mircea_popescu: In their late twenties the most intelligent among them say to me, "There's something missing in my life, but I don't know what it is." ; and i grin and if they have nice tits and are tall enough i show them to their cell.
Reuel: mircea_popescu, diana_coman, re: your criticisms, I would say that, at the higher level, there is a choice in target audience, people who live democracy as implemented in the west and agree with it will find no trouble wasting time on a game like this, since it mimics familiar mechanisms (even if broken). In this particular channel, probably not enough ppl would be interested.
Reuel: Then, if it would have to be implemented with what you would call more sane basics, the in game money would need to come from somewhere. Could be solved by making each vote costing actual irl money. Maybe even make many of the in-game actions cost money. So, either a per action cost that can be paid, or each player pitches in at the start to fill the nation's coffers.
Reuel: I would say this would greatly increase complexity, as well as the cost of mistakes in the implementation.
mircea_popescu: how can you make an evaluation as to what people'd do ?
Reuel: I think, you believe that the choice in what to vote in is totally free.
mircea_popescu: so in a nameless city on a nameless street a spot of commercial space opens up. it has all the amenties and whatever.
mircea_popescu: two people are interested in this space. one guy is a dwarf alchemist. he wants to put in there a large cauldron and other things, according to a complicated scheme he has, which at all junctures is justified formally and specifically, but in general it all backs into "because it'd be cool to do".
mircea_popescu: the other guy is an elven astrologer. she wants to put in there a large couch and other things, according to a complicated scheme she has, which at all junctures is justified formallyt and specifically, buyt in general it all backs into "because i think people'd like this".
mircea_popescu: now, if the dwarf runs into trouble, his retort is work ; and if the elf runs into trouble, her retort is drink.
mircea_popescu: much like to the elf and her friends any round refusal of "considering what people like" smacks, residually and vaguely, of "racism" ; just so to the dwarf and his friends any round refusal to refuse to consider "what people like" smacks, residually and vaguelly, of laziness. ie, the only reason the elf's an elf is because she's aforedecided she won't put in any work, and all that's left for her thereby is astrology and "what
Reuel: ive ran core and other coins core but no deep knowledge
mircea_popescu: ah. well, from a simple "cs competency" perspective, doing a trb build first is very good practice. i'll familiarize you with what's here a minimal bar of qualification and anywhere else above the reach of graduate students somehow. and it'll show you the power of the tools and the quality of the engineering.
mircea_popescu: then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above☟︎
mircea_popescu: people generally look to answer the very simple "who the fuck is this guy again ?" ; "he found that quirk on so and so linux flavour" is a better response than "i dunno, he just started talking one day".
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu's list of Open Problemz imho should include (~usable~, unlike solrodar's) trb flow-graph
mircea_popescu: actually a long term "c++ toolkit" is probably a very worth republican project. it's accessible by parts, like seen here, even if the parts are really above pay grade of most folk, and is certainly unevitable. we're stuck with a lot of c++ code and this isn't going to go away.
asciilifeform: it isn't even a mega-mystery what this will have to look like:
asciilifeform: modified gcc , with forcibly-removed AST-covering panties,
asciilifeform: then again i would not be the first to know, if this weren't so.
asciilifeform: re hughes 'glomar explorer', story is that even AFTER cover was blown, the thing was sent to do the ~job claimed in the cover story~ -- undersea mining. and not 'raise ww2 ships', which even after the robot was built, remained -ev.
asciilifeform: (mining was ditto -ev and thing was quickly auctioned for scrap)
asciilifeform: or, hm, not so quickly. so perhaps it had undocumented adventures.
pete_dushenski: in less acute instincts, this has to be the lousiest author bio i've seen in a while : "Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community Milepoint.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" byConde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been
pete_dushenski: a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty."
mod6: I was watching this recent show about this part of alaska that's now been deemed only for wild-life. It's this huge area in the artic circle. Some people still live there though, as they were granfathered in.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect the whole "not for people" libertard thing will last.
mod6: Only like 7 families remain. Most of them live off of moose & caribu I would guess. Fish. etc.
mod6: I would like that kinda thing I think. Maybe in another life.
mod6: When I was out west, most of the deer were "mule-deer" much smaller than their northern conterparts. But there were wild-boar... so I guess I guy could have his pick from jack-rabbits or boar, or mule-deer. *shrug*
diana_coman: mod6, testing is still in the future of eulora mostly ; sadly; and I get what you say there: I wouldn't spend the time now to set the client up if it wasn't already there and ready to be left on its own for days at a time
mod6: it actually doesn't take long to set it up at all. but i need every spare minute possible for V atm. but when I have a few spare cycles, I'll get that going. at least I have a box for it now.
mod6: as far as testing, it can not be understated how important the automated tests were for V to ensure that regressions did not happen. would be great to eventually have a framework build up for eulora so that functional and unit testing could be inplace the same way.
mod6: that could be an entire role for someone aspiring to help out in all seriousness.
mod6: I need to get the ball rolling for something like that with TRB as well.
mod6: we have very few tests, and we need probably thousands.