BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The cold truth you must confront is that the body panel is without any doubt doomed. Everything from this point forward is merely stalling the inevitable victory of oxidation.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-28 21:49 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: any thoughts on rustoleum spray on rubber/"plastidip" to slow down metastasization/rusting of body panel gouge?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then there's ruined pain on doomed body panel.
BingoBoingo: There are many things in this world where rust removal and remediation are possible. The steel of American cars is not one of them.
mircea_popescu: and in further romanian traditional "fuck everyone's words" : "beata lei" is the typical italian "good for you". in romanian, "biata de ea", poor her.
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simonpenner: BingoBoingo: I poked my head in here the other day on a fake name via webchat, to figure out what it is. Now I've got a bouncer set up and can IRC again
simonpenner: to clarify in case you missed this: I did not write the days of rage post, that is a guestpost
simonpenner: I did write liek 3/4ths of the rest of the site tho
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BingoBoingo: simonpenner: You can now give yourself voice
BingoBoingo: Well not an auth so much as a challenge/response
simonpenner: oh so you're all functional programmers too?
BingoBoingo: It's a mix. I am primarily an alcoholic in recovery.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes likes cars and wants his computers to be more like his cars
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform is a dog that thinks himself a cat
simonpenner: well thanks for the invite. interesting place here
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: How do you control vermin population without cats?
simonpenner: well foxes are like a hybrid dog/cat with the best of both worlds
simonpenner: I've a cat. I love. I used to have a dog (ex's dog), I loved him. Both are good
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simonpenner: am I going to get swat guys busting down my door for hanging out here?
simonpenner: I figure if you were actually up to no good you probably woudln't do it in public
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mircea_popescu: simonpenner so what do you do, other than aving started a blog last year where ppl guestpost
simonpenner: I write software, people give me money for it
mircea_popescu: lol ahahaha wait, derpy left narrative is now that random judge can STAY an executive order ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: mmm. "savant of the strange, herald of the hypothetical, expert enigma"
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : guy who inexplicably considers himself qualified to opine on others fails to understand why is it that spurious dude with no skills or abilities is spurious.
mircea_popescu: "there is no good answer!!11" really ? "yes, because i will not consider the obvious point that this guy's supernumerary"
mircea_popescu: "but he's a hard worker and gives 110%!!!" yes but 110% of shit is still worth nothing.
mircea_popescu: because most of this shit is ephemeral, like the shitheads who author it.
mircea_popescu: In their late twenties the most intelligent among them say to me, "There's something missing in my life, but I don't know what it is." ; and i grin and if they have nice tits and are tall enough i show them to their cell.
mircea_popescu: o hey, in other lulz turns out sarah schneider (college humour) published topless for teh fappening.
Reuel: mircea_popescu, diana_coman, re: your criticisms, I would say that, at the higher level, there is a choice in target audience, people who live democracy as implemented in the west and agree with it will find no trouble wasting time on a game like this, since it mimics familiar mechanisms (even if broken). In this particular channel, probably not enough ppl would be interested.
Reuel: Then, if it would have to be implemented with what you would call more sane basics, the in game money would need to come from somewhere. Could be solved by making each vote costing actual irl money. Maybe even make many of the in-game actions cost money. So, either a per action cost that can be paid, or each player pitches in at the start to fill the nation's coffers.
Reuel: I would say this would greatly increase complexity, as well as the cost of mistakes in the implementation.
mircea_popescu: how can you make an evaluation as to what people'd do ?
Reuel: I think, you believe that the choice in what to vote in is totally free.
Reuel: But it would be a designed lawbook
mircea_popescu: so in a nameless city on a nameless street a spot of commercial space opens up. it has all the amenties and whatever.
mircea_popescu: two people are interested in this space. one guy is a dwarf alchemist. he wants to put in there a large cauldron and other things, according to a complicated scheme he has, which at all junctures is justified formally and specifically, but in general it all backs into "because it'd be cool to do".
mircea_popescu: the other guy is an elven astrologer. she wants to put in there a large couch and other things, according to a complicated scheme she has, which at all junctures is justified formallyt and specifically, buyt in general it all backs into "because i think people'd like this".
mircea_popescu: now, if the dwarf runs into trouble, his retort is work ; and if the elf runs into trouble, her retort is drink.
mircea_popescu: much like to the elf and her friends any round refusal of "considering what people like" smacks, residually and vaguely, of "racism" ; just so to the dwarf and his friends any round refusal to refuse to consider "what people like" smacks, residually and vaguelly, of laziness. ie, the only reason the elf's an elf is because she's aforedecided she won't put in any work, and all that's left for her thereby is astrology and "what
Reuel: seems like two extremes though
mircea_popescu: but the problem remains : i can tell you why any engine doesn't work in all cases ; you can't tell me why people like or don't like anything in any case.
mircea_popescu: to use a ballas-ism, people who allign their future to that vector how did it go
Reuel: in the simple case of my game, it would be, at the bottom, the same as action movies for a large part of the population, power fantasies
mircea_popescu: "the vast majority who have aligned theyir psychology to this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labour and their lives."
mircea_popescu: Reuel if i were into that, why wouldn't i do exactly what the retard with "coreboot" did, or that unmentionable dimwit with "tor" ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me there's already a social media democracy game which costs nothing to enter ; and at least in the fantasmagoric minds of half the pariticpants promises to pay out.
mircea_popescu: if they were gonna put half a hour into the female gossip thing you describe, they'd have already found livejournal / instagram / whatever they use these days.
