trinque: the level of control there is remarkable
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trinque: over the surgical implements
trinque: what's the interface for the surgeon look like
mod6: ok all, I'm gonna rebuild this thing with uclibc, I'll have an update for ya in a few hours :]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: check out the start of the video, he is sitting in the station
Adlai: mircea_popescu: ablative agent, although i forgot the preposition
mircea_popescu: "There is a pattern here: it seems that whenever Americans arm, train and equip an army, that army stands a really big chance of simply melting away, with the weapons falling into the hands of those who want to use them against American interests."
mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 15:09:44; lobbes: idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse
mircea_popescu: obviously baltimore riots were a plan hatched and executed by the baltimore drug lords, but it *may* be also part of a larger frontline, a probing operation as it's called.
mircea_popescu: if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 16:40:25; lobbes: Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other
Adlai: what's revolution if not career criminals fighting eachother?
williamdunne: if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government. <<< glad to see standards are staying high
mircea_popescu: well, who you gonna bet on, in the quadriplegic box match ? the blind or the stupid ?
Adlai: wheelchairs make a lot of noise, i'll put a satoshi on blind
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pete_dushenski: speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter"
trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: ya, there's no wheelchairs in wwe wrestling, just barbed wire, cages, lead pipes.
trinque: wouldn't they love having some kind of ISIS lite domestically
trinque: the american "powerful" must lack imagination
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows. << NBP is truly a tiny thing like FEMEN
mircea_popescu: what are you more likely to run into, a girl that doesnt want to fuck because of what she's heard the catholic church say, or a girl that wants to go topless because of what she's heard of femen ?
BingoBoingo: Ah. I was going more for the actual size of the cohesive group rather than its influence sphere.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter" << I though about funding one. Ended up doing a smaller bet on PacMan.
mircea_popescu: the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it.
mircea_popescu: the "social studies" grant eaters are larger than the texas oil industry.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the hidden message with the beta of spades?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Manny, the dude who fought money on May 2nd
ben_vulpes: like - "quite clearly not a queen, nor even a gurl ergo beta"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ah, comprendo. not up on my boxing nicknames, it seems.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. << But consider what USG spends on keeping NBP alive to only have Maybe 200 new Black Panthers vs. what Femen spends on Maybe 200 topless agitators.
mircea_popescu: this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm hoping for a rematch before they turn 50. Manny's got the aggression and Mayweather's age showed more.
mircea_popescu: something must be very wrong with boxing if 50 yo ex champs can still walk around unaided.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi. << My point is you could put most of USia's urban welfare expenditure on making potential Black Panther not starve.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Both were nearly 40, either would have been outclassed by the featherweights on the undercard.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno dood. by this reasoning you could put the chinese state budget on "making obama get nobel prize"
pete_dushenski: i'd rather watch some younger, sportier boxers. for as much as i care to watch boxing.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> [22:58] cazalla lamassus are worth a grand. << based on?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: THe first undercard fight was great. Second was set up.
mircea_popescu: i used to watch some boxing many years ago because i was friends with some promoters etc. never got into it.
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something.
BingoBoingo: I'd like to be able to consider starting a pro-boxing career at 40
williamdunne: mircea_popescu does money count? Pretty sure there is a bonus for winning
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes i think 'skyhook' is the cheapest, then lamassu, then the dirty, dirty robocoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nasdaq thing is just, they want to use a centralize custom scamcoin to somehow track pre-ipo trades. not really clear what this actually is, tbh, and i somehow doubt it's more than the intersection between inept bitcoin piarism and vague plans for vapornothing.
BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA << I prefer watching boxing for the constraints ove the combatants.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the skyhook guys actually operate out of a warehouse across town from me
pete_dushenski: actually, come to think of it, mebbe i'm confusing brands. might've been 'skyhook' that was $1k and lamassu really was $4-5k.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i guess. don't you think it kinda detracts from the whole thing ? like, "here, monkeys, a silver coin. FIGHT!"
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: See I like MMA for that lack of constraints. Maybe I'm just a joe-sixpack-adrenaline junky
ben_vulpes: i regard the whole project as touching both terminals at the same time and avoid doing so at all costs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something. << This is a serious problem with MMA. It seems a majority of the competitors are just downright friendly outside the ring.
ben_vulpes: anyways, tango now, documentation with mod6 later.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: What that lack of constraint gets you though is a rapid turnover at the top. There's so much asymmetry that no one can aspire to prolongued greatness.
williamdunne: I'm not aiming for the greatness, I just want to see two people beat the crap out of each other. Its a bloodsport really I suppose. Turnover is entertaining.
trinque: ^ I think MMA fans would watch an actual coloseum fight just as readily.
mircea_popescu: i don't think mma guys if given the option of gladitorial arms would actually take any.
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trinque: the fighters probably not, due to the whole death thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances. << Which is why I'm thinking that 11-ish years from now on my 40th Birthday it might be realistic that I could become a ProBoxer
mircea_popescu: i guess if you force them, by allowing armor. buyt then again, gladiatorial combat didn't allow much armor.
trinque: my observation is that MMA is as close to that as you can get
mircea_popescu: trinque my point is that actual roman weaponry would not present an improvement.
williamdunne: Pretty much, optional and without death. Same sort of blood sport though
trinque: ah I just meant the prospect that the opponent could be killed
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BingoBoingo: trinque: Plenty of unarmored, unsanctioned, stick fights
mircea_popescu: gladiator battles didnt' have THAT many casualties, you know.
mircea_popescu: a gladiator was more expensive a piece of fixed capital than a whore.
williamdunne: What about the slaves they battled? I'd be lying if I said I had much knowledge outside of primary education and 'Gladiator'
mircea_popescu: that's how that thing went, sporting promoters of the 100s went around, buying young strong slaves,
mircea_popescu: then presented them (or sold them on to senatos and other dude farmers)
williamdunne: Sorry I meant the slaves as if in thrown in the pit rather than trained like you would a prize horse
mircea_popescu: even the xtians were thrown to the lions, not to the gladiators.
williamdunne: Sort of like the difference between a pet and next seasons dinner - even if both are property
trinque: interesting, I was misinformed on how lethal gladiator fights were
mircea_popescu: it really wasn't much higher risk than being in the army, which was you know, a good chunk of the population, especially poorer.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 18:19:52; jurov: neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there
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williamdunne: Not particularly, I know fatality rates would be vastly different dependent on region though. Obviously being a city-guard in Rome is a pretty safe job but being the the border of the empire or in active battle/expansion seems like a good way to get killed
mircea_popescu: well ok, but in terms of standards : as a young man with no property, your options were essentially to go into military service, which offered pay and, upon serving 18ish to 20something years, a large settlement payment and provincial land.
mircea_popescu: this allowed you to take a young woman and start a household in relative security. the exact american dream.
mircea_popescu: the alternatives to this are unclear. if very clever you could have traded, but various ethic groups had a defacto monopoly on that, and a very large cultural advantage.
williamdunne: Yes, I'm familiar with the land-ownership. Truly brilliant option IMO. As you say, American dream.
mircea_popescu: otherwise... maybe become a client for some important patron, and done what the us sub-political class does today. in the day's huffington post and astroturfed meetings and whatnot. a very precarious existence, certainly the slavegirls had it better.
williamdunne: Pretty sure the main alternative was trading or poverty
mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty much. so... it couldn't conceivably been a bad standard for them, inasmuch as it was... the standard.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact this is unchanged millenia later - very few kids end up here, a few more are in the military, and the rest on reddit.
