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BingoBoingo figures La Sernissima is economy oriented by might not want to go zip tie cheap, though "Master"Lock is cheaper than handcuffs
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/
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nubbins`: you can get some tough zip ties
mircea_popescu: you can get zip ties on a braided steel basis.
nubbins`: but, fwiw, you also raise eyebrows buying biopsy punches as a private citizen
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nah, just other things with them to lower the eyebrows back down.
nubbins`: wtf else am i gonna buy at a medical supply store
mircea_popescu: enema kits.
nubbins`: a poop stool isn't gonna make the biopsy pu... oh, hm
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, if you want to seem normal... specimin slides, gauze, various dyes, and yes enema kits
nubbins`: yeah that'd do it
mircea_popescu: two 100 boxes of biopsy punches and 24 enema kits
nubbins`: ha
nubbins`: "you a doctor?" "nope" "...cash or credit?"
BingoBoingo: Go into the store with a list. You boss sent you. "Busy Afternoon"
BingoBoingo: *Your
nubbins`: in the guy's defense he didn't press further
mircea_popescu: speaking of skin cancer : did you know that mohs for melanoma works or doesn't work entirely depending on whoever does it ?
mircea_popescu: it might be the one still medical disease left.
BingoBoingo: ^ True
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: But seriously if they ask about your Boss "Dad, he's at the farm with the Vet" "It's looking like we'll have to put them all down"
nubbins`: wat
nubbins`: duod this was like 15 years ago ;/
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The pretext for picking up a few hundred biopsy punches. You never know what the future holds
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run << ?!?!?! what are you using, a vax ?! 3.5 hours?
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: a not well endowed vm
nubbins`: BingoBoingo whatever it holds, i've no further need for biopsy punches
nubbins`: although i've occasionally wished i had one while holding a particularly plump tangelo
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What if research determines wetware could benefit from integral faraday cage?
nubbins`: something draws me to it
nubbins`: BingoBoingo then i guess i'd have to fill all these fistulas up again
BingoBoingo: But yes, there's also the non-meat culinary, gardening, and engineering uses for the things
mircea_popescu: btw re anarchist cookbook thing, it seems there's a bit of americana in there.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: it seems : that the original author pulled a deepthroat, that the original publisher owned the rights to it
nubbins`: asciilifeform 4gb ram but only 1 cpu core
mircea_popescu: and that this arrangement came to a halt recently, when some arkansas derps bought it, and are republishing a widely bowdlerized version.
asciilifeform: who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook'
asciilifeform: what's next, -buy- 'the bastard operator from hell' ?
mircea_popescu: americana, i say.
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mircea_popescu: (btw, i'd have figured you bought a hardcopy of tbofh)
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: in my mind they only exist as ascii txt.
asciilifeform: it'd feel truly strange to behold either on dead tree.
BingoBoingo: Urban legend in library world is that "Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Steal this Book" are titles that would outrage censors who find them in library catalogs long after library patron's had liberated them from the shelves.
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' <<<
nubbins`: BingoBoingo all the fun books were missing from my uni's library
mircea_popescu gets flashbacks of alf dissatisfied with heroin on market, starting work on own poppies.
mircea_popescu: IN AN EMULATOR!
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/
nubbins`: phun phact, many flower shops sell opium poppy pods, dried
mircea_popescu: they grow wild in europe.
mircea_popescu: wheat crop pest actually.
nubbins`: blue seas
nubbins`: i made tea from seeds once but chickened out
mircea_popescu: ;;google cimp cu maci
gribble: Câmp cu maci (2011) on Vimeo: <https://vimeo.com/94752660>; Fotografii maci pe Comunitate Foto: <http://www.comunitatefoto.ro/fotografii/tag/maci/>; Camp de maci - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2wgT2N74zY>
mircea_popescu: one of the most cliche painting subjects too
mats: nubbins`: SWIM bought seeds, like you, and made a paste that we smoked. it was a lot of effort and very mild.
nubbins`: gross
mats: i think he boiled the stuff and then just let the water evaporate.
trinque: SWIM ... "we smoked" << lol
nubbins`: 8)
mats: i'm new to this subterfuge thing.
trinque: man I remember discovering erowid back when
nubbins`: what a rabbit hole
mircea_popescu: afaik the paste (very finely ground seeds with butter) is widely used as a filling
mircea_popescu: at least, it was in a bunch of traditional romanian pastries i never cared for.
BingoBoingo: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/6/67/Bread.jpg/600px-Bread.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNxVUt )
nubbins`: same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels
nubbins`: poor elaine ;/
asciilifeform: who
mats: seinfeld reference.
mircea_popescu: they put it in cozonac instead of proper black wallnut paste, it's appalling.
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels << Yes "legit" opioids come from the waste straw from food cultivation of the seeds
danielpbarron: nubbins`> i made tea from seeds once but chickened out << i've had poppy tea; it was very pleasurable
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik no, they compete.
mircea_popescu: they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. << Depends on whose definition of "legit" production. Pharma usually takes straw for processing.
mircea_popescu: aok
BingoBoingo: less total alkaloids, but useful to them is less of a mix of alkaloids survive that far into the plant's life
BingoBoingo: Also keeps less people from being involved in the harvest compared to labor intensive latex harvesting
mircea_popescu: mats someone who is not you could have bought a shitton of seeds, ground them finely, poured straight vinegar on the whole mess, let it sit for a while, then wash it all out and enjoy.
mircea_popescu: what's smoking supposed to do.
mats: making the stuff and smoking it wasn't my idea
mats: but i thought, hey, you know, i'll try this stuff that white folk used to enslave a generation of my ancestors
asciilifeform: !b 2 ✂︎
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nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: ah, mats is from aznland ?
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113438 << seems the author of the bitcoin spaceghost hjas come forward
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mircea_popescu: http://junseth.com/post/112626834687/stop-talking-about-confirmation-speeds-start
assbot: #savetherobots — Stop Talking About Confirmation Speeds.... Start... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAl5r )
mircea_popescu: notbad either
mats: ya.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000083.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNBxpr )
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who thought 'eh why do we need static anyway, at the very least on pogo'
asciilifeform: ^ this kind of binary -did- run on arch, etc.
asciilifeform: because the turds were present.
asciilifeform: there is a fucking -reason- why the gnomes sabotaged static building.
asciilifeform: [root@alarm ~]# ldd bitcoind
asciilifeform: libdl.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb6f57000)
asciilifeform: libpthread.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb6f2e000)
asciilifeform: libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb6e52000)
asciilifeform: libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0xb6da3000)
asciilifeform: libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb6d74000)
danielpbarron: !up junseth
asciilifeform: libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0xb6c2e000)
asciilifeform: /lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0xb6f6c000)
asciilifeform: ^ on arch.
junseth: You guys are great. Don't read it everyday, but I enjoy stumbling on the Bitcoin-assets stuff from time to time.
danielpbarron: aww <3
junseth: Haha. Glad I stumbled on the trilema post too. Your content is always really spot on +mircea_popescu
danielpbarron: wow not often I encounter someone who has not only heard of b-a or trilema but also actually likes them
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
junseth: Haha. Well, I wouldn't say I have heard of Bitcoin assets so much as stumbled on ya'lls stuff from time to time.
danielpbarron: like where? where is it that is allowing b-a content to the surface ?
danielpbarron: got me shadowbanned on reddit
junseth: Haha did it?
junseth: Man, it's always weird shit
danielpbarron: well /r/bitcoin at least
junseth: I can tell you how I got here today
junseth: I wanted to see where the space ghost image had gotten to
junseth: so I went to images.google.com and threw the URL in there.
junseth: And voilla, I end up at both trilema and the bitcoin-assets log
danielpbarron: :D
danielpbarron: most things that are worth googling will lead to those results
junseth: You guys are like Florida. No one comes here on purpose. They end up here.
junseth: :)
danielpbarron: so do you have gpg by any chance?
Bagels7: I'm just here for the random violent porn
mircea_popescu: o hey junseth
junseth: I actually don't, believe it or not. I've been doing bitcoin since like 2008 ;P and I have never bothered to give a hoot about making sure I have a provable identity.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: that sorta claim won't make friends.
mircea_popescu: anyway, never too late to get straightened out
junseth: Hahaha. Just kidding about the date.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will notice the "eh why" point never actually came up ? somewhat to my surprise honestly.
mircea_popescu: junseth so what do you do ? for a living i mean.
junseth: alarmgrid.com
junseth: I am a marketer. I own a DIY home security company.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i only tested because had another debastardizer that i wanted to test.
mircea_popescu: junseth how's that going ?
asciilifeform: (there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache)
junseth: Good. It's growing.
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087484 <<< usually one or two deaths from this each year in tasmania given to the fact they grow pharma quality poppis aka the good shit and some kids take to the fields to grab a few pods for a brew
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 00:20:38; nubbins`: i made tea from seeds once but chickened out
junseth: 3rd year
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lseek error seems perhaps reminiscent of the fat problems ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it appears to be a deep-seated retardation in busybox's e2fs utils
cazalla: anyway.. they have a public health site for the tassie poppies http://notyouraveragepoppy.org.au/
assbot: Not Your Average Poppy... The human body cannot process the chemicals in the Tasmanian poppy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNETsN )
mircea_popescu: junseth basically everything you sell is honeywell ?
junseth: At the moment. We're putting some 2gig up. GE eventually.
mircea_popescu: aha.
junseth: But yeah, I optimize one thing at a time
mircea_popescu: "Tasmanian poppies are highly toxic if ingested. They are uniquely different to standard poppies and have been developed to produce chemicals suitable for industrial processing only." << check out the proper use of ge huh.
junseth: so we own the Honeywell search terms
mircea_popescu: "make them secrete ricin too!"
junseth: Now onto the next products.
junseth: Haha, but as you can see, at nights, ont he weekends, I do Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: "libc.so.6 => not found" << what the shit ?!
mircea_popescu: junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue.
mircea_popescu: look into volcker, the problem he addressed, how he addressed it etc.
junseth: Haha, I like to play with this argument. If you want we can have it. I'll bite. What do you believe inflation to be?
mircea_popescu: us had inflation over 10% a year (not counting moimentary flareups of 1000% APY for a day or w/e) almost each decade.
mircea_popescu: depends on your definition of inflation. by my definition of inflation, the us experiences about 15% a year, on average, since 2000. that's exacerbating over time, so 2015 may well see 30%+
junseth: Ok. So let's work with those numbers. At 10% per year for over a decade, what you're claiming is that the basket of goods you would be purchasing would have increased abotu 3x in the last decade.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. << But for the lizards who got to see their cocaine prices drop nearly six fold over 3 decades...
junseth: Hahaha
mircea_popescu: junseth roughly.
mircea_popescu: behold : i declare my basket.
junseth: Hahaha
asciilifeform: the most entertaining aspect is the gymnastics carried out so u.s. folks can say 'ahahah, inflation 30% but where then is the $30/gl. petrol'
mircea_popescu: take three houses in the top 10% land value areas of the country, take college funds for twelve children.
asciilifeform: and a few other massive 'rob peter to pay paul' operations around which the entire orchestra revolves
mircea_popescu: divide the sum of this basked in 1965 with the sum of this basket today
mircea_popescu: take into account the incredible decay in quality
junseth: I mean, if what you usually purchase is 3x more expensive now than it was a decade ago, I am baffled.
mircea_popescu: (hey, if the usg is pretending like increases in quality wash inflation away, same argument can be used the other way too)
mircea_popescu: and you'll notice we're looking at 10x not 3x.
mircea_popescu: so : five to ten as bad college today as compared to 1965, which costs 100k instead of 10k. this is about 50x to 100x factor.
junseth: I mean, this purported decay in quality involves the development of computers in your hand, cheaper foods a la GMOs (Norman Borlaug), and other nonesuch.
mircea_popescu: much shittier houses today than in 1965, about a margin of 2 to 3, that cost... 30x more, just about.
