assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 23:30:17; mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 15:26:55 <@Samsai> oh, that game << holy shit, everyone knows ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34749 @ 0.00034038 = 11.8279 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
☟︎ mod6: wow! yeah, this one didn't hit the OOM-Kill either, ran good the whole time without problems.
mod6: memory usage graph looks very similar to the previous run with the OrphanageThermonuke graph. That's expected, but just sayin'. Lookin good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105767 @ 0.00034022 = 35.984 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00034911 = 12.76 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 00:11:22; mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
mircea_popescu: i do not think i have seen a full sync with 0 pagefaults yuet
mod6: no, it's system level. all I can tell you is all that is running as far as 3rd party things are: bitcoind & nmon, otherwise i've had `vmstat 1` going.
mod6: i'll continue to do more testing. we'll hopefully get something out of it.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i agree. it's not great, but it's something.
mod6: im gonna try some profiles this month.
mod6: yup, will get to it... hopefully :] lot of things to work though this month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00034924 = 31.3792 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified. << we'll get there. I'd like to have a discussion at some point about the possible negitive effects of at least the TX Orphanage Amputation patch.
mod6: But so far, I feel good that these two patches fully sync'd and with some reasonable results.
mod6: yeah, i think just in here, we can discuss. be better for me to spend a bit of time thinking about it for a day or two.. sometime this week maybe.
mod6: ben_vulpes: should read up on this too ^^
mod6: sure. i was kinda wondering about the converse side where there is an orphaned TX, and then what? guy just resends?
BingoBoingo: Last I checked Hearn still breathes so universe is still maximally hostile.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll have to think on that a bit more. i wanna be sure of what these changes imply. anyway, a guy can always patch his own if he wishes in the mean time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 30064771079/4294967297 =... 7. so now we also have 7.
mircea_popescu: i am persuaded pretty much every prime up to 1k or so is present in the whole set.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ? << right, some sort of malformed tx or one that has some weird time in the tx that makes it get rejected or some such thing.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage' << i agree with the wisdom of this, for the reasons stated.
mod6: more over, is there a "normal" situation that arises where a guy is trying to create a transaction and it becomes an orphan? his system time is off? many things i suppose...
mod6: so [A_tx]<-[B_tx] are both sent
mod6: B is recieved before A, so B is 'orphan'
mod6: yeah, like i said, i gotta look into it. :]
mircea_popescu: practically, this might put a dent in dice type services, in the sense that it'd slow them down by ~10 minutes
BingoBoingo: Kinda why listable Satoshidice worked as it did
mircea_popescu: let's stick to considering things that have a shot at making sense.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it << Coders are like asparagus in this way. They love their easy nitrogen and phosphorous
mircea_popescu: ima think about this while playing go with people who are also thinking about this, how's that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.20538785 = 3.0808 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's not yet tried this - do. the master form of the twin study jew thing)
mod6: ok back. yeah, so... I'll dig into this for sure here this month. Hopefully sooner, rather than later. I wanna make sure the whole thing 'fits in head' before we move forward. But so far, looking good.
mod6: Also, i believe that the removal of the dnsseed is going to be on the docket as well. but again, we'll see how it goes.
mod6: yeah, alf submitted it back in feb i think.
BingoBoingo: "As for your opinion that they have a ‘right’ to safely meet, I disagree. I do not believe in rights. A right is a privilege that is enforced by a violent third party action. Rights are by definition cowardice as social artifice. "
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1974&pr=0 << Tis like a Traimatic brain injury MP
trinque: But he called the latest intrusion "among the most shocking because Americans may expect that federal computer networks are maintained with state of the art defenses."
mod6: However, this could be tabled until later; when we add in a previously discussed #b-a certified seed discovery mechanism.
BingoBoingo: gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan
mircea_popescu: trinque this entire bullshit "defenses" conceptualization. as if you know, it's tower defense, and you gotta upgrade the fire mage tower.
trinque: BingoBoingo: how hard is it?
trinque: I've thought maybe tinc might be a starting place
trinque: happens to use RSA keys and handle fancy topologies
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm not the implementer, but last word on the subject was that the implementer was working on developing a master of the moving parts first which is admirable
trinque: cool; he should hang around more
BingoBoingo: trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.20538785 = 2.2593 BTC [-]
trinque: it is most certainly something to get right.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132073 @ 0.00034761 = 45.9099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00034298 = 5.4534 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4127 @ 0.00028389 = 1.1716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00034929 = 8.6275 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00008 / 0.00008 / 0.00008 (300 shares, 0.02 BTC), 30D: 0.00006 / 0.00006491 / 0.0002 (115300 shares, 7.49 BTC)
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.32, Best ask: 223.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 223.35, 24 hour volume: 11501.2850445, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 225.77, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications | EurekAlert! Science News ... (
http://bit.ly/1AQQPr6 )
BingoBoingo: decimation: It truly has for all of 2015 thus far
mircea_popescu: decimation the reporting on that thing is perhaps the best example of how confused "science news" works.
