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cazalla: anyone able to recommend wiki software?
mike_c: why not just use the b-a wiki? It already has limited editors.
mike_c: unless it's meant as seo fodder for qntra i guess.
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cazalla: mike_c, that is specific to #b-a moreso than Bitcoin in general isn't it? and anyway, if i pursue this by myself in the short-mid term, it'll reflect on me instead of b-a website
mike_c: it is specific to bitcoin assets, yes :) History of bitcoin companies seems appropriate. But I think it mostly depends on how much help you want.
mike_c: If you want a bunch of people to contribute, the wiki is there. If you basically want to do it yourself, then sure, put it wherever.
mike_c: It certainly would tie in with qntra.
mircea_popescu: it could work as a wiki or as a category on qntra i ugess.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: is it that hard to imagine that nsa doesn't need the manufacturers' text source to backdoor their drives!? << PC9000
Adlai is too busy doing the victory dance to look this up... he now has two scalpls running in the same lisp image and they're not stepping on eachother's toes
Adlai: last time i tried this, with a financier watching over my shoulder, his bot trod on mine, and after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, both irrevocably crashed... that was nearly 5 months ago. now it's working flawlessly :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55889 @ 0.00044511 = 24.8768 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: that netagio closing is amusing. I wonder what the real story behind it is
decimation: " Market share of Bitcoin trading globally continues to mirror Bitcoin adoption stages, with China leading the way with 67%, the US capturing 27% of all Bitcoin trading, the EU following with 2.5% and the UK with a stagnating 0.25%, mostly as a result of a lack of regulatory guidelines and UK banks withdrawing banking support from British Bitcoin businesses."
decimation: if those numbers are correct, I wonder why europe is so low?
mircea_popescu: mostly the result of shitty regulation environment and uk people being idiots.
mircea_popescu: decimation europeans are by and large exactly like usians, ie, monolinguistic.
mircea_popescu: with the added disadvantage that they speak obscure languages
decimation: the goldmoney people (who invested in netagio) seem to know what they are doing
decimation: 'monolinguistic' in the sense that their opinion was fixed by harvard ca. 1945?
mircea_popescu: tbh, that 67/27/2.5/0.25 thing pretty much exactly matches the map of real gdp
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense that they simply do not know what happens if it wasn't written in hungarian
decimation: I thought that most germans and french spoke english at least
mircea_popescu: at least if you mean "most of the people makin > 250k and living in a big city"
decimation: but this very parochialism is why bitcoin ought to be attractive
decimation: 'maybe people outside hungary will use this new trade coin'
decimation: well, at any rate I give the netagio people credit - they unwound in an orderly way when the business wasn't working out
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mircea_popescu: i actually walked by there, in the middle of teh night maybe a month or two ago ?
mircea_popescu: i still don't see the wisdom of allowing diddling of firmware via data bus.
BingoBoingo: Reflashing firmware is one of those things that should require a goat sacrifice. Fort Mead would smell better.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No particular reason. Makes Data recovery stuff easier with PC9000. Also creates a market for that kind of data recovery when firmware makes drive shit the bed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00044645 = 15.3579 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: re: diddling firmware via data bus << in band signaling strikes again
decimation: of course, the drive manufacturers couldn't put a switch or toggle on the front of the computer
decimation: in a similar way that allowing the user to enter their own cryptography via a separate front panel would be wrong
BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller
decimation: hell I bet some of them have a flash chip sitting there
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller << Once again PC9000. Russian product that basically lets anyone who can understand the interface su all over the hdd firmware.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87744 @ 0.0004482 = 39.3269 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: there are many ways to map machine code to assembly to pseudo-c
decimation: I would like to get a collection of 'chip clips'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: connect a ttl-to-serial voltage converter to the convenient debug pins, and have at it << PC9000 largely valued because drive plugs in to IDE or SATA ports in this ISA/(hopefully there's a PCI version by now) card. Boot to card. Diddle at leisure with curses interface. Most operations automated already.
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think the best method would be to semi-permanently attach a lead to an smt chip pin? I tend to ruin the pad by soldering
decimation: I wonder if there's like a little mini-clamp that you can affix to a pin
BingoBoingo: So OpenBSD 0.7.2 qt build 17 hours without an OOM kill (returned to 512MB process limit a while back) Presently a June 15th, 2013. Seems the space for bastards to be introduced has shrank enough to make bastards moar manageable.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: what's the goal of running multiple bots in the same lisp image?
Adlai: remember, my "server" is a thinkpad ca 2002, so every cons counts
ben_vulpes: re: bastards, has anyone experimented with the number of blocks requested?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90850 @ 0.00043356 = 39.3889 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: 'tis another knob to turn. if instead of rewriting the bastard storage mechanism, one could leverage the network protocol to reduce the number of bastards per wad sent over the wire, it might alleviate some pain.