trinque: so I made an openbsd home router, and as far as I can tell it's actually doing its job
trinque: appropriately blocked ports via pf, routing the internal network nicely
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trinque: williamdunne: I'll see about it; wasn't that hard
trinque: I'd have to put up some kind of blog thing
trinque: I tend to want to have a pretty thorough understanding of a thing before I try to teach anyone else, too
trinque: seems there are a hundred-million other knobs on pf I didn't use
mod6: Update: gathering performance metrics on v0.5.3.1-RELEASE full blockchain sync
trinque: I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature
trinque: would've made more sense if it were a sort of function composition thing, where you're producing a function that'll process every packet
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature << Actually the problem is they've been supplanting inherited grammar inherited from ipfw they imitated to start with towards more of a sensible firewall language
BingoBoingo: trinque: The worst of the pfconf stuff is inherited
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BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Any chance of a writeup on it? << A distinct feature of OpenBSD is that outside of the man pages much of the best documentation is still produced on dead trees
BingoBoingo: Well, not a feature of OpenBSD, but their culture
decimation: asciilifeform: that little fanless 486 would make an ideal serial terminal
trinque: decimation: yeah, an older p4 box
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williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: williamdunne: WHat I mean by dead tree is. People in their WoT write comprehensive books and they all check and then promote the books
williamdunne: decimation: Depends on if a big hill gets me enough BSD points
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ?
trinque: there are loads of other examples out there; my configuration isn't too interesting yet
pete_dushenski: i'm currently working on installing openbsd on an edgerouter and will publish my own guide once completed.
trinque: probably next step for me is to stick privoxy in the middle of the
http traffic
decimation: williamdunne: do you live in devonshire?
decimation: I would like to see the chalk cliffs one day
trinque: alright, maybe I'll do some writing this weekend
williamdunne: decimation: Not my sorta thing personally. I'm still pissed off about the cliff collapsing and fucking up the trains for a couple of months
williamdunne: I'm not from here by birth, nor are my parents. But yeah, some nutjobs in Cornwall want to be an independent country. Ignoring the fact that they actually qualify for a european regional development fund
decimation: williamdunne < about as crazy as the scots
williamdunne: Bit of Irish, bit of Cornwall, even more home counties
decimation: last time I was in london I found it depressing
decimation: awash in indians & pakistanis - doesn't feel english at all
pete_dushenski: "North Korea's Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol has been executed, South Korea's spy agency has told parliament, according to media reports. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that MPs were told Mr Hyon had been killed on 30 April by anti-aircraft fire in front of an audience. He is believed to have been accused of showing disloyalty to North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? << Would require consulting with the other equity partners on deciding if we will do how-to's or how to do them
williamdunne: decimation: Kinda like it personally. Never bothered me, although I've not been there for an extended period
trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
☟︎☟︎ decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore
☟︎ pete_dushenski: decimation you thought london was depressing ? cripes. never ever ever go to nyc.
williamdunne: decimation: Wasn't suggesting you were - I'm just not too bothered by the Englishness thing personally. If thats your boat the South West is probably as good as it gets
decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah that was even more depressing
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Also on par with financial stuff
pete_dushenski: and as far as former commercial centres go, london is about as good as it gets imo.
decimation: pete_dushenski: walking the streets of nyc, all I could think was: "how the hell do all these people afford to live her"
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> london is the light of heaven compared to nyc << And the jungles of Granite City put both of those so called cities to shame
decimation: pete_dushenski: london does have better museums than nyc in my opinion
BingoBoingo: trinque: I find that book for my network appliances what M. W. Lucas's BSD books are to my laptop
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:03:27; mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ?
williamdunne: Isn't being in the US a dis-qualifier from the get go?
BingoBoingo: Scotland and Occupied Ireland may have plusses over the US, but England not so.
pete_dushenski: decimation the food in london, at least on a middling budget, was lackluster. or perhaps the museums and architecture just overshadowed the cuisine.
decimation: my impression was that the food was expensive as hell
decimation: as a usian, I had to pretend that $1=1gbp or else I wouldn't eat anything
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:05:41; mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?
decimation: how much does a good steak cost in sydney? and a local beer?
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:17:42; mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents.
decimation: that's about average for a good steak in the us, but the beer is at least double
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
☟︎ pete_dushenski: asciilifeform re: housing. the cheap shit houses multimillionaires in cities too, well, 'suburbs'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up << In my hometown Beautiful brick house on well maintained lot going for 75 kiloUSD Vinyl equivalent 100 kiloUSD higher
decimation: pete_dushenski & asciilifeform : what about the koch brothers building their own western town in the middle of nowhere colorado
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures << Very common in "city proper"
pete_dushenski: houses, even $2 mn ones, have concrete foundation and wood beam construction in these parts.
BingoBoingo: There's reasons the lowest in St Louis burn buildings for their brick
cazalla: people here use to pay top dollar for the land but they have this scam of building 6 shoddy buildings where one use to stand so people are paying 500k pretty much for bricks
decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah, in the us more expensive homes are just bigger wooden boxes, built by central americans
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:23:27; gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that phi
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's hardly a common definition in north america. why ? sprawl. no geographic boundaries to contain construction from going horizontal rather than vertical.
BingoBoingo: Wood beams has always been the north American Standard. Wood's been so easy to get.
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you call mcmansions in greater montgomery county
pete_dushenski: decimation indeed. we're seeing increasing amounts of mexican and south us (black) labourers. rest are polacks and newfies (like nubbins`_
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:38:48; mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind.
decimation: pete_dushenski: amusingly it is my understanding that the central americans have nearly completely displaced certain construction trades, to the point that it is nearly impossible for a regular white (or black) person to work on a 'framing team'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's reasonable. it's also funny to note that while i live in the city proper, it's all of two square kilometers out of, what, 40 ? 80 ?
pete_dushenski: lolk so edmonton is listed on wikipedia as having 9,426.73 km2 metro area.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:09:37; mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:17:59; decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
decimation: asciilifeform: does the 486 'headless client' run dos?
pete_dushenski: decimation well, they gotta start south and work their way north, y'know ? i'm at 53* N latitude !
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:29:49; trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.
cazalla: another trick the use is to import shit from china via new zealand so as to label it packaged/made in new zealand instead of made in china
pete_dushenski: ftr 53.5* N latitude is the same as hamburg, dublin, and manchester
decimation: yeah, good point, plus if it's a dumb terminal it wouldn't add any value
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm scared to thing how much more that last property would sell for as a bare lot
pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip, 11, has become the youngest chess master in the US. " << man, those old usian men need to step it up !
pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip from Andover, Massachusetts earned the title last month and also became the youngest to ever to defeat a grandmaster, Alexander Ivanov, during the New England Open in 2014." << ok. she's good.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ivanov sounds like one of your (our?) people.
williamdunne: Sure there is plenty of stupidity that can be pointed out
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Its saying that they may need further licenses - slightly different, no?
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the osama death raid 'alternate history'?
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: "CoinBase earlier announced licensing to operate as an exchange in all 50 states, an assertion which was later found to be questionable."
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Sentence from ItBit article highlighting how this problem has happened before and will happen again.
BingoBoingo: None of ItBit, CoinBase, or Gerald "DeathandTaxes" will ever get licensure in all 50 US states because of Federalism yet they will all pretend to have reached it.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:00:08; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, OpenBSD has "signify" uses NACL based thing
BingoBoingo: Well, the libsodium thing. Yes distasteful. Used though only for signing and verifying. Pretty sure we had a short convo about how similar "reop" sucked. Far from ideal, then again ideal needs new silicon.
