciilifeform: 'microfiber' aha
asciilifeform has witnessed chinese 'microfibers' that still managed to leave crapola behind, however
asciilifeform: re lappies : recently someone wrote to asciilifeform re an rk lappy supposedly in pre-production .
asciilifeform: will have to see, to believe ( same people coupla yrs ago sold a 'kit-assemble' arm lappy, but was legendarily shoddy )
asciilifeform: this 1 claims rk3399 (same as in ye olde c101pa thing and various chinese boards)
asciilifeform: nao if had fully working arm gnat also...
asciilifeform: !#seen ave1
a111: 2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites.
bvt: asciilifeform: rk3399 is a bit trickier in usage than rk3328 of pizarro rockchip -- big.little arch, so scheduling and power management have to come from rockchip kernel tree, not vanilla.
asciilifeform: bvt: my 3328 boxes run off rk's branch to begin with
asciilifeform: 'vanilla' never worked afaik.
asciilifeform: nao this ~may~ have changed some time in past yr, but i am loathe to bake new kernels when i have a working one.
asciilifeform: ( and in fact would rather leave 'repentant linus'-era kernels entirely alone, if it can be helped, and if cannot , would prefer to pilfer patches an' backport intelligently to old kernel , if it comes to this ) ☟︎
bvt: iirc changed, but too recently to even consider a switch anyways
asciilifeform: as a rule asciilifeform does not 'fix if it works'
bvt: it is not clear to me if big.little ever worked acceptably with linux -- they are tuning even today
asciilifeform: iirc phf built a working c101 kernel (i.e. 3399)
asciilifeform: but not yet posted recipe
asciilifeform digs for thread, but cannot immediately find
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether all the periphs worked
asciilifeform: porting linux to oddball irons does sometimes feel like 'writing in the sand' -- you sweat, then the thing goes out of print and 'ocean washes away'
bvt: i have a http://archive.is/EUW9n item at home, with kernel from some arm64 distro and pizarro rockchip rootfs, but i never got time properly setup this device (plan was, run trb node)
asciilifeform: i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it ☟︎
asciilifeform: bvt: you'd have to connect a real disk to have a useful trb, but otherwise i can't see why not
asciilifeform: btw bvt the archive link is a blang pg
asciilifeform: *blank
bvt: i have an m.2 nvme ssd there, but the hw setup is convoluted enough to recommend bying *some other* board for these purposes
asciilifeform: i recall this board, tho, rather costly imho for what's on it
asciilifeform: ( beyond this, cannot comment, i do not have one. and i dun much like soldered-on-wifi boards, tbh )
bvt: (chinese messed with m.2 port wiring, need to buy strange adapter board to bring it to sanity)
asciilifeform: this btw was the dealkiller for asciilifeform re the 1 and only recent mips board on the market -- it had non-removable wifi
asciilifeform: 'ci20'. i picked one up in iirc 2015, it gathers dust
asciilifeform: wtf is with the ubiquitous plague of non-expandable ram, incidentally
asciilifeform: really, save 5 cents on dimm socket ?
asciilifeform: and result is ~useless board, no canhaz trb in 1GB
asciilifeform: it's almost like these things are carefully designed to be unusable for any serious job
bvt: well, those are devboards, i don't think anyone sells them as a serious item. but amateurs - buy
asciilifeform: there's nuffin physically impossible about baking an arm (or mips etc) board that eats socketed ecc ram. but there seems to be a de-facto usg fatwa against'em, or sumthing
asciilifeform: bvt: where are the 'non-dev' boards, then ?
asciilifeform: normally 'dev board' means, you can prototype, yes. ok, done prototype, where can have production ?? ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912831 << aye verily. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 19:09 asciilifeform: ( and in fact would rather leave 'repentant linus'-era kernels entirely alone, if it can be helped, and if cannot , would prefer to pilfer patches an' backport intelligently to old kernel , if it comes to this )
bvt: to my understanding you design them yourself; devboards are just for testing the cpu/chipset
asciilifeform: bvt: aahahaha but then try an' source the chip.
asciilifeform: it aint stocked anywhere, last i saw.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'digikey' stocks even i386. but not that mips. (or any other mips, aside from early 2000s microcontrollers like 'pic32' )
bvt: yes, but nevertheless the boards with these chips appear every day. perhaps need to show inca earplugs of some minimum size to get them?
bvt: (talking about rk3399 here)
asciilifeform: bvt: naturally, to inca it's all gettable.
asciilifeform: to folx with serious chinese presence, prolly also gettable.
asciilifeform: we had iirc entire thread about this, 'chinese problem'. parts that only ever get mounted in china, tend to not get exported 'naked' at all
asciilifeform: which makes building prototype board quite tricky if you aint already chinese
asciilifeform: ( before mp_en_viaje asks -- it sadly aint practical to take a unit off an existing board and reuse. they're all bga . )
asciilifeform: the moar significant problem tho is that it aint clear whether 'the game is worth the candles', for xyz chinese part. and to answer the q, takes considerable effort and expense, cuz the demo boards are ridiculously crippled.
asciilifeform: the chinese are comically inept imho, to the point that it aint clear whether they even want to live.
asciilifeform: ( where the fuck, for instance, is their http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909567 ?? ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:09 asciilifeform: incidentally, even a very brief look at the 1801 item confirms the troof of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 -- thing defo aint a 'and here is where the ameri-crystal does x' , it's a quite 'fits-in-head' object , very evidently produced from page-long spec of the orig instruction set
asciilifeform brb:teatime
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912841 << pretty sure i still have some. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 19:14 asciilifeform: i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912858 << keks. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 19:24 asciilifeform: normally 'dev board' means, you can prototype, yes. ok, done prototype, where can have production ??
mp_en_viaje: you don't understand technology, do you. it's like policymaking, what production.
asciilifeform: given as the cn folx actually do ship irons, asciilifeform had notion that they differ from 'precious cuntlets of washingtonistan'. but evidently not ~so~ different .
asciilifeform: evidently it is possible to have cargo cult with working (in a sense) planes.
BingoBoingo: So today there was a big futbol game between the two big teams. Game hyped up as "Campeon de Siglio"... The game ended in a 1-1 tie
mp_en_viaje: typical.
BingoBoingo: Stadium restrooms were destroyed, but no biogoop was harmed this time.
BingoBoingo: All of this energy for the most boring sport, no energy for anything else
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/uk-met-police-document-on-internal-investigation-into-organized-crime-ownership-of-their-force/ << Qntra -- UK: Met Police Document On Internal Investigation Into Organized Crime Ownership Of Their Force