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PeterL: you know, you could pm him -fetch
PeterL: if you pm him, you don't need to include scoopbot, just -fetch
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 17:57:08; kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
cazalla: i don't know if anyone saw that ipad game that pays out 0.0001.. i fucked around with it for an hour or so and earned 0.0003, i'm sure some indian is setting up a sweatshop to farm it 24/7 as we speak
PeterL: what do you do in this game to earn it?
cazalla: asciilifeform, but this app pays out the moment it awards you, i'm trying to think of a homer simpson drinking bird means of doing it but no go
cazalla: you wouldn't bother playing it for the payouts but i'm sure someone for who $2 a day is a lot would find it worthwhile
mircea_popescu: cazalla $2 a day can't be a lot if you're stuck with a $500 piece of machinery + the bills for its maintenance.
PeterL: davout: let me know if your posts don't show up
kakobrekla: actually i can just make assbot pm scoopbot 'fetch' every 30 seconds and noone will ever know i fixed it.
mircea_popescu: can it be set so it scans every minute, on a diff second by the blog list ?
PeterL: kakobrekla: scoopbot is set to check blogs every 5 minutes, some people are impatient
kakobrekla: i just find the whole fetch command thing silly.
PeterL: I think it might have been 15 minutes when I first made it?
PeterL: well, cazalla asked for it, and it seemed easy enough to include
kakobrekla: 5 is better i guess idk rss sucks scam
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla srsly polling much more frequently than that's just a waste.
kakobrekla: yes there is only 20 years of internets left to go around
mircea_popescu: PeterL i even excluded your parser from teh branding programme
mircea_popescu: if you look at the feeds they start with a token which describes the parser for my use
mircea_popescu: i used it extensively in the 2010-2011 period to identify and ban content spinners
PeterL: Is that what that garbledy gook is at the start of the feed summary is?
PeterL: EG "NjkuMTYyLjY0Ljgy What's anon talking about ?"
PeterL: so that tell you what parser accessed your site?
mircea_popescu: then if i see my stuff republished on mfa farms/whatever later on, it's trivial to ban the leech.
PeterL: aha, I see. please don't ban me
PeterL: "NDkxNDIwODUyMDg4fDY5LjE2Mi42NC44Mg== What's anon talking about" I think it got longer?
PeterL: well, there are two, one for the scoopbot and one for the blog agregator
PeterL: is that going to take some time to take effect?
punkman: asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2 << lack of hosting admin, mostly
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month << I accept that
PeterL: punkman: you are saying the thing works, you just need a server to run it on?
punkman: no it needs a sysadmin for the server, plenty of servers to be had
punkman: Azelphur offered to do it couple of days ago, but too late I guess
undata: asciilifeform: thank you sir; I will
PeterL: " bullets with enormous electric charges would be accelerated in a special valve and emmited with several times the velocity of light." <<< lol
decimation: asciilifeform: "Germán Armando Plett’s knowledge was scraped together from the ‘Deutsche La Plata Zeitung’ (German La Plata Newspaper) and the nightly German radio broadcasts he was devoted to." << shortwave broadcast is dying, I guess because internet
decimation: deutsche welle, in particular, doesn't broadcast in german anymore (to my knowledge)
decimation: I think Russia still operates their Russian foreign broadcast service
decimation: the problem is that the 'image' of shortwave is AM broadcast, but nothing prevents advanced digital schemes
PeterL: how high of bandwidth could you transmit over shortwave?
decimation: well, it's not just the high noise - it's also the terrible multipath that arises due to ionospheric propagation
decimation: but multipath can also be an advantage...
decimation: PeterL: a 'standard' shortwave channel is 4 kHz in width, through which you can push maybe a few kilobits/sec depending on what kind of scheme you are using
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.) << could leave it right to the rainfall collecting bucket
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be that the entanglement experiments come to fruition, and shortwave as well as the current telco version of internet become obsolete at the same time.
mircea_popescu: instead, people having in their house the quantum equiv of gossipd
decimation: asciilifeform: herr shannon's limit ultimately governs your ability to push bits through a channel
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, that's kind of what that's designed with in mind. if we get quantum boxes, gossipd will be the killer app for it)
decimation: indeed, as well as fine-grained details like your latitude, time of day, solar flares, etc
mircea_popescu: but that'll happen before "quantumcomputing" of any description, so...