BingoBoingo: People who have been fumbling in their own WoT simply trying to come up with a useful code signing tool. Ideal, no. Useful, maybe. MP continues his Bob Beck fatwa? Well, MP never really ends those in practice.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bob Beck the OpenBSd fundraiser. Sginify though was different person, tedu
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD though is at its weirdest reading Loper-OS and it is recognized as C coders trying to make the safest Unix they can
BingoBoingo in practice views signify as the equivalent of iso images with md5 fingerprint offered in 2004. Some asurance contents as packged, but not any guarentee
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BingoBoingo: williamdunne: So the Van Cleef name in your linked article was also the same person at the CFTC meeting on Virtual currencies and with lesser connection may have been:
mircea_popescu: shit, i go watch a couple bad marty feldman movies, the log runs off
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assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 01:59:16; williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
menahem: lol, I know you know your films. which ones did you watch ?
mircea_popescu: "slapstick of another kind" and "the last remake of beau geste"
menahem: and LOL at documenting yoself on some fine booty.
mircea_popescu: the first's only vaguely notable because it depicts a marginal us (in the 70s) running everything on chicken shit
mircea_popescu: president even quips that imagine, the most important man of the 2nd richest most powerful country being reduced to this! air force one powered on chicken droppings!
mircea_popescu: (the chickens are in the cockpit, occupying the entire left side)
mircea_popescu: the 2nd is pretty bad throughout, sort-of a lawrence of arabia made by first time drunk teenagers
menahem: ahh, getting drunk the first time as a teen. good memories.
mircea_popescu: usians don't even know what thery're missing, gettin gdrunk for the first time at 21 is not the same.
menahem: yea by 21 it's almost old. like a pair of worn in pants or something. still useful, but not new.
decimation: although note that usg is fine with 18 year-olds voting and dying in the military
mircea_popescu: dude pete_dushenski has his moments. whodda thunk he has such subtle points down pat as "the most important thing is to not overprice".
menahem: pete_dushenski is a pimp. love that guy.
mircea_popescu: you WILL actually make more money letting slightly under market than in ANY other way.
mircea_popescu: and exactly for the reason stated : if you're a slight prize, you get the best crop of tenants competing for you. if not... you're stuck rooting through the bottom of the barrel.
mircea_popescu: and gawd almighty is that barrel deep and has the cat pissed in it.
menahem: you have the link to that ?
assbot: Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1F65KMO )
menahem: ahh brand new, just missed it
decimation: "But the one thing it seems to me that economists wake up--if you wake them up in the middle of the night and say, 'Hey, what's the most important thing?' They will say, 'Marginal cost pricing.' That the way to make a market work properly is that everything should be offered for sale at its marginal cost, which is the cost of someone using it."
decimation: This was in the context of a conversation about art museums. apparently it is forbidden for any art museum to contemplate selling any of their art
mircea_popescu: as any purely fiat market, the art market exists strictly on the basis of such policies.
decimation: "'? Guest: Any museum--I'm paraphrasing--it basically says any museum that sells art for any purpose for any purpose other than to buy more art--so it's okay if you have three paintings by Painter A and none by Painter B and you like Painter B and you sell an A painting and buy a B painting. That's okay. But if you ever sell out of the collection for any purpose other than more collecting, then other museum directors are forbidden by
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody caters to anything but the govt where you live.
decimation: so apparently most of the monets in the us are sitting in a vault in chicago
decimation: becuase it would be unethical to sell one to a museum in grand rapids so they could display it
BingoBoingo: Speaking of markets and assets, does anyone want to buy assorted daisy and iris rhizomes for fall delivery?
mircea_popescu: decimation this is strictly better than selling them to that texan idiot that put his fist through em
decimation: apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin isp thread on trilema has turned into one of the flat out strangest things i've witnessed online lately.
decimation: "Everybody in Chicago has what is--three and a half million people in the metropolitan area and $35 billion, like three thousand dollar [?] endowment sitting in the basement of this museum."
BingoBoingo: <decimation> apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high << I price my iris and daisy rhizomes high because historical artifacts. FBI surrendered to BTC once in this yard
decimation: the net effect is that it makes rich people think they are big shots and strokes the egos of the academic idiots
mircea_popescu: questionb being "what town is being entered and which direction"
BingoBoingo of all things wants land in USia capable of growing serious onions, for the only reason that onion futures in USia are banned
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is it with the koreans and killing people with antiaircraft guns.
mod6: Alright I've got a Gentoo AMD64 uclibc hardened booted successfully. I basically just had a few minor tweaks to make to the notes; i.e., uclibc version doens't install grub by default, there is no /etc/locale.gen by default. That kinda thing.
mod6: I'm having a bit of ssh pubkey auth issues again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00025621 = 5.5469 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:09:20; decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore
mod6: anyone know if service starts up on its own in the uclibc version?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is this the effect of the rambo series ? << Yes
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
BingoBoingo: As far as lower Korea is concerned they beat the Chicoms by having anti aircraft guns entrenched mostest
mircea_popescu: im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the reason distinctness and stupidity are married is because social democracy sucks anyone with half a brain out of his native soil and places him in bureaucracy
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore <<Anti-personelle duty fron the aim impoverished.\
decimation: the wehrmacht made good use of their 88mm guns for a variety of purposes
mircea_popescu: it may also be that distinctness is a flavour of tradition, and no tradition survived ww2.
mod6: awe crap, might have missed `rc-update add local default`. aight one more try here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: incorrect. from these figures alone << then they're not terribly useful figures are they :D
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra. << Sure. Maybe it is a congitive bias of myself, but I assume persona; wordfests would always get the best Tips and Tricks (TM firstest)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105827 @ 0.00025841 = 27.3468 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the sluts in question <<< doesn't change the fact that the sentiment was genuine.
mircea_popescu: im pretty certain more russians identify with a femen-centered-reality than with a stalin centered one.
mod6: * rc-update: local already installed in runlevel `default'; skipping << hmm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224100 @ 0.00025153 = 56.3679 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137512 @ 0.00026012 = 35.7696 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: have to pick it up tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ? << Nah, most "officers" same just Iraw army aged out
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:39:27; asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
mircea_popescu: guy, if he has any sense, will go "hey, you kill me - they kill you."
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:44:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he linked to articles mentioning a Vancleef who was the same Vancleef in the CFTC hearings
BingoBoingo: Still God only knows if that is the same Vancleef who noised up here back in the day
decimation: now those monets can't be kept in some basement somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 399900 @ 0.00025131 = 100.4989 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: one cop that could shoot accurately was infinitely more effective at 'stopping terrorists' than hundreds of thousands of security bureaucrats
mircea_popescu: decimation mostly quoted for the "A Romanian forensic expert at work in a laboratory at the National History Museum in Bucharest." running... windows.
decimation: heh, probably most such laboratories run windows
decimation: because that's what their fancy machines use
decimation: heh that's lulzy - it is the 'windows fax and media viewer'
mircea_popescu: with experts such as these, we hardly need brutish peasants anymore.
decimation: "Referring to the Dogarus, Mr. Oberlander-Tarnoveanu said, "It seems they were not very honest, because apparently a lot of members of the family had a long judicial history."
decimation: from the earlier podcast "Again, if you accept my proposition that the object of the museum enterprise is for people to be engaging with art rather than for museums to be possessing art, then I think all of these questions come to the surface, and that they are real possibilities once we understand how much enormous wealth has been accumulated and isn't being put to use."
