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mod6: ah, sounds refreshing
mircea_popescu: a good cocktail is that mix which is better than the sum of the parts.
mod6: i've been saving my last two bottles of borsec :D
mircea_popescu: lol.
mod6: i just made the best BLT+fried egg+cheese sandwiches.
mod6: normally i don't do the egg+cheese. but that was srsly a win.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz from the lint traps, http://the-eye.eu/public/
asciilifeform: some oddballs archived buncha ??? , from microshit isos, to... censored reddits ( http://the-eye.eu/public/ripreddit/ )
asciilifeform: very 1990s flavour.
mircea_popescu: "censored reddits" is about 500% the extant reddit by mass.
asciilifeform: i've nfi
mircea_popescu: item only ever existed as a child porn / assorted bizarro trading ring.
asciilifeform: going by cursory look at the contents , mircea_popescu is ( was ? ) right
mircea_popescu: there's only so much tiresome-unsexed-mayogendered that can be produced. so not much alternative content available.
asciilifeform: http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/ << gotta be single largest collection i've seen to date
mircea_popescu: %20 and everything huh
asciilifeform: the 'wget -m -np -c --no-check-certificate -R "index.html*" "https://the-eye.eu/public/"' listed at the bottom of all pgs, is classy touch imho.
asciilifeform: evidently they like mirrors.
mircea_popescu: http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/Le_002.jpg >> beautiful xreferencing, too. five letter numeric filenames ftw!
asciilifeform: ( i can't think of much use for most of the artifacts, or would mirror )
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why anyone thinks this belongs in a website. it's evidently a tarball.
mircea_popescu: html is HYPERTEXT not hyperdump
asciilifeform: 0 idea where the thing was born or why.
asciilifeform: 'community' link goes to some heathen chat thing, dunwork here
asciilifeform: turbo pascal ( 4 versions!111 ) . nintendo games. peter norton complete works. roms for circa 1990s pcs. mirrors of long-dead ??? sites. ;
asciilifeform: more or less http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537276☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose'
asciilifeform: evidently the hell errybody's dead 1999 hdd , went to.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6 looks
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj
asciilifeform: meanwhile in sads , i go and look and steve dutch's ancient and very entertaining www is... nomoar
asciilifeform: but if this werent sad enuff : guess what :
asciilifeform: d00d is alive and well and... in kolhoz: https://medium.com/@stevedutch by choice !
asciilifeform: ( i can only guess, being prof of geology at uni of wisc. dun pay much ? )
mircea_popescu: magic of disassociative thinking.
mircea_popescu: "nobody would hold this ode to stalin against me, it's fashionable!"
asciilifeform: he's also gone riotously pantsuit
asciilifeform: .. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella
asciilifeform: old age.
douchebag: dissociative thinking? Where's the ketamine at
douchebag: ?
mircea_popescu: veterinarian clinics, usually.
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: hey.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu mod6
mod6: hey hey
mod6: ls
mod6: damnit
mod6: i better get a coffee
asciilifeform: emacs-fiddling, mod6 ?
mod6: naw, i just forget which screen im using
asciilifeform: sorta why folx get separate keyboard, cabling, etc for the missile control console. so not to fughet.
asciilifeform: ( among other reasons )
mod6: i've got like a bunch of computroboxes, a bunch of screens and like four keyboards.
mod6: sometimes i lose track of where I'm at.
asciilifeform: get rid of mousetronic focus, if you haven't yet.
mod6: oh yeah, that's not the thing. I need to maybe tweek the setup here when I get a few minutes.
mod6: lol, wasn't much of a problem when I only had a few boxen :D
mircea_popescu: mod6, you evidently need a pincer helmet.
mod6: heheh, something!
lobbes: Hey mod6, not urgent, but could you create a pizarro banner in an avatar ratio? As much as I like the beachdick avatar I made, it doesn't communicate 'ISP' very well. Here's the size it'd need to be >> https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_138230.png
mod6: i'll figure something out that works better.
mircea_popescu: beachdick ?! oh i gotta see this thing
mod6: hi lobbes
mod6 looks
mod6: ok that beachdick image is 120 x 70 px
mod6: you want something that looks like the others in that size?
lobbes: Yes plox. If yer too busy I can probably do it, but consistency in branding etc.
mod6: I can probably come up with something here today, sure.