BingoBoingo sad Tadpole laptops still sell for effectively $maxint
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One Uni I attended at last visit earlier this year still has lab full of its wimpier contemporary
BingoBoingo: That lab "engineering building Floor one at SIU Carbondale, forget which wing" still solaris lab. I like the hardware though for "lives forever" and other unixen run fine
BingoBoingo: Connects on campus have yet to send the flag and since on every visit lab still intact I assume they aren't slacking
BingoBoingo: Quest for "real-ish computer" which can handled contemporary amounts of RAM and HDD space is arduous search
BingoBoingo: More RAM makes Electrum server more feasile. Not to run the server for the wallet mind you, but because of the queryable database of blockchain data.
decimation: "asciilifeform doesn't see the appeal of closed source unixen" << I see the appeal of actual people maintaining a unix, closed or open
Adlai: somehow git gets by without an in-memory index, i wonder how!
decimation: not anymore, but in its day it sorta was
Adlai: ( `ls .git/objects` reveals how)
decimation: although the rumor I heard back then was that most of the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending their working days trying to unravel the gordian knot of kernel locks
decimation: asciilifeform: also, the 'spiritual heir' of solaris is maintained by those 'joyent' people
BingoBoingo: Shame the solaris 10 with the SMF turd introduced was the only "open" one and likely inspired so many systemdevaintisms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54942 @ 0.00043273 = 23.7751 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: asciilifeform: the concept of a closed design chip is dead forever too
BingoBoingo: <decimation> although the rumor I heard back then was that most of the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending their working days trying to unravel the gordian knot of kernel locks << But as an Oracle turd they can now break whatever they want in the name of handling one database faster.
Vexual: Im not melting silcon in mine.
Vexual: Aluminum was bad enough
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So killed Dbus this weekend on my OpenBSD install. Only thing asking for DBUS when invoked is Emacs, works fine without DBUS though.
decimation: I'm surprised dbus comes with openbsd at all
BingoBoingo: Mtier = Golden toilet company that sells exportable installs of desktop systems for oil rigs et al makes Gnome a centerpiece of their OpenBSD desktop solution.
decimation: I don't get the general preference for gnome over kde
BingoBoingo: I don't understand either. XFCE straddles the line of minimum/maximum desktop I can tolerate given my small screen size and clumsy fingers keeping me off of leaner solution.
Vexual: smaller bubbles whip the cream
BingoBoingo: My interface requirements consist of works on 11.6" screen and useable past ETOH LD50
Vexual: Is that right bb nitrogen makes smaller bubbles?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Nitrogen requires far stronger (more expensive) cans to contain same whipping.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:43:06; mircea_popescu: i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up.
BingoBoingo: And of all of the software I've set up on the OpenBSD install here fucking emacs is the only one that throws messages at the terminal when I invoke it because DBUS is dead.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90639 @ 0.00044135 = 40.0035 BTC [+] {2}
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mike_c: hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key?
BingoBoingo: ^ For the people who have not suffered this PC-BSD is equivalent to a 90's era Winblows reskinning. Ubuntism brough to FreeBDSM.
Adlai: mike_c: i'd rephrase that as "is it kosher to associate a single wot node with multiple nicks" ie ratings to nicks sharing a gpg key should apply to both equally
nubbins`: asciilifeform what state's your beast in now?
Vexual: Does blockchain still dl from a single source?
mike_c: Adlai: yeah, but that's not how it's done. so it seems fishy to me.
Adlai: ;;google that's just the way it is
Adlai has never heard of bruce hornsby before
mike_c: kakobrekla: any opinion?
mike_c: i thought fingerprint would/should be unique
Adlai: let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys.
☟︎ Adlai: you can have a wot (and anything built on top, such as gossipd) without nicks entering the equation
mike_c: well, that's the pgp wot
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. << limit in wetware when parsing single identity multiple nicks
Adlai: let the user assign nicknames, let wot nodes publish a signed message of which nicks they use, let wot nodes produce signed lists of which nicks they trust as which nodes... endless possibilities can be built on top, but why make nicks part of the fundamental model? they're not first class citizens. keys are.
mike_c: because we know each other by nick?
mike_c: and are more likely to change keys than nicks
Adlai: i guess the question is, what purpose does the wot serve? is it just a way of programming the congregation's robotic doormen, or is it something more?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ specifically prohibited in the export control statute << except the us exports diddly squat. it imports everything
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out? << about that.
mircea_popescu: not really. it was a big deal for as long as miniaturization was going strong, 1950 - 2000
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, moore's dead, and the thing will suffer the exact fate of printing.
☟︎ Adlai: but there's an inflection point. the deskjet printer would have seemed equally wonderous to a (human) printer in 1700 and in 1850, despite the former being twice as far away
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same could have been said about printing, 1600 to 1800.
mircea_popescu: quite Adlai's point. for as long as there's refinement available, it goes one way
decimation: eh, I don't see how the tech is getting cheaper either
mircea_popescu: and electronics hit their wall, half a decade or so ago.
mircea_popescu: nah, say by 2030-2050 you will be able to buy one of today's ic printers in the size of a 3d printer
decimation: how is the 'ic printer' gonna grow you a pure si substrate?
mircea_popescu: how is the car gonna grow you distilled hydrocarbonds, decimation ?
mircea_popescu: you'll buy them at costco, like you buy smoked herring today.
