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mircea_popescu: .
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154276 << woot!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 23:30:17; mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 15:26:55 <@Samsai> oh, that game << holy shit, everyone knows ?!
mircea_popescu: oh i just derps derping, kay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34749 @ 0.00034038 = 11.8279 BTC [-]
mod6: ok here are the charts, looks like it took about 7 days: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/
assbot: Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMJbN )
mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Process_Switches.png esp that coupled with the 0 faults omg.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMNrO )
mod6: wow! yeah, this one didn't hit the OOM-Kill either, ran good the whole time without problems.
mod6: yup exactly.
trinque: very nice!
mod6: memory usage graph looks very similar to the previous run with the OrphanageThermonuke graph. That's expected, but just sayin'. Lookin good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105767 @ 0.00034022 = 35.984 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ya.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2473
assbot: JL: ‘Life Under Tannika Crow?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYNcdR )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00034911 = 12.76 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=577
assbot: JL: Narco Night Train ... ( http://bit.ly/1dQFoG0 )
ben_vulpes: kakow, mod6
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154290 << l0ltr0nic!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 00:11:22; mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ better how?
mircea_popescu: moar reliable, for one o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified.
mircea_popescu: i do not think i have seen a full sync with 0 pagefaults yuet
asciilifeform shudders that this set of graph axes exists: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Page_Faults.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO2HL )
asciilifeform: 'page faults / second'
asciilifeform: who runs -what- that generates multiple page faults / hour, much less second ?
mod6: yeah, previous test with only OrphanageThermonuke did have at least one spot where a "major pagefault" was detected: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke/20150512/Page_Faults.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO4PP )
asciilifeform: mod6: do we know in what process ?
asciilifeform: if it was bitcoind, i want the crash dump
asciilifeform: and that'd be pretty major
mod6: no, it's system level. all I can tell you is all that is running as far as 3rd party things are: bitcoind & nmon, otherwise i've had `vmstat 1` going.
asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Memory.png << reasonably flat. but the 'whole machine' stats thing is a terrible kludge imho
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYObe6 )
asciilifeform: gotta pick on just bitcoind
mod6: i'll continue to do more testing. we'll hopefully get something out of it.
asciilifeform: still neat pics
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i agree. it's not great, but it's something.
mod6: im gonna try some profiles this month.
asciilifeform: mod6: see if you can pluck the total # out of igprof
asciilifeform: i posted instructions for having it crap those out, i think
mod6: yup, will get to it... hopefully :] lot of things to work though this month.
asciilifeform: in other news...
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ED61BA9F1483495BAB2CB60A5C9BE858F5C2B37C9856BDEE024A8C5518EB421
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOgOS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00034924 = 31.3792 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified. << we'll get there. I'd like to have a discussion at some point about the possible negitive effects of at least the TX Orphanage Amputation patch.
mod6: But so far, I feel good that these two patches fully sync'd and with some reasonable results.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you have an essay-length treatise on this, might be better to drop it in the mailing list
asciilifeform: otherwise here works
BingoBoingo: Damn, a double phuct'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was, i think, another 'magic list' item
mod6: yeah, i think just in here, we can discuss. be better for me to spend a bit of time thinking about it for a day or two.. sometime this week maybe.
BingoBoingo: Ah
mod6: ben_vulpes: should read up on this too ^^
asciilifeform: mod6: notably, bitcoind 0.5.3 stock actually had the orphan tx cache limit
asciilifeform: but i nuked the cache entirely in the interest of reducing fragging
asciilifeform: what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect.
asciilifeform: the other effect of nuking the tx orphanage is zapping the obvious ddos vector of folks crapping deliberately spurious tx into a node
asciilifeform: in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage'
asciilifeform: the very notion of storing things which 'might be verifiable later' runs against the overall flavour of a mechanism designed to face a -maximally- hostile universe
mod6: sure. i was kinda wondering about the converse side where there is an orphaned TX, and then what? guy just resends?
asciilifeform: where every other node is a gavinous abomination
asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
BingoBoingo: Last I checked Hearn still breathes so universe is still maximally hostile.
mod6: hah
asciilifeform: consider the actual scenario whereby a tx is 'orphan'
asciilifeform: i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ?
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll have to think on that a bit more. i wanna be sure of what these changes imply. anyway, a guy can always patch his own if he wishes in the mean time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 30064771079/4294967297 =... 7. so now we also have 7.
mircea_popescu: i am persuaded pretty much every prime up to 1k or so is present in the whole set.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a statistical certainty
mircea_popescu: ye
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ? << right, some sort of malformed tx or one that has some weird time in the tx that makes it get rejected or some such thing.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage' << i agree with the wisdom of this, for the reasons stated.
asciilifeform: mod6: it is absolutely essential to understand the mechanics
mod6: more over, is there a "normal" situation that arises where a guy is trying to create a transaction and it becomes an orphan? his system time is off? many things i suppose...
asciilifeform: an 'orphan tx' is simply one which references a tx which is not yet seen
asciilifeform: this can happen if multiple interdependent tx are sent in quick succession
asciilifeform: say, from a robotic 'hot wallet'
mod6: so [A_tx]<-[B_tx] are both sent
mod6: B is recieved before A, so B is 'orphan'
asciilifeform: if no one had an orphan tx cache at all, the robot would be the only one broadcasting B until A is in a block.
asciilifeform: no one would rebroadcast it for him
asciilifeform: because it could be a work of fiction
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: whereas right now there is 'benefit of the doubt', largely harmless because 1) 'everyone' has infinite ram 2) no one is crapping out spurious tx in earnest
mod6: yeah, like i said, i gotta look into it. :]
mircea_popescu: practically, this might put a dent in dice type services, in the sense that it'd slow them down by ~10 minutes
mircea_popescu: not sure this is terribru
asciilifeform: 'CoinJoin' will also die.
BingoBoingo: Kinda why listable Satoshidice worked as it did
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, nuking the tx orphanage cuts away some of the remaining 'promise' crud from the protocol, leaving the cold metal for which i for one love it
asciilifeform: i will not cry for the 'promises'
asciilifeform: also note that you (node) are free to broadcast a tx that refers to a not-yet-in-block tx. just that other people will throw it straight to dev null
mircea_popescu: coinjoin is not even stupid it's so fucking dumb.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: let's stick to considering things that have a shot at making sense.
asciilifeform: srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it
asciilifeform: the implications of requiring a tx to refer -only- to tx in blocks in order to be rebroadcastable can be described exhaustively
asciilifeform: we may have already done so - or not
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it << Coders are like asparagus in this way. They love their easy nitrogen and phosphorous
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll be running this too.
mircea_popescu: see if anyone can spot a problem with it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if running tests, consider the igprof patch
asciilifeform: it is very very spiffy
mircea_popescu: mp is still not a coder. his magics lie elsewhere.
asciilifeform: needless to say, do not use in battlefield conditions
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it brings in dl)
mircea_popescu: ima think about this while playing go with people who are also thinking about this, how's that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.20538785 = 3.0808 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform reminded that pet is awaiting petting
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's not yet tried this - do. the master form of the twin study jew thing)
BingoBoingo prolly ought to move the La Fonde guy from bi-weekly to daily reading http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2453
assbot: JL: AVD Combatives ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaM5Ui )
mod6: ok back. yeah, so... I'll dig into this for sure here this month. Hopefully sooner, rather than later. I wanna make sure the whole thing 'fits in head' before we move forward. But so far, looking good.
mod6: Also, i believe that the removal of the dnsseed is going to be on the docket as well. but again, we'll see how it goes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't recall, is that patch written yet ?
mod6: yeah, alf submitted it back in feb i think.
mod6 finds.
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMl5N )
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/04/us-cybersecurity-usa-idUSKBN0OK2IK20150604 << "The last few months have seen a series of massive data breaches that have affected millions of Americans," U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in a statement.
assbot: Cyber attack hits 4 million current, former U.S. federal workers| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMoOV )
trinque: bahahahahaha
trinque: ah crap wrong quote
BingoBoingo: "As for your opinion that they have a ‘right’ to safely meet, I disagree. I do not believe in rights. A right is a privilege that is enforced by a violent third party action. Rights are by definition cowardice as social artifice. " http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1974&pr=0 << Tis like a Traimatic brain injury MP
assbot: JL: ‘Are The Counter-Currents People Cowards?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMplX )
trinque: But he called the latest intrusion "among the most shocking because Americans may expect that federal computer networks are maintained with state of the art defenses."
mod6: However, this could be tabled until later; when we add in a previously discussed #b-a certified seed discovery mechanism.
BingoBoingo: gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan
mircea_popescu: trinque this entire bullshit "defenses" conceptualization. as if you know, it's tower defense, and you gotta upgrade the fire mage tower.
mircea_popescu: idiots already.
trinque: I love it
scoopbot_revived: MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/
trinque: BingoBoingo: how hard is it?
trinque: I've thought maybe tinc might be a starting place
trinque: happens to use RSA keys and handle fancy topologies
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm not the implementer, but last word on the subject was that the implementer was working on developing a master of the moving parts first which is admirable
trinque: cool; he should hang around more
BingoBoingo: trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.20538785 = 2.2593 BTC [-]
trinque: it is most certainly something to get right.
