BingoBoingo: Question: How do you reverse a ratcheting tap and die handle?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mine thankfully does not. Selected text taken from catalog faq
a111: Logged on 2014-08-12 02:19 TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work
mircea_popescu: openssl can't be trusted to actually use entropy in the first place.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller as in feed /dev/random directly from it yes
thestringpuller: "RAND_poll seeds the random number generator using a system-specific entropy source, which is /dev/urandom on UNIX-like operating systems" << so openssl default is PRNG??? RE: "The urandom device may lack sufficient entropy for your needs, and you might want to reseed it immediately from /dev/random. On Unix and other operating systems that provide the block device, you can use RAND_load_file to load directly from /dev/random."
mircea_popescu: in fairness it's a bit like using car for haulage. use train neh.
jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
mod6: asciilifeform: anything catching your eye in the performance statistics?
mod6: (im much more familiar with mysql's perf schema, not really with psql, but... I find these things very helpful on a regular basis.)
mod6: so, UIs are usually victims, ofc. and the bottleneck is in the database. might be worth your time to see what your explain plans look like (are we doing a lot of table scans?), what do your lock counts look like? are we doing lots of long runing queries that return no rows? etc.
mod6: it would be interesting to see, how often inserts are happening for new key submissions versus, say, something that would facilitate a regular ui page load.
mod6: are you doing row-level locking?
mod6: (my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from)
☟︎ mod6: and if you're doing (what might be default in pgsql) some sort of full table locking on inserts, then that'd be something to look at.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a guide on making this fabled kernel module for fuckgoats?
mod6: there is a lot of configuration/tuning involved. they're picky. :/
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: :( learning cliff larger than dwarf fortress. no hints? tips and tricks?
trinque: asciilifeform: explain what locks when you're inserting into your keys table
trinque: the "concurrent" in acid ought to mean this doesn't happen
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 04:32 mod6: (my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from)
trinque: sure thing is hateful, but you have one, can't use it wrong and lament
trinque: can you use a materialized view there?
trinque: to generate your work data, meanwhile inserting into the table the view reads from?
trinque: process being "refresh materialized view" -> perform work on matview -> repeat
trinque: ok so there are materialized views, yes? stored query the results of which are written to a table
trinque: write one of those and perform your factoring work upon it
trinque: ok, you said that you are reading and writing heavily to the same table
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you deeply against giving the man access on the machine ?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 04:33 asciilifeform: well noshit
trinque: By default costs are in units of “time a sequential 8kb block read takes
diana_coman: "While there will always be people with unfair advantages" bwahahaa
diana_coman: by this time I rather expect that the underlying truth there is that MIT's "computer science curriculum" simply is watered down
mats: coursera's 'learning how to learn' is also quite good
phf: asciilifeform: did you get the new and improved edition? or a pirate pdf of the original? i'm not sure what the warez status of it is, but i can potentially do a proper scan of the first ed
phf: i can't vouch for the current edition (with the colourful chronometer on the cover), becaues comments side that it's not just a reprent, but a revised text based on gould's notes.
phf: (i don't know what happened to above sentence. india make me spell good)
phf: i wonder if "scott young" used bulletproof coffee every morning, to prep himself up for mit ciriculum study. did he organize his studies using GTD??? what kind of organizer did he use, and where can i buy it? the audience wants to know answers to these vital questions
mats: huh, first i've heard of 'bulletproof coffee', how hip
mats: >grass-fed butter and Brain-octane oil
mats: i've been away from the valley too long
phf: the whole vibe of the piece that you linked is that. "here's 10 books i wrote on how to be a leading brain surgeon. i myself am not a brain surgeon of course too hard lol, i just made all the money writing books like that"
mats: i'll add a trigger warning if there's a next time
phf: i'm 2 weeks away from having to go back to washington, dc. i'm over the hump, and doubling down on hate.
mats: efforts to retake western half of mosul have begun
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615505 << just to note for asciilifeform and given that i didn't see it mentioned in the pdf (could have easily missed it), `EXPLAIN (ANALYZE, BUFFERS) $yoursqlquery` *is* useful. "buffers" will also show how much of postgres cache was hit during query execution, etc. etc.; it's quite nice.
