shinohai: fluffypony was guest speaker and got monero to sponsor the hot pockets for lunch
mircea_popescu: why blame! did you know blaming uses 79 muscles whereas hitting someone over the head only uses 21 ?
shinohai: With a V-genesis and all asciilifeform ... impressive stuff
mircea_popescu: very apt observation re the value of bitcoin as forever-time-anchor btw.
mircea_popescu: you know, quantum mechanics is "old hat" in the sense that well... it was there since forever.
mircea_popescu: "To make use of such a key, the owner hashes the payload being signed, and for each bit that is equal to 0 in the resulting hash, reveals the original pre-hash string from column A, whereas if it is equal to 1 he reveals a pre-hash string from column B." << this is the RIGHT THING.
mircea_popescu: do you have a check that A and B count is at least payload bytes ?
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, cool!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it might interest you that your blog sent out 0 pingbacks
mircea_popescu: ah. it is a public disservice though, people reading through eg, one of the trilema pieces you linked, might wish to know that there's something on loper related to the discussion.
mircea_popescu: anyway, wouldn't it be nice if /patches/ includes a list of all heads ?
mircea_popescu: it is quickly becoming apparent that the one strategic material of the coming war shall be random bits.
ben_vulpes: i'll keep reading this until my illness subsides and frees my brain
shinohai: ./lamport_mkpriv.sh 256 512 > privkey.txt #Go make tea and smoke
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 02:18 mod6: asciilifefor some good news (your seal verifies with your genesis vpatch), and some bad news (your genesis vpatch contains timestamps):
http://dpaste.com/2TCT5ND.txt mod6: no prob. just thought i'd report.
shinohai:
http://archive.is/516O8 "Go and Rust are compelling, safe languages for writing the type of systems software that has traditionally been written in C."
shinohai: Eat your heart out, covertress.
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> just horizontal . << The decadent life of a Saint!
BingoBoingo: Only sins when taken to excess. Otherwise merely instincts.
mod6: phf: you may want to add the 'makefiles.vpatch' to your patch thingy.
BingoBoingo: Quite the cliffhanger on South Park. Will the Cartman vaginaballs plot be resolved!
mircea_popescu has been reading up on robert mccormick. interesting fellow.
mircea_popescu: well, not a great fan of roosevelt, at any rate. nor muchly loved by the "comedians" of his era.
mircea_popescu: well... who's to know. twit nearly avoided himself, if you recall that incident when escort subs nearly sunk his boat.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that the replacement cockroach was also a cockroach.
mircea_popescu: of fucking course, what'd you expect, flying pixie squirrels ?
mircea_popescu: well... truman vs roosevelt does fit a weevil vs cockroach sort of profile, to my eye
mircea_popescu: well no, at least that's an actual thing. as opposed to theoretical pieces badly written by idiots.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-27 16:39 mircea_popescu: this doesn't matter so much, future cryptosystem will be made on the basis of rng ; rng can work with pubkey as entropy source.
adlai brushes up on his unix utils, trying to cram alf's lampochute into his head
mircea_popescu: adlai it's an assumption of the nature of "whatever engine may in the future be devised, 1) it will run on fuel, and 2) that fuel will be derivable from gasoline".
adlai: ok, but i still don't understand the rest of that line.
adlai: it should be ~unique each time you run the rng, but if your 'entropy' source is a piece of data (public key), doesn't your rng turn into a p-rng?
mircea_popescu: the quality of the fuel is not involved in the discussion of fuel. this sort of separation of concerns is what alf correctly points out constitutes all science.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, i did say pubkey where i should have said privkey for sanity. the problem is that in the scenario discussed there's no difference.)
☟︎ deedbot: dharkmadder voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: dharkmadder voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: 354F203FB6BDFCFCE74B54ADA0FB5A05C9774581 registered as dharkmadder.
mircea_popescu: adlai for the record it's not exactly "security theatre". a large list of ingredients goes into what exactly makes me disdain X item ; that's definitely one of them.
mircea_popescu: what random idiots self report is entirely uninteresting, you know ?
shinohai: (warning, lot's of I couldn't break Bitcoin butthurt in there)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 13:25 mircea_popescu: (but yes, i did say pubkey where i should have said privkey for sanity. the problem is that in the scenario discussed there's no difference.)