decimation: they can't just report the facts, gotta make it some sorta drama
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.20538785 = 4.5185 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications << I'm not sure this is news
decimation: it would have been useful to have a link to the paper
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo read the piece, it's like kindergartners wrote it. not a single fact in there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.20538785 = 1.8485 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've read it and 3 others, some of which bring up what the publication contained. Basically boils down to "OMG When CSF dries up it goes the same place every other fluid does!!! OMG this connection works both ways!!!" The only thing newis is they managed to image this system, because soft tissue imagine is hard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19633 @ 0.00034128 = 6.7004 BTC [-]
assbot: Denny Hastert is Contemptible, But His Indictment Exemplifies America's Over-Criminalization Pathology - The Intercept ... (
http://bit.ly/1AQRpoK )
decimation: "In the indictment, the DOJ made the decision not to expressly specify the ?past misconduct? Hastert sought to conceal. Nonetheless, federal law enforcement officials apparently spent the day running around leaking to media outlets what the indictment worked hard to insinuate: that ?Hastert paid a man to conceal sexual misconduct while the man was a student at the high school where Hastert taught.? "
BingoBoingo: The extent of the lymphatic system has always been a bit nebulous because it tends to deflate more destructively in the un-alive. Still since most people manage to go through life without hydrocephalus it can be assumed to interact with the CNS.
mircea_popescu: e entered Congress in 1987 with a net worth of no more than $270,000 and then exited worth somewhere between $4 million and $17 million [...] alleged, unspecified “past misconduct” against an unnamed person to whom he agreed to pay $3.5 million to keep concealed.
mircea_popescu: oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ?
decimation: he is facing the court because... he didn't tell usg what he was spending his money on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67252 @ 0.00034929 = 23.4905 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: just... fucking usg numbers. they make as much sense as a pancake rabbit with a peanut on its head
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ? << He left office to lobby his networth expanded fast then.
BingoBoingo: But the expansion isn't public because no longer elected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136000 @ 0.00034352 = 46.7187 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Fuck, everything is wrong with the world today and only canada backpack guy has new-fax relevant to BTC
williamdunne: Some famous shithead here in the UK has been saying how she'll happily pay 70% taxes to keep meh public services open
williamdunne: On a similar note, just got tipped 0.3 BTC on reddit
trinque: damn son, that's an xbox game right there
BingoBoingo: trinque: Let me guess, its last name is Jenner?
williamdunne: She looks better than the monkey, thats cheating MP
trinque: chick's got a great expression there
trinque: chinese guy was gonna jump I guess, his mother found dead inside
trinque: looks like a great place to live; I can't imagine why
trinque: chick's immaculate; I approve
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid
trinque: heh, I was good friends with a guy in HS that had comparable encyclopedic knowledge of porn stars
trinque: back when loading up your external hard drive had a point
decimation: mircea_popescu: that patagonia is overvalued?
mircea_popescu: decimation or that old money is doomed, today as much as 2015 bc
pete_dushenski: the only thing more fun than a proper roasting is when the victim squirms on the spit.
pete_dushenski: the net result is that i'm pretty sure i popped my "please to take down mean words" cherry today
assbot: 5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1AQUsgK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00034052 = 27.6162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104823 @ 0.00034929 = 36.6136 BTC [+]
decimation: pete_dushenski: your jaron lanier post was amusing
pete_dushenski: i guess i managed to find a thread to pull on from his nebulous ball of rastayarn.
pete_dushenski: ah, i'm not the only one wondering who the fuck he is lol
pete_dushenski: i had thought it might've been Pierre_Rochard at first, but after today, i gotta rule him out.
pete_dushenski: a channer would've brought up details about an article... in chan.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not channer as in this chan, channer by the classical definition: an imageboard enthusiast
pete_dushenski: you may be on to something there, even if that doesn't leave us closer to figuring out who he is.
pete_dushenski: though i suppose you have an e-mail address from the comments ?
williamdunne: Reaching into the pocket his audio cable was coming from was a clear display of threat
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not a useful one, and it would be poor form to expose it if it was.
pete_dushenski: ya never know, the jesters calling themselves judges just might agree
pete_dushenski: but if you recognised it from the wot, you'd obviously know, is all.
williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
☟︎ williamdunne: "This mandate is without limitation; and is deemed valid by the company regardless of the opinion or
williamdunne: declaration of any thirdparty, regardless of what title they choose fashion themselves with." There we go
williamdunne: Nothing I'd expect anyone to know about yet :)
decimation: where is the winklevoss etf by the way
williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
☟︎ pete_dushenski: decimation: on the diamond train, 2 years might as well be 2 minutes too late
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.00035012 = 40.9465 BTC [+] {3}
williamdunne: wasn't it suspected that the SEC (or was it CFTC, or was it both? God knows) wasn't too amused with the fact that all of the exchanges are not regulated and based in God's favourite country?
decimation: but nobody has come forward with facts as far as I know
pete_dushenski: decimation: i can imagine employers shaking their 'devil hand' symbols at employees using unapproved encryption
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:03:53; *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"
decimation: asciilifeform: one thing I was thinking the other day - now many women are in the workforce instead of at home - but because the number of dollars is not constant, all that has resulted is that both parents are on the treadmill
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's a contagious condition, this eyes closing = tikkun olam shtick
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Not yet convinced, while he is responsible I do think there must have been a malicious third party involved which I suspect to be the USG
decimation: 100 years ago people who owned a house could also afford at least one or two servants to help with childcare/home
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: that's not really the point here. the point is that he's the one of the hook. fatso's von flondor.
williamdunne: One of the main things I've been focusing on is getting as many degrees of separation as reasonably possible from USG
pete_dushenski: ok then. so... be mindful of who you're associating yourself with, is all. and what you're the face of, regardless of its apparent usg-icity to you.
pete_dushenski: 1. it might not be readily apparent what is and is not 'usg' from your vantage point.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Indeed. Outside of fiat which is impossible to keep sole control of, I am responsible for funds. If something were to go wrong it would be my head on the pike.
pete_dushenski: is ver 'usg' or just a fucking retard ? doesn't really matter, does it.
pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
☟︎ williamdunne: fiat I can't control because I'm not both the bank and the central bank
KRS1: Can you spare just 1 BTC? Ranji is a 9yr old boy living in Namibia. He has only 1 leg, 1 arm and 1 eye. Each day he has to ride 7 miles to school along a narrow road on a rusty bike with bent wheels, no brakes and only 1 pedal.