☝︎ Framedragger: 112.16.66.170 << running comware, "Comware is an industry-leading provider of network security solutions including products, professional services, and implementation. Our elite team of experts understands complex security issues ..."
mircea_popescu: "ultra learning" sounds a lot like "i don't wanna learn, what can you make me out of HFCS and corporate legal advice ?"
mircea_popescu: phf you're exactly right. this current maga-able us economy consisting of "we'll be rich by doing each other's laundry" is not in any sense novel, or invented by the pantsuit mcclinton. in fact, on a frank review of the extant record, the only properly said us-american culture is THIS. in between the quack salesman and the itinerant scammer you find the neoprotestant-innovative firebrand preacher, the systematizing industrial
mircea_popescu: if there is to be something substantially murican, to stand with the russki "soul of the peasant", it's a badly typeset secret big town learnin' france doesn't want ms cormack of potato, idaho to know.
mircea_popescu: that's the one, only, true and authentic soul of america and naught else. apparent alternatives are always and without exception strictly a) tolerated imports with no substantial intermingling with local idiocy and b) only tolerated because of exterior pressure ; if usian CAN get away with no longer pretending to frenchness, germanity, etc he most definitely will.
mircea_popescu: blessfully, there is a large contingent of young women who deeply intuit the whole thing's bullshit ; which is the most that can be said for the place. making the anglophone ideological america VERY much a "city of jerusalem". total jews, these folk.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 phf: so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep"
phf: guy who snatched mcclim from g_l, and who otherwise got a somewhat cold treatment from the ccl core before joined the channel the next day with "i guess i should subscribe to mailing list :)"
phf: the wrecker must wreck, for as soon as he stops he becomes the wrecked.
mircea_popescu: expression famously used by elena ceausescu wrt the general populace. very much in this line of exasperation, they'll chew everything these schmucks.
mircea_popescu: it's the funny fate of people at the top of a socialist dictatorship to become very right wing ever as their populace drifts ever more into ustardism.
phf: dormiti from dormire? sort of worms don't sleep?
mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: more or less a "there's no fucking end to the amount of chinese crap these idiots would """buy""" if they had credit cards. and no, there isn't.
phf: i don't have a smart comment, "exasperation" is the correct term in this case. i'm looking in awe at the turnaround time though, some kind of "modernization" fast track right there
mircea_popescu: "what moves faster than clouds ?" "nothing really" "how come clouds haven't taken over the world ?" "but in their way... they have."
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 16:12 mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
phf: of course, the sum of all moves is insubstantial, but the totality is going to produce the gnupg effect. 5000 renames for 5 meaningful changes, meanwhile yet another project to add to naggum emacs archive
mircea_popescu: phf why are you even getting back to dc in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: justified ; their musical instruments weren't up to code. people are irresponsible, you could start a fire using the wrong kind of trumpet. and fire is dangerous, whole fucking party could die because of it.
phf: i need to move a handful of things into storage, throw out the bulk and handover my apartment back to landlord. mostly i don't want to lose my books, but i'm going to split them between a handful of trusted locations
mircea_popescu: it's funny though, the "advanced" "our" democracy superstate slowly decides that it doesn't WANT to do all the fundamental things it parasitized, such as cash supply.
mircea_popescu: the "people will route around you" point is somehow not obvious.
mircea_popescu: if i lived in india i'd strike gold rounds, with my face on one side and my crown on the other. and if the "indian our democracy" doesn't like it, they can eat hot ieds.
mircea_popescu: Kingdom of India, rape all the bureaucrat 16yo daughters. sounds like a party.
phf: that's basically what they do her re strike gold rounds. according to a gold seller for an average indian wedding he sells roughly 2kg worth of jewelry. he says that different sellers will have slightly different numbers (based on how prestigious they are), but he's sort of in the middle of normal distribution
phf: three biggest stores downtown: wedding saris, a department store with everything, 6 storied gold vendor
mircea_popescu: a properly minted gold coin would be worth about $1500
mircea_popescu: phf yeah. gold was already "A problem" in the soviet meaning of the term in india. with this idiocy, they're making it a fully gold standard place.
phf: every bank has a "gold loan" department, presumably to pawn the wedding jewelry on the as needed basis. you see this dynamic as you step of the airplane. the idea that currency ban hits anyone but the poorest of the poor is ridiculous.