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 14:58 asciilifeform: 'Boneh, in joint work with Matt Franklin, constructed a novel pairing-based method for identity-based encryption (IBE), whereby a user's public identity, such as an email address, can function as the user's public key. Since then, Boneh's contributions, together with those of others, have shown the power and versatility of pairings, which are now used as a mainstream tool in cryptography. The transfer of pairings from theory t
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scriba: Logged on 2016-09-29: [14:48:10] <shinohai> (warning, lot's of I couldn't break Bitcoin butthurt in there)
mircea_popescu: Elliot Maras has reported on the payments industry and financial services for trade publications and websites for several years. He is based in Cleveland, Ohio. << for the shitlist.
mircea_popescu: derps are now reduced to mfa websites filled by ohioan fiverr copywriters ffs.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-29: [14:55:26] <asciilifeform> (in actuality, in 'identity-based' crypto, folks actually encipher to a pubkey that is produced by F(Pc, X) where Pc is the chump's email addr and X is a public key of the great inca; chump (email addr holder) can decipher with his Pk_c private key, and so can the inca.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how on every single iteration, at every level, in every novel context and at each turn the socialist empire meets in the field the same very nude declaration of nature that "you may not exist, vermin". EVERY time.
mircea_popescu: never gives up, tries again, "revolution", "progress", it's the lulz of all time. to think all this running away, running in circles, chasing of tail etc is simply the devil trying to somehow, hopefully, beyond all hope escape the fact that there really isn't any room for it here.
mircea_popescu: like a strange sort of animated snowball in hell, sizzling like butter on the hot stove every which way.
mircea_popescu: (in this particular case, it's a case of "according to the empire worldview, the correct crypto would be based on creating privkeys out of public strings, with a dab of emperor's own pubes" "this may not exist ; here's the proof")
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-29: [15:14:05] <asciilifeform> and holy FUCK, the sheer depth of retardation,
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck ELSE is snakeoil but "stupid shit that behaves as advertised and yet is not useful for any usecase"
mircea_popescu: no, seriously, i should like to see a case of historical snake oil that DIDN'T fit that bill. all the way to wja bailey's "radium is restoring health to thousands" radithor
mircea_popescu: (in case anyone thought "let's add fluoride to water" is some sort of novel insanity : as american as apple pie. this schmuck added radium for the EXACT same purpose - it'll strengthen your teeth, cure gout and female anoyingness.)
mircea_popescu: "fluoridated water worked fine until his jaw came off" for great lulzstice.
shinohai: escalade privileges? I've always wanted a Caddy SUV
mircea_popescu: well sure. on the other hand, sh is also less used. for all you know it has three shellshocks.
mircea_popescu would like to convey this discussion to commenter. maybe ask him to join here ?
mircea_popescu: !!v EC52ECFA8DB46EB24459AAD5C88B1C1D895335D9B6EA779673534380704A7D92
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated Mariono 1 << Euloran
phf: sh (bourne shell) is almost never actually deployed on systems anymore. when people say "sh" they usually mean "posix compliant subset of shell language that was once implemented as sh, and now written into the standard". on linux sh is bash in compatability mode, on bsd sh is ksh also in compatability mode. fwiw busybox supports posix sh, but doesn't have bash
mircea_popescu: kinda why i wanted to inquire around the root of that palm "tree".
phf: i thought busybox at some point was a contender for tmsros user space
phf: oh i updated the btcbase version of lam-par
phf: it does, same behavior on bsd fwiw
whaack: Greetings I'm trying to get a trb node running and I've gotten stuck during sync at block height 212033 any help would be appreciated here is the last 1k lines of my debug.log dpaste.com/03P772C
deedbot: Mariono voiced for 30 minutes.
Mariono: so how to claim the free btc ?