Adlai: or like you buy PLA for your 3d printer
decimation: disappointingly my costco doesn't sell smoked herring
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll prolly be left out of the future si trade too...
decimation: finding proper kippers is difficult in the us
mircea_popescu: so, is the trilema server going to be closed down by the evil forces of "bitlove, llc" ? what's the crowd wisdom say ?
decimation: the median usian has a strange aversion to tinned fish of all kinds
mircea_popescu: by the way, i scored a major victory in the battle with culinary darkness.
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decimation: asciilifeform: they sell sprats on amazon for $$$
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> decimation what srsly ?! << Pickled hering much more common is USia. We care to stock for our Joos but not eastern Europeans
mircea_popescu: the former's basically fast food. salt pickles are fermented.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: More RAM makes << there's a legitimate "keep blockchain on ramdisk" thing. sadly... it won't be feasible. it's luxury.
decimation: BingoBoingo: where do you find it? none of the groceries around here stock kippers
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not proper mind you, but a tease.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: while everyone knows the caveats of the 'million fly eyes', the concept of closed source os is really dead forever << agreed.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a favorite brand
decimation: actually a sprat is the same thing as a 'brisling'
decimation: I eat those regularly, king oskar brand
mircea_popescu: mike_c: hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key? << notrly. is this observable ?
decimation: the 'king oskars' have two layers of little fish packed in oil
decimation: but not smoked, I would like to try them smoked
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2015 01:12:18; kakobrekla: because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum
cazalla: yall got any of dem rollmops?
mircea_popescu: "Consider this: In the past 10 years has the distribution you run changed significantly in what it offers over other distributions? I think you'll find the answer is largely no. I do have to give a shout out to openSUSE for the OBS, but otherwise I've used my desktop in the same exact way that I have always used it within the continuity of distribution X,Y, or Z since I started using them. Distributions simply aren't f
mircea_popescu: ocused on desktop features, they're leaving it up to the DEs to do so."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Taged mega lol for a reason
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Adlai: the more i think about it, the more it seems that nicks are a second layer on top of the wot, provided by specific wot nodes - either a centralized nick->node mapping like assbot, or individual gossipd configs
Adlai: maybe i should stop thinking
decimation: asciilifeform: did you know that the 'national archives' nearby your house contains microfiche of captured WWII nazi records?
decimation: usg has decided that it would be better to charge you $0.6 per page to copy
decimation: "Records of the German Foreign Office Received by the Department of State. Microfilm Publication T120. 5,485 rolls. (Includes records of the German Foreign Office, 1867-1945, and records of the Reichs Chancellery, 1919-1945)." << $685k
mircea_popescu: pay, put online. total income ? 0.6 per page, 125 per film
mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
☟︎☟︎ mike_c: (1808,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1308068811,'bolzer',1293858000,0),
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00043969 = 22.0944 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo offers for people stuck in USia smelt from the great lakes as small inexpensive oilfish to play with by the pound
decimation: actually there's already a business where people 'resell' 'free' usg records - ancestry.com
decimation: mormons provide 'free' labor 'digitizing' ancient handwriting
mike_c: mircea_popescu: two lines above are one example.
mike_c: dunno who chashew and bolzer are, but they have the same key.
mircea_popescu: well, im pretty sure assbot won't allow it for the future. i didn't know gribble did
decimation: asciilifeform: clearly what you need to do is fashion a tool to 'capture' the microfiche screen
decimation: it's odd that google didn't see fit to send an intern or two over there to digitize what the national archives has
ben_vulpes: <mmeyer> quite in here << you did make it, yes :P
mmeyer: I'm confused, new to irc
BingoBoingo: <mmeyer> I'm confused, new to irc << Many people are indeed new compared to IRC. Meat odometer just rolled over and yet IRC is still older than me
decimation: mmeyer: what made you want to join #bitcoin-assets? It's interesting to learn where folks come from.
mmeyer: I searched and it said good conversation in here, from MN/USA
mmeyer: also have some interest in bitcoin
decimation: ah, well this is the right place to learn
ben_vulpes: these unqualified pronouns don't work too well
BingoBoingo: Under 100,000 blocks left. OOM kill happened in the interim
mircea_popescu: "Here's an example I fear no one will understand. The Iranians took 15 British soldiers hostage. The soldiers surrendered without a fight (ironically, so as not to start an international incident), and then pretended to go along with the Iranians. They did the song and dance "we are bad, we are imperialists, Ahmadinejad is good, we're sorry, thanks for being so nice to us" and were eventually released. So I'm sure t
mircea_popescu: hose soldiers were thinking, "look, I know who I am, I know I'm not a coward, I'm not helping the Iranians, but I have to do whatever is necessary to get out of this mess." What they are saying is that they can declare who they are, and what they do has no impact on it. "I am a hero, regardless of how I act." That's the narcissist fallacy. Whatever they may think about themselves, the fact is that they did help the
mircea_popescu: Iranians, and they are not heroes. But I can see that it is ego protective, I can see why they might take this perspective."