BingoBoingo: !up punkman1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132073 @ 0.00034761 = 45.9099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00034298 = 5.4534 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4127 @ 0.00028389 = 1.1716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00034929 = 8.6275 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00008 / 0.00008 / 0.00008 (300 shares, 0.02 BTC), 30D: 0.00006 / 0.00006491 / 0.0002 (115300 shares, 7.49 BTC)
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.32, Best ask: 223.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 223.35, 24 hour volume: 11501.2850445, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 225.77, 24 hour vwap: None
decimation: btc/usd has been remarkably stable
decimation: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-06/uovh-mlf052915.php < apparently it has only just been discovered that the lymph system is connected directly to the brain
assbot: Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications | EurekAlert! Science News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQQPr6 )
BingoBoingo: decimation: It truly has for all of 2015 thus far
mircea_popescu: decimation the reporting on that thing is perhaps the best example of how confused "science news" works.
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: they can't just report the facts, gotta make it some sorta drama
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.20538785 = 4.5185 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications << I'm not sure this is news
decimation: it would have been useful to have a link to the paper
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo read the piece, it's like kindergartners wrote it. not a single fact in there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.20538785 = 1.8485 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've read it and 3 others, some of which bring up what the publication contained. Basically boils down to "OMG When CSF dries up it goes the same place every other fluid does!!! OMG this connection works both ways!!!" The only thing newis is they managed to image this system, because soft tissue imagine is hard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19633 @ 0.00034128 = 6.7004 BTC [-]
decimation: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/29/denny-hastert-highly-unsympathetic-face-americas-criminalization-pathology/ < heh
assbot: Denny Hastert is Contemptible, But His Indictment Exemplifies America's Over-Criminalization Pathology - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQRpoK )
decimation: "In the indictment, the DOJ made the decision not to expressly specify the ?past misconduct? Hastert sought to conceal. Nonetheless, federal law enforcement officials apparently spent the day running around leaking to media outlets what the indictment worked hard to insinuate: that ?Hastert paid a man to conceal sexual misconduct while the man was a student at the high school where Hastert taught.? "
BingoBoingo: The extent of the lymphatic system has always been a bit nebulous because it tends to deflate more destructively in the un-alive. Still since most people manage to go through life without hydrocephalus it can be assumed to interact with the CNS.
mircea_popescu: e entered Congress in 1987 with a net worth of no more than $270,000 and then exited worth somewhere between $4 million and $17 million [...] alleged, unspecified “past misconduct” against an unnamed person to whom he agreed to pay $3.5 million to keep concealed.
decimation: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14432.html < here's the real paper
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FztLci )
mircea_popescu: oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, idiotlandia ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: read the indictment
decimation: he is facing the court because... he didn't tell usg what he was spending his money on
decimation: that's it
mircea_popescu: yes yes. not getting into any of that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67252 @ 0.00034929 = 23.4905 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: just... fucking usg numbers. they make as much sense as a pancake rabbit with a peanut on its head
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ? << He left office to lobby his networth expanded fast then.
BingoBoingo: But the expansion isn't public because no longer elected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136000 @ 0.00034352 = 46.7187 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Fuck, everything is wrong with the world today and only canada backpack guy has new-fax relevant to BTC
mircea_popescu: i guess...
williamdunne: Some famous shithead here in the UK has been saying how she'll happily pay 70% taxes to keep meh public services open
williamdunne: On a similar note, just got tipped 0.3 BTC on reddit
trinque: damn son, that's an xbox game right there
williamdunne: IKR? Beats 0.05 cents
mircea_popescu: most live nude girls work for less / set.
trinque: BingoBoingo: could always be worse; this guy has to whore out his monkey to eat http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746280
mircea_popescu: in the same news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcetwo4Wqh1r3si7eo1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQSm0v )
BingoBoingo: trinque: Let me guess, its last name is Jenner?
williamdunne: She looks better than the monkey, thats cheating MP
trinque: lol
trinque: chick's got a great expression there
trinque: http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746290&w=976 reuters has some decent lols this week
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzwv9F )
trinque: chinese guy was gonna jump I guess, his mother found dead inside
trinque: looks like a great place to live; I can't imagine why
mircea_popescu: on the same great expression trend, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcaqbjOfzi1qkcds1o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzx57n )
trinque: chick's immaculate; I approve
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00032831 * 239624
gribble: 78.67095544
mircea_popescu: on one hand, internet's best journalism < 100 btc. on the other hand, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-06-2015#1152577☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid
williamdunne: trinque: Tasha Reign I think
mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
trinque: williamdunne: nice
mircea_popescu: williamdunne holy shit you knbow em that well ?
williamdunne: I'm a teenage boy, what do you expect?
trinque: heh, I was good friends with a guy in HS that had comparable encyclopedic knowledge of porn stars
williamdunne: But she is particularly memorable
trinque: back when loading up your external hard drive had a point
decimation: mircea_popescu: that patagonia is overvalued?
mircea_popescu: decimation or that old money is doomed, today as much as 2015 bc
pete_dushenski: ahoy !
pete_dushenski: o man this derpy torontonian made my afternoon :)
pete_dushenski: the only thing more fun than a proper roasting is when the victim squirms on the spit.
pete_dushenski: the net result is that i'm pretty sure i popped my "please to take down mean words" cherry today
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/5-simple-rules-for-blogging-linking-to-sources-commenting-and-generally-making-sense-on-the-internet/ << outlined in "update" for those interested
assbot: 5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUsgK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00034052 = 27.6162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104823 @ 0.00034929 = 36.6136 BTC [+]
decimation: pete_dushenski: your jaron lanier post was amusing
pete_dushenski: cheers :D
pete_dushenski: i guess i managed to find a thread to pull on from his nebulous ball of rastayarn.
decimation: heh yeah
pete_dushenski: !s gbanga
assbot: 1 results for 'gbanga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gbanga
pete_dushenski: ah, i'm not the only one wondering who the fuck he is lol
BingoBoingo: Got a catch phrase so maybe a channer?
pete_dushenski: i had thought it might've been Pierre_Rochard at first, but after today, i gotta rule him out.
pete_dushenski: a channer would've brought up details about an article... in chan.
pete_dushenski: s/article/source
pete_dushenski is bemusedly reading http://danielpbarron.com/gamingonlinux.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQVARw )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not channer as in this chan, channer by the classical definition: an imageboard enthusiast
pete_dushenski: ah well that's certainly possible
pete_dushenski: you may be on to something there, even if that doesn't leave us closer to figuring out who he is.
pete_dushenski: though i suppose you have an e-mail address from the comments ?
williamdunne: So when do people start publicly executing police officers? https://www.youtube.com/watchv=01ZwvYqMRhQ
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQW75Z )
williamdunne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZwvYqMRhQ
assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQWbCJ )
williamdunne: Fixed link
pete_dushenski: rough..
williamdunne: Reaching into the pocket his audio cable was coming from was a clear display of threat
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not a useful one, and it would be poor form to expose it if it was.
pete_dushenski: ya never know, the jesters calling themselves judges just might agree
pete_dushenski: ^williamdunne
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: totally agree.
pete_dushenski: but if you recognised it from the wot, you'd obviously know, is all.
williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
williamdunne: "This mandate is without limitation; and is deemed valid by the company regardless of the opinion or
williamdunne: declaration of any third­party, regardless of what title they choose fashion themselves with." There we go
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: what board is this now ?
williamdunne: Exchange
williamdunne: Nothing I'd expect anyone to know about yet :)
pete_dushenski: o right, WDEx !
pete_dushenski: might be confused with winkdex though.
williamdunne: Not quite, MIMEX, but not awfully far off it
decimation: where is the winklevoss etf by the way
decimation: it's like 2 years late
williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
pete_dushenski: decimation: on the diamond train, 2 years might as well be 2 minutes too late
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decimation: yeah exactly
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
assbot: FBI official: Companies should help us ‘prevent encryption above all else’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIdIgE )
williamdunne: wasn't it suspected that the SEC (or was it CFTC, or was it both? God knows) wasn't too amused with the fact that all of the exchanges are not regulated and based in God's favourite country?
decimation: yeah well that was always suspected
decimation: but nobody has come forward with facts as far as I know
pete_dushenski: decimation: i can imagine employers shaking their 'devil hand' symbols at employees using unapproved encryption
pete_dushenski: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs/pope_ratzinger-satan_sign.jpg << as displayed by this hitler youth feller
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQXIJ8 )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154505 << trivial. same reason usg isn't burying any of us alive in freshly-printed benjies☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:03:53; *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
asciilifeform: or for that matter gasenwagen
pete_dushenski wonders where duckduckgo finds these photos.
asciilifeform: they're still following the 'close your eyes and the room will go dark' algo.
decimation: pete_dushenski: heh
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: careful with that "it's not just my fault" approach. look where it got fatso. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151445☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"
decimation: asciilifeform: one thing I was thinking the other day - now many women are in the workforce instead of at home - but because the number of dollars is not constant, all that has resulted is that both parents are on the treadmill
decimation: instead of only one
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's a contagious condition, this eyes closing = tikkun olam shtick
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Not yet convinced, while he is responsible I do think there must have been a malicious third party involved which I suspect to be the USG
asciilifeform: decimation: this realization is at least a century old
decimation: 100 years ago people who owned a house could also afford at least one or two servants to help with childcare/home
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: that's not really the point here. the point is that he's the one of the hook. fatso's von flondor.
williamdunne: Oh for sure, not questioning that at all
williamdunne: One of the main things I've been focusing on is getting as many degrees of separation as reasonably possible from USG
decimation: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678 < not a bad college plan
assbot: How US students get a university degree for free in Germany - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQY9TG )
pete_dushenski: ok then. so... be mindful of who you're associating yourself with, is all. and what you're the face of, regardless of its apparent usg-icity to you.
pete_dushenski: ^williamdunne again !
pete_dushenski: 1. it might not be readily apparent what is and is not 'usg' from your vantage point.
pete_dushenski: 2. that's not the only landmine in the world.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Indeed. Outside of fiat which is impossible to keep sole control of, I am responsible for funds. If something were to go wrong it would be my head on the pike.
williamdunne: But yeah
pete_dushenski: is ver 'usg' or just a fucking retard ? doesn't really matter, does it.
williamdunne: Plenty of risks involved
pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
williamdunne: No no no
pete_dushenski: not that i'm suggesting 'key escrow'
williamdunne: fiat I can't control because I'm not both the bank and the central bank
williamdunne: But I am the account signatory
asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
asciilifeform: !up KRS1
KRS1: thanks
KRS1: Can you spare just 1 BTC? Ranji is a 9yr old boy living in Namibia. He has only 1 leg, 1 arm and 1 eye. Each day he has to ride 7 miles to school along a narrow road on a rusty bike with bent wheels, no brakes and only 1 pedal.
asciilifeform: l0l
pete_dushenski: KRS1: address ?