assbot: VOACAP Online - professional-grade high-frequency (3-30 MHz) point-to-point propagation predictions ... (
http://bit.ly/1I4R1mm )
decimation: (that is a web 2.0 'front end' to the prediction program
PeterL: would 3-d printing help in manufacturing on of those tesla valves?
mircea_popescu: "The botnet is not made entirely of home routers; some of the infected hosts appear to be commercial routers at universities and companies"
mircea_popescu: orly. im sure they're "commercial" in a sense other than, "moar bezzle"
mircea_popescu: "While you’re monkeying around with your router setting, consider changing the router’s default DNS servers to those maintained by OpenDNS."
mircea_popescu: it's funny how these write-ups never fail to include some call or other to "join the horde"
mircea_popescu: the agenda of computing security is moved towards increased pwnability in the exact same way and for the exact same reasons the agenda of political discussion is moved towards increasing socialism.
mircea_popescu: but one can readily understand why a verizon for dns is worse than any alternative.
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mircea_popescu: i'm counting it as a marketing expense, unless we win, in which case hey, free money.
decimation: lol ascii did you put your last bitcoin on 'no'?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5407 @ 0.00066646 = 3.6035 BTC [+]
decimation: lol "According to the government’s complaint (PDF), the email address that Gustafson provided on his U.S. passport application was the same one he allegedly used to maintain a Facebook account under the Jack Farrel alias."
mircea_popescu: wtf bs "right to be forgotten". there's no such right, unless they're forgotten they're remembered.
beautyon: The enemy must be contacting all the miners in private to get them to switch. Or is that irrelevant?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo am i thick or is the answer about as related to what it quotes as gavin's "covered" is related to economy ?
mircea_popescu: beautyon even if a vast majority of miners switch it still doesn't do anything for him.
mircea_popescu: doubt they will. some pool ops might be clueless enough to try and hijack the network to please gavin/usg, but that's ok, they'll get shot later.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just building a metaphor based on Past Trilema posts which is surprising easy when you write as much as you. I figure the Tundra artichokes can be worked into a sort of Tarqin/Poppy reference.
mircea_popescu: i had plainly forgotten that article, imagine my surprise when i see an unfamilir title called up and the server actually respond.
beautyon: mircea_popescu: Surely he must know in that case that he cannot possibly win and this change will be rejected. It means forsaking control of the future direction of the standard and ceding it to you.
BingoBoingo: Well isn't that what Trilema's for. So you can save your memory's immediate recall juice for more pressing issues.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: Gavin really doesn't even seem to like Bitcoin that much anymore.
beautyon: BingoBoingo: Then he should walk away. Unless he _likes_ being a lightning rod.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: Well he can't quit without becoming a nobody so he prolly figures he might as well try to kill the thing himself.
mircea_popescu: beautyon i don't think you understand how the us politico mind works.
beautyon: BingoBoingo: I actually believe that might be true on a subconscious level. Astonishing.
mircea_popescu: as far as they're concerned, any stupidity they try is ok, "nobody could have foreseen it won't work" and it's putin's fault.
mircea_popescu: i fully expect them to try, fail, and then spend the next six months writing how mp is a scammer all over reddit/the boy's bathroom
BingoBoingo: ;;google stock exchange holders on welfare
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com stock exchange holders on welfare
mircea_popescu: i don't know that vessenes' happy scamfarm is or ever was involved in anything to do with standards.
beautyon: mircea_popescu: as long as it stays on Reddit that's fine. They had better prepare to back down quickly, or suffer losses. Sadly these feeble men run to the courts habitually which may or may not be a nuisance.
