danielpbarron: only to barely glance what was inside once open? << i confidently walked through security at the new york marathon (post boston bombing) without having my backpack checked; had a stainless steel 64 oz bottle inside
jurov at first read stainless steel 64 oz blade inside
danielpbarron: everyone else queued up with their bag in hand, arms outstretched
danielpbarron: i walked right up to the guy with the wand, he waved it around and let me through
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jurov: also, while code may be encased in acrylate, it's easy victim for future C compilers hyperoptimizations
mircea_popescu: <jurov> in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys << quite.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "Satoshi Dice couldn't merge tx's anyway because bitcoind is written by monkeys"
mircea_popescu: gtfo google. there's exactly one source on the whole internet.
ben_vulpes: decimation, asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: what does it mean for openssl to load files in from disk as discussed last night? is it compiling .txts into machine code? loading precompiled stuff?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i don't know a transisto, no.
decimation: ben_vulpes: usually libdl is used to load a binary library *after* the program has launched
decimation: a common scenario is when you want to load 'binary plugins'
decimation: which themselves are compiled .so files
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "After messing around with this code for about a month I decided to write this up for the tubes in the hope that I can save some souls. I have come to the conclusion that OpenSSL is equivalent to monkeys throwing feces at the wall. It is, bar none, the worst library I have ever worked with. I can not believe that the internet is running on such a ridiculous complex and gratuitously stupid piece of code. Since circa 199
mircea_popescu: 8 the whole world has been trusting their secure communications to this impenetrable morass that calls itself the "OpenSSL" project. I bet that the doctors that work on that shitshow can not prescribe anything useful either!"
decimation:
http://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg05003.html < "Support for hardware acceleration is on its way that will use DSOs, this is so that the library and applications can have acceleration support but still run on platforms that don't have the acceleration drivers. Eg. you could even build applications that *can* support hardware acceleration using platforms without the hardware/drivers."
decimation: so what he's saying is that they put the libdl stuff in there so that you could load a binary driver for custom hardware
decimation: without recompiling the openssl library
trinque: that module loading thing is like they almost knew the thing should be broken into small pieces, but not quite
decimation: what it comes down to is that distribution 'vendors' wanna ship you binaries
cazalla: ben_vulpes, ah you mentioned him in the logs so i thought otherwise
trinque: decimation: here attach this mystery device to your bloodstream
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2014 01:23:02; benkay: !up Transisto
mircea_popescu: * Load CA certs from a file into a ::STACK. Note that it is somewhat misnamed;
mircea_popescu: * it doesn't really have anything to do with clients (except that a common use
mircea_popescu: * for a stack of CAs is to send it to the client). Actually, it doesn't have
mircea_popescu: * much to do with CAs, either, since it will load any old cert.
mircea_popescu: STACK_OF(X509_NAME) *SSL_load_client_CA_file(const char *file)
mircea_popescu: ahaha epic. no fucking wonder bitcoin-proto works on open-ssl
decimation: re: full auto < yeah us mil agrees, the ar-15 (m16) isn't made with full auto anymore, only 3-round burst. even this is almost never used. There is a place for full auto, and it is on a machine gun that is heavy enough to fire at full auto without completely losing accuracy
decimation: mircea_popescu: openssl has weird re-implementations of all kinds of crazy shit
decimation: yeah, crew served or mounted on a vehicle
cazalla: ben_vulpes, nothing untoward, his name just popped up in a trailer for a video and i searched logs here but few hits
decimation: re: asciilifeform on a boat < wash dc is famous for having a 'marina' on the potomac where one can live for the price of a boat and a few $k per year
decimation: re: italians < especially southern italians. northern ones tend to be a bit more germanic
decimation: asciilifeform: wow they even placed your shield? neat
mircea_popescu: yeah, the southerners are too disorganised to even be corrupt properly
mircea_popescu: need a berlusconi or something to show them how it'd sone
decimation: of course, note that nearly all 'italian americans' come from southern italy
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 00:30:52; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
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mircea_popescu: what, "we did most of the job" not good enough for ya ?!
mircea_popescu: in this day and age things aren't as they used to be, yo!
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mircea_popescu: generally everyone flies through ezeiza, but it doesn't matter.
decimation: asciilifeform: how did you get prices for your bom?
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed << ahh, awesome. not a problem. Thanks!
decimation: cool. well, I'm glad it worked out for you. I suspect that this is probably being subsidized by bezzlars
decimation: actually now is the time to find prototyping services in europe or ru
decimation: I wonder if they have heavy automation or cheap labor?
PeterL: asciilifeform:the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' << how about caseless rounds?
decimation: right, but how could it possibly be economical to load two parts into a pick n' place
mircea_popescu: btw re computers and looms thread a coupla months back, i somehow forgot to mention the jacquard loom specifically.
decimation: asciilifeform: somewhat before babbage
mod6: jurov: still doesn't seem to be working.
mod6: asciilifeform: this is the device you ordered?
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decimation: everyone and his mom in sillycon valley wants to loft a satellite constellation
decimation: what are they gonna use for the uplink/downlink frequencies? access equipment?
mircea_popescu: simpler problem : leaving aside the "Ever and ever" bs, even if you plan for 10 years you need tbs of hdd and gbs of ram. in space.
mircea_popescu: you're already talking half a ton of gear here. i didn't hear of aerospace material going for $200 / kg yet.
decimation: the attitude in the sillycon valley space complex these days is that you can just launch some more sats
Adlai: nah the blockchain will be in storj
decimation: also, it's not quite as big an issue since they are below the van allen belts
decimation: but it also means that the sats won't stay up very long
mircea_popescu: i'm half tempted to do a "basics of satellites" like the hollywood and the corn one. however...
mircea_popescu: i suspect there are more experienced aerospace minds here. how about you do it instead ?
mircea_popescu: btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described.
mircea_popescu: it stands with the finest italian handmade gelateria in the same relation as this later beast stands with budweiser
decimation: asciilifeform: they aren't gonna last very long if they can't deliver working circuits
decimation: asciilifeform: did you order these with all parts populated?
decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Maybe the wrong shade of blue for the PCB is problematic?