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: the purported decay in quality involves specifically this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ
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junseth: RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i am not discussing your idea of a fair metric.
mircea_popescu: i told you my metric. that's the metric.
mircea_popescu: if i go to the tailor and i tell him i want pants that are nine feet long, he doesn't get to tell me pant length is not a fair metric.
mircea_popescu: !up junseth
mircea_popescu: fact remains you ARE stuck paying for college. and you are stuck paying for "owning" a "house".
mircea_popescu: compared to this, i couldn't care less what ipads cost.
mircea_popescu: seeing how i don't use them anyway.
junseth: Hahaha. Well, fair enough. Give me a few minutes. I have to leave my office. I'll come back and do more of this.
mircea_popescu: no rush
mircea_popescu: the b-a is eternal.
mats: 21:41:40 <+junseth> RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. << you're wrong.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what boggles most about those gymnastics is the fact that somehow the same people don't link the dots between "unaffordable health care" and "inflation". isn't this strange ?
junseth: I will say this though, I am a very strong believer in the Chicago school of economics which says that deep markets are efficient. So, inflation, for me, tends to be uninetresting, because you can very very easily hedge against it.
mircea_popescu: this is at best naive.
mircea_popescu: markets are only efficient if they exist
mircea_popescu: the us hasn't had a market economy for a century now.
junseth: It might be. I invite you to explain why it's naive. If you can tell me your inputs, I can tell you why I agree or disagree.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: ballet is not "an efficient market", for instance. even if it exists, phenomenologically.
mircea_popescu: not everything that happens to be perceptible is automatically a free market by virtue of that.
mircea_popescu: a play about the free market, for instance, is not itself a free market.
decimation: junseth: if the bond market is 'efficient' (for example), why does it seem to oscillate between 'rally' and 'sell-off' seemingly dependent on how the fed might act?
decimation: pretty good podcast http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html >" But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people want.' I think ontologically, that is, in
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decimation: terms of existence, the idea of the will of the people is a genie or will o' the wisp, that we shouldn't really believe in. But for technical reasons, that notion of outcomes being the will of the people, we should be very skeptical about."
mircea_popescu: anyways ill bbl.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: official platform > I agree, it would be useful if a single build platform
decimation: I suggest perhaps i486 on freebsd
nubbins`: wat
danielpbarron: !up junseth
junseth: Thanks
danielpbarron: if you register a gpg key with assbot, i'm sure someone here will give you a +1 which would let you voice yourself, and that lasts longer than 30 minutes
junseth: One second, let me catch up
decimation: i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, and it has the advantage of being still 'executable' on modern cpus
junseth: That's a very good idea. I'll do taht probably a little later tonight.
junseth: I really should have done it a long time ago
asciilifeform: <decimation> i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, <<< ahahahhahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: mmm, no.
asciilifeform: (and don't forget the chipset, bus, etc. idiocies.)
decimation: well, it's simpler than 'pentium'
decimation: well, i386 is dumb because it lacks floating point
decimation: failing that I was thinking mips with some variant of solaris
junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
danielpbarron: i don't think the argument posed was that they don't work, but that the U.S. hasn't had one for the last century
trinque: ^
decimation: junseth: how does the market 'work' when it's being systematically manipulated in ways that the participants cannot readily observe?
asciilifeform: decimation: solaris?!!!!?
asciilifeform: wtf
decimation: heh
decimation: I'm referring to the now defunct 'open solaris'
decimation: it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade'
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-12-2014#946855 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2014 04:36:48; asciilifeform: solaris was a perfectly-legit unix
asciilifeform: i demand fewest bytes - period
asciilifeform: because will eventually have to read the disasm.
asciilifeform: unless one of you volunteer.
decimation: in that case, a simple instruction set is a boon
asciilifeform has a confession to make
asciilifeform bought a 2-sided laser printer and printed 0.5.3
asciilifeform could no more resist this.
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
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decimation: heh
asciilifeform: for bedroom, for now, eventually it will join the bookcase full of similar 3rings
decimation: asciilifeform: did you colorize it
junseth: decimation: What do you define as "manipulation?"
BingoBoingo: <decimation> it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' << Thing is also huge, bloated
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: no color
asciilifeform: traditional b&w printer
decimation: BingoBoingo: ah but it has functional 'dtrace'
BingoBoingo: decimation: Do you want to make sense of ZFS turd?
decimation: junseth: well, in the simple case, the quantity of dollars that are 'allowed' to exist
decimation: zfs isn't needed to boot
asciilifeform unlike BingoBoingo, is not enamoured of 1980s commercial unixen
asciilifeform: even if 'opened' posthumously
decimation: asciilifeform: well, what would you suggest? buildroot?
danielpbarron: junseth, see also the arbitrary banning of various goods
BingoBoingo: Solaris in all likelyhood far too heavy and greasy to adapt to embedable minimalism
asciilifeform: buildroot.
decimation: on 486?
asciilifeform: on mips
asciilifeform: unrelated,
trinque: decimation: junseth: and the subsidy of various "goods"
asciilifeform: i have the arm turd from the failed test (see earlier listserv post) running on 'arch'
junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
asciilifeform: 105300+ and no oom
trinque: junseth: I'm a "bitcoiner" to see central banking go extinct
asciilifeform: its a standard skull'n'crossbone orphanage burner with max cap set to 25
asciilifeform: and non-rollovering debug.log
nubbins`: nice
asciilifeform: ^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over?
asciilifeform: surely not satoshi ?
asciilifeform: why even have it, if it randomly loses itself
nubbins`: "a finite amount of log should be good enough for anybody"
junseth: trinque: I don't know many Bitcoiners who would disagree. I'm just less vehement about that happening. I think Bitcoin is better money.
danielpbarron: ah yes, good habit to cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log between each restart
decimation: junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have a system that
decimation: was even more stable in purchasing power. But in retrospect, the variations in the purchasing power of the dollar under the classical gold standard were trivial compared to what it's been under the post-gold-standard period, the fiat dollar standard. "
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/03/lawrence_h_whit.html
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danielpbarron: junseth, bitcoin is better money because of its decentralized nature
mats: oh thank god there's a transcript
decimation: mats: yeah it's a good episode, I recommend it
junseth: Do you think that Bitocin would be better if it were backed by gold or silver?
danielpbarron: such a thing makes no sense
BingoBoingo: !up KatelynTaylor
mats: what would that even entail?
KatelynTaylor: whats better AMD or Intel?
KatelynTaylor: what can run bitcoin better?
asciilifeform: !down meowmix
decimation: ^ the above is lifted out of a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking
asciilifeform: !down KatelynTaylor
asciilifeform: dearphuq.
BingoBoingo: !down KatelynTaylor meowmix
mats: market maker offers exchange for metallics?
junseth: danielbparron, Well, I would say that electronic, non-government controlled money is better money. Bitcoin's decentralization lets us take advantage of those better features. Previous attempts at using what we all agreed would have been better were shutdown because they were centralized.
asciilifeform: 'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death' ☟︎
danielpbarron: junseth, bitcoin is inherently valuable; it needs nothing else to back it
trinque: !s gold
assbot: 1853 results for 'gold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gold
danielpbarron: i like gold; i'd hapily accept gold coins in some sort of local economy
junseth: I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better.
junseth: RE: Bitcoin's inherent value, I agree.
danielpbarron: but i'd keep my savings in bitcoin, using it to replentish my gold coins on a monthly basis or something
nubbins`: sort of like how a car with a built-in stove would be better
asciilifeform: junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots.
punkman: car-stove sounds good
asciilifeform: how many nerve cells does it take to understand that a random net derp cannot back X with Y, for any value of x or y
decimation: junseth: the kinds of folks who would 'fall' for those scams are generally not the kind who are going to matter in bitcoin over the long term
junseth: hahaha, absolutely true.
asciilifeform: nor would he, if could
decimation: bitcoin is a fiat currency, but is also radically decentralized
decimation: but its foundation of trust lies fully in its protocol and specification
decimation: which is why the work of the foundation is so important
asciilifeform: !up junseth
junseth: :) Haha. I agree with all of that.
junseth: I would be willing to bet a lot of money that we agree on almost everything Bitcoin ,an dprobably disagree a lot about how markets work.
asciilifeform: junseth: do you believe that it is appropriate to use the word 'market' to describe a system where the crown is the single largest economic actor ?
junseth: Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is a market.
asciilifeform: junseth: how about a puppet show where kermit the frog 'buys' a bag of 'fuzzies' from miss piggy ?
asciilifeform: is that also a 'market' ?
asciilifeform: if not, why not ?
trinque: nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place
junseth: haha, a market of two people is a market.
junseth: a market of two things is a market
junseth: Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is a market or not
asciilifeform: how about n people and one demented omnipotent monster who can eat them at will.
trinque: so the word means nothing
trinque: junseth: are two male chimps in a cage a viable ecosystem?
junseth: Haha, well a market is a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like a lot of things. But a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing.
junseth: Hahaha. Are they intelligent enough to make trades and transact?
asciilifeform: words have -meanings.'
trinque: didn't say transact
trinque: junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets
decimation: asciilifeform: ok let's say you employ buildroot. which kernel? which gcc/glib?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'easy' - the ones that -work-.
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: the kernel, for what it's worth, is not a sticking point.
decimation: I would suggest a redhat-patched gcc actually
asciilifeform: ick
asciilifeform: why
decimation: well, they follow exactly the method you advocate
asciilifeform: what method would that be
decimation: if you look at the contents of a src.rpm it's a collection of patches with the original tarball
asciilifeform: redhat is more or less the last thing i want to use for anything linux-related.
asciilifeform: it is indelibly stained.
decimation: I get it, but a patch is a patch
asciilifeform: for what do i need these stooges' patches ?
decimation: certainly I'm not saying that they should be taken on redhat's name alone
asciilifeform: what the hell is wrong with naked, classical gcc.
asciilifeform: straight from rms's arse
decimation: well, many of them are probably not useful in the context of buildroot
trinque: lol
decimation: but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about
asciilifeform: i don't want any redhat patches. if were any good, would have made it back into mainline.
asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...
decimation: i admit that many of them are probably useful bugfixes that are backported
asciilifeform: i do not want them in a lake, i do not want them on the stake, ...
decimation: redhat is used in many places
decimation: perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite a bit of 'fix this shit'
asciilifeform has used, did not like.
asciilifeform: because, aside from the authorship,
asciilifeform: it is neither minimal, nor clean, nor self-reconstructing.
decimation: asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot
junseth: "junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets" I'm not sure what you mean. Can you
junseth: expound.
decimation: I suppose my overall point is that if the build target is 'frozen', someone is gonna have to maintain the infrastructure
decimation: so one can take advantage of that which exists already commercially, or 'do it self'
nubbins`: enouhg monkey-football for one weekend
nubbins`: nite
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00027 = 6.615 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu broadcast sent
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: turdogram!
decimation: eh?
asciilifeform: s.nsa broadcast
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu kindly decruftifies them for me before they are posted.
decimation: ah
decimation: re: discussion about paper keys < I wonder if a set of symbols in combination with a very simple 'ocr' algorithm might work
asciilifeform: 'simple' ocr ?!!!
decimation: well, think q-r code
decimation: which isn't terribly simple, I admit
asciilifeform: decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081008 << see recent thread ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu.
asciilifeform does not like qr code
decimation: ah I agree
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decimation: but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey a 4096 bit rsa privkey
Chillum: braille?
decimation: well, there is some precedent for embedded devices reading optical codes - the checkout counter
decimation remembers 'light wand' attached to a serial terminal he once used as a clerk
danielpbarron: https://medium.com/@beautyon_/grundsaudaag-jour-de-la-marmotte-ground-hog-day-8570677dd90b
assbot: Grundsaudaag. Jour de la Marmotte. Ground Hog Day — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNDw01 )
danielpbarron: I have no doubt that these same people, had you enthusiastically said to them, "Your 64MB flash drive will hold a 64GB in a few years and cost less!" would have scoffed at the idea. The same thing is happening with Bitcoin. Men who know nothing about software are scoffing at the idea that Bitcoin can change and improve. Its an a-historical perspective, to use parliamentary language. On IRC, they simply say, "DERP!".
danielpbarron: ^ from the guy who came into b-a to register in the gribble WoT post-fork
Chillum: I would have believed it
Chillum: I am still waiting for my hovercar
danielpbarron: It is only now that Edward Snowden has confirmed that GPG is beyone the reach of the NSA, that their ignorant anti GPG nonsense is forever dispelled as garbage.
danielpbarron: They are very short and terse in the text (just as the Bitcoin White Paper is) and you are invited to run the software yourself. The install process is simple, and then the software either does what it developers claim it does, or it does not. Its all simple and straightforward.
danielpbarron: what world is this guy observing?