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mircea_popescu: vessenes' outta dough, the rest of the scammers involved are barely solvent and burried under tons of lawsuits (karpeles, caleb, ver, kenna, you name it)
mircea_popescu: they recently announced "they will focus on btc core", ie, "we can't afford anything past gavin's salary". and not even that for all of 2015.
mircea_popescu: so... it's a wart in full process of taking care of itself.
decimation: I wonder why there is so much action against gold
beautyon: Andressen, Wilson, Brito: two multi millionaire Statists and a Washington wonk, hell bent on the law. It will be interesting to see if they are for fork / suicide.
joecool: mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks???
mircea_popescu: beautyon who then ? that guy with a blog, whatever it was called ?
assbot: 2/ the answer is not to ignore them or fight them. the answer is to educate them, inform them, and work with them
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts he's allowed to commit anything past words in this matter.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he's welcome to participate in bitcoin just as soon as he completes his log reading stage and persuades anyone his head's not full of straw.
beautyon: Their loss of control is going to harden their attitudes. I can't wait to see them squirm.
BingoBoingo: They never really had control of anything.
mircea_popescu: beautyon anyway, for a very instructive example of how the courts work for bitcoin "captn's of industry", there's that recent hashfast debacle
assbot: HashFast - or why the fiat legal system doesn't actually exist and doesn't actually matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1xZFUK5 )
beautyon: BingoBoingo: That realization will make them even MOAR furious. They are out of time, and these silly associations are window dressing at best.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: I don't see how they could not know. I mean they can't even get their favorite to stop bleeding because they pay $145/CPM for TV marketing
mircea_popescu: yeah, a lot of ground has been lost since the hearn attack.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, i marked mtgox for death in april, they struggled to prop it for six months before abandoning it ignominously, i do not believe they do not know they can not stand.
mircea_popescu: actually... quarter i guess. buncha people left last year too didn't they. is murky boy still involved ?
beautyon: That HashFast schmuck had good lawyers.
beautyon: But didn't he just walk away essentially?
mircea_popescu: this is the rule in corp bankruptcy proceedings as administered in the us
mod6: <+joecool> mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks??? << yup.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer. << Personal bankruptcy differs in that you get a lawyer because it compells phone spam aggro to their number and not yours
mircea_popescu: sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets.
decimation: personal bankruptcy is basically a well-oiled chumpatron
joecool: mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr)
BingoBoingo: <joecool> mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr) << He prolly has a historical version of his patch set s should be fine with it.
beautyon: By the way, are you going to publish a low level guide to warn everyone thinking about "upgrading" to the fork? Forearmed is forearmed.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets. << Nah, you get the lawyer in personal ESPECIALLY when you don't have assets
assbot: If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1xZHeMT )
joecool: mod6: are there plans to patch things like change predictability?
joecool: 0.5.3 is the version linked on thebitcoin.foundation
mod6: joecool: not at this time, but that might get added to the list at some point.
mod6: the list is getting lengthy, but we're not going anywhere, so we've got time.
joecool: cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this?
mod6: if persons submitting patches do not have L2 trust with assbot they may be submitted directly to me, and I will review. and will probably have to sponsor said patch myself.
joecool: nah shouldn't be a problem, i have L2
joecool: format looks easy enough to follow, cool
mod6: yup, shouldn't be an issue for you. we'd love the help.
mod6: asciilifeform: ah ok. hmm. well, too late to go back and edit the 1st patch. but i guess you can submit another that resolves that issue.
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mircea_popescu: joecool> cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this? << definitely that part.
mod6: asciilifeform: sure. ben & myself were just discussing this yesterday actually. heh. not sure what this version will be called yet.
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 05:06:33; asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines
mircea_popescu: someone refresh me on what exactly that vuln was anyway ?
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assbot: Bug 462046 – net-p2p/bitcoind, net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: multiple vulnerabilities (CVE-2013-{2272,2273,2292,2293}) ... (
http://bit.ly/1xZJG6c )
mircea_popescu: 2293 i recall was a retarded dos that had about 0 practical use
joecool: i guess should look and see how they patched the behavior
mircea_popescu: but since we're discussing this, CVE-2013-2292 is still not fixed ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yteah i am quite unhappy with an' suspicious of the current avenues for fixing "open source" software.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a point of strategy, which i think everyone'll appreciate cuz it's lulzy. so : the scam foundation and its merry band of power rangers have very carefully constructed this situation where "nobody knows" what's what and whence it came and where it's going, because they (wrongly) perceived that ownership of an opaque codebase will guarantee them control and continued relevance.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this approach is that once challenged, they can not i nfact produce a list of what they did.