KRS1: If you send me just 1 BTC I will send you the video. Its fuckin' hilarious!
pete_dushenski: aw... he left.
decimation: meowmix?
williamdunne: 1 BTC will hire the local village drunk to bludgeon him with a stone, to put the poor child out of his misery
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << the whole 'clipper chip affair reloaded!' thing is half of a classical 'good cop/bad cop' act☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
danielpbarron: i recognize that name, possibly from otc
asciilifeform: decimation: chumpers are to think, presumably, that if 'big bad fbi' 'hates crypto' therefore 'buy redphone!'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, but I don't think it's an act
decimation: I suspect there are people in usg who hold his views exactly
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: he's been here before. i assumed he was kidding !
asciilifeform: decimation: the actors in the act are the best kind, from the standpoint of the muppetmasters - they don't know they are actors, likely
danielpbarron: williamdunne, you got my latertell ok?
trinque: I'd watch that video, got 0.001 BTC on it
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Did thanks, think you got one in return
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i dunno who's rougher now, you or that cop ;)
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: THE COP WAS JUSTIFIED, DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN
williamdunne: yeah, thats what I thought
danielpbarron: ah, stupid gribble doesn't send it till i send him a command
asciilifeform: decimation: i still had a scrap of doubt about zimmerman's betrayal all the way until i got into a d.c. metro car plastered, literally floor to ceiling, with 'redphone' ads.
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Deaf and dumb robots
asciilifeform: the notion that this would be permitted were he not a usg asset, or that his little shop of horrors could afford the fee, is sheer lunacy
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could be worse, could be lanier pumping the windoze phoenz
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: who the hell cares what a transparent shill does
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: did i say he wasn't ?
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: heavily implied ;)
asciilifeform: (for non-mordor folks, i will add that the entire train, and in fact all the trains i was in that day, had the same ads)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: people who buy redphone, i suppose.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: naturally
decimation: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/ <
assbot: The purpose of absurdity | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIfr5A )
decimation: Zhao Gao knew how to play the actors
asciilifeform: decimation: the concept described in the linked piece is known as 'shit test' to the pua enthusiasts
decimation: yeah more-or-less
decimation: but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way
decimation: In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful.
mats: fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible'
decimation: The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid.
williamdunne is off for the night
asciilifeform: the yudkowskyans call it 'evaporative cooling' (to describe why doomsday cults on day n+1 after planned 'doomsday' not only do not fall apart, but get more 'culty')
asciilifeform: named for physical effect where fastest molecules phase off into vapour and whole thing has lower energy as per boltzmann
decimation: asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex
asciilifeform: (for those who slept through school)
decimation: now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism
asciilifeform: the 'eternal war' thing is summarized by herr orwell
decimation: but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism'
decimation: that's a great set of clothes. the deer is a fine horse, etc
trinque: "freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept
trinque: that jumped out at me right away
trinque: I expect to hear that phrase again
asciilifeform: trinque: it arguably descends from u.s. hitler (fdr) 's phrase 'freedom from fear'
trinque: didn't our thing eat all his useful folks?
trinque: sounds about right
decimation: Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas."
decimation: ^ how usg employment works
asciilifeform: phun phakt for non-u.s. folks: usg contractors who are registered as 'woman-owned' get preferential contract status. the practical consequence of this is that a great many operators of such firms have them registered in wife's name
asciilifeform: (makes for interesting divorce proceedings, one might imagine)
pete_dushenski: or tighter pre-nups
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
pete_dushenski: for real ?
asciilifeform: (more accurately, they work in the same manner as patents. which is to say, if you have infinite money and are willing to spend most of it on lawyers, it can be made to 'work' in a way.)
decimation: asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans
trinque: and if you have kids involved, forget it
decimation: https://www.sba.gov/category/navigation-structure/eligibility-requirements
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion !
asciilifeform: decimation: the golden quadrifecta is female minority crippled in iraq
trinque: the court can rule in "the best interest of the child"
asciilifeform: trinque: even in the absence of children, imagine that, l0l
trinque: well she might later, and he owes her!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: again, they 'work' like patents 'work'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear. if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mhm. so it would seem
asciilifeform: which is to say, every idiot who wastes time and money on it imagines that it will work in his case, because celebrity xxxxx
asciilifeform: 'patents are great, look at edison'
decimation: everything usg does is partially mixed with its 'civil relgion'
asciilifeform: how could it be otherwise.
decimation: greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket
trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154551 << which board is that ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
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trinque: decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry
asciilifeform: decimation: it is interesting to consider the implications of mass 'awakening' to btc as an anti-divorcetheft instrument
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154562 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154694☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
trinque: asciilifeform: not a bad point there
asciilifeform: decimation: the likely next step for usg is probably 'naggum-style' taxation on 'what you probably earned and hid'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or anti-fiat-theft generally
asciilifeform: sorta like the silk road sentence
mircea_popescu: taxation ; redistribution ; alimony ; you name it-y
trinque: having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon
trinque: utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry"
asciilifeform: 'so, mr schmuck, you ran a widget factory, brought in p/yr. ex-mrs schmuck is now entitled to y*(p-r) where r was your rent'
decimation: mircea_popescu: I don't get your point re: <--->
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude.
mircea_popescu: "this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see."
pete_dushenski: decimation: business is marriage, and vice versa
asciilifeform: for so long as the robbers even bother to construct arguments, they will necessarily take this form
mircea_popescu: decimation that it's the same thing, basially.
decimation: ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully
asciilifeform: sorta like that fable, where the sheep asks the wolf what his 'crime' was, why he deserves to be eaten, and wolf answers 'your crime was that i am hungry and you are fat'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but if your wealth is in bitcoin, it's not obvious you are a sheep nor fat
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, it is still obvious if usd walked in and didn't walk out
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << no. fbi agents should help us prevent usg above all else.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
asciilifeform: (of your pocket)
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax
asciilifeform: just like the ancient observation that if two walk into a cave, and one walks out, someone probably got clobbered
decimation: but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k
asciilifeform: this is, for example, why 'coinbase' will happily sell u.s. folks btc
asciilifeform: decimation: l0l, tell it to that congresscritter
decimation: I mean $10k in btc
asciilifeform: well yes, but they know that $10k walked in in usd
pete_dushenski: then 'withdrew' from where ?
asciilifeform: and never walked out
decimation: yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone
asciilifeform: anyone paid in usd, at any rate
decimation: anyone forced to use usd to eat bread
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154601 << it is how bitbet works.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: upon reflection, alternative is either a) have one person do everything, or b) 'multisig'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154606 << just one more asset ended up with head on pike, now barking at the outskirts.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
decimation: mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides'
pete_dushenski: so i guess the bitbet model makes sense.
mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something.
asciilifeform: decimation: if the fools had the elementary common sense to share the bakshish up the chain of command, they'd be walking still
pete_dushenski imagines 'decentralised' mit wallet
decimation: asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand
asciilifeform: decimation: in all 'orcish' nations
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i dun think so.
mircea_popescu: it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is a long list of idiocies not yet surfaced. for instance, a usg stooge will eventually propose 'wallets' keyed to passport chips or the like
mircea_popescu: the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the quantities are not co-measurable
mircea_popescu: maybe.
decimation: usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: half a mil in usd is not 'i-can-give-it-to-isis-money'
asciilifeform: btc - is.
trinque: it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with
asciilifeform: usd is considerably closer to being paid in month-old sausages than to money
asciilifeform: yes, it's valuable, in a sense
asciilifeform: and you can live on it
trinque: and I wonder how many got away with it
asciilifeform: but where is it 10 yrs from now
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ?
mircea_popescu: they already donated 2.5k of them or w/e
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says.
asciilifeform: this is the difference between money and scip
asciilifeform: scrip
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners.
mircea_popescu: think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you there then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they would have, if they could be sure of 'blink back' when 'blinking eyelashes' up the chain of command
mircea_popescu: aha. exactly.
mircea_popescu: and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're there because you were born and raised there and door is welded shut ?
mircea_popescu: as it is tho...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154628 << o did stoya ever answer ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:10:20; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
decimation: maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up
decimation: or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to grasp this, it is necessary to look through the porthole glass on the atomic dirigible, down to the planet below - where most folks are so thoroughly wedded to their meal ticket that they do not really perceive themselves as having a choice of what sort of system to be part of, aside from the abstract choice of eating one's pistol
asciilifeform: (the latter is an increasingly common path out of u.s. army - ever wonder why?)
mircea_popescu: most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world
decimation: asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy
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asciilifeform: decimation: it is about 'i do this and i keep eating; i don't - and don't'
decimation: for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes'
decimation: people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ?
asciilifeform: spacex ultimately runs on the apparatus whereby continent full of schmucks is robbed of what little they produce
mircea_popescu: what are they, sharecroppers ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure!
