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cazalla: anyone able to recommend wiki software?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is using something on b-a wiki
mike_c: why not just use the b-a wiki? It already has limited editors.
mike_c: unless it's meant as seo fodder for qntra i guess.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/netagio-to-close-bitcoin-exchange-in-favour-of-fiat/
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cazalla: mike_c, that is specific to #b-a moreso than Bitcoin in general isn't it? and anyway, if i pursue this by myself in the short-mid term, it'll reflect on me instead of b-a website
mike_c: it is specific to bitcoin assets, yes :) History of bitcoin companies seems appropriate. But I think it mostly depends on how much help you want.
mike_c: If you want a bunch of people to contribute, the wiki is there. If you basically want to do it yourself, then sure, put it wherever.
mike_c: It certainly would tie in with qntra.
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzMcAh )
mircea_popescu: it could work as a wiki or as a category on qntra i ugess.
thestringpuller: lol furries.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: is it that hard to imagine that nsa doesn't need the manufacturers' text source to backdoor their drives!? << PC9000
Adlai is too busy doing the victory dance to look this up... he now has two scalpls running in the same lisp image and they're not stepping on eachother's toes
Adlai: last time i tried this, with a financier watching over my shoulder, his bot trod on mine, and after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, both irrevocably crashed... that was nearly 5 months ago. now it's working flawlessly :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55889 @ 0.00044511 = 24.8768 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: that netagio closing is amusing. I wonder what the real story behind it is
decimation: " Market share of Bitcoin trading globally continues to mirror Bitcoin adoption stages, with China leading the way with 67%, the US capturing 27% of all Bitcoin trading, the EU following with 2.5% and the UK with a stagnating 0.25%, mostly as a result of a lack of regulatory guidelines and UK banks withdrawing banking support from British Bitcoin businesses."
mircea_popescu: lmao!
decimation: if those numbers are correct, I wonder why europe is so low?
mircea_popescu: mostly the result of shitty regulation environment and uk people being idiots.
mircea_popescu: decimation europeans are by and large exactly like usians, ie, monolinguistic.
mircea_popescu: with the added disadvantage that they speak obscure languages
decimation: the goldmoney people (who invested in netagio) seem to know what they are doing
decimation: 'monolinguistic' in the sense that their opinion was fixed by harvard ca. 1945?
mircea_popescu: tbh, that 67/27/2.5/0.25 thing pretty much exactly matches the map of real gdp
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense that they simply do not know what happens if it wasn't written in hungarian
decimation: I thought that most germans and french spoke english at least
mircea_popescu: or w/e. danish
mircea_popescu: well, most americans speak french
decimation: heh, 'speak'
mircea_popescu: at least if you mean "most of the people makin > 250k and living in a big city"
decimation: but this very parochialism is why bitcoin ought to be attractive
decimation: 'maybe people outside hungary will use this new trade coin'
decimation: well, at any rate I give the netagio people credit - they unwound in an orderly way when the business wasn't working out
mircea_popescu: http://www.infobae.com/2015/02/16/1627076-puerto-madero-como-es-el-lugar-donde-encontraron-un-cadaver-incinerado
assbot: Puerto Madero: cómo es el lugar donde encontraron un cadáver incinerado | La muerte de Nisman - Infobae ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUN7La )
mircea_popescu: that's a new one
decimation: the plaza of the women?
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: i actually walked by there, in the middle of teh night maybe a month or two ago ?
mircea_popescu: but with naked rather than flaming woman in tow.
asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 04:50:24; asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35661.pdf << the document concerning specific doctored firmware
mircea_popescu: i still don't see the wisdom of allowing diddling of firmware via data bus.
asciilifeform: whizzdom
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
asciilifeform: and now that the multivendor diddlomatic is out, winblows users will get what they so persistently beg for
asciilifeform: (by remaining winblows users, that is)
asciilifeform: it'll be in every ring0 turd on the planet before the year's out, possibly.
asciilifeform: (and yes, virtually all extant hdds are trivially reflashable.)
asciilifeform: of the handful of vendors whose drives i have studied personally, not one used a signature scheme of any kind, for example
asciilifeform: anyone who has ring0 on the box and can send raw ata cmds. can flash.
BingoBoingo: Reflashing firmware is one of those things that should require a goat sacrifice. Fort Mead would smell better.
asciilifeform: if there exists, somewhere, a maker of drives which demand signatures - usg is the first to get a copy of the key, to no one's great surprise
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is the reason why it should not be a mask rom ?
asciilifeform: i can see no legit reason to ship a drive with buggy firmware.
asciilifeform: it is done, like the 'anal child' in mircea_popescu's essay, 'because they can get away with it'
asciilifeform: (not news) usg really loves rc5 and rc6 as non-attributable stream ciphers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No particular reason. Makes Data recovery stuff easier with PC9000. Also creates a market for that kind of data recovery when firmware makes drive shit the bed.
asciilifeform: if these produce statistical anomalies (distinguishable from white noise) as rc4 is known to, this'd be a good avenue to search for 'mouse droppings' in the wild.
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decimation: re: diddling firmware via data bus << in band signaling strikes again
asciilifeform: updatable via the bus for the same reason as everything else: so lusers can update from winblows
asciilifeform: without even having to contemplate opening the chassis, in which, as is known, daemons live
decimation: of course, the drive manufacturers couldn't put a switch or toggle on the front of the computer
asciilifeform: It Would Be Wrong (TM)
decimation: in a similar way that allowing the user to enter their own cryptography via a separate front panel would be wrong
asciilifeform: ^ specifically prohibited in the export control statute
asciilifeform: by name.,
decimation: gee I wonder why
asciilifeform: 'It is not clear how the NSA may have obtained the hard drives' source code.' << wtf
asciilifeform: who needs the source?
asciilifeform didn't
BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller
asciilifeform: granted, some of the drives had weird variations on the usual themes (say, dual mips cores with oodles of proprietary coprocessor regs)
asciilifeform: but nothing especially 'martian'
decimation: hell I bet some of them have a flash chip sitting there
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless you know something i don't, they're $maxint years out
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not even the theoretical basis for contemplating such a thing, presently exists.
asciilifeform: decimation: most of'em.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller << Once again PC9000. Russian product that basically lets anyone who can understand the interface su all over the hdd firmware.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no need for weird winblows crapware
decimation: yeah I was being sarcastic
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: connect a ttl-to-serial voltage converter to the convenient debug pins, and have at it
asciilifeform: earlier today someone reposted the famous (~2yr.) link of demo where linux is installed on the head controller
decimation: there are many ways to map machine code to assembly to pseudo-c
asciilifeform: decimation: generally no one does this. folks read the asm straight
decimation: 'fits in head'
asciilifeform: http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-14437584971410/91401152-7.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZ98c )
asciilifeform: ^ convenient illustration
asciilifeform: pulled it straight out of arse
asciilifeform: http://g04.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1aHXaGXXXXXbnXVXXq6xXFXXXr/201052183/HTB1aHXaGXXXXXbnXVXXq6xXFXXXr.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZd7T )
asciilifeform: and $maxint more
asciilifeform: read with what?
asciilifeform: with one of these:
asciilifeform: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI4OVgxNjAw/z/lDUAAOxyRhBSs3Px/$_35.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZjwl )
asciilifeform: ^ useful household tool, everyone should own
decimation: I would like to get a collection of 'chip clips'
asciilifeform: used as such - https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8483/8250761184_8a3331953d.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQZnfr )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: connect a ttl-to-serial voltage converter to the convenient debug pins, and have at it << PC9000 largely valued because drive plugs in to IDE or SATA ports in this ISA/(hopefully there's a PCI version by now) card. Boot to card. Diddle at leisure with curses interface. Most operations automated already.
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think the best method would be to semi-permanently attach a lead to an smt chip pin? I tend to ruin the pad by soldering
decimation: I wonder if there's like a little mini-clamp that you can affix to a pin
asciilifeform: logic analyzers come with 'crocodiles' for single pins but no real use for high-pitched smt
asciilifeform: and no real use for high frequencies
BingoBoingo: So OpenBSD 0.7.2 qt build 17 hours without an OOM kill (returned to 512MB process limit a while back) Presently a June 15th, 2013. Seems the space for bastards to be introduced has shrank enough to make bastards moar manageable.
asciilifeform: gotta solder them or use a properly fitted clip like in the photo
asciilifeform: the soic-8 one pictures costs around $10.
decimation: yeah that's what I figured
ben_vulpes: Adlai: what's the goal of running multiple bots in the same lisp image?
ben_vulpes: what does it buy one?
Adlai: share code & data
ben_vulpes: ah ha
Adlai: remember, my "server" is a thinkpad ca 2002, so every cons counts
ben_vulpes: i'd no idea, actually.
ben_vulpes: re: bastards, has anyone experimented with the number of blocks requested?
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ben_vulpes: 'tis another knob to turn. if instead of rewriting the bastard storage mechanism, one could leverage the network protocol to reduce the number of bastards per wad sent over the wire, it might alleviate some pain.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: regardless of what else, the unbounded data structure has to go
BingoBoingo sad Tadpole laptops still sell for effectively $maxint
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's a 'not whether death, but when' sorta thing
BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tadpole-RDI-General-Dynamics-UltraBookIIi-UltraSPARC-Solaris-UNIX-Laptop-/161106196715?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2582ad78eb
assbot: Tadpole RDI General Dynamics Ultrabookiii UltraSPARC Solaris Unix Laptop | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR0ETZ )
asciilifeform: 15k!
asciilifeform: a bit much even for most museums.
asciilifeform: you can get any lisp machine ever made, for example, with a crate of parts to last you a lifetime, for half of this
BingoBoingo: Seriously
asciilifeform: mega-lol in the 'faq' on that listing ^
asciilifeform: 'QUESTION: Are you insane? Are you stupid? No one would ever pay this much for a laptop! You should sell it to me for $10 because it is so old and worthless. / ANSWER: Contrary to your opinion, I sell several of these machines per week. These machines are used for many reasons including: / Government & Military projects ...'