phf: based on what it is. if it's supposed to cary a stone of some sort, 18, then goes up
phf: you can walk in, ask for a theme, and you're going to be presented with a range of crude looking trinkets, the kind that you would see as costume jewelry in the "little princess" corner of the store
phf: except at 22k, sold by weight
mircea_popescu: fortunately cunts of all subcultures work. the rest...
jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
phf: unrelatedly, someone ported franz's clim2 to ccl, but instead of using ffi to motif backend, they used an original generas clx backend, that is still there. the result is ugly, broken on mac's x11, but works, and potentially could be improved and optimized by interested parties.
http://glyf.org/screenshots/clim2-clx.png phf: i'm not sure, but i remember you have to put a handful of magic incantations to live fix clx on genera to make it connect to crapple's x11
☟︎ phf: but judging by the nature of damage, it's probably somewhere in the SHAPE extension
phf: actually, no, shape is for cutting windows
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i must say. when I put 40 hours into the first thief over vacation, definitely repeated that phrase to myself a lot: "thinking man's doom" such an apt three word description for the game.
mats: this chick pays way too much for pot from cali she could be getting from maine, vermont, new hampshire, ...
mats: amateur hour, this, shipping bulk pot through fucking fedex
mats: you can afford rent for safe houses but can't be fucked to develop a connect in the northeast? and drive the stuff down like sane people?
trinque: people grow weed everywhere there are buildings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds a lot like someone read trilema on the topic lel.
mircea_popescu: mats the newspaper version of everything will be braindamaged. ever read any "science" from nature etc ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller weed is a swamp thing not a desert thing. grows best in wash dc.
trinque: I'm going to aim the deeds service at #trilema-trinque for a few minutes to test.
trinque: the rewrite of the bot is launching shortly
trinque: looks like everything works, but we'll see what chaos says
mats: mircea_popescu: yes, isn't nature one of the better 'open access' journals?
mircea_popescu: this is shockingly common. girl's schoolmate went to posh art school, ran out of dough, moved into one of her sculptures.
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot trinque
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 6 by 6 connections.
trinque: that's done. anyone having trouble, let me know.
hanbot: test tx via trb using sendtoaddress fails to send diddly squat, meanwhile @ blockchain.info: transaction rejected by our node. Reason:Script resulted in a non-true stack: []
hanbot: ea58f22fe5bbb4f42edb8be90a37f98b57af12007f7620f7ab94111a06ff3ebb
mircea_popescu: i also see 7fa9eb8297e7547e8ab24a7ac49197197cb312364436ba7ac31b61822059f531 which doublespends it
jhvh1: hanbot: Current Blocks: 453792 | Current Difficulty: 4.40779902286E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 455615 | Next Difficulty In: 1823 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 27 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
hanbot: eh. my node is current and doesn't see it, inasmuch as amt's still held.
hanbot: i mean the amt sent to non-trb wallet is still included in trb wallet.
mircea_popescu: i don't think trb updates your wallet balance in this case. it updates it when it sends something, it doesn't rescan for doublespends.
mircea_popescu: the receiver should see it ; the sender has nfi what happened, rescan will fix.
☟︎ hanbot: say, i've also got a paytxfee reset to zero (was set last run)...what's this, also doesn't update w/o rescan, or wants a setting every run?
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure, but afaik trb still imports original satoshi assumptive boneheadedness in that it will not consider tx updating its own wallet which it didn't issue itself.
mircea_popescu: the idea though is that you'd want to pay the same per kb for a whole period.
mircea_popescu: not a particularly bright idea - for one thing you may wish to prioritize txn
BingoBoingo: ^ When was the last time anyone coped with a coping saw?
BingoBoingo: And how were hands? Would you be seeking an alternative if answer was yesterday and every day since last month?
BingoBoingo: Sawing is fine good fun. Coping is the sort of task that lead to Doctor's adminishions to stop doing that and repetitive stress injury.
mircea_popescu: way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well not substantially. except if "run many nodes" is done by idiot, spins up 500 aws instances.
mircea_popescu: this sounds shockingly dumb when stated, but then again in point of fact average usian has "many sources of information : reddit, wikipedia, six different fake news outlets + nature!"