Reuel: so the game is absolutely no match for the channel, no problem
Reuel: my main goal here was to make a bot as to get involved a bit
Reuel: the game I can still unleash on the unsuspecting masses
mircea_popescu: so make a logger, look at Framedragger phf ben_vulpes 's for inspiration.
Reuel: thing was I already started on the voting game back end
Reuel: but, is there a need for a logger?
mircea_popescu: well, only in the limited sense that it'll allow people to evaluate you.
Reuel: no, but if I make something useful, that would be of more benefit I guess
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 06:41 mircea_popescu: ok so a) gotta see if ext2 / ext4 CAN EVEN HOLD this many symlinks. like, at all.
Reuel: this is then partly hardware related as well then?
Reuel: its setting up an experiment, not making a bot though
Reuel: so this would be best to do on a clean hdd
Reuel: Im looking to improve standing after all, although a bot sounded interesting
mircea_popescu: well yeah, you want a hdd. if it's new or old don't su much matter, but empty.
mircea_popescu: do you understand the bitcoin end of things ? are you running a client ? ever got a v-build of trb to run for instance ?
Reuel: i see it ties into bitcoin in the log but
Reuel: is it necessary to run an experiment that answers your question
Reuel: necessary to understand
Reuel: the bitcoin aspect
Reuel: ive ran core and other coins core but no deep knowledge
mircea_popescu: ah. well, from a simple "cs competency" perspective, doing a trb build first is very good practice. i'll familiarize you with what's here a minimal bar of qualification and anywhere else above the reach of graduate students somehow. and it'll show you the power of the tools and the quality of the engineering.
mircea_popescu: then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above
☟︎ Reuel: step one is setting up a node then?
Reuel: this works in ubuntu?
Reuel: or should i use another os
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't, that's both interesting and you're already building standing as you say.
Reuel: good, I will start there then
mircea_popescu: people generally look to answer the very simple "who the fuck is this guy again ?" ; "he found that quirk on so and so linux flavour" is a better response than "i dunno, he just started talking one day".
mircea_popescu: iirc we discussed doing a sort of iterated attractor thing
a111: Logged on 2015-08-02 16:03 asciilifeform: the most critical thing re: the graph is probably to make it reflect ~only function calls~ rather than class membership
mircea_popescu: actually a long term "c++ toolkit" is probably a very worth republican project. it's accessible by parts, like seen here, even if the parts are really above pay grade of most folk, and is certainly unevitable. we're stuck with a lot of c++ code and this isn't going to go away.
mircea_popescu: on the good news front, we do have lisp-in-linux-on-irc already.
mircea_popescu: there's also linux ; and eulora ; and gcc. and for that matter... emacs.
mircea_popescu: i like the place where you live ; and would love to visit sometime.
Framedragger: (re. v-tree code analysis bot, mmm sounds hot.)
mircea_popescu: this is not exactly true. the raising of nazi submarines is +ev for nation-state ; as shown once ru sub sinks.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: except trump's caddy to be every bit as brash. and are the amerikans still claiming a growing economy ? really ?
pete_dushenski: apologies also for the delayed responses. as ^^ points out, i was away and pretty, pretty, pretty unplugged.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i hear you. and no disagreement here. pride will dig you into unnecessary ditches from which you'll then have to climb out. also, yw for auctioneering :)
pete_dushenski: in less acute instincts, this has to be the lousiest author bio i've seen in a while : "Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community Milepoint.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" byConde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been
pete_dushenski: a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty."
simonpenner: pete_dushenski: is that this visa denial one or is there another one now?
pete_dushenski: simonpenner: same one. sectioon 7 relating to biometric entry-exit tracking was just getting a bit of traction on the second go-around
pete_dushenski: not that exciting, really. just thought the dude's bio was lulzy
pete_dushenski: it's not that the rooms are even all that similar, just that you gotta subtly prime the coming nationslism every way possible
Reuel: Ignore my test, also, have you guys automated the login process with the OTP etc?
Reuel: well I have to copy paste he OTP, run cmd line stuff, etc, just curious how many here automated the process
mircea_popescu: if you end up losing connection a lot better fix your bouncer set-up than automate your identity
Reuel: ah yeah there's some security risks ofcourse
Reuel: oh yeah I read that before but had no practical use for it as yet, liked it though
mod6: Despite all of the recent discussion around multiple roots... I was able to get that working in the forthcoming version.
mod6: At least, it looks like it's good so far.