KRS1: If you send me just 1 BTC I will send you the video. Its fuckin' hilarious!
williamdunne: 1 BTC will hire the local village drunk to bludgeon him with a stone, to put the poor child out of his misery
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, but I don't think it's an act
decimation: I suspect there are people in usg who hold his views exactly
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: he's been here before. i assumed he was kidding !
trinque: I'd watch that video, got 0.001 BTC on it
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Did thanks, think you got one in return
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i dunno who's rougher now, you or that cop ;)
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
☟︎ williamdunne: pete_dushenski: THE COP WAS JUSTIFIED, DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN
danielpbarron: ah, stupid gribble doesn't send it till i send him a command
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could be worse, could be lanier pumping the windoze phoenz
decimation: but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way
decimation: In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful.
mats: fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible'
decimation: The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid.
decimation: asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex
decimation: now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism
decimation: but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism'
decimation: that's a great set of clothes. the deer is a fine horse, etc
trinque: "freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept
trinque: that jumped out at me right away
trinque: I expect to hear that phrase again
trinque: didn't our thing eat all his useful folks?
decimation: Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas."
decimation: asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans
trinque: and if you have kids involved, forget it
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion !
trinque: the court can rule in "the best interest of the child"
trinque: well she might later, and he owes her!
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear. if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win
decimation: everything usg does is partially mixed with its 'civil relgion'
decimation: greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket
trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117450 @ 0.00034004 = 39.9377 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32722 @ 0.00033939 = 11.1055 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
trinque: asciilifeform: not a bad point there
trinque: having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon
trinque: utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry"
decimation: mircea_popescu: I don't get your point re: <--->
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude.
mircea_popescu: "this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see."
decimation: ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but if your wealth is in bitcoin, it's not obvious you are a sheep nor fat
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax
decimation: but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k
decimation: yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: upon reflection, alternative is either a) have one person do everything, or b) 'multisig'
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
decimation: mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides'
mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something.
decimation: asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand
mircea_popescu: it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay.
mircea_popescu: the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh.
decimation: usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball
trinque: it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with
trinque: and I wonder how many got away with it
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners.
mircea_popescu: think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink.
mircea_popescu: and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same.
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:10:20; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
decimation: maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up
decimation: or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world'
mircea_popescu: most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world
decimation: asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151523 @ 0.00033658 = 50.9996 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20538785 = 1.0269 BTC [-]
decimation: for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes'
decimation: people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question
decimation: people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's surely the majority of usg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a very poor excuse for not coming up with better scams.
mircea_popescu: note that i am not proposing for civilisation to go away
decimation: how do you outscam the printing press?
decimation: well, generally the 'way' in the us is to be on the benefit side of the printing press
mircea_popescu: out of the crooked timber of humanity, no THE thing was ever made.
mircea_popescu: and if zenon's arrow in flight discussion is not exactly the latter...
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that for an army of archers, plate armor is much more than our current ceramic plating and woven nylons.
mircea_popescu: similarly, it can perhaps be argued successfully that the romans had better "social sciences" in the weaponized, political sense
trinque: americans are helplessly narcissistic and cannot collaborate
trinque: that's why they didn't think up a better scam
trinque: perhaps not; I'd expect though that we're incredibly low on the scale
trinque: I don't think the way in which communication happens here would be considered high bandwidth
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:23:52; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
mircea_popescu: if you have a deal that says she walks without any money or children, it'll be thrown out.
trinque: more bitcoins for Mr Force, I thought
trinque: asciilifeform: here's a better scam; kill the price for a bit by imploding gox
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter. the former only exists in imagination.
mircea_popescu: there is not enough bakshees to pass up the chain, because bitcoin is not fiat. they need > 9k% to be satisfied.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coinbase is definitely on the chopping block.
mircea_popescu: but think of it this way : never, in the history of tyhe world, did ~they~ ever destroy anything.
mircea_popescu: if they can, they'll just fgill it with straw and keep pretending.
mircea_popescu: the woman that is the state yields eventually, once squeezed enough. not before.
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mircea_popescu: yes yes. in any case, mtgox ended exactly the way faux gpg, or system d, or gavincoin, or the sec or the fbi are gonna end
mircea_popescu: we're going to charge particular ineptitude, and employ ridicule
mircea_popescu: they're going to spin and deny and pretend nothing happened.
decimation: ^ yes, this is true, and most of their welfare comes in 'tax expendatures'
decimation: god forbid that we give up the health care tax break or mortgage interest tax break
decimation: asciilifeform: yes indeed, nobody in the us is more than two or three degrees from usg
decimation: asciilifeform: or your business is frequented by those who get checks from the treasury for being poor or whatever
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2015 05:02:36; mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're r
decimation: yes when barely half of your able adults are working while 40% are being paid to slack, it's pretty obvious that the whole thing is a confidence scheme
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shmadz: thank you, I'm trying to figure a way to do gpg on android platform. is this possible?