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question
decimation: people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: "is life a good above all else"
mircea_popescu: all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story.
asciilifeform: there is also the realization, shared by the more-intellectually-bent part of usa, that 'if i were to be paid what i am worth, i will starve and be boiled for soap. therefore gotta help carry on the scam'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's surely the majority of usg
asciilifeform: it is virtually everyone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a very poor excuse for not coming up with better scams.
asciilifeform: i, for instance, have precisely zero desire to be 'paid what i'm worth'
mircea_popescu: note that i am not proposing for civilisation to go away
decimation: how do you outscam the printing press?
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: there's always a way.
asciilifeform: short of perpetuum mobile, which physical reality balks at - printing press is -the- scam.
asciilifeform: sorta the carnot engine of sc4mz0r1ng
decimation: well, generally the 'way' in the us is to be on the benefit side of the printing press
asciilifeform: decimation: pretty much every living thing in nato-dom is alive beneficiary of the printing press.
mircea_popescu: out of the crooked timber of humanity, no THE thing was ever made.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: printing press scam is directly analogous to carnot engine. it is the closest shave one can give the sheep without skinning them
asciilifeform: or at least aims to be
mircea_popescu: well.
mircea_popescu: consider : roman empire also used the same process.
asciilifeform: hence the astonishingly baroque refinements it is subject to
asciilifeform: romans had not yet calculating machines, and did not have anything quite like modern 'derivatives' etc
asciilifeform: whereas today you can actually make a chump who insists on knowing precisely how he is being chumped be left with an np-complete problem!
mircea_popescu: actually, they did. both.
mircea_popescu: and if zenon's arrow in flight discussion is not exactly the latter...
asciilifeform: that's sorta like saying that they had modern construction equipment. yes, there were cranes powered with man-sized hamster wheels
asciilifeform: but not same
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that for an army of archers, plate armor is much more than our current ceramic plating and woven nylons.
mircea_popescu: similarly, it can perhaps be argued successfully that the romans had better "social sciences" in the weaponized, political sense
asciilifeform: quite similar, in that plate was astonishingly expensive
mircea_popescu: than the us ever did or ever will.
trinque: americans are helplessly narcissistic and cannot collaborate
trinque: that's why they didn't think up a better scam
mircea_popescu: what, unlike the friends, romans, countrymen ?
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
trinque: perhaps not; I'd expect though that we're incredibly low on the scale
trinque: I don't think the way in which communication happens here would be considered high bandwidth
asciilifeform: what would the hypothetical 'better scam' look like ?
asciilifeform: as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154671 << they can only be enforced by women against men, moreover.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:23:52; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
asciilifeform: better scam would result in what? more pumpkins ?
mircea_popescu: if you have a deal that says she walks without any money or children, it'll be thrown out.
mircea_popescu: if it says the reverse... well duh.
trinque: more bitcoins for Mr Force, I thought
asciilifeform: trinque: we (or at least i) do not know how many bitcoins -presently- for yellen
asciilifeform: or thiel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno.
asciilifeform: trinque: the basic crime of herr force - aside from the unforgivable 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain' - is that a commoner has pretense to lordly things
trinque: asciilifeform: here's a better scam; kill the price for a bit by imploding gox
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter. the former only exists in imagination.
trinque: meanwhile looting it
asciilifeform: trinque: this is likely to be repeated, and next on the chopping block is probably 'coinbase'
asciilifeform: the new gox
mircea_popescu: there is not enough bakshees to pass up the chain, because bitcoin is not fiat. they need > 9k% to be satisfied.
trinque: oh, certainly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coinbase is definitely on the chopping block.
mircea_popescu: teh republic never liked it.
asciilifeform: meant, that it'll be flushed by usg
asciilifeform: rather than nailed in the wild
mircea_popescu: you generally overtate the efficacity of the derp.
asciilifeform: from outside of the walls it'll look quite like a 'goxing' yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one thing they know how to do is arson
asciilifeform: in all the various senses of the word
mircea_popescu: but think of it this way : never, in the history of tyhe world, did ~they~ ever destroy anything.
mircea_popescu: if they can, they'll just fgill it with straw and keep pretending.
asciilifeform: yes, it's the flames that destroy, not the boy with the matches
mircea_popescu: mtgox's fall took specific, directed pushing
mircea_popescu: and they tried tooth and nail to keep on.
mircea_popescu: so did everything else, so does everything else.
mircea_popescu: the woman that is the state yields eventually, once squeezed enough. not before.
asciilifeform: one could even argue that gox is not dead, but rather passed the torch to coinbase/bitstamp
asciilifeform: in the same way as ibm passed it to microshit
asciilifeform: and microshit is now passing it to google et al
asciilifeform: the unmistakeable attributes of 'goxitude' - 'kyc/aml' crapolade, mysterious freezes/'questionings'/account dissolutions/'verifications' - carry on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127600 @ 0.00033284 = 42.4704 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: as do the basic mechanics of a goxatron - encouragement of off-chain payments via 'codes' rather than proper btc, goading users to keep coin in -exchange's- wallet, etc.
mircea_popescu: yes yes. in any case, mtgox ended exactly the way faux gpg, or system d, or gavincoin, or the sec or the fbi are gonna end
mircea_popescu: we're going to charge particular ineptitude, and employ ridicule
mircea_popescu: they're going to spin and deny and pretend nothing happened.
mircea_popescu: by the book.
mircea_popescu: an' with that, i bid you all something or the other!
decimation: here's how to 'out-scam' the printing press: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/ < "In other words we?re trending toward a society where about half of the working-age adults will kill themselves with 60-80-hour weeks while the other half will relax on the sofa."
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrNSyK )
asciilifeform: decimation: l0l, 'trending toward'
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: i suppose, because the famous '47%' isn't quite half
asciilifeform: the key unwritten truth here is that virtually all employed folks in usa are 'on welfare'
decimation: ^ yes, this is true, and most of their welfare comes in 'tax expendatures'
asciilifeform: because, as described very clearly by tlp (that piece cached on mircea_popescu's www) - they either carry out work directly for usg organs (official or otherwise, e.g., microshit) or perform services for the former
decimation: god forbid that we give up the health care tax break or mortgage interest tax break
asciilifeform: e.g., cook in a restaurant frequented by builders who install glass in office towers paid for by bezzlatron
decimation: asciilifeform: yes indeed, nobody in the us is more than two or three degrees from usg
decimation: asciilifeform: or your business is frequented by those who get checks from the treasury for being poor or whatever
asciilifeform: ^ as described by tlp
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2015#993651☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2015 05:02:36; mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're r
decimation: yes when barely half of your able adults are working while 40% are being paid to slack, it's pretty obvious that the whole thing is a confidence scheme
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00033241 = 15.1911 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00033167 = 18.1258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00034063 = 24.321 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !up shmadz
shmadz: thank you, I'm trying to figure a way to do gpg on android platform. is this possible?
danielpbarron: possible but not recommended
shmadz: for security, right?
danielpbarron: keybase is a way, but you're probably better off getting a real computer first
shmadz: my "real computer" is not with me always. or even often. I was hoping to figure a way to do secure android?
trinque: shmadz: no pill is going to secure android on a cellphone
danielpbarron: you can have "secure cellphone" (just for voice) if you run irc on a computer that doesn't turn off, and connect to that with your cell phone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55466 @ 0.00035075 = 19.4547 BTC [+]
trinque: !s specificity of the diddling
assbot: 4 results for 'specificity of the diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+of+the+diddling
trinque: danielpbarron: yeah I use a similar setup
trinque: shmadz: never trust a phone with anything you can't afford to lose
danielpbarron: worst someone can do with compromised irc box is talk as me for as long as i don't notice
danielpbarron: whereas under gribble, the worst they could do was change my key to their key
shmadz: ok, so there is no known solution for secure, pocket sized, computer?
trinque: shmadz: to the logs with you!
danielpbarron: depends.. how pig are your pockets?
trinque: shmadz: define secure
trinque: important to define terms
danielpbarron: you can read the log securely from your phone, although even this is much more enjoyable on a real computer
shmadz: right, I want a solution that is roughly the same size as Samsung note, and runs native Linux, or some secure version of android, if that even exists
trinque: shmadz: again, you need to define secure
trinque: reason being, should you specifically define it, you may find there is no existing device that meets the spec
trinque: or otherwise, it's important to note which actions can and cannot be securely taken on a phone
trinque: which is to say, if you wouldn't do it outside the police station, don't do it on a phone either
trinque: should be obvious
trinque: if you want a phone which does not track your every step, you will not find it
trinque: nor one that respects the privacy of the data you store on it
trinque: so on
danielpbarron: shmadz, if you find yourself in the situation where you need to gpg on the go, you are finding yourself in the wrong situations
trinque: well put
shmadz: thank you, not the answer I'm looking for, but this makes me think there is an opportunity to make the device I want. why is there not secure Linux that can run on a phone-like device?
trinque: man, I dunno that there's a secure linux either
trinque: it's not a 1 or 0 thing
trinque: depends on who the adversary is
danielpbarron: reminds me of the failed key signing party at the last porc fest -- the one after which nobody ended up getting their key signed because all the time was taken setting up a temporary key server when all we had to do was trade fingerprints and sign it later back at home
shmadz: ok, thanks for your help, and thanks for the !up, I think I'm gonna try a remote server to manage the keys, and just remote in from the phone? I don't see any secure solution to my problem atm
danielpbarron: the keys don't need to be on the remote server
danielpbarron: another computer can and should be used to sign and decrypt, and this computer should not be connected to any networks
shmadz: ok, just like offline signing bitcoin transactions? so you use USB to transfer? or you do it by hand? Or what?