Reuel: but I can't wait to boil disks in tomato juice
mod6: I'm starting a huge testing phase as we speak. I thought it was worth the effort to /try/ get it working for others.
mod6: And looks like my couple of days playing with it paid off.
mod6: Oh, speaking of cured meats... I hit up the deli again today and picked up a bunch of different salami.
mircea_popescu: actually i was speaking of the pasta in tomato sauce with minced meat dish, but nevertheless :D
mod6: lol, these people think i'm nuts. they're like, "mod6, how much do you want? quarter pound?." i'm like waving it in. "gimme the whole thing."
mod6: so to the tune of boiling in tomato sauce... I did this.
mod6: but then after that, i scrubbed them all with very corase sand paper.
mod6: then after that I blow-torched 'em.
mod6: then after that I used a pair of metal cutting scissors and cut them in to very small pieces.
mircea_popescu: "and then after i had threw them at the ugly mothers of my enemies"
mod6: if that doesn't do it, well then fuck me.
diana_coman recollects of all a sudden a pocket-book from childhood: "Taiem porcul. Cum il preparam?"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman did you see that "amintiri din epoca de aur" antology ? there's a segment there re apartment gassing of pig.
mod6: Looks ike a decent meat book.
mircea_popescu: mod6 pretty much 20th century ro traditional pig slaughter.
mod6: that would be awesome, actually.
mod6: someday, I really wanna get into butchery
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid ~every male was supposed to be able to do this.
mod6: yeah, its a basic life skill.
mod6: i totally missed out on that.
mircea_popescu: mod6 nothing you can't learn in a week. provided of course there's whom to learn from.
mod6: If shoot a moose or slaugher a pig, or whatever, gotta know how to take it apart and preserve the meat. Basic.
mod6: I was watching this recent show about this part of alaska that's now been deemed only for wild-life. It's this huge area in the artic circle. Some people still live there though, as they were granfathered in.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect the whole "not for people" libertard thing will last.
mod6: Only like 7 families remain. Most of them live off of moose & caribu I would guess. Fish. etc.
mod6: I would like that kinda thing I think. Maybe in another life.
mod6: lol! and may the gods make me swift.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, the north is not particularily unfriendly food wise. it's just cold. meanwhile the south utterly sucks for food.
mod6: I suppose there are alyways things to hunt. Just not quite as large of game maybe? Although in the south east, they love, for instance, alligator.
mod6: Which can be pretty big I suppose. I had it once. Was pretty tasty.
mod6: When I was out west, most of the deer were "mule-deer" much smaller than their northern conterparts. But there were wild-boar... so I guess I guy could have his pick from jack-rabbits or boar, or mule-deer. *shrug*
mircea_popescu: mod6 well if you mean north as in "past artic circle" then i mean south as in "past tropics"
mod6: I remember it being like a greasy chicken type thing. Even had some dark meat in there.
mod6: Yeah, no idea what they might have as far as game down in that region. Aside from like snakes. That's what I think of. Snakes.
mod6: This one site says that there is amazing big game hunting in .ar: cougar, white-tail deer, "brocket" deer, and 'peccary'.
mod6: *nod* it is fairly warm there. it certainly isn't like where I'm at. I mean, it's less extreme. Here it gets really hot and humid in the summer, and extra cold in the winter.
mircea_popescu: summers are humid though, my ac is literally pouring out a faucet.
mod6: aha. the autumn in .ar is pretty plesant though.
mod6: In the summer, does it cool off quite a bit at night though?
mod6: So walks are not so punishing?
mod6: Wow. Tomorrow is supposed to be 34 deg. C.
mod6: Batten down the hatches.
mod6: <+diana_coman> mod6, it was actually quite decent << right on. how've you been lately? how's eulorian things?
diana_coman: mod6, fighting the planeshift jungle mainly; so Foxy gets to roam eulora mostly; did you ever get to set the client up ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not even "34 C". it's that the air is so moist, getting this to 24 is about 3x the joules it'd take you to get it to 24 in a sane climate.
mod6: diana_coman: well, i've got a box. my main focus has been getting these V changes put in. and pretty much think that's complete, but got a ton of testing in front of me.
mod6: but, i'll see about getting that new client setup. i kinda want to use foxybot to mine stuff for me.
mod6: best game evar basically.
diana_coman: mod6, testing is still in the future of eulora mostly ; sadly; and I get what you say there: I wouldn't spend the time now to set the client up if it wasn't already there and ready to be left on its own for days at a time
mod6: it actually doesn't take long to set it up at all. but i need every spare minute possible for V atm. but when I have a few spare cycles, I'll get that going. at least I have a box for it now.
mod6: as far as testing, it can not be understated how important the automated tests were for V to ensure that regressions did not happen. would be great to eventually have a framework build up for eulora so that functional and unit testing could be inplace the same way.
mod6: that could be an entire role for someone aspiring to help out in all seriousness.
mod6: I need to get the ball rolling for something like that with TRB as well.
mod6: we have very few tests, and we need probably thousands.
mod6: eventually maybe, anyway.