BingoBoingo: How do these fuckers expect to do a business off of 1-off boards when a two board order offers two dead boards
decimation: presumably they will make you two more if it's their fault
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: can't you make them an offer they can't refuse?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i meant. you know "come to an understanding" if fuck ups occur?
BingoBoingo: Prolly time to get some Chinese sweatshop workers into your shed with that H1B visa deal
thestringpuller: lol those poor chinese workers. dunno if asciilifeform is as benevolent of slave driver as mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: you didn't need to burn that current anyways
ben_vulpes: "look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out.
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah except in this case, the taco stand bills itself as a custom taco stand
ben_vulpes: and their tacos are clocking in at .75 per, to extend the metaphor.
danielpbarron: i guess there's an obvious reason as to why they can't do whatever tests you are doing before they ship the things
decimation: testing boards is a whole other layer of complexity
decimation: could be done, but not over mass production of one-offs
decimation: I'm surprised the pick n place doesn't auto test passives actually
ben_vulpes: the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education.
decimation: yeah, failing to insert proper part in the tube is electronics manufacturing 101 error
ben_vulpes: during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs
decimation: so you suspect that they bought shitass chinese parts?
ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf
☟︎ decimation: ben_vulpes: sure, for arbitrary $$$ can be done
cazalla: "I will need the support of everyone while inside, and I would appreciate it so much. Even $10 would go along way. There are a few days to send me money."
decimation: asciilifeform should send him some smoked sprat
decimation: noisy chump falls into the noisy usg chumpatron, news at 11
ben_vulpes: hey noisy chump what travel bezzle are you using to procure tickets to con3?
decimation: asciilifeform: it appears you can RMA the thing
decimation: might as well turn the chumpatron wheel
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ben_vulpes: i'll admit to shitting more than a single brix over its issuance, given my presence here and name change froofraw.
ben_vulpes: fuckers declined to send me back my court papers and expired passport.
decimation: ben_vulpes: I think you can pay to expedite
ben_vulpes: despite! claims all over forms that supporting docs will be returned with issued passport.
ben_vulpes: that part was unnecessary, and risks putting one in the 'extra scrutiny' bin as i see it.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 02:41:13; decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no you see, the lizard shitgnomes got to it
decimation: ben_vulpes: did your passport come with 'rfid condom'?
decimation: ben_vulpes: the state dept faq claims they issue one with each
thestringpuller: decimation: i thought all passports had RFID chips in them
ben_vulpes: decimation: by 'condom' i assume you mean faraday cage?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... the cutout of the two boards sounds like a great blogpost.
mircea_popescu: decimation what's an ungrounded faraday cage supposed to do again ?
ben_vulpes: ssn and passport number no doubt lifted en route
decimation: it's not a true faraday cage, but it will attenuate
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what l33t deelz did you find? the best i'm offered is ~1.3k rt
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ben_vulpes: do any of you know anything about relational schema design? i'm derping on a thing and would like to run an early early early schema draft by someone who actually understands relational dbs.
ben_vulpes: trinque's already helped with it, but i'm looking for more eyes
decimation: actually I think the new 'chip n pin' implementation for credit cards in the us is rf-id based
ben_vulpes: (project is relational modeling of blockchain, for the curious)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ibidem actually means "in the same place". if you mean idem (ie, the same) say idem!
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2015 06:52:34; asciilifeform: chain of pointers << tree.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2015 06:53:07; asciilifeform: (satoshi did not go in for book-learning, it seems, esp. re: data structures, but that doesn't mean that we have to forget school)
ben_vulpes: the storage on disk is a thing of import, no doubt.
ben_vulpes: but a *queryable* blockchain is something else entirely.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage.
decimation: yeah I don't have enough database design experience to comment on that
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no doubt this will be the largest usecase for harddrives going forward
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i grow more and more tempted every day to use postgres as a filesystem.
mircea_popescu: and as they become obsolete in the future, ppl not wanting to upgrade their bitcoin archives will provide hdds with one of those ada or lisp-esque eternal lives.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes im not informed enough to guess, but maybe a "best of both words" hybrid could thrive.
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NewLiberty: ben_vulpes: "Gweedo" did quite a bit of RDBM crunching of the block chain for a project of his, he had many failures and learned much
decimation: asciilifeform: well at least they replied promptly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they sound very nice you know ? i'd send them the boards an' detail.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if you're spending 75 dollars, you didn't need them at all sheesh
ben_vulpes: you're not siemens, you don't swing 500m in legal fees every quarter, you don't get to go over the bills with a fine toothed comb etc
mircea_popescu makes mental note : if alf spends time anticipating a nice itam and then doesn't get it, alf gets very pissy!
ben_vulpes: happy to spend thousands on worthless arcana tho :P
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty what ever happened to that guy ? still around ?
NewLiberty: Not so much on BCT, more on CryptoCrypt
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage. << i definately wanna discuss this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, send them the things, gotta help em. they're new.
mircea_popescu: mod6 if you write a spec or something ima read it, for whatever good that's gonna do
NewLiberty: He was doing a rdbs project with open API for folks that want cloud nodes but didn't want to run them.
decimation was hoping to send them some analog designs, was waiting to see what happened to ascii after he entered the chumpatron
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok thanks!
NewLiberty: His latest project though was for a bitcoin webcam company, pretty girls and such
decimation: I think the 'waldo' device is a great idea for building small prototypes
NewLiberty: I was an rdb wonk but my expertise is a decade or so stale.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When you grow more shiva hands may I suggest a hobby? Photograph pine trees. Contemplate which one when converted to stake best matches each shitgnomism.
decimation: for mounting the convicted at the appropriate height pour encourager les autres
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 03:08:17; ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf
decimation: maybe they were angry that some bum shot some cops in ferguson
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trinque: +mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes im not informed enough to guess, but maybe a "best of both words" hybrid could thrive. << BeFS comes to mind; filesystem with relational features
ben_vulpes: fuckuppy.jpg << asciilifeform ah i've found your problem they put the resistors on backwards on one of the boards
trinque: I think (but am less familiar with) reiserfs has the same sort of metadata querying
trinque: this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time
☟︎ trinque: ben_vulpes: familiar with postgresql's large objects?