danielpbarron: some use a qr code scanner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47429 @ 0.00034021 = 16.1358 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: !up shmadz
shmadz: ok, thanks Daniel, thanks tribute,
shmadz: *tribute
shmadz: grr, can you tell I'm on a phone? *trinque
danielpbarron: i turn off autocorrect; it drove me crazy
shmadz: yeah, this is a work phone, which is even less secure, so I have to type on it all the time, which probably means everything I
shmadz: type is being tracked
trinque: everything you everything is being tracked; happy 2015, lol
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE99DB4C8A6980859D6C2322594C1B2CB4348ECB0F9BA3A7275285C7F3D02F7F
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSBzAk )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
danielpbarron: that p is apparently the 6th "Fermat number"
asciilifeform: !s 4294967297
assbot: 6 results for '4294967297' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=4294967297
asciilifeform: extensively discussed
asciilifeform: it is guaranteed to be a factor in all moduli matching the 'magic 98' pattern
asciilifeform: as shown in http://dpaste.com/1TNXJDZ
assbot: dpaste: 1TNXJDZ: fffooo ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSCcKd )
asciilifeform: you can prove this fact
asciilifeform: but i am leaving it as an exercise
asciilifeform: (hint: 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1)
asciilifeform: (Apocalyptic may have posted the proof somewhere in the logs already. i can't recall.)
asciilifeform: i will note that -not all- phuctored moduli to date are in 'magic98', nor have all of the 98 been (thus far) phuctored or even attempted
asciilifeform: but elementarily, all of them are expected to appear prior to the end of the churn of the sks dump circa last month
asciilifeform: (on account of all of them being divisible by 4294967297)
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect. << how would you measure fragging?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can only be (easily) measured indirectly
asciilifeform: sorta like 'dark matter'
asciilifeform: that is, process has heavy 'footprint' but sum of allocations is a small fraction of it
asciilifeform: the only conclusive test for fragging is manually sweating over a memory dump 'with magnifying glass'
asciilifeform: (there may exist an instrumented allocator which will actually complain about being unable to find an appropriately-sized free block, but i am unaware of it)
ben_vulpes: i'm starting to not be surprised by the failure of modern computing tools
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was at some point surprised ?!
ben_vulpes: i learned then next to the lathe
ben_vulpes: i expected them to work as the lathe does
ben_vulpes: well, i learned their use. can't say as i 'know' them.
asciilifeform: http://totalpict.com/images/63/63378912550372ebd2231f.jpeg << like this ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSDeWw )
asciilifeform: ^ probably most famous lathe of all time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32771 @ 0.00034021 = 11.149 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: imagine if computer worked like this.
ben_vulpes: lathe fits in head.
asciilifeform: sometimes - head fits in lathe.
asciilifeform: that schmuck's did.
Vexual: liveleaks full of it
Vexual: mircea_popescu: there's always a way. <im glad KRS1 is alive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11426 @ 0.00033133 = 3.7858 BTC [-]
trinque: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de2_1326399606 << god damn.
assbot: LiveLeak.com - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( http://bit.ly/1RO5GqT )
Vexual: i took the lid of my psu and shorted the fuse after the ticking turned into complete failure
Vexual: nerd fireworks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53524 @ 0.00033005 = 17.6656 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... << why are usg cops so afraid of hands in pockets
ben_vulpes: http://www.kgw.com/story/news/crime/2015/05/28/three-people-shot-during-last-thursday-portland/28129499/
assbot: Teen confesses in Last Thursday shooting, says someone eyed him ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARhTGK )
ben_vulpes: someone eyed him, you see!
punkman: oic now
punkman: !up Vexual
cazalla: friday, friday, getting down on friday (finally)
Vexual: hey caz
cazalla: Vexual, arvo.. ya drinking?
Vexual: syntax error
Vexual: funny thing is if the internet ever breaks, id have to remember xanthyoss ham sign to find you, but yes
cazalla: VK2DIK?
Vexual: no something like S>>>
Vexual: i forget
Vexual: its an old callsign tho, itd be in bookshops
cazalla: i'm sober so not really following
Vexual: dude has a cool old ham callsign, he left here after a blue with dpb
cazalla: well, it wouldn't be VK2DIK on account he almost cut his off
Vexual: yeah, but he can prolly bed the shit to find a freq
Vexual: *bend
cazalla: got a radio?
Vexual: er maybe
Vexual: im not exactly licensed
cazalla: you can be VK4VEX
Vexual: ok-ay
punkman: !s blockchain radio
assbot: 1 results for 'blockchain radio' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockchain+radio
cazalla: Vexual, get the cops up that way?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 264900 @ 0.000327 = 86.6223 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: i dont have a uhf scanner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033417 = 18.8138 BTC [+]
Vexual: taxis and cops i dont care
cazalla: still get most of the regional ambos down here on analogue
cazalla: geelong, traralgon
cazalla: ballarat too
Vexual: so towtrucks run on ambo now?
Vexual: thats kinda sad
punkman: http://samy.pl/opensesame/
assbot: OpenSesame - hacking garages in seconds ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io2CA4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93616 @ 0.00032551 = 30.4729 BTC [-]
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: opening garages could be bad for ur health
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa64gOwuIyE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44401 @ 0.00033046 = 14.6728 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://store.steampowered.com/hardware PCs that look like a console, wonder how this will go
assbot: Steam Hardware Pre-Order ... ( http://bit.ly/1HP7nNF )
Vexual: nvidea too
cazalla: not sure why anyone who uses steam on desktop would buy any of that
cazalla: !up Vexual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE
Vexual: meanwhile BB up in the smart part of town...
Vexual: caz i saw that neat little lezzo on news 24 this morn singing the praises of melb. wow
Vexual: thats a singer
Vexual: checked the hong kong investors, the numbers checked
Vexual: next month 500k of ur 5 milly must be vc or other new shit
Vexual: get ltd now
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3WFkfME_Q0
cazalla: Vexual, what lezzo?
Vexual: govt suggestions, she was on ellen
Vexual: i forget the name, shes better than that tho
Vexual: singing about melb re
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3WFkfME_Q0
assbot: Chance The Rapper - SURF [Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARo3a1 )
punkman: this kid has some nice tunes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142548 @ 0.00032478 = 46.2967 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: aussie?
Vexual: nope
punkman: "Bennett was listed #7 on the "Forbes 30 Under 30" 2015 music list" "gave a lecture at Harvard University's Hiphop Archive & Research Institute"
Vexual: thats her'
punkman: so Forbes does music now, and Harvard has a hiphop institute
Vexual: link
Vexual: wtach the greek squirrel it
Vexual: what the link
Vexual: yes its new
punkman: http://hutchinscenter.fas.harvard.edu/hiphop-archive-research-institute
assbot: Hiphop Archive & Research Institute | Hutchins Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsffIW )
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: :) curly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12962 @ 0.00033417 = 4.3315 BTC [+]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcnIhzaDTd0
Vexual: real shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67899 @ 0.00034389 = 23.3498 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcnIhzaDTd0
cazalla: ya know if you played good music Vexual, i might be tempted to drink
Vexual: im trying to save you
cazalla: bit over a week since i've imbibed
Vexual: so go to aa\
Vexual: plents of girls that wanna stop
cazalla: nah i'm good, don't have the shimmy shimmy shakes
Vexual: i shake around 9 am
cazalla: so, what, get em liquored up and laid?
Vexual: no
Vexual: stop b4 you need em
Vexual: virginia sees me to 11
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzfwI9fhA3I
scoopbot_revived: Company Pays $14,000 Ransom In Bitcoin, Attackers Return For More http://qntra.net/2015/06/company-pays-14000-ransom-in-bitcoin-attackers-return-for-more/
Vexual: unnnamed co
cazalla: prob the cop shop itself
Vexual: no morgan shot ell them cunts, the movies sympathetic tho
Vexual: in fact the dv version has all the blood n gore
cazalla: gee i tell ya Vexual.. sober on a friday night, don't know what to do with myself
Vexual: watch a bushranger movie
cazalla: gonna watch blue murder
cazalla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Murder_%28miniseries%29
assbot: Blue Murder (miniseries) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsgXKu )
Vexual: cool shit
cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: thankyou kindly
Vexual: you know ned kelly went around yelling about morgan
cazalla: morgan who
Vexual: dunno, the nushranger, starts wid a d
Vexual: \cops wer after him for years
cazalla: the abo?