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BingoBoingo: One with better drugs than ours?
danielpbarron: To do this, you issue everyone with write access to the database, a GPG Keypair that they use to sign entries and changes. Each signer will have a GPG Keypair, and a separate machine will automatically sign all entries with its own keypair, for time stamping and authenticating entries. << this guy writes like he reads the log but misses the point
mircea_popescu: this log makes me go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxoGGh5ZZG8
assbot: Animaniacs - The Monkey Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNIoSP )
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087666 << dude, it's not a discussion that "markets don't work". it's a discussion that before markets can work, you gotta have them. similarly, if you don't have running water, you have a hygiene problem. this isn't because "bathrooms don't work", it's because you.do.not.have.one.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:04:31; junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
mircea_popescu: yes the market would be a great solution, were it applied. sadly, "the political costs". ie, exactly the same tired old record that drove the soviet union into the wall.
mircea_popescu: people have to accept their feelings don't matter. they always end up doing this, it's just some have to get raped with a spiked club first.
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mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087709 << central banking is, contrary to the disinfo floating around, in no way part of the problem. it managed to work as a mostly-solution for a long time, but meanwhile the dung overflew it and it's clogged.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:21:29; junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
mircea_popescu: the problem is "consumers have come to expect" and "representative democracy", not the central bank.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087715 << early on debug.log readily filled a disk.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:23:08; asciilifeform: ^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over?
mircea_popescu: i wonder why people don't think representative reproduction is a workable idea, incidentally. we all get together, pick me to fuck all your wives and girlfriends, and that's that. everyone else gets http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsx3hxyNS51r3yt08o3_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNKkLd )
mircea_popescu: makes about as much sense in all possible approaches.
mircea_popescu: ( and developing countries could just use http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxt4gfytEx1r4smfqo1_1280.jpg )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNKvpV )
cazalla: so in pillars of eternity, you come across this priest dude and he somewhat looks like danielpbarron
cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/5y2xgQm.png if anyone cares
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19Wk13q )
mircea_popescu: btw cazalla and all folks who actually play games : once eulora 0.1 comes out, ima hold an event where there's gonna be magic money bags, yielding coin each day. i want y'all to show up an' get one.
cazalla: who has the time for mmos?!
mircea_popescu: legacy unique items, dun be a fool.
cazalla: i heard it was a game for casuals
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: this trolling. it is 7/10
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087767 << bull. maybe in your (limited) life experience.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:36:19; trinque: nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, most everything in life is unregulated.
mircea_popescu: this may be scary, but it is right and proper.
trinque: I wasn't talking about just human life
trinque: everything that lives has limitations imposed by other things
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087798 << he has a point in that it's not a waste to read them, esp given the methodology.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:05; decimation: but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about
mircea_popescu: trinque the difference between that and regulation is the statutory nature of the later.
mircea_popescu: gravity is a limit but it regulates nothing. the murder taboo is a limit and regulatory.
trinque: yeah, I was off the mark in trying to describe the abnormality of that, actually
trinque: nobody centrally plans the fucking habits of this or that species
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087800 << "you can not study nonsense at the university. but the history of nonsense - now that's scholarship."
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:42; asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...
mircea_popescu: trinque comes down exactly to the ancient causes and purposes distinction. if people find a way to fly, nobody "deems gravity broken" or hoilds talks on how to patch it "because this wasn't the intended result"
mircea_popescu: it has no intended result, not being regulation. it simply flows from causes. this is why it's sustainable where the regulatory crud never was.
trinque: right, causes aren't arbitrary
mircea_popescu: well, something like that. moreover, they aren't imaginary. they're actual. purposes are always and necessarily mere delusions.
mircea_popescu: which is why natural laws do not rely on some sort of "intelligence", to be epitethically generous.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087833 << from what i've seen 4096 privkeys moistly fit on one sheet without further skullduggery
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 03:39:35; decimation: but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey a 4096 bit rsa privkey
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087842 < AND the submerged fucking cities.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 03:53:13; Chillum: I am still waiting for my hovercar
mircea_popescu: !up junseth
mircea_popescu: eh get in the wot wouldja.
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asciilifeform: height=131128
asciilifeform: total mem ~= 99M (mostly constant)
asciilifeform: (pogo, heathen linux, pseudostatic, modified skull'n'crossbones)
asciilifeform: eulora 0.1 comes out << one of these days i'ma have to get a box with a 3d board
asciilifeform: (believe or not - i don't have one...)
asciilifeform: ....
asciilifeform: finally croaked.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00027163 = 1.3582 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: ahoy!
pete_dushenski: just wrapped up another successful seder.
pete_dushenski: 5775 in the books
pete_dushenski: bigger one this year, 30 people, all wrapped around my little finger ;)
nubbins`: $ ldd bitcoind
nubbins`: not a dynamic executable
pete_dushenski: also went to 'good friday' services and painted ukrainian easter eggs
pete_dushenski: if that's not an ecumenical day i don't know what is.
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.32, Best ask: 254.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 254.38, 24 hour volume: 28353.96156678, 24 hour low: 250.31, 24 hour high: 256.49, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no idea what this means. wut ?
cazalla: the jew moon or something! (we'll have a good view of it here tonight)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the passover seder ?
mircea_popescu: oic
pete_dushenski: exodus and whatnot
pete_dushenski: plagues, moses, pharoah, the works.
mircea_popescu: so 5775/30/fingering ?
pete_dushenski: 5775 is the current year in the hebrew calendar
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-march-2015-statement/
mircea_popescu: o it is isn't it.
pete_dushenski: yup, what 8 trilemers, 2015 gregorians, 5775 jooz ?
mircea_popescu: d tr. is actually dupa Trompi, not Trilema. and only 7.
BingoBoingo: 6 Bitcoins
pete_dushenski: ^indeed.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll1sufMqJZ1qaz8fmo1_1280.jpg << i don't recall if we did this or not ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbgdcK )
pete_dushenski: 'did this' as in.... hazing new kids ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that from mengele's house down the block?
mircea_popescu: as in commented upon lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just trying to give alf better ideas, the gasenwagen and recto-thermo-crypto stuff is getting old >D
pete_dushenski: hah
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ever since he described that outhouse, I think I'm understanding his fascination with turds nao.
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086379 << seconded by another #b-a canadian, me.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 14:20:39; Chillum: poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is
pete_dushenski: gravy is some nasty shit. i can't stand it with anything.
pete_dushenski: same goes for mayo and whip cream.
pete_dushenski: i'm not even envious of people who like them and have no desire to 'expand my palette' to include them
pete_dushenski: quite content as is
mircea_popescu: you ever had them made well ?
mircea_popescu: often when people claim they hate well established foods, it turns out they never actually had a good example.
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pete_dushenski: no doubt that normal canuckistani variants are commericialised sewage
pete_dushenski: i've had homemade whip cream and that would come the closest to being appealing
BingoBoingo: There's nothing better than a white, sausage breakfast gravy on a bed of hash browns
pete_dushenski: mayo and gravy, no chance
pete_dushenski: so i've had them homemade, but 'well' ? not to my standard
pete_dushenski: but whether that standard can be achieved remains an open question
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But what of the sausage in the grave. Experience that homemade as well?
cazalla: scoopbot fetch
pete_dushenski: cazalla: dash!
cazalla: pete_dushenski, bet it still won't work, ready..
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: maybe ?
cazalla: scoopbot -fetch
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/man-who-establishes-bounty-to-replace-vessennes-bitcoin-foundation-on-board/
assbot: Man Who Established Bounty to Replace Vessennes' Bitcoin Foundation on Board | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuXuWP )
cazalla: oops wrong one lol
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/
assbot: Olivier Janssens: Bitcoin Floundation Out Of Money, Hates Transparency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuXyFK )
pete_dushenski: hahahaha fucken derpheads
pete_dushenski: "Patrick Murck is trying to re-create a new Foundation just for core dev" << lolk
pete_dushenski: because mebbe 'just core dev' will bring in a gazillion coins. just like ethereum. i'm sure.
pete_dushenski: the redditards are out of coins.
pete_dushenski: anyone with 10 btc to their name is either here or keeping their mouths shut and their coins locked in a vault come hell or high water
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Or they are more blessed members of the DEA
pete_dushenski: "The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin." << or the lesson is, don't fuck with la serenissima ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know, the ones on the Silk Road investigation who cut their bosses in on their tricks
pete_dushenski: that's a theory
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Then again they probably fall into the keeping their mouths shut camp
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pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 << with six women that all the men somehow agree are 'well dressed'. not ideal.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086548 << how... convienient!
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 15:29:36; mircea_popescu: alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"
mircea_popescu: aww, check it out, scam foundation joins the long list of shit that failed to outlive mpex.
mircea_popescu: "That new director decided that the only way to still get funds at that point, was to focus solely on funding core development, in the hope that people would see that as a good cause. But people were smart enough not to trust the Foundation anymore. "
mircea_popescu: famously omitting to mention what actually happened. "people" right ? mmmkay.
mircea_popescu: manages to go though that entire bullshit without once mentioning vessenes and his criminal behaviour ?
mircea_popescu: nice try olivier, but it doth not wash. masquerading as a part of the solution while failing to credit the actual mechanisms and trying to use the banal shit to avoid discussing the important shit does not work.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> manages to go though that entire bullshit without once mentioning vessenes and his criminal behaviour ? << Too be fair he got in with Vessenes seemingly long gone
mircea_popescu: yaya.
mircea_popescu: the plan here being that "o hey, we'll get one of our shills to try and direct the public discussion"
BingoBoingo: But Derp still wants to hurp about continuing to feed Gavin
mircea_popescu: it does not wash. the difference between this muppet and the previous muppets is nil.
mircea_popescu: he wants to do what the usg typically does.
mircea_popescu: it does not wash.
BingoBoingo: Their stuff not only fails to wash, it also doesn't dry clean. The sort of cheap polyester the solvents melt.
mircea_popescu: myea.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this playbook is as old as fucking herbert hoover. "fuck up. then replace the guys that 'fucked up' with another guy, who is going to admit to what everyone knows while fail to mention what nobody wants to hear. he can pose as somehow 'different' for the public of imbeciles, and we can continue teaching the controversy"
BingoBoingo: Dude comes in as thing dies, promises to start new thing with the exact same form of the "dead" thing
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at reality ranch a) the foundation floundered because it managed to get mp to speak out against it. b) the only way to resolve this problem is with jail time for the speciffic names involved.
mircea_popescu: this at present includes vesseness, murck and that dumb broad.
mircea_popescu: and it will broaden as time passes.
cazalla: which broad? the asians or the jew
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of incredible (if you look at things rationally - otherwise if you look at things historically it's exactly expected) that two years later they are STILL TRYING to pretend like they don't have to come to terms.
mircea_popescu: as if attempt #795876 is going to fare better than 1 through 795875.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the jew.