decimation: note the difference between merely possessing and engaging - "Yeah I have a chunk of that roman temple, it's my birdbath"
mircea_popescu: it seems to me the height of stupidity. "people" have specifically no business "engaging" with art.
mircea_popescu: they've "engaged" with literature, and it was to everyone's detriment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.0002603 = 18.7676 BTC [+]
decimation: heh. well if you zoom out to the big picture - there is no 'optimal' distribution of art if you define 'optimal' as 'turns peasants into people'
decimation: the layers of pretense wrapped up in the 'art' market are amusing
mircea_popescu: there is this very ridiculous animism at work, whereby somehow "art" is objectively beautiful, and beauty is somehow objectively good, which makes it you know, turn lions to lambs.
decimation: rich folk pretend they have taste, 'art people' pretend they are somebodies, hedge fund managers pretend they are 'investing'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the purpose of art is much simpler : the mob is illiterate, and art is the single letter alphabet catering to all its needs : "THIS IS WHY YOU ARE SCUM". that's the only sentence that needs to be expressed.
decimation: cities pretend they have culture, schools pretend to education. all because some derp scribble some shit on a canvas
mircea_popescu: and that's why revolution -> looting versailles is such an automatism
mircea_popescu: and why the "golden toilets" propaganda bits of contemporaneity.
decimation: because when the san qulot saw the fancy paintings they knew in their hindbrain that they were inferior?
mircea_popescu: no, because they had spent their lives with the "you are inferior because versailles" mantra
mircea_popescu: so once they decided to no longewr be inferior they had to do SOMETHING about this
mircea_popescu: there really is no objective anything in aesthetics. what hindbrains.
mircea_popescu: is that up top a frigian gynecologist's cap with candles ?
decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "
☟︎ decimation: usians have mostly forgotten about it, even though it apparently is on the seal of the us senate
decimation: is argentina going to slide into socialist morass like brazil and mexico?
mircea_popescu: no. brazil and mexico are actually developped economies and so forth.
mircea_popescu: they used to export meat, but failed to meet the quotas, lost the contracts, are now exporting soy.
mircea_popescu: argentina is headed to go look for chad, not for brazil.
decimation: it's amusing that the supposed flower of germany's exiles haven't seem to have underped argentina
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167950 @ 0.00025116 = 42.1823 BTC [-]
copypaste: i own 8ch.net. i was here before, maybe when it was called 8chan.co, on a different nick.
decimation: I bet the majority of argintina's 'raw materials' exports are extracted by foreign corporations
copypaste: yes, that's the name people have given me ;)
mircea_popescu: copypaste you know it'd be a great idea to make and register a gpg identity, that way you won't have to lose your identity
cazalla: copypaste, i like ben garrison's drawing of you
cazalla: can you lick your elbow for us here btw?
copypaste: yes i was here to do that after reading some of your blogs. i really like the recent one about argentina
copypaste: you said that no one is anyone in bitcoin if they aren't in the WoT so I came around to attempt to become someone
cazalla: copypaste, you should BingoBoingo about all the hottie pinos you're banging
copypaste: OK. I did !register but !up tells me I have to have a certain rating to !up
copypaste: I don't see any other way to verify though
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.copypaste.1:6a39e2875f7495615b8265fa1f1f6054353e1a308551b3c4a80dae745ff74ed8
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Presumably, 8chan owner
copypaste: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.copypaste.1:a6902919995628c0c68869bfdf8c7522fa21bd81a50d0776b7f7799f4cc9b42e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Rolling fury
copypaste: 01:31:43 copypaste !register 6F12EC72A82ABCA35235063A10DDC983901AA183
mircea_popescu: [tonick] => copypaste [tokey] => 6f12ec72a82abca35235063a10ddc983901aa183
BingoBoingo still soliciting bids on decade old Iris rhizomes in purple, yellow and gold as well as white common daisy rhizomes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 440968 @ 0.00026023 = 114.7531 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: !rate copypaste 1 prolly JIDF but anyway
copypaste: I understand. I thought you were telling me how to verify, sorry.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: It is a cognitive hiccup we all hit nao
mircea_popescu: ok, so now : what would you want to push the "Welcome to 8chan," text to the right on 8chan, and sell me the center there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00026003 = 40.8507 BTC [-]
copypaste: forever, haha. what would the text be?
copypaste: Yeah. Most people just bookmark their favorite board or whatever.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that i'd just rotate banners, whatever they might be.
cazalla: !v assbot:cazalla.rate.copypaste.1:3cabd5a51fac525d743abba6bdd058dd0c0a75bdb94cde95251c51e58e81e598
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: prolly JIDF but anyway
mircea_popescu: cazalla incidentally, i was reading about some anti-racist association thingee. was good for a lol.
copypaste: Well, it is a real organization too.
copypaste: But it's not known if they actually post on 4/8chan.
cazalla: pretty sure they posted on 4chan but prob not near as much as claimed
mircea_popescu: o, wait, cause there's this jews imageboard meme, rite.
copypaste: Ahh. That's not an ad banner, it's a board banner.
copypaste: They're set by whoever creates the board.
copypaste: Ad banners are above the post form
copypaste: On 404 pages, and on catalog pages. Yeah.
mircea_popescu: ugly whiter Pirate Center Fast Torrent Downloads Download Movies Music Games & Software Free & FAST pirate.center" thing ?
cazalla: copypaste, so is it copypaste? i figured it was hotwheels for real
BingoBoingo thinking everyday a proboxing fight for my 40th birthday is more realistic
copypaste: cazalla: I am hotwheels for real, how would you like me to verify that?
cazalla: wasn't sure if you call yourself hotwheels or just others
mircea_popescu: copypaste ok, so how much do "anonymous-ads" pay you for that spot ?
copypaste: It was abysmal before I contacted the owner. Then he paid me 0.01BTC for yesterday.
copypaste: Still pretty abysmal, but it was even worse before.
mircea_popescu: i''ll payt you 1 btc upfront for the first month and you give it to me, exclusive. no other ads on 8chan
cazalla: copypaste, ah ok got it, wasn't questioning if you are who you claim to be btw
copypaste: I'm not even getting paid for that Coinbase link ;) 4free
mircea_popescu: copypaste i write you a rotator script, you just pull that in ?
copypaste: mircea_popescu: Some boards don't have a-ads. The agreement with the hosting company is that for some boards, they put their own ads, but I don't know how much those make. In turn they don't send me a bill.
copypaste: I can put it on all the a-ads boards, but if I made it exclusive for you for the whole site, I'd need to find a new host.