mircea_popescu: "Here's the part Americans can't get: why would Iran put them on TV when everyone is going to know it was forced? Unless you are saying that the Iranians, and only the Iranians, are so completely delusional that they actually believe the servicemen were thankful and apologetic, then this show had to appeal to some broader audience. Other people had to believe this was the real thing. Is it possible-- and I'm just
mircea_popescu: asking here-- that we are the only ones who don't believe these statements were meaningful?
mircea_popescu: In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?""
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54234 @ 0.00043038 = 23.3412 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?"" << AKA argument by "FYIAD"
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:33; decimation: then I heard this podcast:
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that eve
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:35; decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70400 @ 0.00043969 = 30.9542 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: But now things are different. Not since the 1980s, and before that never, has there been this much M&A activity, share buybacks and privatization. While this boosts share prices in the short term, as privateers bid up the price in a takeover, there's a huge downstream cost: the company is no longer public. You don't get to profit from it unless you work for it. Each privatized company, or the private equity firm
mircea_popescu: who owns it, becomes a little lord. You want money? They demand your service. It is the opposite of owning a stock, where you demand their service. It's more than just a concentration of wealth among the few. It is also a concentration of control, and, more importantly, risk. You may not be able to profit from it, but if something goes bad, for sure you'll be asked to pay for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if metansa exists, that's why he disappeared : they hired him.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo quite exactly. "fuck you, i'm a dragon". "because i say so". you seen /search-and-destroy/ ?
BingoBoingo: I don't recall. I'm still deep in the libations that are getting me over the meat odometer rollover.
BingoBoingo: Not delivery. Aunt made a delicious monster of a chocolate on chocolate recursive cake.
BingoBoingo: If there is a part of the cow that tastes more like beef than the tongue I have yet to meet it.
decimation: BingoBoingo: ever had beef (ox) tail soup?
BingoBoingo: Indeed, delicious. Oxtail is also good slow cooked on a kettle grill and finished in sauce a lot like people do with pork and brisket.
BingoBoingo: Brains and eggs I remember as being good, but since this continent has deer with CJD and the UK had mad cow, have to settle for making it with pork brains.
decimation: some folks think that there are beef cows with cjd too
BingoBoingo: People catch Brucellosis in "Brucellosis Free" states. If I accept the meta-NSA exists its common name is most likely the United States Department of Agriculture.
ben_vulpes: now there's a great conspiraci(!) theory
Adlai: "and many humans will find themselves the new horse: unemployable" - cgp grey
Vexual: I think if brussexels had a look at northern Australian, they would say 'don't bother'
Vexual: Jakarta bullocks at 2 / km2 is all youll ever do
Vexual: Peanuts failed and how will we get an inspector anywhere?
BingoBoingo: It's alright. The US peanut butter salmonella scare was traced back to birdshit in the peanut processing plant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120300 @ 0.00043079 = 51.824 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: another amusing tidbit from apple's wholesale collapse in quality on the desktop: no longer does the right arrow in iToonz skip to the next track.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Did Apple even release iTunes ever for Mac OS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.0004398 = 36.2835 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: highlights the next album, displaying its tracklist.
ben_vulpes: if you switch to "songs" view then the right arrow does the expected thing
ben_vulpes: and the old ui returns, nearly unmolested
ben_vulpes: this is topologically identical to the "Surface" shitshow, where when the retarded windows touch ui gets in your way you can get rid of it and go back to classic windows, with which one interacts with a stylus.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00044043 = 10.7024 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: i have 11.0.1 on this machine and even it's far messier and more byzantine than the older versions i seem to recall
ben_vulpes: those early ipods were phenomenally well designed.
ben_vulpes: i used nearly every mpwhater whatever object during that time
pete_dushenski: re goethe thing: "a dingo ate my baby" is the first thing that comes to mind
ben_vulpes: this was actually the best design they ever produced.
ben_vulpes: the buttons were physically separated from the scroll wheel
mircea_popescu: The system is designed with simply one outcome in mind: keep the poor with high recidivism rates and minimal social resources in jail-- a sort of half-way house for the disenfranchised-- until you can't possibly justify it any longer, and then give them a quick trial, accept the guilty plea ("what guilty plea?") and sentence them to time served and probation-- where you can add further controls.
mircea_popescu: It's debatable whether keeping potential terrorists in Cuba is a good idea. But when the State starts using pyschiatry to manage their population... I know you think I am exaggerrating. I'll bet you're not poor.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. << yes. because they were built around exactly one core value. "what's that for ? fuck you, you're not putting that in here."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, you think i don't get this?
ben_vulpes: apple only worked because there was one guy at the helm.
