mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so is the "fake kidnapped kid" story the result of "boy telling school what happened"
mircea_popescu: or is it the result of phone interception -> police telling school to ask kid -> kid not denying convincingly
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: my 0.7.2 node took 2 or 3 weeks to full sync << no he's right, it's what it used to be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happens if you short the antenna of a wifi device ?
mircea_popescu: if it has any magic packet business, it'll come wiereless.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform not thrilled with the wireless thing, but it seems to be inescapable in small embedded crapatrons << There's probably a role somewhere for a kind of node with it. Plugged in at "Free Wifi" coffee shop or library. connects to open network, changes MAC address when booted from network. Has script to handled shrink wrap license pages when encountered.
mircea_popescu: writing a proper wifi thing for the new world is not on this year's plate.
mircea_popescu: exactly that. a pointed disdain of any rule and regulation not gpg signed as so much crud.
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the_scourge: asciilifeform: that vocore was just crowdfunded recently. i think they fullfilled initial orders sometime in the past year. i didn't know they were mips!!
the_scourge: uh that's a wireless chip? i thought we're talking about cpu. i.e. mips
the_scourge: >wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study < as long as cryptography is secure, then it's not urgent. but very interesting
the_scourge: asciilifeform++ thanks, very interesting bit of kit
the_scourge: um if we had no way to secure comms on the wild internet, where layers 1-4 can be listened to by demotists (i wouldn't mind if it was a monarch),
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mircea_popescu: i wonder if one could kickstart an experimental vehicle for space vacuum filtration to extract gold and other rare metals.
the_scourge: thats and acceptable threat model considering there are HUMANS involved that can fuck up and give away the keys to te kingdom
mircea_popescu: just talk around the math involved, hire the people out of work once gavin gets forgotten about.
the_scourge has been desperately trying to avoid learning scheme/Qi for years, fearing never being able to hold a 'productive' contract again
the_scourge: the team working for me has maybe a dozen and then a massive team in manila that another contractor manages. it's ... depressing
the_scourge: asciilifeform: you know that mark tarver guy you linked to, are you familiar with his Qi and Chen languages?
the_scourge: if Qi is anything like nix, i would love it forever
the_scourge: anywhere i can go to get some honest opinions on his work then?
the_scourge: did you do a writeup? i've grepped for such to no avail :(
the_scourge wonders if a 'pattern matching' language could even be a functional language
the_scourge learned nix over christmas and thought about learning haskell
the_scourge: i'll have to look at the haskell implementation
the_scourge: although a few things came up when i started looking into it that turned me off haskell
the_scourge: is perl a pretty good example of what you mean?
danielpbarron: yeh i'd like to use something other than arch but that's what i've figured out for now
danielpbarron: yeah the instructions at this point are only for advanced users :/
the_scourge: danielpbarron: nixos has a pretty good balance of minimal and predictable (even for noobs), have you considered that?
danielpbarron: i get the feeling they intentionally leave things out of their guides to force the user to figure it out
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane. << quite
mircea_popescu: in any case purge that systemd atrocity , as a matter of principle if not necessarily practicality.
danielpbarron: i've noticed that it needs constant supervision, yes
the_scourge: asciilifeform: if you're implying it's not lightweight, only systemd and the kernel are installed off the bat. and some guys have done work on a systemdless setup
mircea_popescu: how is poettering to sell a shitty re-implementation of yarvin's pile of crap ? PROCLAIM LOUDLY THAT IT BOOTS FASTLY.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that a) not really and b) a machine's not really supposed to boot anyway
danielpbarron: i don't care how fast it boot since it shouldn't have to do that more than once (depending on the stability of your electric)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was the curtis yarvin brand of systemd called ? i forget ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indulge me : tries to take over everything ? check. crashes all the time ? check. two matches, good enough.
mircea_popescu: this is even skipping the "ambitious nobody proponent with a history of failure up to that point"
mircea_popescu: i would imagine alsa is uncontroversially a massive failure on poettering's scoreboard.
mircea_popescu: stuff that almost works for its lifetime is worse than no stuff.
mircea_popescu: "Even in 2014, you cannot use PulseAudio for competetive gaming on Linux. Not that it matters anyway. Even Valve abandoned Linux."
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is a major point. the death of the linux is not exactly unrelated toi the major disappointment of the money makers.
mircea_popescu: people tried to get games going on the platform, 2007-8ish to about 2012. it failed.
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mircea_popescu: also not entirely unconnected with open source peace and love nitwits who far from knowing which necks to squeeze,
mircea_popescu: don't even realise squeezing necks is what gets things done.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, it seems the alsa | pulseaudio difference was in fact bitterly preserved. one of those underground wars people like me tend to embarass themselves by not noticing.
kakobrekla: prolly nobody cares but i just checked for fun whats the pogo cost in europe; its 55 dorra.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah they run out of stock, not looking like they want to replenish it either.