Mariono: i already played a game and have a pgp message for claim the free bits
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: luser friendly, bitch! are you a luser ? no ? then whadda ya want!
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: whaack he just means what ips have you specified to connect to if any.
mircea_popescu: whaack how long has it been running / how long has it been stuck ?
whaack: I tried connecting to each individual node in the "trusted node" with -connect=ip -maxconnetions=1 -nolisten but when I did that debug.log kept showing askfor tx xxxxx 0
whaack: I've had it running for a few days, and it's been stuck on 212033 for about 24hrs of runtime I believe
thestringpuller: "If anything, having nice things on credit is not a bad strategy if you never paid the bills really and someone took losses instead" << US Millennials really believe this while riding around in a used BMW they technically don't own.
Mariono: btw mircea_popescu how to insert the message into it ?
mircea_popescu: there's no specific problem known at that height ; trb does tend to want to use about 4gb or so if it can get to it.
mircea_popescu: Mariono it should have an option for "sign only" or "clearsign" or somesuch.
Mariono: like that right mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: trinque any idea why it rejects ? i see gpg: Good signature from "Mariono (Marionobitcointalk)
mircea_popescu: Mariono dun worry about it, you;re all set ; will have your payment later today.
mircea_popescu: Mariono bitcoin addresses start with 1 not with 3. do it again with a proper one.
Mariono: the 3 is multisig address :D
Mariono: wait i will make a new one
mircea_popescu: Mariono ok, NOW you're good. you will have your payment later today.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 17:45 whaack: it has 2g of ram
whaack: alright I'll get more ram on my machine then. that being said you don't imagine this would be a reason for it to stall for 24hrs on a single block?
trinque: mircea_popescu: Mariono: I need to fix key sync between the two servers involved in deeds
trinque: afaik this is the first n00bdeed in a while, which is cool.
ben_vulpes: phf: why doesn't funkenstein's privkey tool patch show up on the patch graph?
mod6: asciilifeform: No vpatches, other than critical ones + the makefiles were considered. There is a blerb in the forthcoming SoBA that we will begin again taking a look at some of these that have been submitted.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I don't think it got in before other vpatches changed the antecedents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the mempool-node and the blockchain-node split is pretty evident and definitely necessary. they got spit-glued together because well, early on in the prototyping phase people didn't know what's the engine and what's gonna be the carriage so just made one ball of everything.
whaack: asciilifeform: is there a box I can create an ssh tunnel to? would I do something along the lines of ssh sync@46.166.165.30 -L 9001:127.0.0.1:8333 and then run bitcoind with -connect=127.0.0.1:9001?
mircea_popescu: whaack it is entirely possible that your node is stuck on validating that block because of lack of ram, yes.
☟︎ deedbot: catvorg_cultist voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: whaack it's also possible you have one of the mysterious connectivity issues we've kept seeing but never managed to properly document. seems less likely.
mircea_popescu: there's a ream of other possible explanations also, at this juncture.
BingoBoingo: <Mariono> the 3 is multisig address :D << Not a real thing.
whaack: fwiw if I connect to only your "trusted nodes" list I connect but don't get back any resposes from asktxn requests etc. (assuming "askfor tx xxxx 0" in debug.log means the request returned nothing)
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-29: [16:35:36] <mircea_popescu> why is bash bad for your karma again ?
mircea_popescu: whaack how do you run it, something like -connect=108.31.170.49 -connect=54.187.227.228 -connect=46.166.165.30 -connect=91.218.246.31 -connect=172.86.178.46 -connect=50.168.67.12 ?
whaack: ./bitcoind -connect=108.31.170.49 -nolisten -maxconnections=1
whaack: cycling through them one at a time
BingoBoingo: Now kkksh far more standards compliant or at least more deterministic where it isn't
mircea_popescu: amusingly, "always use quotes" and "don't use the sh wordsplitting" is good advice for sh just as much.
mircea_popescu: catvorg_cultist as pointed in the logs, non-bash is simply not used ; so the fact that dumb holes like that weren't found is not actually much proof they're not there.