ben_vulpes: now ives is steering things and they're trumpeting their solar deals, working on 'watches' and spreading rumors about tesla acquisitions.
mircea_popescu: not just one guy. one guy who systematically hit everyone over the head with crazy ed's snippers encased in concrete
ben_vulpes: gotta leave something between the lines.
cazalla: i opted for the creative jukebox.. what a piece of shit that was
ben_vulpes: i'm in the top 12 for the past twelve months
ben_vulpes: also had all the sony cd players that did mp3s before portable hdds were a thing
ben_vulpes: there was this hilarious embedded ram arms race
pete_dushenski: "Unraveling a mystery that eluded the researchers analyzing the highly advanced Equation Group the world learned about Monday, password crackers have deciphered a cryptographic hash buried in one of the hacking crew's exploits. It's Arabic for "unregistered." "
pete_dushenski: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5 hash using a computer that tried more than 300 billion plaintext guesses every second. After coming up empty-handed, they enlisted the help of password-cracking experts, both privately and on Twitter, in hopes they would do better. Password crackers Jens Steube and Philipp Schmidt spent only a few hours before figuring
pete_dushenski: out the plaintext behind the hash e6d290a03b70cfa5d4451da444bdea39 was غير مسجل, which is Arabic for "unregistered". The hex-encoded string for the same Arabic word is dbedd120e3d3cce1."
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell the_scourge hey ninjashogun managed to crap more lines into the log over a longer time than you. howzat feel?
pete_dushenski: ^somebody was watching team america re-runs while hacking
pete_dushenski: that, or kaspersky needs to hire a few more people with brains
ben_vulpes: password attacks don't cross languages?
ben_vulpes: man security world must be even more esl than i was given to understand
pete_dushenski: which, given that kasp is sponsoring an f1 car is probably also true
pete_dushenski: but kasp is pretty big, and therefore one of there "rubber-stampers"
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ben_vulpes: so the towelheads humilated kaspersky, sending him to twitter for help?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What does 0.5.3.1 resource usage look like when synced?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'll let you know when i get there
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Alright Just wondering, because my personal 0.7.2 WTF build should sync sometime next week at the latest
ben_vulpes: i'm endeavoring to sync a portatronic build
ben_vulpes: and a more-or-less patched-up-to-date-with-mailing-list dynamically linked build
ben_vulpes: and my poor aws instance is laaaaaboring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00047349 = 14.1337 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5"
mircea_popescu: dude srsly... ars presenting cracking of md5 as ahigh tech exploit ?
mircea_popescu: did they also catch some "russian sleeper agents" through the time honored spycraft of hussling random vacationers ?
pete_dushenski: fat hairy dude with speedo, big black sunglasses, and foreign accent must be russian spy!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68076 @ 0.00047306 = 32.204 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ""Our idea was, if the first hash means 'unregistered' in English, would it be possible that the second hash means 'unregistered' as well, but in Arabic?" Steube said. "So we tried to download some Arabic expansion packs for [website commment app] vBulletin, which is the forum software that was attacked here.""
pete_dushenski: "The Great Internet Power Grab: We’ve come a long way from Steve Jobs as ‘phone phreak’ to Tom Wheeler as ruler of the Internet." << should i know who tom wheeler is ? if he's someone, why isn't he here ?
pete_dushenski: i have no interest in paying for a wsj sub to see the rest of that article, however
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00044094 = 17.3289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004557 = 15.6761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 448 @ 0.00482207 = 2.1603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00044803 = 20.699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115750 @ 0.00043528 = 50.3837 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00044618 = 24.0937 BTC [+]
punkman: cazalla: a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few << I pitched this idea a couple times, guess the time has come for it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00042875 = 25.6393 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00043523 = 14.1667 BTC [+]
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cazalla: punkman, oh nice, that'll be a help
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00042043 = 9.9415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4245 @ 0.00042019 = 1.7837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00042018 = 22.9628 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:59; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:31; danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00042912 = 3.5188 BTC [+]
jurov: catching up with logs and on 'ic printer' ... perhaps fpga-like discs burnable with bluray are more feasible?
jurov: but I have no idea who can be motivated to develop this.. certainly not bezzle valley
jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00042709 = 30.0031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85593 @ 0.00041967 = 35.9208 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai feels sorry for reference frames that classify sudden di[tz]zyness as "pretty high"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00042709 = 25.4546 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: might only be useful for copying an already synced chain onto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86950 @ 0.00042361 = 36.8329 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: damn susan sarandon is not a bad piece of ass in rocky horror, nothing on magenta but better than the pixelated c64 shit back in the day
assbot: Russian researchers expose 'NSA's Secret Weapon' to spy on every computer on Earth | Daily Mail Online ... (
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00042306 = 13.2841 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 23:48:30; mircea_popescu: lobbes wd.
lobbes: I have no idea what is running on my bill-gates machine, but I can find that answer in less than a second on my Debian VPS
lobbes: can't wait until I know what I'm doing enough to throw off the 'windows shackles' altogether
cazalla: now with linux i thought i was clean but turns out i was just hiv positive
jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00042869 = 30.0512 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: lobbes yes. the problem with it is that it's addictive, and soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general << i thought this was naturally a part of the aging process. i.e. "the old man".