mircea_popescu: outside of handwaves and "it has been covered in previous posts", three years of "development" can readily be discarded and nobody'd know the difference.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you have any idea what sort of work's involved in coughing up wunderwaffen that weren't planned for ?
mircea_popescu: what do you think this is, some sort of wh fast tracked project ?
decimation: what would a 'wunderwaffen' even be like? some kind of fatal bug they secretly fixed?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ? << Hearding 101. If the sheep don't want to move on you let them get hungry in their overgrazed pasture. Makes them more receptive to new grass.
decimation: asciilifeform: based on their current work 'output' that scenario seems very unlikely
BingoBoingo: It's systemd all over again. Work is their enemy. Enemy is merely interested in producing anti-work.
xe4l: in review, onerng pros: cheap, shielded cons: hobbyist level device, design flaws
decimation: lol yeah that poster is hilarious. the best cattle *volunteer* for the bioreactor
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
BingoBoingo: Related: We just detected that you’re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah. Bitcoin accepting merchant "Okcupid". Simply probing a data aggregator that happens to accept BTC.
xe4l: anyone using traffic creation software to mask activity? Eg: all internet connectivity from residence is routed out vpn(s), using QOS and traffic simulation software you maintain say 10mbit worth of various traffic (replaying or creating all relevant encapsulated protocols in use) with a low QOS setting such that your consumption is undetectable?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Related: We just detected that you’re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama. << ahahaha wut.
xe4l: in this context, not really actually
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: why are you on a zoophile site ? << it's not a zoophile site. it's a women's site.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nominally they accept Bitcoin and the same founders also made the Keybase.io thing. Gotta see if the average man on it looks worse than an ungulate.
assbot: Here's part n of our endless saga, aptly titled "The People Know Shit" or alternatively "Nothing's Dumber Than The Voice In The Crowd". pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1AUMssM )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: actual woman on dating site? lol wtf << Site in question kept my dick wet through Library school.
mircea_popescu: xe4l there's a deeper point involved here. stealth does not work in and of itself, as a strategy. if you want safety, you deploy an army. if you want to play the stealthy, you attach yourself to something with an army.
xe4l: I'm quite aware of Opsec
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But since the founders made the Keybase abomination, I want to find out how much their original venture lies
xe4l: it's trivial to detect if someone is or isn't doing what I described, it's merely a layer to mask activity inside of a segment
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
xe4l: talking about how you deal with protocol timing attacks would go more with the buried treasure opsec concept
kakobrekla: yes, good to know it works with numbers over 1k.
mircea_popescu: xe4l i guess i don't understand what the purpose would be
xe4l: it's trivial to sniff most connectivity, especially wireless
xe4l: the size, shape, duration, timing, etc of our traffic, no matter how encrypted still provides a wealth of information
xe4l: if for instance, your laptop, desktop, phone, whatever; always did 10mbit of encrypted traffic with variations in timing, packet size, etc
mircea_popescu: i think you will soon discover if you ever get to the practical side of things that denying ALL INFORMATION to an undefined attacker is a function of infinite budgets.
mircea_popescu: in general, to keep 99% out of any attacker's hands you'll need to spend 100x what they spend.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 05:22:48; mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
xe4l has a background in information security consulting for fortune 100's
mircea_popescu: David is on track to retire in two years from investing in bitcoins. David wants to help you understand the once in a lifetime opportunity this digital currency revolution provides."
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
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mircea_popescu: "david has a mental issue that makes him see vivid scenes from literature and also forces him to write about himself in the third person."
xe4l: what I'm talking about is simply providing less information, right now all of our connectivity generates a substantional amount of noise that can be intperetered, my thought is to shift that to, they are transmitting and receiving or they aren't
decimation: who is 'they', and what are you transmitting or receiving?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that's an excellent approach to make the point.