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become
mircea_popescu: yes, because you don't want to commit the serious resources needed for a node on each of these boxen.
mircea_popescu: gotta distinguish between push and pull sort of needs, also. if you want to know "what is x" you want something substantially different from wanting to "let everyone know y"
mircea_popescu: there is some value in accepting crapolade from randos.
mircea_popescu: but this is also where heterogenicity of implementation is a major republican asset.
mircea_popescu: the reason i hesitate to publish the extensive mp alien techs wrt bitcoin infrastructure isn't simply the sheer size ; nor merely the political consideration of, "hey, there's a lot of value in enemy not actually knowing what mp capabilities are -- as widely exemplified in the public sphere by the march cartel trampling among who knows what private adventures"
mircea_popescu: but actually the fact that i think we'd lose out on a lot of value by not doing the v-tron thing here.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aye, reasonabru. i'll probably kill the web stuff and make the thing irc-only. not going to happen immediately, still planning out data collection system
mod6: they are tasty, indeed.
mod6: awesome, thanks for testing!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, it's glorious to watch. i would say we have a complete, reliable and quite elegant solution to the original mandate
a111: Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
mircea_popescu: 16 months is RIDICULOUSLY quick for something of this magnitude.
mircea_popescu: (and of course it's only 16 months in a very loose measuring, original v was published the very same month)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ha nice going mod6 << Thanks! & Thanks to all who helped in the effort.
mircea_popescu: myeah, to borrow alfism, it's unclear what the megawatt of iron folk would have even done re this. it's not, afaik, a matter approacheable by corporate america.
mircea_popescu: as in, apple "could buy russia", but can't v in a year.
mod6: mircea_popescu: today was a gift. usually never hunt by this time of year -- too cold, too much snow in the fields.
mod6: doesn't leave a lot for cover for the birds. we hunt in the snow, until it becomes un-walkable. once i did through 3-4 ft. drifts, and nearly had a cardiac event.
mod6: so now, i only go up to 1 ft, then I call it for the season. gets hard on the dogs too.
BingoBoingo: mod6 asciilifeform mircea_popescu or hanbot care to qntra up this milestone?
mircea_popescu: it's kinda covered in teh foundation reports... but maybe an interview format thing'd be a good idea
BingoBoingo: Well covered in reports, but interview or walkthrough would be welcome.
mircea_popescu: it's not an event is what he means. was a thing for a while now, it's just incidentally been brought up
BingoBoingo: The things about the reports is the proceed piecemeal into thing like channel epihany today
BingoBoingo: eventually all those little steps add up into "Holy Shit" good enough lesser people would stamp "done" and quit
mircea_popescu: some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project.
mircea_popescu: curious how davout 's work on splitting function is coming along btw
☟︎ mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's kinda covered in teh foundation reports... but maybe an interview format thing'd be a good idea << yeah, I like the idea.
mod6: i haven't heard on davout's progress recently.
☟︎ mod6: testing on the new V seems to be going well, probably will publish next month.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project. << yeah, many exciting things are starting to open up.
ben_vulpes: "mostly reading" last time i spoke to himi on the topic
mod6: yeah, that project will take much thought and consideration. i applaud that approach.
mod6: asciilifeform: cool
mod6: ah, yes. very cool. how's ada going for ya? I've only recently dipped my toe in that water.
mircea_popescu: they got a problem, blockchain hasn't fit on any tablet apple markets for a year
mircea_popescu: "PRB should also work on most other Unix-like systems but is not frequently tested on them."
mircea_popescu: ahaha. so basically... they give up, right ? unix-like ie 100% of the net infrastructure. prb is officially a toy, not to be run seriously.
hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615687 << fwiw, receiving wallet does see amt sent. meanwhile trb restarted with -rescan shows same balance as before, which we now realize *had changed* following transaction just...not by amt sent. to wit, listtransactions sees original balance, sees correct sent amt with fee, nevertheless balance via getinfo has mystery-difference. which shows as a negative, and only value, via listaccounts.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 18:44 mircea_popescu: the receiver should see it ; the sender has nfi what happened, rescan will fix.
hanbot: you figure this wallet in particular has a pox?
mircea_popescu: half the piece is about dumbass half-transparent overlays and making me a sandwich while shutting the fuck up.