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ben_vulpes: decimation: re gossipd errything's gonna have to be reimplemented atop it
decimation: or the gossipd thing
trinque: artifexd: gossipd when!
asciilifeform: gossipd is strictly necessary - if only for authenticable nodes
decimation: I guess I mean something like gossipd
mircea_popescu: decimation gossipd is not ready yet. freenode you mean ?
ascii_field: and even this, only after we get it carried over gossipd
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 23:10:19; mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/confi
mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/configfile arg to specify external ip for ☟︎
mod6: <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow.
ascii_field: i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd
mircea_popescu: like, you knock off to decimation and two friends over gossipd "can you ploxpoint your microtelescope at the x y z and send me the dump ?"
pete_dushenski: or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake
kakobrekla: hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots
BingoBoingo: gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:13:08; BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd???
BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd??? ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: artifexd: how goes gossipd?
trinque: hm, so this is a perfect example of a gossipd use case
asciilifeform: and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd.
mircea_popescu: Hasimir you should probably look into gossipd while at it, to understand why we think very little indeed of all these "solutions" or w/e they are, colored sugar beads.
mircea_popescu: so what, we're not going to allow the us in gossipd ?
mats: gossipd would be pretty good for cnc servers
assbot: 103 results for 'gossipd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossipd
mircea_popescu: !s gossipd
mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ once gossipd is done, i guess there.
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:14:04; jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion
jurov: so if, say i start doing coinbr support over gossipd, and i transfer it, have to ask everyone to update their /etc/hosts?
davout: jurov: the naming in gossipd is supposed to be local
jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion ☟︎
danielpbarron: the gossipd thing
trinque: reduces to a gossipd device maybe
asciilifeform: reduces, in the end, to 'gossipd'
mircea_popescu: you won't be able to make browser gossipd that'd for damned sure.
trinque: gossipd as I understand it readily supports that
trinque: Citizenfive: it appears one of the goals of the gossipd network is for the topology of the network to be the topology of the WoT
danielpbarron: gossipd has similar feature
mircea_popescu: i am simply not interested in that sort of centralisation. i also think it's stupid, and self-defeating, and in no way different from you know, making gossipd on windows vista.
mircea_popescu: introducing the gossipd style of comms changes nothing at all, merely makes this divide palpable, like that famous japanese butcher's following of the lines already there.
gabriel_laddel: - gossipd (check logs)
trinque: so how about that gossipd
davout: mats: this seems to be supporting mp's thing "bitcoin can only work over gossipd"
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 18:21:31; trinque: best thing about gossipd is probably going to be writing software around it
trinque: best thing about gossipd is probably going to be writing software around it
mircea_popescu: bitstein inasmuch as you want a central repository, you're stuck with a central repository. if you look into the design papers / discussions around gossipd, this is also a well solved problem, just,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063058 << that's basically gossipd. ☝︎
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: gossipd
mircea_popescu: incidentally, "bbs where every user runs his own nntp server" is a) a better implementation of irc, which is a better implementation of bbs, which is dead tech and b) exactly where gossipd is going.
Adlai: bitcoin-over-gossipd is rather useless without miners in the wot
ben_vulpes: but i suppose that's what gossipd's for
artifexd: While interesting, that doesn't affect gossipd because I'm using lower level networking.
artifexd: gossipd status: http://i.minus.com/ibaDjk7AeIcvxv.gif
Adlai: the more i think about it, the more it seems that nicks are a second layer on top of the wot, provided by specific wot nodes - either a centralized nick->node mapping like assbot, or individual gossipd configs
Adlai: you can have a wot (and anything built on top, such as gossipd) without nicks entering the equation
mircea_popescu: you mean to bridge ro and gossipd ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: gossipd requires C. PGP, CL (at least, this is where I'd start).