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mircea_popescu: dude i really like this qntra thing. about 1/3 of what i hated about the obsolete press were mistakes. being able to go hey x, Y! makes me all fucking warm and fuzzy inside.
kakobrekla: well personalized news is personalized, doh
BingoBoingo just pines for the day breech will be the correct version more often on qntra.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what inspired taking the piece this direction
BingoBoingo: On day the phenomenon is in the logs getting discussed, the next it's the angle used to disect a fraud in the news.
the_scourge: asciilifeform: where would you recommend someone starting with lispy languages?
the_scourge: first is to be able to continue (at least for a while) doing my consulting without shooting myself from boredome
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo fixed 2 spelling mistakes last paragraph
the_scourge: that mark tarver article really resonated with me. that pretty much described me to a T.. and still does. it's actually why i ended up doing non-STEM degrees: there is no lack of boredom when you're lost in a library
the_scourge: second, i'm REALLY REALLY interested in lisp machines
the_scourge: so, something minimal i guess? scheme is used for embedded stuff i've seen. guile is interesting just 'cause the gnu nix clone uses it
the_scourge: personally i'm interested in one that hasn't been made yet
mircea_popescu: ... you want to code for a machine that doesn't exist ?!
the_scourge: asciilifeform: thanks. historically all i know about is really the AI lab stuff. i went through a phase where i read the jargon book and some more 'original' sources about the AI labs. but this was almost 20 years ago
the_scourge: asciilifeform: Architecture of Symbolic Computers < this is the one?
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the_scourge: same thing here. i love playing the piano as loud as possible :D
the_scourge: other than 2 houses across the road, there are no neighbors for over 6 miles in all directions
the_scourge is thinking perhaps he could slowly transition his consulting to clojure development and keep his existing clients
trinque: asciilifeform: too much "magic under hood" as you said?
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trinque: "I find Clojure revolting.
trinque: what I end up using has a lot to do with "what can I fart a website out in"
trinque: I've considered trying just sbcl on one side and parenscript on the other
trinque: but yeah, sausage... turd...
trinque: just depends on how one earns daily bread
the_scourge: asciilifeform: did you ever use a genera machine?
trinque: what I'd like is a situation where I'm writing the same language in both a browser and on the server
trinque: I've seen clojure/clojurescript, cl/parenscript, haskell/fey (and a few others)
trinque: sure, hail satan and pass the node
the_scourge goes to find out what is opengenera and where has it been hiding
trinque: my career started during web 2.0 :p
trinque: asciilifeform: does cl fall under $retardlang too?
trinque: ye gods, no firm ground to stand upon
trinque: doesn't the parenscript compiler eat cl and poop js?
trinque: asciilifeform: same situation as reaching out to Java in clojure then
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trinque has very little idea where to start in terms of choosing a sane programming environment with which to make bezzlars
the_scourge: just when i was starting to think esr and rms didn't have a point. maybe they did
the_scourge: actually i take it back, the problems here were probably not market-based, but more cultural (and lack of appropriate customers)
the_scourge: asciilifeform: i'm not saying it's exorbant - just expressing dissapointment
trinque grows to suspect that there is not a programming environment asciilifeform likes
trinque: little imperative scripty guy, nothing special
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trinque: I'd put more money on asciilifeform being an emacs guy, but not because he likes emacs
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trinque: I recently mapped my f keys to load projects in emacs and appropriate window layouts in stumpwm
the_scourge: asciilifeform: can i get a blow by blow on what historical event was this allegorical thermonuclear war?
trinque: the_scourge: he already blogged it all
the_scourge: "I estimate that 90-95% of the work in Plan 9 was directly or indirectly to honor externally imposed standards." < wow that is really sad... and ... is there a solution?
the_scourge: and that search needs a d at the end ^ (for anyone following along at home)
the_scourge: asciilifeform: i don't know what 'things' are, and i don't know what philosophy means
the_scourge: is gossipd this psycd-like symetrically encrypted UDP IM protocol?
the_scourge: intuition is destroyed. creativity ruined. because we're tyring so hard to not do what we are misconceited as what went wrong?
the_scourge: speaking of greenfield, what was the reason for greenfielding a re-implementation of psycd? (assuming gossipd has already been written)
the_scourge: well it depends on which implementation you're speaking of
the_scourge: there are a dozen i think. 2 of them named psycd
the_scourge: you sound confident. what if i told you there was a psyc daemon implemented in 15 lines of common lisp? :)
the_scourge: no, sorry i wasn't bullshitting. i'm just trying to point out implementation vs architecture
the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else.
http://www.xach.com/na < funny, that's one of the reason i've avoided
☟︎ the_scourge: i assumed it was poor design and useless academics who'd never had to do a hard day's work in their lives. perhaps it is a shit test?
