assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 23:11:47; *: mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 17:01:22; ascii_field: tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 22:52:09; jurov: wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 22:55:03; BingoBoingo: Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But what about for things you would rather not be able to remember under duress?
BingoBoingo: Nah, cyanide means that if you make it through you can't see them burn
BingoBoingo: I mean, what's the point of smoking cigarettes if not to transform into an unstopable ragemonster when derprived of nicotine and the beautiful monoamine oxidase inhibitors in tobacco?
mike_c: this eulorum wiki is slow as shit. who the hell is running this thing.
mike_c: Dozens upon dozens of cartographers died to make it..
ben_vulpes: clean title, correct vintage, but automatic VS rebuilt title, not really the perfect vintage, and manual
mircea_popescu: "President Barack Obama’s plan to send an additional 450 to 500 soldiers"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.197718 = 2.9658 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: funny how the libertards were all over nucular but don't seem to hardly notice at all their special needs law professor has no fucking idea which side the sun comes out.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: suggesting i hold out, then?
BingoBoingo: Just have to swap in a tranny of correct vintage
BingoBoingo: But... That might cost more than the car's $6000 unless you wait for one to miracle onto criagslist
mircea_popescu: actually automatic's probably in much better condition
BingoBoingo: Also sporty car with a sporty automatic tranny isn't bad.
BingoBoingo: Especially if you ever encounter the dreaded gauntlet of red lights in it
ben_vulpes: i have all the light sequences in this town timed by memory
BingoBoingo: All it takes is one intern to fuck up you lights and they will never go back
BingoBoingo: <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.0052001 = 0.0416 BTC [-] << Incredilol
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: the linked ones seem too cheap to be true << Not really probably just accumulated defered maintenance to take it up to market value is much
BingoBoingo: The 60's one prolly still has nylon belted tyres
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was "Don't buy a computer that costs less than your woman"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How much do you want to drive one. There's a few around this region.
BingoBoingo: Every uncool yet drivable used car tends to find its way to the Middle West for Hospice care
BingoBoingo remembers his first car, The Grand Am of Justice which in his last year of ownership he discovered was Hurricane Katrina salvage
trinque: heh I almost got a ford probe as my first car
trinque: asciilifeform: is that a second pirate party key?
BingoBoingo though the Matt guy was showing up quite a bit
BingoBoingo: Museum pieces make the best daily drivers, and Probe was engineered by 80's Japs so prolly durable
BingoBoingo says as the guy who stops his Saturn at gas stations to make sure the plastic is still attached
trinque: I've taken to calling my check-engine light the "Is it a Volkswagen?" light
BingoBoingo: trinque: I actually have very few problems with that
BingoBoingo: I actually have far more problems with the exterior of the car not wanting to stay together than anything mechanically wrong
trinque: car's just complaining; it runs fine
trinque: has something to do with emissions I think
BingoBoingo: Thank the one who cuckolds clitler for that
trinque: IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Defense shall complete an evaluation of the cyber vulnerabilities of each major weapon system of the Department of Defense by not later than December 31, 2019.
trinque: and ftr I'm still not convinced they're all safe
trinque: I'm sure the Iranians thought their centrifuges were totally disconnected from the internet and therefore safe too
trinque: asciilifeform: "can the nukes be haxed" thread
assbot: Nuclear weapons: How Cold War major Harold Hering asked a forbidden question that cost him his career. ... (
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trinque: thought it might've been some of the more recently let-go members of the nuke command
trinque: "had become a long-haul trucker" << brutal
trinque: does not surprise me that people were worried about orders from nixon, lol!
trinque: asciilifeform: right so this whole "launch codes" thing is communication to the... lol... "missileer"
trinque: was talking with ben_vulpes yesterday about how this is likely a matter of vulnerability to attacks against the communications of mil, not necessarily the hardware
trinque: ben_vulpes: no joke, I echo into sys to change my brightness
punkman: asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic' ! << oh did we run out of cosmic rays?
cazalla: shinohai, he's 100 today and that heart shit is bullshit according to snopes
shinohai: He's just naturally not going to release his grasp upon the empire
funkenstein_: and from that article a major explosion of oxymoron detector: "Israeli military ethicist"
mircea_popescu: what, by being israeli one's automatically unethical ? or above ethics ?
mircea_popescu: you're not going to start with "life's the greatest good in and of itself" and "we're all equal so consequently no-one's life is worth less than the shine on your shoes" are you ?