cazalla: yeah, i hate everything, oh happy day i throw all these computers in the fkn bin
mircea_popescu: it's not part of the aging process, it's part of the society going to shit.
jurov: this seems to be related with you avoiding stupid people around you
mircea_popescu: wtf was that uberridiculous site back in 2012, that people ended up signing up as other users etc ? bitdaytrade ?
jurov: when i chose not to avoid them, there's other kinds of frustration but not the "everything goes to shit" feeling
lobbes: jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know << yeah, that seems to be the theme of everything I learn. Which plays into the 'addiction' point MP made. "There's more to learn!"
lobbes: which seems to end with ultimate disatifaction lol
cazalla: lobbes, that's an aussie saying ya know, ned kelly and all that
cazalla: bogans get it tatted across their chest or tramp stamped if woman
lobbes: cazalla: I'll admit I just googled that. I always thought it was of 'French origin'
lobbes: I dig aussies, though, so I'll go with that origin
cazalla: well ya wanna be a true blue fair dinkum aussie cunt ya gotta get ya such is life tat to go with your southern cross tat
lobbes: cazalla, okay but tramp stamp or chest?
cazalla: depends if you're a bloke or sheila
lobbes: bloke, but if I ever get thrown in jail it would be almost poetic if I get butt-raped
cazalla: are you some type of shirt lifting poofter or wut
lobbes: naw I'm just fucked in the head
cazalla: thestringpuller, u taking the piss mate? u having a go? u wanna go?
cazalla: tmw is such a write off after drinking this much
cazalla: this is one of those, i sorta know the answer to my question but im gonna ask as if im clueless anyway
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cazalla: 3am drunk cooking, what can i come up with!
cazalla: kebab be good though, remembers me about some doner discussion here at some point
lobbes has fuzzy memories being drunk in the DR; buying a kebab from some street vendor. Probably over-paid
cazalla: not sure you can over pay for a good kebab
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assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 01:41:05; asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago,
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system
danielpbarron: i've seen such sensationalist headlines as "the only way to stop the NSA from spying on you is to smash your hard drive"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00042912 = 8.3893 BTC [+]
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punkman: oic two rejected grexit bets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00042912 = 9.741 BTC [+]
punkman: ^ from some ISIS magazine: "The revival of slavery before the hour"
punkman: that's where they started isn't it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.0916 = 1.0992 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but the millenarian rhetoric was there from the beginning
punkman: "Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah
punkman: , whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse."
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http://bitbet.us/bet/1088/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 62(Y):38(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.53421 BTC. Current weight: 15,132.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042133 = 14.1988 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: sorry for wacky posts, arms are jelly from pushups
mircea_popescu: punkman you will notice this guy is an australian preacher.
punkman: mircea_popescu: of course he is ;)
mircea_popescu: i have no wonderment for how anglos are reinterpreting arab ideas in their own framework (which, for this purpose, is strictly millenarism)
mircea_popescu: just, there's a difference between isis becoming so infested with westerners it starts thinking like them and isis simply being mistranslated.
mats: 01:41:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago ... << link? a googling wasn't helpful
mircea_popescu: anyway, the misfortunate eu allies of the us are now getting in greece the argentine beauty come to roost.
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mircea_popescu: "Must multi task by helping answering phones, excel data upkeep etc.."
mircea_popescu: "This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???"
mircea_popescu: jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom.
ben_vulpes: just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns
ben_vulpes: this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones.
mircea_popescu: i guess. but this is a definite meritous future thing for s.nsa to pursue.
ben_vulpes: from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't as though i ever had good taste in music beat into me.
ben_vulpes: no, i said i have no idea if it's any good.
ben_vulpes: i have no context or anything to judge music against.
ben_vulpes: nah man this goes back to why a btc torrent thinger isn't worthwhile
mircea_popescu: all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me
ben_vulpes: i was hoping for a /mircea_popescu eyes a cockbrow
ben_vulpes: perhaps next time i take a whack at my bush i'll sculpt it into a cockbrow
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
PeterL: asciilifeform: are you setting up a clean room in your garage?
PeterL: hello Lycerion, how are things?
lobbes: lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function
Xuthus: mircea_popescu, why don't you go and code something ?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: yeah learn you a common lisp or something
mircea_popescu: lobbes nah. io should stop spamming. Xuthus i don't actually code worth a shit.
Lycerion: PeterL things are well, hooby is hoobin, life is good
PeterL: how big is a chip fab clean room?
mircea_popescu: the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean.
ben_vulpes: also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required.
PeterL: need to reinvent it at a smaller, cheaper scale?
mircea_popescu: basically this is quickly becoming a problem of logjammed. "we need a decent-er system design, to make oses on". "yes, for which we nbeed a new chip paradigm". "yes, which really needs better systems design for oses and such". "yes, which..."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00042313 = 30.2538 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner.
mircea_popescu: i wonder, and bear with my layered ignorance on all matters of import, but i wonder :
mircea_popescu: is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ?