trinque: evil mode + leader bindings
the_scourge: well i'm paying myself paternity leave coming up soon so i'll learn emacs. haven't had a chance for a bit of time in a while
trinque: space as leader has done wonders for my hands
trinque: <esc> <space> f -> C-x C-f
trinque: I also have esc as right alt
trinque: easily thumb-pressed on this keyboard
the_scourge: asciilifeform: i get remapping caps and ctrl, but it still means you're having to combine keystrokes which is always painful to watch
the_scourge: as opposed to combinations which are clearly natural. they are idiomatic so the brain groks them more, and the fingers do them easier
the_scourge: any time you are holding down one key and pressing another is painful. even the shift is an example of this
the_scourge: i've noticed you don't capitalize a lot of the time
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trinque: leader bindings are as fast as you type
trinque: and faster than chords because no stretch to the modifier
the_scourge: complete words = idioms. leaders. sequences.
the_scourge: well i've seen a lot of gnarled old hands. all of them told me it was chording that did it
the_scourge: yes, these were people who had always had it remapped
trinque: meh bindings are pretty personal
the_scourge: bindings are a really personal thing. i just hope that i can learn emacs and manage to use leaders for everything, that's all :)
trinque: nubbins' next book will be one of asciilifeform's koans
the_scourge: i need to head off... this weekend i'm going to look into the parallella. i'm curious if a symbolics machine could be implemented in it's FPGA
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trinque: asciilifeform: think he's reading logs and fishing?
mircea_popescu idly wonders what'd a world look like where gavinesque insanities actually made sense. "have everyone's coffee purchases validated by everyone and preserved forever".
mircea_popescu: yottabytes all over, but perhaps something like nock (in principle, not what was proposed) ?
trinque: I try to only ask a few stupid questions a day :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but imagine data storage literally was not an issue.
mircea_popescu: and global record of 1+1 was trivial. perhaps on a machine much akin to physical reality : the result of mixing milk and water is stored for everyone to see - they need but look
mircea_popescu: there's of course a finite number of photons that saw it, but w/e man.
mircea_popescu: interesting how qm actually clips the graph there huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically speaking, the milk and water mixing IS recorded in ever yinstance.
mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: as 1 goes up and 2 goes down there's at some critical point after which a man is taking his voice in his hands.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly. in this sense, the ultimate engine/life form would be one that lives somehow off the shaving.
trinque: mircea_popescu: hard to get taught anything if you're fighting the teacher
trinque: well, taught what you're after
trinque: if I ever make it out of the gravity well I'd love to get an actual education.
mircea_popescu: actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value.
trinque: my grandfather still gets hassled at the border for "american party" involvement back in the day
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "You can throw out the packaging and manual; we won't be needing those." << gotta love the justifiable pride the most serene republic's flag elates out of people.
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danielpbarron: i should add more stuff like that so it isn't all command line copy paste
danielpbarron: i followed the instructions on the archlinux page for pogo and it worked
danielpbarron: hm, mine was so easy to do i felt weird re-writing instructions for it
danielpbarron: i used brand new unused hard drives.. is it possible that has anything to do with it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: trinque: how do you propose to have the browser end run cl? << haha this i wanna see. clonqueror.
trinque: I-I just want to swim in a lake not filled with shit!
danielpbarron: the arch install occured on the pogo, if that's what you mean
trinque: but everything around me is a superfund site
danielpbarron: one of the steps in the arch install might have done something to the built in flash; i'm not sure to be honest
mircea_popescu: what is the arch install and how did it end up imported in here ?
danielpbarron: when i searched the log for pogo, i found that linked
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron for the sake of sanity, can you proceed closer to asciilifeform's original ?
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with shortcuts in principle, but this one hurts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had some toast earlier, the toaster:~$ said :L)
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mircea_popescu: "psycd is currently being refactored into a GNUnet service to run secushare on. The former psycd code is quite interesting, but currently unmaintained. "
mod6: i just passed block 168,001
mod6: am now on block 168,011
mod6: i just got a chance to work on it again here now.
mod6: root@debian-test:~# openssl version -a
mod6: OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014
☟︎ mod6: which was from the orig debian 6 iirc
mircea_popescu: sooooo... on account of bitcoind recompiled with new openssl, actual bitcoind compiled with actual openssl as of 2009 does not pass blocks in 2011
☟︎ mod6: it's old. this is what was included with ben's script to configure deb6.
mircea_popescu: whereas if you compile itwith more 2011 ish openssl itdoes ?
mircea_popescu: this is pretty massive if true. mod6 do you feel like testing for this insanity specifically ?
mod6: so far. it's really weird still though, because i wasn't having this problem before. and we've always been using an old ssl.
mircea_popescu: might be a bug specific to the 9.8o but then that doesn't explain how all the others worked
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am willing to bet there are over 1kbugs in this thing. all distinct.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you be specific rather than rhetoric ? i dun follow
mod6: so thats ^^^ my version of openssl on my aws instance, and i've sync'd successfully at lesat a dozen times in the last 4 months on there
mod6: and now wedges for some crazy reason. now I'm gonna upgrade to 1.0.1g there as well (just upgraded my deb6 on vbox vm to start with) and try to pass the wedge too.