xe4l: asciilifeform: it was a crude example, a proper implementation would do fancy shaping, but normalize the overall traffic pattern; I'm sure residential providers wouldn't like this, but MPLS/VPLS, metro-e, routing over peering/IX - it's irrelevant
decimation: asciilifeform: what is comcast's 'secret' bandwidth cap these days? a few hundred gigabytes per month
xe4l: over wireless you would pulse, your receiver would always transit and receive say 10mb every hour on teh hour
mircea_popescu: xe4l i don't get what the attacker is supposed to think here. "oh, it's ok, that's just what that weird node does" ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles. << Obvious hypothesis, they found a Wasp cache and kept the rifles
decimation: like those magnets you stick to your gas tank to improve fuel economy
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 04:40:04; *: asciilifeform rather thinks that this is a military matter, where adversary can afford to ransack and search 100 houses but not 100,000, and hence his gathering bits of info - matters
BingoBoingo: Cheap is prolly fine as long as you use enough cosmoline and can find solvent, but yes. Selling specifically for rifles problematic.
xe4l: mircea_popescu: oh the point would be that a sniffer would either see say 1mbit full duplex say ipsec traffic
xe4l: mircea_popescu: if the endpoint isn't doing anything, the software saturates the encrypted tunnel up to the same traffic volume/patter/protocol
xe4l: think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD
xe4l: no one can tell if your node is even doing anything or if it's just all white noise
xe4l: lol valid point, few organizations other than the NSA have any idea if data is moving or not
BingoBoingo: xe4l: You idea seems to introduce of getting v& for DDoS as plausible reason even if attacker can not tell your actual schtick
xe4l: the idea is to reduce the number of data points that can be gathered from sniffing
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise searching 100k houses just "creates jobs" right ?
mircea_popescu: if it were a military matter they wouldn't cut the walls offhouses.
mircea_popescu: <xe4l> think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD << o that's what this is, you fixing what you read about tor vulnerabilities recently ?
xe4l: mircea_popescu: haha, naw, TOR has a host of issues; this is merely a security layer if contemplated deploying
mircea_popescu: so thinking further on the project to compare ecdsa libraries from yest... i guess the best thing would be to email respectable crypto people see if they want to do it as a contracted job. anyone wish to make recommendations ?
mats: colin percival, moxie
TomServo: kakobrekla | i just find the whole fetch command thing silly. << If it was named scoopdog that'd be one thing...
joecool: hm i wonder if he ever pops on irc, his co has a small channel
mircea_popescu: experience over the past few years shows that answer is generally yes
mats: 'defense' is kinda misleading imo
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mircea_popescu: "fix the damned software" "nu-uh, we'd rather look for bugs in the chinese's" "they're using the same shit, you know"
mats: ...suggesting that computers as they are can be proportionally defended, rather than a contest of risk management and attack surface
mircea_popescu: mats if i defend my windows, i look for holes. if i attack your windows, i... look for holes ?
mircea_popescu: obviously, on a strategic plane the difference would be "stop making broken by design software ; behead all the shitgnomes ; adopt bitcoin as us currency" etc.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. so, stallman-gcc, is at odds with stallman-emacs and they don';t wanna talk inside his head because cacti ?
mats: ive read it several times and concluded a) i dont get it and b) f/oss is embarassing and dumb
mircea_popescu: apparently there's some debate about ast output in gcc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the gcc-emacs merger seems slowly but surely emergent
mats: id like to see gcc contribs move over to llvm, if for no other reason than to motivate both parties
mircea_popescu: i have not looked at the matter in at least 3 years. does llvm still own gcc much to everyone's chagrin and denial ?
mircea_popescu: llvm compiles faster, sucks at encryption (lol) and by degrees at everything else.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo let me dig up my own words from the damned logs
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 08:24:54; mircea_popescu: he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march
assbot: MassPrivateI: Mass. law enforcement agencies claim they're corporations and they're exempt from FOIA requests ... (
http://bit.ly/14D8PX1 )
mircea_popescu: "While I have often cautioned people before to avoid using libsecp256k1
mircea_popescu: for verification on the grounds that consensus trumps correctness, the
mircea_popescu: above incompatibility does strongly suggest that OpenSSL may not itself
mircea_popescu: have very good consensus-critical design. Along with Maxwell and
mircea_popescu: Wuille's recent findings¹ CVE-2014-3570 - strong evidence of the
assbot: Bank of America warns of 'lethal' damage to China's financial system as deflation deepens - Telegraph ... (
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mircea_popescu: excellent testing the library has undergone - I personally am now of the
mircea_popescu: opinion that migrating Bitcoin Core to libsecp256k1 in the near future
mircea_popescu: is a good idea on the grounds that it provides us with a well-written,
mircea_popescu: and well-understood library designed with consensus in mind that'll
mircea_popescu: probably give us fewer consensus problems than our existing OpenSSL
mircea_popescu: dependency. It'll also help advanced protocol implementations by giving
mircea_popescu: them a clear dependency to use when they need consensus-critical
mircea_popescu: unless there's some sort of major backdoor in wuille's ecdsa implementation...