BingoBoingo: Even Beastmode looks like it comes to under $500 with shipping http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUN-Ultra-80-Server-Quad-450MHz-4GB-Memory-73GB-HD-/380342615233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588e2fbcc1
assbot: Sun Ultra 80 Server Quad 450MHz 4GB Memory 73GB HD | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR0X0P )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my uni threw out pallets of these
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One Uni I attended at last visit earlier this year still has lab full of its wimpier contemporary
asciilifeform doesn't see the appeal of closed source unixen, no matter how he tries
asciilifeform: regardless of on what chip, etc.
BingoBoingo: That lab "engineering building Floor one at SIU Carbondale, forget which wing" still solaris lab. I like the hardware though for "lives forever" and other unixen run fine
BingoBoingo: WHat lab is full of http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ultra-60-Workstation-2x-450MHz-2GB-RAM-73GB-HD-/380274164694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588a1b43d6 << Not same price as Ultra 80 which is twice the processors of this one
assbot: Sun Ultra 60 Workstation 2X 450MHz 2GB RAM 73GB HD | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjKGgK )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the best way to get something like this is to be there when folks are throwing them out by the tonne
asciilifeform: e.g., when i did
BingoBoingo: I'm waiting for them to hit the dumpster
BingoBoingo: Don't know if they ever will
BingoBoingo: Connects on campus have yet to send the flag and since on every visit lab still intact I assume they aren't slacking
asciilifeform fucking hates slowaris
asciilifeform: the boxes were ok.
asciilifeform: the folks running ancient closed-source unixen today do so 'not from a good life'
asciilifeform: but because forced to on account of working for usg or having to use some likewise closed turdware (usually also because, ultimately, usg)
asciilifeform: or, i suppose, archaeologists
BingoBoingo: Thankfully other Unixen work on the boxes
asciilifeform: ^ vms, for instance, is an interesting os - conceptually, and i have it one one of my 'alpha'
asciilifeform: http://i.4cdn.org/g/1424118682210.png << l0lz
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR2AvI )
asciilifeform: http://i.4cdn.org/g/1424118770173.png << m0ar
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR2C6E )
BingoBoingo: Quest for "real-ish computer" which can handled contemporary amounts of RAM and HDD space is arduous search
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: realize, if you get off modern turdware (incl. graphical www), you almost certainly don't need so much as 1GB for anything
asciilifeform: unless you're into physics sims
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Blockchain parsing
asciilifeform: the entire ussr never had, quite likely, 1g of ram between it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do you need to do with the blockchain that can't be done 1G at a time ?
asciilifeform: (just picked this number more or less arbitrarily)
BingoBoingo: More RAM makes Electrum server more feasile. Not to run the server for the wallet mind you, but because of the queryable database of blockchain data.
decimation: "asciilifeform doesn't see the appeal of closed source unixen" << I see the appeal of actual people maintaining a unix, closed or open
Adlai: somehow git gets by without an in-memory index, i wonder how!
asciilifeform: slowaris is maintained somewhere ?
asciilifeform: or hpux ?
decimation: not anymore, but in its day it sorta was
BingoBoingo: Open Indiana et al
Adlai: ( `ls .git/objects` reveals how)
decimation: although the rumor I heard back then was that most of the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending their working days trying to unravel the gordian knot of kernel locks
asciilifeform: while everyone knows the caveats of the 'million fly eyes', the concept of closed source os is really dead forever - as far as thinking folks are concerned
decimation: asciilifeform: also, the 'spiritual heir' of solaris is maintained by those 'joyent' people
asciilifeform: lol yes
BingoBoingo: Shame the solaris 10 with the SMF turd introduced was the only "open" one and likely inspired so many systemdevaintisms
asciilifeform: decimation: corpses don't get to decide what to be eaten by, ants, vultures, cannibals
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decimation: asciilifeform: the concept of a closed design chip is dead forever too
decimation: doesn't stop it from being undead
BingoBoingo: <decimation> although the rumor I heard back then was that most of the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending their working days trying to unravel the gordian knot of kernel locks << But as an Oracle turd they can now break whatever they want in the name of handling one database faster.
asciilifeform: until ic can be fabbed in a kitchen - it's alive
decimation: can fab a board full of 74xx logic :)
Vexual: Im not melting silcon in mine.
Vexual: Aluminum was bad enough
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So killed Dbus this weekend on my OpenBSD install. Only thing asking for DBUS when invoked is Emacs, works fine without DBUS though.
decimation: I'm surprised dbus comes with openbsd at all
BingoBoingo: decimation: Mtier and Gnome
decimation: ah so it's in a 'port'
BingoBoingo: Mtier = Golden toilet company that sells exportable installs of desktop systems for oil rigs et al makes Gnome a centerpiece of their OpenBSD desktop solution.
BingoBoingo: Mtier makes many of the OpenBSD port
BingoBoingo: s
BingoBoingo: so when they make ports, dbus
decimation: I don't get the general preference for gnome over kde
BingoBoingo: I don't understand either. XFCE straddles the line of minimum/maximum desktop I can tolerate given my small screen size and clumsy fingers keeping me off of leaner solution.
Vexual: smaller bubbles whip the cream
BingoBoingo: My interface requirements consist of works on 11.6" screen and useable past ETOH LD50
Vexual: Is that right bb nitrogen makes smaller bubbles?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Nitrogen requires far stronger (more expensive) cans to contain same whipping.
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021174 << how do we make it go down? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:43:06; mircea_popescu: i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up.
BingoBoingo: And of all of the software I've set up on the OpenBSD install here fucking emacs is the only one that throws messages at the terminal when I invoke it because DBUS is dead.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
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mike_c: hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key?
BingoBoingo: Mega lol >> http://lukewolf.blogspot.com/2015/02/a-prediction-2020-year-of-pc-bsd-on.html
assbot: The Wolf's Den: A Prediction: 2020 the year of (PC-)BSD on the desktop ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR5FMb )
BingoBoingo: ^ For the people who have not suffered this PC-BSD is equivalent to a 90's era Winblows reskinning. Ubuntism brough to FreeBDSM.
Adlai: mike_c: i'd rephrase that as "is it kosher to associate a single wot node with multiple nicks" ie ratings to nicks sharing a gpg key should apply to both equally
nubbins`: !s pogo from:asciilifeform
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nubbins`: asciilifeform what state's your beast in now?
Vexual: Does blockchain still dl from a single source?
nubbins`: afaik
mike_c: Adlai: yeah, but that's not how it's done. so it seems fishy to me.
Adlai: ;;google that's just the way it is
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Adlai has never heard of bruce hornsby before
mike_c: kakobrekla: any opinion?
Vexual: Just tupac?
mike_c: i thought fingerprint would/should be unique
nubbins`: heh
Vexual: Could perhaps
Adlai: let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. ☟︎
Adlai: you can have a wot (and anything built on top, such as gossipd) without nicks entering the equation
mike_c: well, that's the pgp wot
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. << limit in wetware when parsing single identity multiple nicks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's an emacs-23 port, iirc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: clean.
BingoBoingo: Ah
Adlai: let the user assign nicknames, let wot nodes publish a signed message of which nicks they use, let wot nodes produce signed lists of which nicks they trust as which nodes... endless possibilities can be built on top, but why make nicks part of the fundamental model? they're not first class citizens. keys are.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what state's your beast in now << stuck on crafting the ramdisk (in-ram root fs) for netbsd. as of a week ago. haven't the time, presently, to do anything ☟︎
mike_c: because we know each other by nick?
mike_c: and are more likely to change keys than nicks
Adlai: "math is hard!"
Adlai: i guess the question is, what purpose does the wot serve? is it just a way of programming the congregation's robotic doormen, or is it something more?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ specifically prohibited in the export control statute << except the us exports diddly squat. it imports everything
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out? << about that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for extra lulz, the statute applies to u.s. subjects going off the reservation and working elsewhere
asciilifeform: just as much as to those inside the razor wire
mircea_popescu: yeah right.
asciilifeform: statutorily
asciilifeform: (as the tax code)
asciilifeform: in practice, naturally, 'not caught - not thief'
asciilifeform is asked re: chip fabs question with some regularity. is quite accustomed to explaining how it is in many ways a considerably trickier and more delicate affair than, say, a factory of atomic bombs
mircea_popescu: not really. it was a big deal for as long as miniaturization was going strong, 1950 - 2000
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, moore's dead, and the thing will suffer the exact fate of printing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ubiquitous, cheap.
asciilifeform: refining and slicing Si boules is not getting cheaper
asciilifeform: nor is a sterile floor
asciilifeform: none of the relevant tech has changed an iota since day one
asciilifeform: wish it were otherwise, but 'wishes aren't horses'
Adlai: but there's an inflection point. the deskjet printer would have seemed equally wonderous to a (human) printer in 1700 and in 1850, despite the former being twice as far away
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same could have been said about printing, 1600 to 1800.
mircea_popescu: but then...
asciilifeform: printing was more or less the same from herr gutenberd right up to linotype
mircea_popescu: quite Adlai's point. for as long as there's refinement available, it goes one way
asciilifeform: *gutenberg
mircea_popescu: once the wall is hit, it goes the other way.
decimation: eh, I don't see how the tech is getting cheaper either
mircea_popescu: and electronics hit their wall, half a decade or so ago.
asciilifeform: the equivalent of a 'printer' for ic would be something like an ion beam gun station
asciilifeform: but sans the $maxint of high vacuum golden toilet
asciilifeform: i've some theoretical work, but it remains on paper
mircea_popescu: nah, say by 2030-2050 you will be able to buy one of today's ic printers in the size of a 3d printer
asciilifeform: there is also a titanic pile of usg grantsmanship on the subject
mircea_popescu: and for a comparable btc cost.
asciilifeform: (mostly safe to ignore)
decimation: how is the 'ic printer' gonna grow you a pure si substrate?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: an fpga that isn't a usg-proprietary piece of shit would go a long way
asciilifeform: and is existing tech
mircea_popescu: how is the car gonna grow you distilled hydrocarbonds, decimation ?
mircea_popescu: you'll buy them at costco, like you buy smoked herring today.
decimation: in your porta-cleanroom?
mircea_popescu: yup.