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086833 << love this.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 18:02:51; mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3
pete_dushenski: let the fortune squirming commence!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00027414 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement/
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDKLQa )
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00027549 = 7.1352 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00027635 = 5.9277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00027025 = 11.837 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38289 @ 0.00027766 = 10.6313 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16377 @ 0.00027776 = 4.5489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93096 @ 0.00027783 = 25.8649 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;google "lasagna cell" battery
gribble: Beware the "Lasagna Cell": How Some Metals Can Ruin Your Meal ...: <http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_technique/non_reactive_containers_and_the_lasagna_cell.html>; Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion>; Lasagna cell - Encyclopedia - The Free Dictionary: <http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Lasagna+cell>
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00027809 = 3.5456 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck "marinates" in aluminum foil ffs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027 = 5.373 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Chemically Illiterate Middle America
mircea_popescu: why not wrap it in toilet paper ?
mircea_popescu: duct tape ?
mircea_popescu: or whatever, cardboard boxes, packaging peanuts, they're all consumer proucts after all ?
mircea_popescu: marinate in random item from packaging isle (tm)
BingoBoingo: They just do what TV and other "idea people" tell them
mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1128/btc-to-top-700-before-1st-july/#c4747 << gotta love logicians.
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cazalla: !up fortune501
cazalla: lol what ya doing vexual?
fortune501: same old
fortune501: et ou?
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cazalla: playing pillars of eternity
fortune501: never heard of it?
cazalla: came out last week, unfortunately its now the victim of game gate type shit
cazalla: gamer gate even.. apparently some transphobic shit had to be pulled http://kotaku.com/pillars-of-eternity-fan-text-changed-after-player-compl-1695608446
assbot: Pillars Of Eternity Makers Change Fan-Made Text After Player Complaints ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3bFm6 )
fortune501: sounds half decent
cazalla: ya ever play baldurs gate back in the day?
fortune501: yeah that prolly the last time i loaded a game
cazalla: similar type of game
cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/P7y58BY.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19XASD3 )
fortune501: you saw that game eh?
fortune501: whaddaya dual monitor now?
fortune501: big qntra bux, any income yet?
fortune501: alt tab cunt
punkman: http://kotaku.com/pillars-of-eternity-fan-text-changed-after-player-compl-1695608446 << "transmisogyny" such wordsmiths
assbot: Pillars Of Eternity Makers Change Fan-Made Text After Player Complaints ... ( http://bit.ly/19XCGfh )
fortune501: sounds faggoty
fortune501: and if i work out steam, ill have a cup of tea and a lie down
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fortune501: its quite obviously a suicide joke, but i get all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone
fortune501: if fucking a tranny is gonna give you nightmares, don't do it
fortune501: if someone writes a peom about it on a mmporg, let it ride
fortune501: kids should really learn usenet if they wanna internet
fortune501: anyway, im in
fortune501: what is it steam.com?
punkman: nope
punkman: !up fortune501
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Adlai: !up fortune501
fortune501: danke broski
Adlai: all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone << dunno bout that
fortune501: theres always more
Adlai: "fans" in the sense of those who watch from the sidelines, by definition, rarely participate in the festivities themselves
Adlai: we do lose the mvps though
fortune501: yes, but its a choice, so, let it be
cazalla: fortune501, see the lunar eclipse where you are atm?
fortune501: wait
fortune501: nah, roofies
fortune501: is it good?
fortune501: dont fuck near the rabbits
cazalla: can't get to binos without risking waking up the kid
fortune501: youll ruin the meat
fortune501: lol
cazalla: should've fkn got them out before he went to bed
fortune501: whereve ya rally bin?
fortune501: in jail
cazalla: view from my place anyway http://i.imgur.com/ROv6q2w.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5Z5T7 )
cazalla: what ya mean.. where have i been? in jail? lol nope
cazalla: though some might call it that
fortune501: its that old joke
fortune501: wheres your wheelie bin?
cazalla: never heard that one
fortune501: i dunno how to tell it, fucking google it
fortune501: giveus a cazalla venison
cazalla: got a bit of left over goat's leg that i slow cooked from the other night if ya keen
fortune501: ill eat b it
fortune501: your goat?
cazalla: no no, from the butcher, bit dry tbh
fortune501: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqnjYpwo1h8
assbot: ABC Black Comedy: Indigenous GPS - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5ZyVk )
cazalla: surprised they ran that given the ABC
fortune501: love me some biriyani
cazalla: all these abo cunts claiming they're abo when they're like 1/8 abo at best, doubt there are any full bloods left
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fortune501: 1/8 is pretty good odds
fortune501: prison island to well paid cock sucker in less than 200 years
cazalla: !up fortune501
cazalla: heh this one ain't bad, has the chick from neighbours too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33cPuwsY48
assbot: ABC Black Comedy: Black White Woman, Part 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y60poU )
fortune501: kylie?
fortune501: ah that one
cazalla: kylie might've been it when you watched it as a teenager, but brooke satchwell was it when i was that age :P
fortune501: cazalla:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Uh_16m6cI
cazalla: any good?
PeterL: good morning ya'all
cazalla: looks like abo ver of underbelly
fortune501: yeah
fortune501: morning peter
cazalla: this a movie or a series?
fortune501: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAhzVvgY-c mini series
assbot: Kylie Minogue - The Loco-motion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61mO9 )
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fortune501: abc failed series 2
PeterL: so, my lastest run-in with USG agents: the mailman doesn't like where my mailbox is. It is currently on the rail of my porch, he says I must instal a box on a post in my yard
fortune501: that cunt should check his priv
fortune501: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrfG9P6_D0 what have i become
assbot: Paul Kelly - To Her Door - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61BbZ )
dignork: PeterL: probably has to do with public/private property area
fortune501: fuck it, stepthru or step aside
PeterL: he claims it is for safety
dignork: or just lazy mailman
fortune501: asshole
PeterL: said there was too much ice where it was, but there won't be any more ice for another 6 months at least now that everything melted
fortune501: fail is no excuse
PeterL: the box used to be on the house itself, and I moved it to the porch rail so he wouldn't have to go up the steps, but apparently that isn't good enough, now I gotta go buy a post and dig a hole to stick it in
fortune501: who said it aint good enuff?
mats: always a good idea to humor the postman
PeterL: the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks
fortune501: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxn3LxlPZQ danke assbot
assbot: Kasey Chambers and Bernard Fanning - Bittersweet (Official Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6279Q )
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cazalla: PeterL, you need an aussie postman, this is how we deliver your shit mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhN5Hz9e0w
assbot: Postie's bike stunt fail - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y62gtS )
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fortune501: lol
Adlai: PeterL: so you're saying the next two weeks are critical™?
PeterL: yes, yes they are, he wants that box delivered
Adlai: can you order the new postbox by post?
Adlai: can the post deliver the post on which the post will be posted, post-post-posting?
PeterL: lol, probably
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PeterL: !up fortune501
fortune501: danke friend
fortune501: nueman
fortune501: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTxythHY09k
assbot: Norah Jones - Chasing Pirates - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y62PEg )
fortune501: you might find tansphobis isnt a thing
mats: what about transmisogyny?
fortune501: well, who fuxing cares really?
fortune501: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc
assbot: Johnny Cash - Hurt HD 720p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NP6j1h )
PeterL: anybody here follow basketball? My MSU Spartans made it to the final four again, should be a fun game tonight against Duke
mats: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation o_o
assbot: The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPbRsx )
PeterL: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/13-msu-students-charged-for-throwing-bagels-into-crowd-during-street-celebrations/
assbot: 13 MSU Students Charged For Throwing Bagels Into Crowd During Street Celebrations « CBS Detroit ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPbTAW )
PeterL: I wonder what they will burn if they win tonight?
mats: Oliver Janssen: "Core dev can no longer be funded by it, and Patrick Murck is trying to re-create a new Foundation just for core dev, because the current name is tarnished. Do not fall for this."
mats queues up mp's "i killed the bitcoin phoundation"
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nubbins`: morn
nubbins`: re: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/ ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha mis lados.
assbot: The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1xN4xtH )
nubbins`: asciilifeform did you get a static build of bitcoind on gentoo yet?
punkman: "Jim Harper and myself immediately put forward a vote to have the board meeting recorded. We followed Robert’s rules of orders, and everyone else basically shut us down and failed to follow procedures."
punkman: "If they would have been transparent then everyone would know there is no money left." well we already knew that
punkman: "A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year" << who's this Olivier dude that's gonna pay for Gavin out of his pocket
punkman: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/#entry13752 lolgavin
assbot: The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iy66vZ )
punkman: "I had an idealistic vision of the Foundation being a member-driven organization, but that never happened. Now would be a good time for you, the membership, to make me proud and come together and figure out a vision for the Foundation moving forward."
punkman: http://www.olivierjanssens.com/ hey at least there's gpg right there on the frontpage.
assbot: Olivier Janssens - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iy6lHi )
danielpbarron: height=311556 vs height=220376
nubbins`: asciilifeform fwiw if you apply instructions from my latest ML post, you'll get a 100% static bitcoind
nubbins`: danielpbarron getting closer!
nubbins`: heh i like this jannsens guy's style
punkman: yeah but if you still want to fund gavin, I'm thinking you're a spook
nubbins`: he doesn't know of anyone else to fund!
nubbins`: i just sent him an email
nubbins`: "TIL the Rolex watch company is run by not-for-profit charitable trusts. So after a certain amount of money goes to Rolex employees & the founding Rolex family, what remains is donated to charities. Some of these charities focus on watchmaking & some on HS education. Rolex founder was an orphan."
Chillum: "Rolex, for people with money but have not taken any effort at all to look into luxury watches!"
nubbins`: Rolex is the Bose of watches
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Chillum: so true
Chillum: I rock an Omega Speedmaster
Chillum: The only mechanical watch to be on the moon
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nubbins`: i rock a nothing
nubbins`: i hate being encumbered
nubbins` stopped carrying a wallet some years ago
Chillum keeps on rockin in a "free" world
nubbins`: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBoQWvfUkAALe8P.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWlt3x )
nubbins`: ha
mats: no idea what im looking at
Chillum: I don't get it either
nubbins`: magazine publishes "fashion dos and don'ts"
nubbins`: all the dos are white and all the don'ts are black
nubbins`: this is just a handful
Chillum: "Do be white..." "Don't be black"
nubbins`: pretty much
Chillum: sadly it is good advice
Chillum: depending on where you live
nubbins`: that's not advice
nubbins`: any more than "set the seas aflame" is advice :D
Chillum: both are advice, just not practical advice
Chillum: lots of advice is not actionable
nubbins`: i think it has to at least be /possible/ in order to qualify as advice
nubbins`: just mho
nubbins`: has anyone else attempted to compile with buildroot's cross-toolchain?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have not tried your patch yet. will get around to it soon.
asciilifeform: <nubbins`> he doesn't know of anyone else to fund! <<< ahahahahahaha l0l no.
asciilifeform: that is not the reason.
nubbins`: 8)
nubbins`: tried your ldd trick, it claims "not a dynamic executable"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: on what machine ?
nubbins`: gentoo amd64
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: i was quite unable to use anything but arch-arm's ldd for this.
nubbins`: o?
asciilifeform: aha.