funkenstein_: How about most experiences prostitutes monogamy discussion group
mircea_popescu: you know, neither of these map on the original at all, and amusingly enough neither of these carries what you want it to, either.
mircea_popescu: how about "most unwinged featherless flat nailed bipedals flight club"
mircea_popescu: if people were meant to fly they'd have had wings and if quadriplegics were meant to juggle they'd have had arms.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is your ethical objection to killing people, anyway ?
funkenstein_: none do as good as the original, lol still cracks me up
funkenstein_: but the organization in question is regarded as expert in driving ethics out of young recruits minds
mircea_popescu: and moreover, since when is the young recruit a standard of measure ?
funkenstein_: actualy i agree with you on that no such thing as ethics.. but that's a longer discussion
mircea_popescu: next you're going to judge the fief by the state of the peasantry.
mircea_popescu: if the young recruits weren't imbeciles, one probably wouldn't have to drive the broken fragments of a dysfunctionally-superficial pseudo-ethics out of their dumb skulls.
mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the point of every beta male since we were not yet descended.
funkenstein_: if you want merciless military, then go for it. but don't say "oh and here's our feelings discussion group"
mircea_popescu: that may well be what you're reading into it, rather than what they're saying.
mircea_popescu: lemme point out that the "feelings" idiots have no monopoly on ethics.
mircea_popescu: in fact, they have absolutely no connection to ethics.
mircea_popescu: if physics is mentioned do you automatically think of aluminum siding salesmen ?
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mircea_popescu: moreover, killing and mercilessness aren't in the automatic relationship here proposed. there is such a thing as mercy killing.
mircea_popescu: "VelocityViewServlet : Error processing a template for path '/vrender'
mircea_popescu: Invocation of method 'getSubjectsByDOI' in class npg.ncode.velocity.toolbox.OntologyTool threw exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded at /view/macros/global.macros.vm[line 1082, column 68]
mircea_popescu: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded"
mircea_popescu: aww, java lang outta memory ? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS B4
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 14:20:45; mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly what the slavegirl says : i am nothing, use me for something so in that i may become someone.
mircea_popescu: mno. this describes the condition of the vast majority of males.
mircea_popescu: that's what beating does, confronts the beta with the incontrovertible "if what i pretend were true and what i know to be true were not, how come i am then beaten ???"
mircea_popescu: before it comes to actual beatings, plenty of excuses to be had from all quarters
mircea_popescu: usually in the form "my real self hasn't emerged yet, but once it does... it took karate!11 it'll show you!11"
mircea_popescu: POSSIBLE CLASSIFICATION IS TOP SECRET FROM: the SIDtoday Editor
funkenstein_: just because one has been beaten does not mean one is "someone"
mircea_popescu: "You'll see people in shorts, tee-shirts, flip-flops, black clothes."
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ how did you read that in wha i said tho ?!
funkenstein_: but the one doing the beating is sadly often the less intelligent one
mircea_popescu: so what, you propose the presence of an ethics officer pleads against the jdf's intelligence ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes dude, whenever magic is discussed in terms of the robes and hats i will say retards.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ yes my whip is not the most intelligent part of the household. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always an excuse, sure. they only did it ironically, you say ? fine, fine.
mircea_popescu: ("ironically" is this internet meme where the actor pretends his actions are stupid but he knows it, he merely engages because of reasons. his job, his audience, tptb etc)
nubbins`: tldr, some crazy lady rented a house and was a bit crazy
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you sit them in the door and you slam the door into them. they WILL chew down the door, but also learn better.
nubbins`: feel free to skim the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the content
mircea_popescu: there's a reason those doing the beating are the dumbest of hte lot. this does not invalidate the beating.
nubbins`: asciilifeform get a chance to peek at that message?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the vice thing popped up today and reminded me of the paxton caser
nubbins`: very long transcript but filled with actual crazy.
nubbins`: the torture victim's name and picture were originally published but have since had a publication ban, so it's now "the victim" and the pics are all blurred.
nubbins`: there's conjecture that this is all related to outstanding investigations into hell's angels
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im not gonna read 69 pages of this thing and the article doesn't make it too clear , i could see either side. got some selected quotes ?
mircea_popescu: of course "investigation into hell's angels" is very much a case of police fighting a feud.