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima get on teh comparison requests tomorrow. if anyone has more names to suggest as per above...
mats: asciilifeform: ive only seen this specific issue get airtime in the last few months
mircea_popescu: not that THAT is a bad move in any sense, of course. but timeo Danaos et dona ferentes.
mats: but yes, i agree with the premise re: gendarmerie
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mats: BingoBoingo: chimps are terrifying.
mircea_popescu: you mean, has anyone considered how idiotic "update now" is ?
mircea_popescu: yes, actuyally, they have. here even, publicly and explicitly.
mircea_popescu: first, there was one man, who couldn't code, doing idiotic things like windows and qt.
mircea_popescu: then there was a group of youthful men doing what seemed clumsy but well meaning stuff
mircea_popescu: then they were cast out and a bitcoin foundation constructed.
mircea_popescu: seems very reasonable really. how short would you have put up with it ?
mircea_popescu: side note : i read someone (maybe joel on soft ?) in a wonderful piece "why i never upgrade" and i've never been able to find it again. ne1 know it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's characteristically weak in the rhetorics involved.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt half his closest collaborators grok what he means on the strenght of his text. you yourself, i suspect, followed the logic of the situaiton not the logic of his words.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, so, i don't understand wtf he's saying either.
mircea_popescu: this proves harem in the sense person offering large stores of grain to dissinterested cad thereby proves cat's a farmer.
mircea_popescu: in my limited experience with harems and the people keeping them, you can more or less get a trial run. especially as a young, entused woman.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically, gaddafi was regarded as similarly odd,
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: 'When the glorious Muammar Kaddafi, in his blue bournouse, or in his uniform, appear on the telly, the domesticated inhabitant of the sanitaria jerks from fright. 'Monster,' 'terrorist,' 'evildoer,' public enemy number one - the media calls him, led by its disdain for all that is envigorating (and, on top of it all, foreign), and pushed by false information supplied by CIA... ...his very existence is
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: a videoclip of a fairy tale coming true... ...they [americans] also wish to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy, taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily transforms into hatred. The leaders of the sanitarium are easier for the 'patient' to understand, closer. He sees their permissible pecadillos,
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: eased with their mediocrity. 'But this fellow from the desert!' (Interestingly, that among the hundreds of tyrants, in uniform and without, depending on the united states or the european sanitaria, none provoke a fraction of the wrath caused by Kaddafi. Evidently, the cause is his independence.) Kaddafi - is an extraordinary living proof of the fact that the fairy-tale version of life remains possible
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:41; asciilifeform: t only outside of the sanitaria.'
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mircea_popescu: tl;dr : gnome twerp is "I’d strongly encourage you to refrain from such comments in the future.", because that's how the world works nao.
mircea_popescu: still, they're funny. guy derps about how "concerns echoed again and again are ignored!!11" and is amazed. then people echo again and again the concern that "wtf loosen up" and "why are you publishing some guy's emails ?" which he... amazingly... ignores. why ?
mircea_popescu: "because he wqon't read me! and there's no other way to vent my little penis!"
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mircea_popescu: sometimes i shudder at the thought at how comparatively harder and humoruless-er my life would have been, had i chanced to live among sane people.