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=z9pDGqMY
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWrAVn )
nubbins`: i'm still having some issues getting a sensible bitcoind built for the pogo w/ the buildroot toolchain
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement << neato
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWrVro )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what kind of issues ?
asciilifeform: (i recall it came up before, but my hands were full)
nubbins`: compiler complains about -m32 flag
asciilifeform: hmm
nubbins`: now i'd been using the release auto.sh with the cross-compile modifications from your pogotron auto.sh
nubbins`: what i'm gonna try next is your unmodified auto.sh
nubbins`: i'm sure it's just some mishmash of flags, building 32bit on 64
nubbins`: weird little gotcha sort of thing
asciilifeform: unrelated, but yesterday's experiment turns out to be a failure - constants of 25 and 10 both lead to oom somewhere north of 132K blocks
nubbins`: bummer
asciilifeform: beginning to suspect that valgrind isn't seeing the whole picture
asciilifeform: * Vexual is now known as marinateincaeram ... << mega-backchannel-lulz
nubbins`: for reference, there's a handful of buildroot toolchain options i've had to enable to get the bitcoind build past certain points: c++ support, ipv6 support, large file support, possibly also wchar and rpc support
asciilifeform: <PeterL> the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks << i was once excommunicated from the u.s. post for a few weeks. had tiny mailbox that would fill with spam over mere days when i left town. when full enough, long enough - excommunication
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ipv6 ?!?!?!!
asciilifeform: kill!
nubbins`: it complained!
asciilifeform: it -does not belong- in bitcoin
asciilifeform: wchar ?!
asciilifeform: kill!
asciilifeform: wtf
nubbins`: now in fairness i think specifically boost wanted most of these
asciilifeform: what is this nonsense.
asciilifeform: have you examined its config flags ?
nubbins`: boost is that big thing the weird brain guy from TMNT used to live in
asciilifeform: betcha you can de-wchar it
nubbins`: boost's? nope, it's on the list
nubbins`: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110225161210/villains/images/e/ec/Krang's_robot.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWuf1B )
nubbins`: i'd like to de-everything it
nubbins`: the squishy pink stuff in the middle is what we're actually using
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unfortunately satoshi's thing happens to be written -in- boost
asciilifeform: (it is arguably more of the language in the turd than cpp per se)
nubbins`: it's a framework beast, in other words
asciilifeform: it isn't removable
asciilifeform: if considering removal, might as well carry on with the ada rewrite.
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: avocado oil is amazing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform & wimc : so rms sez he never heard of libnss before, and can't even recall what it does.
mircea_popescu: foss seriously has a problem by now. and it is of the nature of alf's "fits in head" thing.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha.
mircea_popescu: it's not even fucking funny.
asciilifeform not surprised for a nanosecond.
mircea_popescu: and i don't believe the man is anything but 100% honest.
asciilifeform: i very much believe him.
mircea_popescu: this is why the nsa even exists still.
asciilifeform: honest - yes. but in a kind of self-imposed exile from worldly things.
asciilifeform: he had the option of 'becoming apolitical' (yes, sounds odd to use this phrase to describe rms, but it applies) - and he took it.
mircea_popescu: this is their charter. "our continued existence is a fortunate byproduct of the situation where nobody even knows what's in the boxes."
mircea_popescu: what do you eman by "apolitical" ?
mircea_popescu: am i apolitical ?
mircea_popescu: is linus ?
asciilifeform: rm is apolitical in precisely the sense mircea_popescu is not
asciilifeform: linus is close to getting there
mircea_popescu: is apolitical = "i don't give a shit about whatever your ideology may be" ?
asciilifeform: it means that if a pile of shit stinks too loudly he has the option of turning his nose and pretending it isn't there - and takes it
mircea_popescu: i don't see this actually describes either situation.
asciilifeform: linus either does not notice poettering (unlikely) or (more plausibly) does not give a damn
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct stance. why would he give a damn ?
asciilifeform: to smite the vermin ?
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mircea_popescu: this is an aesthetic consideration.
asciilifeform: do we kill mice, roaches, by pretending they aren't there ?
mircea_popescu: it can never be the proper purview of ethics.
mircea_popescu: (ie you can't tell anyone what to do out of their own aesthetic sense)
asciilifeform: well sure. so his aesthetics have a place for mice in his home.
mircea_popescu: in your home.
asciilifeform: aha precisely
asciilifeform: this is the difference.
asciilifeform: these mice tunnel through time and space.
mircea_popescu: the alternative (where he does things to your home) is eerily socialist.
asciilifeform: i see the mice, if we run with them, as inhabiting - his bakery
mircea_popescu: this argument i can see
mircea_popescu: but you must grant it's faint.
asciilifeform: i buy a loaf and therein are turds.
asciilifeform: at any rate rms distanced himself from the userland 'big picture' long ago, when 'hurd' was still a going concern
mircea_popescu: libnss is not userland.
mircea_popescu: it's c "core" in the sense that lo and behold, ruins linkability.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the traditional 'magisteria' are kernel-land and user-land
asciilifeform: not my terminology, but that of ancestors.
mircea_popescu: you can not statically link anything now.
mircea_popescu: this is kernel-land.
asciilifeform: but yes, compiler is infrastructure. and the bridges - are falling, falling down.
asciilifeform: (what would it take to get rms in here so i don't have to play archaeologo-psychiatrist on him ?)
mircea_popescu: im linking him.
chetty: well at least I know now why I have been unable to build a static Eulora
asciilifeform: !
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: you know for how long we had this problem ?
mircea_popescu: it never fucking occurerd to me, or to anyone else.
chetty: since this first day I took on Eulora ----
mircea_popescu: because it's just, for reasons that drive me very angry, something you think about.
asciilifeform: chetty: i will be -very- surprised if a static build of a proggy involving a 3d board is possible on linux or other extant os
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: most of them require a gnarly dynamic shim (opengl or otherwise)
mircea_popescu: "hey, if your program uses video, or the internet, you can't make it!"
mircea_popescu: "why tyvm!"
chetty: well it has the gnarly shim of opengl and still wont
mircea_popescu: no but that it can't link statically because it's what it is, like dns.
chetty: well after nextrelease I will go take the crowbar to it again ---
mircea_popescu: first we make the thing gpg.
asciilifeform: chetty: so it was not only opengl that was the barrier to static link ?
asciilifeform: in eulora
chetty: nope there is more, dont know what all, had to step away and work on other parts of it
chetty: I got as far as having it claim it built a static, but then it really wasn't and wouldn't run without the libs
asciilifeform: chetty: precisely where i ended up with 'portatronic bitcoind' - static-but-for-libc
asciilifeform: !s pseudostatic
assbot: 1 results for 'pseudostatic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pseudostatic
chetty: well seems I am in good company with this one anyway :)
mircea_popescu: !up whaack
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i cc'd you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, chetty, et al: in yet another - arguably inverted! - manifestation of The Problem, it appears that valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind!-
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: so no, you're not the only to have run it in anger.
asciilifeform: i can say with some confidence that there are leaks which -do not pertain to the bastardnodes mechanism- !
mircea_popescu: you're the first to publicly declare this ancient secret.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got the letter, yes.
whaack: ty, I've reached a point in my life where I can't stand working for VC money anymore. But I have an issue where I don't know of a better way to get bitcoins faster than milk a SF dev valley job and buy them with fiat. I've come for guidance on the issue
mircea_popescu: a number of people here are doing the same.
asciilifeform: whaack: let me know if you learn the answer to this one. it eludes me.
mircea_popescu: many people in the history of the world did a job that stank. eventually either the stench kills you or you make enough to no longer need it.
punkman: valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind << I'm guessing it's that custom allocator for some privkey data types
asciilifeform: punkman: not related to the privkey mechanisms (they are not active in my test rig.)
asciilifeform: whaack: at least get out of the deepest circle of hell. nowhere is it written that a programmer must live in sf valley.
mircea_popescu: maybe he likes the heat.
asciilifeform: 'taste the meat but not the heat'
whaack: asciilifeform: I'm actually in NYC, my job is just under the category of a "valley" job
whaack: and I'm actually planning on spending the summer in SF to check it out, I'm still in school taking a year off of MIT
asciilifeform: whaack: nyc is in the broad class of chumpatrons where the workers let virtually their entire post-tax pay go to the real-estate hucksters
punkman: asciilifeform: there's also a SecureString thing in there
mircea_popescu: yeah, the whole thing reeks of ms
asciilifeform: punkman: again in the wallet mechanism only.
asciilifeform: punkman: that code is not executing in my tests.
asciilifeform: punkman: my preliminary experiments point to the db.
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mircea_popescu: because, asciilifeform, the unpleasant fact of the matter is, satoshi was one of those.
asciilifeform: one of what ?
asciilifeform: ms victims ?
asciilifeform: indisputably.
mircea_popescu: i cant find the link in recent log
mircea_popescu: oh 1st april
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083740 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:27:21; asciilifeform: when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat'
asciilifeform: yeah - them.
mircea_popescu: yeah. him.
asciilifeform: i actually knew as much when first learned that bitcoin was heavy on the cppisms.
asciilifeform: folks who grow up outside of the winshitsphere tend to not do that.
asciilifeform: if they use cpp at all, it is as a cautious 'c with classes'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's outrageous, but hey. can you evaluate the time needeed to patch libnss into behaving correctly ?
mircea_popescu: ie, "no dynamic module loading, recompile or get lost" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my preliminary investigations, was not able to come up with a reasonable picture of what it'd take. similar to my vast underestimation of what it'd take to hammer bitcoind into sanity.
mircea_popescu: myeah. heard it twice this month.
mircea_popescu: buggers.
asciilifeform: the one saving grace is that i'm fairly certain we can shed libnss entirely from this project
asciilifeform: if we nix -all- invocations of dns
mircea_popescu: well for that side. yes.
asciilifeform: for that side.
gabriel_laddel: whaack: there are a few obvious ways to make btc atm
gabriel_laddel: - btc hosting (check logs)
gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/
assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKD30 )
gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto) ☟︎
assbot: Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKFIa )
gabriel_laddel: - gossipd (check logs)
mircea_popescu: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764680 << for added lulz.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can't speak for the fella, but i suspect that he is looking for a btc substitute for his day job. which is not likely to exist.
mircea_popescu: not in the same terms, at least.
asciilifeform: not in the customary 'keep showing up, you keep eating, hell or high water' terms
gabriel_laddel: Move to argentina, purchase pallets of rice + lots of steak. Code.
whaack: gabriel_laddel: such as?
mircea_popescu: you'd have to be insane to do that. you can buy pre-made "milanesas", cook them yourself, runs you a dollar a day or some shit.
gabriel_laddel: whaack: see the above logs
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: first launch satellite and persuade someone to peer net access to it, for you
mircea_popescu: (milanesa = breaded thin steaks, i dunno what you'd call it, snitzel ?)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: pardon?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: man does not live by steak alone.
mircea_popescu: schnitzel.
gabriel_laddel: ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you can't find cunt in argentina the problem is deeper than the sea.
asciilifeform: maybe i'm missing something
mircea_popescu: and yes man lives by steak and clams alone.
gabriel_laddel: My point is that food and rent are cheap if you go to the correct place. Also, if you're betting on btc taking over the world, bet on it.
gabriel_laddel: not that one /must/ do this, just an option
mircea_popescu: eh, let the man have his fil of teh us, he's young.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: almost invariably i find that something important is -not- cheap in such places where the food is cheap... but more power to you if you discover exception
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform become a *theoretical* physicist alf. pens & paper are cheap everywhere :D
asciilifeform: (example: what is the cost of inhabiting a free-standing building with mains current, temperature control, and good fiber net? free-standing at least to the extent that you can't hear screaming children, smell neighbours' shit, etc)
mircea_popescu: damned engineers and their insatiable hunger for rube goldberg items
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're willing to live with a woman, free. you have to find her.