mircea_popescu: course also what the wunderbar vc boys are trying to do with their NOVEL inmplemetnation
mircea_popescu: you recall, the one that's so well tested apud gmaxwel
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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> this is pretty massive if true. mod6 do you feel like testing for this insanity specifically ? << yes, im sure that i'll dig into this further
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mircea_popescu: is how that spammer guy killed qntra and then bitcoin-assets.
mircea_popescu: such is the fate of right wing movements tho, bereft of means and resources as they are.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> roll in the five or six pieces that are actually used. << I want to collect some more data on this issue. But I'm open to discussing this option going forward.
mircea_popescu: mod6 this issue is critical because it's easily the squishiest point of the whole protocol.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck we're importing from a different project - and THAT one in particular is anyone's guess
mircea_popescu: and a sad testament to what you get stuck with if , like satoshi, have to jackbuild a house
mircea_popescu: " My standard of comparison for any technology will always be everything previously achieved by mankind, rather than what is available on the market today."
mod6: asciilifeform: One school of thought is to take the wallet, and place it outside of the R.I. as a seperate entity.
mircea_popescu: "do not tell me of what seems acceptable as an idea to pudgy people driving on the interstate towards connecticut. i do not care."
mircea_popescu: mod6 does that idea go as far as making bitcoin a sort of xserver ?
mod6: something to that effect, perhaps. yes.
mod6: where you can connect to 'bitcoind' with a wallet of your choosing. if that's what you mean.
mircea_popescu: like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ?
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?
mod6: right, then there was that whole discussion.
mod6: So, yeah, there are a number of topics that we look forward to discussing with you about future of the R.I. We'll get there. :]
mod6 does a data round-up & updates openssl on AWS instance
danielpbarron: oh btw, the pogo running with swap space hasn't crashed yet, currently at 87k
mod6: <+asciilifeform> back to the boojum - do i misunderstand or did the thing unwedge when moved to 'modern' openssl ? << yup, that's what unwedged it. move from openssl v0.9.8o -> openssl 1.0.1g
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha.
mod6: yeah, some well thought out decisions to be made for sure. :)
mod6: im looking forward to that discussion, as well as the BDB removal discussion
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the "Have you ever actually used a speech recognition system to enter serious lengths of text? " line in your comments : i agree talking to a comp
mircea_popescu: so i agree that talking to computers is loathsome. however, i often use note takers when speaking rather than writing myslelf. the latter explains the former.
mircea_popescu: the great utility of the scribe / secretary, rather than the tits, is that natural languages have piles and layers of redundancy built in. a good note taker is a cheap way to gain 50 to 100% speed and a decent 10 to 25% quality for very little cost.
mircea_popescu: BUT if the computer you are talking to is equally redundant and badly built, you are either an idiot or very very unfortunate.
mircea_popescu: but the reason itdoes is specifically - that recipient is not computer.
mircea_popescu: also obligatory, wilde. "i will leave it to you to fix the ifs and thens and wherefores"
mircea_popescu: (to dampen that : fry likes wilde more because wilde was a fag than because wilde was good. which he wasn't THAT good. but nevertheless, THIS point is sound in this context)
mircea_popescu: which of course in a different time would beg the snide question if orwell were ever married.
mircea_popescu: (note that this does not mean the same as "was ever married" in the slightest, which is the point)
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mircea_popescu: lol this naggum thing. jesus christ he's impossible to talk to.
mircea_popescu: at which point does the use of "seperate" in the original text suggest to him that he's dealing with a simple man with simple problems and he'd better stick to simpler solutions ?
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of socialist minds in this world, the sort that expect all people to be equally stupid, and the sort that expect all people to be equally smart.
mircea_popescu: "according to a report in the Economist earlier this year, the cost of producing any piece of business communication dropped along with advances in computers from 1950 through 1980. from 1985 through 1995, it rose sharply enough to consume all earnings made since 1950. it is significantly more expensive to produce a business letter in 1997 than it was in 1950. despite many technological advances with a very high pri
mircea_popescu: ce tag, a secretary does not produce any more measurable output now than in 1950 -- in fact, the evidence suggests that obtaining _half_ the productivity of a 1950's secretary in 1997 is a major feat. the fact that managers write their own reports at down to 1/10th of the speed of a secretary that used to be paid 1/10th of their salary also means that the time spent producing a letter or a report can cost as much as 1
mircea_popescu: 00 times more than it did in 1950, when managers scribbled unreadable notes and very quick and efficient typists corrected their spelling, grammer, and language and adhered to "company style" effortlessly."
mircea_popescu: now that... that is EXACTLY what i had in mind earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform laugh if you will, but if pressed to come up with a definition of humanity, at least as an ideal object, the most sound i can think up is, "that collection of objects which construct relations which degrade gracefully"
mircea_popescu: so... sparrow cooked, sure. simple man should be safe.
mircea_popescu: not all of them actually end in a resonant chamber do they ?
mircea_popescu: "in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it." << and in this sense... their merging would be expected at about the time "most people" couldn't if press explain exactly what the ++ stand for.
mircea_popescu: i suppose "resonance chamber" isn't actually a good enough answer.