lobbes: I like how yours communicate all the selling points in a small space
lobbes: Word. No rush at all. Im in the $saltmines anyways atm
mod6: werd. it's a pretty small space, but I'll see what I can do. i'll hollar when i'm done, Sir.
mod6: ok
lobbes: Ty!
mircea_popescu: lol mod6 finds a new life as a gfx designer for the web
mod6: ikr. haha
mod6: hey lobbes, does tardstalk still let you put a banner or skinny banner in your footer part or whatever (I feel like that used to be a thing?)
mod6: if so, throw me a sample and maybe I can make one of those too.
asciilifeform: !!up |\n
deedbot: |\n voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: |\n: hello...?
|\n: asciilifeform, i feel guilty for getting voiced manually without bringing 0days lol but should i attempt to spread the word across chinese people as well?
asciilifeform: |\n: yes
asciilifeform: chinese, eskimos, whoever.
mircea_popescu: |\n, could you get a nick that's not an absolute pain in the ass to type ?
mircea_popescu: also, register a key already, i'll rate you, then you can self voice.
asciilifeform: ( i dun have high hopes for 'word spreadings' but it is conceivable that somebody, somewhere, is 1) qualified to participate 2) will pull head out of arse for long enuff to actually do it )
mircea_popescu: unassednick, do you live in china ?
asciilifeform: !!up unassednick
deedbot: unassednick voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: unassednick: register a key already.
unassednick: no but i read a group of chinese people who know where the real internet is
asciilifeform: nao i simply gotta ask, unassednick , where exactly is it
asciilifeform: this 'real internet'
mod6: lobbes: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_avatar1.png
unassednick: outside of chinese great firewall, delusionally, yet i somehow feel they are capable in general
asciilifeform: unassednick: so let's see them come here.
mircea_popescu: unassednick, so knock yourself out.
asciilifeform: afaik we dun have anybody who knows cn lang, but virtually any earthling lang will do
asciilifeform: supposedly they have schools over there, and teach'em
BingoBoingo: Alive, pictures coming to the blog today
BingoBoingo: Apparently orc communication device tried to kill me in my sleep last night
BingoBoingo: Battery did not swell, but microusb charger melted to phone's microusb port
shinohai: !!v 65EF6684BE090173923810ECE27F3219732DA54B164030EF7FBB5155EA9A5B35
deedbot: shinohai rated douchebag 1
mod6: Sounds like you need a new phone BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: mod6: Picked one up this morning. Going to get it set up today.
mod6: right on
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in monogamy, https://cdn.mpasho.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/jealous-girls-be-like_o_3140739.jpg
lobbes: mod6: ah perfect! Worx and looks great (the green-on-black catches the eye well imo) >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.0
mircea_popescu: mod6, totally got a green on black fetish, it's clear by now
lobbes: As for signature banners, seems like they have odd rules re: those; I think images aren't even allowed in sigs for $reasons
mod6: lobbes: heey! thanks. ya, looks pretty good on there.
mod6: ah, ok. well, was worth checking on. cheers!
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha, yeah, i've been using it for quite a long time.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: lol, rite? It's become his calling card
mod6: my biz cards are the same way; 0x00ff00 & 0x000000 with courier new
Mocky: trinque, how goes this? I'm quite eager >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821099☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-07 02:21 trinque: Mocky: I'll have something for you to try out in a few days, if you like.
trinque: Mocky: the item from my original post builds again. I've yet to finish gathering everything required by the base system into a genesis vpatch, but that's next in the process. among them, I need to bring in ave1's gcc.
trinque: I will update my original post with the former soon as I'm able, maybe tonight. that won't be "cuntoo", but it'll be enough to get assistance from other folks such as yourself to bring it to completion
Mocky: trinque, this is the original post, correct? http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/
trinque: yep
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in steve dutch's bag o'lulz, https://archive.li/N2Bhn
asciilifeform: ( tldr -- d00d tries, naturally fails, to invent the republic )
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is an entomological connoisseur of 'clever fella tries to invent tmsr but fails on account of defective priors' artifacts. it's sorta like watching intelligent shaman try to build radio using voodoo doll action-at-a-distance, what to expect, fella never heard of electric fields , 'work with what i have!' )
lobbes: Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and say essentially "horde of sybils are okay, as long as each sybil pays subscription fee of $100"
asciilifeform: e.g. the alchemists, also got quite a few points 'right'.