Adlai: or like you buy PLA for your 3d printer
mircea_popescu: comes in a container, you hook it to the machine.
asciilifeform: i'll note that it is possible to use substrates other than si
asciilifeform: e.g., sapphire
asciilifeform: presently - platinum toilet
mircea_popescu: !up Jones4
asciilifeform: but in principle has advantage that you can -grow- a crystal
decimation: disappointingly my costco doesn't sell smoked herring
decimation: only shitty off-brand sardines
mircea_popescu: decimation what srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll prolly be left out of the future si trade too...
decimation: finding proper kippers is difficult in the us
mircea_popescu: ^ futurology right there.
asciilifeform: the hardest thing to score where i live is proper sprats
decimation: 'king oscar' for me
asciilifeform: but quite doable if you know where.
mircea_popescu: so, is the trilema server going to be closed down by the evil forces of "bitlove, llc" ? what's the crowd wisdom say ?
decimation: the median usian has a strange aversion to tinned fish of all kinds
mircea_popescu: by the way, i scored a major victory in the battle with culinary darkness.
mircea_popescu: salt pickles!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.00043969 = 21.3469 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: they sell sprats on amazon for $$$
decimation: aren't pickles already salt?
mircea_popescu: there's two ways to pickle : in vinegar and in salt.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> decimation what srsly ?! << Pickled hering much more common is USia. We care to stock for our Joos but not eastern Europeans
mircea_popescu: the former's basically fast food. salt pickles are fermented.
decimation: interesting
mircea_popescu: decimation is not fro mthe us ?
asciilifeform: decimation: amazon !?!!
asciilifeform: lol!
decimation: I'm from the us
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: More RAM makes << there's a legitimate "keep blockchain on ramdisk" thing. sadly... it won't be feasible. it's luxury.
decimation: BingoBoingo: where do you find it? none of the groceries around here stock kippers
BingoBoingo: decimation: Of all places... Wal mart
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not proper mind you, but a tease.
decimation: asciilifeform: sure: http://www.amazon.com/Adro-Riga-Smoked-Sprats-5-6-Ounce/dp/B004H4SEZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424144408&sr=8-1&keywords=sprats
assbot: Amazon.com : Adro Riga Smoked Sprats, 5.6-Ounce (Pack of 12) : Packaged Meats And Seafoods : Grocery & Gourmet Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjR9Zc )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: while everyone knows the caveats of the 'million fly eyes', the concept of closed source os is really dead forever << agreed.
asciilifeform: about 2x the cost of ordinary 'ethnic' grocers in wash.,d.c. area
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a favorite brand
asciilifeform: incidentally you can get -proper- sprats even in d.c. city limits
asciilifeform: in, of all places, 'mozart' (german grocer)
asciilifeform: near gallery pl. metro stop.
asciilifeform: about four bux a tin
decimation: yeah I've been there
decimation: actually a sprat is the same thing as a 'brisling'
asciilifeform: decimation: brand << anything from riga. but beware fakes with 'synthetic smoke'
decimation: I eat those regularly, king oskar brand
asciilifeform: not certain if same thing
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sprat << wiki thinks so
assbot: European sprat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRk6T )
asciilifeform: i've not had all possible spart-alikes
asciilifeform: *sprat-
mircea_popescu: mike_c: hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key? << notrly. is this observable ?
decimation: the 'king oskars' have two layers of little fish packed in oil
decimation: but not smoked, I would like to try them smoked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2015#1000695 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2015 01:12:18; kakobrekla: because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum
cazalla: yall got any of dem rollmops?
mircea_popescu: "Consider this: In the past 10 years has the distribution you run changed significantly in what it offers over other distributions? I think you'll find the answer is largely no. I do have to give a shout out to openSUSE for the OBS, but otherwise I've used my desktop in the same exact way that I have always used it within the continuity of distribution X,Y, or Z since I started using them. Distributions simply aren't f
mircea_popescu: ocused on desktop features, they're leaving it up to the DEs to do so."
mircea_popescu: wait, this is a bad thing now ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Taged mega lol for a reason
asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sprat#mediaviewer/File:Sprattus_sprattus.jpg << salivating just looking at this
assbot: European sprat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRFpU )
decimation: asciilifeform: me too
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00043969 = 4.5508 BTC [-]
Adlai: the more i think about it, the more it seems that nicks are a second layer on top of the wot, provided by specific wot nodes - either a centralized nick->node mapping like assbot, or individual gossipd configs
Adlai: maybe i should stop thinking
decimation: asciilifeform: http://static.squarespace.com/static/512d63fde4b0ad29483e68dd/t/52c2e34ee4b0dc7797cb11ed/1388503887705/KO2.jpg < king oskar 'brisling' sprat
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRVW1 )
decimation: sometimes they sell at safeway
decimation: asciilifeform: did you know that the 'national archives' nearby your house contains microfiche of captured WWII nazi records?
asciilifeform: not surprised
asciilifeform: 'archives 2'
decimation: http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/
assbot: Captured German and Related Records on Microfilm ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjS9wk )
asciilifeform: good bit of nsa pile in there also, according to legend
decimation: usg has decided that it would be better to charge you $0.6 per page to copy
decimation: and $125 per microfiche copy
asciilifeform: would happily pay this for the nsa papers, but they are not (presently) listed for sale.
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: "Records of the German Foreign Office Received by the Department of State. Microfilm Publication T120. 5,485 rolls. (Includes records of the German Foreign Office, 1867-1945, and records of the Reichs Chancellery, 1919-1945)." << $685k
mircea_popescu: pay, put online. total income ? 0.6 per page, 125 per film
decimation: Why not digitize?
mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0), ☟︎☟︎
mike_c: (1808,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1308068811,'bolzer',1293858000,0),
decimation: I guess $685k is 'note from stalin'
asciilifeform: a usg 700k quote magicks into $0 for the right folks, yes.
mircea_popescu: sooo weirdest thing you've ever seen ? http://38.media.tumblr.com/b7a8237ecb0b4d31b46cfdf254b03c5b/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o4_400.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/e44a3d56567af39df11d0866b85d20ed/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o2_400.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/1d70563d6f79e92a2115badd1e63d6ff/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o5_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSsax )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSrn3 )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSsqW )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is remarkable in the above clips ?
mircea_popescu: who snorts cum ?!
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: assumed it was ordinary coke, and grainy photo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00043969 = 22.0944 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: looks kinda wet to me
BingoBoingo offers for people stuck in USia smelt from the great lakes as small inexpensive oilfish to play with by the pound
decimation: actually there's already a business where people 'resell' 'free' usg records - ancestry.com
decimation: mormons provide 'free' labor 'digitizing' ancient handwriting
decimation: so you can text-search census records
mike_c: mircea_popescu: two lines above are one example.
mike_c: dunno who chashew and bolzer are, but they have the same key.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this bs.
mircea_popescu: well, im pretty sure assbot won't allow it for the future. i didn't know gribble did
mircea_popescu: nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ?
asciilifeform: http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/microfilm/m1106.pdf << interesting - trial of otto skorzeny
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlfLrv )
BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2015/02/skool-nerse-time.html
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Skool Nerse Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlfKnr )
asciilifeform: l33t35t german
decimation: asciilifeform: clearly what you need to do is fashion a tool to 'capture' the microfiche screen
asciilifeform: everybody who wants, is probably using pNohe as 'minox' already.
asciilifeform has never yet been to a library where patrons are arse-searched, but there's always a first
decimation: it's odd that google didn't see fit to send an intern or two over there to digitize what the national archives has
mircea_popescu: im sure that's not what's the impediment
mircea_popescu: ;;google fetlife butthurt
gribble: Butt Hurt Report Form - Scribd: <https://it.scribd.com/doc/7771818/Butt-Hurt-Report-Form>; Hurt Feelings Report - Scribd: <https://www.scribd.com/doc/82744858/Hurt-Feelings-Report>; How to make friends on FetLife for the hard of thinking - Not Just Bitchy: <http://www.notjustbitchy.com/how-to-make-friends-on-fetlife-for-the-hard-of-thinking/>
mircea_popescu: so distinct...
mircea_popescu: !up mmeyer
ben_vulpes: mmeyer, eh?
mmeyer: hi
mmeyer: quite in here
decimation: from whence do you hail?
ben_vulpes: <mmeyer> quite in here << you did make it, yes :P
mmeyer: I'm confused, new to irc
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: <mmeyer> I'm confused, new to irc << Many people are indeed new compared to IRC. Meat odometer just rolled over and yet IRC is still older than me
decimation: mmeyer: what made you want to join #bitcoin-assets? It's interesting to learn where folks come from.
mmeyer: I searched and it said good conversation in here, from MN/USA
mmeyer: also have some interest in bitcoin
decimation: ah, well this is the right place to learn
decimation: if you go to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com in your browser you can read the past logs of this channel - it is recommended reading
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCJTOI )
ben_vulpes: mmeyer: "it" << what, though?
ben_vulpes: these unqualified pronouns don't work too well
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/the_wrong_lessons_of_iraq.html << this one's fucking exquisite.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Wrong Lessons Of Iraq ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlmQs8 )
BingoBoingo: Under 100,000 blocks left. OOM kill happened in the interim
mircea_popescu: "Here's an example I fear no one will understand. The Iranians took 15 British soldiers hostage. The soldiers surrendered without a fight (ironically, so as not to start an international incident), and then pretended to go along with the Iranians. They did the song and dance "we are bad, we are imperialists, Ahmadinejad is good, we're sorry, thanks for being so nice to us" and were eventually released. So I'm sure t
mircea_popescu: hose soldiers were thinking, "look, I know who I am, I know I'm not a coward, I'm not helping the Iranians, but I have to do whatever is necessary to get out of this mess." What they are saying is that they can declare who they are, and what they do has no impact on it. "I am a hero, regardless of how I act." That's the narcissist fallacy. Whatever they may think about themselves, the fact is that they did help the
mircea_popescu: Iranians, and they are not heroes. But I can see that it is ego protective, I can see why they might take this perspective."
mircea_popescu: so fucking on point it bleeds.
mircea_popescu: "Here's the part Americans can't get: why would Iran put them on TV when everyone is going to know it was forced? Unless you are saying that the Iranians, and only the Iranians, are so completely delusional that they actually believe the servicemen were thankful and apologetic, then this show had to appeal to some broader audience. Other people had to believe this was the real thing. Is it possible-- and I'm just
mircea_popescu: asking here-- that we are the only ones who don't believe these statements were meaningful?
mircea_popescu: In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?""
