danyalos: I am here because a close friend of mine told me that I should read #Bitcoin-assets often to learn a couple of things.
danyalos: So here I am.
BingoBoingo: Cool
danielpbarron: brenda's friend
danyalos: Do I know you, danielpbarron?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 48(Y):52(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.54145355 BTC. Current weight: 94,718.
danielpbarron: danyalos, not yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00029735 = 4.3116 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: danyalos: Gossip(tm) travels fast
danyalos: I thought spammers would not be allowded here.
BingoBoingo: Depends on one's definition of spam
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/
assbot: Spamming reddit, an "experiment". pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXezs6 )
trinque: !up danyalos
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 22.93804235 BTC. Current weight: 45,539.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128400 @ 0.00029593 = 37.9974 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20 << historic lulz
assbot: WW2 justified by former German soldiers - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXnE3Z )
TheNewDeal: ;;Market -all
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "-all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
TheNewDeal: ;;marker
gribble: Error: "marker" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;Market
gribble: Error: "Market" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;quit
gribble: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 252.29, vol: 21409.77003160 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 248.214, vol: 23659.70593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 252.6, vol: 92831.71285624 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 263.19, vol: 58.0251376 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 251.665018, vol: 189755.23020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 257.47999, vol: 37.66223963 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 264.65119109, vol: 282.21659006 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
brendafdez: !up danyalos
TheNewDeal: :)
TheNewDeal: I was wondering how long it would take the No side to take https://bitbet.us/bet/1129/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-to-drop-under/#b8
assbot: BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June :: 1.23 B (48%) on Yes, 1.32 B (52%) on No | closing in 1 month 4 weeks | weight: 94`666 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXr4E7 )
brendafdez: I'm missing out on bitbet, never cared much about it
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It gets interesting, just takes time to internalize what is truly interesting about it.
brendafdez: I read the trilema posts, that's a start
BingoBoingo: BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/16/interlude-the-big-bets/
assbot: Interlude: Sport betting isn't that big, Here's what is | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZVeGq )
brendafdez: Insurance as in hedging?
brendafdez feels so ignorant.
TheNewDeal: Sure.
TheNewDeal: Hurricane insirance, theyve got it all
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 72.33330426 BTC. Current weight: 89,368.
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Insurance limited only by your imagination and wallet
BingoBoingo: So the Vessenes Foundation is not as sophisticated at vote diddling as East StL http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/east-st-louis-mayor-files-as-write-in-candidate-for/article_e4966c68-f4ec-5964-8d75-cd8a226c3385.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZZBRS )
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << jurov, would it be feasible to get links to the relevant emails in which patches were transmitted on this page
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZZDZT )
ben_vulpes: as in: i'd like the sole entry under submitted by to link to the appropriate sig, as well as all of the entries under 'signed by' as well.
ben_vulpes: (perhaps a link to the email list page for the email in which a given patch/signature was transmitted would be even better)
mircea_popescu: !up beetcoin
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
ben_vulpes: upstorm!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14798 @ 0.00029439 = 4.3564 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware anyone thinks ww2 was avoidable ?
gabriel_laddel: Oh thanks.
nubbins`: ty
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: poor old guy. basically... you're stuck with your own history. once you're old enough, all that's left is explaining it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linked to illustrate that ^ observation.
mircea_popescu: mhm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76350 @ 0.00029784 = 22.7401 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 25.0646 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 132.9781122 BTC. Current weight: 48,841.
TheNewDeal: Wow
decimation: "We are in contact with the University chapter of Kappa Sigma and they have taken swift and decisive action in this matter. At their request, the University has committed to provide educational training on diversity and respect for the entire fraternity." << asciilifeform: I could imagine this exact phrase being written in the soviet union
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz4ldoJGIh1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg << nice guys don't look at the boobage.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H05NsZ )
decimation: "Komsomol will take swift action"
mircea_popescu: decimation the "at their request ... educaitonal training" is more concerning.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they know it's nothing short of abuse, hence the "educational training" gauche
mircea_popescu: http://www.wired.com/2009/09/fmrisalmon/ btw
assbot: Scanning Dead Salmon in fMRI Machine Highlights Risk of Red Herrings | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwA9tE )
decimation: asciilifeform: the macrofab guy actually did an impressive amount of follow-up
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-03-2015#1051932 < "..." meaning? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 17:02:57; nubbins`: gabriel_laddel:Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? <<< ...
ben_vulpes: how is this thread still alive...
ben_vulpes: "earth's premiere clown car and pornography club" << howzat
gabriel_laddel: I'm (in an ad-hoc manner) catching up on logs.
ben_vulpes: oh.
ben_vulpes: well don't mind me.
decimation: so he basically subbed a dead short for your capacitor
[]bot: Bet placed: 10.16739699 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 82.50070126 BTC. Current weight: 89,332.
[]bot: Bet placed: 5.0356048 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.97364715 BTC. Current weight: 45,410.
brendafdez: ;;buy 1000 USD 12.7 ARS "cash in bs as - price current as of 2015-03-18 updates daily - me@brendafernandez.com to place order"
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
brendafdez: ops
mircea_popescu: actually clown car is probably the worst description. for one thing, b-a's not funny.
mircea_popescu: for the other, most of the usual clowns hate it.
brendafdez: ;;ident brendafdez
gribble: Nick 'brendafdez', with hostmask 'brendafdez!~brendafde@unaffiliated/brendafdez', is identified as user 'brendafdez', with GPG key id CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, key fingerprint 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, and bitcoin address None
brendafdez: ;;buy 1000 USD 12.7 ARS "cash in bs as - price current as of 2015-03-18 updates daily - me@brendafernandez.com to place order"
gribble: Order id 22093 created.
brendafdez: does it make sense?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113100 @ 0.00029784 = 33.6857 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: nope ,,(view 22093)
brendafdez: :(
danielpbarron: needs "at" between USD and 12.7
danielpbarron: ;;view 22093
gribble: #22093 Wed Mar 18 22:04:08 2015 brendafdez BUY 1000.0 USD @ 12.7 ARS (cash in bs as - price current as of 2015-03-18 updates daily - me@brendafernandez.com to place order)
danielpbarron: never
danielpbarron: nevermind
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold " http://bitbet.us/bet/976/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.68419713 BTC. Current weight: 14,495.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00029784 = 5.3462 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: bitcoin parity with various things is now a sexy bet.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --market xau
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'butter', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --currency xau
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --market bitstamp --currency xau
gribble: Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.228321, Best ask: 0.229068, Bid-ask spread: 0.00075, Last trade: 0.228123, 24 hour volume: 22002.37678990, 24 hour low: 0.2241, 24 hour high: 0.2556, 24 hour vwap: 0.23923387779
TheNewDeal: Bitcoin market to reach parity of nyse on mar 1 2020.
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.43, Best ask: 254.52, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 254.45, 24 hour volume: 101179.88568595, 24 hour low: 246.98, 24 hour high: 285.03, 24 hour vwap: None
decimation: I wonder how much manipulation is going on before some of those ETFs hit the pink sheets
BingoBoingo: Quite a bit prolly
decimation: well, now is the time to buy
ben_vulpes: i'll take a few
ben_vulpes: or...i would.
asciilifeform: decimation: subbed a dead short for your capacitor << not a dead short, an inductor-capacitor chimera. perfectly legit item, just not what was specced.
asciilifeform: http://www.pbfcomics.com/271 << shiva hands!
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0J4OJ )
asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'that's not shiva' nitpick
decimation: ah. well, dc-short more or less
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'that's not shiva' nitpick << lol dong-nose
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like ganesha is puching *through* jesus
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000068.html << congrats to ben_vulpes and mod6
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19B9FXn )
nubbins`: ben_vulpes earth's premiere cheese club
decimation: I like mod6's ascii-style
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00030003 = 8.1008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135139 @ 0.00029746 = 40.1984 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: thanks asciilifeform && decimation :]
mod6: thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: all kudos to mod6, all critiques to me
ben_vulpes: oh man emacs mangled that email.
ben_vulpes: ah well, onwards and upwards, as they say.
ben_vulpes: i've a whole lifetime to decruft my emacs mail situation.
mod6: thanks for all your help ben_vulpes. couldn't have done it without you.
ben_vulpes: nonsense i didn't do nuffin
BingoBoingo: Congrats to yall
mod6: thanks to everyone who helped out.
mod6: you guys made this happen. you're the real bitcoin heros.
ben_vulpes: yeah asciilifeform thanks for holding our toes to the fire
mod6: ^^^
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron, decimation, et al
mod6: ^^^
ben_vulpes: it's culty circle-jerk time, y'all!
mod6: :]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: per "asciilifeform: all kudos to mod6, all critiques to me" mod6 get the girls plural, you get singular girl. In the tradition of mp/kako BitBet tradition.
mod6: Thanks to TomServo && Punkman && danielpbarron && trinque && thestringpuller && BingoBoingo
mod6: mircea_popescu && jurov!
mod6: And anyone who I'm leaving out... thanks again.
ben_vulpes: btw, we think this is the first publically-released static bitcoin build.
ben_vulpes: well, recipe at least.
mod6: I think so too.
trinque: great job guys
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << please take a look at this list, and the patches we've rolled out with the RI build. if you've time, inclination, and capability - review the patches and submit your sigs.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWjFv )
ben_vulpes: don't sign if you haven't read.
ben_vulpes: this is a pretty good set to get started with - mostly snips.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: mod6 lives too far away from civilization to make keeping a harem practical :P
ben_vulpes: well
ben_vulpes: recruiting
ben_vulpes: i'm sure mircea_popescu will take me to task for that but w/e
ben_vulpes: okay qntrites, your turn.
asciilifeform: perhaps for next snapshit,
asciilifeform: the 'gitignores' can go
asciilifeform: (they're in the tarball still...)
asciilifeform: snapshot.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what's the elisp doing in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000070.html ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWT6c )
ben_vulpes: i think it comes of me supplying application/gpg manually for attachment content type
ben_vulpes: i *really* have no idea.
ben_vulpes: anyways
ben_vulpes to steak
ben_vulpes: have a good night, you all.
mod6: have a good night ben_vulpes, thanks again. :]
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/public_access/ < apparently usg will require some level of public access to usg-funded research papers
assbot: US NSF - News - Special Reports - Public Access to Results of NSF-funded Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLXN2s )
decimation: I'm sure that some kind of loophole will protect the existing publishing empires
asciilifeform: decimation: it's threatened to happen for more than a decade, yes
asciilifeform: but even the linked item contains 'Be available for download, reading and analysis free of charge no later than 12 months after initial publication'
asciilifeform: which is a mega-laugh
decimation: yeah, and even then I expect all of those words don't mean what you think they mean
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: but even if it were true - still a joke. picture, full year's embargo.
decimation: well, no problem for a hobbyist
decimation: certainly a problem if one wishes to 'compete' for bezzlars
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113604 @ 0.00029325 = 33.3144 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: the same folks who were paying the parasites (i will not call them publishers, they withhold only - performing not a single one of the traditional functions of a publishing house save the physical printing) - will continue to pay.
asciilifeform: decimation: depends what sort of hobbyist
asciilifeform: and to the extent it isn't a problem, it is solely because academia is mostly dead as a going concern
decimation: I'm personally pissed that the IEEE (I pay for membership) only gives me a tiny, tiny slice of their papers
asciilifeform: why still paying, again ?
decimation: I'm a member of the communications society - you have to pay more to get access to their journal
decimation: well, they have good group insurance rates
decimation: the other thing that annoys me is djb's complaint: http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html < IEEE is more than happy to charge you for copyright-free papers
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMBPRS )
decimation: IEEE is also famous for 'fake conference' scams
BingoBoingo: This combination acedamiwank/chumpatron occupied too much of my time in Library school
decimation: BingoBoingo: the libraries are in on it insofar as they are a funnel of cash to the journal houses
BingoBoingo: decimation: It is more the University admins who budget for this hoping they might have someone on the faculty to wins their lottery ticket for them. It is essentially exactly a lottery mentality.
asciilifeform: quite a few 'civilians' don't believe me when i explain that the 'publishers' do not edit, or - in most cases - even typeset the submissions; and that not only do authors receive no royalties, but often -pay- page costs
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, for instance the IEEE demands you assign them copyright
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the term of art, iirc, is 'tournament market'
asciilifeform: !s tournament market
assbot: 8 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724168 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724169 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 01:51:50; asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward,"
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 01:51:51; asciilifeform: d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. '
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah that makes sense, I always wonder why the administration seems 'friendly' to spending large piles of money on the publishing scamzors
asciilifeform: the textbook divisions of the same houses rape the undergrads, also to the enthusiastic applause of the faculty (who get kickbacks)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: yeah that makes sense, I always wonder why the administration seems 'friendly' to spending large piles of money on the publishing scamzors << As a class nearly all librarians dislike this because even when they publish anything is too niche to win. Spending on this stuff is also an extraordinary part of their budget.
asciilifeform: the basic 'zoological' observation here is that there is no such thing as a chumpatron of this size which stays 'single-layered' indefinitely. at a certain point, smaller fleas show up to go on the backs of the fleas, and so ad infinitum
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I've heard the latest scam for undergrads is to 'custom publish' a book for each class, which consists of portions of older texts with all of the sections and excercises renumbered
asciilifeform: decimation: in one form or another, this has been going on for at least two decades.
asciilifeform: decimation: the latest scam i personally know of is the 'www homework membership'
decimation: paid website for excercises?
asciilifeform: where a used copy of the book literally doesn't let you pass the class because its homework account code (yes) is already spent.
asciilifeform: this was, as i understand, a reaction to folks scanning bookz
asciilifeform: the parasite scum went, 'fine, we don't care if you want the dead tree to carry around or not, but you'll pay.'
decimation: 'homework account code'?