ben_vulpes: trinque: 'large objects' << no, tell me more
trinque: heh, and wife-killer tainted tech too!
trinque: say you want to put your big-ass mkv movies in postgres along with their metadata
trinque: and it doesn't slow down your queries, as the big shit is stored elsewhere of course and made reference to
ben_vulpes: this postgres as fs idea may actually have legs
decimation: ben_vulpes: postgres will make a decent fs
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your objections to things suffer from the "boy who cried wolf" problem
decimation: it'll be slow and cumbersome, but would work
trinque: pretty much like using fopen and whatnot
decimation: it's probably better than oracle my sql
ben_vulpes: eventually boy who cries wolf is ignored, even when wolf is coming
ben_vulpes: particularly when woods are full of wolves.
decimation: ben_vulpes: the new hotness these days is some kind of nosql running on a cluster
trinque: decimation: fuck that shit
trinque: nosql is the same hipsterism that gets us nodejs
ben_vulpes: i'll have no truck with unstructured languages that don't support querying
trinque: decimation: as those monstrosities "improve" they tend towards what rdbms has done forever
trinque: and invariably worse than what came before
decimation: they are perfectly fine if you really just want to store gobs of unstructured shit
trinque: decimation: I don't believe that unstr... yeah that
ben_vulpes: <decimation> but in reality you want structure << this
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: should i be concerned with these pure performance issues?
ben_vulpes: i want data i can query with a 'sane' language
decimation: ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree
trinque: decimation: depends on what questions interest you
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: applying software to business problems.
ben_vulpes: not pure "fast as fuck" compute problems.
trinque: or more importantly, whether you know those questions exhaustively in advance
ben_vulpes: <decimation> ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree << i want to say "select * from outputs where output.spent_transaction is null;"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: blockchain queries are a business logic concern!
ben_vulpes: i really have no interest in optimized for min storage or max whatever the fuck
ben_vulpes: optimal for me is always going to be somewhere around "gives me leverage on data"
trinque: how else do you ask a computer an actual question?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i see where i went wrong vis-a-vis ibid/idem now.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm about to pass out mang
trinque: where you at? I wont smoke but I could walk
ben_vulpes: righto, let's stroll through the cemetary
ben_vulpes: 's no recoleta, but it serves my needs adequately
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'danger, 1,000,000 ohms!' << i forget, what's the resistence of 1mm of air ? like 1mn was it ?
decimation: aye, breakdown voltage greatly reduced once there is plasma
decimation: ^ same reason you can bounce radio waves off of metor trails through the upper atmosphere
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 04:31:31; trinque: this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i had in mind tho, was more specficially "for blockchain only".
mircea_popescu: as in, trivially : make the sectors the size of a block
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 17:08:55; asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.)
mircea_popescu: right. in which line : since all hdds come reflashable anyway, how hard would it be to rape a ssd like we're raping the pogo, i wonder ?
mircea_popescu: throw out its own blob, put in ours, make blockchain hdd.
decimation: so you want to talk to the db over the sata bus?
decimation: not saying it's a bad idea, just amusing
decimation: I guess I don't see much point, considering that even having a sata bus implies you have a computer
mircea_popescu: i want, in this order a) a fully b-a computing stack for bitcoin ; b) utter disrespect for antecessors made manifest.
decimation: I can see why you would want to ensure the security of your drive, but that's a seperate matter
mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, breaking any ansi standard is a net gain.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, might as well produce a pci-e card under s.nsa label
decimation: actually you could just use plain serial rs-232 bus
decimation: not like you need high bandwidth anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, just to add : the people who have come before us have embedded into the very history of computing such burning, enraged contempt for us, that really damnatio is too good a fate.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's many fields outside of perhaps psychology where "practitioners" have for so long acted with such intense disregard for posterity.
mircea_popescu: the casual perusal of openssl that earlier article triggered has crystallized this point in my head.
decimation: mircea_popescu: just like (nearly?) everyone who opens a bitcoin exchange succumbs to the temptation to run 'fractional'
decimation: every hardware vendor succumbs to the temptation to pwn its audience
mircea_popescu: this is like "originbally, the bridge standing at all was impressive"
mircea_popescu: the idea that you ~must~ code, whether it works or not, no matter what, is scandalous.
mircea_popescu: i don't code. principally because i can't be arsed to do a good job of it.
decimation: re: ~must code~ : historically there has been great profit in it, working or no
mircea_popescu: this is no argument in this discussion, tho. historically there has been great profit in all sorts of dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: really, find me a piece of code written with a clear contrite consideration of "people will read this tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: in the manner people write fucking books. or at least did, before the great usian likbez pogrom
mircea_popescu: so he did. i recall reading it and not understanding what he meant at the time
mircea_popescu: i generally manage to identify the actual experts in fields.
mircea_popescu: they're, contrary to what the "consumers have come to expect" like to pretend, very easy to find
mircea_popescu: hegel was the same way, in the cluj universitarian library. supposedly the european expert in hegel resided there.
mircea_popescu: now /that/ is very dark ages. not that many practical moralists in 1200
mircea_popescu: for that matter, not that many economists in soviet russia.
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mircea_popescu: he was actually, in comparative terms, more of a noted expert in the field of safe cracking than in the field of physics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform writing a book of actual economy in moscow 1960 was equally titanical and demoralizing. or to get back to earth : a book on actual psychopathology in leningrad, bout same time.
gabriel_laddel: Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, is the article of faith that jesus is coming on a great atomic dirigible from the sky to take us to the other planet and smite the unbelievers ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: If people were to take issue with this perhaps I'm missing information (and thus need to learn xyz). I'm going to do as I please either way, but prefer to be accurate.
mircea_popescu: Fartse - The World's Premiere Gravity Well Degravitizer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand. argentina is trying to support a romania-level living standard on the basis of... soy exports.
mircea_popescu: they used to export carne vacuna, but then failed to meet their quotas and lost the contracts.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile romania is exporting nuclear technology, weaponry, high tech mechanics etc.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: regarding "code as data" common lisp has the var *read-eval* you can bind to nil if you're processing code as data.
mircea_popescu: they don't have a drydock. or a car factory. or a truck factory. or a plane factory.
gabriel_laddel: also, pretty trivial to flatten some sexprs and check that only kosher symbols in it.
mircea_popescu: if china (and to some degree russia an' italy) stop propping them, argentina goes to meet cuba on its way to chad.
mircea_popescu: on the positive side however : this is the closest you can get to china commercially without getting close to them in a political sense.