nubbins`: hard to find good examples, the crazy is spread out
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how would you explain the state of a roommate's palate ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu depends on whether i tortured him or not?
mircea_popescu: suppose some ignorant twerps who think it's spelled palette asked you, about the cook dude
nubbins`: guy presented to ER weighing 80lbs down from 250, with his entire bottom lip missing
nubbins`: covered in welts and cuts, ears cauliflowered
mircea_popescu: and you believe this is an impossibility re your cook roommate ?
mircea_popescu: this is the standard interepretation whenever something appears in vice/slate/the rest of the shitsites.
mircea_popescu: the case being otherwise is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence
mircea_popescu: on par with extraterrestrials opening a bronx pond shop
nubbins`: asciilifeform half the kids i went to uni with had houses messier than that
nubbins`: "look at this ghastly photo of a couple things laid on an unmade bed"
nubbins`: ^ check last 2 photos in order
mircea_popescu: i am at this point judging by the implicit cues and my understanding/preconceived notions re a functional police force that they most likely got their man.
mircea_popescu: now whether you'd convict on thebasis of that mostlycomes down to whether you're republican or democrat.
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nubbins`: googling "dustin paxton" brings pics of the victim, but i can't recommend you look at them
mircea_popescu: maybe they could take up the cause of feminism in gaming or something
mircea_popescu: “I'm glad that he was declared a dangerous offender, but that only takes one person off the street, and there are lots of Paxtons out there, so the laws have to be changed to keep the public safe,” she said.
mircea_popescu: “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”
☟︎ mircea_popescu: William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
mircea_popescu: William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie... and once the public's safe from all the paxtons, who's to keep isis out of the usis ?
mircea_popescu: bikers, (leather's missing), weird living arrangements ?
nubbins`: i've been reading about this case off and on for 4+ years and i still can't make any sense of it
nubbins`: dude did beat his roomie w/ dog leashes, extension cords, etc
nubbins`: is it still considered bdsm if only one party is into it? :D
mircea_popescu: by nature, yes. inasmuch as a party doesn't fight back, a welt's a welt and a smack's a smack you know ? whether you kloink your slave or your roomate over the head, whether they consented to it or not doesn't enter in the functions that return "isbraindamage" as aboolean.
nubbins`: i read once that the victim was actually brought around to various locations to be beaten by different people
mircea_popescu: is there some sort of canadian conspiraci ? are they afraid of that derpy canadian corp i bitchslapped thisspring ?
nubbins`: ehhh i think BDSM angle doesn't add any further drama
mircea_popescu: itdoesn't add any further drama ? you have the quote above.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 14:54:10; mircea_popescu: “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”
nubbins`: there was a push after this to add "torture" to the criminal code
nubbins`: as it stands, in canada, it's only torture if it's performed by a state
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nubbins`: what are they doing, repatriating it to the usa? :D
mircea_popescu: lol, the indian state is desperate because minority holder in the country. indians are nuts with the stuff.
shinohai: Someone may have literally shit gold bricks.
mircea_popescu: but yes, they are, "storing" it where the germans did.
kakobrekla: hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115.
thestringpuller: so garzik proposes a soft-fork, and the shills act more retarded than ever stating, "No. We need to hard fork the network and up the cap."
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: lmao y'know that's a point i hadn't considered.
pete_dushenski: or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake
pete_dushenski: in any event, promises to do this or that 'by the end of the century even though we won't have a country' is the 2nd lulziest shit all week
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 01:41:21; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe'
pete_dushenski: ford and mazda co-developed the platform and each made their own body style atop it
pete_dushenski: then computers came along and i didn't give a shit about cars until 2nd year university
pete_dushenski: after taking public transport for an hour each way to class when it was only a 10-minute drive, i started caring about cars pretty quickly
nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
☟︎ pete_dushenski: that's an extreme example, but even 'non-collectors' c3 vettes are still $15-20k here
assbot: Don't listen to Edward Snowden's supporters – his leaks have been a gift to terrorists - Comment - Voices - The Independent ... (
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pete_dushenski: "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups developing new encryption technology."
pete_dushenski: more like "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups to discard new encryption technology in favour of good ol' pgp. "
pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
☟︎ jurov: !up AmbitionzAzARida
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nubbins`: thestringpuller summers are busy so if this is a real project, yes, otherwise no
jurov: howdy! having 'roos outbreak in south africa?