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54234 @ 0.00043038 = 23.3412 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?"" << AKA argument by "FYIAD"
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007159 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007161 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:33; decimation: then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that eve
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:35; decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
BingoBoingo: ;;ud fyiad
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FYIAD | Aug 26, 2007 ... Top Definition. FYIAD. Fuck You, I'm A Dragon Originated in some lame back-and -forth furry argument, but when you think about it, it's a good ...
mircea_popescu: do you know what this guy was saying in MAY 2007 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70400 @ 0.00043969 = 30.9542 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: But now things are different. Not since the 1980s, and before that never, has there been this much M&A activity, share buybacks and privatization. While this boosts share prices in the short term, as privateers bid up the price in a takeover, there's a huge downstream cost: the company is no longer public. You don't get to profit from it unless you work for it. Each privatized company, or the private equity firm
mircea_popescu: who owns it, becomes a little lord. You want money? They demand your service. It is the opposite of owning a stock, where you demand their service. It's more than just a concentration of wealth among the few. It is also a concentration of control, and, more importantly, risk. You may not be able to profit from it, but if something goes bad, for sure you'll be asked to pay for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if metansa exists, that's why he disappeared : they hired him.
BingoBoingo: Didn't start reading him until fall 2008
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo quite exactly. "fuck you, i'm a dragon". "because i say so". you seen /search-and-destroy/ ?
BingoBoingo: I don't recall. I'm still deep in the libations that are getting me over the meat odometer rollover.
mircea_popescu: you absolutely gotta see this film.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/search-and-destroy/
assbot: Search and Destroy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlpDBy )
mircea_popescu: and happy bday yo!
BingoBoingo: Ty
mircea_popescu: do they have cake delivery where you live ?
BingoBoingo: Not delivery. Aunt made a delicious monster of a chocolate on chocolate recursive cake.
BingoBoingo: Had beef tongue for dinner.
mircea_popescu: o hey! cool!
BingoBoingo: If there is a part of the cow that tastes more like beef than the tongue I have yet to meet it.
decimation: BingoBoingo: ever had beef (ox) tail soup?
BingoBoingo: Indeed, delicious. Oxtail is also good slow cooked on a kettle grill and finished in sauce a lot like people do with pork and brisket.
BingoBoingo: Brains and eggs I remember as being good, but since this continent has deer with CJD and the UK had mad cow, have to settle for making it with pork brains.
decimation: some folks think that there are beef cows with cjd too
decimation: in the us
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't doubt it.
decimation: https://www.prosper.com < lol silicon valley loan shark
assbot: Personal Loans and Online Investing - Peer to Peer Lending - Prosper ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlrCWu )
BingoBoingo: People catch Brucellosis in "Brucellosis Free" states. If I accept the meta-NSA exists its common name is most likely the United States Department of Agriculture.
ben_vulpes: now there's a great conspiraci(!) theory
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Adlai: "and many humans will find themselves the new horse: unemployable" - cgp grey
Vexual: I think if brussexels had a look at northern Australian, they would say 'don't bother'
Vexual: Jakarta bullocks at 2 / km2 is all youll ever do
Vexual: Peanuts failed and how will we get an inspector anywhere?
BingoBoingo: It's alright. The US peanut butter salmonella scare was traced back to birdshit in the peanut processing plant
Vexual: Fuck those peanuts
BingoBoingo: http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/liberty-justice/make-britain-safer-bring-back-handguns/
assbot: Make Britain safer: bring back handguns « Adam Smith Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/17k6AbY )
mircea_popescu: i remember the times i could safely eat oxtail soup
mircea_popescu: fucking idiot brits srsly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120300 @ 0.00043079 = 51.824 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up wolverine
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: why ty bb
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: and happy bday!
ben_vulpes: another amusing tidbit from apple's wholesale collapse in quality on the desktop: no longer does the right arrow in iToonz skip to the next track.
mircea_popescu: wht does it do ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Did Apple even release iTunes ever for Mac OS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.0004398 = 36.2835 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: highlights the next album, displaying its tracklist.
ben_vulpes: oh wait
mircea_popescu: well i never used it, so dunno
ben_vulpes: if you switch to "songs" view then the right arrow does the expected thing
ben_vulpes: and the old ui returns, nearly unmolested
ben_vulpes: this is topologically identical to the "Surface" shitshow, where when the retarded windows touch ui gets in your way you can get rid of it and go back to classic windows, with which one interacts with a stylus.
ben_vulpes: baffling.
pete_dushenski: what itunes version ?
ben_vulpes: whatever the fuck that means
ben_vulpes: http://www.goethe.de/ges/umw/prj/kuk/fot/roj/enindex.htm << apropos of nothing, really
assbot: goethe.de/climate - Gallery - Villar Rojas, Adrián - Goethe-Institut  ... ( http://bit.ly/17KAOGb )
pete_dushenski: doesn't mean much i suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00044043 = 10.7024 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: i have 11.0.1 on this machine and even it's far messier and more byzantine than the older versions i seem to recall
ben_vulpes: those early ipods were phenomenally well designed.
pete_dushenski: and they fetch a pretty penny now too
ben_vulpes: i used nearly every mpwhater whatever object during that time
ben_vulpes: aw, really?
ben_vulpes: i gave one away recently
pete_dushenski: oh ya
pete_dushenski: re goethe thing: "a dingo ate my baby" is the first thing that comes to mind
ben_vulpes: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-COLLECTORS-Apple-iPod-classic-2ND-Generation-MAC-10-GB-ORIGINAL-BOX-/181536114101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a446545b5
assbot: RARE Collectors Apple iPod Classic 2nd Generation Mac 10 GB Original Box 718908423851 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/17k9Yna )
pete_dushenski: oof
pete_dushenski: ya, $600 for a used 1st gen 5gb
pete_dushenski: which i seem to recall being $500 in 2001 bucks
ben_vulpes: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1353 << this page is actually omitting the best ipod that was ever released
assbot: Identifying iPod models - Apple Support ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBJGT )
pete_dushenski: so not exactly investment grade art
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the best being ?
ben_vulpes: http://www.atpm.com/9.08/ipod.shtml << here we go
assbot: ATPM 9.08 - Review: iPod (30 GB) ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBNGD )
ben_vulpes: ah, no it's there
ben_vulpes: this was actually the best design they ever produced.
pete_dushenski: that was the first one i had too
ben_vulpes: the buttons were physically separated from the scroll wheel
ben_vulpes: glowed this beautiful neon orange.
ben_vulpes: and it was *fast*
ben_vulpes: had a great internal db.
mircea_popescu: The system is designed with simply one outcome in mind: keep the poor with high recidivism rates and minimal social resources in jail-- a sort of half-way house for the disenfranchised-- until you can't possibly justify it any longer, and then give them a quick trial, accept the guilty plea ("what guilty plea?") and sentence them to time served and probation-- where you can add further controls.
mircea_popescu: It's debatable whether keeping potential terrorists in Cuba is a good idea. But when the State starts using pyschiatry to manage their population... I know you think I am exaggerrating. I'll bet you're not poor.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. << yes. because they were built around exactly one core value. "what's that for ? fuck you, you're not putting that in here."
mircea_popescu: exactly opposite of systemd "doocracy"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, you think i don't get this?
ben_vulpes: apple only worked because there was one guy at the helm.
ben_vulpes: now ives is steering things and they're trumpeting their solar deals, working on 'watches' and spreading rumors about tesla acquisitions.
mircea_popescu: not just one guy. one guy who systematically hit everyone over the head with crazy ed's snippers encased in concrete
mircea_popescu: but yeah im sure YOU get it. still, a log's a log!
ben_vulpes: gotta leave something between the lines.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: more lines.
ben_vulpes: which reminds me: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/17KCIa1 )
cazalla: i opted for the creative jukebox.. what a piece of shit that was
ben_vulpes: HAH
pete_dushenski: lol
ben_vulpes: i'm in the top 12 for the past twelve months
ben_vulpes: twice!
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i had a rio riot
ben_vulpes: also had a creative jukebox
ben_vulpes: also had all the sony cd players that did mp3s before portable hdds were a thing
ben_vulpes: there was this hilarious embedded ram arms race
pete_dushenski: "Unraveling a mystery that eluded the researchers analyzing the highly advanced Equation Group the world learned about Monday, password crackers have deciphered a cryptographic hash buried in one of the hacking crew's exploits. It's Arabic for "unregistered." "
pete_dushenski: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5 hash using a computer that tried more than 300 billion plaintext guesses every second. After coming up empty-handed, they enlisted the help of password-cracking experts, both privately and on Twitter, in hopes they would do better. Password crackers Jens Steube and Philipp Schmidt spent only a few hours before figuring
pete_dushenski: out the plaintext behind the hash e6d290a03b70cfa5d4451da444bdea39 was غير مسجل, which is Arabic for "unregistered". The hex-encoded string for the same Arabic word is dbedd120e3d3cce1."