asciilifeform: dutch had not 1 but 2 successful, by internal measures, careers in the belly of the inca ( prof. of geology in 20th c usa , and sgt in army ) , manages to combine cult of centrally-administered 'ordnung' and lip service to 'private property' without any apparent mental friction
asciilifeform: 'homo picketfenceicus' or how did mircea_popescu describe these.
asciilifeform: !!up guestop
deedbot: guestop voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: guestop: hello ?
guestop: hello
asciilifeform: guestop: who are you , and what brings you to #trilema ?
guestop: hm, loper-os.org and c101pa
asciilifeform: guestop: you will probably want to read the chan log, http://btcbase.org/log/ , and make use of the search box, chances are that your q has been answered in the past week
asciilifeform: !#s cr50
a111: 190 results for "cr50", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cr50
asciilifeform: !#s c101pa
a111: 81 results for "c101pa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=c101pa
guestop: thanks, just lurking
asciilifeform: 'just lurking' isn't likely to do much for you, threads have beginnings, and measure in months, years.
asciilifeform: ( and i suspect that there won't be much said re cr50 for a while, currently it is in dead waters )
asciilifeform: guestop: are you working on breaking cr50 yourself ?
guestop: nope, I dont't have such skills :(
asciilifeform: guestop: what skills do you have ?
mircea_popescu: lol hardcore alf
asciilifeform: lol i mean d00d was able to log in, knows how to set nick!11 must know ~something~..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, lobbes you're more patient than me. the only way i can interpret the sort of behaviour is in the bdsm terminology, as brats. and i can't fucking stand brats, not to mention they're the essential pinnacle of idiocy, "i know it dun work but it's more important that it's my dumb idea than that it works".
asciilifeform: who knows, maybe guestop is a master burglar , can go and pinch for us that privkey
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to shaman on deserted island / 5k years ago. it's another thing to moron (literally, the john smith followers, the original morons) in 1910.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, was talking re dutch/locklin/whatever horde of these literate imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: this "ima write poems in chuchka because russian too hard to learn" sorta bs really gets my goat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've found that some septagenarian u.s. academics are moar shaman than smith, do have some measure of native intellect that can be knocked out , potentially, of its inca track
asciilifeform: granted it aint trivial
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see this.
asciilifeform: uncle al had his moments of clarity
mircea_popescu: in my (admittedly, extremely extensive) experience, the only predictor of success is age. 20yo "domme" or "brat" or whatever can make perfectly fine slavegirl and thereby exist and matter. 30yo "submissive", can't.
asciilifeform: hey wasn't it a mircea_popescu article where 'let's not cult of youth'
mircea_popescu: but let's not cult of youth in adults.
mircea_popescu: very much cult of youth in youths.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i to do with a "us academic", ie, a 12 yo captive in a 60yo's body ?
asciilifeform: potentially it's a 1950s 17 y.o., those can possibly work with.
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : how about you prove to me that trinque didn't SAVE US a large pile of value by getting us rid of "reverse engineer" ?
asciilifeform: quite likely that he did.
mircea_popescu: entirely conceivable. who's to know the alternative futures. but the point stands -- the only thing i see when i see one of these old nothings is, "here's a hole you can pour sweat into forever"
asciilifeform: however asciilifeform's measured suspicion is that the hypothetical clueful reverser is moar likely to resemble trinque's d00d than a 20 y.o. douchebag .
mircea_popescu: because this is how they age -- they become ever more elaborate in their idiocy. THIS is the deep meaning of "Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and" : he didn't get anything right.
mircea_popescu: he's just fuzzing the field, is all.
mircea_popescu: grudgingly including bits that he doesn't want to exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that matter is extremely hard to discern.
mircea_popescu: but let's model this properly, for the sake of record :
mircea_popescu: idiot (I) consists of ordered list (L) of statement trees (Ti). each individual statement in each tree is either true or false ; relatedly to this, every tree is either solid or nonsense.
mircea_popescu: aging in the wild, in this model, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of individual Ts in that L grows, so as to avoid removing any of the initial Ts.
mircea_popescu: aging in the republic, contrarywise, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of some Ts shrinks, so as to remove as many Ts and T elements as possible.
mircea_popescu: these processes both directly mimic the evolution of software in empire and republic ; and directly illustrate the problem : aging is a net negative for they outside the republic. it ~decreases~ their value, monotonically, irrespective of any other considerations.
mircea_popescu: the more they spend "thinking", the more they'll have to spend thinking to get rid of the elaborate elucubrations they came up with ; and not even linearly "the more", i'm affraid it's exponential.
asciilifeform: naggum's 'read only brains' , as valuable when aged as a burnt 2007 debian iso
mircea_popescu: and so this is the deep root of what i mean when i say "he didn't get anything right" : the ~only reason~ he included $republican-item in his soup is to support some other batshit insanity ; it's not a root but a frill for him -- as proven by the fact that were it root, it'd have rid him of the batshit he aims to hang on it.