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mircea_popescu: "Engineering complexity is a form of environmental pollution; perhaps even the worst form of all, because it may yet turn out to be the case that it can kill whole civilizations, not just individual people."
mircea_popescu: " This of course adds the complexity to Clojure. The question is – does this acquired complexity worth it? I think it does. You gain a platform that is being poured thousands of man-hours every year into, you gain a GC that is being optimized for you, you gain the crossplatformity basically for free. You may call that opportunism but it works after all."
mircea_popescu: so if i fuck you, and you get pregnant, well... is it worth it ?
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that you know... you gotta spend nine months eating for free
mircea_popescu: 723 backers £12,927 pledged of £3,500 goal 0 seconds to go
mircea_popescu: could it be just 25k worth of fraud which really "isn't all that much" especially seeing how "everyone deserves a living wage" ?
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mircea_popescu: you ever walk behind couples wondering why she chose THAT loser ?
mircea_popescu: a) she didn't choose ; b) you don't actually see a "that" there.
assbot: Looking for investment in my new startup "Facade". The model is simple, I take your money, do what I want for a year then you write it off
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Guest70720: hi now i can spam you like crazy for 30mins
Guest70720: i'm still trying to understand how this irc thing works. I've been lurking for quite a while but mostly on the blogs and forums
Guest70720: they are endless, it's like reading the blockchain...
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danielpbarron: when i was in college, i sorta made a fool of myself by giving a presentation about irc in some computer class; the presentation was supposed to be about some online business we were supposed to have come up with in a semester. In retrospect, it was exactly the right thing to present; kids growing up without awareness of irc is not helping them
mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 24-02-2014 18:09:12; mircea_popescu: "So above you see pankkake continue to smear the company ActiveMining (by calling it an investment scam, associating it with the known 'LabCoin scam', saying the CEO is facing jail and accusing me of being a scammer (!)) after Ken publicly refused to pay pankkake's blackmail money demand."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: heh i do. i actually made a buck on that scam.
mircea_popescu: aawww, troll was a ... woman ?! ethnic ?! NOT POSSIBRU
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mircea_popescu: hey anyone remembers these bits i quoted some weeks ago about this woman that did a kickstarter-like thing for her oyung adult novel
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assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 03:18:43; mircea_popescu: sooooo... on account of bitcoind recompiled with new openssl, actual bitcoind compiled with actual openssl as of 2009 does not pass blocks in 2011
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mircea_popescu: signatures are a major vulnerability. mostly because nobody in fucking crypto except for us understands the actual constraints.
phillipsjk: A careful reading of the logs shows that mod6 was careful to use the pre-f revision of debian SSL.
phillipsjk: "The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. In addition, every non-compliant signature can trivially be converted into a compliant one, so there is no loss of functionality by this requirement."
phillipsjk: I don't understand the complete implementation details, but how do they how to convert the signatures without messing with the merkle tree? Have a table of weird transactions?
phillipsjk: .... but how do they plant to canvert the signatures without...
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk non compliant signatures are non compliant in trivial ways,
phillipsjk: It took me 3 tries to /msg assbot (mis-typed msg)
phillipsjk: Is the space padding ignored when computing the merckle hash then?
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phillipsjk: See, there is some gold buried in the bitcointalk forum. Sifting through all the noise is a pain sometimes though.
phillipsjk: The source does not have a graphical summary. You can think of it as a "map". Maps are known to be wrong on occasion.
phillipsjk has never quite understood why geocaching is supposed to be exciting "because you don't know what $Gaint_Obstacle you will encounter!"
phillipsjk: I think GPS recievers include maps now, but still.
phillipsjk: I was in Cadets for a while, and liked map&compass.
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 21:22:05; mircea_popescu: "4. You don't deserve to know any of that. It's none of your business. I invited my readers to chip in on a project--or not. I did not invite you to worm your nose into every aspect of my life, hunt down pictures of my home, call me names, or tell me I was worthless, arrogant, greedy, and undeserving. But you want to rip me bare and expose how awful you're sure I am. I get it, you want me transparent
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk trusting summaries, especially when "graphical" is a sure path to perdition.