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cazalla: so i goes on the whaleclub teamspeak on account i'm drunk..
cazalla: a) can't get their version of !up to speak
cazalla: b) some random cunt is talking about launching an altcoin whereby he "destroys an oz of gold on webcam" as proof of burn for creation of his altcoin
☟︎ cazalla: c) such whales talking about the joys of flipping bitcents for gift cards
cazalla: worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot
☟︎ cazalla: bitnodes pop up with similar shit pinging the network
cazalla: nubbins`, u evar gonna make posters again? i saw the last edition was fetching a decent price on bitcointalk
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cazalla: i did not mention this due to criticism of mancave.. but as i sat in my recently acquired mancave, i thought it would be a suitable spot (have relocated back to shared computer/craft room on account autumn is here and mancave is too fucking cold)
nubbins`: cazalla i thought about a "how to spot scams" poster or similar
nubbins`: if you want one of the last edition, TECSHARE probably is dying to get rid of his
kakobrekla: i think i still have 4 of them posters
cazalla: you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus and the kid push you out of the masterbedroom due to lack of sleep and then push you out the kids room which was turned into makeshift computer room but needs it back because apparently a pig pen isn't big enough for him now, you might appreciate the man cave aka cold ass garage
☟︎ kakobrekla: if anyone is interested i guess i could part em.
cazalla: kakobrekla, i'm drunk, i talk shit when drunk, sorta how i make bitbet's and forget to bet on my own bets
cazalla: so even if i was intersted, sober cazalla might not be as willing to pay a premium
cazalla: felt a little bad about that as i was trying to talk BingoBoingo into a bet over the bali nine executions to come on account i think they'll go free
cazalla: so settled on using bitbet for it but.. alcohol and fucked it all up
nubbins`: cazalla you are not sleeping in the garage
cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors
☟︎☟︎ cazalla: nubbins`, i was, but i took the bed back into the kids room
nubbins`: closest thing i have to a mancave is a FULLY FUNCTIONING AND FULLY APPOINTED SILKSCREEN PRINTING STUDIO IN MY BASEMENT
cazalla: garage is not that bad tbh, reminds me of when i had my own place by the beach, no woman, no kids
nubbins`: THAT I CAN SMOKE DOPE IN BECAUSE IT HAS EXHAUST FANS
nubbins`: shoulda snipped your tubes hey
cazalla: she's a good woman, he's a good kid
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: "you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus" << !s beat her
cazalla: i just prefer the autism sanctuary of living by onesself
cazalla: gabriel_laddel you can't do that in this country
nubbins`: when living alone, i ended up spending most of my time at other's houses
cazalla: the big mistake i made was getting a woman pregnant prior to living with her.. things were all fine and dandy while i had my own place and could fuck her and send her home after the fact
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: www.trilema.com "pack your bags women we're going to"
cazalla: i could leave her in a heart beat, but not my son
cazalla: hey, i long ago admitted i am an idiot
gabriel_laddel: Note that I dont necessarily endorse MP's viewpoint but it is rather well developed.
☟︎ cazalla: coming here day in, day out, reduces that
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cazalla: and i can't take the kid.. needs a mum as much as he does a father.. i don't go for that single parent shit
cazalla: anyway, i'm drunk, so emotions are amplified, my life is not as bad as i might claim when drunk
gabriel_laddel: regarding this chainalysis.com thing (from the bitcoin talk link above)
gabriel_laddel: "I have a new favorite douchebag profile pic: Enthralling My Fucking Audience. This one is phenomenal; you’ve probably seen it somewhere amongst your fucking friends. It’s where a Very Important Dbag (VIDb) is captivating above-mentioned audience solely through the power of his personal presence. Jesus Christ, the fucking hubris. The fucking insane, idiotic hubris. Examples culled from an eleven-second scrub of
gabriel_laddel: God, what hateable profile photos and job descriptions.
cazalla: but i will say.. these red pill dickheads on reddit that mourn for a lack of virginal wife to have a family with aka
http://i.imgur.com/zEEL7S4.jpg i've had the frigid virginal wife and the whore girlfriend who sucked any dick within arms reach and i will swear black and blue that the whore is far more satisfying despite the 24/7 drama
gabriel_laddel: I'm surprised that methheads have bugs crawl out of their arms rather than jews.
cazalla: haha yeah, /pol/ got me mixed up with that shit until 23andme suggested i was a traitor to the cuase (if 23andme is to be believed)
cazalla: ./pol/ blames jews for everything
cazalla: and at the time (this is prior to #b-a) i thought i could see such things too
cazalla: omg the jews! it's the joos as bitcoinpete would say
gabriel_laddel: "until 23andme suggested i was a traitor to the cause"
cazalla: but then 23andme suggests i have some jew in me
cazalla: so i was like fuck, better not tell /pol/ that
cazalla: but 23andme also said i have west african negro in me, so sorta cancels the jew out anyway
gabriel_laddel: What I find so lulzy about the whole situation is that if you take the supposed Zionist lit and the /pol/ people 100% seriously it basically reduces to "jews think that others are cattle"
☟︎ cazalla: anyway, one might argue, and i did try, that /pol/ is a short stop otw to #b-a
☟︎ cazalla: and i promoted it to /pol/ but i was shut down and accused of being jidf so
☟︎ cazalla: at that point, ya sorta realise ok they really are fucking crazy cause i sure as fuck am not shilling for jidf from the mancave
cazalla: still, i can't help but feel affection for a homogeneous society like japan.. fucking mudslimes and other ethnics have destroyed australia within a generation
☟︎ cazalla: lefty whitey australian so quick to demand rights for the new australia muslims for some reason
gabriel_laddel: and the "right" (or whatever) was weak enough to allow them to
nubbins`: worth arguing that whitey destroyed ethnic australia
cazalla: nubbins`, fucking baby boomers eh? (this is who i blame nowadays)
nubbins`: anyway it's sort of silly to pretend that immigration to australia is the problem
nubbins`: since, cough, every white person in australia is either an immigrant or a recent descendent thereof
nubbins`: just "this door should be closed!" right after you walk through it sounds a bit silly
cazalla: yeah my missus constantly reminds me that i am the most racist first generation australian she has met
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: what, you're a "attractive-ist" for only fucking hot gurlz?
gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK.