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the moment the idiocy he is protecting goes away, so goes away his perceived need for whatever "he got right" and there you sit, wondering, "hey, i taught you this a year ago, where did it go ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you where : bitch only "learned" it to protect something else thereby.
asciilifeform: well he wants , roughly, the effect ( 'get my 1972 academy of sciences again' or the like) but has no possibly correct priors on which to work. hence shaman's radio.
mircea_popescu: and therein is the problem entire : he wants, and thereby he can never escape the inca. let him want somewhere else, he's soiling my floors.
asciilifeform: what , in the abstract, does he want, that mircea_popescu finds intrinsically retarded ?
asciilifeform: ( i can name example, but curious re what mircea_popescu has in mind )
mircea_popescu: the fact that he wants, i find intrinsically retarded.
asciilifeform: he's not the 1st, nor last, to admit to wishing for a pre-1993 net
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to "wouldn't it be nice..."/
mircea_popescu: it's anotehr thing to "shit, this train's going the wrong way"
mircea_popescu: it's quite another thing to wants ; and yes, he definitely wants, because if he didn't he'd just proceed from cause and would have been here begging his pardons upon the first time he read the logs, rather than fail to do so the 500th.
asciilifeform: chukcha shaman is not lost soul because he wants to communicate over 100km distance, he's a lost soul because he hasn't heard of hertz or maxwell's or at all touched the relevant material
mircea_popescu: no, he's lost soul because he wants to communicate. that upon so wanting he then proceeds to "sate" that want "as best can be done" is not even separable.
mircea_popescu: the only correct approach is "i couldn't give less of a shit about all of it and what's this do ?!"
mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on.
asciilifeform: this is much higher bar than mastering integrals and building radio.
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: it is the natural state ; the idiocy is ~inculcated~, by idiot mothers principally, through ~sexual abuse of children~.
mircea_popescu: that's what it is : he wants, and thereby i know he was raped as a child.
trinque: was just about to say, he's praying, or calling for mother, on his blog there.
asciilifeform: trinque: d00d's a christian, as far as i can tell, possibly (or not , i am not equipped to discern) in the danielpbarron style
mircea_popescu: what style is that ?
asciilifeform: 'trusts in allah but ties the camel'
mircea_popescu: ha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: upstack -- do i misunderstand the model, or is the idea 'troo unbonsaikittened mind , proceeding from cause, will find the republic on own engine power, guaranteed' ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: weren't as recently as yesterday, the thread re btc exchange rates, that we're a fairly small target in fairly large galaxy ?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing ~creative~ here, in the meaning of creative of "you gotta say 39834908503485093485 and you'll never manage this magic number by trying numbers".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, large galaxy ; dood was repeatedly linked from here etc. gimme a break, he knows.
mircea_popescu: the other fucktard in the class was periodically whining his idiocy at me, if i recall.
asciilifeform: he certainly knows nao, i left him a few comments, lol
mircea_popescu: "never heard of allah" is a bit of a joke. got wikipedia, amirite.
mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit.
mircea_popescu: what, is the proposition that i'm some kind of genius ?
mircea_popescu: i'm no genius, i just don't lie to myself.
asciilifeform: well i managed to escape finding mircea_popescu for >1yr ( and even then had to be dug up with excavator ) but possibly i went to wrong kindergarten..
trinque: shit, we gotta hop dimensions and go save counterfactual alf now
asciilifeform: lol
trinque: take the example of esthlos recently, dood was being kinda hard to read, uncommunicative. I jabbed directly at forehead on that matter, and lovely vtron pops out the other side
trinque: good example of working brain
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i sometimes try and apply the excavator to other folx. but it to date always ended the same uninteresting way, and the most parsimonious hypothesis re why is afaik mircea_popescu's
asciilifeform: !#born esthlos
a111: 2017-12-16 <esthlos> hello
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752137
asciilifeform: oh hey thx phf , shows the link nao
phf: in before mircea_popescu's "must be one line"
asciilifeform: i'd be content with just the link
asciilifeform: ~6mo from birth to useful proggy, is pretty great imho.