ascii_field listened, out of entomological interest, to a recording of interview with hearn. yes, him. among the expected idiocies, hearn confessed to an interest in 'remote attestation' and 'trusted computing' as 'promising' alternatives to normally functioning bitcoin...
trinque: jurov: I already see him in that thread
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 15:59:37; pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
trinque: gimme the 2040s at the latest
ascii_field: but the bureaucratic flavour of 'u.n. minutes'
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
trinque: jurov: that thing looks damned fun; needs more lasers and MOAR POWER though
ascii_field: (there is a reason coherent beans are more interesting than 'archimedes'-style collimated white light)
ben_vulpes: IMAGES INTO POSTGRES BINARY FIELD WOOO
jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
☟︎ jurov: ben_vulpes: redirect them to imgur?
ben_vulpes: loosen her up with these big old binaries
nubbins`: ascii_field i think he used a lens to focus the discrete beams
nubbins`: that said, i was pretty unimpressed with the amount of time it took to light paper on fire
ascii_field: nubbins`: do you understand what 'coherence' means re: laser light ?
nubbins`: i could do better with a lens on a sunny day
jurov: he had fixed focus
jurov: might be interesting to reuse old camera with autofocus
nubbins`: i still think he used a lens to focus the beams 8)
jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
☟︎ jurov: energy gets trnasferred to target eithrt
trinque: matter of constructive or destructive interference right?
ascii_field: jurov: sorta like the famous gedankenexperiment where chinese radio orders all citizens to get on stools and jump at the same time
jurov: if you happen to end up with destructive coherence between two laser diodes, where the energy goes?
nubbins`: same place it goes when two people jump into opposite ends of pool
jurov: okay. so i'd combine different wavelengths diodes then. still more easily to obtain here than nagant parts and ammo
ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
☟︎ ascii_field: or hell, in what country can one not make an arbalest ?
jurov: nagant ==== arbalest now?
ascii_field: at close range, i'd rather take nagant bullet than a bolt from arbalest (if decently constructed)
ascii_field: ir. so no one will be making 'sexy' films about these.
jurov: see the chunky power supply next to it? that's why
ascii_field: jurov: photo doesn't even include the water pumps and chiller
ascii_field: (serious co2 lasers also recirculate the actual co2, rather than keeping it in sealed pipe)
mod6: gentoo has an ability to allow you to do an overlay .. but holy crap. gentoo is such a nightmare.
ascii_field: gentoo is a nightmare but the non-gentoo world is an utter hell
jurov: so, in the end, combining x diodes even if not coherent needs less energy than one coherent tube.
mod6: and the documentation is so bad, it's not even accurate, and makes assumptions about the audience. smh.
ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
☟︎ nubbins`: so i popped a brand-new piece of mesh this morning
mod6: trinque says y, "to learn gentoo, you must have learned gentoo". which is the total truth. you can't just pick this thing up and figure it out.
mod6: you have to pick it up and then figure out all out. bzzzzt.
ascii_field: jurov: the best known way to combine power from multiple diode lasers is fiber. but this only works for certain wavelengths where fiber works well.
ascii_field: jurov: you can get a few dozen kW of this on, e.g., 'ebay'
nubbins`: *brand* new. hadn't even been sullied with ink yet.
jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
☟︎ mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
☟︎ shinohai: I havent picked up gentoo yet :/
mod6: im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd
mod6: after 6 weeks, all that I can conclude about gentoo is it's basically unuseable.
nubbins`: there was some discussion on this
nubbins`: iirc, *BSD is a completely other type of retarded.
jurov: O.o how unuseable?
nubbins`: gentoo was chosen, i believe, at the behest of alf
nubbins`: mod6 i compiled bitcoind on gentoo
mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
☟︎ nubbins` takes a break from corporate income tax forms
jurov: maybe it just refuses to fit your preconceptions
mod6: naw, i have no preconceptions about anything. im talking about using this thing.
nubbins`: mod6 for god's sakes man, use specifics
jurov: i'm use it daily as my desktop. for years and yes, pls sepcifics
nubbins`: this is like telling the waiter your food tastes un-good
nubbins`: is it too salty or is there poop in it?
nubbins`: not sure why you shared that, but hi
mod6: what i'm sayin is this: without expert knowledge of how to use gentoo, I can't do what needs to be done in a reasonable amount of time. everyting for me in there is arduous, painstaking.