☟︎☟︎ cazalla: i don't mind imperialism but it fucked up by not wiping out the abos
nubbins`: and we all know that a society of hedonists is a good society indeed
☟︎ nubbins`: gabriel_laddel sure, but when COWS start saying it?
gabriel_laddel: all these "right wing" "conservitive" organizations or whatever are pathetic. I was looking into e.g., the golden dawn earlier tonight...
nubbins`: the racist is generally an intellectual dullard
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, ya know why it is attractive to idiot country bumpkins like me though right?
nubbins`: because it lets you ignore yourself as the cause of all your problems?
☟︎ cazalla: nubbins`, clearly part of it
cazalla: i'm out of wine so not sure if i should lol
nubbins`: incidentally, the original white inhabitants of this land mass on which i currently am living totally wiped out an entire race of people who had lived here prior
gabriel_laddel: "The one thing which Timisoara does consistently and well is failure. In 2007 I attempted to organise an art exhibit, on the terms that I was going to pay, in cash, for everything involved. They didn't manage to do it. Last year, I attempted to support a nascent local party, by paying for a quarter's rent and other expenses (a quarter ton of alcohol, mostly) for a bunch of self-styled neonazi local kids. I pulled th
gabriel_laddel: e plug on that thing three months later, at the end of which they.had.not done.anything. I'm not sure you exactly grok me, it's not that they hadn't round up the town's minorities and set them on fire. It's that they couldn't get together to make some stencils which someone (hopefully, someone else) was perhaps sometime (2015 ?) going to use for some purpose. Somewhere. Whatever."
nubbins`: gabriel_laddel did you see the picture of the kids he rounded up for the "political party"?
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: cazalla: I'm still not sure why you want quiet hobbit land fyi
cazalla: in the world where nothing changes, i don't grow old and die i guess
cazalla: the familiarity of my youth is long gone, this country is run amok full of chinks and muslims
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: do you mind if I ask what books you're reading your son btw?
nubbins`: "reading? my son? i ain't no wimminz"
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, beatrix potter, mr men, other assorted books we got as gifts
cazalla: nubbins`, i read to him every day and have done so pretty much since he was born (few days missed here and there)
cazalla: nubbins`, pfft, i do all the cooking and cleaning fwiw
cazalla: not simply because missus is useless for such tasks, but i enjoy cooking and the cleaning provides me with an illusion of control
nubbins`: recently been making lots of korean dishes that i haven't been able to eat since i left there in 2007
cazalla: anyway, it's difficult to raise a kid right these days
nubbins`: that and i'm not ready to press my generational reset button
cazalla: you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent
cazalla: me either nubbins` but "nature finds a way"
nubbins`: teach your kid chinese, no joke
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: their language doesn't map to computers all that well
cazalla: nubbins`, i teach him auslan
nubbins`: does it map to mouth sounds well? 8)
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: doesn't matter. Let's say that you are a super good people person but can't verify any of what your computer is doing in the future.
nubbins`: that's the situation i'm in right now
cazalla: by rights i should know another language but zomg the shame of speaking german
cazalla: fucking idiot father didn't bother
jurov: einpfropfen verboten!
cazalla: and fucking idiot father's father couldn't speak a word of english yet 2 generations after can't speak a word of german
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the english (or korean!) language maps to computers becuase the characters compose. you'll only have to learn how to talk to a computer instead of a whole new system of language + computers.
cazalla: doesn't matter anyway, my father is/was weak, feminine, useless
nubbins`: gabriel_laddel while you *can* type chinese using simplified chars, i wasn't implying that he learn chinese for computer use
cazalla: but what else do you get from the youngest in the family
gabriel_laddel: my point is that chinese as is must go away if they want to work with computers
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: the chinese I know who learn "english for programming" have all sorts of massive misconceptions about computers, language, mathematics etc.
nubbins`: they have misconceptions about mathematics, and it's because their mother tongue is chinese?
nubbins`: also korean alphabet +1 top kek
nubbins`: learned it on the descent into seoul
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the language doesn't help. For example, a chinese mathematics undergrad from Peking U. I know thought that using a computer algebra system to do mathematics was "cheating". Person in question had no notion of "playing with mathematics". This is more of a cultural thing, but much of human thought is captured in language.
☟︎ cazalla: so what is the opinion of the erudites here regaring what polgar did with his daughters? that has sorta been my goal with my son, find one thing for him and push him hard in that direction
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: By relieving the brain of all unnecessary work, a good notation sets it free to concentrate on more advanced problems, and in effect increases the mental power of the race. -- A.N. Whitehead
gabriel_laddel: See also China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: see also John von Neumann and Norbert Wiener: From Mathematics to the Technologies of Life and Death
cazalla: will take a look tmw when of sober mind
nubbins`: cazalla sounds like a great idea unless your kid turns out to be not particularly cut out for that particular thing
cazalla: nubbins`, well if he's not, he can do what i do, but only one way to find out
gabriel_laddel I'll note that I hate the perspective of the author in that book but liked the information he had to present.
nubbins`: so what's the one thing you're gonna push him towards
cazalla: nubbins`, no idea yet, he likes to mash on the electric keyboard i have here but then what kid wouldn't?