PeterL: and cd-r moves basically one dimension
mircea_popescu: you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ?
mircea_popescu: as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built.
mircea_popescu: basically, I want to play music ? i can now get a 5 x 6 sheet of polyester, glue cds on it printed with this thing, and plug it in.
mircea_popescu: it .. sort of... kinda plays derpy 8 bit mono something.
mircea_popescu: for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ?
mircea_popescu: start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't.
mircea_popescu: the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77835 @ 0.00041964 = 32.6627 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well here's the thing : there's no way to expunge part of it.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> 0 results for 'resistor dac' << you know this came to 0 because you had to ruin steming ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: (i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance)
ben_vulpes: i recall a story from a stephenson book, about a machine that computed with chains run through computing boxes
ben_vulpes: as the chains moved through the boxes, the boxes flipped bits on each link
ben_vulpes: now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
mircea_popescu: the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
mircea_popescu: in this sense your senator's also your representative.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101300 @ 0.00042921 = 43.479 BTC [+] {2}
felipelalli: if you will learn something, invest in Haskell or Scheme.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118283 @ 0.00042976 = 50.8333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00042644 = 4.5842 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
mircea_popescu: considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
mircea_popescu: what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders"
punkman: "URGENT: RNG broken for last 4 months"
punkman: where is the open source shame list
punkman: no I mean we need a website with names and photos
mircea_popescu: so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production.
punkman: ah I assumed current meant stable
mod6: no -STABLE is stable
mod6: current = uber-crasher
mod6: everytime i've ever followed -current i end up with a lot of panic!s
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jurov: it's signed patches not commits and it's in disarray right now :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30761 @ 0.00042375 = 13.035 BTC [-]
jurov: have to make some dough first, then i can finally fix it
jurov: btw, anyone needs sysadmin? some deals fell through
jurov: i have plenty experience with using VPSes, not with running them
mircea_popescu: weren't you running an open bash server at some point ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it << yeah!
jurov: okay i'll consider it
jurov: re: simpleshell.com everything in chroot was killed after 15 minutes, that's is quite a difference from permanent setup, and abuse reports were last blow
mircea_popescu: if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that.
mircea_popescu: but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know.
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jurov: i see this is serious and there's interest. but the last obstacle is i must do this together with someone, it needs someone on duty 24hrs
jurov: namworld is not with bitvps anymore, and they're imo pretty lame
mike_c: you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042976 = 9.2398 BTC [+]
lobbes: I wouldn't add much value, but I'd work for free as an extra set of hands/eyes. You'd still need someone that knew what they were doing, of course. Plus I wouldn't be available 24/7 so maybe I'd be no use lol
lobbes: Sounds like a cool learning opportunity though
jurov: lobbes if you want, i can give you simpleshell.com to learn it's low maintenance, but also low profit
jurov: (low 10's monthly from ads)
lobbes: asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor << Fair enough. Point taken
lobbes: jurov: thanks for the link. I got my own VPS to fuck up, though. ;)
jurov: and back to topic, currently i'm about reselling aws stuff, that's a start. i know some trustworthy people here that do vpses, i'll ask them for cooperation
jurov: they do hae "dedicated" instances, but i'm not pressing the point
mike_c: ruinous for 1. not ruinous for many.
mike_c: the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances
mike_c: well, that's why jurov resells them.
mike_c: why? then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down.
jurov: virtual hardware can eat shit too
mike_c: and does all the time. and is replaced trivially
jurov: well, have you read what herbijudlestoids wrote?
jurov: it's all but trivial
mike_c: recently? don't think so.
jurov: or i miisunderstood what's he doing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00042375 = 27.798 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 14-02-2015 04:02:23; herbijudlestoids: openstack based IaaS clouds
jurov: and lines below that
mike_c: hm, that seems different. enterprise cloud management.
mike_c: but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me.
mike_c: if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability
mike_c: look at the trouble mpex has had over the years.
jurov: you know, aws itself recommends "to get best reliability, have servers in multiple availabiltiy zones"
jurov: so, again, all but trivial stuff
mike_c: yes, i know. but i don't think you're disagreeing that colo will have lower reliability?
jurov: oh you're arguing reliability? i missed that
mike_c: i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack.
mike_c: it won't be cheaper. for the same reasons.
jurov: which service? if it's phuctor, i can imagine it relies on sole access to fast SSD storage.
jurov: this isn't something given on aws
mike_c: he said its cpu bound. but you can get IOPS provisioned on aws
mike_c: and the service is: computing power for btc
mike_c: or, vps for btc (dedicated instance coming soon)
mike_c: mhm. for unspecified reasons
mike_c: 1) you're lying because you are hosting nosuchlabs on it right now.