jurov: mod6 if what you are doing is compiling C binaries, then learning to solve gentoo problems is unavoidable part of it
jurov: and yes, what is *the* problem?
mod6: <+nubbins`> you can't get a bash prompt? << for instance on my POS box that I bought for $129.00 an x86_64 core2duo, I can't even install the os. All i can do is boot the livecd, do the chroot stuff, and then end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot. when it comes to my instance in AWS, i've had better luck, but doing stuff for me is so time consuming. in this case, i need to get gcc recompiled with patches to see if we can get past this error we
mod6: could I just pull down gcc-4.8.4 itself and patch? sure. it'd be a lot easier.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
mod6: but im positive that i'd never get it configured correctly to use uclibc and whatever other configurations are required to even test this patch. even if I get the patch to work, how am I supposed to get this into such a state that someone else can repeat it?
mod6: luckally trinque has been holdig my hand on all of this.
mod6: but... *shrug*. w/e.
ascii_field: and i should point out that in my mind gentoo is defined by ~absences~ of crud, rather than specific attributes which are ~present~
jurov: end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot << for example this is you're 90% there, use the prompt to find the kernel and boot, then reconfigure grub from the running system
mod6 goes back to banging his head
jurov: what head banging there?
jurov: grub can be problematic in any distro
trinque: their github readme tries to make it sound like it's not just about the block size
trinque: clear intent to frame the blocksize thing in the context of a bunch of other (bullshit) progress!
trinque: "DNS seed changes: bitseed.xf2.org is removed as it no longer works, and seeds from Addy Yeow and Mike Hearn are (re)added to increase seed diversity and redundancy." << LOL
fluffypony: [19:59:12] <Relos>I can hear mary antoinette saying: "let them eat cake"
fluffypony: Mary Antoinette sounds like a maid from the farmlands
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mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the thing trying to fix the signatures issue isn';t it ?
mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
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mircea_popescu: also iirc valid sigs that are uncompliant can actually be fixed without resigining
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 19:35:05; mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 15:38:37; nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
nubbins`: there's like $150 worth of concept sketches of you riding a horse and squinting at the sun around here somewhere
ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
☟︎ nubbins`: mircea_popescu ask tsp i guess :D
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is monumentally retarded to do whole day's work to read back an 8k rom.
ascii_field: have to tear it out, pull out pen, paper...
ascii_field: rom burner is this thing where you don't have to. pull the part # from db and drop in the chip
ascii_field: (into 'zif' socket with mechanical lever, too, avoid bending the ancient pins
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:45:18; jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
ascii_field: (you can drop arbitrary dip into a dip-40 so long as it physically fits, and the microcontroller knows what to do)
ascii_field: breadboards are also terrible re: distortion.
ascii_field: the correct solution to the problem is physically shaped like the above photo.
jurov: mircea_popescu: as long as there are breathing/talking holes left...
decimation: yeah breadboards have large distributed impedance
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:52:04; jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
mircea_popescu: not even. "cars going the same place and cars being wheel to wheel on the road"
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:59:25; ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
nubbins`: you also need a font with a # character
ascii_field: but the butane example pertains to hypothetical boy with access only to 'typical u.s. household' garbage
shinohai: yes indeed. potato quality indeed.
shinohai: i have jewish family. im not religious myself in any traditional sense.
shinohai: but, i couldn't resist a play on the yeshiva theme.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:06:34; ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
mircea_popescu: seriously, placing your hand to block the upside clearance of the berzelius glass ?
decimation: as much as they derp on shit, they still do a decent job of delivering a platform that is a stable target
trinque: decimation: I probably understand more about redhat's stable target than your garden-variety redhat user because I've used gentoo for so long
decimation: trinque: trust me I've lived on gentoo for years
decimation: it forced me to learn why I don't want the latest of everything
ascii_field: i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd to be quite unusable for daily work
trinque: yep, and also of what a linux system is actually composed
decimation: ascii_field: but you have admitted that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned to draft bin
decimation: so youre 'gentoo' is really gentoo* where * denotes "hand selected all software"
mircea_popescu: you know, trilema has a 5 minute delay in the rss feed for this and similar reasons
decimation: I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation
trinque: also had a great introductory experience w/ obsd
decimation: I also admit that rhel7 is a clusterfuck
trinque: decimation: doing the coreos thing with dual-roots or something?