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mircea_popescu: "It's all crap. This SJW shit is the Tea Party of the left. "
mircea_popescu: actually... the swj shit is what the left likes to think the tea party.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform um. this seems to me just a completely inept, disorganised kid.
mircea_popescu: and no doubt once they sell to facebook / washington mutual / obama's pubic hair,
mircea_popescu: they'll sell for way more than the gpg "dev" got to sell out the thing she doesn't represent.
mircea_popescu: and defo more than the lousy one year salary gavin got for attempting (and failing) some
mircea_popescu: (which incidentally makes me curious, if you get usg advance on promise to deliver and then fail to deliver, do you hjave to repay ? or go to jail ?)
mircea_popescu: "i'm married - gotta make sure my kids have no better anything to look up to than i did"
mircea_popescu: "I think that, like species, languages will form evolutionary trees, with dead-ends branching off all over. We can see this happening already. Cobol, for all its sometime popularity, does not seem to have any intellectual descendants. It is an evolutionary dead-end-- a Neanderthal language."
mircea_popescu: "Even when there were still plenty of Neanderthals, it must have sucked to be one. The Cro-Magnons would have been constantly coming over and beating you up and stealing your food."
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: have you grokked the "why" of lisp yet?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: nah, I'm writing something now for other reasons, will link when finished if you've not.
mircea_popescu: i think it's a fine language! i just don't have anything to do in it.
mircea_popescu: imagine me like a guy that has no poem to write. k ? so i don't write in italian. splendid language for the best of poems, and even for talking melodicly about the tv shows.
mircea_popescu: i don't write any c, either, or c++. i've never written either java or javascript. i sometimes to a little bash, and always to dig up natural language strings in natural language dialects. or otherwise mess the mup.
mircea_popescu: lol. i think we did something with it in school. dun recall so well.
mircea_popescu: but in any case - i'm perhaps the worst market for any language. sort-of like a grasshopper is no market for leather goods.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 03:16:39; mod6: OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014
punkman: asciilifeform: debian 7, x86
mircea_popescu: bitcoin - error only counts if generated by the right software on the right hardware on the right data spot.
punkman: worrydream fella has some interesting stuff
punkman: I remember his "The Future of Programming" talk, made me sad
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mircea_popescu: sad because you thought "one day i too will be stupid and senile like graham" ?
punkman: sad because he shows cool things that we threw away
punkman: asciilifeform: yes I have perused (even before #b-a ;)
punkman: "Matt Green, a professor specializing in cryptography at Johns Hopkins University, said he has looked at the GnuPG source code and found it in such rough shape that he regularly assigns chunks of it to his students for review. At the end I ask how they felt about it and they all basically say: 'God, please I never want to do something like this again'"
punkman: "It's not maintained by enough people, given how big it is, and it contains a lot of old cruft that should be gotten rid of. When it got re-engineered from version 1 to version 2, version 2 got re-engineered in this abstract way [so] that it's hard to figure out what's going on on the back end."
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 03:20:14; asciilifeform: let's rip out openssl in the simplest way
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mircea_popescu: "I have little direct evidence about the atrocities in the Spanish civil war. I know that some were committed by the Republicans, and far more (they are still continuing) by the Fascists. But what impressed me then, and has impressed me ever since, is that atrocities are believed in or disbelieved in solely on grounds of political predilection. Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those o
mircea_popescu: f his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence. Recently I drew up a table of atrocities during the period between 1918 and the present; there was never a year when atrocities were not occurring somewhere or other, and there was hardly a single case when the Left and the Right believed in the same stories simultaneously. And stranger yet, at any moment the situation can suddenly reverse itself and yeste
mircea_popescu: rday's proved-to-the-hilt atrocity story can become a ridiculous lie, merely because the political landscape has changed."
mircea_popescu: aww, global warming -> climate change is not a trope creator ?! WHO KNEW!!!
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assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:27:14; mircea_popescu: well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ?
mircea_popescu: nah, first timers get a few % of the profit, and at the end of a whole year.
☟︎ adlai: or 100% of the profit from using my own 10btc
adlai: i'd make a more reasonable offer for a more attractive amount of capital
mircea_popescu: yes, and the oppoortunity to have the same problem in 2016.
mircea_popescu: but, apart from that, your life, live it as you think fit.
pete_dushenski: ^took in a play ostensibly about domination and submission last night
adlai is one of the youngest folks around here, to his knowledge...
pete_dushenski: interesting idea and even some shining moments, but the script was out to post-post-modern lunch
pete_dushenski: having been written in the last decade, though, it's no huge surprise that venus in fur was timid at best
pete_dushenski: it was so strange to see an apparently confident woman be so physically inept
pete_dushenski: but was merely something to be believed in one's own head
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> it was so strange to see an apparently confident woman be so physically inept <<< this is quite a problem, yes.
pete_dushenski: maybe it was just the pussy director keeping the actors so reigned in
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 13:21:22; jurov: perhaps i can look into kraken
jurov: adlai you know buttfinex's history
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to imagine how people think actresses are to be taken seriously if it's plain obvious that should a drill sargeant manifest and yell "STRIP!" she'd start trembling like an eight year old.
adlai isn't aware of a major exchange that with a satisfactory history
adlai: jurov: but which specific episode are you referring to?