catvorg_cultist: Well, the gospel recommends ditching sh completely and using rc shell from plan9 instead, but guess when this will happen en masse
BingoBoingo: Nah, eventually he's going to Chinese FPGA his own lisp machine
whaack: alright now i connected to the six you listed and I seem to be getting responses for my askfor tx requests, I'll leave this running for another 24hrs while I get more ram (should take about a week) and report back
catvorg_cultist: alf is that american tv show about an alien who eats cats.
mircea_popescu: whaack if you're inclined to tinker, you may try making the ring buffer discussed in the logs ; should solve the problem permanently.
BingoBoingo: catvorg_cultist: This alf prefers to watch unkept cats oppress local vermin
mircea_popescu: anyway, consider registering your pgp key with deedbot, so you can self-voice.
mircea_popescu: well, correct in the sense of simplicity. otherwise what do you do, maintain state ?
mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- [#cat-v] Welcome to #cat-v. State your assumptions or prepare to be boarded. << the similarities are striking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it is not bash's fault that unix uses null-term strings.
mircea_popescu: the above is fucking correct behaviour (on the part of bash), it's your job to not do that to it. what.
mircea_popescu: a generation of "if you don't know what a word means, don't go look it up in the dictionary, it's not like western culture is a thing or that you're bound to it my precious snowflake! you can do anything, so ~guess~ what might have been meant!" cca 1960s ran into the products of a generation that made things very much like an ak, cca 1940s. the results are exactly of this nature,
mircea_popescu: "oh, but i ~intuited~ in my very special place that parsing ls output is the way to go!"
deedbot: catvorg_cultist voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ftr i'm not even sure i've even seen spaces in filenames outside of windowze.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: on the web they become i%20am%20a%20windows%20fucktard.docx or such. because willy-nilly space is a thing.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i am enjoying the trifecta of superb coffee + local cognac + homemade muffins.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 19:22 mircea_popescu: ftr i'm not even sure i've even seen spaces in filenames outside of windowze.
mircea_popescu: i agree spaces in filenames should not be possible. nor for that matter any utf-8 bullshit.
mircea_popescu: all filenames should consist strictly of alphanum characters ; and if the os simply purged anything else, AND clobbered all files that thereby ended up with the same name into a single file, i'd applaud.
mircea_popescu: a "bug" that is introduced by trying to "support" idiots is not a bug. it is trying to support idiots. do not do that.
catvorg_cultist: what was the name of that Rust clone of Unix, which run with "everything is a hyperlink".
phf: plan9 standardized on quotes as a way to print/read filenames with special symbols (like space and newline) in it, but none of the filter tools support that convention, so awk print $1 will happily render "foo\space, grep will grep for "foo\newline with rest of filename cutoff in both cases
catvorg_cultist: >I was specifically and deliberately uninterested in using for this tutorial any language that is not already present on every reasonable box
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is going to run the us presidential elections. FUCK THE MALL TO DEATH!
phf: you could probably write to ecmascript 5, but even then you're not going to have enough to support what ascii is trying to do. for one, there are no integers.
phf: we broke ascii, we need more newblood here to immunize us against random "why not use rust in docker container!!"
mircea_popescu: in other news, this cat-v thing mostly looks like "an approximation of tmsr pops up every 10 years ; this is the 2005 version"
phf: !#s I_did_it_for_you_all
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform you'd love these people. chat just exploded in a spontaneous demonstration of local brawn and might since i was there, much like a rus' village cca 1600 would. and the whole thing more or less consists of an ad hoc primitive argument for "fiots in head".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how lond does a /stats/ pageload take on phuctor ?