BingoBoingo: I guess BTC-ISP will have to fish a new client...
copypaste: $config['banned_ad_boards'] = array('b','furry','cuteboys','hebe','erp','loli','hentaikey4','younglove','r9k','ssft','deutsch','bbw','r','rule34','100l','hentaikey4','kong','lit','baphomet');
copypaste: No, he gets all of them except the listed ones.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Baphomet is the devil board that doxxed the evil Judge Forrest
mircea_popescu: so basically host gets all teh good ones is the idea ?
copypaste: !v assbot:copypaste.up:a83b0e7626cd435b725ff2f5cf9273e420a71a9f1d84305e3c58401f4b8c0acb
copypaste: /cuteboys/ is also in the top 25. Rank 10 I think.
copypaste: Basically he doesn't like porn boards.
copypaste: /b/ is the second most popular board on the site.
copypaste: Or, the derps (sorry to steal your word) in charge still have ignored me and haven't added SSL support
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Basically everyone here has weird browser settings and compile flags
copypaste: One of them has a 10TB RAID6 for all the media.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Discrete machines, VPS cores, or rack units
mircea_popescu: and so your host gets /pol/ but can't be arsed to put advertising on it fo real ?
copypaste: If you visit it on non-
https it will work. Like I said, they are hard to deal with. They told me "new ad code by the end of May".
copypaste: Also most of the ads are in Japanese.
copypaste: As I said, they're incompetent so it doesn't work over HTTPS.
copypaste: That's really what it comes down to.
copypaste: And they can't be assed to fix it until end of May, apparently.
copypaste: Oh yeah, that's a local ad for here.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're getting 7 servers including expensive raid arrangements for the ads you should prolly stick to that deal. i doubt the advertising value of what seems like 15 maybe 20k uniques past 72 hours could support that.
copypaste: Indeed. And if you want any of the a-ads boards I can do that too.
mircea_popescu: course, since they seem to just be burning the americas market... maybe ask them if they'd be willing to split it like that ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35243 @ 0.00025116 = 8.8516 BTC [-]
copypaste: I can do that. They told me that if people email me about ads on boards they have ads on (/pol/, /v/) I should accept it and tell them.
copypaste: I get email occasionally about putting ads on /v/.
copypaste: So in reality I'll pay them most of what you give me, but you still get your ad.
copypaste: And I can remove the Coinbase/localbitcoins thing as well
copypaste: Indeed. Since I'm the main email ( admin@8chan.co ) I get most ad inquiries anyway
mircea_popescu: alright, well, let's see this, gimme then the a-ads set + pol + v, and i
mircea_popescu: aite, effective in a coupla days once i get the rotator in place ?
copypaste: I can implement it as soon as you're ready by adding /pol/, /v/ and /i/ to the banned_boards thing and then changing the ad code.
copypaste: Addy is 1LMWkmYpPNXLr9SKHXtZvSrraEWTZtm5Wb
copypaste: Or 1PeYbcRaXTKGaCaRzRsPbfPXrQNc8Cfxkm . Doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: aite. ideally you add this chan to your idle list and so i can just ping you when it's ready.
copypaste: Will do. It'll be the 117th channel I'm idling in :)
mircea_popescu: cazalla hey, wanna make a list of trilema articles that fit with 8chan ? and qntra idem.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97140 @ 0.00025244 = 24.522 BTC [+]
cazalla: not sure qntra has any specific to pol, they'd need an interest in bitcoin to begin with.. as for trilema, i'll have a hunt
copypaste: I've gotten some of them interested.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198350 @ 0.00026123 = 51.815 BTC [+] {3}
copypaste: Due to derps 8chan can only accept Bitcoin donations reliably.
copypaste: I've had to school many people in how to buy Bitcoin due to this.
cazalla: copypaste, fucking flattr eh
copypaste: Gratipay, Patreon. PayPal but that's a give in.
copypaste: PayPal blocked me for "hate speech"
copypaste: Patreon blocked me for "illustrated child pornograhy"
copypaste: mircea_popescu: It's not what I say. These peopole hold me accountable for what anonymous users do.
copypaste: They hold us accountable for the posts on the site as if we mdae them.
copypaste: They didn't cite any specific posts, PayPal at least.
cazalla: copypaste, that's family guy porn is illegal here, same with A cup sized titties in porn because can be somehow associated with pre-pubescent girls
cazalla: oh and squirting too.. banned
copypaste: That's why there's no web services running out of Aus.
copypaste: No forums or user generated content sites.
copypaste: "While we understand your commitment to free speech, we will not allow 8chan to continue using Patreon, as several boards facilitate the distribution of harmful content and activity, such as illustrated child exploitation imagery."
cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
☟︎ copypaste: I guess videotaping the pissing is illegal.
copypaste: You can still piss, just don't let a camera see.
cazalla: pissing and fucking at the same time on video or providing it for others to watch is illegal
mircea_popescu: like you know, take a girl out, fuck her, the piss on the cam.
copypaste: Or if you have sex in a public bathroom
copypaste: Call the cops on the operator of the camera.
cazalla: they'll arrest you for pissing in public
cazalla: we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers << Not a thing here yet
copypaste: Thanks mircea_popescu. Ping me with the ad code when it's ready
copypaste: lmao. That board literally has a map
copypaste: Where they put markers of themselves and ask to get fucked.
mircea_popescu: ahaha yeah. copypaste any womenz on 8chan as far as you know ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203100 @ 0.00025365 = 51.5163 BTC [-] {5}
copypaste: They also sometimes post on /b/ for attention.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, how many article you want, tbh a lot of your content would be appealing to some of /pol/
copypaste: You laugh but we've gotten like 30 BTC from donations. Enough to buy a pass to trade on mpex.co! ;)
BingoBoingo: Well, as long as he can step away from the webs for a while
copypaste: Since unlike 4chan users create the boards
mircea_popescu: "If you donated to the Infinity Dev. Group over Flattr, it seems that they have turned into a scam and you should charge these conmen back immediately by contacting your financial institution. (I realize this includes my support key. I don't give a shit, flood their insecure bullshit report ticket in my name. I see no other way to prove it.) Reports are that they lost their PayPal account recently, and Flattr CEO and o
mircea_popescu: nly employee @bonq is ignoring all communication from me via their ticket system and Twitter. The icing on the cake is that they blocked me and three others for asking where the fuck 46.74 EUR went."
copypaste: Shitty Swedish corporation. They take 10% anyway.
copypaste: Service is abysmal. They're probably going under soon.
cazalla: similar shit to dwolla i think
copypaste: After Gratipay fucked with me I put them out of business, or close to it.
copypaste: I don't care enough to do the same to Flattr though.
copypaste: You can read my Twitter TL for how. One call to FinCEN and the CEO went full GLBSE
copypaste: "oh no, i need to do AML! the state is coming!"
copypaste: he then locked evreyone's balances
copypaste: And is only withdrawing if you prove your ID to him.
copypaste: I know. I've read a lot of your blog the past week. I wasn't around for that but that chat log, man. I could feel it.
BingoBoingo: Fucking Labcoin might have been close to peak lulz.
copypaste: "You have a welfare check" as proof of ID.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, Tyrone takes it and cashes it at the Persian liquor store
mircea_popescu recalls how happy egyptians were to drink his shitty scotch
cazalla: ah shit look at that, trilema has an article on drugstore cowboy
cazalla: fucking engrish.. can always tell i've had a day or 2 of heavy drinking when i type like that
cazalla: but anything on topic of feminism, socialism, money, jews, hitler, conservative values (vamp and marriage one would be a bit of an eye opener for some of em) would do well with the pol crowd
cazalla: actually was vamp and gays, right? marriage was another article from memory to show it's a bit of bullshit this conservative idea and all
copypaste: r/buttcoin will probably flip. I've noticed that the same trolls on r/GamerGhazi are on r/buttcoin.
BingoBoingo: copypaste: SJW/Socialist crossover is always real
mircea_popescu: except buttcoin is like the only readable reddit thing.
BingoBoingo: Thing is around these here parts we prefer /r/rbuttcoin to /r/bitcoin by miles
mircea_popescu: yeah. sukas just make better idiocy than random twerps.
BingoBoingo: Last spring I survived a testicular torsion with both testicles intact. It was far less painful than any consecutive set of reading by ANdreas Herpaderpalous
mircea_popescu: (a suka, of course, is one of the criminals that took stalin's deal and went into the army)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00024818 = 19.085 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i hadn't seen anything from him in a while, assumed i musta killed him or something.
mircea_popescu: mebbe intel just didn't figure he matters enough to mention anymoar.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He runs a startup nao called "Third Key Solutions" that serves other startups who wish to take on all the counterparty risk
mircea_popescu: what happeend to his hot o'reilly deal to become the blockchain technology's steve jobbs ?