danielpbarron: keybase is a way, but you're probably better off getting a real computer first
shmadz: my "real computer" is not with me always. or even often. I was hoping to figure a way to do secure android?
trinque: shmadz: no pill is going to secure android on a cellphone
danielpbarron: you can have "secure cellphone" (just for voice) if you run irc on a computer that doesn't turn off, and connect to that with your cell phone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55466 @ 0.00035075 = 19.4547 BTC [+]
trinque: !s specificity of the diddling
trinque: danielpbarron: yeah I use a similar setup
trinque: shmadz: never trust a phone with anything you can't afford to lose
danielpbarron: worst someone can do with compromised irc box is talk as me for as long as i don't notice
danielpbarron: whereas under gribble, the worst they could do was change my key to their key
shmadz: ok, so there is no known solution for secure, pocket sized, computer?
trinque: shmadz: to the logs with you!
danielpbarron: you can read the log securely from your phone, although even this is much more enjoyable on a real computer
shmadz: right, I want a solution that is roughly the same size as Samsung note, and runs native Linux, or some secure version of android, if that even exists
trinque: shmadz: again, you need to define secure
trinque: reason being, should you specifically define it, you may find there is no existing device that meets the spec
trinque: or otherwise, it's important to note which actions can and cannot be securely taken on a phone
trinque: which is to say, if you wouldn't do it outside the police station, don't do it on a phone either
trinque: if you want a phone which does not track your every step, you will not find it
trinque: nor one that respects the privacy of the data you store on it
danielpbarron: shmadz, if you find yourself in the situation where you need to gpg on the go, you are finding yourself in the wrong situations
shmadz: thank you, not the answer I'm looking for, but this makes me think there is an opportunity to make the device I want. why is there not secure Linux that can run on a phone-like device?
trinque: man, I dunno that there's a secure linux either
trinque: depends on who the adversary is
danielpbarron: reminds me of the failed key signing party at the last porc fest -- the one after which nobody ended up getting their key signed because all the time was taken setting up a temporary key server when all we had to do was trade fingerprints and sign it later back at home
shmadz: ok, thanks for your help, and thanks for the !up, I think I'm gonna try a remote server to manage the keys, and just remote in from the phone? I don't see any secure solution to my problem atm
danielpbarron: another computer can and should be used to sign and decrypt, and this computer should not be connected to any networks
shmadz: ok, just like offline signing bitcoin transactions? so you use USB to transfer? or you do it by hand? Or what?
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shmadz: ok, thanks Daniel, thanks tribute,
shmadz: grr, can you tell I'm on a phone? *trinque
shmadz: yeah, this is a work phone, which is even less secure, so I have to type on it all the time, which probably means everything I
trinque: everything you everything is being tracked; happy 2015, lol
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect. << how would you measure fragging?
ben_vulpes: i'm starting to not be surprised by the failure of modern computing tools
ben_vulpes: i expected them to work as the lathe does
ben_vulpes: well, i learned their use. can't say as i 'know' them.
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Vexual: mircea_popescu: there's always a way. <im glad KRS1 is alive
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Vexual: i took the lid of my psu and shorted the fuse after the ticking turned into complete failure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53524 @ 0.00033005 = 17.6656 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... << why are usg cops so afraid of hands in pockets
cazalla: friday, friday, getting down on friday (finally)
cazalla: Vexual, arvo.. ya drinking?
Vexual: funny thing is if the internet ever breaks, id have to remember xanthyoss ham sign to find you, but yes
Vexual: no something like S>>>
Vexual: its an old callsign tho, itd be in bookshops
cazalla: i'm sober so not really following
Vexual: dude has a cool old ham callsign, he left here after a blue with dpb
cazalla: well, it wouldn't be VK2DIK on account he almost cut his off
Vexual: yeah, but he can prolly bed the shit to find a freq
Vexual: im not exactly licensed
cazalla: Vexual, get the cops up that way?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 264900 @ 0.000327 = 86.6223 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: i dont have a uhf scanner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033417 = 18.8138 BTC [+]
Vexual: taxis and cops i dont care
cazalla: still get most of the regional ambos down here on analogue
Vexual: so towtrucks run on ambo now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93616 @ 0.00032551 = 30.4729 BTC [-]
Vexual: opening garages could be bad for ur health
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44401 @ 0.00033046 = 14.6728 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: not sure why anyone who uses steam on desktop would buy any of that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]
Vexual: meanwhile BB up in the smart part of town...
Vexual: caz i saw that neat little lezzo on news 24 this morn singing the praises of melb. wow
Vexual: checked the hong kong investors, the numbers checked
Vexual: next month 500k of ur 5 milly must be vc or other new shit
Vexual: govt suggestions, she was on ellen
Vexual: i forget the name, shes better than that tho
punkman: this kid has some nice tunes
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punkman: "Bennett was listed #7 on the "Forbes 30 Under 30" 2015 music list" "gave a lecture at Harvard University's Hiphop Archive & Research Institute"
punkman: so Forbes does music now, and Harvard has a hiphop institute
Vexual: wtach the greek squirrel it
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cazalla: ya know if you played good music Vexual, i might be tempted to drink
cazalla: bit over a week since i've imbibed
Vexual: plents of girls that wanna stop
cazalla: nah i'm good, don't have the shimmy shimmy shakes
cazalla: so, what, get em liquored up and laid?