asciilifeform: !!up nikki_ff_
deedbot: nikki_ff_ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: nikki_ff_: do you know how to talk ?
asciilifeform: !!up nikki_ff
deedbot: nikki_ff voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: phf, it should be one line.
asciilifeform: trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation)
mircea_popescu: anyway, no shortage of examples, trinque came in, asked specific questions, got specific answers, blew his mind away, changed his nick.
mircea_popescu: or recently Mocky fellow. or so on.
mircea_popescu: functioning brain is not imaginary object.
asciilifeform: trinque: ( somewhat unsurprisingly, i found that they cut the tracks. bastards knew what they were doing. )
asciilifeform: iirc trinque came in via ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: ( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch
lobbes: Hell, I came in and started reading logs in mid 2014. Took me damn near 2 years to grok what I was reading and finally produce something useful
lobbes: Lucky for me, my Ti branches were easy to prune: I simply had to grow a shit-ton of Ts
asciilifeform: lobbes: i suspect that mircea_popescu nails it, prolly unlikely that anybody will ever overcome the radiation damage from being 70 y.o. and collecting usg pensions
asciilifeform: it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad
asciilifeform: ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , asciilifeform does not believe that dutch was necessarily a defective 20 y.o. )
mircea_popescu: !#born undata
a111: 2014-10-17 <undata> mircea_popescu: ty
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-17#879132
asciilifeform: ( dutch, for instance, signed up to shoot communists in vietnam. was this necessarily act of a defective 20yo ? )
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: i don't have any clue of what dood was when he was 20 yo ; but he ain't it now.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: wolf-child, incapable of speech, is also not thereby necessarily "was retarded 2yo".
mircea_popescu: point is, when he was 2yo he didn't use his brain in the manner of people ; but in the manner of wolves. that window of brain plasticity meanwhile closed, and if he'll never be a very good wolf, he's certainly not getting to enroll to people university.
mircea_popescu: and so is dutch stuck with the academia. and so is boring-40yo stuck with "her family". and so on.
mircea_popescu: when we originally met, chet was more than twice my age. she got a divorce and moved to romania of all places. so no, it's not impossible. but then again, the chain of possibility is an ~unbroken~ thing, much like the chain of blocks or the chain of trust.
mircea_popescu: if it's broken you can make predictions.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824840 << why not save that shit for oh, iono, the DMV? do you tell the fucking IRS "i'll get to it when i get to it"? no, you stand in line/wait on hold for three hours, thrilled as fuck to say "urr, hurr, yes sir" at the endless tide of bullshit, then come here and practice what you should've said to them, to us? completely fucking misdirected.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 01:55 cnomad: i'll get to it when i get to it
mircea_popescu: and to bring this to a very plain example, the reason ~natural~ slavegirl says http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/#selection-3537.0-3539.57 is because she correctly intuits that the whole basis is "i've never said no to you", ie, unbroken chain of obedience. (and the reason she's a natural is exactly that she intuits this sort of thing, and so on.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some folx are loose enuff in the glue trap that energetic particle can knock'em out of it
mircea_popescu: hanbot, ikr ? somehow this never occurs to the idiots.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, woman even said this somewhere, i dun recall where, possibly on one of her meanwhile disappeared blogs, that "i used to think my walls were white then you sat there and against your shirt they looked grey".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not know where originally written, but it was reproduced in your obit
mircea_popescu: what loose what glue trap ? you're either looking or you're not looking ; and if you're not looking a) age dun improve anything and b) god himself riding on a pogo stick can'd help you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah ok then.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-333.158-333.312
mircea_popescu: there we go.
asciilifeform can usually peg these 1 or 2 nodes away from the epicenter in the graph, from memory
mircea_popescu: and yeah, do you realise this, i wasn't even wearing black shirts until some point past bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: if one's into sads, one should look at what's left of anarchism, in the contemporary pantsuit retellings.
asciilifeform: what's left of pretty much errything, lol
mircea_popescu: for some reason that was a most delicious unhappening & rehapenning target.