BingoBoingo: I mean he signed with O'Reilly, not the huns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00025576 = 20.3201 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: copypaste, play agar.io much?
cazalla: yeah same, i pitched it to these goys here but no interest
copypaste: i like you cazalla. I'm amazed anyone here ven knew who I was
copypaste: I just wanted to be someone in Bitcoin and took Mircea's advice :p
BingoBoingo: copypaste: I had no idea you were you until dat key
cazalla: you're like the new moot, the luke skywalker of chans who hopefully won't join the dark side like darth moot and get cucked same time
copypaste: moot is a pussy. can't believe he quit
cazalla: of course you do but i spent most of my time on 4chan prior to finding this place so ya know
BingoBoingo: copypaste: You know... in your next Conde Naste interview you have to mention this place as the center of Bitcoin and blacklist them when they leave that part out.
copypaste: BingoBoingo: I'll do my best. Journalists are notorious for ignoring half of what I say.
copypaste: I gave Ars very strict rules for interviewing me.
copypaste: Gawker also contacted me. I sent them the same rules and never heard back. lmao
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Thing is as you build power your rules will only get stricter
mircea_popescu: i don't believe in talking privately to people i don't personally know.
BingoBoingo: Anyways 11 year plan is going well, arranged a sparring partner for tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: "To our son, his excellency, Mr Barack Hussein Obama. I have said to you before, that even if Libya and the United States of America enter into a war, god forbid, you will always remain a son. Your picture will not be changed."
cazalla: i use to box ya know, and kick box
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, Iron pole in the backyard that at one point in history held the clothesline
cazalla: copypaste, this voz clan teaming up bullshit has me raging against agario tbh
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 11 year plan. 29 now figure 40 I'll be ready to risk death in a ring
BingoBoingo: Gotta preak the metacarpals a bit to get them to heal stronger. Pole seems like an ideal target. As long as I don't break any bones all the way.
copypaste: cazalla: yeah HKG is bullshit too.
copypaste: It sucks even more that we have terrible lag to all the good servers.
copypaste: The new teams mode makes it sort of bearable amusingly. Because you can't pick your team, Voz has no power.
copypaste: The Asia servers still suck ass though.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, 12 months and you're set
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I drink and smoke. A decade sounds reasonable.
cazalla: copypaste, oceanic servers are generally ok from australia, i'd say lag is around 100-150ms
cazalla: and the new team mode is useless as people don't want to team up to face other teams, they're all asian and want to gang up on 1 person
cazalla: BingoBoingo, as much as i hate ciggs, the drinking is prob worse
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cazalla: i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice
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cazalla: copypaste, will your condition affect your longevity?
copypaste: unknown. some say yes, some say no.
copypaste: i know of a lot of old people with the same condition from a Faecesbook group
cazalla: do ya have any general pain or just when you break something?
copypaste: i actually originally got into bitcoin when i heard you could buy pain pills with it. never got any pills, only ended up with lousy Bitcoins ;)
cazalla: tbh i only lurk 8ch besides the occasional shit post so if you've answered AMA type shit before, i'll go have a google
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cazalla: copypaste, hope that wasn't you i just ate in agario :P 8ch
assbot: /operate/ - ด็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็๠... (
http://bit.ly/1bODDHi )
fluffypony: [09:31:28] <+cazalla>i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice <- like Miami?
copypaste: I have 600XMR. Only altcoin I've ever bought
copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
☟︎ fluffypony: not sure it'll ever be much in the way of buy-and-hold-investment-worthy, but it's fun nonetheless
copypaste: i wonder if anyone would even buy a PoS cryptonote coin
fluffypony: the dude from BBR was trying to make one
copypaste: PoS looks too much like "piece of shit" for my tastes
fluffypony: plus it's fundamentally broken, no matter how they try manage the initial distribution
copypaste: Wealth always goes to the top in any system
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cazalla: copypaste, have you written about moving and living in the phillipines?
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assbot: Million Dollar Bitcoin Domain Name BTC.com Launches Bitcoin And Digital Currency Industry Portal - Bitcoinist.net ... (
http://bit.ly/1IxCZN8 )
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assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 08:56:30; copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc, "flopyy" ness is an arbitrary bit. you can set bios to think usb as floppies if you wish.
copypaste: they can't even use their CMS properly.
copypaste: I'm supposed to trust these twerps with anything?
copypaste: You get this greaet domain, btc.com
copypaste: And then you put your about page as "about-"
mircea_popescu: lol so garza bought btc.com and is now leasing it to random derps ? mkay.
copypaste: This is basically a domain squatter landing page except with a little more effort
copypaste: He puts "What is bitcion?" and "What is blockchain?" separately, as if they're different
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: you'd think some people would learn their lesson having dealth with garza in the past but no << understand the rotinculo syndrome. they DO understand, but what exact alternatives they got ? it's either this or go home. they dun wanna go home, apparently there's a famine in hungary.
mircea_popescu: "virtualization seems to have a lot of security benefits." aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is, theo gets it, but is so well fettered with "well meaning" yet "unrelated" idiots he can barely move.
mircea_popescu: keeping the ants at bay is any serious beetle's full time job.
mircea_popescu: by far the most notable point of utility of the wot to brilliant individuals is exactly this : breaks the traditional methods of anthill building.
mircea_popescu: but you will notice much greater men succumbed to this. it's really how empires end.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a good rule of thumb is, when the anon derps start talking about "security benefits", you know what it is.
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mircea_popescu: individual ants act in a blind fashion, but the ant layer acts systematically.
mircea_popescu: there's no requisite for a dram cell to know what it is holding in order for it to be holding it.
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mircea_popescu: "Anonymous (not verified) OpenBSD still exists? Too bad. The world would be better without security fanboys in general. There is more to the world than security."
mircea_popescu: "In my opinion, the main reason why Windows is still faster on the desktop is that most of their current GUI framework was built back in the days of Windows 95, and the framework is so fragile that it has stopped them from adding too many new features to bloat it further. Back in 1995, Microsoft was way more performance-conscious than the open source world in 2007, simply because the hardware was orders of magnitude sl
Naphex: For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.
Naphex: sorry, forgot the quotes
Naphex: floppy drives no longer usefull? turn em into backdoors
mircea_popescu: it's very sound, strategically. "who would bother to check"
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prince_nbingo: Dear Sir, can you please tell me where to acquire the bitcoin asses? I have a business proposal for you. I will present you as the beneficiary, and i will prepare all the legal documents and present to the bank on your behalf and the bank will then release and transfer the funds to your designated account. Please to be telling about where are the bitcoin asses, I need bitcoin asses.
danielpbarron: prince_nbingo, someone with your ip has joined #bitcoin and #bitcoin-dev with the nicknames Skaag and chax. Is that you?
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious to see what ru/cn feminism wil llook like once that happens.
mircea_popescu: if/when they get rich and successful, they'll have stupid kids.
Flerb_: Are most stock exchanges using bitcoin regulated properly?
mircea_popescu: those stupid kids will rehash the same old stupid, in their own terms, of course.
mircea_popescu: the aspies do it, of course, but they don't matter from what i've seen.
mircea_popescu: aspie [ short for aspirational ] would roughly be what they called "burgeois intellectuals" a century ago.