Vexual: 'he was irish
cazalla: ah i thought you mean someone like malcolm naden
Vexual: whats a naden? u sure youre not drunk now?
cazalla: the abo ned kelly guy
Vexual: sounds like a tenni splayer
cazalla: nah some abo that went rambo on some cops and stayed in the bush for years
cazalla: top bloke
Vexual: yeah, maybe
cazalla: bbl
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVOawOXxSA < melb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00032158 = 17.9924 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: gm #bitcoin-assets
Vexual: ford
shinohai: kek
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwacyd9cqhQ true
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDLeo4lcCg ss shes ss upercharged
wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 359508 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1355 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47374701445.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.45155
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131250 @ 0.00033211 = 43.5894 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86934 @ 0.00033481 = 29.1064 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123809 @ 0.00032047 = 39.6771 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00031746 = 4.0448 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00034546 = 57.6055 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/briefings.html#the-memory-sinkhole-unleashing-an-x86-design-flaw-allowing-universal-privilege-escalation
assbot: Black Hat USA 2015 | Briefings ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoA8pO )
shinohai: http://www.visir.is/apartment-under-siege-by-icelandic-police-for-six-hours-turns-out-to-be-empty/article/2015150609695
punkman: Over a hundred people were evacuated from an apartment building Tuesday evening after reports of gunshots from the balcony of an apartment. During a six hour long operation, police surrounded the apartment and tried to contact the gunman before discovering that the apartment was empty.
punkman: good one
shinohai: But, I'm sure they had credible intel *
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97243 @ 0.00033907 = 32.9722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00034251 = 12.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00034251 = 13.0668 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me someone should perhaps point out to that lying scumbag andresen that https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 1.75 B (12%) on Yes, 13.09 B (88%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 51`751 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KITrYz )
mircea_popescu: all these imaginary bitcoin businesses and so on that supposedly support him could make a pretty penny bettinbg for the thing they allegedly support at 11:1.
mircea_popescu: funny how the buterin waterfal works. there's allegedly all these usg "companies" with "millions" in their coffers that have "investors" and whanot. meanwhile nobody can be arsed to buy any amount of their stock at a 50% to 90% discount. for like...a year now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274050 @ 0.0003385 = 92.7659 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ethereum was going to be the bees knees for sure definitely absolutely. it even raised a shitton of btc, allegedly. except... not. not at all, not a little bit.
shinohai: rofl I must send out a taunting tweet
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth, gavin's spoken to "economists" that agree with him except meanwhile they turn out to not exist and he has the support of business except all that business can't get a hundred bitcoin together. in which sense, it is obviously a subsection of the tardstalk forum - those guys got like 1k together to give marquardt so he could leave council housing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.20538785 = 1.4377 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 31 too huh. i notice something strange here, brb while i write it up.
mircea_popescu: jurov hanbot http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/ btw.
assbot: MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIUnw3 )
mircea_popescu: !up HostFat
mircea_popescu: hm, does anyone remember this excellent write-up of the videogaming industry wrt drivers ? it was a fable-like story, didn't name intel nvidia ati etc but described the interactions with game developers in some intricate detail.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall if i put it in here or not tho ;/
wyrdmantis: hi HostFat
mircea_popescu: http://richg42.blogspot.com.ar/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html
assbot: Rich Geldreich's Tech Blog: The Truth on OpenGL Driver Quality ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87U11 )
mircea_popescu: thank you intel.
shinohai: For that special woman in your life, Nazi undies! http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nazi-booty-eva-braun-panties-sale-ohio-article-1.2243354
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87Y0I )
mircea_popescu: !gettrust HostFat
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user HostFat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=HostFat | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/HostFat/
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis dja know the guy ?
HostFat: hi mircea
HostFat: I'm the italian moderator on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: hey. wouldja mind getting into the wot, for one thing ?
HostFat: actually I'm really busy because I'm trasfering in another city on these 2 days
HostFat: *currently
mircea_popescu: well not this instant. generally.
HostFat: anyway, I'm also the one that has made a bet about the block size on bitbet :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 408400 @ 0.00034698 = 141.7066 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: for the other thing : plox to not email bomb me ; bitbet's not keeping your bitcoin, rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it ; yeah 1 btc is prolly enough for that purpose ; if https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ and https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ being paid out isn't going to convince you i guess nothing will.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 3 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLqU )
assbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLHj )
HostFat: I did't know about the refund, good, than I'll make again the bet with 1 BTC at this time :)
mircea_popescu: gl.
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu i know him, never met IRL, debated with him about blocksize change :)
mircea_popescu: oic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88906 @ 0.00035141 = 31.2425 BTC [+] {3}
scoopbot_revived: The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Pierre_Rochard: ;;later tell pete_dushenski clarifying that I am indeed not GBANGA! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREGbLdOzfg ) and that I would’ve thought a greyhound bus would be a great way to launder money, but events proved otherwise
assbot: Steve Holt! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPm0HM )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89000 @ 0.00035281 = 31.4001 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 395450 @ 0.00034097 = 134.8366 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00033564 = 9.2637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00035284 = 17.2892 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: ha, classic show and classic scene !
pete_dushenski: if i needed to move $1 mn + i'm not sure that i'd take any form of public transportation
pete_dushenski: why not just hop in saddam, throw in a radar detector (legal here ftr), and obey the traffic laws up until i arrived at my destination
pete_dushenski: (saddam = merc)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a novel !
pete_dushenski: two thoughts : 1) i won't postpone (any more) weddings, 2) i do love 'that ancient story'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00034585 = 25.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63181 @ 0.00034171 = 21.5896 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24498 @ 0.00032635 = 7.9949 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.89, Best ask: 225.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 225.08, 24 hour volume: 18751.17657895, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 343170046.183
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155478 @ 0.00033088 = 51.4446 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8614 @ 0.00033524 = 2.8878 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Geldreich was a kind of GPU savant/whisperer iirc. And an advocate of Unix/Linux gaming.
mircea_popescu: yes.
thestringpuller: The amazing thing is how Microsoft's plan for DirectX segmented the market like this (inconsistent GL drivers)
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thestringpuller: Back when consoles were still kool tho, you could at least depend on Nintendo/Sony to have a sane third party get you drivers for the machine.
thestringpuller: consistent drivers*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25586 @ 0.00033217 = 8.4989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50794 @ 0.00034869 = 17.7114 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20538785 = 2.4647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62534 @ 0.00035286 = 22.0657 BTC [+] {2}
williamdunne: MPwilliamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: <<< Nah don't think Stoya ever did :/ That message was about Indian asking DPB to get my contact details for some reason
shinohai: LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/
assbot: This Lawsuit Could sink one of the hottest bitcoin companies - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeZTZ6 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00034869 = 18.2539 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: shinohai: heh. there's a reason they're listed on f.derp
pete_dushenski: and no amount of moving to switzerland can save them
shinohai: They have obnoxious ads everywhere offering 20k satoshi to sign up. wtf is that shit.
pete_dushenski: it's usual dangle-bait shit for shartups with moar capital than brains
williamdunne hasn't yet been subjected to obnoxious ads, except from Gem and *shudders* QuadrigaCX
shinohai: That's not even good dangle-bait.
pete_dushenski: no different than uber doing 'free' pick-ups for goodwill donations from people's houses
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: ya, qcx is everywhere. annoyingly.
williamdunne: I haven't seen it in maybe a week but for months I couldn't touch a video without having that stupid voice telling me I should use a Canadian exchange
williamdunne: WHY
williamdunne: WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT
williamdunne: Nearly as derpy as the exchange bragging about FATCA compliance
trinque: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/05/hacked-federal-personnel-files-could-turn-employees-into-foreign-spies/ << check out that security theater FireEye interface
assbot: Hacked federal personnel files could turn employees into foreign spies ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8StFP )
trinque: delusional bastards
pete_dushenski: ha, gee golly those sure are some pretty graphics.
pete_dushenski: nothing to hide there !
pete_dushenski: because it's too hard to 'incentive' security without making it shiny
pete_dushenski: i swear this is a french thing
pete_dushenski: or at least i saw more of these 'shiny incentives' in the french part of switzerland than the german part
pete_dushenski: german part : spotless, not signs telling citizens to pick up trash, people just behave themselves
trinque: interesting
trinque: the only useful part of that screen is the log, and they gave it what, 5-10% of the real estate
pete_dushenski: french part : not so spotless (though hardly "dirty") with plenty of "fun" marketing ploys to encourage "right" behaviour
pete_dushenski: trinque: that 5-10% is important for actually working, but the other 90-95% is better at making it *look* like you're working
pete_dushenski: on something quite important and hollywood-esque, no less
trinque: sure, the other part gets fireeye paid
trinque: I think in the absence of any actual history, this is what americans do: imitate (their own terrible) film
trinque: it's just like the guys hunting Jack Bauer or whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102331 @ 0.0003487 = 35.6828 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dia-mil-spy-papers.htm << mega-l0l
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8UPVm )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7382BEE1309329B35A14D11394BC4068C4491033B855ED56B7CBE15AE0EB9A2A and http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/709FF94FF727A8490E99459EEC2989C1EB80FE9A03DF0F1DA6911EB4D5497907
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V1nr )
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V4zz )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: if I find the time I may compile a recent history of the chinese kicking our asses
trinque: I bet the chinese version of that screen does what it's supposed to, at a bare minimum
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604.pdf << latest usg mega-l0l. massive and very tedious slide deck of pseudolegalisms
pete_dushenski: "PRISM is one of the most valuable, unique, and productive accesses for NSA – don’t miss out on your targets."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193900 @ 0.00035302 = 68.4506 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you're here : http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
assbot: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Xpuk )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the distribution of factors in random large N is an open problem
mircea_popescu: ok, but seems to me the proposition that "if you pick a random number, the odds of it being divisible by 17 are 1 in 17" is fairly uncontroversial.
pete_dushenski: "the TIC and NETWORZ consolidation initiative is behind schedule and unlikely to achieve its goal of delivering less than 100 connections either in short- or mid-term timeframes." << not saying this is an easy task, but holy shit does the manhattan project *feel* like it was 3 generations ago. what goals can usg hope to accomplish these days, other than writing more pieces of paper and making more pp slides ?
mircea_popescu: seeing how every 17th number etc.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski myeah.
pete_dushenski: every single last one of the 'initiatives' outlined in that document are under-funded, poorly specified, and behind schedule
pete_dushenski: unless the initiative was just a 'plan'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also looks like you did the 'magic' and non-magic keys together
mircea_popescu: so i did.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we might have a case of the proverbial 'randomly wired neural network, close your eyes and the room is dark' on our hands. these N were not crapped our by dice, but are permuted versions of properly-generated N. and could have interesting mathematical properties
mircea_popescu: kinda what im inching towards : the plain observation that the odds for this situation so far look like ~1% is something
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1155219 << i have nfi when or how xapo got to be "one of the hottest". it's not even clear it ever existed.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 15:10:32; shinohai: LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127650 @ 0.000354 = 45.1881 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604-2.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/2WR0X9E.txt << lulzy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FywOCD )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FywR10 )
scoopbot_revived: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
mircea_popescu: !rated wences
assbot: wences is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's noteworthy in either those cryptome links ?
mircea_popescu: "If you live in an expensive city and are acquainted with families collecting welfare the book confirms what you might have noticed, i.e., that it would be irrational for the adults in the family to enter the workforce. Here in Cambridge, Massachusetts, for example, the welfare families that I have spent the most time with occupy apartments with a market rent of about $4,500 per month ($54,000 per year in post-tax inco
mircea_popescu: me) in a building with a swimming pool, two gyms, and a variety of other luxurious facilities. Their health care is free through some combination of Medicaid, Obamacare, and a city-run health system. Their food is mostly free through food stamps. They can get cash from TANF and some similar programs. They would need to earn at least $160,000 per year pre-tax to obtain the same standard of living at market prices. Howev
mircea_popescu: er, even if someone were to offer the adults in the family a $160,000 per year job it would not be rational for them to accept it. If they were ever to lose that job it would take many years of paperwork, bureaucracy, and waiting lists to get back to their current welfare lifestyle."