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gabriel_laddel: the machines in the shop roar so wildly / that i often forget in the roar that I am ; / i am lost in the terrible tumult, / my ego disappears, i am a machine. / i work, and work and word without end; / i am busy, and busy and busy all the time. / for what? and for whom? I know not, I ask not! / how should a machine ever come to think?
cazalla: end up fighting over it while i attempt to play california games while he does his own thing :)
nubbins`: but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of divison have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light on the floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies.
nubbins`: rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. /// flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now.
nubbins`: ^ from a book we published in 2013 ;0
nubbins`: tl;dr schizophrenia isn't as romantic as you think
☟︎ nubbins`: in fact, "fun" in eastern canada
cazalla: i bet the scam poetry.com ran back in the late 90s, early 2000's would work far better today amongst the narcissistic facebook generation of today
gabriel_laddel: "Only a man from Budapest can enter a revolving door behind you and exit ahead of you" -- jvn
nubbins`: i've thought about release above-quoted tome as an ebook, but it's such a pain
nubbins`: at least one person would have to find and purchase it for that to happen :P
nubbins`: hm, i have some posters from the release here somewhere
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: is the guy an actual lunatic or just a deviant his "family & friends" decided to reformat (in your estimation).
nubbins`: close friend of mine. has been in the bughouse at least a half dozen times
nubbins`: but y'know. sensible, intelligent guy, great writer
nubbins`: generally writes about his own life experiences, occasionally embellished
nubbins`: that book in particular is confusing, depressing, and ultimately without resolution or catharsis
nubbins`: which actually precisely parallels living with schizophrenia
nubbins`: it's a lesson disguised as a novel 8)
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jurov: "We are at a tipping point right now. It's making a lot more sense for some type of digital cash in the system, that not only saves our government money, but also is a lot more convenient and secure for individuals to use," the source said.
jurov: they failed to make _anything_ secure. butbut "blockchain technology!!!1"
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When they people forked out OpenBSD, seems they kept the wrong people
ben_vulpes: cazalla, gabriel_laddel: it's totarry the jooz.
ben_vulpes: <gabriel_laddel> [13:15] the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. << and furthermore, the #b-a creed
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> [13:29] you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent << jesus shit if you go *with* the status quo you're a bad parent
ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies."
☟︎ danielpbarron: nearly cured of wanting anything whatsoever to do with netbsd << what does this mean for pogo?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:43:22; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.'
ben_vulpes: i had my first relational algebra dream two nights ago
trinque: ben_vulpes: did the perfect schema float down from the heavens?
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'm no mircea_popescu, i have to tweak and derp and derp and tweak
ben_vulpes: until the jews start crawling out of my skin
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mod6: ;;later tell jurov The mailing list is still snarffing messages. The dns fix didn't seem to help.
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nubbins`: even using the sd card for os isn't an unbearable extra burden
vhost-: >+ben_vulpes | i had my first relational algebra dream two nights ago
danielpbarron: even using the sd card for os << not necessary; the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain
danielpbarron: when that static build of bitcoind is ready, i'll try to compile it for pogo and see if it runs on debian
danielpbarron: at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap
nubbins`: gabriel_laddel:Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? <<< ...
☟︎ nubbins`: cazalla:worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot <<< ...
danielpbarron: i am chatting from debian-on-a-pogo -- it's very nice, and if anyone wants such a machine I highly recommend it
☟︎ danielpbarron: the blue model is perfect for this purpose, just add SD card of any size
davout: danielpbarron: "at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap" <<< i was under the impression it was coming to debian too
davout: yea, what i understood too, coming nonetheless
nubbins`: danielpbarron mine's serving files
danielpbarron: You are blocked from following @0xabad1dea and viewing @0xabad1dea's Tweets. Learn more << the list grows :D
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danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.)
☟︎ ben_vulpes: this is the most unbelievably gorgeous spring i've ever seen here
ben_vulpes: but the planet's not choking under human smog or anything
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They use that for code/binaries, because GPG is GPL and in their distribution it is license unacceptable by their standards
danielpbarron: everything i learn about openbsd makes me like it more than before
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The signify thing depends on libsodium for however good it is along with probably other things
kakobrekla: <danielpbarron> (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. < im sure you are familiar with 'pgpi scanning project'
danielpbarron: i am trying to come up with solutions that I myself might be capable of achieving; I'm not aware of anyone else who is working on this thing
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's the situation here, can't get an os for pogo ?
mircea_popescu: so the breakdown is that you know how and he doesn't an' you're not telling him ?
mircea_popescu: so then it's more like, "can't get an os for pogo, we like to believe it can be done nevertheless" ?
davout: asciilifeform: what was that?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if that's where it's at, danielpbarron has a point. gotta get it running, somehow.
danielpbarron: technically i have two of them "running" -- albeit with very nasty "through the mud" shortcuts
mircea_popescu: well, not regardless of what animal, but unless someone shoots a unicorn it will not be unicorn meat.
mircea_popescu: (mystically breaks, sent for repairs, returns fixed, breaks again, etc)
mircea_popescu: out of the millions of redditards generously employed to do tech support, millions are in "tech support stories" talking about how idiot customers are
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ham radio folks use older gear maybe ?
mircea_popescu: there's a definite age gap. kids born pre 1990 are more different from kids born after than slave owners from slaves in the deep south cca 1790
mircea_popescu: well, one way to find out, of course, would be to get some new laptops/handhelds and measure their resistors.
mircea_popescu: can be done easy enough and undestructively, just turn the machine off and pop its cover
mircea_popescu: yes hon, but you didn't get 207.5 parts for a 210 part
mircea_popescu: is there some way to connect a resistor in an unpowered, unshorted circuit so that i can't measure it without unmounting it ?
mircea_popescu takes advantage of b-a to refresh his electronics knowledge :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, isn't that HOW you measure resistence in the first place ?
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mircea_popescu: hahaha it was just pointed out to me that if you google for pretty much anything to do with btc b-a is probably in the results, and if you click over to images there's definitely some b-a ladies in there.
mircea_popescu: it's like boring boring b-a boring b-a b-a boring etc.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda incredible to me that the entire intellectual production of the usg crowd is limited to merely rehashing points debunked within a week or two of the "controversy".
mircea_popescu: incidentally, "bbs where every user runs his own nntp server" is a) a better implementation of irc, which is a better implementation of bbs, which is dead tech and b) exactly where gossipd is going.
mircea_popescu: this is obviously a plain requisite for any government-proof system of anything.