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Flerb_: Whatever happened to ASICminer, they were around when I last looked at bitcoin stuff.
mircea_popescu: the only ru kids i know that actually go for the entire western fucktardation are kids who got overeducated by mistake, but definitely have no chance in hell of ever sitting at the table.
mircea_popescu: so it's kind-of natural and meaningless that they'd go for it.
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't know that many ru kids, and so... might just be my narrow viewpoint
mircea_popescu: they mostly go to fuck the stupid anglo bitches, from what i can tell.
mircea_popescu: except russia doesn't want imf credit, for one ; and the gentleman can have a lot of sons.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams".
mircea_popescu: no, not exactly. when the exploratory boom was at its peak.
mircea_popescu: the way people explored new bushes 50k years ago was sent children to eat them, see if they die.
mircea_popescu: the way people explore new bushes today is, send kids over, see what happens.
mircea_popescu: ah, the great days from before osama had sunk the us. back when ibm was actually making business machines.
mircea_popescu recalls the 31/32 bit thing could actually address an infinity of memory, in 2gb slicesa
mircea_popescu: "Like so many, I planned to do many things with this. But I never had the time. Now I don't have the ideas, either."
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trinque: I was wondering if I'd run across yet another thing that'd been done far earlier than I thought.
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trinque: asciilifeform: what do you think of a future cardano having two USB storage devices instead of one?
trinque: I was thinking you could connect two systems this way and still consider them gapped
trinque: gpg encrypted file goes into one of the storage devices, gets decrypted and written to the other device
trinque: because then I could control something connected to a computer remotely, and be sure that the machine controlling it was only accepting data from me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That indigo is a good looking machine
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams". << i've always planned to hire tutors.
trinque: probably can't do that with your remote controlled blimp's controls
trinque: secure messaging solves the thing
trinque: reduces to a gossipd device maybe
trinque: the aspect of the membrane being implemented in hardware is appealing
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thestringpuller: in this room full of nerds, interesting comics are rarely discussed
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 06:18:53; cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
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mircea_popescu: tbh, most of the "squirting" porn is actually urination.
mircea_popescu: not that women can't do it, but it's an intensive thing and the atmosphere on a porn set is not exactly conducive.
mircea_popescu: lol jgarzik has a point. the difference between krugman and kaminska is slight at best. i'm not even sure what exactly it would be, specifically.
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lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
☟︎ lobbes: whatever happened to 'life isn't fair'?
chetty: fair is the one word I might agree should be banned
trinque: the practical meaning these days is "we're going to beat more handouts out of the wealthy"
trinque: no need to ban the word though; bitcoin will reduce it to ridicule
trinque: "fair" may be one of the most narcissistic concepts in American "thinking"
trinque: that no matter the game, there is always an authority with the power to render it fair
trinque: whether this is life and death or the cost of your tank of gas
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trinque: it's easy to see that a culture which even considers "fair" a thing runs the risk of totalitarianism
trinque: "Both services often find it useful to engage in public feuds ‘to cover their asses’, as the retired official put it, but they continually share intelligence used for drone attacks, and co-operate on covert operations."
assbot: Britain is too tolerant and should interfere more in people's lives, says David Cameron - UK Politics - UK - The Independent ... (
http://bit.ly/1PH5OFv )
jurov: “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',”
trinque: The package of powers, first proposed in March, would allow courts to force a person to send their tweets and Facebook posts to the police for approval.
trinque: jurov: I'm going with laugh
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trinque: they're children; even their totalitarian day-dreams amount to "uh uh you can't tweet mean things about us!"
trinque: "The president called Saudi Arabia a critical partner in the fight against Islamic State militants." << yes, I suppose making sure ISIS exists is critical to the fight against ISIS.
trinque: t4nk: you're polluting the channel with joins and quits; kindly cut it out.
Naphex: trinque: man you deserve op status, maybe you can kick one or two :))
Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
☟︎ trinque: eh I don't know about "deserve"
trinque: could probably be solved with some assbottery
kakobrekla doesn't actually see parts and joins though
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jurov: imo this is UI issue, irc clients should be able to maybe fold/unfold this, or filter repeated lines
jurov: kicking people should be absolutely last resort
jurov: poor Vexual now sitting every day outside before the gate, if someone drops a word or a bone
assbot: vexual is not registered in WoT.
jurov: but he's permabanned, too?
jurov: he can be !upped normally?
jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56323 @ 0.00025449 = 14.3336 BTC [-]
assbot: White House appoints NSA-criticizing computer scientist Ed Felten to key post | VentureBeat | Security | by Dylan Tweney ... (
http://bit.ly/1IBWNNP )
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trinque: that's forward thinking of the white house!
trinque: later they'll say they "embraced the debate" by hiring him
trinque: (tightly enough to choke it out)
jurov: well, it's more common than you think. had i myself not been here, i'd be easily swayed for an "opportunity to change things"
jurov: they would have hard time to rationalize the money if it was not connected to some do-gooding, moving and shaking
jurov: ah, i forget in murica it's impossible to have own roof in few years
trinque: lol, the houses around here are half a million or more
trinque: at least for strong definitions of "own roof"
trinque: so being a part of the NSA botnet goes from top secret to productized
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danielpbarron: i posted a comment to that freedom to tinker thing a couple days ago; it didn't get approved
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:47:09; asciilifeform: it'll work, too
trinque: asciilifeform: I'd expect some broken off appendage of the NSA to accumulate a sizable stash of coin even if the rest of the USG falls apart
pete_dushenski: because a few 'early adopters' will jump on board, burn their houses down, and the thing'll fizzle out
pete_dushenski: having 10 appliances running full-steam 24-7 will cost $1000/mo in electricity
trinque: so you just end up with a cryptoturd chip built into the intel processors, and you can't get other processors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00026976 = 11.8425 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: i doubt even 25% of mining profits will cover the electricity costs.
trinque: what consumer asks whats in his wifi router?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: burn down from having flammables near cable boxes, toasters, etc ?
trinque: and if you really need to ram it through, attach it to some "cybersecurity" bill
trinque: state-sanctioned crypto chip that happens to be able to mine
pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "but if we have ENOUGH slingshots and they're government mandated"
trinque: eh I don't know about that
trinque: I'd like to think it, of course.
pete_dushenski: ok, so mebbe it doesn't burn houses down, and mebbe everyone has a half dozen of these chips wedged into their various appliances...
jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
☟︎ trinque: one must beware declaring victory early
jurov: "content protection" (from customer, i guess)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mattering to hashrate, mattering to bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, but this is hardly the way to go about it. even if it's all they've got left.
pete_dushenski: trinque: bitcoin declares victory until proven otherwise ;)
pete_dushenski: it's equally likely that 'conventional miners' will begin to curry favour with local governments
trinque: pete_dushenski: the declaration of a thing is not what makes it so
pete_dushenski: actually, sane local govs are undoubtedly already currying favour with miners
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:58:30; jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
pete_dushenski: trinque: depends entirely who it is making the declarative statements.
cazalla: jurov, because we don't tolerate drunken behaviour around these parts!
jurov: what if it do tolerate?
jurov: *what if I do tolerate?
cazalla: now as much as i love the ol' Vexual, i admit he does like to chat a lot and often makes no sense but by banning him, we now get to enjoy it on a more personal level via pm :P
trinque: pete_dushenski: "bitcoin is bitcoin" has no tactical content
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the stupid ones. the govs intent on slitting their own throats, sure.