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village for an entire year to keep a couple tards and their ill behaved, poorly brought up, genetically deffective offspring on reddit.
mircea_popescu: and this is supposed to be sustainable or something ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88550 @ 0.0003394 = 30.0539 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: to quote myself : "So let me get this straight, “sustainable” doesn’t mean “long-lasting, likely to perpetuate, and likely to lead to the fullness of human flourishing” so much as “designed to give idiots resources without also teaching them how to think well enough to distribute said resources with a view towards the long-term.”"
mircea_popescu: guess so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00034708 = 29.3283 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's noteworthy... << the sheer lameness of the dissertation titles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as for the 2nd, the idiot flailing re: 'cyber attack'
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village... << it is not clear to me that this is so. they aren't being given actual solid money, note. they are given bezzlars, most of which come back to the loop immediately
asciilifeform: the 160k 'can't buy turkeys'
asciilifeform: or crates of kalash
ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/06/bill-nye-the-universe-will-provide/
assbot: Bill Nye: The Universe Will Provide (NSFW) | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcTDPP )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00034526 = 14.7599 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lols
pete_dushenski: pretty much just same old idiots running around using larger-than-life forces to explain their existences
pete_dushenski: s/universe/god
pete_dushenski: just the secular scientistic use of the same term
pete_dushenski: without any of the "i'll put it in god's hands" or "god only knows" deference, sadly
pete_dushenski: "Nye was born on November 27, 1955, in Washington, D.C., to Jacqueline (née Jenkins; 1921–2000), a codebreaker during World War II, and Edwin Darby "Ned" Nye (1917–97), also a World War II veteran, whose experience without electricity in a Japanese prisoner of war camp led him to become a sundial enthusiast."
pete_dushenski: asketh of retardopedia for lulz, and lulz ye shall receive.
pete_dushenski: "i know, let's let anyone who wants to edit articles have admin privileges because wanting is the only barrier to entry our society has !"
pete_dushenski: cripes.
trinque: ben_vulpes: heh that one had me roaring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00033896 = 30.4556 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168638 @ 0.00033541 = 56.5629 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20427544 = 1.0214 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 359550 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 22 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47141564727.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.94144
thestringpuller: !t h b.mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 7D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 30D: 0.00005214 / 0.00030791 / 0.20550000 (368178 shares, 113.36474897 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t h b.sell
assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.SELL] 1D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 7D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 1.77E-6 / 0.09999998 (374724 shares, 0.66177717 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87150 @ 0.00034011 = 29.6406 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20427544 = 1.0214 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a non-derp version of this: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/hacker-lexicon-air-gap/ << i.e. an extension of the trilema air-gap article.
thestringpuller: the trilema article on practical airgapping is a good start, but a "read more"
mike_c: "But many companies insist that a network or system is sufficiently air-gapped even if it is only separated from other computers or networks by a software firewall." << uh, not that one.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell williamdunne btw, were you going to put bitbet bets in scoopbot ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well obviously. but the problem for hypocrites is : i may at may lesure discuss their affairs in either the nominal terms they put forth or the actual realty involved, and randomly equate one branch with another at any point i feel like.
mircea_popescu: the untenability of their position is aka the liar's curse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00034011 = 16.0872 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up nocturne
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from ritholz site : "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all
mircea_popescu: civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.
mircea_popescu: Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment."
mircea_popescu: irony crits for some k's.
ben_vulpes: he's funny from time to time
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall the same thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145206 @ 0.00033498 = 48.6411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00032998 = 11.2523 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Assuming, as economists usually do in aggregate analysis, that capital enhances the productivity of labor, and labor enhances the productivity of capital, then the efficient reaction to less labor is to have less capital. Investment is the rate of change of the capital stock, so even small reductions in the capital stock may be achieved by large investment reductions for a short period of time. For this reason, invest
mircea_popescu: ment is expected to decline by a much greater percentage than consumption in the short term, and by the same percentage in the long term. In this view, the investment decline is entirely a reaction to the labor market, and not a cause of the low rates of labor usage."
mircea_popescu: aka, some countries are just not worth bothering with. the country of africa, the country of north america chief on the list.
chetty: !up Smallish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57717 @ 0.00034215 = 19.7479 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: https://life.indiegogo.com/fundraisers/a-new-engine-for-my-boat << poor mr o reduced to this ?
assbot: A new engine for my boat | Indiegogo Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCfHPi )
mircea_popescu: is that thing covered in ejaculate ?
mod6: hahaha
mod6: look how rusted the rocker arms are
mircea_popescu: in any case, 150 bucks, almost a full bitcoin. and he didn't even have to shove it up his ass.
mircea_popescu: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
mircea_popescu: https://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_fill,h_660,w_660/v1433433357/cnxdchjhzr0omvb0ews1.jpg << somehow i thought he was younger.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd5366 )
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article. << fixed
mircea_popescu: "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above
mircea_popescu: 25 cents per hour would be above the market-clearing price. Yet he can never reach the productivity of the foreign contractors unless he can get substantial work experience.]"
mircea_popescu: this matches my experience. the average english speaking "civilised world" young adult can pull on his own something between a dime and a quarter per hour's worth.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't actually cover the cost of maintaining the infrastructure he needs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3083 @ 0.00033544 = 1.0342 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: link, mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: One of the biggest surprises in the book is the importance of federal mortgage loan forgiveness: “This chapter shows how all of these outcomes, and more, may be a direct result of stark incentives created by the FDIC and HAMP programs (hereafter jointly referenced as FH) and their practice of targeting the ratio of housing expenses to borrower income. The FH programs offer modifications on the basis of borrower incom
mircea_popescu: e reported to the United States Internal Revenue Service. The first section of the chapter shows how the programs resemble government safety net programs, except that the marginal income tax rates from mortgage modification far exceed 100 percent in some instances.” It turned out that a person’s mortgage payments would be reduced by $1.31 for every $1 fall in income. In other words a lower-income American with a mo
mircea_popescu: rtgage would have more spending power by working fewer hours and/or quitting altogether. Mulligan also notes that as the program was unfavorable to lenders they had a huge incentive to “promote borrower confusion and uncertainty about the disposition of their modification application.” (i.e., the bureaucratic run-around might not have been accidental!)
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd6Hom )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119002 @ 0.00032438 = 38.6019 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16815 @ 0.00032337 = 5.4375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00033643 = 18.1672 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44638 @ 0.00034425 = 15.3666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84121 @ 0.00035438 = 29.8108 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase
assbot: Chinese Exchanges Reject Gavin Andresen’s 20 MB Block Size Increase ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQDIDC )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45447 @ 0.00035438 = 16.1055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54553 @ 0.000355 = 19.3663 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: the commentary on reddit is bottom of the barrel.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but too be expected
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38os22/chinese_exchanges_reject_gavin_andresens_20_mb/crwqk0r << the only good comment in that thread of poo
davout: thestringpuller: good one indeed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95365 @ 0.00035686 = 34.032 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00034933 = 29.0643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3083 @ 0.00034933 = 1.077 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: awww the butthurt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65311 @ 0.00035695 = 23.3128 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://www.fredoneverything.net/Commentators.shtml << dude i'm so fucking sick of this inept egalitatianism.
mircea_popescu: the point isn't that smart people are somehow misguidedly imagining that everyone's smart like them.
mircea_popescu: the point is that people who aren't like them have no fucking business here.
chetty: and I thought wasmostly dumb people imaging everyone else was too
mircea_popescu: that's common enough.
mircea_popescu: but specifically dregs like
mircea_popescu: "I often see victims of Commentator’s Disease arguing against the minimum wage on abstract grounds of economic theory. It is what commentators do—bandy abstractions, railing for or against Keynes, assaulting their ideological opponents with pointed phrases. They have never had to do the arithmetic of forty times the minimum wage minus taxes minus bus fare minus rent and gotta pay the cable because it is the only th
mircea_popescu: ing they have after work. They have never had to choose between the electric bill and a new coat as winter comes on."
mircea_popescu: dude... who the fuck said x SHOULDNT have to choose between electricity and a coat.
mircea_popescu: this is what fucking economy is. choice.
mircea_popescu: and yes, people don't get all they want, and the stupid don't get "basics" whereas the smart don't get "unimportant stuff".
mircea_popescu: this has more to do with the fact that ipso definitio the preoccupations of the stupid will be banal. they don't have what with to miss things above a coat.
mircea_popescu: if we're in weepathon mode, how about for every coat some poor kid borne by stupid parents never got,
mircea_popescu: we count the fifty billion complex mechanical dragonflies rich kids borne by smart parents never got.
jurov: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z anyone wanna try it? i should have borrowed alf's ascii art, tho :D
chetty: well simple fact is raising the min wage isnt going to get that coat anyway, so its a silly argument
mircea_popescu: i have to choose between fixing X software and Y policy. because the idiots that came before me have made NOT ONE RIGHT THING.
mircea_popescu: not one.
mircea_popescu: nothing's correctly made.
mircea_popescu: jurov has to choose between taking 3 gb out of the 4gb binary or fixing email.
jurov: sha256sum: 4a62082679875681654a7f4fd5844f5f33bff7a6cbc3ca0c8cefe4a85a8a066f Eulora-June12015-win32.7z
jurov: 500M in the end
mircea_popescu: fucking hell, poor idiots and their coats, i hope they never see a coat again and live in antarctica for the rest of their dais.
mircea_popescu: chetty sure, but whatr insults me here is the pretense that somehow the feelings of the bovine are more important inasmuch as they;re mostly absent.