☟︎ phf: ben_vulpes: inferno is entirely written in a precursor language to Go
ben_vulpes imagined it springing forth fully formed from the forehead of some unknown in the google pits
phf: i think precursor to that was newsqueak
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 20:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how lond does a /stats/ pageload take on phuctor ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform takes me about a minute or two even now, though i loaded it minutes ago
mircea_popescu: the phuctored page is quick tho, which is what i cared about
trinque: ben_vulpes: who does that remind you of?!11!
ben_vulpes: that unremarkable cult of dipshits where the incompetents won.
trinque: in other news, goodbye to guy named for club in which he isn't.
mircea_popescu: it's basically ~= teenage girlies at their first frat party.
ben_vulpes: trinque: and /i'm/ being too broad now?
trinque: I was making fun of the guy who parted.
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 you know you're still doing the login wrong. gotta put the mask on first.
trinque: prior to that making fun of mutual acquaintences that gendercommit key-value stores written in edgylang
mircea_popescu: til. check out what the made-for-tv jew stereotype is named! BEN STEIN!
mircea_popescu: so basically, the cat-v story is, they had a mp. who died. the end.
mircea_popescu: apparently it happens all the damned time wtf is with these people.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> in other news, goodbye to guy named for club in which he isn't. << Reminds me I should get back to work on that fanfic because cults are so unfair
BingoBoingo: We know what is under vaginas, but what is under James!!!
phf: this was fun to watch, until it got depressing somehow. retrocomputing conversation killed me though, so if there's a continuation to the saga, remaining observers please share
BingoBoingo: They saw how fast your attention drew Microshaft into fucking the OpenBDSM community.
phf: i suspect at some point their antagonism was byproduct of the kind of work they did, but now, with no work or direction left, antagonism is all that's left. it was really odd, i kept expecting everyone to just shake hands though..
phf: i was part of a similar channel, where snr started dropping rapidly and the founder didn't have the heart to start removing people. a handful of us who were actually doing things just ended up moving to a different, much smaller channel. i remember one of the guys who started ineptly throwing weight, kremlin, from that other channel. useless hangeron. the default banter just reminded of the other low snr place...
☟︎ pete_dushenski: <sl_>its not necessary for me to tear down linux, its necessary for linux to demonstrate some worth << sounds an awful lot like "what is the value of the sun to me" or at least a very ustardian sort of "passive resistance is teh real resistance" as per campus banana hanger,
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549948 ☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 21:56 shinohai:
http://archive.is/R5PKk <<< Man in gorilla mask shows up at blm protest to hand out bananas wrapped in nooses.
pete_dushenski: in any event, kudos to mircea_popescu for the staying power demonstrated in #cat-v! gems were mined, oh how the lulzgems were mined.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 22:07 phf: i was part of a similar channel, where snr started dropping rapidly and the founder didn't have the heart to start removing people. a handful of us who were actually doing things just ended up moving to a different, much smaller channel. i remember one of the guys who started ineptly throwing weight, kremlin, from that other channel. useless hangeron. the default banter just reminded of the other low snr place...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what's with these pseudonymous commenters who don't link to their own personal blogs ?
phf: asciilifeform: i had cat-v and 9front in some high regard, i was actually surprised there was a channel, with ~people~ in it
phf: turns out, markov chain generators
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: bravo on the parachute btw. looking forward to more publishings that 'everyone knows already' but really doesn't and that are 'incredibly obvious to alert reader' but really aren't.
mircea_popescu: phf i dunno, doesn't register as antagonism in my head, just pure fear. which is weird, but w/e.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 432132 | Current Difficulty: 2.4122720022999103E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 433439 | Next Difficulty In: 1307 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu shall have to reserve a quiet hour for this drinking record.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tis short. I'm trying the episodic thing
shinohai: Did I miss a drinking record post while I ws down? /me searches lawgs
mircea_popescu: phf it should perhaps be pointed out that the relation between current population of random channel and software/essaywriting projects of a guy dead half decade ago may well be tenuous. imagine if you were trying to judge say masamune on basis of #clim
phf: i like the stylesheet
phf: it's like Ent take on tmsr
mircea_popescu: i think that's kinda the plan. guy has some sort of anthropotree fetish.
phf: ahaha, their logger is maintained by "phm"
BingoBoingo: lol that's not a real address in that deed
shinohai: Imma add "You can piss right off with p2sh addy's" to the instructions.