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell the_scourge hey ninjashogun managed to crap more lines into the log over a longer time than you. howzat feel?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ^somebody was watching team america re-runs while hacking
pete_dushenski: "dirka dirka mohamed jihad!"
pete_dushenski: that, or kaspersky needs to hire a few more people with brains
ben_vulpes: password attacks don't cross languages?
ben_vulpes: man security world must be even more esl than i was given to understand
pete_dushenski: which, given that kasp is sponsoring an f1 car is probably also true
ben_vulpes: dictionary* attacks i mean to say.
pete_dushenski: one would've hoped
pete_dushenski: but kasp is pretty big, and therefore one of there "rubber-stampers"
pete_dushenski: *these
pete_dushenski: they don't need to actually work
pete_dushenski: as alf would call it, it's "security theatre"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00046409 = 36.1758 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: so the towelheads humilated kaspersky, sending him to twitter for help?
ben_vulpes: good job, boys.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What does resource usage look like when synced?
pete_dushenski: http://www.kasperskymotorsport.com/fileadmin/content/images/slideshow/2015-scuderia-ferrari01.jpg << for motorsports fans, kasp logos can be seen on along the side and top of the front nosecone
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17kcCJO )
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'll let you know when i get there
ben_vulpes: !up pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: do you even have your keys handy?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Alright Just wondering, because my personal 0.7.2 WTF build should sync sometime next week at the latest
ben_vulpes: 0.7.2.W
ben_vulpes: i'm endeavoring to sync a portatronic build
ben_vulpes: and a more-or-less patched-up-to-date-with-mailing-list dynamically linked build
ben_vulpes: and my poor aws instance is laaaaaboring
ben_vulpes: qa for the foundation - what a gig
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00047349 = 14.1337 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Mega lol >> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/st_louis_should_move_to_illinois_it_doesn_t_belong_in_missouri_anymore.html#
assbot: St. Louis should move to Illinois: It doesn’t belong in Missouri anymore. ... ( http://bit.ly/17kesKv )
ben_vulpes: split?
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mircea_popescu: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5"
mircea_popescu: dude srsly... ars presenting cracking of md5 as ahigh tech exploit ?
mircea_popescu: did they also catch some "russian sleeper agents" through the time honored spycraft of hussling random vacationers ?
pete_dushenski: fat hairy dude with speedo, big black sunglasses, and foreign accent must be russian spy!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68076 @ 0.00047306 = 32.204 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ""Our idea was, if the first hash means 'unregistered' in English, would it be possible that the second hash means 'unregistered' as well, but in Arabic?" Steube said. "So we tried to download some Arabic expansion packs for [website commment app] vBulletin, which is the forum software that was attacked here.""
mircea_popescu: im so impressed.
pete_dushenski: "The Great Internet Power Grab: We’ve come a long way from Steve Jobs as ‘phone phreak’ to Tom Wheeler as ruler of the Internet." << should i know who tom wheeler is ? if he's someone, why isn't he here ?
mircea_popescu: by the way, as commenter points out. https://github.com/FetLife << ruby/mysql running on ubuntu.
assbot: FetLife · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17khjTL )
mircea_popescu: that thing's epic.
pete_dushenski: i have no interest in paying for a wsj sub to see the rest of that article, however
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: He's the FCC commisioner
pete_dushenski: eh no wonder he's not here!
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.78, Best ask: 236.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 236.32, 24 hour volume: 11264.62358106, 24 hour low: 231.44, 24 hour high: 241.23, 24 hour vwap: 236.465583945
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00044094 = 17.3289 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: except "we" haven't come. THEY have gone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004557 = 15.6761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 448 @ 0.00482207 = 2.1603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00044803 = 20.699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115750 @ 0.00043528 = 50.3837 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00044618 = 24.0937 BTC [+]
punkman: cazalla: a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few << I pitched this idea a couple times, guess the time has come for it?
punkman: https://bitbucket.org/abfg/gildedtxt/src/601f1fddd338/exchanges/
assbot: abfg / gildedtxt / source / exchanges — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3TJk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00042875 = 25.6393 BTC [-]
punkman: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/526d498ae4b0a8c91472d7d7/t/54e0fd8ce4b05417978a5abb/1424031121397.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9LVmo )
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-Avwh6CYAAl_aS.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9McWf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 406100 @ 0.00043313 = 175.8941 BTC [+] {6}
punkman: http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2015/02/the-research-mobile-internet-traffic.html
assbot: Positive Research Center: The research: Mobile Internet traffic hijacking via GTP and GRX ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9Nm4h )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132052 @ 0.00042452 = 56.0587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00042442 = 1.6552 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00043523 = 14.1667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62546 @ 0.00042393 = 26.5151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2404 @ 0.00042157 = 1.0135 BTC [-]
cazalla: punkman, oh nice, that'll be a help
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00043035 = 3.4643 BTC [+]
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0xZG9XZ5w
assbot: Damo and Darren - 'Skatepark' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17dx7YW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20013 @ 0.00042808 = 8.5672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65450 @ 0.00042071 = 27.5355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00042043 = 9.9415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4245 @ 0.00042019 = 1.7837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00042018 = 22.9628 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021145 << incidentally, whippits are also sold in sex shops. surely the local systemd has monetized pleasure? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:59; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2015#1021140 < i know of a guy (elementary school classmate) who did it on a sloped road. lost a few front teeth. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:31; danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00042912 = 3.5188 BTC [+]
jurov: catching up with logs and on 'ic printer' ... perhaps fpga-like discs burnable with bluray are more feasible?
jurov: but I have no idea who can be motivated to develop this.. certainly not bezzle valley
jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90532 @ 0.00041986 = 38.0108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00042709 = 30.0031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85593 @ 0.00041967 = 35.9208 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai feels sorry for reference frames that classify sudden di[tz]zyness as "pretty high"
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/british-darkmarket-ricin-arrest/
assbot: British Darkmarket Ricin Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSqZRu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00042709 = 25.4546 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: height=194563 vs height=183404
danielpbarron: 5400 rpm drive is.. stupidly slow
danielpbarron: might only be useful for copying an already synced chain onto
danielpbarron: i'm sure once it's caught up i'll do fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86950 @ 0.00042361 = 36.8329 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: damn susan sarandon is not a bad piece of ass in rocky horror, nothing on magenta but better than the pixelated c64 shit back in the day
chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2956058/Russian-researchers-expose-breakthrough-U-S-spying-program.html
assbot: Russian researchers expose 'NSA's Secret Weapon' to spy on every computer on Earth | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/17lyV1I )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00042306 = 13.2841 BTC [-]
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021517 << Thanks! I'm starting to realize the value of it over the winshits and macshits; that being having control over your computing. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 23:48:30; mircea_popescu: lobbes wd.
lobbes: I have no idea what is running on my bill-gates machine, but I can find that answer in less than a second on my Debian VPS
lobbes: can't wait until I know what I'm doing enough to throw off the 'windows shackles' altogether
cazalla: lobbes, full blown aids
cazalla: now with linux i thought i was clean but turns out i was just hiv positive
jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know
mircea_popescu: lol i kept messaging assbit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00042869 = 30.0512 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: lobbes yes. the problem with it is that it's addictive, and soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general << i thought this was naturally a part of the aging process. i.e. "the old man".
cazalla: yeah, i hate everything, oh happy day i throw all these computers in the fkn bin
mircea_popescu: it's not part of the aging process, it's part of the society going to shit.
mircea_popescu: "progress" or w/e they call it.
jurov: this seems to be related with you avoiding stupid people around you
mircea_popescu: wtf was that uberridiculous site back in 2012, that people ended up signing up as other users etc ? bitdaytrade ?
cazalla: farmers gon' farm
jurov: when i chose not to avoid them, there's other kinds of frustration but not the "everything goes to shit" feeling
mircea_popescu: jurov right.
lobbes: jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know << yeah, that seems to be the theme of everything I learn. Which plays into the 'addiction' point MP made. "There's more to learn!"
lobbes: which seems to end with ultimate disatifaction lol
lobbes: such is life, eh?
cazalla: lobbes, that's an aussie saying ya know, ned kelly and all that
cazalla: bogans get it tatted across their chest or tramp stamped if woman
lobbes: cazalla: I'll admit I just googled that. I always thought it was of 'French origin'
lobbes: 'c'est la vie'
lobbes: I dig aussies, though, so I'll go with that origin
cazalla: well ya wanna be a true blue fair dinkum aussie cunt ya gotta get ya such is life tat to go with your southern cross tat
lobbes: cazalla, okay but tramp stamp or chest?
cazalla: depends if you're a bloke or sheila
lobbes: bloke, but if I ever get thrown in jail it would be almost poetic if I get butt-raped
cazalla: are you some type of shirt lifting poofter or wut
lobbes: ahaha
lobbes: naw I'm just fucked in the head
mircea_popescu: sheila ahaha.
thestringpuller: u wot m8?!?
cazalla: thestringpuller, u taking the piss mate? u having a go? u wanna go?
cazalla: tmw is such a write off after drinking this much
mircea_popescu: ;;ud tmw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tmw | Shorthand for "Too Much Work". Used to describe situations or happenings that are just too much work to bother doing or participating. Also goes by TMW, or tee  ...
cazalla: tomorrow
cazalla: which is todaya
cazalla: this is one of those, i sorta know the answer to my question but im gonna ask as if im clueless anyway
mircea_popescu: i actually had no idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115450 @ 0.00042912 = 49.5419 BTC [+]
cazalla: 3am drunk cooking, what can i come up with!
cazalla: kebab be good though, remembers me about some doner discussion here at some point
cazalla: donair, that was it
cazalla: the fuck is a donair
lobbes has fuzzy memories being drunk in the DR; buying a kebab from some street vendor. Probably over-paid
cazalla: not sure you can over pay for a good kebab
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66105 @ 0.0004257 = 28.1409 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: super cazalla
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96657 @ 0.00042306 = 40.8917 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic.
asciilifeform: ranging from mere omission of the fact, certain as daylight, of it being a usg production (with no attempt whatsoever inside to disguise their characteristic turdware tradecraft, note)
asciilifeform: to misrepresentation of what the interesting part of the payload is
thestringpuller: what is the interesting part of the payload?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79740 @ 0.00042306 = 33.7348 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: most egregiously in the english-speaking press: 'crank bait' sensationalism - 'every box on the planet is owned!' designed to chip away at the credibility of kaspersky
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021563 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 01:41:05; asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system
danielpbarron: i've seen such sensationalist headlines as "the only way to stop the NSA from spying on you is to smash your hard drive"
ben_vulpes: fukkin payroll
ben_vulpes: fukkin pay as you go taxes
ben_vulpes: fukkin cashflow
ben_vulpes: fukkin clients
ben_vulpes: fukkin fukkin fukkin
ben_vulpes: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-16/euro-area-finance-ministers-talks-with-greece-break-up-on-rift << grexit when
assbot: Greece's Talks With Euro-Area Finance Ministers Break Up - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK83n9 )
ben_vulpes: grexit nao?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00042912 = 8.3893 BTC [+]
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punkman: what, no grexit bitbet
punkman: oic two rejected grexit bets
punkman: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b9l-8zbkFmUJ:www.danielpipes.org/rr/2014-10-dabiq.228.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
assbot: BEFORE THE HOUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKema9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00042912 = 9.741 BTC [+]
punkman: ^ from some ISIS magazine: "The revival of slavery before the hour"
mircea_popescu: is isis migrating towards some sort of millenarism ?
punkman: that's where they started isn't it
mircea_popescu: i thought they started more from jihadish ideas.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.0916 = 1.0992 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: fffff
thestringpuller: oops
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but the millenarian rhetoric was there from the beginning
punkman: "Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah
punkman: , whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse."