trinque: of course bitcoin is bitcoin
trinque: what's done with either, who owns it, is the meat
jurov: asciilifeform yes that's what i'm asking.
cazalla: channel ban list is there for all to see anyway so why ask me
pete_dushenski: let's say that these things are hashing at even 1 gh/s
pete_dushenski: and that they manage to deploy 10 mn units within 12 months from today.
pete_dushenski: ok, so half of all subscribers in first year, one box per. aggressive but let's try it out.
pete_dushenski: so by this time in 2016 the usg has 10 mn gh/s at its disposal.
gribble: Current Blocks: 356304 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48563574149.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.93138
trinque: they have that plus every computer they already had at their disposal
trinque: who will claim the NSA doesn't already have a metric shitload of potential hashing power to apply to this problem?
trinque: the consumer product could just be cover for it
trinque: well what I'm saying is they do both
pete_dushenski: best usb miner i recall was, what, 3 gh/s, maybe 5 gh/s
trinque: asciilifeform: sure "oh this is all from those newfangled crypto boxes"
pete_dushenski: so ok let's go with 20 gh/s per box, just for shits and giggles.
trinque: and they start using their SSL chewing boxes, or what have you
trinque: the idea that the whole USG is the decrepit post office is laughable
trinque: people would like it to be so
trinque: better if goliath has bad knees or whatever
trinque: as people would like their declarations alone to move reality
pete_dushenski: let's say hashrate increases 3-fold in next 12 months and we see that 200 mn gh/s is...
trinque: it's worth noting that anyone making declarations that come true is using his *power* to make them so
danielpbarron: can't it only end up benefitting bitcoin to have more hashing power? (regardless of who is adding it?)
trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
☟︎ pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: basis is 1/10 of increase of 2014. seems reasonable to me.
danielpbarron: USG would have to further inflate the dollar to do that
trinque: "victory is inevitable" is what you tell the soldiers, sure
pete_dushenski: in any event, if the usg ends up with 18% of hashrate, albeit briefly, and throwing the kitchen sink at the the thing in the process, it would be about time they did something so productive.
trinque: that is not how generals speak to each other
danielpbarron: i thought the point of that essay was that bitcoin is the grand exception -- the cake that can't be taken
danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
☟︎ pete_dushenski: each has 3 teeth, do they share them to make a bigger bite ?
jurov: asciilifeform: and where usg gets the extra terawatt?
jurov: (10mn appliances *100 watt)
jurov: but i keep hearing how the grid is in shabby condition
danielpbarron: the tv box miner must operate at a net loss (i get it the chump bears that cost, but eventually the wealth runs out ie: chump runs out of money)
pete_dushenski: all i know is that '21 inc' sure as fuck isn't disrupting my sleep ad libitum.
jurov: actually is the 100W heat needs to be A/C'd out, it may end up 300-400watt per one box!
danielpbarron: 51% attack is the most credible threat, and even then they can't FIATize bitcoin (they can't break the rules)
pete_dushenski: showing up to the train station when the steam engine is but a distant memory and the caboose is over the horizon, with no other train on the schedule, means you either start building your own train (blockchain teckmologee) or you stfu and go back to working the land.
danielpbarron: who would accept a transaction from USG ? and why should I feel sorry for them?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: who leads ? i dunno. doesn't israel have some chip fab facilities ? other than that, china.
trinque: I understand why people would want to think of the US as this fat, incapable beast that happened as some fluke
trinque: feels good, gives them what they deserve or whatever
jurov: asciilifeform: either your estimate expects 100W per household, or usd is not getting any significant poiece of cake
trinque: asciilifeform: this is practically the salvation myth
trinque: bitcoin's here so we can just wait on our salvation
trinque: I don't buy it for a second.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: my counter is that calc ^. so within 100 years, usg is as deadly as pirate or karpeles !
mircea_popescu: so this stunner chick is working in a clothes shop. one day a guy comes in, goes straight for her,
mircea_popescu: takes his cock out and asks "you got something to match this ?"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: another problem with the "oh noes usg" card is that, as you well know, it's not monolithic. the infighting over any coins it gets its hands on will be considerable. and divisive.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 19:16:48; lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:07:27; jurov: to cry, or to laugh?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: here's the test : within 12 months (or 12 years ?), the 'usg' will be unable to double-spend a bitcoin transaction.
jurov: asciilifeform: sry, my calculation is broken, it is 5W per 20 chips. but with the a/c and other overhead, can still be several times more
kakobrekla: there is always a chance for double spend, just a matter of how deep
jurov: i was asking about a grid, not about chumper
mircea_popescu: i can make a doublespend right now, what's to keep me ?!
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:25:33; Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
jurov: btw, large lcd eats easily more than classic crt
jurov: who buys same size???
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 20:54:52; kakobrekla: i don't see a reason why not.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok, then obtaining confirmations for said double-spend transaction ?
danielpbarron: i posted a link to chat through an "anonymous" twitter account named SWARMsecret
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00026986 = 31.3847 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:27:38; asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
mircea_popescu: does usg-effective mean "bitcoin needs a decision making process which a) doesn't include mp as we've been pretending was the case all along and b) overrepresents us, as we've idem" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137500 @ 0.00026896 = 36.982 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: let's pretend nothing exists because marginal observations by 60s feminists.
mircea_popescu: dja know what stalin's representative told the romanian peace delegation after the war ?
mircea_popescu: it's not like, oh, i need something from him. i don't. he needs shit from me, in the future, and he won't get it, and the reason is exactly right here.
mircea_popescu: well, the romanians needed a peace that didn't consist of rape.
cazalla: not when they're the ones sending them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently there's no russian note of this, at least on the web i see, but anyway : when patrascanu & co went to moscow to try and work out an armistice, molotov broke the drone with a very pointed "ce ati cautat la stalingrad ?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144150 @ 0.00027116 = 39.0877 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm i guess my hypothesis is that usg won't claim enough of remaining unmined btc to throw a wrench in the individual sovereignty of those in #b-a.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 296000 @ 0.00026808 = 79.3517 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aside the fact that deletant is pretty much a color revolutions expert in history rewriting, sure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61520 @ 0.0002676 = 16.4628 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "And for the love of technology, please set up a strong passcode." << what strong 4-digit passcode ?
danielpbarron: iPhone can be reprogramed to use a longer password
trinque: probably wherever it was auctioned
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what's your take on 21 and their race to toasterise mining ?
trinque: business insider is a shitty rag
trinque: as is the whole category of such "news" outlets
trinque: the marketing side bleeds into the content side if there ever was such a distinction in the first place
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124450 @ 0.00027157 = 33.7969 BTC [+]
cazalla: my missus is not too bad with that, has been doing lampworking for like a decade
cazalla: i'd rather move her kilns and tanks into the garage and turn that room into a computing space tbh though lol
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:27:50; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.
cazalla: nah as in beads, paperweights, blown etc
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
pete_dushenski: 21 will still plunk their chips in vcr's because of install costs for customer
BingoBoingo: With the power consumption of most cable boxes an extra 20-40 watts would probably go unnoticed by consumer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90250 @ 0.00027205 = 24.5525 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, bitches on facebook. Wonders what could have went wrong.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they didn't do their homework at all. they're a very easy target for the "eco" lobby, and will be murdered as they can't afford to pay those leeches.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, i'm not here to provide strategic consultancy for free to "the titans of sv". fuck them sideways, they can go hire harlan ellison to do that.
mircea_popescu: whatever, they want consultancy, they can court me like any other whore.
trinque: any consumer product derpage would just be cover for turning on whatever computing power the NSA has at its disposal