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: are the homeworks online?
decimation: or do they use robo-grading?
asciilifeform: chumper has to register with publisher to do the exercises, yes
asciilifeform: typically robo-graded
asciilifeform: hence incentive for the profs
decimation: I can't believe any moral person would sign up for this kind of thing
asciilifeform: the textbook racket is in some ways inevitable - the kids with access to $maxint in loans are walking bags of delicious meat from the standpoint of ten thousand kinds of flea
asciilifeform: and given as they are virtually never spending money which is -their own- in any palpable sense - they don't resist nearly as much as might be expected
asciilifeform: what's a $300 book compared to the $100k tuition.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the textbook racket is in some ways inevitable - the kids with access to $maxint in loans are walking bags of delicious meat from the standpoint of ten thousand kinds of flea << Not to mention many professors will accomodate students without $maxint doing otherwise.
decimation: asciilifeform: the $maxint bubble is growing even larger > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-18/young-adults-are-losing-all-hope-of-buying-a-starter-home > "The student loan debt burden rose 8 percent, to $1.16 trillion, last year. Most of that debt—65 percent—was owed by borrowers under 40 years old. "
assbot: Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MM0P72 )
asciilifeform: the hidden text in this crap is 'let's print more hoap'
asciilifeform: and where do these cheap clowns get off calling debt peonage 'ownership' ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah note that 8% annual rate is more than any reasonable fixed income investment
decimation: usg is all about illusioning every problem away
asciilifeform: '"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.'
asciilifeform: ^ phixed
asciilifeform: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-18/boston-non-profit-wants-to-put-grown-ups-back-in-dorms << ahahahahaha.
assbot: Boston Nonprofit Wants to Put Grown-Ups in Dorms - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBKuQJ )
asciilifeform did predict.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
decimation: sheparding conflicts between chumpatrons
asciilifeform: 'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas. Specifically, the report suggests building 10,000 units that make up for cramped living quarters by including shared lounges, health clubs, and shared areas for study, m
asciilifeform: usic practice, or launching a technology startup. For young tenants really interested in cutting costs, some could be built with shared kitchens.'
asciilifeform: '... In that light, building smaller units for cash-strapped millennials who need to live in a tight housing market sounds like a sensible solution—helping young people find more affordable housing and preserving larger units for the families that need them. Still, as the single-family starter home becomes less viable, do initiatives like this doom millennials to spending their twenties living in dorms?'
decimation: " families that need them."
BingoBoingo: !up adam_obrien
decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps the dorms can be designed like a soviet apartment block
asciilifeform: but with less space yet.
asciilifeform: how they will be designed - is no mystery, there were already built here where i live
asciilifeform: just not pitched to 'adults' quite yet.
asciilifeform: less space because the inhabitants are not expected to reproduce
decimation: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2013/01/7284318/bloomberg-unveils-those-tiny-tiny-manhattan-apartments < related "For the first time in New York City, a multi-unit building will (legally) consist entirely of what the city has dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet."
assbot: Bloomberg unveils those tiny, tiny Manhattan apartments | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBKLmW )
BingoBoingo: dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet." << Generous bastards
decimation: asciilifeform: the inhabitants are expected to spend 100% of their income in 'consumption'
asciilifeform: 370 is not a 'coffin hotel' by any measure
asciilifeform: that's my old flat minus a room.
asciilifeform: also ancient newspiece, presumably that anthill is already packed to bursting point
asciilifeform: 'Here's why millennial villages might be a good idea. Boston doesn't have enough small apartments to satisfy demand from young adults and their boomer-parents. Millennials in particular have responded to the small-unit shortage by doubling and tripling up in housing originally built for middle-income families. That trend has helped drive up the average sales price of a single unit in one of Boston's distinctive triple-decker h
asciilifeform: ouses by 85 percent since 2009, the report found.'
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: obligatory thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996775 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 04:14:00; asciilifeform: it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz
mircea_popescu: check it out, mod6 is getting an oscar.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54a814d32e3f8126fdf28b54fdcccbc/tumblr_mk3cnemPKQ1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg << cheapest anywhere!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBLcxB )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but even if it were true - still a joke. picture, full year's embargo. << i actually don't see much of a problem with this. most "science" is worthless anyway, i currently don't read it if it's less than a coupla decades old on general principle. a year's embargo wouldn't do anything.
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
asciilifeform: see rest of thread
mircea_popescu: myeah.
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mircea_popescu: strange that anyone would even for a single second propose the usg even exists as a going concern,
mircea_popescu: when confronted with stuff such as, you know "quite a few 'civilians' don't believe me when i explain that the 'publishers' do not edit, or - in most cases - even typeset the submissions; and that not only do authors receive no royalties, but often -pay- page costs"
mircea_popescu: seems a very accentuated case of memory hole effect.
asciilifeform: both are 'going concerns' in the sense that they keep a great many folks out of the organ market
mircea_popescu: in this sense, so is my unicorn princess.
asciilifeform: and have enough 'immune system' remaining to avoid digestion by 'isis', pirates, or #b-a thus far
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/journalist-barrett-brown-bears-full-restitution-brunt/
decimation: meanwhile farther up the line, the bond & stock & currency markets wobbled wildly on news that the fed might this time really seriously stop printing money
mircea_popescu: or maybe they have the immunity of no substance.
mircea_popescu: how does air manage to avoid being digested by mammals ? well...
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decimation: but because 'inflation measures' were off, not in june but maybe september, and this time for real
decimation: maybe, unless it isn't
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: it can't stop. this is a foregone conclusion, the us has no austerity way out
mircea_popescu: which is why, in typical usian fashion, they're claiming currently that "austerity is not a way out" in the general.
mircea_popescu: the ridicule of this after their "austerity as only way out" consensus in the 90s is completely lost, also in typical usian fashion.
decimation: 'because reasons'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057347 << heh. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 04:18:01; decimation: I can't believe any moral person would sign up for this kind of thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usa has no 'austerity way' but does have the inevitable убеднение (orlov tried to introduce the term to engl., but it has no good ready translation)
asciilifeform: the 'adult dorms' are one form
mircea_popescu: you can't have moral persons that have delegated their authority. everyone in the us agrees that they're obeying laws because they're laws, not because they're right. consequently, american citizens can not be moral agents.
asciilifeform: убеднение != impoverishment
mircea_popescu: how about "holod" ?
asciilifeform: more like 'poorification'
nubbins`: cheapening
asciilifeform: neh, not quite cheapening
asciilifeform: implication is, sorta, turning down the poverty thermostat on somebody
mircea_popescu: убеднение = downotching
mircea_popescu: as opposed to downshifting.
mircea_popescu: one's voluntary.
asciilifeform: aha mircea_popescu grasps the subtlety here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw is qntra making a "first static bitcoin" post ?
nubbins`: oh right i was gonna fiddle with that
asciilifeform: speaking of that article, notice that even stratfor is still a going concern
asciilifeform: in the usg sense
mircea_popescu: assbot: Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - check it out, being a twentysomething usian kid is a worse fate than being a 20something chinese kid.
asciilifeform: in that a stable of parasites is still drawing fat salaries there, as if nothing whatsoever had happened
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057358 <<< ahahah this. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 04:23:25; asciilifeform: '"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all i care people are still paying to visit graceland.
asciilifeform: yeah but in this case it is as if the occupant had been mummified and nothing detectably changed in the behaviour of the visitors pre- and post-mortem
mircea_popescu: 'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas.
mircea_popescu: what was the fucking soviet term for this,
mircea_popescu: where they put all the peasants that went to town to work
mircea_popescu: incidentally : shared kitchens are absolutely the ONLY way to go high density. gotta let the women become friendly so the tribal structure re-emerges. once they're breastfeeding each other's babies you can start over with the moses desertwalk.
mircea_popescu: five-six thousand years later you'll be launching the titanic!
mircea_popescu: but god did romanians hate this stuff after the war.
mircea_popescu: not that it was avoidable, but it did make for enduring hatred for both communism and russians.
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: worked in ru too
asciilifeform: to give'em enduring hatred for selves
mircea_popescu: im sure.
gabriel_laddel: <mircea_popescu> what was the fucking soviet term for this, << kommunalki?
mircea_popescu: ayup.
mircea_popescu: ironically, neither group (ru, ro) selfhated pre the experience.
mircea_popescu: but the us has been hating itself, quite loudly at that, for decades now.
mircea_popescu: curious what comes out of this creuzet.
gabriel_laddel: since the beginning, that's the whole of puritanism, no?
gabriel_laddel: "don't have fun"
decimation: also note that most of these millenials were raised in relative prosperity in the rich 'burbs of the 80's
decimation: they aren't peasants who only roll shit uphill
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "laughing is evil" (as aptly depicted by eco) and "we are wrong"
gabriel_laddel: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gunshow.htm
assbot: THE ORANGE COUNTY GUN SHOW ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBN1ud )
gabriel_laddel: ^ what happens in the USA
mircea_popescu: i'm curious if it's going to yield some sort of ragnarok-like "the world is doomed" (seems to jive with the "austerity won't work for us so it doesn't work period" self-seeking ignorance) or some sort of ultraviolent civil war of six sides, like in japan
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mircea_popescu: "construction zones that only constructed themselves" fuck, that's SO DAMNED SOVIET!
asciilifeform: we have these here in abundance
mircea_popescu: dude, shakespeare had only part of it. not only is the world a stage, but the same old play is going on endlessly.
asciilifeform: state law (in more than a few states) is that, as al schwartz writes here, fines double (or in 'school zone', quadruple, etc)
asciilifeform: hence eternal 'constructions'
asciilifeform: where nothing ever seems to get constructed
gabriel_laddel: <asciilifeform> we have these here in abundance << I saw one outside the Palo Alto four seasons just the other day... 20 guys just standing around more or less.
asciilifeform: phun phact (also noted by al) - fella who holds the 'stop' sign all day makes 2x what a typical postdoc makes.
mircea_popescu: well he is actually doing something.
asciilifeform: plus benefits, pensions, etc.
decimation: asciilifeform: garbage man too, especially in maryland
decimation bids good evening
gabriel_laddel: I always wonder about the people who see this sort of thing everyday but never connect the dots, how do they internally deal with actual reality? I once flipped through the book Dangerous Thoughts by Yuri Orlov. He claimed that in the soviet collapse people would have multiple "selves". When they would break the law that would be their "off work" I, vs. the at work I who would report such a transgression to the poli
gabriel_laddel: ce.
mircea_popescu: "For the first time in New York City, a multi-unit building will (legally) consist entirely of what the city has dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet." << this is almost exactly it!
mircea_popescu: ;;google garsoniera confort III
gribble: Garsoniera Confort II - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kItltk2J6_8>; Garsoniera confort 1 sporit - zona Trafic Greu ( Mall Libery Center ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si3wu8uw5p8>; Sector 4 - Garsoniera confort 1 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX3yhw2LO90>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: top euro quality, fit for any artist to starve in
BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Working on a piece
asciilifeform: and woah, washing machine !?
asciilifeform: unspeakable luxury
TheNewDeal: Starving artists, the most popular homo sapien once the food supply runs shy
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;google 250 feet to sqm
gribble: Square meters - Square feet units conversion: <http://www.unitsconversion.com.ar/surfaceunitsconversion/squaremeters-squarefeet.htm>; Convert square meter to square foot - area converter: <https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-area-from-m2-to-sqft.html>; Convert 250 square meters to square feet - Answers.com: <http://www.answers.com/Q/Convert_250_square_meters_to_square_feet>
asciilifeform did not have 'own' washamat until the current ~2kBez bldg.
mircea_popescu: rly ?!