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1GNwO6k )
thestringpuller: from:
http://blog.cryptoconsortium.org/contributing-to-the-ccss/ "There are many ways in which you can help contribute to the CryptoCurrency Security Standard. While security experts have an obvious avenue for contributing, the standard also needs help from graphic designers, language translators, and proofreaders too, just to name a few." this is what permissionless innovation looks like in da infancy
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this isn't "permissionless innovation", this is "standardization without permission".
mircea_popescu: when they're done doing that they can probably get back to riding their wooden horses or w/e nine year olds do when not monkeying the adults.
thestringpuller: "The CCSS is an open standard, born out of the belief that security should not be the defining feature of your service." << Why?!?!?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re "standardization without permission" << it looks like bastardization. who the fuck says, "Security should not be the defining feature of a service". Does this roughly translate to: "CSS everywhere."
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: no broken kneecaps yet? gotta bring them to an "understanding"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they tested random units came out the right value ?
kakobrekla: whats the problem, the inconsistency of resistors ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla apparently his thing got 400 instead of 200 ohm resistors, but funnily they carried the 200 markings
mircea_popescu: weird. "for your convenience, we have packed five half-resistence resistors separately, to bring the average to a 5% tolerance as you required"
mircea_popescu: there's like 1k 470 ohm bits exactly, and then 10 items at 230, which make it be +-5% over the batch
mircea_popescu: they still do this ? i thought it was mostly a great leap forward into a brick wall phenoimenon
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thestringpuller: cuz there literally is no examples of how to implement the standard for binary
davout: so you can make your own example
davout: make form, use requestbin as action, *poof*
thestringpuller: looks like I need to set headers to base64 and i should be good
davout: "aux bons ouvriers les bons outils"
thestringpuller: I was trying to get wireshark to work, but it wants x11 and doesn't seem to work with quartz without poking at it.
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mod6: jurov: are you here?
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:33:18; cazalla: b) some random cunt is talking about launching an altcoin whereby he "destroys an oz of gold on webcam" as proof of burn for creation of his altcoin
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:34:36; cazalla: worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot
cazalla: i guess he forked #b-a or osmething
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin protocol, when implemented correctly, has a degree of sybil resistance when it comes to partitioning and double-spend risk as an attacker must get _all_ your connections for those attacks, but this kind of activity can really violate user privacy since privacy attacks don't need to get all your connections; especially for SPV nodes which liberally broadcast their wallet addresses to nodes that they're usin
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's just his username i am referring to
cazalla: but still, that'd be like me coming here under the name whaleclub
mircea_popescu: cazalla well whatever, he prolly got the username way back.
davout: mircea_popescu: "how the fuck does one destroy gold ?" <<< aqua regia down the toilet
mircea_popescu: davout except now you'll have to add a proof of toilet.
mircea_popescu: just nothing the power rangers ever felt like discussing, prior.
davout: mircea_popescu: you actually need proof it was gold in the first place anyway
mircea_popescu: "Chainalysis achieves this by doing sophisticated in-depth real-time transaction analysis to determine unique entities within the blockchain. Michael Grønager Chief Executive Officer Jan Møller Chief Technology Officer Jens Hilligsøe DevOps Engineer Kresten Krab Throup Consulting Architect Jørn Larsen Business Advisor"
davout: they think they're better than everyone with their fancy "o"s
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:49:43; cazalla: you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus and the kid push you out of the masterbedroom due to lack of sleep and then push you out the kids room which was turned into makeshift computer room but needs it back because apparently a pig pen isn't big enough for him now, you might appreciate the man cave aka cold ass garage
mircea_popescu: what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, cmon, i was drunk and rambling, lets please ignore all that shit from last night lol
mircea_popescu: but obviously this doesn't automatically apply to everyone's living arrangements
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok good deal! i'm about to post the lastest version of the perl build script too -- which should pull v0.0.2 of the static-makefile patch.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:53:40; cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:56:57; cazalla: the big mistake i made was getting a woman pregnant prior to living with her.. things were all fine and dandy while i had my own place and could fuck her and send her home after the fact
cazalla: mircea_popescu, they don't sell them locally, i am hopeful i can buy a plug it in and away it goes pogo from here once that is sorted
davout: asciilifeform: that's kind of the point of a day job
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:59:12; gabriel_laddel: Note that I dont necessarily endorse MP's viewpoint but it is rather well developed.
mircea_popescu: cazalla if you ask danielpbarron nicely he might ship you one.
mircea_popescu: some profile pics, let it go. not everyone's as socially awkward / sexually repressed as you, to use their feet in etsy shoes / anon ducklings as an avatar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if tomorrow they swtiched to company scrip, you'd work for that.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:06:41; gabriel_laddel: Everywhere.
saifedean: hey mp, to get back to your question about lebanon, here's what's interesting about it, beyond the hard money and best food in the world and great wine and beautiful people... less than an hour drive between beautiful sandy Mediterranean beaches and gorgeous ski resorts... it's the Alps on the Riviera
saifedean: this weekend, for instance, people have to decide whether they want to ski, swim, or do both... i tell you lebanon is stressful
mircea_popescu: t know, as aptly butch has observed : their names don't mean anything.
mircea_popescu: however, enrico was italian. any idea what caruso means ?
mircea_popescu: carusu is the sicilian word for boy. it derives off latin carens (missing) as in, inexperienced.
mircea_popescu: the word is infamous because it denotes the boys working the sulphur mines pre ww1
mircea_popescu: now THAT is a story of "sixteen tons and what do you get". you get to be four foot tall and with adaptive modifications of the spine.
mircea_popescu: and re latest trilema article : someone check the html of a page, whadda ya think ?
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:08:35; gabriel_laddel: What I find so lulzy about the whole situation is that if you take the supposed Zionist lit and the /pol/ people 100% seriously it basically reduces to "jews think that others are cattle"
mircea_popescu: what really burns them is the football team issue. they don't wish to not be cattle per se. they're just pissed that they were "come to expect" that THEY were the chosen people on account of, why the fuck not eh. and whenever it doesn't work as they "came to expect", it is clearly the case that really it works, but for someone else, so... whoddunit ?!?! (not them!)