asciilifeform brb,meat
ben_vulpes: https://concorde.ua/rs/daily/item_72528/ << in bizarro international contract-rewriting news from last year
ben_vulpes: "the stockholm international arbitration court cancelled retroactively the take-or-pay clause forseen in the 2009 contract with Russia's Gazprom"
ben_vulpes: "While the rulings of the Stockholm court were not made public...Naftogaz managed to avoid Gazprom's major claim ... almost 60% of Ukraine's GDP", so is this "the poor ukranians can't actually even pay the penalty, so we're cancelling the clause"?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the ukrs get ~phree fuel, for 'reasons'
ben_vulpes: what 'reasons'?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: chiefly that ru doesn't want a full blown syria on its border
asciilifeform: ( it can absorb, apparently, a coupla 100k runaway ukrs per yr, but not 'all of them at once' )
ben_vulpes: why the very expensive gazprom clause then?
asciilifeform: gotta at least try to recoup cost, neh
asciilifeform: observe that lolmart does not hand out food for 100% phree, either
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom; for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day; and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production
asciilifeform: ( until 2014-present round of ukrwank, there was not particularly large incentive to do said replacement , trade ~worked )
asciilifeform: ru remains by and large the ~only trading partner of the ukrs (~nobody else wants any of their shit even for free)
asciilifeform: for a while they have passable chocolate (roshen corp, having privatized su-era confectionaries) but today even it is inedible, having finally gone full bore soy crapola
asciilifeform: the rocket nozzle etc. plants , from what i hear, are in full throttle 'termite hollowing' mode as we speak, being sawed apart and carted away by various foreigners for fire sale prices
asciilifeform: ( the time for ben_vulpes to go there, and maybe do some hunting, is prolly nao or never )
asciilifeform: the folx referred to in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818497 thread, were actually discussing the matter☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform late evening, listening to elderly ukrs derp on shortwave re horror of their neet chillunz derping on ipnojes; where to read re antennae design; putin.
asciilifeform: 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers.
ben_vulpes: interesting stuff, ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: most of this, is no sort of seekrit, ftr
asciilifeform: ( the ukrs are somewhat inadherent to even concept of secret, they make usg look light a tight operation )
asciilifeform: *look like
asciilifeform: they are also undergoing, since even prior to '14, a kind of 'reverse fire sale', with joys of the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498362 kind☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 19:30 asciilifeform: last i recall, they fitted 'general electric' fuel rods to the 1 remaining sov reactor, it is a pop waiting to happen
asciilifeform: dumping ground market ( while they've got anything to spend ) for rubbish that even ru folx won't buy
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825578 << fuck them and their lukewarm http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-123.521-123.558 bullshit.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 21:35 asciilifeform: 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers.
mircea_popescu: whore GETS TO WORK. yes naked, yes on hands and knees, yes right nao.
mircea_popescu: whore lines are "hey, do you want me to tell you a joke ? if it's not fukky you can fun me for free" not fucking hilary clintonisms & naggingisms a la "let me tell you some shoulds"
mircea_popescu: in other words, elderly ukrs got insufficient assfucking, i hope their childrens get sold to fight in africa. what fucking iphones.
asciilifeform: pretty clearly insufficient.
mircea_popescu: if i can't something it's an argentine.
asciilifeform: was the subj of thread, ukrs being given an undeservedly soft landing onto the inevitable spike pit at considerable expense , by ru et al
asciilifeform: i've nfi how they've managed to stretch out their pile of su-era 'white man built' goodies, into ~30yrs of derping. must've been one hell of tall pile.
mircea_popescu: or maybe the surrounding atmosphere also sunk
mircea_popescu: but in other lulz : these little orcs here, they fucking love soccer. love it. and it's the world cup, and their group is... serbia. and brazil.
mircea_popescu: it'll be a wonder if they score one goal. but they're excited!!!
mircea_popescu: chicks in team colors going down the street and whatnot. banks falling over each other to sell world cup branded banknonsense
hanbot fully expects the cr team to ask .rs and .br if there's anything they can do to help them kick their own asses
mircea_popescu: poor guys ;/
BingoBoingo: The orks here have... the saudis, Russia, and Egypt in their group
mircea_popescu: uruguay has some history at least.
BingoBoingo: Well, they have won. Their lack of ambiton though... Everyone is talking like making the QUARTER FINAL is the stretch goal they are cheering for...
BingoBoingo: And they've won several times... plural I have been told
BingoBoingo: First time they won was maybe a kilometer away from here though
BingoBoingo: In a civilizations that don't have taboos against ambition, they'd be cheering to win