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2014 16:05:38; asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: only worth reading if there's a source other than alexander lebed circa 1997.
mircea_popescu: "The enduring emptiness of our technology debates has one main cause, and his name is Tim O’Reilly."
mircea_popescu: whodda thunk making a shitton of "x for idiots" books will result in a large bleating herd of idiots!
mircea_popescu: (ethymology also interesting : stallman's favourite pressman - evgeny morozov - running down o'reilly because he's not left enough!!)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the relative failure of foss is strictly due to the incongruous and often misshapen radical leftist ideas of stallman. had that thing been "the same old gospel of individualism, small government, and market fundamentalism that we associate with Randian characters" it'd not be struggling covered under a pile of open source.
mats: whoops ... wrong one. i'm reading about the Earl of Oxford's case
mats: > concerned land in London which Henry VIII had gifted to Thomas, Lord Audley, as a reward ... By his will, Audley left the land to Magdalene College, Cambridge, but the college subsequently sold the land and some of it was acquired, indirectly, by the Earl of Oxford. Magdalene College challenged Oxford's title on the basis of a statute which prohibited the
mats: disposition of College lands ... as part of the original sale, Magdalene College had made an intermediate transfer to Queen Elizabeth with the deliberate intention of bypassing the statute.
mircea_popescu: you know a simple summary of all the many ways english barristers tried to use the crown as a fixed point to unseat the lawe would be dazzling.
mats: i pity the research assistant
mircea_popescu: one example : original legislation to defend the living against mortmain holdings required all wills vest
mircea_popescu: but how ? and they came to the idea to make it vest in a definite relation to a definitely existing thing
mircea_popescu: on the principle that nothing that is is forever, and so...
mircea_popescu: the reaction ? make wills reference the throne succession. so wills would be as good as the lifetime of the dynasty.
mircea_popescu: that had to be excised specifically, which is how the wills practice got to be so insanely complicated, the us practitioners pretty much gave up.
gribble: wn: mortmain n 1: real property held inalienably (as by an ecclesiastical corporation) [syn: {mortmain}, {dead hand}] 2: the oppressive influence of past events or decisions [syn: {dead hand}, {dead hand of the past}, {mortmain}]
mircea_popescu: the dead are at the following advantage over the living : they don't feel any pressure to change their views.
mircea_popescu: to illustrate : suppose i am me, and i happen to believe that all females should spend a decade right after puberty nude at all times. i happen to be rich, and mindful of my beliefs. while i accept that i can't oder people around, i also expect them to respect my disposition of my own property. and so my will reads, that all my stuff is to be inherited by so and so successors, provided at all times all females pubescen
mircea_popescu: my neighbour, a man of different notions but similar methods, orders all black haired people to always wear square hats.
mircea_popescu: a few century later, "circus" means a place where everything's quiet. because a simple walk down the street makes one's head spin.
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015"
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assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
xiando: So I need a better WOT rating all of a sudden? :-/ oh well, life can't always be easy as pie.
kakobrekla: as dead as wot seems it still changes.
PeterL: ;;gettrust assbot xiando
PeterL: Could you self voice in the past? Maybe somebody here removed their rating?
xiando: Perhaps. But I am just this guy, you know, I rarely have anything important to say so it is fine, really. I can just idle and not be important and not write, that is alright.
PeterL: anything import to say today?
PeterL: is this a problem with openssl or bitcoin-core?
xiando: Basically a bugfix in openssl makes bitcoin-core behave differently depending on what openssl version is used
joecool: xiando: yeah it breaks it, happy to report libressl does not
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decimation: "But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
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assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 18:56:19; decimation: "But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
decimation: yeah, there's no way they will prosecute
decimation: but the little people in usg find that 'unfair'
mircea_popescu: decimation i suspect you don't understand how that world works.
mircea_popescu: xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kakobrekla bwahaha slander! i'll bet you 1btc straight up they don't do it this month.
decimation: I note someone put a hefty weight against that gold bet
decimation: to think that gold will crash is also to think that usd will gain. it's possible, with all this 'oil shock' working its way around
mircea_popescu: gold has a problem of demographic. the only people that think gold is functionally useful as a monetary metal are poor. they may be a numerous echelon, relatively speaking, what's left of the upper middle class proceeding on vague intuition and memories. however, they're poor.
mircea_popescu: and that poor speaks a lot more to power than just money.
mircea_popescu: to everyone else, gold is this quaint horse buggy. no dispute it worked at some point, no desire to go back to that point.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i built core off libressl, the response was "it builds?"
decimation: Mr. Obama will also outline proposals to tackle identity theft and expand Internet access.The proposals are part of a White House preview of Mr. Obama’s annual State of the Union address, to be delivered Jan. 20.