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: in flats they are unheard of.
asciilifeform: strictly communal coin-operated things.
mircea_popescu: it came with my $7k a year two level + garden house in ro.
asciilifeform: (that are b0rked half the time)
asciilifeform: 7k/y buys... a parking space. here
asciilifeform: for compact car.
asciilifeform: on 7th floor of public garage.
mircea_popescu: i raised my own artichokes!
asciilifeform exaggerates but only slightly
mircea_popescu: the girlies that lived alone in town generally got 500 sqm apts running 300ish a month.
asciilifeform: 500!?
TheNewDeal: Small town or large city?
asciilifeform: 500 m^2 is ~6 times the space where i live now.
mircea_popescu: timisoara. it thinks itself a major romanian town, but it's more like... well... portland, basically.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, extra zero. 50.
asciilifeform: aha lol
mircea_popescu: my apologies for any popped eyes in the audience.
asciilifeform stuffs eye back in
mircea_popescu: nah, house was 250+200.
mod6: thanks BingoBoingo! although, it'd probably be better to link "first release" to this email: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAbWHo )
asciilifeform still salivates after the 'vibe' of timis.
mircea_popescu: too close to lebanon tho.
mircea_popescu: besides, something tells me you'll salivate after the vibe of any place that's not washington fucking dc.
BingoBoingo: mod6: revised
mod6: tyvm :]
BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would salivate over north stl
asciilifeform: thing is, the 'numeric wank' is just that. more interesting is what chunk of their meager daily coin the folks in each town get fleeced for by the land rackets
asciilifeform: because the 500 (or 50) is cheaper still in the congo than in ro
brendafdez: what would be the point of 500swm all to yourself?
asciilifeform: brendafdez: machines
BingoBoingo: mod6: Check, not you exact suggested revision
BingoBoingo: <brendafdez> what would be the point of 500swm all to yourself? << Vax powered steam table
mircea_popescu: brendafdez depends on what lifestyle. place to throw a party. place to store a lot of books. place to practice some indoor hobby - from kendo to rockstaring.
asciilifeform: brendafdez: i have entire things that i cannot do, for instance, because, while can afford the equipment - cannot, the space.
asciilifeform: and just about everyone i know has some version of this
asciilifeform: you will run into folks, for instance, who will whisper to you that they would have pistol range in their house if they could (a mighty fine idea, if you take care to separate the air flow)
asciilifeform: but picture what it would cost
mircea_popescu: basement isalso good for all the chained bitchez.
asciilifeform: for 1,001 things.
mircea_popescu: or if too old to get it up anymore, prized wine collection.
mircea_popescu: i had a friend with a cask of port.
asciilifeform: amontillado!
mircea_popescu: haha not quite. but the thing did say 1893
asciilifeform: fortheloveofgodmontrezor! (tm)
mod6: BingoBoingo: ah, I see. looks good.
brendafdez: yes, I bet when you have something you end up finding some use for it. My previous apartment had a trunk room, I used it to keep a lot of shit...
asciilifeform: i, for instance, tried to find a thing with a basement, here. but this was just beyond reach. instead i have a shipping-container-shaped 'garden shed'
mircea_popescu: you can't have a basement in the swamp. or good cheese, for that matter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh no, plenty of properties with basements (not all flat elevation here). just $$$$
mircea_popescu: brendafdez how about something simple like, bar and dancing pole ? that's 100sqm right there.
brendafdez: :)
BingoBoingo doesn't get "port" wine
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you get mead ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. As in delivery and understanding the principle. Just don't understand the idea of Port.
mircea_popescu: well, it's a historical accident. on one hand, "this wine is pretty good, could we add shit to it ? maybe make it thicker ?"
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, england had jamaica, only thing it was good for was sugar.
asciilifeform: brendafdez: what is a trunk room ?
mircea_popescu: add one and one. it's how they ended up drinking tea.
brendafdez: spare place to store shit
mircea_popescu: very supportive home market. "oh, our empire building boys abroad found blue rocks ? FINE! we will make hats with them! they're very valuable now!"
BingoBoingo: I'm not a big fan of ticker booze. Higher Etoh content is great. Just thicker devolves into schnapps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aka punishment room. small room no windows where bad girls go to meditate.
brendafdez: asciilifeform not sure if that's the proper word
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: schnapps << i once suggested a drink, 'the kapo' - one part schnapps to one part 'manischewitz'
BingoBoingo: If working the liver, why also push the pancreas closer to diabeetus.
asciilifeform: if you get ^ this, you are qualified for the time machine excursion.
asciilifeform: Leichenträger Zur Wache!
asciilifeform: *zu
BingoBoingo: Etoh has blessed me with plenty of forward moving "time machine" jumps. Never given me the backwards jump to 2003 I'd make so much out of.
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asciilifeform: re: square metrage: on a number of occasions i spoke with tourists and visitors of various kinds from 'orc' lands. who marvelled at hearing of 'american salary' etc. i patiently explained that it's rather like a shabbier version of where they came from with a zero or two welded on to both sides of the household balance sheet. like zimbabwe 'dollar'. normally folks grasp it and face lights up.
mircea_popescu: !up nanashi_
mircea_popescu: the us is principally annoying because of the challenge finding edibles is.
asciilifeform: ^ this is solvable, albeit at astonishing cost
mircea_popescu: any physical location takes well over 100 man-hours of research before it can be livable.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: the folks born and raised on 'eat recycled phood, it's good for the environment And ok for you!' typically don't bother.
asciilifeform: with any of that.
mircea_popescu: they're also dumb.
BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2015/03/neurologists-telling-neurology-jokes.html
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Neurologists telling neurology jokes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAeKEf )
asciilifeform: they're also dumb << that's the interesting part, plenty of folks walking around who are not dumb in the usual sense - but grew up in this bizarre underground ww3 vault where of course the fucking sky is made of cement, what else could it be made of, and why do you use that weirdo archaic word 'sky' anyway, it's 'ceiling'
mircea_popescu: The first time I taught undergraduates I was surprised to learn that most of the students had no ability to judge if their answers seemed plausible. [...] You could ask a question about a guy throwing a football, and answers would range from 1 meter/second all the way to 5000 meters/second. You could ask a question about how far someone can hit a baseball and answers would similarly range from a few meters to a few k
mircea_popescu: ilometers. No one would notice when answers were wildly wrong. [...] Since I began working in the business world I’ve noticed that most people never develop that skill. Stick a number in a sentence and people just mentally run right over it, you might as well have inserted some klingon phrases. Some of the better actuaries do have some nice numerical intuition, but a surprising number don’t. They can calculate,
mircea_popescu: but they don’t understand what the calculations are really telling them, like Searle’s chinese room but with numbers.
mircea_popescu: oh god this is so very true.
mircea_popescu: it's a) exactly my experience and b) the fundamental reason the cattle is despised, actually.
mircea_popescu: it bothers most thinking people, on a very fundamental and not necessarily conscious level, to interact with anyone exhibiting this particular idiocy.
mircea_popescu: people not washing is easier to tolerate. much easier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo, the " and why do you use that weirdo archaic word 'sky' anyway, it's 'ceiling'" is exactly definitorily dumb.
mircea_popescu: how do you define "dumb" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when they fail to grasp 'sky' once taken to the surface ?
mircea_popescu: that could well be just a defense mechanism.
asciilifeform: and were was the numbers thing from ?
mircea_popescu: http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/99197329658/chapter-48-utilitarianism
assbot: Wading In — Chapter 48 - Utilitarianism ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAg1LN )
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: dumb in my head is the situation of one who takes his circumstance, whatever it may be, as the complete story.
mircea_popescu: which is why things like "x animal sought to find its home" makes the animal seem smart, or w/e the opposite of dumb is.
mircea_popescu: it's also the deep reason women have been throughout human society and the centuries been regarded as intellectually inferior : it just so happens that for very good biological reasson they're primed to accept new circumstances.
mircea_popescu: this is related to primate mating.
mircea_popescu: but to the innocent eye, they just look beastly.
asciilifeform: 'Much could be said about this affliction of the mind that causes people to assume that what they do not understand does not matter, that they have reached such a level of omniscience that they no longer need to observe and listen and learn. Having learned enough, some people evidently stop learning altogether. What they learned first is the standard for everything that comes later. That the probably only _truly_ random ele
asciilifeform: ment in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things, seems not even to be underststandable -- they somehow believe that the order they run into them is universalizable and important, that first impressions really tell you everything you need to know about something. I have seen people who have the mental capacity only for the transition from "have not experienced" to "have experienced", and who are unable to ma
asciilifeform: ke a distinction between their observations and their conclusions, such that they are unable to change their conclusions about what they observed. They walk around like they had CD-Rs for brains.'
asciilifeform: ^ obligatory naggum, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3236870273259433@naggum.net.html
assbot: Re: two questions about strings - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAgvkS )
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: so in this perspective, not knowing what the sky is makes one ignorant, not dumb.
mircea_popescu: but correcting my usage of sky makes them dumb, and their ignorance is no excuse.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> assbot: Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - check it out, being a twentysomething usian kid is a worse fate than being a 20something chinese kid. << tell me about
ben_vulpes: about it*
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> five-six thousand years later you'll be launching the titanic! << this is precisely what the "domes in the outback" routine is all about
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> where nothing ever seems to get constructed << oh give over, it's benign retardation
ben_vulpes: build roads out of shit with high thermal expansion coefficients in washington dc, shit's going to crack before your eyes.
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/power-chair-riders/
assbot: Census Data Project Power-Chair Riders Will Outnumber Pedestrians by 2040 | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAiBkU )
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> timisoara. it thinks itself a major romanian town, but it's more like... well... portland, basically. << dude the capital of the occupied coastal territories is remarkable only for being isolated from the retardation of both california and seattle
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> besides, something tells me you'll salivate after the vibe of any place that's not washington fucking dc. << no but you see "muh jaeorb"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> and just about everyone i know has some version of this << my parabolic testing facility, f'r instance.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ^ this is solvable, albeit at astonishing cost << near you maybe. not out here in the sticks.
ben_vulpes: the good veggies, provided you step outside of the corporate-blessed brand sanctuary and actually go to a "farmers market" or the "first permanent tent structure within city limits" are -- surprise -- cheaper than the lettuces shipped up from cali.
ben_vulpes: which given their water problems should surprise precisely nobody.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but you have to send someone to hunt these down and use them.
ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ << might be worth calling out why a static build is noteworthy
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Reaches Release | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAjxWg )
ben_vulpes: also probably i have to write an opinion piece as to what the fuck a reference implementation is for
mircea_popescu: ^ do that.
mircea_popescu: nice editorial entry from bitcoin foundation chair.
ben_vulpes sighs
ben_vulpes: i knew when my pinky was stretching for enter that something was wrong
ben_vulpes: sure boss you got it
ben_vulpes: two weeks
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: writing's important yo.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> but they don’t understand what the calculations are really telling them, like Searle’s chinese room but with numbers. << i tried to have a conversation about amazon's quadcopter delivery system, using an ergodic analysis
ben_vulpes: counterparty fell back to "but don't you see the value in being the company that builds out quadcopters that can actually fly shit places?"
ben_vulpes: sideways jetpack problem
ben_vulpes: with batteries
ben_vulpes: i...apparently cannot argue this one effectively.
mircea_popescu: im missing some stuff here. wut ?
ben_vulpes: amazon, u savvy?
ben_vulpes: up there with aapl in drop shipping.
mircea_popescu: i know there exists a us corp by that name. it originalyl did books, then junk, now hosting.
ben_vulpes: so they've been banging on in public about delivery of small packages by quadrotor.
ben_vulpes: quadrotor, u savvy?
mircea_popescu: yep, ex rf toy, meanwhile useful.
ben_vulpes: rf?
ben_vulpes: oh oh
mircea_popescu: rf toys yeah.
ben_vulpes: anyways. point i'm trying to make is that the fuel cost for putting boxes in trucks and moving them around is vastly lower than fuel costs for putting boxes on quadrotors and derping them around town.
ben_vulpes: quadrotor not even having a glide rate so to speak, and suffering from the jetpack problem.
ben_vulpes: (only efficient use of a jetpack is to go up as high as possible and then glide sidways as far as possible.)
mircea_popescu: well, are you accounting for costs correctly ?
ben_vulpes: probably not, so let's model it.
mircea_popescu: ie, do you count what it costs to run the trucks starting with what it costs to build the roads they run on ?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ << might be worth calling out why a static build is noteworthy << Vessenes foundation seemed to have been doing static builds for the binaries they distribute... Needs more informed finger too elaboarate why this is different...
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Reaches Release | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAkDRR )
ben_vulpes: no but that's not actually a cost to aws business either in the glorious communist states where more dollars are simply printed to maintain infrastrucutre.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: a distributed binary is not the same a binary cooked up on ones own box.
ben_vulpes: who knows what strange is in the former.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sure
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the (national) gas tax hasn't even been bumped to account for inflation since...93?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let me put it this way : trucks are an excellent midrange solution. if the distance they travel is neither too long nor too shoirt, they do fine
mircea_popescu: (length in this impoverished model means nothing other the inverse of density : the longer the distance the lower the density)
ben_vulpes: density of package delivery targets?
mircea_popescu: on very short distances they suffer from high density problems (ie, if we live three blocks from each other in manhattan anything';s better than trying to ship you stuff)
nubbins`: seems like drones are more a replacement for bike couriers than trucks
mircea_popescu: on very long distances they suffer from low desnity problem (ie, if you want this sent 5000 miles away, odds are there's not a road leading to your destination)
ben_vulpes: right.
mircea_popescu: both classes of problems are being controlled atm with artificial restraints, but technology esentially means arbitrage between actual and artificial restraints.
mircea_popescu: and mind that "more dollars are printed" does not in fact work to maintain infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: it only seems to.
ben_vulpes: lol the biker is aware of this.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: which is why one's own two legs are such valuable infrastructure, moreso than any car.
mircea_popescu: they will get you ~anywhere~
ben_vulpes: nevertheless, it obviates aws/fedex/ups' obligation to invest in the road.
mircea_popescu: so will this flying toy.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: i'm kind of horrified at the notion that aws will outlive the usg.
mircea_popescu: definitely will.
mircea_popescu: not sure if amazon aws per se, but yes.
ben_vulpes: well aws -> amazon
mircea_popescu: you know what i mean.
ben_vulpes: and you i i think
mircea_popescu: no ?
ben_vulpes: the dropshipper.
ben_vulpes: not the shared hosting company.
mircea_popescu: even so. look at it this way : zimmerman died, his pgp still in use.
mircea_popescu: satoshi idem, his bitcoin etc.
ben_vulpes: yeah but bezos?
ben_vulpes: amazon baffles me.
ben_vulpes: they make no money.
mircea_popescu: they make corpses.
ben_vulpes: require vast orchestration overhead to survive. not like pgp and bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: making corpses is a surer way to power than making money.
mircea_popescu: so, after what happened to b&n...
ben_vulpes: huh
ben_vulpes: better be long amazon than basically anyone else in the atoms biz in the us.
ben_vulpes: not so much long amazon as short everyone else.
mircea_popescu: exactly :)
mircea_popescu: you now understand finance!
mircea_popescu: you don't buy X because it's good, you buy it because it'll outlive everyone else, shitty as it is.
ben_vulpes: lol let's not get ahead of ourselves now
mircea_popescu: hence the importance of making corpses.
ben_vulpes: right.
mircea_popescu: the more companies you kill, the more you're it.
ben_vulpes: well this has been enlightening
ben_vulpes: i'm going to focus on murder and mayhem for my shartup business plan
mircea_popescu: win.
ben_vulpes: and in the meantime, i'm going long this girl.
ben_vulpes: nite!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61759 @ 0.00029317 = 18.1059 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00029069 = 1.4098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00029317 = 4.5735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133312 @ 0.0002906 = 38.7405 BTC [-] {3}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 84.21557126 BTC. Current weight: 89,057.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87400 @ 0.00029388 = 25.6851 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53800 @ 0.00029903 = 16.0878 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.00030324 = 25.7754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92450 @ 0.00030115 = 27.8413 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00029845 = 2.4882 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00029018 = 4.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.0002916 = 12.4805 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu deposit pls. and no dividends yet?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: oh and btw
jurov: ;later tell mircea_popescu the fees for new mpex accounts go to publicly known addy? if it's secret, why?
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the fees for new mpex accounts go to publicly known addy? if it's secret, why?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61057 @ 0.00028971 = 17.6888 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62003 @ 0.00028962 = 17.9573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0002916 = 7.2608 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/part/III
assbot: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8TH6f )
danielpbarron: (3) A disclosure requirement in respect of any protected information is necessary on grounds falling within this subsection if it is necessary--
danielpbarron: (c) in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom.
danielpbarron: re: private keys ^
danielpbarron: also, http://betanews.com/2015/03/16/mozilla-approves-nazi-themed-anti-feminism-firefox-extension/
assbot: Mozilla approves Nazi-themed, anti-feminism Firefox extension [Update] ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8U40H )
davout: jurov: by default they should come with the first deposit according to the FAQ, so to the deposit address
danielpbarron: "It's offensive. While feminism is a movement that aims to make the world a better place by promoting equality, nazism is a movement which is linked to one of the darkest periods in history" << lol "darkest periods"
davout: i recall it being mentioned that this was only the "default" deposit address, too lazy to !s it
danielpbarron: The Chrome counterpart "Turns SJW nonsense into pro-Nazi propaganda. Changes words such as 'Men' into 'Jews' to make any radical feminist post sound like something straight out of Hitler's mouth!", claims its developer in the description.
davout: lulzy
danielpbarron: !up danyalos_
danielpbarron: !up Asa9t1
danyalos_: danielpbarron thx for the up and for the tw follow. At first, I thought you were here in BA.
Asa9t1: hello sir
danielpbarron: lol nope
danielpbarron: hi Asa9t1, what brings you here?
Asa9t1: just checking out freenode again. i spent time here back in 11 & 12
danielpbarron: grade?
Asa9t1: years
Asa9t1: 2011 2012
danielpbarron: lol :D
danielpbarron: wait was this channel a thing in 2011?
Asa9t1: id have to check my logs tbh
Asa9t1: I could be off
Asa9t1: but on diff system
danielpbarron: you're probably right, it's just pre- public logs
Asa9t1: i mostly idle
Asa9t1: im an expert lurker
Asa9t1: :D
Asa9t1: im shy
danielpbarron: you're doing a terrible job; I got you to talk immediately
Asa9t1: i was impressed i was voiced right away
Asa9t1: then i wondered if it was a bot who auto voiced
danielpbarron: do you GPG?
Asa9t1: oh shit Ive forgotten how to do it
Asa9t1: on on a diff system
danielpbarron: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/
assbot: Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8XNeP )
Asa9t1: was hooked up to that bot who wot I hink
danielpbarron: gribble?
Asa9t1: that was the bot for bitcoin
Asa9t1: yes
danielpbarron: what username?
Asa9t1: asa1024
chetty: hola b-a
danielpbarron: !gettrust asa1024
assbot: asa1024 is not registered in WoT.
Asa9t1: i was hooked up to something
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust asa1024
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user asa1024: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=asa1024 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asa1024 | Rated since: Sun Sep 30 09:16:52 2012
danielpbarron: ah, you must have authenticated via bitcoin address
danielpbarron: assbot goes by GPG only
Asa9t1: i had to use the bitcoin program
danielpbarron: you would have been in there if you had a key registered
Asa9t1: but ive forgotten how to do it
Asa9t1: that system of mine is history for that
Asa9t1: i had a dedicated system for my wallet
Asa9t1: but I didn
danielpbarron: does that mean you have piles of bitcoin that you bought for nothing?
funkenstein_: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 <-- translation please?
Asa9t1: but i didnt do anything major til last year
Asa9t1: not anymore
Asa9t1: :D
danielpbarron: funkenstein_, in the UK it's the law/becoming law that you can be compelled to give up your private key in the interest of "protecting the economy"
funkenstein_: so theft is legal then? cool
chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/18/us-britain-budget-digital-currencies-idUSKBN0ME1XD20150318
assbot: In boon for bitcoin, UK to regulate digital currency exchanges| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8YwMO )
funkenstein_: compelled, does that have a UK legal meaning?
danielpbarron: !s rogue state
assbot: 11 results for 'rogue state' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rogue+state
funkenstein_: excellent. I hope Mr. UK does a good job of making sure there is one block every 10 minutes
danielpbarron: oh idk if they use that word, but it seems to mean that if they think you know the key and refuse to tell them, you are a criminal and can be arrested as such
danielpbarron: some guy got held up in Canadian customs recently, had to type in his laptops password so they could "look for kiddie porn"
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/ax330d/status/577974209084674048
assbot: I was detained by CBSA, required to give passwords for all my devices. They wanted to "inspect" devices in some closed room. [1/5]
funkenstein_: well at least these folks are clear that they are nazis, we have warning
funkenstein_: but they already convinced me of that with "papers please"
chetty: The Treasury further announced on Wednesday a new research initiative on digital currency technology, and said it would inject an additional 10 million pounds ($14.66 million) into the area. It will work with the British Standards Association to develop a set of standards that will protect consumers, it said.
danielpbarron: !up danyalos_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.0002916 = 7.7711 BTC [+]
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057736 << have you looked on the 1Fx addy? that would mean no new accounts since november ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:12; davout: jurov: by default they should come with the first deposit according to the FAQ, so to the deposit address
davout: jurov: i have not
kakobrekla: thats an interesting question.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74200 @ 0.00028962 = 21.4898 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: height=286885 vs height=212663
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105942 @ 0.00028948 = 30.6681 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74350 @ 0.00028835 = 21.4388 BTC [-] {3}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 34(Y):66(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.75645355 BTC. Current weight: 93,873.
danielpbarron: today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting
chetty: <danielpbarron> today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting//was that on purpose or an oops?
danielpbarron: now that i think about it, it's a feature
danielpbarron: like a recovery method for when your system gets broken
danielpbarron: just seems counter intuitive seeing as how i'd normally have to specify the boot device before the kernel even loads
danielpbarron: also, the installed kernel can be used to install
danielpbarron: that makes sense actually; why wouldn't it
danielpbarron: oh i also learned that "ofwboot" has to go into an MSDOS partition at the beginning of the drive, and it has to be FAT32 (not FAT16)
danielpbarron: for some reason this particular machine had it as 16 -- easily fixed by running newfs_msdos over it
danielpbarron: i think this only applies if you're installing on a mac
danielpbarron: it's the mac equiv of grub or something
funkenstein_: is openbsd the only reason to have an optical drive?