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: you had a alternate name for gossipd based on russian theater that had some relation to the nazis. I couldn't find the wiki article again, care to point me to it?
gabriel_laddel: as for my id, I'm currently fixing <irritant to livelihood>. First chance I get I'm sitting down and sorting out the whole GPG thing. As it stands I was not particularly happy with the documentation it supplied and wasn't sure which parts I'd have to rewrite. My previous key got destroyed in a failed backup becuase I didn't spend enough time on it the first time around. Also, I don't think gossipd is happening via w
the_scourge: speaking of greenfield, what was the reason for greenfielding a re-implementation of psycd? (assuming gossipd has already been written)
the_scourge: is gossipd this psycd-like symetrically encrypted UDP IM protocol?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd.
punkman: artifexd, maybe some relevant ideas for gossipd in that spec
mircea_popescu: artifexd: Current gossipd status: Education still in progress. Code to the point of loading keys and accepting connections. << sounds pretty good.
artifexd: Current gossipd status: Education still in progress. Code to the point of loading keys and accepting connections.
mircea_popescu: irc should probably stay because a) it doesn't actualy do anything atm and b) it will be an easy upgrade to gossipd
mircea_popescu: "all internet security is a slow, half-assed, dubious reimplementation of gossipd. pity gossipd itself doesn't exist yet."
hanbot: that's why you were so aghast over gossipd.go?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well really it was a point from ever since gossipd was discussed, but w/e, not mature yet.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes. which is why the only sane way for bitcoi nnodes to work is gossipd
mircea_popescu: TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet.
TomServo: Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.
BingoBoingo: undata: Wait until they demand the new reference bitcoin client and gossipd build on windows
mircea_popescu: kinda hoping that the by-default gossipd keystore system may be enough
asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35674.pdf << usg's gossipd.
mircea_popescu: well, once completed gossipd actually is a fully decentralized wot keeper, sure.
Adlai: won't gossipd mitigate this to some extent?
mircea_popescu: davout undata gossipd can well be a year or two away.
davout: and notary would be connected through asswot's gossipd's node anyway
davout: greatly simplifies the problem, don't see too much downside to it, and we're eventually moving to gossipd anyway
decimation: perhaps that quote should be gossipd's motto
mircea_popescu: kinda why stuff like the wot-foss i was discussing and even gossipd are so important
mircea_popescu: artifexd not to be taken lightly this. a lot can be compromised in gossipd crypto.
artifexd: How could the crypto routines be compromised in a way that would matter? Weak key generation? gossipd doesn't generate keys. Weak rng during encryption? I pick the rng (and can offer an option for you to supply your own). Encrypting a message with an "extra" key so peet can read it? That should be easy to see in the code.
mircea_popescu: mips gossipd ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: I may have missed it in the logs, but is someone explicitly working on an assbot with gribble functionality or are we going to wait for wotnet / gossipd? << kakobrekla has been, for a while now
gabriel_laddel: I may have missed it in the logs, but is someone explicitly working on an assbot with gribble functionality or are we going to wait for wotnet / gossipd?
mircea_popescu: artifexd: <BingoBoingo> A gossipd-net of keyservers would be divine << I like it << kinda how it has to work anyway
artifexd: <BingoBoingo> A gossipd-net of keyservers would be divine << I like it
ben_vulpes imagines gossipd clients
BingoBoingo: A gossipd-net of keyservers would be divine
Adlai: regarding how to block gossipd: same way that torrents are "blocked"... either by ultimately ineffective packet filtering by ISPs, or by targeted, expensive, and extreme "making examples of" individuals that fuck up badly enough
asciilifeform: lizardgoering probably reviewed gossipd and answered, 'mein fuhrer, it's yet another pgp isomorph.' hitler: 'directorate 7b. next.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm curious what the gossipd "counter" strategy is going to be. 've not had the pleasure of finding anything yet.
mircea_popescu: everything gossipd uses is thereby forked and frozen.
asciilifeform: if you're doing crypto-whatever (e.g., 'gossipd') and you're gonna process signatures from pgp
artifexd: One more question: Any objection to adding a timestamp to the trust ratings in gossipd?
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, that's kind of what that's designed with in mind. if we get quantum boxes, gossipd will be the killer app for it)
mircea_popescu: instead, people having in their house the quantum equiv of gossipd
mircea_popescu: same for gossipd.