decimation: well, it's more that redhat seems to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts
decimation: their focus on providing a reasonable experience for the console user is nearly nonexistent
ascii_field: there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on the pc end
decimation: ascii_field: why does it require specialized turdware then?
ascii_field: decimation: because the world is awash in turdmeisters
ascii_field: also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had to live in software
decimation: yeah, plus proprietary chip configurations
decimation: it's kinda like modern cars having few user-servicable parts
ascii_field: 'who needs a logic analyzer that can talk to software people write themselves' ? (see yesterday's thread)
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
decimation: ascii_field: yeah I read your bitching
jurov: you know of anything both insanely configurable and immediately intuitive?
ascii_field: decimation: it blows my mind that the market for sane engineering tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST
ascii_field: this is how you get the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc
jurov: mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's really a socialism problem. the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed the aristocratic "it makes sense". this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper,
decimation: ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used to work at HP developing logic analyzers
mircea_popescu: in the limited sense of "cheaper" that means "more accessible to the plebs"
decimation: he saw the writing on the wall when the winblows mandate came around, decided to bail
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thing is, we could get the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP
decimation: to be clear, in the case of logic analyzers the main problem is that only fancy chip makers use them anymore
ascii_field: (yes, the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~)
mircea_popescu: soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see the graphs.
decimation: ascii_field: surely there are older HP models that run HP-UX?
ascii_field: decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits to pc at channel speed !
decimation: then you might get to write some IEEE-488
decimation: these days if you want to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you
ascii_field: why the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ?
decimation: so the market for logic analyzers has shrunk to chip makers
ascii_field: if it can't piss the bits out to pc at 1G/s
decimation: this is a problem with test equipment in general
decimation: very few support streaming data at reasonable rates
decimation: because they assign their indian h1b to test the chip
ascii_field: decimation: slow as fuck, and USED CLOSED DRIVER
ascii_field: may as well be a winblows item like the 1,001 it competes with
decimation: the driver might be closed, but supposedly you can buy chinese knockoffs for cheap
trinque: I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there.
decimation: ascii_field: so you want high speed, streaming and no winblows?
decimation: heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published this month got less than 1k reads THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure.
mircea_popescu: i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around.
ascii_field: decimation: and it is way below the write speed of my hdd, which is the real limit
decimation: ascii_field: does it need to go down to DC? You could use an 'ettus radio'
ascii_field: if i have a steady state, it needs to show - that.
decimation: most of those radios don't go down below 100 mhz
ascii_field: decimation: radio doesn't pick up arbitrary waveforms
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
decimation: ascii_field: what about rhode & schwarz?
ascii_field: decimation: where is the mention of linux there ?
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
decimation: I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea
ascii_field: decimation: so 100% as worthless as agilent et al
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
trinque: mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend
decimation: they were trying to 'break into the market' with a different oscope
ascii_field: so they can give usg own price, and you - another
trinque: it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head
trinque: the handbook they have is overly complex, and tries to include you in the decisionmaking
mod6: eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as
mircea_popescu: mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases"
decimation: tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does
mod6: that's fair. gentoo might be the right move.
ascii_field: decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link
ascii_field: motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes.
ascii_field: talking about perhaps 1,000 transistors here.
decimation: well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface
decimation: then all they have to sell is some analog electronics attached to a digitizer
mircea_popescu: ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ?
decimation: I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules too
ascii_field: and anyone pursuing sanity today, needs it.
mircea_popescu hands ascii_field a roll of duct tape and taped old tv shows
ascii_field: probably ought to explain. see all of those instruments that were never reverse-engineered adequately ?
ascii_field: it was from a lack of precisely this simple tool.
mircea_popescu: looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche.
mircea_popescu: i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website"
ascii_field: most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.'
decimation: everything is made en-mass in chip fabs
decimation: if the indian tester fucked up the chip for your application, sucks for you
mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, how does one check cardanos without an oscilloscope ?