danielpbarron: huh? no -- I usually install from USB
danielpbarron: i like having an offcial release cd for verifying downloads
funkenstein_: i had trouble with usb last i tried, i will try again
danielpbarron: and it's nice to have the cd for machines that can't boot usb for whatever reason
danielpbarron: i think it's as simple as using 'dd' to write cd56.iso to the stick
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.9996 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 87.31517126 BTC. Current weight: 88,773.
mod6: http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150319.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B579hw )
danielpbarron: OpenSSL 1.0.1 users should upgrade to 1.0.1k. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2015#972210 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 19:09:16; mircea_popescu: xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :)
danielpbarron: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06685.html
assbot: [Bitcoin-development] OpenSSL 1.0.0p / 1.0.1k incompatible,causes blockchain rejection. ... ( http://bit.ly/1B59bhG )
mats: anyone have recommendations for USB drives with hw write switch?
asciilifeform: mats: USB drives with hw write switch << i do not know of any commercially-available items which fit this description (you will find switches on a few, but they are merely a 'polite request' to the host machine)
asciilifeform: mats: if you desperately need this, the popular hobbyist 'arm' dev board 'beaglebone' features a usb slave controller and comes with code example. wire up on the the gpio pins to a toggle switch and you have your drive.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 88.31517126 BTC. Current weight: 88,751.
mats: sigh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121150 @ 0.00028691 = 34.7591 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: ok maybe i just messed something up, now this thing reboots into installer with no cd
danielpbarron: it booted correctly after i took cd out, now it reboots into installer
danielpbarron scratches head
lobbes: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politics/obama-mandatory-voting/index.html << So dumb. Yes, let's force the uninformed masses to contribute to the problem
assbot: Obama: Maybe it's time for mandatory voting - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxdpKi )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85682 @ 0.0002916 = 24.9849 BTC [+]
nubbins`: asciilifeform:ben_vulpes: where i went it was the 'credit-hour' <<< same, standard 3h/wk course was 3 credit hours
nubbins`: some labs were 2!
nubbins`: BingoBoingo:BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen <<< ah, maybe. there are others?
nubbins`: it certainly can provide interesting hedging opportunities
lobbes: Slowly, I'm starting to understand/absorb the reasoning in: trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense
asciilifeform: Obama: Maybe it's time for mandatory voting << mega-soviet-lulz
nubbins`: asciilifeform:phun phact (also noted by al) - fella who holds the 'stop' sign all day makes 2x what a typical postdoc makes. <<< fella w/ the sign is also arguably providing more value for the $
nubbins`: that said, holding the stop sign all day is no fun. can't listen to headphones, gotta stand up!
nubbins`: "but it's 40C outside" "so?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25703 @ 0.0002916 = 7.495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46434 @ 0.0002941 = 13.6562 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/xfce.txt << for anyone who wants a nice simple desktop environment on their OpenBSD machine
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FF8EJG )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179600 @ 0.00028593 = 51.353 BTC [-] {3}
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 34.77616637 BTC. Current weight: 26,386.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you compiled against libressl, right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.00028485 = 21.0504 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: http://www.csoonline.com/article/2898128/disaster-recovery/godaddy-accounts-vulnerable-to-social-engineering-and-photoshop.html
assbot: GoDaddy accounts vulnerable to social engineering and Photoshop | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNsc0v )
danielpbarron: While this conversation was taking place, Mr. Troia's daughter was making noise while playing. This background distraction created just the setting needed for Mr. Troia to push his social engineering scheme.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00028472 = 4.584 BTC [-]
nubbins`: https://twitter.com/WorldBitcoinNet/status/578569077867868160
assbot: Sure smart contracts may replace lawyers, but because they're 'smart' you can't break the law either, so you'll need fewer police.
nubbins`: what?
trinque: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: I enjoyed reading last night's convo on amazon and what finance is.
trinque: my both immediate and long-term strategy has been to identify markets where the software has languished, and to raid the space with something built well
fluffypony: nubbins`: the smart contract must magically be able to solve self-disputes
fluffypony: it's smart, you know
nubbins`: ah.
nubbins`: "because they're smart you can't break the law"
nubbins`: i'm curious to know if this idiot had a broken example in mind, or if he just mashed words together
nubbins`: hoping it'd make sense
kakobrekla: shouldn't those be called more like 'computable contracts' or whatever
kakobrekla: cause you can still make em pretty dumb
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: no, they're smart because they prevent you from, say, stealing a bag of candy
nubbins`: or from walking away with everyone's btc
nubbins`: (somehow)
fluffypony: kakobrekla is right
fluffypony: I mean it's good in theory
fluffypony: like I buy a domain from you
fluffypony: and we use a smart contract
fluffypony: the fulfillment is easy
fluffypony: fulfilment
fluffypony: and it can observe the exchange and you get your money
danielpbarron: he's probably referring to some thing where both parties put up bitcoin collateral in an escrow controlled by "the block chain"
fluffypony: lol
nubbins`: danielpbarron that's the sense i get.
nubbins`: like bitcoin itself somehow handles automatic disbursement of funds when arbitrary conditions are met
danielpbarron: if pushed he'd probably have to admit that there would be "trusted 3rd parties" who vote on whether the event happened or not
ben_vulpes: trinque: it was pretty illuminating to me as well
fluffypony: MasterNodes
fluffypony: :-P
danielpbarron: probably yet another thing better managed by bitbet
trinque: ben_vulpes: indeed, that making corpses bit, "ahhhhh, yes"
danielpbarron bets a small insurance amount on 'No' for "Amazon will deliver my book on time"
nubbins` creates a complicated bet designed to milk value out of his s.mg warrant
danielpbarron: actually that's a bad bet because how can i prove it? and that's why smart contracts are retarded
nubbins`: @eris_ltd So you're saying better locks & thick walls don't lower crime? If so, should we lock our doors at all? Smart contracts = locks.
nubbins`: lel.
nubbins`: what in the
nubbins`: So you're saying that ham sandwiches with lettuce aren't an integral part of smart contracts?
danielpbarron: i've see that guy before; he makes youtube videos for dumb people
danielpbarron: stuff that should be a blog post but instead he films it
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: do you have a blog?
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re: youtube videos for dumb people << i've started thinking because Videos are much easier to consume than words, dumb people are more attracted to it cause they can "watch it" instead of "read it"
danielpbarron: https://youtu.be/I1uefzJJ6nM?t=8m10s
assbot: Bitcoin 101 - Intro to Paper Wallets & Cold Storage - Bitcoin Security & Fun with Sloppy Wallets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjlPP3 )
danielpbarron: first result on youtube for "paper wallet bitcoin"
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, nope
danielpbarron: i don't know what i would blog about
danielpbarron: i don't have many original ideas
ben_vulpes: your pogo saga's a good start
ben_vulpes: or would be
ben_vulpes: anyone know about issetugid on debian?
ben_vulpes: or lol *any* linux?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00028472 = 6.9756 BTC [-]
mod6: is anyone working on porting over the original submitted deeds to the new deedbot?
trinque: mod6: I've got 'em from punkman, have not had time to throw them in yet
trinque: I will try to block some time for deedbot hax this week
trinque: I have a list of feature requests on it too
mod6: ah, ok cool. :]
mod6: at least there are back-ups of the originals.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64411 @ 0.00028396 = 18.2901 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8189 @ 0.00028281 = 2.3159 BTC [-]
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00028281 / 0.00029355 / 0.00030324 (4406264 shares, 1,293.46 BTC), 7D: 0.00028281 / 0.00032012 / 0.00036181 (29116700 shares, 9,320.84 BTC), 30D: 0.00028281 / 0.00036658 / 0.00048515 (83965044 shares, 30,780.34 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 (9477 shares, 2.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00027001 / 0.000301 (59040 shares, 15.94 BTC)
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021375 B (Total: 467.44 B). Delta: 0.31 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
lobbes: asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 << thank you for this introduction on the writings of Naggum. Likewise, I feel it is my duty to spend the next decade learning Common Lisp
assbot: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCcnRt )
lobbes: I tell you, I've learned more in this channel in a year than I did my entire 4 years of college/university
lobbes: and I didn't have to pay $40k
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: lobbes: glad to hear you liked it.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: you compiled against libressl, right? << Yeah
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> BingoBoingo:BitBet is the greatest provider of insurance BTC has ever seen <<< ah, maybe. there are others? << X.EUR (more limited scope) and Usagi (megalol)
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what platform did you use? OpenBSD?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Yeah, and LibreSSL 2.0
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mike_c: well, there was also MPOE
mike_c: although it didn't have LEAPs
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00028499 = 16.6434 BTC [+]
jurov: !up Xuthus
mircea_popescu: jurov a ty
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: and Usagi (megalol) << "Usagi the insurer" along with "Kludge the banker" and others
mircea_popescu: jurov you know it only just confirmed a few hours ago!
jurov: i'm doing it preemptively
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: in the past i have waited for deposits to clear themselves, usually did not happen
jurov: and now looks like dividends have to be requested, too...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69850 @ 0.00028762 = 20.0903 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 146.76667746 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 29 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: i've formed a psychological aversion to dividends because i keep fucking the sums up ;/
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19DjtjA )
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19DjrYW )
mircea_popescu: sigh
mircea_popescu: trinque : a) could deedbot be registered so it autovoices ; b) could the website be edited so as to be arranged as discussed ; c) could the syntax of this thing be fixed so i can actually use it!
trinque: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19DjJ22 )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: danke. but rly, add-deed is spurious, it should just presume it if a naked url is presented. and i hate those :
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, told mod6 above I'm going to try to work on it this week
mircea_popescu: mostly because autofill adds a space then i have to delete it etc. serves no purpose either.
mircea_popescu: ah ok hadn't gone through logs yet.
trinque: the : might be deeper in the bot than the plugin code
mircea_popescu: just sed
mircea_popescu: just sed 's/://' over the codebase
mircea_popescu: what's the worst that can happen!
trinque: haha, surely that will work
trinque: but yeah, totally agree on the feedback so far, just balancing increased IRL load-average
mircea_popescu: what do you do irl anyway ?
trinque: make ordering app-things for restaurants
trinque: shartup
mircea_popescu: somehow something tells me this sucks.
mircea_popescu: !rated trinque
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thestringpuller: oh yea enterprise retail managment
mircea_popescu: !rare trinque 2 Balancing increased IRL load-average!
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trinque: mircea_popescu: I am doing the work of about 5 regular code-monkeys
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trinque: we're a 2 and a half person startup, finally gaining speed
trinque: and ty for the rate
thestringpuller: trinque: hire co-ops at half price :D
mircea_popescu: only took like a year o.O
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, we had that spacestation gayness convo A YEAR AGO ?
trinque: lol, apparently so
mircea_popescu: foundain of fucking youth : sit in b-a all day, everything will have happened coupla weeks ago.
trinque: despite load average I could not resist being even a meager part of this place.
trinque: mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/14zzR9FfAZFEUxPAGrFoDAQDhEeiEpYtG5
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mod6: is that the funding addr for deedbot?