Vexual: virginia sees me to 11
Vexual: no morgan shot ell them cunts, the movies sympathetic tho
Vexual: in fact the dv version has all the blood n gore
cazalla: gee i tell ya Vexual.. sober on a friday night, don't know what to do with myself
Vexual: watch a bushranger movie
Vexual: you know ned kelly went around yelling about morgan
Vexual: dunno, the nushranger, starts wid a d
Vexual: \cops wer after him for years
cazalla: ah i thought you mean someone like malcolm naden
Vexual: whats a naden? u sure youre not drunk now?
Vexual: sounds like a tenni splayer
cazalla: nah some abo that went rambo on some cops and stayed in the bush for years
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gribble: Current Blocks: 359508 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1355 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47374701445.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.45155
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punkman: Over a hundred people were evacuated from an apartment building Tuesday evening after reports of gunshots from the balcony of an apartment. During a six hour long operation, police surrounded the apartment and tried to contact the gunman before discovering that the apartment was empty.
shinohai: But, I'm sure they had credible intel *
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00034251 = 13.0668 BTC [+]
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 1.75 B (12%) on Yes, 13.09 B (88%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 51`751 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1KITrYz )
mircea_popescu: all these imaginary bitcoin businesses and so on that supposedly support him could make a pretty penny bettinbg for the thing they allegedly support at 11:1.
mircea_popescu: funny how the buterin waterfal works. there's allegedly all these usg "companies" with "millions" in their coffers that have "investors" and whanot. meanwhile nobody can be arsed to buy any amount of their stock at a 50% to 90% discount. for like...a year now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274050 @ 0.0003385 = 92.7659 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ethereum was going to be the bees knees for sure definitely absolutely. it even raised a shitton of btc, allegedly. except... not. not at all, not a little bit.
shinohai: rofl I must send out a taunting tweet
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth, gavin's spoken to "economists" that agree with him except meanwhile they turn out to not exist and he has the support of business except all that business can't get a hundred bitcoin together. in which sense, it is obviously a subsection of the tardstalk forum - those guys got like 1k together to give marquardt so he could leave council housing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.20538785 = 1.4377 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 31 too huh. i notice something strange here, brb while i write it up.
mircea_popescu: hm, does anyone remember this excellent write-up of the videogaming industry wrt drivers ? it was a fable-like story, didn't name intel nvidia ati etc but described the interactions with game developers in some intricate detail.
HostFat: I'm the italian moderator on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: hey. wouldja mind getting into the wot, for one thing ?
HostFat: actually I'm really busy because I'm trasfering in another city on these 2 days
HostFat: anyway, I'm also the one that has made a bet about the block size on bitbet :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 408400 @ 0.00034698 = 141.7066 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 3 months 2 weeks ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1H8aLqU )
assbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1H8aLHj )
HostFat: I did't know about the refund, good, than I'll make again the bet with 1 BTC at this time :)
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu i know him, never met IRL, debated with him about blocksize change :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00033564 = 9.2637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00035284 = 17.2892 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article.
pete_dushenski: if i needed to move $1 mn + i'm not sure that i'd take any form of public transportation
pete_dushenski: why not just hop in saddam, throw in a radar detector (legal here ftr), and obey the traffic laws up until i arrived at my destination
pete_dushenski: two thoughts : 1) i won't postpone (any more) weddings, 2) i do love 'that ancient story'
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24498 @ 0.00032635 = 7.9949 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.89, Best ask: 225.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 225.08, 24 hour volume: 18751.17657895, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Geldreich was a kind of GPU savant/whisperer iirc. And an advocate of Unix/Linux gaming.
thestringpuller: The amazing thing is how Microsoft's plan for DirectX segmented the market like this (inconsistent GL drivers)
thestringpuller: Back when consoles were still kool tho, you could at least depend on Nintendo/Sony to have a sane third party get you drivers for the machine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25586 @ 0.00033217 = 8.4989 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20538785 = 2.4647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62534 @ 0.00035286 = 22.0657 BTC [+] {2}
williamdunne: MPwilliamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: <<< Nah don't think Stoya ever did :/ That message was about Indian asking DPB to get my contact details for some reason
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00034869 = 18.2539 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: shinohai: heh. there's a reason they're listed on f.derp
shinohai: They have obnoxious ads everywhere offering 20k satoshi to sign up. wtf is that shit.
pete_dushenski: it's usual dangle-bait shit for shartups with moar capital than brains
williamdunne hasn't yet been subjected to obnoxious ads, except from Gem and *shudders* QuadrigaCX
shinohai: That's not even good dangle-bait.
pete_dushenski: no different than uber doing 'free' pick-ups for goodwill donations from people's houses
williamdunne: I haven't seen it in maybe a week but for months I couldn't touch a video without having that stupid voice telling me I should use a Canadian exchange
williamdunne: Nearly as derpy as the exchange bragging about FATCA compliance
pete_dushenski: because it's too hard to 'incentive' security without making it shiny
pete_dushenski: or at least i saw more of these 'shiny incentives' in the french part of switzerland than the german part
pete_dushenski: german part : spotless, not signs telling citizens to pick up trash, people just behave themselves
trinque: the only useful part of that screen is the log, and they gave it what, 5-10% of the real estate
pete_dushenski: french part : not so spotless (though hardly "dirty") with plenty of "fun" marketing ploys to encourage "right" behaviour
pete_dushenski: trinque: that 5-10% is important for actually working, but the other 90-95% is better at making it *look* like you're working
pete_dushenski: on something quite important and hollywood-esque, no less
trinque: sure, the other part gets fireeye paid
trinque: I think in the absence of any actual history, this is what americans do: imitate (their own terrible) film
trinque: it's just like the guys hunting Jack Bauer or whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102331 @ 0.0003487 = 35.6828 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: if I find the time I may compile a recent history of the chinese kicking our asses
trinque: I bet the chinese version of that screen does what it's supposed to, at a bare minimum
pete_dushenski: "PRISM is one of the most valuable, unique, and productive accesses for NSA – don’t miss out on your targets."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193900 @ 0.00035302 = 68.4506 BTC [+]
assbot: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1H8Xpuk )
mircea_popescu: ok, but seems to me the proposition that "if you pick a random number, the odds of it being divisible by 17 are 1 in 17" is fairly uncontroversial.