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "CLAM to hit 0.015 or higher before March 3rd" http://bitbet.us/bet/1088/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 62(Y):38(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.53421 BTC. Current weight: 15,132.
ben_vulpes: punkman: links plz?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042133 = 14.1988 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: ben_vulpes: for?
ben_vulpes: rejected grexit bets
ben_vulpes: nm nm
ben_vulpes: hm there's the "any exit
ben_vulpes: by april"
ben_vulpes: sorry for wacky posts, arms are jelly from pushups
mircea_popescu: punkman you will notice this guy is an australian preacher.
punkman: mircea_popescu: of course he is ;)
mircea_popescu: i have no wonderment for how anglos are reinterpreting arab ideas in their own framework (which, for this purpose, is strictly millenarism)
mircea_popescu: just, there's a difference between isis becoming so infested with westerners it starts thinking like them and isis simply being mistranslated.
mats: 01:41:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago ... << link? a googling wasn't helpful
mircea_popescu: anyway, the misfortunate eu allies of the us are now getting in greece the argentine beauty come to roost.
mircea_popescu: should be interesting.
punkman: mats, this guy I think http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=1
assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKk0t4 )
mircea_popescu: in other news, the "toilet seat debate" has been resolved. http://38.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_n4q32bciEb1st3pp0o1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKmasx )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00042665 = 12.0742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51264 @ 0.00042912 = 21.9984 BTC [+]
punkman: https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/web/4894818972.html
assbot: WEB DEVELOPER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKomAg )
mircea_popescu: "Must multi task by helping answering phones, excel data upkeep etc.."
mircea_popescu: clearly.
mircea_popescu: "This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???"
mircea_popescu: holy shit wait, $12 an hour ?! in la ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom.
mircea_popescu: usually one's short of gunmen.
mircea_popescu: !up wolverine
mircea_popescu: !up Xuthus
ben_vulpes: just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns
ben_vulpes: this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones.
mircea_popescu: i guess. but this is a definite meritous future thing for s.nsa to pursue.
ben_vulpes: unsurprisingly.
mircea_popescu: hory shit you're so right im bashing you.
mircea_popescu: !b 5 ✂︎
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NPCGB7.txt )
ben_vulpes: stahp it hurts
ben_vulpes: from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob
mircea_popescu: maybe iut just sucks ?
ben_vulpes: how would I know...
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't as though i ever had good taste in music beat into me.
mircea_popescu: it's not even worth stealing, yo.
mircea_popescu: gramps.
ben_vulpes: well and how would you know?
mircea_popescu: didn't you just say ?
ben_vulpes: no, i said i have no idea if it's any good.
ben_vulpes: i have no context or anything to judge music against.
mircea_popescu: is nowhere to be found on the public trackers <<
mircea_popescu: ergo, not worth stealing.
ben_vulpes: yet trivially available on UToob
mircea_popescu: that ain't stealing.
ben_vulpes cocks an eyebrow
ben_vulpes: nah man this goes back to why a btc torrent thinger isn't worthwhile
mircea_popescu: all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me
ben_vulpes: people copying content have no taste
ben_vulpes: that one was for you
ben_vulpes: i was hoping for a /mircea_popescu eyes a cockbrow
mircea_popescu: ahahaha oops
mircea_popescu: imagine if a dude had a thick fat unibrow
mircea_popescu: and his roommates kept drawing balls on one side.
ben_vulpes: perhaps next time i take a whack at my bush i'll sculpt it into a cockbrow
mircea_popescu: it's disconcerting to cocksuckers.
ben_vulpes: let 'em squirm
ben_vulpes: they do anyways
mircea_popescu: and now, voice rampage.
ben_vulpes: ratings season!
mircea_popescu: !v artilekt
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
mircea_popescu: !up artilekt
mircea_popescu: !up bertani
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMatt
mircea_popescu: !up chiral
mircea_popescu: !up cjc
mircea_popescu: !up CryptoGoon
mircea_popescu: !up d9b4bef9
PeterL: hello lurkers!
mircea_popescu: !up eric
mircea_popescu: !up evian11_____
mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli
ben_vulpes: such a cheery morning to you all!
mircea_popescu: !up gernika
mircea_popescu: !up hegemoOn
mircea_popescu: !up hguux__
mircea_popescu: !up guntha_`
mircea_popescu: !up hktud0
asciilifeform: chip fab << i've been doing some (mostly theoretical) work on the subject, for some years. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
mircea_popescu: !up itkin
mircea_popescu: !up Jezzz
mircea_popescu: !up Jrum
mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
mircea_popescu: !up Keefe
mircea_popescu: !up knotwork
mircea_popescu: !up kushed
mircea_popescu: !up kuzetsa
PeterL: asciilifeform: are you setting up a clean room in your garage?
mircea_popescu: !up Lycerion
mircea_popescu: !up m4rCsi
Lycerion: ayyyy
mircea_popescu: shit im bored
PeterL: hello Lycerion, how are things?
lobbes: lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function
Xuthus: mircea_popescu, why don't you go and code something ? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: yeah learn you a common lisp or something
ben_vulpes: BE USEFUL
mircea_popescu: lobbes nah. io should stop spamming. Xuthus i don't actually code worth a shit.
Lycerion: PeterL things are well, hooby is hoobin, life is good
ben_vulpes: ;;ud hooby
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooby | (abstract noun or proper noun) A person, especially one not mentioned by name. Hooby doesn't have one. Who? Hooby! Hooby who? by krom23456 January ...
asciilifeform: PeterL: any fab process that requires clean room is ipso facto irrelevant to the question of 'home fab'
ben_vulpes: ^
ben_vulpes: "garbage fab"
mircea_popescu: it could be clean breadbox.
mircea_popescu: but not room
asciilifeform: clean football-sized compartment is difficult enough in jungle conditions
asciilifeform: ditto high vacuum
PeterL: how big is a chip fab clean room?
mircea_popescu: depends on how big the fab is
asciilifeform: PeterL: factory floor
ben_vulpes: 500 - whole buildings
mircea_popescu: the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean.
asciilifeform: the thing that absolutely must be understood by anyone with any inkling of an interest in the subject is
ben_vulpes: also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required.
mircea_popescu: proof of this being the cosmic space.
asciilifeform: it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down' ☟︎
asciilifeform: no good at all
asciilifeform: have to reinvent the entire stack.
mircea_popescu: no, im sure this is understood.
PeterL: need to reinvent it at a smaller, cheaper scale?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the folks mentioning clean rooms show symptoms of not having understood
asciilifeform: PeterL: emphatically not. not 'smaller cheaper' what-they-do-now.
asciilifeform: entirely different process
mircea_popescu: basically this is quickly becoming a problem of logjammed. "we need a decent-er system design, to make oses on". "yes, for which we nbeed a new chip paradigm". "yes, which really needs better systems design for oses and such". "yes, which..."
asciilifeform: that would have considerably less in common with the existing one than 'cd-r burner' with pressed aluminum disks, or '3d printer' with injection mold press
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00042313 = 30.2538 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypothetical chip fab experiment does not require new computer.
mircea_popescu: motivation to make it however, does.
asciilifeform: and yes, it would have some resemblance to cd-r
asciilifeform: but realize that cd-r 'cheats' by having existing guide marks
mircea_popescu: i wonder, and bear with my layered ignorance on all matters of import, but i wonder :
mircea_popescu: is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ?
PeterL: and cd-r moves basically one dimension
mircea_popescu: you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ?
mircea_popescu: as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's actually reminiscent of one idea i looked into - optical logic produced photographically via laser
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: basically, I want to play music ? i can now get a 5 x 6 sheet of polyester, glue cds on it printed with this thing, and plug it in.
mircea_popescu: it .. sort of... kinda plays derpy 8 bit mono something.
asciilifeform: but cd-r blanks ain't it.
asciilifeform: intrinsic spiral pattern in the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: i just meant, use the items somehow.
asciilifeform: it isn't a universally-addressable polar coordinate laser cutter, if you were wondering.
mircea_popescu: it'd literally be a repurposing of garbage.
mircea_popescu: it isn't, but then again maybe it could be.
mircea_popescu: after all the disk is flat.
mircea_popescu: for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ?
asciilifeform: resistive ?
mircea_popescu: start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't.
asciilifeform: well no doubt
asciilifeform: but what was the music box ?
asciilifeform: and, related, historical,
asciilifeform: ;;google lightscribe
gribble: LightScribe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightScribe>; LightScribe direct disc labeling - Why buy HP?: <http://h71036.www7.hp.com/hho/cache/315116-0-0-225-121.html>; Lightscribe Media - Direct Disc Labeling, Lightscribe Discs (DVDs ...: <http://www.verbatim.com/subcat/optical-media/lightscribe/>
mircea_popescu: !s resistor dac
assbot: 0 results for 'resistor dac' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=resistor+dac
asciilifeform: ^ one vendor sold cd-r drives (and disks for extra cost with specially-coated labels) that contained fw to translate raster to polar, and print stickers
mircea_popescu: o no fucking way
asciilifeform: !s covox
assbot: 4 results for 'covox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=covox
mircea_popescu: this was discussed i swear
mircea_popescu: aok
asciilifeform: ^ there we go
asciilifeform: had to jog memory
mircea_popescu: the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game.
mircea_popescu: specifically because it doesn't.
asciilifeform: tempting example, but not a very good one - the basic idea of a dac hasn't changed
asciilifeform: since first one was built from resistors in the '30s
mircea_popescu: the basic idea of a computer ALSO hasn't changed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77835 @ 0.00041964 = 32.6627 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: basic idea - sure
mircea_popescu: it's what you said.
mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but completely rather than just "progressively".
asciilifeform: but in practice, it has. i have a $$$$$ fpga board gathering dust because realized that it is impossible to implement ddr2 controller (and drive any available memory of reasonable density) without reversing the entire chip
mircea_popescu: why do you want ddr2 is the question ?
mircea_popescu: which is where it ties into "new os"
asciilifeform: i'd love to expunge -all- existing ic
asciilifeform: but eliminating stock ram is three or so notches of crackpottery above the rest of it, even.
mircea_popescu: well here's the thing : there's no way to expunge part of it.
mircea_popescu: if you do it, you do it all.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> 0 results for 'resistor dac' << you know this came to 0 because you had to ruin steming ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: what do you have to say for self nao alf!
asciilifeform: can still switch it on, iirc
mircea_popescu: yaya.
asciilifeform: and it'll return every single line ever logged, lol
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: (i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance)
asciilifeform: well literally 9 of 10 searches i ever did on that page returned garbage specifically because of stem
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap ☟︎
asciilifeform: much less refine brass
asciilifeform: - that - continues to happen in izhevsk
ben_vulpes: i recall a story from a stephenson book, about a machine that computed with chains run through computing boxes
ben_vulpes: as the chains moved through the boxes, the boxes flipped bits on each link
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he had another book where computing happened by specially trained singers belting out gregorian-style chants
ben_vulpes: now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is called 'ladder logic' among factory automation folks
ben_vulpes: myes, i've been brutalized by it.
mircea_popescu: the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
mircea_popescu: gotta to revert to that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ultimately factory is an artifact of craftsmanship
asciilifeform: so in that sense craftsman never died.
mircea_popescu: in this sense your senator's also your representative.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: assbot is pretty rugged isn't he.
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
asciilifeform: ah - that.
asciilifeform: well, yes.
asciilifeform: !s naggum binders
assbot: 2 results for 'naggum binders' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=naggum+binders
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felipelalli: if you will learn something, invest in Haskell or Scheme.
asciilifeform knows both quite well, does not use today
felipelalli: it's nice, isn't?
asciilifeform: what is ?
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/extinctextincterextinctest.html << orlol
assbot: ClubOrlov: Extinct—Extincter—Extinctest ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCC6Ix )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00042644 = 4.5842 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: http://nopiracy.org/ << this is a thing now
mircea_popescu: "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
mircea_popescu: considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
punkman: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-February/054580.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCERJY )
mircea_popescu: what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders"
punkman: "URGENT: RNG broken for last 4 months"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: great win for freebsd.
asciilifeform: the folks responsible - have names.
mod6: yikes
asciilifeform: for some reason we hardly ever hear the names
asciilifeform: and they tend to recurr
asciilifeform: but i really can't think of a good reason why anyone should be able to pull this shit twice.
mircea_popescu: gurney tho ?!
asciilifeform: exposed
asciilifeform: not authored
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the authors.
punkman: where is the open source shame list
mircea_popescu: afaik he fucked it up.
mircea_popescu: punkman jurov's maintaining the pride list.
mircea_popescu: so, everywhere else.
punkman: no I mean we need a website with names and photos
mircea_popescu: also, apparently it's current, not stable.
mircea_popescu: so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production.
punkman: ah I assumed current meant stable
mod6: no -STABLE is stable
asciilifeform: a great many freebsd users, at least at one point, ran 'current'
mircea_popescu: yeah apparently lots of people did.
mod6: current = uber-crasher
mircea_popescu: yeah i dunno that you can do that today asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: freebsd's been a total loss since the llvm thing
asciilifeform: that was an enemy flag being hoisted
asciilifeform: surrounded by heads of the fort defenders
jurov: what pride list?
mod6: everytime i've ever followed -current i end up with a lot of panic!s
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.77, Best ask: 244.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.73000, Last trade: 243.77, 24 hour volume: 12580.91158750, 24 hour low: 232.01, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 240.070244407
mod6: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/introduction.html << 1.8 & 1.9 outline what each -CURRENT & -STABLE are meant for. if anyone was still confused.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3ip1X )
mircea_popescu: jurov you know, the signed commits thing
mircea_popescu: !up rotarydialer
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/
jurov: it's signed patches not commits and it's in disarray right now :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30761 @ 0.00042375 = 13.035 BTC [-]
jurov: have to make some dough first, then i can finally fix it
jurov: btw, anyone needs sysadmin? some deals fell through
mircea_popescu: jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: you defo have enough experience to handle it.
jurov: i have plenty experience with using VPSes, not with running them
mircea_popescu: weren't you running an open bash server at some point ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it << yeah!
jurov: okay i'll consider it
jurov: re: simpleshell.com everything in chroot was killed after 15 minutes, that's is quite a difference from permanent setup, and abuse reports were last blow
mircea_popescu: if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that.
mircea_popescu: but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117300 @ 0.00042759 = 50.1563 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i see this is serious and there's interest. but the last obstacle is i must do this together with someone, it needs someone on duty 24hrs
thestringpuller: all humans must sleep
thestringpuller: what about Namworld?
jurov: namworld is not with bitvps anymore, and they're imo pretty lame
mike_c: you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency.
asciilifeform: call ft meade, they'll work for phree
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mod6: lol
lobbes: I wouldn't add much value, but I'd work for free as an extra set of hands/eyes. You'd still need someone that knew what they were doing, of course. Plus I wouldn't be available 24/7 so maybe I'd be no use lol
lobbes: Sounds like a cool learning opportunity though
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor
asciilifeform: where medical students have 'learning opportunity'
asciilifeform: but rather something that has to actually work...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform's wrath bit flips on
jurov: lobbes if you want, i can give you simpleshell.com to learn it's low maintenance, but also low profit
jurov: (low 10's monthly from ads)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm simply used to seeing that phrase as shorthand for 'it's ok for me to utterly fuck this up, right, because results couldn't possibly be important, aha?' ☟︎
lobbes: asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor << Fair enough. Point taken
jurov: https://web.archive.org/web/20140207213824/http://simpleshell.com/ << twas this. clicking on the button gave you real shell
assbot: Free Linux shell access ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3opHP )
lobbes: jurov: thanks for the link. I got my own VPS to fuck up, though. ;)
jurov: and back to topic, currently i'm about reselling aws stuff, that's a start. i know some trustworthy people here that do vpses, i'll ask them for cooperation
asciilifeform: aws << damn
asciilifeform: phuctor, in particular, really wants a genuine machine
asciilifeform: (cpu-bound)
asciilifeform: afaik no one is offering - or -has ever- offered these - for btc...
danielpbarron: "Every word out of your and MP's mouths is disgusting. Your vision for Bitcoin is disgusting. Everything about you is disgusting. I can't wait for everyone decent to prove to you just how wrong you are about everything you've said in all the threads and blog posts about this fork." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10493254#msg10493254
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3phwi )
asciilifeform: tilt lol
jurov: they do hae "dedicated" instances, but i'm not pressing the point
asciilifeform: ruinous cost
asciilifeform: and wtf, actual computers are extinct or what
mike_c: ruinous for 1. not ruinous for many.
mike_c: the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances
asciilifeform: well yes, but mine is not a high-budget operation
asciilifeform: i need precisely one box.
mike_c: well, that's why jurov resells them.
mike_c: (in the future)
asciilifeform: i would also like it to be a fucking -actual computer-
asciilifeform: not an aws chimera
mike_c: why? then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down.
jurov: virtual hardware can eat shit too
asciilifeform: ^
mike_c: and does all the time. and is replaced trivially
jurov: well, have you read what herbijudlestoids wrote?
jurov: it's all but trivial
asciilifeform: wai wat
mike_c: recently? don't think so.
jurov: or i miisunderstood what's he doing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00042375 = 27.798 BTC [-]
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1018043 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-02-2015 04:02:23; herbijudlestoids: openstack based IaaS clouds
jurov: and lines below that
mike_c: hm, that seems different. enterprise cloud management.
mike_c: but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me.
mike_c: if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability
mike_c: look at the trouble mpex has had over the years.
jurov: you know, aws itself recommends "to get best reliability, have servers in multiple availabiltiy zones"
jurov: so, again, all but trivial stuff
mike_c: yes, i know. but i don't think you're disagreeing that colo will have lower reliability?
jurov: oh you're arguing reliability? i missed that
mike_c: i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack.
mike_c: it won't be cheaper. for the same reasons.
jurov: which service? if it's phuctor, i can imagine it relies on sole access to fast SSD storage.
jurov: this isn't something given on aws
mike_c: he said its cpu bound. but you can get IOPS provisioned on aws
mike_c: and the service is: computing power for btc
mike_c: or, vps for btc (dedicated instance coming soon)
asciilifeform: mike_c: i don't -want- aws
asciilifeform: of any kind
asciilifeform: i do not want it in the zoo, ☟︎
asciilifeform: i do not want it with a gnu,
mike_c: mhm. for unspecified reasons
asciilifeform: i do not want it in a ham,
asciilifeform: i do not like it, sp4m i am
asciilifeform: to paraphrase the poet
mike_c: 1) you're lying because you are hosting nosuchlabs on it right now.
asciilifeform: i am!
asciilifeform: and don't like it
asciilifeform: would like to get off!
jurov facepalms
jurov: mike_c pls don't alienate my customers
mike_c: hehe
asciilifeform: no lie there - i told everyone it's languishing on aws.
jurov: if they know what they want, im not pressing it
asciilifeform: at no less than 30-50 usd/mo
asciilifeform: out of me lunch money
mike_c: don't listen to what they say. he is paying them, obviously it's the best option right now.
mike_c: customer's don't know what they want
jurov: l0l
asciilifeform: mike_c: worse than this. 1) i'm paying 2) not getting terribly much, have ~5mil keys that have not been dumped in on account of - elementarily - lack of cpu
mike_c: listen to what they do, not what they say. marketing 101.
mike_c: asciilifeform: so if you could get dedicated instance from jurovvps at non-ruinous cost this would be a good thing.
jurov: so you want me to sell him c3.something aws instance and lie to him it's physical?