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
trinque: that's the spend for what'll be your bundle shortly
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: ?!?
mircea_popescu: ic.
ascii_field: semi-automat
thestringpuller: there are two asciilifeform 's ?
mircea_popescu: oh and d) make a deed stating what deedbot does, who's maintaining it, what addy it takes for funding etc.
trinque: fo sho
mircea_popescu: an' something more spanish http://40.media.tumblr.com/b0b36b3bf037077c28002f7deb95deac/tumblr_mujcujfepM1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg
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trinque: lol @ the face of mischief
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057732 << yeah, they figure they can pass laws substantially going "if we need your money you must give it to us" and that'll do anything more than dissolve the uk as a legal entity. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:02:53; danielpbarron: (c) in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom.
ascii_field: what i don't get is why they even bother signaling intent to do this with 'laws'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057737 << technically correct : a period they know least about would be dark. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:19; danielpbarron: "It's offensive. While feminism is a movement that aims to make the world a better place by promoting equality, nazism is a movement which is linked to one of the darkest periods in history" << lol "darkest periods"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field because they're not actually tyhinking
ascii_field: ah, britain, the home of the peine forte et dure - perfect for recalcitrant kulaks clinging to keys...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:45; davout: i recall it being mentioned that this was only the "default" deposit address, too lazy to !s it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field maybe i'm veering into insanity by now, but i tell you honestly, i wouldn't give it to them if the whole country fucking sunk for it.
mircea_popescu: finally a chance to exercise that fiat justitia, pereat mundi thing, and entirely within one's own hand. how to pass such a thing ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron anyway, nazism also aimed to make the wortld a better place. this is indisputable. and it also aimed to do this by empowering a subgroup at the expense of other subgroups, which it perceived , falsely, as oppressive. the identity between internet feminism and fascism is quite indisputable.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this is why i made the panel switches removable. easy installation of pull ring for zap toggle.
mircea_popescu: jews have all the money and power, men have all the money and power, jews have secret conspiracies to keep aryans down, men have secret conspiracies to keep womyn down, real aryans wouldn't fuck jews, real womyn wouldn't fuck men,
mircea_popescu: it's exactly the same thing, for a new, and "dark" generation.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nah, i wouldn't destreoy it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i would like the 'pulling the pin' concept to get some traction
mircea_popescu: it must stay there, forever, inaccessible. let em fucking twitch in agony.
ascii_field: and naturally you don't destroy -only- copy
mircea_popescu: well then what do you destroy ?
ascii_field: just the one you happen to have on person when besieged
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: why ?
ascii_field: because enemy will assume it, regardless of whether the case or not
ascii_field: so may as well. you still need the cyanide
mircea_popescu: ...
ascii_field not expert game-theorist, but this point seems pretty clear
mircea_popescu: since when is what X will asume our point of interest ?
mircea_popescu: well so if it's clear clarify it!
ascii_field: well, the torture chamber is a kind of game-theoretical playground
mircea_popescu: and i don't intend to give them THAT easy way out either. let em fucking work for their keep. what, keep me in prison for fifty years ? cool.
mircea_popescu: people usually have to pay for that sort of security.
ascii_field: i won't pontificate on whether the past century of usg work on tortures, dope, etc. came to anything, but this is more or less the kind of situation it was all ultimately waiting for, to try.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron : Sep 24 21:32:22 <asa1024>send them moar porn! that should keep them busy for awhile! ( 2012)
mircea_popescu: Sep 23 15:47:49 <JWU42>oh my << kakobrekla's friend too :D
ascii_field: quite possibly 'raytheon' or the like is even now marketing a fully-automatic ecdsa rectothermocryptoanalyzer.
mircea_popescu: yaya.
ascii_field: comes with two ends: one goes in arse,
ascii_field: other is key for user.
ascii_field: well, 'patient'
ascii_field: no need to involve a professional
ascii_field: who can be bribed or bought
mircea_popescu: and this will work, because reality is fan fiction and any nonsense can happen.
ascii_field: who said it'll work
ascii_field: just that it'll be sold.
mircea_popescu: well its mere existence. so who made these ? robots ?
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ascii_field: same folks who make the rest of the usg toybox
mircea_popescu: who ordered them made and what's his faith based on that he won't be the first they'll be tried on ?
mircea_popescu: right.
ascii_field: phalaris's bull!
ascii_field: moo.
mircea_popescu: ie, the same usg that gets killed with the weapons it made and gave away.
ascii_field: anyway i bring it up because it seems almost certain to be tried. cryptoanalysis is the one kind of peine forte et dure where answer can be instantly verified by machine. so torment can be very efficient - for slow, 'humane' variant, just put it on the door lock
ascii_field: for quick - rectothermics. anything in between, also.
mircea_popescu: you misread the incentives tho.
mircea_popescu: your ideas work in this situation where the usg is "the universe" and the guy it torments just a guy.
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: the situation is that some guys are trying to torment the universe. this is dysfunctional as a plan.
ascii_field: not everybody's zoya kosmodemyanskaya and dies silent partizan
mircea_popescu: but that was not this.
mircea_popescu: think for a second of the "antisocial struggle" example : every shot cop costs the state millions, and the shooter a bullet.
ascii_field: germany was also not 'the universe'
mircea_popescu: the situation isn't magically changed just because we're no longer shooting.
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ascii_field: but this didn't save the girl
mircea_popescu: every anything you propose costs the usg way more than it costs you.
mircea_popescu: like, one year in prison ? costs you nothing, costs them 100k or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: and it costs real actual value, not dollars.
mircea_popescu: so...
mircea_popescu: by all means.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what does it mean "to be saved" ?
ascii_field: see, the rectoanalyzer will not be used by conventional 'daylight' usg, no
mircea_popescu: i surmise you don't use it in the christian sense, but what do you mean by it ?
mircea_popescu: o, right. it will be used by soemthing that doesn't actually exist ?
ascii_field: it'll be used by folks with the access to the prisoner and some plausible cover
mircea_popescu: (by which i mean : has teh physical characteristics of inexistence)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and who will believe their cover ?
ascii_field: why so certain that this is an impossible or even unlikely scenario ?
mircea_popescu: people mostly don't believe the usg statements in the case of ulbricht. what when they're actually made up ?
mircea_popescu: because your description of this entity has more in common with that which doesn't exist than with that which does, and so parsimoniously it doesn't exist.
ascii_field: ulbricht, say, will be listed as 'dead of prison buggery hiv+' in his papers. but in actuality will sit down on this auto-electric-anthill at langley
mircea_popescu: anyway, back on the "salvation" angle : is the doctor who cures your cancer savbing you ? suppose you die coming out of the hospital run over by a bus. what salvation ?
ascii_field: or is mircea_popescu proposing that this is -EV for the folks involved
ascii_field: by 'save' meant the banal fact that to prisoner, his captors may as well be 'the universe'
mircea_popescu: i am saying two things. one is that your model of "folks involved" is actually inconsistent. the other is that for any consistent model, the -ev is so pronounced as to make any other alternative rationally preferable.
mircea_popescu: but this banal fact is not a fact.
ascii_field: it did not help warsaw rebellion that ru tanks were 2hrs away
mircea_popescu: there are no tanks here.
ascii_field: well, the doom of the jailers, whatever form it might take
mircea_popescu: you understand ? the ro revolution was not in the slightest hindered by the fact the ro army tanks were right there.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary.
mircea_popescu: assets are liabilities. that's what it is.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: slightly misunderstanding example. the ru tanks emboldened the rebels, hastening their deaths
mircea_popescu: arguably on both ends of that.
ascii_field: used here as illustration that the imminent demise of usg and the broader zombie civilization that created it, does not separate ulbricht's arse from anthill
ascii_field: rather, it brings it closer to.
mircea_popescu: but think for a moment through it. so, in a country where petreus can't have fun with an ugly stupiod old whore, there still exist these people who can do outrageous things.
mircea_popescu: clinton ejaculating on some fat broad is not outrageous, sparked an outrage.
mircea_popescu: but these folk somehow get away with it.
mircea_popescu: right ?
ascii_field: outrageous things such as lowering a general into pederasty, for example
mircea_popescu: he did that himself.
mircea_popescu: the bitinstant schmuck did it himself also.
mircea_popescu: they did it themselves, by doing what you propose is "unavoidable".
mircea_popescu: suppose petreus didn't go down for it, went on a snowden tour. what then ?
ascii_field sorta gets what mircea_popescu meant here
ascii_field: that'll be hilarious!
mircea_popescu: the dod accuses him so and so,. he's all over al jazeera explaining what a poopyhead obama is.
mircea_popescu: who wins the next election ? jeb bush ?
ascii_field: pulling a grigorenko
mircea_popescu: what's the cost to the elite ?
mircea_popescu: what, they disappear them ?
ascii_field: aha
mircea_popescu: costs EVEN MOREW
ascii_field: like the other snowden
ascii_field: unless he hides in putin's house, he'll be disappeared for less than a whitehouse dinner costs
mircea_popescu: now, granted, a transhumanist in the audience aged about 11 and with an education consisting mostly of harry potter books may think himself so important that this is a bad deal.
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to share that view.
ascii_field: which is a bad deal, and for whom ?
ascii_field confused
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you're miscalculating costs.
mircea_popescu: take an example further away, may help. so cristina ordered the death of a prosecutor that was going to put her in jail.
mircea_popescu: what was the cost of this ? there's three working on it now. so the cost was, superficially, problem x3.
ascii_field: and she is closer to the jail?
mircea_popescu: plus, everything else, starting with the press and ending with... who the fuck wants to talk to her now ? kim ?
ascii_field: or 3 pliant ones
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone seriously believes she moves into anything but a jail cell once term ends.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, her negotiating basis changed, and so now the victory of the opposition is incontrovertible.
mircea_popescu: a year ago it was at best dubious.
mircea_popescu: costs, baby. nothing's more expensive than action, especially when you're in a swamp.
mircea_popescu: and all society's a swamp.
mircea_popescu: your model worked fine in a world of lumberjacks and church bell towers a day's walk away from each other.
mircea_popescu: that world doesn't exist, most soldiers die of ricochet.
ascii_field: they died of ricochet (well, shrapnel) in 1915
ascii_field: just as now
mircea_popescu: but not in 1600.
mircea_popescu: your model's anchored in an older time, a quieter time.
mircea_popescu: a simpler time.
ascii_field: my model is more of a hypothesis re: what tools usg will pick up when the usual ones (magick away the universe with idiot media tricks) begin to fail
mircea_popescu: take, for argument's sake, the guy in tienanmen. now, the cost of the tank running him over ? w/e, five cents in detergent and ten cents in gasoline.
mircea_popescu: orly ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the idea that as the skin fails away the body can move to a 2nd line of defense is ridiculous. people with burns over 80% of the surface don't survive on their own.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the only reason we know about him is the gigantic crew of usg photographers and a usg planetary mediachumatron ready to endlessly reprint the photo
mircea_popescu: it NEEDS it. once that fails, IT fails.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: what, fetlife will order my content off my blog ? what's your scenario here ?
mircea_popescu: we will publish it a billion times.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a conflict that can be won. inasmuch as it's a conflict, it was already lost.
mircea_popescu: the only way out is submission, abject.
ascii_field: but meanwhile american north kr.
mircea_popescu: dubious.
ascii_field: and british, australian, french, etc. north kr
mircea_popescu: have you seen how slender koreans are ?
mircea_popescu: what makes you think you can make a north kr. with fatties ?
mircea_popescu: if you were a film producer you would filter the actors, yet reality doesn't care ?
ascii_field: not sure why one can't build it out of whoever, of lemurs, of bonobos.
mircea_popescu: but are you sure they can.
ascii_field: will try
mircea_popescu: well that ain't much.
mircea_popescu: for all you know sperm tries to impregnate the tiles everytime someone jacks off.
mircea_popescu: ever seen tilemonster ?
ascii_field: lol no
mircea_popescu: yeah, well...
mircea_popescu: this seemed a plausible theory for centuries at a stretch.
ascii_field: which? inertial guidance for spermatozoa ?
mircea_popescu: no, generation of demons and monsters through masturbation.
ascii_field: ah
mircea_popescu: "it tried... and it succeeds, probably!"
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ascii_field: what does it even mean - to 'succeed' at being north kr?
ascii_field: seems like the only item therein is a 'try;
ascii_field: '
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, your definition.
mircea_popescu: but in any case : i happen to think the attempt'd do a huge service to all usians.
mircea_popescu: they really could use some whipping.
ascii_field: 'heightening the contradictions' aha
ascii_field: (term of art)
jurov: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile << example. and many others that prove putin's bloody hands
assbot: Evidence proving that flight MH-17 was taken down by a BUK missile | RTL Nieuws ... ( http://bit.ly/18MgvrK )
jurov: wouldn't happen in 1600, yes
chetty: in 1600 there were still places to flee to
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't recall what the positions were there, was it the pro-russians saying the pro-nato downed it with a jet, and the pro-nato saying the pro-russians took it down with a buk ?
mircea_popescu: chetty like where ?
jurov: pro russians and alf said urks downed it with air-to-air missiles
mircea_popescu: "Investigation into the chemical composition showed that they are remains from a BUK missile, among which fragments from the warhead – the pay load. The fragment of the warhead consists of a low-quality alloy of steel common to this form of ammunition. It appears from electroscopic enlargements that a fragment shows a cast-on Cyrillic serial number from the Russian language next to a partly broken number 2."