jurov: mike_c pls don't alienate my customers
jurov: if they know what they want, im not pressing it
mike_c: don't listen to what they say. he is paying them, obviously it's the best option right now.
mike_c: customer's don't know what they want
mike_c: listen to what they do, not what they say. marketing 101.
mike_c: asciilifeform: so if you could get dedicated instance from jurovvps at non-ruinous cost this would be a good thing.
jurov: so you want me to sell him c3.something aws instance and lie to him it's physical?
mike_c: jurov, no, don't lie. you could sell him exactly what he has now, but in btc, and he'd probably switch.
mike_c: down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes
mike_c: and he'd buy that. he would still complain, but he'd pay.
jurov: at that price maybe a seat at my guerrilla home router.. but that one has only a celeron and main computer is too noisy to keep on all time
jurov: but i'll be asking around , we'll see
jurov: btw, dedi aws is not one-time cost. they ask $2/hour if *any* is running in the region
mike_c: one-time not the right word. it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box.
mike_c: so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x.
jurov: and you're buying, like 10 of them?
mike_c: jurov is. and selling 1 to ascii, 1 to somebody else, etc.
mike_c: the hidden cost is when it eats shit.
jurov: was it ever ddosed?
jurov: "remained standing" isn't hard. "they didn't kicked me" is.
mike_c: did you get abuse reports? did they stand up to those?
mike_c: (not sure if aws would either on that count..)
jurov: aws will forward them to yo
mike_c: jurov: but which way do they lean? to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off?
jurov: i didn't dare to find out just to keep a toy afloat
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kakobrekla: this is a classic, do it right with ev- or do it wrong
jurov: !s abuse from:jurov
jurov: nope. i'm certain i talked about it here before.
mike_c: kakobrekla: did you have any thoughts/opinions on wot dupe key issue?
mike_c: i want there not to be dupe keys.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
mike_c: i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint. maybe boot the offending nicks from the db?
kakobrekla: this takes us another step further away from a potential cross sync doesnt it
danielpbarron: SetBestChain: 1 of last 100 blocks above version 2 << anyone else seeing this in their .bitcoin/debug.log ? does it have to do with 0.10 coming out?
punkman: oh and they are already talking about version 4
danielpbarron: bu-but.. the forum poll said it had 60% support!? how can this 1% be?
punkman: well v3 brings strict signature format, not such a bad thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00042659 = 6.9321 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: also, the links to the public log from s.b-a.link add an extra unnecessary '/' in the root directory
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: holy fuck this thing completely fucks up the blockchain. (0.10)
mod6: It's a shit-blizzard, Randy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00042659 = 17.3622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105069 @ 0.00043021 = 45.2017 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156700 @ 0.00043403 = 68.0125 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74809 @ 0.00042659 = 31.9128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127410 @ 0.00043522 = 55.4514 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40590 @ 0.00043714 = 17.7435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27157 @ 0.00043735 = 11.8771 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.0004339 = 27.5743 BTC [-]
Adlai: "Snapchat seeks new funding at up to $19 billion valuation" ie, "one interchangeable centralized messaging service butthurt over inferior valuation, seeks to call and raise"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004339 = 2.0827 BTC [-]
Adlai: gotta push the $ in $napcash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00042902 = 15.4876 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00077898 = 2.3369 BTC [-] {5}
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla i forgot a title! please to consider "CAVIRTEX, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in Canada, closes doors out of embarrassment "
jurov: pete_dushenski: did you mention how many bitcoins(from IPO) have they walked away with?
pete_dushenski: though they apparently "intend" to "communicate" with "loyal shareholders"
pete_dushenski: as if any of those words were descriptive or actionable
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo << wherewherewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11441 @ 0.00042659 = 4.8806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37073 @ 0.00042375 = 15.7097 BTC [-]
Adlai: asciilifeform: which concern is (yes) meant to answer?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in what interesting and special ways *does* it suck?
Adlai: "i'm renting a physical *(yes)* box" <- as in, "have i visited the box personally and confirmed that it occupies the same reality as me? _yes_"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did learn how to read a datasheet in the mines.
ben_vulpes: just 'cause this one has css doesn't change the selection process.
Adlai: asciilifeform: ok, $25/mo was seeming awfully cheap for a datacenter where customers visit their inmates
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? <- nope, gribble checks upon registration if the key is already in use.
Adlai theoretically should migrate scalpl to somesuch bare minimum hosting... but the current box hasn't broken yet, so there's nothing to fix!
Adlai: it's enough for my development bots
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
Adlai: some mix of: lazyness, the desire to periodically load my code into a fresh image, and ansi cl portability
Adlai: "Tasks: 27, 90 thr"
Adlai: it's 3 images for 4 bots, the two on the same exchange share an image; it's currently *possible* to run multiple on multiple exchanges from the same image, see 'lazyness etc'
Adlai: also nice to have some level of isolation if i royally screw up one image
Adlai: swap is there as a failsafe, it ran just fine 101 days without it, but i'd rather not take chances if things go crazy while i'm asleep