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:08:37; cazalla: anyway, one might argue, and i did try, that /pol/ is a short stop otw to #b-a
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:09:09; cazalla: and i promoted it to /pol/ but i was shut down and accused of being jidf so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either reddit or 4chan or some other social media thing, politicas.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:10:52; cazalla: still, i can't help but feel affection for a homogeneous society like japan.. fucking mudslimes and other ethnics have destroyed australia within a generation
cazalla: c'mon i was rambling after a bottle of wine, i don't want to be reminded of last night!
trinque: ahaha, logs, the curse of the evening drinker
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:15:53; gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK.
davout: cazalla: nobody'll judge you for being a racist alcoholic
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:16:03; nubbins`: and we all know that a society of hedonists is a good society indeed
cazalla: davout, hah i know that, but anything i say here while drunk is really just recurring garbage from the last time i was drinking and chatting
mircea_popescu: davout i don't think he's even racist per se, not enough development of some sort of pseudogeneticist crackpottery. he's just angry in a diffuse sense.
davout: you're such an html rebel
mircea_popescu: lol "bitcoin university". best thing that ever happened to any diploma mill : when the webmaster stumbled on tardstalk/redditards den and added "bitcoin" to the name
NewLiberty: asciilifeform: Whaleclub is a bunch of non-whales trying to be mini whales by 24hour chatting their trades.
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty you know i'm half tempted to send some girls to talk at them in that breathy voice .
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:17:31; gabriel_laddel: or VDARE.
NewLiberty: The misinformation from d.a.r.e. probably led to more usage overall
trinque: NewLiberty: great way to make sure kids are aware that there are drugs
NewLiberty: yes, though they tended to call everything "narcotics"
davout: inadvertenly teaching them how to tell good from bad product apart
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:18:07; nubbins`: because it lets you ignore yourself as the cause of all your problems?
mircea_popescu: obviously a solution that encourages them to do shit on their own is even better, but generally "solutioners" are do-ocracists in the modlbug sense : they're chiefly tryting to build themselves a "4chan is not your army" army.
mircea_popescu: or i guess that harry potter fanfic writer guy w/e his name was is a better example of the principle, alf dictis.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:21:17; nubbins`: gabriel_laddel did you see the picture of the kids he rounded up for the "political party"?
mircea_popescu: they had selected themselves over many years of revolutionary struggle.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:28:08; nubbins`: BUT THAT'S WOMEN'S WORK CAZALLA
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:32:53; jurov: teach him latin :D
mircea_popescu: works better if you know latin in the first place, and i don't really know that many english speakers that do.
trinque: mircea_popescu: same shit in the US among the liber/paultards
trinque: doing is now making noise and nothing ever actually comes of any political gorup
trinque: when I was about 17-21 I was deep in paultardation
mircea_popescu: well, it was instructive for me, and considering how little shit costs these days, i call it cheap enough.
trinque: only things that ever happened were talks, conferences, bullshit sign holding, etc
NewLiberty: What the whaleclub do not realize is that whales are not daytraders, not even mini-whales.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:33:13; gabriel_laddel: you're fucked.
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty you know that ballas bit on the daytrader ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: hm that is precisely the American idea of "made it"
trinque: it's not working for a decade and building an empire; no no, it's "got it all, like it was nothing"
trinque: 21 year old CEO, company valuation of 30 bil
trinque: heh we're fucking children
mircea_popescu: the italian (which is, by the way, the paradigm of the failed state, and whose history the us is quite bound to repeat) term is sprezzatura
mircea_popescu: known since before isabella expelled the jews from spain in 1492, causing them to invent america.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:35:44; gabriel_laddel: my point is that chinese as is must go away if they want to work with computers
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051816 << while much of human thought is in fact captured in language (and i'm too lazy to hunt for the "language is really a shared preprocessor to crutch the supid" threads), nevertheless that is strictly bad schooling. it has nothing to do with the kid, or his language, it'll wash out of him within a coupla years.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:12; gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the language doesn't help. For example, a chinese mathematics undergrad from Peking U. I know thought that using a computer algebra system to do mathematics was "cheating". Person in question had no notion of "playing with mathematics". This is more of a cultural thing, but much of human thought is captured in language.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:35; cazalla: so what is the opinion of the erudites here regaring what polgar did with his daughters? that has sorta been my goal with my son, find one thing for him and push him hard in that direction
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:51:02; nubbins`: tl;dr schizophrenia isn't as romantic as you think
cazalla: mircea_popescu, by observing what he gravitates towards and encouraging it
mircea_popescu: this is substantially different from the original quote tho.
cazalla: or at least providing an opportunity for him to intereact with things that my own parents couldn't afford or bother with in regards to me
mircea_popescu: more important to humiliate them, in the limited sense of "here's what i am, and what i do, which you are not and do not because you currently suck. here's how you de-suck"
cazalla: yeah well, i was drunk so :)
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 14:26:18; jurov: they failed to make _anything_ secure. butbut "blockchain technology!!!1"
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assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 16:27:54; ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies."
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danielpbarron: You are blocked from following @Radomysisky and viewing @Radomysisky's Tweets. Learn more << lolol 2 in one day
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 17:04:39; danielpbarron: i am chatting from debian-on-a-pogo -- it's very nice, and if anyone wants such a machine I highly recommend it
danielpbarron: i duplicated the results on the cheaper model as well
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 17:39:08; danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.)
danielpbarron: yeah and it's also against the law for me to take my OpenBSD cd set out of the country; the crypto is too strong or something
danielpbarron: and come to think of it, bingo's laptop might also now be illegal to export
davout: danielpbarron: the ban on crypto export is still a thing?
danielpbarron: i don't see how it could possibly be enforced in a meaningful way, except to hassle people who are on the badlist
davout: i thought is was dropped altogether a while ago
danielpbarron: oh idk, i copy pasted that from an OpenBSD README file
davout: wikipedia sez most regulations were dropped, but not all
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BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> and come to think of it, bingo's laptop might also now be illegal to export << So long as Open Source perfectly reasonable to export.
BingoBoingo: In my limited understanding of these matters.
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davout: asciilifeform: wasn't that the exact same for floppies?
BingoBoingo: davout: Floppies though are purely passive. You need to bring a drive to the disk. SD incorporates the drive.
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