☟︎ ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro
ascii_field: but, fortunately, it is a low-speed device
mircea_popescu: my question to you is, why must it be checked at higher frequency than what we use.
ascii_field: but in this story i was not speaking of cardano
mircea_popescu: do half, one and a half, three, whatever's normally done.
ascii_field: one sometimes wishes to capture fast signals, e.g., pci bus.
mod6: <+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet. i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. he
ascii_field: mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff
trinque: ascii_field: stageN -> genkernel -> grub2-install -> grub2-mkconfig ??
mod6: well, im afraid of that too. so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then.
ascii_field: what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ
ascii_field: and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely
ascii_field: but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days'
ascii_field: perhaps particle accelerator is better analogy
decimation: ascii it is quite possible that oscopes with this kind of capability are considered itar controlled
mod6: i guess i didn't realize that gentoo =~ particle accelerator haha
decimation: yeah but generally if it is itar controlled, nobody makes except maybe for golden toilet price
trinque: that should at least clear the grub hurdle
trinque: it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind"
mod6: my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working". but what about everyone else?
decimation: ascii_field: honestly if you want this product you are probably going to need to build yourself
ascii_field: decimation: here i sit, building approximately it myself.
ascii_field: decimation: very tediously, and at great expense.
trinque: mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does?
mod6: so, anyway, i dunno. i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself. go from there I guess.
ascii_field: decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I.
mod6: i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I.
trinque: mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there
mod6: ok. cool. I'll give it a try.
ascii_field: mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i.
trinque: thing is partitioning's a very personal decision
mod6: well, we started with Deb6 + packages.
decimation: so you only need 500 mhz '1-bit' samples?
decimation: this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has
trinque: mod6: if you use the disk image approach the livecd story becomes very simple
trinque: that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure
trinque: complete with various "oh you want to encrypt /home ?" and so on
trinque: livecd boots, starts bash script whose only purpose is to be told which drive to obliterate with a standard base image
mod6: trinque: with the image, don't we run into issues with hardware other than x86_64?
trinque: you'd just make separate base images
ascii_field: mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart
ascii_field: e.g., mircea_popescu's box flaked for no known reason
decimation: why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86?
trinque: anyhow I've given my opinion on how this ought to be done.
ascii_field: decimation: because they are no longer readily available ?
mod6: <+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo?
ascii_field: mod6: you can set yours to x86, or sparc, or whatever
decimation: what isn't available? doesn't x86-64 also run 32 bit?
decimation: it's true you would need a highly restricted hardware list
mod6: are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute. my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I.
trinque: none of this applies to booting the thing
trinque: if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up.
mod6: I'm just trying to figure out how to get some comprehensive steps so just about anyone who wants to can use our gentoo thingy.
decimation: mod6: I'm saying ditch gentoo, use buildroot
decimation: but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware
mod6: isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo?
mircea_popescu: mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~.
ascii_field: mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc.
ascii_field: buildroot works great when everyone has physically same computer.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things.
ascii_field: i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed.
mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts.
BingoBoingo: Url and title can mismatch, get moar SEO gainz that way
trinque: I'm gonna have to finish my genbootstrap script before you guys accept gentoo can be installed, I can see.
trinque started in data centers derping out OSs to boxen
jurov: trinque: will it be capable to resolve boxen suddenly refusing to boot?
trinque: I refuse to accept that that's even a thing.
trinque: you don't keep backup kernels around?
trinque never throws away a "known good" anything once had
mircea_popescu: "Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate."
decimation: "What a system like Atomwise actually does can be pretty opaque to a general audience."
jurov: i do. but some people become enraged upon encountering grub> prompt
danielpbarron: "harassing a doxxing" should be *and ? << BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ?
ascii_field: decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do
trinque: jurov: yeah and you had it earlier; you can easily load a kernel from that
trinque: config's only running commands against that
ascii_field: (it did not work especially well, and was not especially fun)
decimation: ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already
mod6: trinque and I tried to get my thing to work from grub> for hours one night, perhaps a few different times. if it was simple, we'd have resolved it. it's probably my dumb POS box.
ascii_field: decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:01; fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)
ascii_field: e.g., just about everyone at this point went to first grade and would spit on a claimed perpetuum mobile, but if you ask'em to invest in 'miraculous' protein fold solver - different matter
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nice body but that face :\
decimation: ascii_field: but don't you know Big Pharma supresses us!
mircea_popescu: in other news, a turducken walks into the counsellor's office
mircea_popescu: "doc, i dunno what to do... i feel like a chicken trapped in a turkey's body"
trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
☟︎ cazalla: mircea_popescu, you do know you can fuck both ends yeah?
mircea_popescu: decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship
mircea_popescu: as their original bs is very hard to sell in the current political climate.
decimation: agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial
mircea_popescu: trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious.
mircea_popescu: Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman.
decimation: trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7
decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
☟︎ trinque: yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:25:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight.
trinque: decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
trinque: trinque | yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:30:09; decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
trinque: ascii_field: it's obvious I'm saying that picking hardware which is known in advance to boot gentoo
trinque: if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol
ascii_field: (i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.)
ascii_field: you can tunnel x11 out of it if you insist.
ascii_field: (most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.)
trinque: heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up
ascii_field: has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay
ascii_field: (this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS)
jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora?