pete_dushenski: "the TIC and NETWORZ consolidation initiative is behind schedule and unlikely to achieve its goal of delivering less than 100 connections either in short- or mid-term timeframes." << not saying this is an easy task, but holy shit does the manhattan project *feel* like it was 3 generations ago. what goals can usg hope to accomplish these days, other than writing more pieces of paper and making more pp slides ?
pete_dushenski: every single last one of the 'initiatives' outlined in that document are under-funded, poorly specified, and behind schedule
mircea_popescu: kinda what im inching towards : the plain observation that the odds for this situation so far look like ~1% is something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127650 @ 0.000354 = 45.1881 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: wences is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's noteworthy in either those cryptome links ?
mircea_popescu: "If you live in an expensive city and are acquainted with families collecting welfare the book confirms what you might have noticed, i.e., that it would be irrational for the adults in the family to enter the workforce. Here in Cambridge, Massachusetts, for example, the welfare families that I have spent the most time with occupy apartments with a market rent of about $4,500 per month ($54,000 per year in post-tax inco
mircea_popescu: me) in a building with a swimming pool, two gyms, and a variety of other luxurious facilities. Their health care is free through some combination of Medicaid, Obamacare, and a city-run health system. Their food is mostly free through food stamps. They can get cash from TANF and some similar programs. They would need to earn at least $160,000 per year pre-tax to obtain the same standard of living at market prices. Howev
mircea_popescu: er, even if someone were to offer the adults in the family a $160,000 per year job it would not be rational for them to accept it. If they were ever to lose that job it would take many years of paperwork, bureaucracy, and waiting lists to get back to their current welfare lifestyle."
mircea_popescu: spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village for an entire year to keep a couple tards and their ill behaved, poorly brought up, genetically deffective offspring on reddit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88550 @ 0.0003394 = 30.0539 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: to quote myself : "So let me get this straight, “sustainable” doesn’t mean “long-lasting, likely to perpetuate, and likely to lead to the fullness of human flourishing” so much as “designed to give idiots resources without also teaching them how to think well enough to distribute said resources with a view towards the long-term.”"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00034526 = 14.7599 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: pretty much just same old idiots running around using larger-than-life forces to explain their existences
pete_dushenski: without any of the "i'll put it in god's hands" or "god only knows" deference, sadly
pete_dushenski: "Nye was born on November 27, 1955, in Washington, D.C., to Jacqueline (née Jenkins; 1921–2000), a codebreaker during World War II, and Edwin Darby "Ned" Nye (1917–97), also a World War II veteran, whose experience without electricity in a Japanese prisoner of war camp led him to become a sundial enthusiast."
pete_dushenski: asketh of retardopedia for lulz, and lulz ye shall receive.
pete_dushenski: "i know, let's let anyone who wants to edit articles have admin privileges because wanting is the only barrier to entry our society has !"
trinque: ben_vulpes: heh that one had me roaring
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20427544 = 1.0214 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 359550 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 22 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47141564727.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.94144
assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 7D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 30D: 0.00005214 / 0.00030791 / 0.20550000 (368178 shares, 113.36474897 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.SELL] 1D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 7D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 1.77E-6 / 0.09999998 (374724 shares, 0.66177717 BTC)
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thestringpuller: the trilema article on practical airgapping is a good start, but a "read more"
mike_c: "But many companies insist that a network or system is sufficiently air-gapped even if it is only separated from other computers or networks by a software firewall." << uh, not that one.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell williamdunne btw, were you going to put bitbet bets in scoopbot ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well obviously. but the problem for hypocrites is : i may at may lesure discuss their affairs in either the nominal terms they put forth or the actual realty involved, and randomly equate one branch with another at any point i feel like.
mircea_popescu: the untenability of their position is aka the liar's curse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00034011 = 16.0872 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from ritholz site : "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all
mircea_popescu: civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.
mircea_popescu: Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment."
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mircea_popescu: "Assuming, as economists usually do in aggregate analysis, that capital enhances the productivity of labor, and labor enhances the productivity of capital, then the efficient reaction to less labor is to have less capital. Investment is the rate of change of the capital stock, so even small reductions in the capital stock may be achieved by large investment reductions for a short period of time. For this reason, invest
mircea_popescu: ment is expected to decline by a much greater percentage than consumption in the short term, and by the same percentage in the long term. In this view, the investment decline is entirely a reaction to the labor market, and not a cause of the low rates of labor usage."
mircea_popescu: aka, some countries are just not worth bothering with. the country of africa, the country of north america chief on the list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57717 @ 0.00034215 = 19.7479 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: look how rusted the rocker arms are
mircea_popescu: in any case, 150 bucks, almost a full bitcoin. and he didn't even have to shove it up his ass.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article. << fixed
mircea_popescu: "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above
☟︎ mircea_popescu: 25 cents per hour would be above the market-clearing price. Yet he can never reach the productivity of the foreign contractors unless he can get substantial work experience.]"
mircea_popescu: this matches my experience. the average english speaking "civilised world" young adult can pull on his own something between a dime and a quarter per hour's worth.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't actually cover the cost of maintaining the infrastructure he needs.