asciilifeform: theoretical still needs to house library.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, about 2-500
asciilifeform: and buy quietspace
asciilifeform: (in that sense i often envy jurov his mechanical ear)
asciilifeform: ^ it comes with 'off' switch
mircea_popescu: i don't think he's too happy with it.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: We're not discussing you though. We're discussing whaack
gabriel_laddel: I understand your needs to some degree.
asciilifeform: must confess, i can't speak for him, yes
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason.
asciilifeform: 'who will speak of what, but the dog - of fleas', yes
asciilifeform: it is a kinda favourite of mine.
mircea_popescu: it's a slippery slope.
gabriel_laddel: Lol, this has been discussed so much I've actually a list of foods to bribe stas with
mircea_popescu: men not speaking of children has resulted in the current disaster.
gabriel_laddel: soviet cocolate
gabriel_laddel: sprats
mircea_popescu: sprats off of smallish natasha tits!
asciilifeform remembers to restock, has lately run short on sprat
gabriel_laddel: haha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'libnss-pgsql: maintainer address bounces' <<< l0l!!!
mircea_popescu: ru chicks, and especially small ru (ie, ukrainian) chicks grow tall, slender, and with this very specific b cup
mircea_popescu: just as much an ethnotype as the turkic heavy ass set.
mircea_popescu: (thick black hair - think kardashian, a fine specimen)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they managed to create the perfect fucking beast yo. a nsa package that ruins free and open software, nobody knows about and apparently nobody maintains or ever maintained.
mircea_popescu: "just one of those things". like rain, or the usg.
mircea_popescu: "google - is"
mircea_popescu: if there isn't another heartbleed in there, someone's been slacking on their job.
asciilifeform: there's definitely some leakage in there, at the very least
asciilifeform: and is anyone else suffering some indigestion at least from the 12 or so detectable instances of jumps-depending-on-uninitialized-values in -the wallet handling code- ?
asciilifeform: of bitcoind
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel anyway, i'll bet you i'll have him publicly recant his soviet chocolate cant. the chocolate here... o mai gawd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but we're not using the wallet code in 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: as ben_vulpes correctly intuited.
asciilifeform: me - no
asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich
mircea_popescu: this stuff specifically tho. but we see.
mircea_popescu: you recall how conference 2 had local champagne ? this will have local chocolate instead.
gabriel_laddel: $conference
mircea_popescu: im thinking one pound. because you shouldn't be able to put away more than that in a weekend.
asciilifeform: to the extent 'modern' walletrons are descended from what i'm seeing here...
asciilifeform: !up whaack
mircea_popescu: !up whaack
mircea_popescu: you should get in wot yo.
whaack: i've been working on it
mircea_popescu: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
whaack: i just got a new laptop (well a new old laptop) installed linux, took out wireless comm, and got a gpg key generated offline
gabriel_laddel: <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks
mircea_popescu: bbl
asciilifeform: !up whaack
whaack: ty
whaack: !rate asciilifeform 1 appears to be good at comp. security
assbot: You must be rated before you can rate.
nubbins`: asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk
nubbins`: american cadbury's chocolate... is made by hershey's/
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc - not for long
asciilifeform: nubbins`: kraft bought it.
nubbins`: :(
nubbins`: could this be the end of Jersey Milk bars?!
nubbins` stocks up on Fruit & Nut
nubbins`: compared to cadbury chocolate, hershey's is like dollar-store easter eggs
asciilifeform: kraft will make short work of cadbury.
nubbins`: i might have to switch over to Ritter Sport ☟︎
nubbins`: (also quite good)
asciilifeform: kraft would like the whole planet to join its 'feast of engineering' (TM)
whaack: so is http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets out of date? I just need to register with assbot, correct?
trinque: whaack: yeah, follow the register instructions here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot?s[]=assbot
trinque: er... there aren't instructions, just do the !register command
nubbins`: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/canadas-keeping-classic-cadbury-eggs-as-britons-fret-changes-to-recipe/article22548202/
assbot: While Britain scrambles its Cadbury egg recipe, Canada's keeping it classic - The Globe and Mail ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxZltP )
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins`: maybe there's hope after all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00028425 = 3.8658 BTC [-]
nubbins`: here's the shared libs that on darwin hauls in:
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0g5esJQs
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUnYCO )
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088404 << how's this coming, btw? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 17:40:43; gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto)
trinque: ben_vulpes: that's an *excellent* business idea
nubbins`: http://presschain.com/arrested-dea-agent-linked-to-bitcoin-foundation-chairman-peter-vessenes/
assbot: Arrested DEA Agent linked to Bitcoin Foundation Chairman, Peter Vessenes | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUozV8 ) ☟︎
trinque: nubbins`: I'm gonna need a cork board with pins and string at this point
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: are you working with buildroot from within a gentoo vm on your mac?
nubbins`: yes
nubbins`: hence the 3.5h compiles
ben_vulpes: dag.
ben_vulpes: is that to compile buildroot itself or using buildroot to compile linuxen?
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nubbins`: ah both
ben_vulpes: 3.5 apiece or summed?
nubbins`: summed
ben_vulpes: i see
nubbins`: that's to compile a cross-toolchain, and a kernel with rootfs
ben_vulpes: what are you using for virtualization? vagrant/virtualbox?
nubbins`: virtualbox
nubbins`: and various other things like uboot, w/e
nubbins`: anyway, this is all on a 7yo laptop
ben_vulpes: !s gentoo systemd
assbot: 19 results for 'gentoo systemd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo+systemd
nubbins`: so the poor vm has half of a core 2 duo and 4gb ram
nubbins`: i'm not using systemd
ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link ☟︎
nubbins`: let me find the guide i followed
trinque: ben_vulpes: you don't end up with systemd unless you ask for it
trinque: you get openrc by default
nubbins`: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page
assbot: Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUpmW1 )
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: pick your arch at the top and go ahead
nubbins`: like trinque says, you have to explicitly choose systemd
nubbins`: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Optional:_Using_systemd
assbot: Installing the Gentoo base system - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUptRm )
nubbins`: "The remainder of the Gentoo Handbook focuses on OpenRC as the default init support system. If systemd is wanted instead, or are planning to use Gnome 3.8 and later (which requires systemd), please consult the systemd page as it elaborates on the different configuration settings and methods."
trinque: gentoo has a concept of "profile" which sets a bunch of defaults in use flags, masks, etc
trinque: you'd have to choose a systemd profile which is not the default
trinque: you will in the default profile end up with systemd's udev though
trinque: lemme see what I did about that per asciilifeform's suggestion
trinque: sys-fs/udev in /etc/portage/package.mask
nubbins`: $ ls /etc/portage/package.mask/
nubbins`: libtool openrc perl
trinque: removed that, installed eudev
trinque: nubbins`: what are you masking related to openrc?
nubbins`: <sys-apps/openrc-0.13.0
nubbins`: <sys-process/procps-3.3.9-r2
trinque: you use sysvinit? or is that meant to keep you from getting an old version of openrc?
nubbins`: ah, i just followed the handbook
nubbins`: literally nothing customized
trinque: I haven't been through the handbook in a while
trinque: ben_vulpes: probably best to just do whatever's in that first, then blowtorch crud after you have a working system
ben_vulpes: blee
ben_vulpes: i guess today is gentoo quest
ben_vulpes sacrifices today on the altar of lizard hitler
nubbins`: have phun
ben_vulpes: nubbins`, trinque: any particular vintage of gentoo recommended?
nubbins`: i'm using latest, shrug
nubbins`: any tools you wanna use afterwards (e.g. vintage gcc etc) can be grabbed through portage
nubbins`: i don't know if there's any particular advantage to using an older version of the base os
trinque: ben_vulpes: there's no real concept of a "release" aside from the version of the base layout
trinque: ben_vulpes: is this for a VM or metal?
trinque: also I'd just go into it expecting that you'll emerge -avuDN @world over and over again
trinque: until you have the use flags and keywords you want
ben_vulpes: trinque: VM. no metal in this hobbit-hole not running macbsd.
trinque: yeah so probably defaults to start, then use flags.. all you're gonna need to worry about
trinque: ben_vulpes: what's your vm thing?
trinque: parallels?
nubbins`: you can's spell parallels without lels
trinque: nubbins`: I almost wrote parallols, haha
nubbins`: :D
trinque: https://github.com/regit/regit-config << might be helpful if it's virtualbox
assbot: regit/regit-config · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJvT5U )
trinque: though of course look over the config yourself and see if it's sane
trinque: or you can just genkernel it up and you'll end up with something that'll probably boot
nubbins`: woo buildroot finished
nubbins` attempts to cross-compile static bitcoind again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00029122 = 6.2904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00028875 = 6.1215 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000084.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQuTBZ )
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Process mem. stats from heathen pogo running ineffectual orphanage burner (max==5)
ben_vulpes: trinque: virtualbox
mats: http://www.fulltable.com/vts/f/fortune/xa/25.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQwbg9 )
nubbins`: "If you are making a web video, or a documentary, or a podcast and you're picking music to go with it, do me a favor and think to yourself "could this music be used in a bank commercial? Or a Target ad?" And if the answer is "yes" please pick something else."
mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg
ben_vulpes: so the 'static' build i produced on my deb 6 VM wasn't *truly* static, but claimed to be even though it dynamically linked into libnss on whatever system on which it ran successfully?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: and the bug discovered in gcc is that it *warns* about this but does not die when run with static compile flags?
mircea_popescu: the bug discovered in gcc is that it allows libnss to even be linked AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: in no way different from pulling in windoze.dll or anything else.
mircea_popescu: then rms has to catch hell about "not supporting lldb". how about you know, taking libnss the fuck out with a hot poker.
nubbins`: mp that quote was from the guy who did the bird books i've posted pictures of
mircea_popescu: "o but dns wouldn't work anymore" "fuck you"
nubbins`: ben_vulpes which libs does it dynamically link to?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he has the right idea, too much lazy thinking around.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu guy has 17(?) albums, he knows a thing or two
mircea_popescu: somehow you ended up in spamlist nubbins`
mircea_popescu: ah cuz link.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "linked at all" << (bear with my unsavvy, please) so gcc instructed to build statically should fail to link libnss because it dynamically links to system libs, but gcc instructed to build dynamicall should not fail under these conditions?
mircea_popescu: no. libnss should not be a package available at all;.
mircea_popescu: because it does not meet the criteria for what a package is.
mircea_popescu: !up SonjaEaton
SonjaEaton: Hello
mircea_popescu: hi.
ben_vulpes: what are the criteria for 'packagehood'?
mircea_popescu: and yes that means dns is not implemented. which it isn't, whether this kludge is available or not.
mircea_popescu: that it builds statically when instructed to build statically.
SonjaEaton: meow
mircea_popescu: and that the code is available.
SonjaEaton: mircea_popescu, meowmix
mircea_popescu: (if you think about it, you realise how "doesn't build statically" is === "code is not available")
SonjaEaton: down me!
ben_vulpes: because it does not come complete with everything required for it to run, and depends on state of local machine doing the compiling?
SonjaEaton: mircea_popescu, down me!
ben_vulpes: state including libs it needs to run?
SonjaEaton: down me!
SonjaEaton: down me!
SonjaEaton: down me!
mircea_popescu: because i can not understand what it does on the basis of what it is.
mircea_popescu: this is what the difference between us and them is.
SonjaEaton: down me!
SonjaEaton: down me!
SonjaEaton: down me!