☟︎ trinque: I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that
trinque: your bitchin gaming pc goes behind it
ascii_field: decimation: laugh, but winblows boots on'em!
ascii_field: finds the onboard vga (with no output) even.
ascii_field: ('corebios' aka linuxbios ships with a simple dos-compat. layer that will boot winblows if you must)
ascii_field: in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good.
ascii_field: (that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them)
ascii_field: even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback
mircea_popescu: all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?!
mircea_popescu: wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm
decimation: ascii_field: can you boot from eeprom?
mats: fun fact (unapproved by the FCC): the VGA is a decent TX-only SDR.
trinque: mircea_popescu: means "not fair, give me your shit"
mats: i've not seen that before
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:38:55; jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: microshit discourages functional opengl in gpu drivers
ascii_field: (they wish to have their 'directx' turd in universal, mandatory use)
ascii_field: problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers.
ascii_field: any common factors between the unhappy cards ?
decimation: *nvidia recommends winblows for optimal experience
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but next s.mg report is going to contain list of functional gpus.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
ascii_field: where it turns into actual gpu instructions
mircea_popescu: that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly.
mircea_popescu: stirctly, strictly that. i don't aim to run a university, i aim to run a decimation service.
ascii_field: burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~)
ascii_field: which camel? the one who walks through the eye of a needle ?
mircea_popescu: IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
ascii_field: decimation: that gets you ~one particular chip~
mircea_popescu: so far i'm waiting for someone with experience to go "oh! well of course!"
decimation: the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low
mircea_popescu: i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not
mircea_popescu: and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking
trinque: govt owes her state-funded skin pigment reassignment
trinque: usistan, glorious empire of delusional narcissism
shinohai: is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz ?
mats: ask your question, don't ask to ask
shinohai: blocking nodes is inefficient, yes?
trinque: INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER
shinohai: my apologies, I am researching as well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3500 @ 0.00111 = 3.885 BTC
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.
shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default
☟︎ shinohai: thiswould be better when i arrive home, irc on phone is terrible
trinque wonders if pf could accomplish that
trinque: shinohai: sounds like a patch to bitcoind
shinohai: there are only a few hundred ip's if that
mircea_popescu: shinohai nothing prevents you from ignoring any node. this is how people deal with hooligans, it's been a thing since forever.
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own.
mircea_popescu: seeing how what version you run is a political choice more than a technological one, accepting dissent is -ev for your own affairs.
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, a consensus mechanism, not a fucking science journal.
shinohai: I'm good then. its running so meh
trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
☟︎ jurov: only bandar toolkit is something that i can both make and have sense to have blessed
danielpbarron: i must be close to being able to make something useful. I've been scoring claims that yeild 100+ items
jurov: danielpbarron: today?
jurov: yest everything i found was tiny
danielpbarron: well.. "last night" .. "very very early this morning"
danielpbarron: the learning curv is very steep with eulora, to the point where it's a chore to get going with it. But once I had a few things figured out it is now becoming addictive
jurov: danielpbarron: could say sooner the claims are there. i just logged in today and let it be.
jurov: at least figured out cs supports python scripting
Bob32442: hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed?
jurov: Bob32442: what cap? blocksize?
Bob32442: so... wait, then why does anyone use bitcoin if they think that's going to happen?
Bob32442: Maybe I should read the rest of it lol
mircea_popescu: "anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit.
mircea_popescu: people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education.
mircea_popescu: who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc.
mike_c: jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game?
jurov: just found scripting support in cs and after some diddling, compiled and ran tutorial app
jurov: seems that feature was left to rot
mike_c: so the plan would be to modify client in someway that would then support python scripting
jurov: yes, if ~ then i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too
trinque: doesn't seem like they're amused by the "pivot"