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mircea_popescu: One of the biggest surprises in the book is the importance of federal mortgage loan forgiveness: “This chapter shows how all of these outcomes, and more, may be a direct result of stark incentives created by the FDIC and HAMP programs (hereafter jointly referenced as FH) and their practice of targeting the ratio of housing expenses to borrower income. The FH programs offer modifications on the basis of borrower incom
mircea_popescu: e reported to the United States Internal Revenue Service. The first section of the chapter shows how the programs resemble government safety net programs, except that the marginal income tax rates from mortgage modification far exceed 100 percent in some instances.” It turned out that a person’s mortgage payments would be reduced by $1.31 for every $1 fall in income. In other words a lower-income American with a mo
mircea_popescu: rtgage would have more spending power by working fewer hours and/or quitting altogether. Mulligan also notes that as the program was unfavorable to lenders they had a huge incentive to “promote borrower confusion and uncertainty about the disposition of their modification application.” (i.e., the bureaucratic run-around might not have been accidental!)
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thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: the commentary on reddit is bottom of the barrel.
davout: thestringpuller: good one indeed
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mircea_popescu: the point isn't that smart people are somehow misguidedly imagining that everyone's smart like them.
mircea_popescu: the point is that people who aren't like them have no fucking business here.
chetty: and I thought wasmostly dumb people imaging everyone else was too
mircea_popescu: "I often see victims of Commentator’s Disease arguing against the minimum wage on abstract grounds of economic theory. It is what commentators do—bandy abstractions, railing for or against Keynes, assaulting their ideological opponents with pointed phrases. They have never had to do the arithmetic of forty times the minimum wage minus taxes minus bus fare minus rent and gotta pay the cable because it is the only th
mircea_popescu: ing they have after work. They have never had to choose between the electric bill and a new coat as winter comes on."
mircea_popescu: dude... who the fuck said x SHOULDNT have to choose between electricity and a coat.
mircea_popescu: and yes, people don't get all they want, and the stupid don't get "basics" whereas the smart don't get "unimportant stuff".
mircea_popescu: this has more to do with the fact that ipso definitio the preoccupations of the stupid will be banal. they don't have what with to miss things above a coat.
mircea_popescu: if we're in weepathon mode, how about for every coat some poor kid borne by stupid parents never got,
mircea_popescu: we count the fifty billion complex mechanical dragonflies rich kids borne by smart parents never got.
chetty: well simple fact is raising the min wage isnt going to get that coat anyway, so its a silly argument
mircea_popescu: i have to choose between fixing X software and Y policy. because the idiots that came before me have made NOT ONE RIGHT THING.
mircea_popescu: jurov has to choose between taking 3 gb out of the 4gb binary or fixing email.
jurov: sha256sum: 4a62082679875681654a7f4fd5844f5f33bff7a6cbc3ca0c8cefe4a85a8a066f Eulora-June12015-win32.7z
mircea_popescu: fucking hell, poor idiots and their coats, i hope they never see a coat again and live in antarctica for the rest of their dais.
mircea_popescu: chetty sure, but whatr insults me here is the pretense that somehow the feelings of the bovine are more important inasmuch as they;re mostly absent.
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jurov: whet email is broken?
mircea_popescu: jurov 500mb is not too bad considering the sourceball is like 160mb
jurov: fortunately almost all crud was in src/ out/ and mk/ dirs
jurov: now, if someone can lend me osx machine...
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chetty: jurov is the magic man, well doneand thank you
jurov: i'm still waiting for independent confirmation
mircea_popescu: jurov plox make a post on exployt so i can reference it in the future etc ?
jurov: about the release?
mircea_popescu: if you need bw support i can host the file on eulora server
jurov: yes, if it works, pls host it there
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mircea_popescu: i need you to stop trying to go around things as if you're going to maintain some sort of control over the process or something. what all the periphrase and metaconsiderations ? you've seen a dozen people get one through saying the magic words "gimme one" or somesuch.
mike_c: jurov: is that a debug build?
mike_c: wouldn't run because missing msvcp100d.dll, the debug version of that library.
mircea_popescu: jurov wouldn't it make sense to just strip the symbols and etc for a release ?
jurov: ^ mircea_popescu your url.
jurov: but ofc it will need to be updated
mike_c: won't it likely also run quite slowly? is it tough to get release building?
mike_c: you have the debug VC redistributable file :)
jurov: no i mean the speed
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo "The dangers of trapping has"
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, i think it's only illegal if she was urinating on another
mike_c: I feel so close yet so far :) jurov: do you think you can crank out a release version or should I hunt down a debug version of the VC libraries?
jurov: mike_c i don't know, try with the debug version
kuzetsa: this new !verify thing was unexpected, but not too hard to figure out
cazalla: speaking of eulora, binaries avail yet?
trinque: what's australia now, alabama of the sea?