jurov: well, not all of them are based on reusing previously published gnarly code
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu which is precisely what the male protagonist bemoans in the opening scene of the play
pete_dushenski: only to fall head over heels for a slightly more verbose version of the same thing
adlai has lost money from garbage data spewed by finex's "trading engine" during extreme load... but he's also making >⅓% daily there, which has its charms
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski part of your disbelief also comes from you thinking in plain terms of d/s whereas the show seems to be thought more in terms of "a coupla switches get together".
pete_dushenski: for those interested, venus in fur is apparently playing pretty well everywhere these days
pete_dushenski: this isn't my area of expertise and i'm working from my own understanding of human motivations
pete_dushenski: and i think my reservation lies mostly in the lack of commitment
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski to quote adlai above, as far as the young actors are concerned, "it'd take half the theatre to make it worth their while" :D
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:19:42; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? << so he can make a buck ?
jurov: adlai you know, risk assessment.
jurov: and if this is going to mpif, default is not really viable
jurov: if it was extra asset with stipulation "if buttfinex fails, tough luck" then that's naother thing
Dimsler: lol looks like mircea made it on reddit on the feminist board
adlai: this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself
Dimsler: someone was quoting your womens studies article
jurov: so, let's do s.mpoe first then
☟︎ jurov: and i can submit company papers to kraken and we'll see. but it will need really good agreement as to who is liable
adlai would rather not be liable for ancient sea creatures running off with your bit-gold. placing bad trades is another matter, but this is measurable with much more resolution than solvency
adlai: amazing how this thing just keeps running while i'm in here, almost like it's not human
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assbot: Women's prison mass jail break after inmates in dominatrix gear handcuff male guards expecting 'mass orgy' - Mirror Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1xJnF5l )
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mircea_popescu: all hits on Bruno Amorim that are relevant to this story come from telegraph.co.uk
mircea_popescu: not likely this'd have happened and no mention in spanish/portuguese press.
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mircea_popescu: but anyway hiv is not ever going to be diagnosable in saliva.
mircea_popescu: might as well insist you find burglars by inspecting livestock exclusively.
mircea_popescu: is it possible through pure chance to miss an infection because it just didn't happen to go to saliva ?
mircea_popescu: at the size of the proteins involved, there's not really THAT many billion units in a saliva sample.
mircea_popescu: your test will probably be in the double digit failure rate, which is laughable. i suspect it is impossible for chemodynamic reasons to make it single digit, which makes it impractical
mircea_popescu: they are still large, and not particularly saliva bound.
mircea_popescu: logically, the antibodies are not often found where the virus is not often found. the human machine is still a machine, trying to be economical if possible.
mircea_popescu: "This is due, in part, to variations in the type and volume of oral sample collected, how the sample is handled prior to testing, the concentration of immunoglobulin (Ig) G present, and if testing methods have been modified to accommodate the use of oral fluids. In early studies that reported poor sensitivity, whole saliva was used and there was little consideration for the volume and condition of the sample needed and
mircea_popescu: the choice of screening assays employed. For this reason, investigators have developed specialized collection devices that enhance the level of antibodies, particularly IgG, in oral specimens, ensure sufficient specimen volume, and include reagents to prevent microbial growth and proteolytic breakdown of antibodies. In general, this has been accomplished by collecting oral fluids enriched in gingival crevicular fluid
mircea_popescu: and mucosal transudate, which possess increased levels of IgG relative to saliva"
mircea_popescu: a) it's not "spit in cup" and b) it still doesn't really work.
mircea_popescu: also, this is all positive testing. what you want is negative testing. entirely different beasts.
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punkman: asciilifeform: punkman: micro-ecc << very interesting. mainly in that it is actually small enough to read. << speaking of small things...
punkman: netbsd has a pgp implementation
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punkman: I assume this has less baggage
punkman: speaking of baggage, there is a type of gpg packet that can cause an infinite loop in version 1.4.16 and before
danielpbarron: speaking of netbsd; that's what i'm researching as a candidate to replace archlinux for the pogo
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 18:14:06; jurov: so, let's do s.mpoe first then
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mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's not "a technology", specifically in that it's not made to serve man.
adlai: don't worry, i believe the same nonsense about my discovery
adlai: also i don't follow why you think that i have this expectation, or that it affects my problem(s)
adlai wonders why so many programmers are like "Math is hard!" barbie
mircea_popescu: programmers are, by and large, social sciences rejects.
mircea_popescu: they know enough to steer away from those places where they can most easily be caught being stupid.
mircea_popescu: your average soviet bureaucrat would avoid committing to paper as much as 1+1=2 , if he could get away with it. and sensibly so, because... you never know.
mircea_popescu: a slightly pudgy 37 yo woman in iowa is not slinking towards her car in a parking lot among crickets because she is going to get raped
adlai: well you can catch yourself being stupid before you "open your mouth and remove all doubt", although i guess it's harder the stupider you get
mircea_popescu: by any one of the 0.05 people present on the same square mile
adlai: khaneman has a chapter on this, tl;dr is that a good "expert" is one who knows when to mistrust expert intuition
mircea_popescu: game much more serious, because not being the work self, it actually therefore must be... THE REAL ME
mircea_popescu: no, you imagine specifically that you aren't, and that this is specifically why it matters.
mircea_popescu: ANYONE Could be an actual star/paratrooper/president if they actually tried.
mircea_popescu: italians, as their states were disintegrating, called this spezzatura
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 20:09:21; mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
adlai doesn't have this expectation
adlai: if it's an unconscious expectation, then i'm not conscious of having it :)
mircea_popescu: well, let me change this from something we don't know to something we do know.