asciilifeform: i've said it at least thrice, and will say a fourth time - all s.nsa expenses that are denominated in usd have been de-facto fronted by yours truly
asciilifeform: who has no safe way of converting so much as a bitcent to usd.
mike_c: jurov, no, don't lie. you could sell him exactly what he has now, but in btc, and he'd probably switch.
mike_c: down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes
mike_c: and he'd buy that. he would still complain, but he'd pay.
jurov: at that price maybe a seat at my guerrilla home router.. but that one has only a celeron and main computer is too noisy to keep on all time
jurov: but i'll be asking around , we'll see
jurov: btw, dedi aws is not one-time cost. they ask $2/hour if *any* is running in the region
jurov: do your maffs.
mike_c: one-time not the right word. it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box.
mike_c: so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x.
jurov: and you're buying, like 10 of them?
jurov: or anyone here?
asciilifeform: for perspective,
mike_c: jurov is. and selling 1 to ascii, 1 to somebody else, etc.
asciilifeform: i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo
asciilifeform: for unrelated purpose
asciilifeform: no hidden costs
asciilifeform: no surcharges for bandwidth
asciilifeform: etc
mike_c: the hidden cost is when it eats shit.
jurov: was it ever ddosed?
mike_c: that too
asciilifeform: yes
asciilifeform: and remained standing
asciilifeform: the sheer audacity of the industry bamboozlement virtually everywhere - is astonishing
jurov: "remained standing" isn't hard. "they didn't kicked me" is.
asciilifeform: didn't kick, either
mike_c: did you get abuse reports? did they stand up to those?
asciilifeform: now that, didn't try
mike_c: (not sure if aws would either on that count..)
asciilifeform: for that, fix is generally easy, host in .ru
jurov: aws will forward them to yo
jurov: "explain or else"
asciilifeform: but this is not a problem i have had the honour of having
mike_c: jurov: but which way do they lean? to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off?
jurov: i didn't dare to find out just to keep a toy afloat
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kakobrekla: this is a classic, do it right with ev- or do it wrong
jurov: !s abuse from:jurov
assbot: 4 results for 'abuse from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abuse+from%3Ajurov
jurov: nope. i'm certain i talked about it here before.
kakobrekla: prolly stemming issue
mike_c: !s abus* from:jurov
assbot: 7 results for 'abus* from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abus%2A+from%3Ajurov
kakobrekla was jus trollin
mike_c: :)
mike_c: kakobrekla: did you have any thoughts/opinions on wot dupe key issue?
kakobrekla: you want dupe keys?
mike_c: i want there not to be dupe keys.
mike_c: but there are.
kakobrekla: there are?
mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
kakobrekla: maybe imported from gribble
mike_c: i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint. maybe boot the offending nicks from the db?
kakobrekla: this takes us another step further away from a potential cross sync doesnt it
mike_c: ugh. perhaps.
danielpbarron: SetBestChain: 1 of last 100 blocks above version 2 << anyone else seeing this in their .bitcoin/debug.log ? does it have to do with 0.10 coming out?
punkman: blocks version 3 now
danielpbarron: well.. 1 in 100 at least
punkman: oh and they are already talking about version 4
danielpbarron: bu-but.. the forum poll said it had 60% support!? how can this 1% be?
asciilifeform: axe-time, sword-time, coming closer.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/
punkman: well v3 brings strict signature format, not such a bad thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00042659 = 6.9321 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: punkman: not bad thing if -we- do it
asciilifeform: if phoundation does it - cure for cancer is bad thing.
asciilifeform: ipso facto.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i prefer hammer time
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/v2.log.txt << it looks like the "version 2" thing got up to 5% of the hashrate and then dropped down to 1% over the course of the last week or so
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AiV4Iq )
asciilifeform: 'Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs. Reindexing using earlier versions will also not work anymore as a result of this. The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won’t support.'
asciilifeform: ^ shitgnomism without limit
danielpbarron: also, the links to the public log from s.b-a.link add an extra unnecessary '/' in the root directory
danielpbarron: link still works
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: holy fuck this thing completely fucks up the blockchain. (0.10)
thestringpuller: this box will need nuke to cleanse :(
asciilifeform: 'be smart - don't start'
thestringpuller: the power rangers have outdone themselves this time...
mod6: It's a shit-blizzard, Randy.
thestringpuller: ^-- this is great description
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Phoundation Client is as if Ricky wrote it.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156700 @ 0.00043403 = 68.0125 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74809 @ 0.00042659 = 31.9128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127410 @ 0.00043522 = 55.4514 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40590 @ 0.00043714 = 17.7435 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://longmountaingeneralstore.com/images/products/detail/03415571.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9N40Z )
lobbes: !rate jurov 1 Letting me derp about to get http://simpleshell.com/ back up and running
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a433a6dc63a3e33a
assbot: SimpleShell ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9NBjH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27157 @ 0.00043735 = 11.8771 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.0004339 = 27.5743 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: in other news
asciilifeform: i managed to order a couple of boards from that weirdo board house
asciilifeform: costing almost exactly their weight in gold
asciilifeform: and with >2wk lead time
asciilifeform: curious if what arrives, actually works
asciilifeform: (these were rng boards, which are analogue devices and for which i have means of testing conformance to spec)
asciilifeform: the shop is a very new one ('macrofab') and their ordering gizmo is buggy as all hell
asciilifeform: but finally agreed to take the money...
Adlai: "Snapchat seeks new funding at up to $19 billion valuation" ie, "one interchangeable centralized messaging service butthurt over inferior valuation, seeks to call and raise"
thestringpuller: LOL
danielpbarron: !up hdbuck
thestringpuller: They need more mone already?!?!?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004339 = 2.0827 BTC [-]
Adlai: gotta push the $ in $napcash
danielpbarron: hdbuck, nice forum post :D
asciilifeform: in yet unrelated, yet other news,
asciilifeform: gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild ☟︎
asciilifeform: (gnat-gcc-4.3.5)
mircea_popescu: cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00042902 = 15.4876 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla for your qntrian consideration: https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3TzyJ )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo too ^
asciilifeform: (for folks following the gnat thread, http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeldman/ada-project-summary.html )
assbot: Who's Using Ada? ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3THyf )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00077898 = 2.3369 BTC [-] {5}
pete_dushenski: shkoopaloop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/17/the-fable-of-willful-ignorance/
assbot: The fable of willful ignorance. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTS2Gz )
pete_dushenski: ^featuring the late great mike hearn
mircea_popescu: heh okat
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla i forgot a title! please to consider "CAVIRTEX, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in Canada, closes doors out of embarrassment "
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: pete_dushenski: did you mention how many bitcoins(from IPO) have they walked away with?
pete_dushenski: yup
pete_dushenski: 4k
pete_dushenski: though they apparently "intend" to "communicate" with "loyal shareholders"
pete_dushenski: as if any of those words were descriptive or actionable
pete_dushenski: but hey, gotta pretend!
thestringpuller: oh mike hearn is undead too?
pete_dushenski: mr. heartbleed ?
pete_dushenski: oh most certainly
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo << wherewherewhere
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'corenetworks'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not the best shop in the world, but doesn't suck donkey balls in exactly the way most of'em do
ben_vulpes: waaaaa
ben_vulpes: <3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11441 @ 0.00042659 = 4.8806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37073 @ 0.00042375 = 15.7097 BTC [-]
Adlai: asciilifeform: which concern is (yes) meant to answer?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in what interesting and special ways *does* it suck?
asciilifeform: Adlai: wai wat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: generally, you get what you pay for and 'tanstaafl.' the 25 usd box (if they've any left) won't be a 64-core pleasureopteron
Adlai: "i'm renting a physical *(yes)* box" <- as in, "have i visited the box personally and confirmed that it occupies the same reality as me? _yes_"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did learn how to read a datasheet in the mines.
ben_vulpes: just 'cause this one has css doesn't change the selection process.
asciilifeform: Adlai: if it's a vm, it passes all known tests for physicality (incl. timing) and the hypothetical fakers should not settle for the small change of running a hosting co., but go into malware
ben_vulpes: ty nevertheless
Adlai: asciilifeform: ok, $25/mo was seeming awfully cheap for a datacenter where customers visit their inmates
asciilifeform: now, despite fact that 'you get what you pay,' the sc4mz0rz who try to herd common folks into 'enterprisey' golden toilet service contracts are still scum
asciilifeform: but they've largely succeeded in destroying the 'golden median' between goldentoilet and vm crapola
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? <- nope, gribble checks upon registration if the key is already in use.
Adlai theoretically should migrate scalpl to somesuch bare minimum hosting... but the current box hasn't broken yet, so there's nothing to fix!
asciilifeform: that being, modest 'grey haired' boxes (as old as p3) with a modest mirrored raid, mechanical disks, half a gb of ram
Adlai: half a gb!
asciilifeform: what.
thestringpuller: that used to be a lot back in da day
asciilifeform: unless you're in the physics model business, that's -still- enough for any sane application
Adlai: it's enough for my development bots
Adlai: yep
mircea_popescu: nanotube well somehow mike_c found a case.
asciilifeform: Adlai: boxes that -i personally- could visit where i live start around ~1k usd/mo
asciilifeform: at the lowest possible end.
Adlai: http://i.imgur.com/7Hl2wBb.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC8gv4 )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
asciilifeform: Adlai: how come you don't use 'save-lisp-and-die' ?
Adlai: some mix of: lazyness, the desire to periodically load my code into a fresh image, and ansi cl portability
asciilifeform: also why exactly are the separate instances running as separate unix processes
asciilifeform: (rather than sbcl threads)
asciilifeform: sbcl supports proper (native) threading for ages now, iirc
Adlai: "Tasks: 27, 90 thr"
asciilifeform: that doesn't answer why it needs >1 sbcl running
Adlai: it's 3 images for 4 bots, the two on the same exchange share an image; it's currently *possible* to run multiple on multiple exchanges from the same image, see 'lazyness etc'
Adlai: also nice to have some level of isolation if i royally screw up one image
Adlai: swap is there as a failsafe, it ran just fine 101 days without it, but i'd rather not take chances if things go crazy while i'm asleep