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: this wasn't salted by any chance was it ?
jurov: it's still underway, we'll see
mircea_popescu: jurov so wait, the fact that it was downed by a missile is not disputed ? then why's this relevant ?
jurov: everything is disputed and muddied beyond all recognition
mircea_popescu: myeah.
chetty: and so it will remain
jurov: but eventually some picture emerges. that would not be the case at all in 1600
mircea_popescu: of course it was ?
jurov: just that russians seem to stay stuck several centuries ago. to detriment of everyone.
jurov: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: jurov so the idea being that it's better in one empire than the other ?
mircea_popescu: i can see the argument.
mircea_popescu: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/19/obama-broaches-mandatory-voting/25010443/
assbot: Obama broaches the idea of mandatory voting ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1EnDq )
mircea_popescu: ^ maybe next they can has a referendum too.
jurov: i did not mean to take it that far
mircea_popescu: jurov well... getting idiots to mind their own fucking business might be a bridge too far.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: gossipd
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or anyone inclined, can we have a qntra piece discussing why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057797 is an attempted self-boon by fiat, which bitcoin will ignore like all the others ? and warn reuters and whatever idiot signed it to dessist from lying and misrepresenting while they still have their heads ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:32:00; assbot: In boon for bitcoin, UK to regulate digital currency exchanges| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8YwMO )
chetty: Saw a poll that 50% of americans still don't know health insurance is mandatory, wonder how they would pull off mandatory voting?
mircea_popescu: chetty same way they do here, or anywhere else for that matter : bus them in.
mircea_popescu: ostensibly to give them candy or something. THAT they will know about.
mircea_popescu: all it takes is to make inner city clinic prescriptions for "medication" contingent on voting card.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057820 << only if your bios is set to that boot order i imagine. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 14:20:01; danielpbarron: today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057831 << optical drive is burned. unlike usb which is rewritable. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 14:29:09; funkenstein_: is openbsd the only reason to have an optical drive?
mircea_popescu: lobbes well actually, since a bunch of uninformed idiots are creating the problem in the first place, adding more resolves it rather than anything.
danielpbarron: yeah, turns out that wasn't what was happening
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mircea_popescu: !up bhcoins
mircea_popescu: you shouldn't go around logged into the windows equivalent of root.
ascii_field: jurov: admitting that i wasn't there, didn't shoot it,
ascii_field: jurov: do you not find it peculiar that the verdict was decided on by nato media immediately, without the corpses so much as having even cooled down ?
ascii_field: and reprinted on whole planet.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057874 requires a reference to http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ ☝︎
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jurov: no that's sop, RT rushed with its version likewise
ascii_field: how else.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field an advantageous explanation would be : they knew they didn't do it, so...
jurov: lol
ascii_field: and jurov is right - from nato-world standpoint, ru is holding the rest of the planet back - by annoyingly remaining alive and sitting on all that 'unearned' mineral resource and unraped land
ascii_field: this is precisely why eternal war
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057879 << redditards being retarded on reddit ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 16:41:04; nubbins`: what?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ahem. the us is sitting on a lot of unearned mineral resources and unraped land. like say, alaska.
ascii_field: aha, similar
mircea_popescu: well so then this can't be it.
ascii_field: except that better at raping lands
ascii_field: more efficient economical system runs through the fuel - faster. elementary
mircea_popescu: simpler explanation : everyone in central europe hates the russians, because last time they had the chance to matter they fucked it up.
jurov: ascii_field: so what's your proposal for better post-cold-war arrngements?
mircea_popescu: everyone in the middle east hates the big satan / us for exact same reason
jurov: large
mircea_popescu: and russians don't have many freiends in the caucasus etc
ascii_field: jurov: arranging people is above my paygrade
ascii_field: jurov: just describing why 'there ain't room in the town for the both'of'em' to borrow from 'western' films
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> more efficient economical system runs through the fuel - faster. elementary << nope, other way around actually. the more advanced, the more fuel.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what i meant was, the rare earths of ru are largely still in the earth
mircea_popescu: so in alaska.
ascii_field: and likewise (though less so) the petro
mircea_popescu: dubious. most oil is probably in the sea.
jurov: that's russian paranoia from the US. it's clear beyond doubt, chinese will move to siberia first, given an opportunity
jurov: US is not risking a conflict there
ascii_field: jurov: they are already there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057898 << easy my foot. i hope you try and think you succeeded and then automate it and then i rape you with dns poisoning. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 16:56:16; fluffypony: the fulfillment is easy
ascii_field: jurov: ask the folks who live there.
mircea_popescu: jurov you have a point, there.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I meant relatively easy
fluffypony: but yes
mircea_popescu: "relatively easy" as in "always works sorta" ?
fluffypony: the fact that you can fuck with something outside of it is a fail point
fluffypony: basically it can only ever work on things directly observable on the blockchain
mircea_popescu: your contract must be specified. once you specify it, you have specified a way to circumvent it. end of story.
fluffypony: which makes it fairly useless
mircea_popescu: so basically... it's about as redundant as everything else the power rangers have made, past coupla years.
fluffypony: "release the money to mircea_popescu if I send the money to mircea_popescu" is about the sum total of it
jurov: well... so you see what is the nato standpoint. not these "unraped" delusions
mircea_popescu: jurov maybe i don't ?
jurov: it was answer alf
jurov: *to alf
mircea_popescu: what, it's secret, i don't get to see it ? only the choice alfs ?
jurov: why do his worldview does bother me so, i don't know
mircea_popescu: well cause he lives with one set of idiots and you with the other.
mircea_popescu: you both need for your own sanity to misrepresent the other's set.
jurov: "from nato-world standpoint, ru is holding the rest of the planet back - by annoyingly remaining alive and sitting on all that 'unearned' mineral resource and unraped land"
jurov: is it a big misrepresentation to label it as paranoia?
mircea_popescu: only inasmuch as you think this is a label to begin with.
mircea_popescu: intl politics is petrified paranoia.
mircea_popescu: as it should be.
jurov: lolk
mircea_popescu: like saying "look at this cute 9 year old girl, i bet she's got a cunt between her legs under the skirt there" is rather impolitic,
chetty: it mostly needs more petrification
mircea_popescu: people will react when you point out the paranoia.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057901 << imagine fi every time you went to buy something both you and the seller had to imobilize capital. wallmart would need trillions just to be able to keep doing business. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 16:56:38; danielpbarron: he's probably referring to some thing where both parties put up bitcoin collateral in an escrow controlled by "the block chain"
mircea_popescu: this "idea" is so fucking retarded it's perhaps the best advertisement to my ancient "you don't get to have ideas, go work for someone who matters" thing. only people without the first clue as to how things work could entertain such nonsense.
danielpbarron: speaking of which, here's the latest lulz from the forum:
danielpbarron: I'm sorry, maybe I don't understand where you're coming from, but why are you quoting Mircea Popescu? I admit I have not read this entire thread, so maybe there's a reason... but I don't see what value there is to quoting an insane, misogynistic, racist drug addict here? The guy has shown time and again that he has no idea what he's talking about and everything he has ever done in his life is complete garbage (just going by
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057881 << generally the correct strategy is "never compete in saturated markets". which is why i don't date, i don't vc, i don't business school etc. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 16:51:07; trinque: my both immediate and long-term strategy has been to identify markets where the software has languished, and to raid the space with something built well
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lol, did i become a drug addict once i stopped being a woman ?
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mircea_popescu: or is that when i became mysoginistic.
danielpbarron shrugs
chetty: they left out racist
mircea_popescu: racist gypsy!
mircea_popescu: for completeness.
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danielpbarron: did my paste get cut off? racist is in there.
mircea_popescu: can you be an insane drug addict ?
chetty: oh oops my bad
mircea_popescu: i thought drugs cured insanity.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lol account made today no less ? cute.
mircea_popescu: who is this then, goat ?
mircea_popescu: gotta admire danielpbarron's dedication tho.
mircea_popescu: everything he has ever done in his life is complete garbage (just going by what I've read of and from him, so I could be incorrect).
mircea_popescu: ajhaha you got cut off before the better parts.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what this guy did in his life that he's so upset at himself anyway.
mircea_popescu: must be goat.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo or anyone inclined, can we have a qntra piece discussing why << Sketching one out
mircea_popescu: coolness
mircea_popescu: one of the most fascinating things about reading satoshi's statements is just how often he makes the correct choice for the wrong reasons.
mircea_popescu: as a fine example, the bit danielpbarron quotes : "The proof-of-work also solves the problem of determining representation in majority decision making. If the majority were based on one-IP-address-one-vote, it could be subverted by anyone able to allocate many IPs. Proof-of-work is essentially one-CPU-one-vote."
mircea_popescu: if this implies he settled on pow for that reason, it then follows he chose the correct mechanism for exactly the wrong reason, becuase that's the only aspect under which pow has failed.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do thicker walls lower crime.
mircea_popescu: do thicker arteries lower embolisms too ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057922 << but that's exactly what it is. "more accessible", as in, tolerable for idiots, while inconvenient for smart people. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 17:06:07; thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re: youtube videos for dumb people << i've started thinking because Videos are much easier to consume than words, dumb people are more attracted to it cause they can "watch it" instead of "read it"
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057929 << very true danielpbarron. blogs aren't a collection of literary fiction unless you particularly wish to do that. there's however a glut of bad ones, because many idiots think themselves "creative" when they're just stupid, ignorant and lazy. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 17:10:55; ben_vulpes: your pogo saga's a good start
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the well documented nonfiction blog is always well regarded, and as it happens stuff that's banal to you often will be fascinating to others. which is why a psychologist's blog is like, b-a's favourite blog or something.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057934 << e) trinque lol] ☝︎
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057950 << and i dun think you're the only one. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 18:23:44; lobbes: I tell you, I've learned more in this channel in a year than I did my entire 4 years of college/university
trinque raises hand
trinque: had the distinct reaction after hanging out a while that "this is what university was supposed to have been..."
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: "university" means elitist and antisocial. neither of these exists in the muggle world anymore,
kakobrekla: was this addressed yet? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057811 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 12:53:07; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057736 << have you looked on the 1Fx addy? that would mean no new accounts since november
mircea_popescu: but the original universities were fortified, exactly to keep the redidtards of the time awya.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058040 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer.
jurov: so nobody want so to be seen regging mpex account? lol
kakobrekla: thats so unlike mp.
mircea_popescu: nothing's more unlike mp than mp himself.
mircea_popescu: btw kakobrekla mind link http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ to http://deedbot.org/ ?
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kakobrekla: i dont see how it makes sense to have a special deposit address for first registration+deposit and then you are fine using the single one for all of the rest of txes
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at cryptanalysis central, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e3d724457bcadf5e6cdefec8a8b56907/tumblr_mvp8dtcA9H1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1QkZU )
kakobrekla: "theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses" < why would anyone be concerned only to have the first address for first deposit+registration unique but is then fine using 1fx for all later deposits
kakobrekla: does not compute
mircea_popescu: not how that works. generally if they get one they get one for all their stuff.
mircea_popescu: which imo is a degradation of privacy, but w/e.
kakobrekla: aha so every one of last 50 or so accounts requested this
kakobrekla: interdasting.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: jurov: i admit that i'd enjoy reading an article-length thought re: what is it between you and ru
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea, that.