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mircea_popescu: when the airplane came about, everyone hailed it as a "great civilizing factor"
mircea_popescu: the generalexpectation being, that it will meld into people's lives as they are, making them more so.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, by 1950 the vast majority of the utility of planes was dropping bombs on people's heads.
mircea_popescu: the plane CHANGED their life. it didn't come about to make 1900 a more-1800-than-1800.
mircea_popescu: it came about to "fuck you louise, go in the air shelter and sit there"
mircea_popescu: and to "fuck you charlie, read or don't read but the light stays out"
mircea_popescu: charlie going "i am willing to work with planes as long as either the light stays on or x or y"
mircea_popescu: is well... laughable. good luck wioth that, you only have one life and when that's finished there you go.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2014 17:33:21; asciilifeform: people don't seem to grasp the fact that the situation in 'shall be delivered' is as inevitable as that first street drunk who electrocuted himself in the 1870s (?)
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ben_vulpes: <chetty> [] and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so << pretty much here already in the states
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, did you just try to connect to my node?
ben_vulpes: i'm reading logs from days past, not hacking
danielpbarron: heh, someone did, and it's not configured to serve blocks at the moment
danielpbarron: hey at those QNTR prices, I made ~5 bucks per article i wrote. not bad :D
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages << i worked with a database with queries in datalog recently.
ben_vulpes: ;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
trinque: how many countries have to be fighting a war for the phrase "world war" to apply?
trinque: ben_vulpes: good afternoon!
adlai: by that logic, world war iii is the 'war on drugs'
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] interesting idiots are sometimes (temporarily) tolerated. tedious idiots - never. << /me waves
adlai: [] really is getting quite tedious
adlai is a fan of dropping in a url and letting assbot do the heavy lifting
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. << me too.
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ben_vulpes: i've a feeling argentina'd welcome me with open arms.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't buy the malicious usg. thing is purely reactive, and only within the logic of itself.
ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform: forgive my naivte, but what's the recommended approach to efficiently toggling between versions of libs for compiling cturds? in particular, ssl for bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: i start to understand how badly the c toolchain messes with ones head
ben_vulpes: there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but...
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thestringpuller: really would love to watch a Comedy show inspired by the work of ALF
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] how do you plan to use it w/o a wallet ? << gotta move all the transaction generation logic out of the turd. implies a database replacement using something that can actually be queried, not a braindamaged k/v store.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ? << working towards this is the root my plaintive cries about what it means to "bitcoinate"
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ben_vulpes: something indescribeably stupid, no doubt
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:39; mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:54; danielpbarron: hah same here
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: buddy of mine who works at the intel plant up there.
thestringpuller: he was like "I've become a hipster even though I was an anti-hipster"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: D1X can do strange things to a man.
ben_vulpes: but uh normally the fab does not produce hipsters, no.
ben_vulpes: fwiw there aren't many orcs in the rural bits of ussa, and one can shoot trespassers on sign in those provinces too
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ben_vulpes: most recently, we've seen what happens to people who shoot each other in the suburbs
thestringpuller: when you shoot him in the suburbs, everyone loses their shit.
ben_vulpes: out in the woods, the sop (as i understand it, not having pulled this particular hat trick myself) is to fire a warning shot, shoot the invader, and then call the sherrif.
ben_vulpes: what is different there? why no orcs or plunderers?
ben_vulpes: actually asciilifeform i contest this stance
ben_vulpes: i've worked in minimally secured shops
ben_vulpes: with tens of thousands of dollars in hardware
ben_vulpes: subspace in busy warehouse, not much by way of rent or opportunities for theft.
ben_vulpes: granted, we had to run it from the mains entry point *ourselves*
ben_vulpes: and the guy who ran the place had his own out-of-sight apartment that was rarely shown to other tenants
ben_vulpes: i grow to suspect that you see all of the ussa as a homogenous enforcement environment.
ben_vulpes: which makes sense, coming from an inhabitant of the Forbidden City
ben_vulpes: the risk of losing my hands was not worth the pay.
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what is it about that place that provides for space and security at such a low cost?
ben_vulpes: what do you mean by "civilized world"?
ben_vulpes: is the typical american to expect those to be hard to come by in the "civilized world"?
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 06:26:04; mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 22:22:37; benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border.