mircea_popescu: joecool anyway, the objection generally given to change in that spot ("that the code being merely correct is not enough assurance") is logically valid.
joecool: it's cool though, they are ditching openssl, i'm sure whatever they replace it with will do a better job :)
mircea_popescu: the exact thing played out once before, "it's cool though, they're ditching bdb, im sure whatever they replace it iwth will do a better job"
joecool: mircea_popescu: oh that was entirely sarcastic, i did not phrase that seriously
adlai: gold is the old world's litecoin
adlai: had our fun, moving along.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking that as i wrote, but then dropped. yes, an apt analogy in many ways. very inept in others tho
adlai: it got me wondering what the old world's bitcoin is, and the least senseless answer is 'bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: nah, the old world's bitcoin is an unexpressed mix of contracts and reputation.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> no chance of it, either. < putin thinks otherwise.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, putin is running a country. if you're running a country too, by all means, cover all bets to the degree he does.
mircea_popescu: makes me wonder where's your nuclear subs, but anyway.
thestringpuller: "It looks like he made his goal in life to be the most detestable person in the internet. (Methinks he is still nowhere near that rank, though.) However he is a precious resource, as an expert bitcoiner who enjoys kicking some of the most sacred cows in bitcoinland."
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, nothing you have not heard before lol
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Apocalyptic: cazalla, even "It is a possibility that the MP argument is a virtually literal strawman, atop a bonfire, to fuel a flame war that drives up his LTC holdings." ?
undata: wtf is virtually literal
undata: is that like almost true?
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thestringpuller: where you get unplugged and see all this crazy shit and at some point you hack back in and see all the dumb people completely unaware of there shit
thestringpuller: As Louis Armstrong said, "As I think to myself, was I ever this dumb?" LOL
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, reads like the only reasonable answer so far
danielpbarron: if the hard fork happens, it should be possible to cycle funds in and out of exchanges that are dumb enough to switch, splitting away real-bitcoin whenever the withdraw gives you an output that hasn't been doublespent yet -- or is this possibility too good to be true?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: May be possible. I'd count double spending your coins yourself to seperate forks before using them in anger.
danielpbarron: yes that's what i mean; withdraw, split, send fake-coins back into exchange, repeat
danielpbarron: when "dust settles," exchange is now fractional reserve (if it wasn't already)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron no, it works just fine. gavincoin has to accept both bitcoin and gavincoin txn. this writes free options to everyone in bitcoin that gavincoin is held to honor regardless.
mircea_popescu: so yes, separate your gavincoins, send to exchange, withdraw. see if it replies with a bitcoin+gavincoin pair, if so separate it again.
mircea_popescu: cold wallets may save them to some degree, but it's pretty random.
Apocalyptic: this would work only until the input the exchange is spending for your withdrawal is on both chains
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic hence "if it doesn't, it's out of bitcoins"
mircea_popescu: working on the assumption of naive exchange, of course.
mircea_popescu: in practice i';d expect them to separate their funds immediately, and only pay out gavincoins.
mircea_popescu: so they scam the userbase more than the userbase scams them
thestringpuller: also, isn't it impossible to guarentee gigachain has 1:1 parity with main-chain?
thestringpuller: by statistics alone, the transaction will very greatly in each chain
thestringpuller: so in order to defend the attack gavin would have to include code to keep 1:1 parity with the main-chain while his blocks are minted
thestringpuller: not commpletely defend, just make it so doors are wide open
mircea_popescu: 1 tx is say 400 bytes. if i split 1k btc into 1k 1 btc txn that's 400kb. if i dump 400kb on the network as it is now, about half would be put into a block immediately.
mircea_popescu: so the only way to have bitcoin is 1:1 identity in all respects.
thestringpuller: funny how even trying to dumb the article down, people still don't get that
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is exactly like that alt coin that went nowhere which was going to give everyone with bitcoin as many of the altcoin as they had bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i forget its name, but it doesn't matter, the principle is the same.
mircea_popescu: the author thought he "covered" the economics involved. then it turned out the author had no fucking idea.
kakobrekla: not yet, but its weekend now, they are prolly drinking in some bar.
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thestringpuller: "That's my point. Before you kick a sleeping tiger that has no teeth make sure you can see his gums"
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