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ascii_field: jurov: like, as with one fella i know, a certain country confiscated his family home and turned it into a (literal) city jail
ascii_field: coloured his opinions, yes
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jurov: my opinions were formed by several friends eating disinfo that was later traced back to RT, with sink and hooker
mircea_popescu: you know, just because most people find sooner or later personal reasons to hate large groups of idiots doesn't reduce the problem.
mircea_popescu: hook line and sinker lol
mircea_popescu: ahahaha sink and hooker excellent
jurov: heh
ascii_field: jurov: notice that i don't live in ru, and nobody's inviting me over. but i happen to see the conflict of irreconcilable civilizations thing, and see the ru version - with the orc barbarism, yes - as less moribund
mircea_popescu: see it's from fishing, when a fish bites so hard it eats not just the bait, but with it the hook, and the bit of fishing line all theway to the floating thing
jurov: yes that what i meant
trinque: it's those kinds of perspectives expressed here that I would *never* have encountered in daily life
chetty: rt/nbc/cnn all the same big disinfo machine
kakobrekla: anyway just to conclude ihmo this accounts thing does not hold water, but wont poke further.
ascii_field: chetty: rt makes ru-flavoured disinfo, so not same
trinque: chetty: and sure, always knew they were rivers of shit; still hadn't ever heard from anyone that for example even knew what russia was like internally
mircea_popescu: rt = russia today, ftr, not reuters
chetty: << would not be terribly surprised if they had the same puppet master
ascii_field: chetty: there is a confounding factor: that much of su was bought up at fire-sale by usg operatives
ascii_field: some of whom are still in business
ascii_field: but slowly being euchred out
mircea_popescu: not so slowly. mostly done by now.
mircea_popescu: paranoia only remains in the tank.
jurov: we can close whole thing with "everyone is doing it" but.. when did bbc published something like rt did "EU is preparing laws to take your children and to give them to homosexuals"?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sadly one can't have at the same time verifiability and opacity.
trinque: jurov: bbc works in the opposite direction, covering up for the uk politicans raping the kids themselves
mircea_popescu: jurov different audience, different priors.
jurov: trinque: proof bbc was involved?
chetty: they do their share of making rhe russian the bad guys ...like homosexulas can¿t drive there
mircea_popescu: basically you're saying "how come the man doesn't have a bra ?" when discussing whether man and woman are both dressed.
mircea_popescu: just because man doesn't wear a bra doesn't show much about it, men don't wear bras, they wear ties.
trinque: jurov: dunno bout proof, but I'm referring to things like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/11243459/The-BBC-is-still-ignoring-evidence-of-a-potential-cover-up-over-Jimmy-Savile.html
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mircea_popescu: trinque did they ever run the stories about how uk soldiers ran a private rape camp in africa, paying the refugees about a dollar per year of age for all night ?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so you will allow for your clients to get fucked, as you strongly believe that addr reuse is the the way to go, yet you will serve poisonous uniques to clients.
trinque: mircea_popescu: damn, hadn't heard that one
mircea_popescu: o, you hadn't, had you.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla people with enough money have this priviledge, that they may order whatever they wish in the restaurant.
mircea_popescu: they're expected to know for themselves.
mircea_popescu: if they order puffer fish because "i know what i'm doing", they get puffer fish.
jurov: i did not say bbc is innocent. but covering apparatchik's mishaps vs. war propaganda aimed to alienating whole groups of population?
mircea_popescu: jurov i doubt that's actually a group in russia tho.
kakobrekla: so when someone requests css ?
jurov: https://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/03/14/russia-kremlin-troll-army-examples/ << teh group
assbot: Inside the Kremlin Troll Army Machine: Templates, Guidelines, and Paid Posts · Global Voices ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZruw )
kakobrekla: this going by what customers want anti b-a bs
mircea_popescu: trinque http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822177/Soldiers-rape-TWO-women-children-Darfur-village-eight-hour-attack.html apparently daily mail has it, bbc is too you know... mendacious to run it.
assbot: Soldiers rape more than TWO HUNDRED women and children in Darfur village in eight-hour attack | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZtCP )
cazalla: mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/THZwPMC.png please to translate and inform if anything interesting
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they can make their own!
trinque: mircea_popescu: sounds about right
kakobrekla: as they can use their own coin washer for deposits
mircea_popescu: cazalla : in context of virtual coins, bnr makes the following statements : "not national currency, not foreign currency, no one has to accept it as a means of payment"
mircea_popescu: "not electronic money as defined in 127/2011"
mircea_popescu: "ecb has a report about potential risks etc, here"
mircea_popescu: "also, eba warned so and so"
mircea_popescu: "we are trying to keep track."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla myeah.
mircea_popescu: cazalla inb a word, i'd say it's exactly the correct position.
mircea_popescu: trinque anyway, if you feel like digging, the outrage of mass rape by uk & other nato soldiers in darfour is amply documented, if amply buried by the "respectable" anglo venues, starting with bbc.
mircea_popescu: this has been an ongoing problem for a good half decade by now, if not longer, and in this sense exactly identical to hitler rule in europe,
trinque: I'll check it out
trinque: I know we did things like this in Iraq
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm very little inclined to take jurov's ideas about you know, russia holding anyone back too seriously. all states are evil.
trinque: indeed
mircea_popescu: one could perhaps shop for evils one likes, these stone homosexuals, those rape niggers, those others strangle unvirgin teens, whatever.
mircea_popescu: but fundamentally, you're rooting through shit.
BingoBoingo: I just hope the big 3 (Russia, China, USia) simply keep up their current equilibrium of losing.
mircea_popescu: china's not lost anything yet.
mircea_popescu: neither has russia, but then again it can be granted it doesn't need to, having been so recently gutted entirely.
trinque: china's maneuver against the US will go down in history
mircea_popescu: which one ?
trinque: getting us to sign onto free trade agreements, etc
BingoBoingo: Not yet, but China's going to need a war soon to cut down their surplus dude problem.
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. under threat of south china sea etc.
mircea_popescu: and especially the poltroonish reaction of the us to that...
trinque: the way they absorbed our industrial capacity is astounding
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i do not think so. i think they're trying to drone them.
mircea_popescu: if this works, china will become irresistible to say, me.
mircea_popescu: imagine, a country over a billion strong, in which nine in ten young males are castrated.
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: how could you NOT live there. perusing cnreddit and thinking "yeah... but then again... they cut his balls off"
mircea_popescu: the us version of the same thing is outright annoying.
mircea_popescu: After the battle, Hermoine becomes concerned that women are underrepresented among heros of the wizarding world, and starts a “Society for the Promotion of Heroic Equality for Witches” or SPHEW.
mircea_popescu: lmao by now this is self-parodic.
ascii_field: all states are evil << entirely below the conflict between the mega-states, is some pretty fundamental clash of civilizations
mircea_popescu: there's no usian "civilisation". there's also no russian civilisation.
mircea_popescu: as painful as this may sound to teh respective loyalists.
BingoBoingo: Mao and the Japs ended whatever might have been Chinese civilization
mircea_popescu: well maybe uninformedly, but i do believe there is such a thing as chinese, and european civilisation.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i won't say specifically ru, but various aspects like 'children belong to parents as meat, not to the state' being in their bones
ascii_field: and other resistance to 'civilized' degeneracy
mircea_popescu: the notion that the first's fighting a proxy war with the second via us/ru is... a little too livresque for my taste.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field that's chinese. confucianism through and through.
funkenstein_: sounds like y'all think nations are still relevant
funkenstein_: how long do i need to cryosleep for?
ascii_field: ru is sorta what cn might have looked like if it had sat next to europe
ascii_field: without the buffer zone
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ relevancy is a function ofwhat's being discussed. we're discussing nations.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if cn sat next to europe there wouldn't be a europe.
mircea_popescu: both the muscovys and the abassyds very useful for this .
mircea_popescu: and generally unrecognised for it, too.
ascii_field: aha. but in the process of digesting it, cn would have turned into something like ru
mircea_popescu: or like syria.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: if you actually think 'nations are irrelevant' and that folks across the sea are funnily-accented clones of yourself - buy a plane ticket, learn something
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fucktarded notion that "children belong to the goddess" that not even repressive medieval christianity could stamp out may well be a problem of the western line.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not only it
mircea_popescu: nations are ironically more relevant than states.
ascii_field: states come and go, civilizations are in it for the long (but not infinitely long...) haul.
funkenstein_: well i understand i still need a passport
funkenstein_: ascii_field, that's what i did learn when i did travel
ascii_field: funkenstein_: but unless i misunderstand, you see the passport as a dumb, pointless ritual
funkenstein_: entirely so yes
ascii_field: that you are 'generic human' who ought to be equally wanted anywhere
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ what's your idea of travel ?
ascii_field: and that folks who disagree, are necessarily idiots ?
funkenstein_: equally treated as useless unless evidence is presented otherwise
trinque: someone will always own the dirt, and have a name for himself and the people who live there.
ascii_field: from where this presumption ?
ascii_field: of 'wanted by default'
funkenstein_: mirecea_popescu, change of position with time? i misunderstand your question
mircea_popescu: well, did you ever spend time abroad ? how much ? did you learn the local language ? did you fuck local or brownbag ? etc.
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funkenstein_: i've spent time on several continents
funkenstein_: held jobs in a couple
ascii_field: which continents ?
funkenstein_: europe, north america
ascii_field: so never left your birth civilization.
funkenstein_: visited s.a., asia
ascii_field: visited as in, came & took pictures? or more ?
funkenstein_: mostly gringo stuff but not tour guide. some hitchhiking and low budget stuff, but nothing i would brag about here
mircea_popescu: lol oddly protective. you have to learn a foreign language yo. you have to love a woman that's perfectly incomprehensible for your parents. that's what travel is . the rest's tourism.
funkenstein_: i like that, you gotta meet the locals
mircea_popescu: as a local.
ascii_field: ^
mircea_popescu: that's the golden standard as a field anthropologist : once the gorillas start plucking your lice.
mircea_popescu: not once you get the lice.
ascii_field: !b 5
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funkenstein_: lol
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, lulzy scene. my in bucharest, with slavegirl, at mother's appartment. she goes "oh, so she's X ?" "yeah. would you like to see her naked ?"
mircea_popescu: "o nononononono"
ascii_field: lol, was 'X' a clit-optional country, or what
mircea_popescu: just a name
mircea_popescu: for that matter, me in istanbul. very competent local secret service guy wants to know where i'm from. "i'm american" "no you're not. you're bulgarian or something".
mircea_popescu: guy was THAT GOOD.
ascii_field: amer can be distinguished from anybody else from a cannon's shot range
ascii_field: so no big trick here
mircea_popescu: yes, but he also got the right general direction.
funkenstein_: USian you mean i suppose
funkenstein_: oh he left
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: He might be communting from the field
funkenstein_: harvesting ascii for us in the field
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Oh no that's just his substance. You know instead of being limited to TCAG like the rest of us his genetics require the whole character set.
funkenstein_: lol, wow that's quite a bit more information then
BingoBoingo: $^*anine is a helluva nucleic acid
BingoBoingo: As is ]/anine
BingoBoingo: !up shesek
funkenstein_: i tested the 0.5.3 build on an old ubuntu box, built like a charm
funkenstein_: i hope to make myself useful around here eventually
mircea_popescu: i didn't leave lol.
mircea_popescu: oh , him. nm :p
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you could get a pogo.
funkenstein_: !s pogo
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danielpbarron: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/ShadowXOR/why-28-weeks-later-is-a-horrible-movie-spoilers--49045.phtml
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danielpbarron: "OK, here's the plan. Our evacuation tactic is to lock everyone in this room. They should all be extremely safe there. Except we haven't secured the vent OR fire escape... Oh well, I'm sure they'll be fine." They must have been evacuated for maybe TEN MINUTES before the zombie breaks into the fire escape door. Wow, that is a fantastic "safe zone".
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: About how it would work IRL. "Security Theater" and all that
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/national-bank-of-romania-clarifies-its-position-on-bitcoin/
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scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/young-frankenstein/
BingoBoingo: lols https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zjnjs/you_dumb_fuckers_need_to_stop_making_it_so_easy/
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BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid
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