SonjaEaton: down me!
ben_vulpes: hm.
nubbins`: !up SonjaEaton
ben_vulpes returns to gentoo quest
ben_vulpes: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%21up+bagels7 << also lol dpb's got a crush
assbot: 51 results for '!up bagels7' - #bitcoin-assets search
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NuPxjdSL
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6z3iL )
SonjaEaton: i said DOWN ME
nubbins`: getting hundreds of these
SonjaEaton: bitcoin sucks
mircea_popescu: it really takes some expert minds to get numeric computing to this point where numbers are a problem in themselves.
SonjaEaton: ioewjroiwejroiwej riwje riow jeroijw e
SonjaEaton: i love you mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: also, check out south africa! http://moejackson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/th_natasha-barnard.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyRBrJ )
SonjaEaton: mircea_popescu, ho
MeowMix: does anyone use gentoo
ben_vulpes: hola pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: heya ben
danielpbarron: MeowMix, where are you located? you have a hostmask that is near me i think
MeowMix: danielpbarron, vermont
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.0002887 = 9.5127 BTC [-] {2}
MeowMix: yawn
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088185 <<< he uses it too, responded to my email enquiring if it was him that posted it
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 14:11:25; punkman: http://www.olivierjanssens.com/ hey at least there's gpg right there on the frontpage.
mircea_popescu: incidentally cazalla, how about an interview with burtw ?
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087358 << check out all the sweet latin proverbs!
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 23:06:15; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEPnAGZLyE << proper uncut version
mircea_popescu: i for one am kinda curious to hear what it's like to be one of the usg cattle that actually got the knife.
cazalla: i'll see what i can do
mircea_popescu: :)
pete_dushenski: latin proverbs: for impressing friends and making brain work. double win!
mircea_popescu: you know who he is, the law abiding middle class type that got raped by usg because hey, socialism has no middle class.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082084 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 05:40:11; mircea_popescu: "The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $2
cazalla: i think the guys blog details what a nightmare its been for his family
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski amusingly, the "pes sic tendatur ne lodix protereatur" one doesn't seem to be known in english
pete_dushenski: it's 'live within your means' from my reading
pete_dushenski: ya ?
mircea_popescu: "cut your jacket by the cloth you have available"
pete_dushenski: sort of 'known in english' but not practised so much
nubbins`: re: all those errors
nubbins`: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2011-August/045039.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyU2up )
pete_dushenski: when cheap credit abounds, it's almost anti-social to live within your means
pete_dushenski: which in itself is quite funny that being 'social' so closely relates to be 'socialist' for esl world
mircea_popescu: when cheap credit abounds being antisocial is a moral imperative.
mircea_popescu: hence <nubbins`> "If you are making a web video, or a documentary, or a podcast and you're picking music to go with it, do me a favor and think to yourself "could this music be used in a bank commercial? Or a Target ad?" And if the answer is "yes" please pick something else."
ben_vulpes: so it needs to be a 32 bit vm to compile pythongs for arm?!
nubbins`: i don't think bitcoind needs python, i think it's just compiling EVERYTHING in boost
pete_dushenski: morality: quod licet iovi, non licet bovi.
nubbins`: but yes, on 32-bit machine this apparently doesn't happen. might be workaroundable
pete_dushenski: to take another proverb from 'icarus' short
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: how would one go about determining what parts of boost weren't needed and then compiling boost without those bits?
nubbins`: \o/
ben_vulpes: ya me either
nubbins`: it's on the list
mircea_popescu: putcha arms in da air like you jus dun care...
trinque: chop one, compile, chop another, compile...
trinque: ben_vulpes: for python.. ./bootstrap.sh --without-libraries=python
trinque: and also --without-python to the bjam step
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDrze-T4A1Y
assbot: Cameo - Word Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyUWHe )
nubbins`: oo ty
mircea_popescu: the 90s. so fucken broken in retrospective.
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: i think stylistically the 20s looked just as broken in 1935.
mircea_popescu: orwell seems to think so at any rate.
nubbins`: sknxxxxxx you need to enable stack protection in buildroot toolchain
nubbins` starts over
mircea_popescu: !up whaack
mircea_popescu: !rate whaack 1 New blood
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088495 << that's prolly the only supermaket chocolate brand that's edible. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 18:28:03; nubbins`: i might have to switch over to Ritter Sport
whaack: http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30824-Jack-Nicholson-Creepy-Nodding-t5bI.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6BlOT )
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: hopefully you're taking notes
mircea_popescu: whaack now you can self-up. try it.
mircea_popescu: !down whaack
mircea_popescu: nubbins` /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib << wtf is zlib doing in there ?!
mircea_popescu: /usr/local/lib/gcc/4.9/libgcc_s.1.dylib << for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088514 << you don't say. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 18:51:06; assbot: Arrested DEA Agent linked to Bitcoin Foundation Chairman, Peter Vessenes | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUozV8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27336 @ 0.00029122 = 7.9608 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " As you may recall, there was public outcry during the fall of Mt. Gox as to why the Bitcoin Foundation “never once warned Bitcoin investors about keeping deposits in Mt. Gox, despite clear red flags dating back to at least April 2013"
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088535 << this should srsly be in the b-a wiki. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 18:59:06; ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link
trinque: mircea_popescu: instructions amount to "don't install it" plus eudev not udev
mircea_popescu: whatever they are. should be there.
mircea_popescu: wd.
whaack: ty :)
nubbins`: ;;google gentoo handbook
gribble: Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki: <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page>; Handbook:AMD64 - Gentoo Wiki: <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64>; Gentoo Linux amd64 Handbook: Installing Gentoo - Gentoo Wiki: <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation>
nubbins`: ^ there's yr instructions
mircea_popescu: still should be a b-a wiki page.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol @ vessenes. another cv bullet point eh
nubbins`: it's per-architecture, and like 10+ pages each
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im just saving it to be really smug at mike_c later on, because he was really mindboggled by the entire "usms fraud" thread a while back.
nubbins`: but yes, should be at least smth on wiki
mircea_popescu: memory hole effect. somehow while we clearly see how stupid Xi is, it doesn't end up taring the whole of X equally.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: heh. he does get mindboggled on some, uh, unique things
pete_dushenski: qntra share value/market cap also comes to mind
mircea_popescu: i get it tho, it just didn't compute.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00029122 = 2.4754 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: but of course, someone has to be skeptical
mircea_popescu: anyway. so much to feel smug about ima going to have some people do it for me.
nubbins`: finishing off the last of this amazing dry calabrese
pete_dushenski: even if just for the benefit of log readers
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no homo ?
nubbins`: no homo
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dat delegation
mircea_popescu: cause you know... when all you eat is sausage...
nubbins`: popsicles & bananas too
Adlai: impossible to create bitbets with a resolution further than one year!?
nubbins`: have a "hot hungarian salami" that i'm gonna dig into next, caught my eye because pkg said "no refrigeration required"
nubbins`: and NONE of the dry sausage mfg's are brave enough to state this
Adlai wanted to create "Vessenes Foundation Outlives Obama Administration"
mircea_popescu: Adlai myeah. was either a year or two. why, what did you have in mind ?
mircea_popescu: if you're willing to seed it significantly it may be hand made.
Adlai: what's "significantly"?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` properly made salami is fine w/o fridge.
nubbins`: oh, no doubt. it's just exceedingly rare for a supermarket sausage to actually say this
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: Adlai one of those "if you gotta ask..."
Adlai: myeah
Adlai: well at least it's in the logs now, maybe a sportsman lurker will pick this up
mircea_popescu: even without that, messy bet. what's "outlives" ?
Adlai: bankrupcy, dissolution, or impeachment
mircea_popescu: bfl still lives ? how about bcst ?
Adlai: yes, no.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: the difference is exactly arbitrary.
Adlai: and the debate is exactly theoretical, because i hadta ask
Adlai: i guess it's more practical than theoretical, but still hypothetical
nubbins`: yearlong bets are yawners
mircea_popescu: "a bitcoind (pseudo-static, portatronic, orphanage-burner patch with max-bastard constant value of 5 running on pogo, heathen linux.)" << i lelled.
mircea_popescu: soon we'll have names for this thing like spanish nobility.
nubbins`: i've begun keeping a glossolalia glossary
nubbins`: just so i can keep track of what the convo is about
mircea_popescu: Pablo, Diego, José, Francisco de Paula, Juan Nepomuceno, Maria de los Remedios, Cipriano de la Santisima Trinidad Ruiz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35999 @ 0.00029122 = 10.4836 BTC [+]
nubbins`: reading the logs is like reading cien anos de soledad
nubbins`: "/which/ arcadia buendias is this again?"
mircea_popescu: except it actually takes 100 years, of solitude.
nubbins`: ^^
mircea_popescu: i dunno why alf's so worried about prison.
nubbins`: love in the time of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: he'll finally have time to find the penultimate bug in bitcoin-donut-core
nubbins`: bitcoin timbit
mircea_popescu: then a passing ant can salute his grave
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: timbit < lel
pete_dushenski: for those who don't know, this is what canadians call a 'donut hole'
mircea_popescu: what version control when you have ongregatio de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum references ready ?
pete_dushenski: the tim hortons franchise has 'kleenexed' this pastry
nubbins`: tim hortons is terrible
pete_dushenski: and water's wet.
pete_dushenski: and bitcoind is a mess.
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088486 << cadbury's is using less 'food' than ever, related: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 18:26:15; nubbins`: asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk
assbot: The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C27AdS )
pete_dushenski: this is exactly mr. fortunederp's "we never said it was the original source"
pete_dushenski: if cadbury is willing to throw their biggest market under the bus, smaller markets like canada aren't far behind.
ben_vulpes: under the bus?
mircea_popescu: the problem with command economies is that there's no market.
ben_vulpes: it's just a new milking.
mircea_popescu: cadbury produces for ^H^H^H at hte government's pleasure.
mircea_popescu: it will make brown polyester almonds if that's what gets it the sweet sweet qe paper.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: sewers them, poisons them, kills them
ben_vulpes: i'm just a wee confused at the notion that there's some sort of relationship between cadbury and its 'customers' that cadbury is 'throwing under the bus'.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ben_vulpes: "there are a number of reasons why a large proportion of Gentoo users choose to configure their kernels manually:"
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: "4. the learning experience,"
ben_vulpes: "5. severe boredom,"
ben_vulpes: mhm.
pete_dushenski: re: cadbury, i'll grant that 'throwing under the bus' implies that the customer's reputation is being damaged
pete_dushenski: i agree that consumers have expectations, not reputations
pete_dushenski: perhaps simply 'poisoning' would've sufficed
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mircea_popescu: not the point. the point is that cadbury has the same relationship with random derp buying chocolate as pharma company with random derp taking pills.
mircea_popescu: pharma sells to doctors, and is paid by government.
mircea_popescu: cadbury sells to "institutions" aka govt agencies, and is paid by same way.