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cazalla: in logs? (still catching up)
jurov: ..that doesn't work outside msvc10 yet
mircea_popescu: cazalla apparently it doesn't work 100% yet but hey, won't be long nao
kuzetsa: no, I play everquest, minecraft, kerbal space program, and various game APKs on my android device but nothing about eulora looks interesting to me :(
kuzetsa: no, proper everquest (even though it's now run by daybreak games ever since the sony online entertainment studio had all the rights sold)
cazalla: yeah, i heard about that, my bet is eqn gets shitcanned too
cazalla: best mmorpg evar, but i can't imagine playing eq post velious tbh
kuzetsa: loosing out on whatever EQN supposedly brought with it isn't anything I'll miss (hell, I was never invested into such things enough to even know what it is)
kuzetsa: I'm pretty sure AAs were pre-velious
kuzetsa: I've got a non-zero amount of AAs on my main
cazalla: actually might've been luclin
kuzetsa: I've gotta admit, I never paid attention to the timeline enough to know if planes of power / luclin / velious / etc. etc. etc. came before or after <other expansion>
cazalla: kunark, velious, luclin, planes of power, frog xpac which was the first dlc (when i quit)
cazalla: i spent 16 hours a day playing that shit for years so..
kuzetsa: I did that on starwars galaxies
cazalla: never played it but i have read that it was great prior to some big patch
kuzetsa: I started with everquest, but once that came out SWG became my main MMO for 7 years but then they shut it down a while ago so I dunno
kuzetsa: I miss it, and that "old republic" MMO is rubbish and almost none of my friends from SWG liked it and neither did I lol
cazalla: for the money spent on it, swtor was utter shit
kuzetsa: too much work on game engine design and not enough development into the worldbuidling, gameplay, and storyline
cazalla: kuzetsa, i didn't even reach the level cap in swtor, it was basically an inferior WoW with voice overs
jurov: mike_c there? looks like i have nondebug build
jurov: mike_c or anyone else who has downloaded the win32 package: unpack this in C:\Eulora\June2015\Eulora
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jurov: (only binaries, 11MB)
trinque: jurov: prolly good to post a hash of teh thing
jurov: sha256sum 7f02d5a9e0d42422a82b28e1a08ee3765798e75e604082fddac9164def6c4f7a Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yes, and possibly the curated porn list. I've been busy this week on a rescue mission
trinque: reminds me of some old flash game from the 90s that involved an amputee dog
trinque: williamdunne: 90s were all about flash mang
williamdunne: While its not 90s, for me it was always Runescape
jurov: like my windows binaries. *shrug*
jurov: is anyone trying them? if not' i'm supposed to wake up tmrw
jurov: and sleep before that
trinque: jurov: I have no windoze box to test with, but will be derping with gentoo 64 tomorrow
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, please to provide me with a login/pass for eulora
cazalla: jurov, i'll give your windows binaries a whirl in a moment
cazalla: crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw
shinohai: ty asciilifeform for the rss feed, as now I can search easily from my irc client :D
kakobrekla: i thought it was in the bash somewhere
funkenstein_: greets - I'm curious what all y'all have to say about moxie's review of gpg
kakobrekla: anyway, the idea was that Aaron Swartz made suicide precisely because of RSS
trinque: til he picked that name on purpose
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 23:56:21; kakobrekla: whoever responsible for rss should commit suicide.
trinque: asciilifeform: yep, sounded like hippie parents to me
mircea_popescu: open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti
mircea_popescu: and what am i to do, go rebuild apache or install alsa or what the fucking shit already
trinque: dwarf fortress tends to come to mind there
trinque: you could learn how to play, and it might end up being fun, but wtf bother
mircea_popescu: yes, because that's what i'm going to do with my time, sniff motherfucking packlets.
jurov: cazalla, i got it fine quickly from cs
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jurov: ^ temporary instructions there,
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cazalla: jurov, any idea what this is on the cs-winlibs install? can't find C:\Program Files (x86)\MSYS\msys\1.0\etc\profile when installing MSYS integration settings
jurov: you don't have msys, nor vs, that can be safely cancelled
cazalla: hmm no go, missing MSVCP100D.dll
assbot: Download Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) from Official Microsoft Download Center ... (
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cazalla: jurov, just did, same error
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mircea_popescu: <cazalla> crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw << link ? jurov can then mirror it along with everything else.
cazalla: jurov problem with what i'm doing or the client? not sure what else i can do here now
mircea_popescu: for the record, my ftp problem was that someone had the bright idea of allowing port 21, but not port 20.
jurov: asciilifeform: you mean bot reading rss feed? we have that.
kakobrekla: as far as i can tell dates are incorrect but the order is correct in your feed ? thats workable. perhaps scoop can cover it. i can too.
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Dates aren't involved in Scoop's processes
williamdunne: Uses a persisted Map of URLs to objects. Messages when he sees a new one
williamdunne: In this case I may have to make a custom set of rules for Phuctor
williamdunne: This is not a problem, so long as something changes between first seen and the update
williamdunne: Well then why does this matter? Scoop shares it once and you see both
williamdunne: Fair enough, think he'll do fine. Fits in quite well with his existing logic
assbot: luke-jr comments on Call me inconsiderate, but THIS is why I don't take Luke-Jr seriously: He lost the majority of his coins on Mt. Gox when there were signs FOR MONTHS to NOT keep coins there. He lacks the ability to properly gauge situations and look into the future. ... (
http://bit.ly/1Jxr94n )
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice. << it'll be fine im sure.
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williamdunne: With Scoop I worked out a structure that fixes some of the issues
williamdunne: Re: polling, what would you suggest as the alternative? Websockets?
williamdunne: Anyhow, what in particular is wrong with it? While there is a host of derpy technologies I'm quite fond of some things - like WebSockets
williamdunne: Isn't that the point of WebSockets, getting rid of derpy polling?
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