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006235.0
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nubbins`: ^ woodcollector talking to himself
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha.
pete_dushenski: the government being a customer but not 'a customer' means that it doesn't care about quality in the same way, just quantity
pete_dushenski: which ties back into the earlier discussion about inflation being 15%, not 3%
mircea_popescu: it cares about what the junseth dude was talking about. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087623 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 01:41:41; junseth: RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different.
mircea_popescu: ie, "fair metrics". if it can be called chocolate so they tick off whatever thing in some paperwork.
mircea_popescu: "chocolate delivered to troops fighting in eurasia"
mircea_popescu: it can be made out of thinned out air for all they care.
pete_dushenski: as long as the press release says "happy troops appreciate reminders of home"
mircea_popescu: heck, the solution of renaming the homeless to "Solve" "the homeless problem" is exactly cosubstantial with how command economies "solve problems".
mircea_popescu: "we have 500 people and 200 fish" "cut fish open, insert 2.5x time their weight of dirt, sew back together"
pete_dushenski: which they do, and since it's been so long since they've had anything resembling chocolate, the imitation stuff works
mircea_popescu: none of this being in any sense a market.
mircea_popescu: as long as we're ticking off words off wordlists we might not even bother with the industry at all.
mircea_popescu: sit all day in starbucks and derp about "technologee"
mircea_popescu: which is what's happening exactly.
pete_dushenski: this is 'the service economy'
pete_dushenski: or 'post-industrial'
mircea_popescu: what is the market ? look at all these two bit "serial entrepreneurs" with their constant start-ups. how often is the news item "previous start-up of X did something" vs "new start-up of X got so many in lolfunding from a) people who wish to be in this press release and b) people he owes money to from the past, and we're not mentioning that past" ?"
pete_dushenski: in a nutshell that's made from lab-modified nuts
cazalla: i live 5 min from an aussie cadbury factory, you'd think you'd be able to smell whatever they make there but nothing
mircea_popescu: the recent derpology wtf was it called perfect example
mircea_popescu: lemme fish it out
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1087331 <<< that thing consists of exactly nothing past the name, there's no value to be created out of the plan exposed. much like "bitcoin embassies in argentina" or the rest of the plowing flies bs. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 22:30:07; jurov: "Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, silbert is a guy who wants to get his name associated with the space, ver is a meanwhile broke dude who imagines that if he keeps being mentioned he stays relevant, as if, and voorhees just wants to keep his name in the press lest people forget.
mircea_popescu: well, not the sort of people liable to go "hey, what ever became of the coinapult / feedzebirds / whatervs".
mircea_popescu: !up whoopX2
mircea_popescu: ethereum through and through "technologees" you can't even short because nobody actually bought. because no actual market, because no actual anything there.
pete_dushenski: and now the 'crowdfunding' cap is 50 mn bezzlars because the command economy doesn't do nickels and dimes worth a shit
mircea_popescu: so... yeah k, markets are efficient. anglosphere hasn't seen a market in many decades, if indeed it did this century.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski and amusingly, this is a very indicative symptom of the problem. if "inflation didn't exist" and all this created value, people would care as much about 10 bucks now as 50 years ago. hey, it's a lunch.
mircea_popescu: but THAT is the true measure of inflation : what VCs find "not worth their time".
mircea_popescu: back when this shit was starting, late 70s/early 80s, a VC partner needed to keep an eye on about 500k - 1mn worth of equity.
mircea_popescu: by now, 50mn is really too low, 100mn more like it.
mircea_popescu: that is (AGAIN!!!) 100x.
mircea_popescu: goes splendidly with the 100x i extracted from real estate and the 100x i extracted from education.
mircea_popescu: and it would go exactly with the exact same 100x you'd get looking at health care.
mircea_popescu: fact is, for the past half century, inflation was about 10`000% total.
mircea_popescu: that's a little over 20% per annum.
pete_dushenski: so if your investments are yielding 20%... you're getting assfucked
pete_dushenski: aren't*
mircea_popescu: no. not at all.
mircea_popescu: if your investmentrs aren't yielding 20% WHILE YOUR POLITICAL CLOUT IS YIELDING 20%!!!
mircea_popescu: if you don't get 100 senators for every senator you had in 1965, you're behind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00028076 = 6.9348 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: conceivably you have to make well over 50% per year to keep up with the bureaucracy inflation that always doubles paper money inflation in a command economy.
pete_dushenski: that sounds... tricky.
pete_dushenski: to yield 50%+ that is
pete_dushenski: buffett did what, 15% per annum over that period
mircea_popescu: which is why (in another, financial-based formulation) the whole shebang's approaching event horizon.
mircea_popescu: specifically because math is math, and the thing can't even keep up with itself.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: buffett is a success story in the sense that he managed, with skill and persistence, to get fleeced LESS than anyone else.
mircea_popescu: part of this is his complete neglect of investing in politics, which is why as a senile old man he's writing blanket checks to the government.
mircea_popescu: "i support america because if i didn't, you'd just take it all anyway like putin took X's. I'm no Soros."
pete_dushenski: whereas soros flew the coop ?
pete_dushenski: or just diversified out of hungary or w/e
mircea_popescu: well, one can maintain an independent position
mircea_popescu: (iirc he's still wanted on "tax evasion", which is pretty much the highest accolade of personal achievement the empire can bestow on any free individual)
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: when building your gentoo kernel did you use menuconfig, and if so did you run into errors along the lines of "the cpu you selected does not support the x86_64 instruction set"?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'iron cross'
pete_dushenski: !up julmac
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i'm basically just walking the list of processor types in make menuconfig
ben_vulpes hacks gems out of the temple walls
nubbins`: what page of the handbook are you on
pete_dushenski: julmac: and who might you be ?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes actually i think i used genkernel.
nubbins`: bit heavy but w/e
ben_vulpes: well now i'm wondering if i even got the right stage 3
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Kernel
assbot: Handbook:X86/Installation/Kernel - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzP031 )
nubbins`: which stage3 did you download
ben_vulpes: >.<
ben_vulpes: i686
mircea_popescu: lolk
ben_vulpes sighs
trinque: ben_vulpes: make sure it all matches what you specified when you made the vm too
nubbins`: heh
ben_vulpes: http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/ << what am i not understanding about why there is no "64" on that page at all
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQ2Mo )
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQGcT )
trinque: up from there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00028394 = 7.7232 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: on the page you're looking at, the various ?86 builds are referring to different compiler optimizations used, different libc, or security features being kicked on
trinque: but all for the 32bit x86
trinque: vs they consider amd64 to be a separate architecture entirely
ben_vulpes: that's a spectacular derping on my part i suppose
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, i think i found the x86_64 stuff
trinque: meh, it depends on how you slice it; they chose that way
ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321313 << "i don't get a say in this new world order and that sucks!"
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mircea_popescu: awwww.
mircea_popescu: "The difference is, the people whose behavior would be controlled have no say in changing those economic assumptions. "
mircea_popescu: check it out, derps catching on to trilema cca 2012.
mircea_popescu: "Why does that matter? Because people have a right to democratic institutions. People have a right to vote on or have a say in matters that govern their lives. Bitcoin, as it exists now, takes that away from people."
mircea_popescu: no, they do not.
mircea_popescu: they had A CHANCE and they fucked it up.
mircea_popescu: that party ends here.
trinque: the knucklehead's from Oregon, represents well the prevailing attitude
ben_vulpes: trinque: how'd you figure that?
mircea_popescu: somewhat related, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3dfaf384998a278f67e6bb5c52b52143/tumblr_nlknpppJDw1txazkmo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzRlec )
trinque: ben_vulpes: he mentions it in another comment
mircea_popescu: trinque he can represent anything he wants lol.
mircea_popescu: this idea that most people "should" get a say in what happens to them... dude, if you do that, the same most people go "hey, i don't want to be bothered reading 548958609 pages of tax code, to then go have a hanging party for the govt that made it".
mircea_popescu: "but we only want a say in the things we want a say in and only for the part we want to say something" "yeah well that's not how this works"
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean, i can't own a pet only for the portion where i wanna play with it, but not for the portion where i have to feed it and clean its cage ??!?!" "exactly"
mircea_popescu: "so you mean to tell me now i don't get a say into how the world works anymore, because back when i got the benefit of the doubt all i could do was being an idiot on reddit ?" "exactly"
trinque: the relevance of the tumbler pic gets clearer and clearer
mircea_popescu: "BUT NOBODY TOLD ME THIS WILL HAPPEN!!!1" "mp did"
mircea_popescu: "i never read it!!11"
mircea_popescu: "so ?" "i never agreed to this!111"
mircea_popescu: "how about you go be a transsexual/gender confused/derpopotamus about Bitcoin TOO, then"
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mircea_popescu: in other news... "push your tits in the air like you jus' dun care..." http://36.media.tumblr.com/6e68fceefb3b8978db736a6c94d17028/tumblr_na1pvuWFRh1tonrdjo3_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7bQha )
pete_dushenski: guy by the door... doesn't care.
mircea_popescu: trinque essentially what it boils down to is the proposition that the underclass does not agree the elite should have the right to opt out whatever redistribution system they come up with.
mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous on the face, of course, but hey. if they understood things they wouldn't be underclass.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00028423 = 9.9481 BTC [+]
Adlai: well the french revolution did happen... or was it organized by the new elite who got sick of wannabelite underclassmen-in-king's-clothing?
Adlai: in other words: a sufficient number of underclassmen armed with pitchforks (or AK47s) can ruin an upperclassman's day
trinque: mircea_popescu: this brings back to mind what you said last night about making a clear distinction between natural law and the purpose-driven "regulation" of human societies. I'm not in a position to well articulate this, so I'll just barf this: it seems the HN commenter in question is simply not in touch with reality, and there is nothing forcing him to be, neither nature nor someone in charge of
trinque: him.
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Adlai: he's in touch with "his reality", by which i mean, the reality of the society in which he operates. that society might be out of touch with realreality, but that doesn't require the inside of the bubble to see what's without.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: french revolution is indeed a good tale of the hidden power structure (french bureaucracy) toppling the figureheads.
ben_vulpes: de toqueville wrote about it at length - 'the old regime and the revolution' was the title of the translation i read
Adlai: the [fake plastic] tree of liberty must be from time to time refreshed with the blood of scapegoats
trinque: going further, it stands to reason that neither most nor many men can produce a model of reality that works, in that it deals with risk well and identifies reward
ben_vulpes: using only a single model is a risky move itself.
Adlai worries less about production than recognition / recollection
trinque: sure, but there's a model which says compare the output of various models
ben_vulpes: "ah ah, mister! you can't get me that easily! it's models all the way out!"
trinque: hahaha
nubbins`: ha
trinque: in the head of a human, it most certainly is
ben_vulpes: models to model other people's models
ben_vulpes: https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/there-is-only-awe/ << jaynes, relevant.
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nubbins`: so if there's a model that contains models of all the models
nubbins`: and it contains a model of itself
ben_vulpes: maxwell's demon?
ben_vulpes: nah.
ben_vulpes: nevertheless, minor errors in the models will compound.
ben_vulpes: "you can't model the universe with anything short of a universe."
nubbins`: i was going for russell's paradox but zzzz
trinque: nubbins` | so if there's a model that contains models of all the models << nobody's head has a complete model of anything
trinque: so yeah in the abstract infinite regress right?
nubbins`: "complete model" doesn't really make sense
trinque: what's the issue with saying some people have better strategies for interacting with reality than others?
trinque: +nubbins` | "complete model" doesn't really make sense << thought I said that
Adlai: "complete model" = copy of thing that's being modelled, optionally with the ability to diddle, reset, etc
nubbins`: trinque i mean in the general sense :D
nubbins`: where's the thing, uh
nubbins`: http://www.legiontheory.com/realms.html
assbot: Realms ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5LuO )
nubbins`: pogotron people interested in trimming boost down: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_49_0/tools/bcp/doc/html/index.html
assbot: BCP - 1.49.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5S9K )
trinque: They interact with an internal model of the external world – the realm primus – and interpret this interaction as experience of the “real world”. << yeah, and for some people that realm involves jesus and satan, others republicans and democrats
trinque continues to read
nubbins`: trinque +1
nubbins`: that's the middle chapter
nubbins`: site's worth bookmarking, interesting *cough* model
trinque: haha, yeah looks very interesting; thank you
Adlai is a little suspicious of the presentation screaming "we are crackpots! real scientists hate us!"
nubbins`: was shared here a while back
nubbins`: Adlai +1!
ben_vulpes: don't worry Adlai, nubbins` filters the true crackpots out
trinque: I'm a crackpot so w/e
nubbins`: but everybody who studies the nature of consciousness is a crackpot
nubbins`: whether professionally or on their own time
nubbins`: one-way ticket to the bughouse