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.000358 = 23.8786 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: whet email is broken?
jurov: *what
mircea_popescu: all email is broken.
jurov: everyday snafu
mircea_popescu: jurov 500mb is not too bad considering the sourceball is like 160mb
jurov: fortunately almost all crud was in src/ out/ and mk/ dirs
jurov: now, if someone can lend me osx machine...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213700 @ 0.00035813 = 76.5324 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: jurov is the magic man, well doneand thank you
jurov: i'm still waiting for independent confirmation
mircea_popescu: jurov plox make a post on exployt so i can reference it in the future etc ?
jurov: about the release?
mircea_popescu: if you need bw support i can host the file on eulora server
mircea_popescu: yes
jurov: yes, if it works, pls host it there
mircea_popescu: one sec
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112600 @ 0.00035881 = 40.402 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do we just post here for a login?
mircea_popescu: basically.
thestringpuller: what do you need to make one?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00035944 = 33.4639 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i need you to stop trying to go around things as if you're going to maintain some sort of control over the process or something. what all the periphrase and metaconsiderations ? you've seen a dozen people get one through saying the magic words "gimme one" or somesuch.
scoopbot_revived: Bandits Stick Up Craigslist Bitcoin Seller http://qntra.net/2015/06/bandits-stick-up-craigslist-bitcoin-seller/
mircea_popescu: do the same, not likely ot kill ya.
mike_c: jurov: is that a debug build?
jurov: yes
mircea_popescu: why ?
mike_c: wouldn't run because missing msvcp100d.dll, the debug version of that library.
mircea_popescu: jurov wouldn't it make sense to just strip the symbols and etc for a release ?
scoopbot_revived: Eulora for Windows http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: lets go with "Damien Wayne"
jurov: ^ mircea_popescu your url.
jurov: but ofc it will need to be updated
mike_c: won't it likely also run quite slowly? is it tough to get release building?
jurov: it ran fine here
mike_c: you have the debug VC redistributable file :)
jurov: no i mean the speed
mike_c: ah
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://dpaste.com/19CPJP7
assbot: dpaste: 19CPJP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha7EP2 )
mircea_popescu: (you pick your own name in game)
thestringpuller: ah
mircea_popescu: jurov danke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00036001 = 30.3128 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news, stuff that'll get cazalla sent to prison : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbf37krn4p1qkw0kjo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo "The dangers of trapping has"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20427544 = 2.4513 BTC [-]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i think it's only illegal if she was urinating on another
shinohai: http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w <<< the fount or reddit's knowledge
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha9YWp )
shinohai: *of
mike_c: I feel so close yet so far :) jurov: do you think you can crank out a release version or should I hunt down a debug version of the VC libraries?
jurov: mike_c i don't know, try with the debug version
kuzetsa: this new !verify thing was unexpected, but not too hard to figure out
mircea_popescu: cazalla oh i c
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you here for the eulora ? :D
cazalla: speaking of eulora, binaries avail yet?
trinque: what's australia now, alabama of the sea?
mircea_popescu: yes jurov just made a windows thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224450 @ 0.00034931 = 78.4026 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: in logs? (still catching up)
jurov: ..that doesn't work outside msvc10 yet
mircea_popescu: cazalla apparently it doesn't work 100% yet but hey, won't be long nao
kuzetsa: no, I play everquest, minecraft, kerbal space program, and various game APKs on my android device but nothing about eulora looks interesting to me :(
kuzetsa: not my cup of tea
mircea_popescu: aok
cazalla: kuzetsa, p99?
kuzetsa: no, proper everquest (even though it's now run by daybreak games ever since the sony online entertainment studio had all the rights sold)
cazalla: yeah, i heard about that, my bet is eqn gets shitcanned too
cazalla: best mmorpg evar, but i can't imagine playing eq post velious tbh
kuzetsa: loosing out on whatever EQN supposedly brought with it isn't anything I'll miss (hell, I was never invested into such things enough to even know what it is)
kuzetsa: I'm pretty sure AAs were pre-velious
kuzetsa: I've got a non-zero amount of AAs on my main
cazalla: AAs came with PoP
cazalla: actually might've been luclin
kuzetsa: I've gotta admit, I never paid attention to the timeline enough to know if planes of power / luclin / velious / etc. etc. etc. came before or after <other expansion>
cazalla: kunark, velious, luclin, planes of power, frog xpac which was the first dlc (when i quit)
kuzetsa: nod
cazalla: i spent 16 hours a day playing that shit for years so..
kuzetsa: I did that on starwars galaxies
cazalla: never played it but i have read that it was great prior to some big patch
kuzetsa: I started with everquest, but once that came out SWG became my main MMO for 7 years but then they shut it down a while ago so I dunno
kuzetsa: I miss it, and that "old republic" MMO is rubbish and almost none of my friends from SWG liked it and neither did I lol
cazalla: i still have my old eq boxes with the keith parkinson artwork, wouldn't mind getting some of his long ago signed pieces http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/sov.jpg but can't really spring for it at this point
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaeRyI )
cazalla: for the money spent on it, swtor was utter shit
kuzetsa: lol yeah
kuzetsa: too much work on game engine design and not enough development into the worldbuidling, gameplay, and storyline
kuzetsa: it's nothing like SWG
cazalla: his diablo 2 art is nice too http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/diablo2.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HafacH )
cazalla: kuzetsa, i didn't even reach the level cap in swtor, it was basically an inferior WoW with voice overs
kuzetsa: heh
jurov: mike_c there? looks like i have nondebug build
danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper_
jurov: mike_c or anyone else who has downloaded the win32 package: unpack this in C:\Eulora\June2015\Eulora
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50687 @ 0.00034781 = 17.6294 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HagKeR )
jurov: (only binaries, 11MB)
trinque: jurov: prolly good to post a hash of teh thing
jurov: sha256sum 7f02d5a9e0d42422a82b28e1a08ee3765798e75e604082fddac9164def6c4f7a Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z
jurov: thx trinque
trinque: sweet
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yes, and possibly the curated porn list. I've been busy this week on a rescue mission
mircea_popescu: kitens ?
williamdunne: Gay disabled blind orphan paraplegic puppies
trinque: reminds me of some old flash game from the 90s that involved an amputee dog
williamdunne: >flash
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: newz!
asciilifeform: 1) phuctor now has 'download this key' link
trinque: williamdunne: 90s were all about flash mang
williamdunne: While its not 90s, for me it was always Runescape
asciilifeform: 2) http://nosuchlabs.com/rss but not sure if this can be used in battlefield, because - guess what - werker never marked dates of phuctoring, and hence db schema never had a place for this. ergo the only dates we have are of -date submitted-
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HakgFZ )
williamdunne: ~2003
asciilifeform: presently the rss link displays last 10 (in order added to db in first place, rather than order-of-phuctoring)
asciilifeform: the whole thing -will- have to be re-written...
asciilifeform fucking hates www programming and anything even remotely connected
jurov: asciilifeform wd!
trinque: even hunchentoot?
asciilifeform: well not quite wd
asciilifeform: see above
asciilifeform: trinque: even hunchentoot. the www stack is fundamentally retarded
trinque: can't argue with that
jurov: like my windows binaries. *shrug*
jurov: is anyone trying them? if not' i'm supposed to wake up tmrw
jurov: and sleep before that
trinque: jurov: I have no windoze box to test with, but will be derping with gentoo 64 tomorrow
williamdunne: I'll have a shot with Windoze tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80650 @ 0.00035661 = 28.7606 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, please to provide me with a login/pass for eulora
cazalla: jurov, i'll give your windows binaries a whirl in a moment
cazalla: crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw
shinohai: ty asciilifeform for the rss feed, as now I can search easily from my irc client :D
asciilifeform: shinohai: it may or may not be usable, please read disclaimer
asciilifeform: the reason i cannot say for certain, is that i have very little idea of what a typical rss -reader- does with the timestamp
asciilifeform: and can't presently be arsed to research it
kakobrekla: hence rss suicide joke.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ?
kakobrekla: i thought it was in the bash somewhere
funkenstein_: greets - I'm curious what all y'all have to say about moxie's review of gpg
funkenstein_: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/
assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hambua )
kakobrekla: anyway, the idea was that Aaron Swartz made suicide precisely because of RSS
asciilifeform: !s marlinspike
assbot: 12 results for 'marlinspike' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marlinspike
asciilifeform: funkenstein_ ^
funkenstein_: ah thanks... *runs to catch up*
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: short version - mr m is a usg shill
funkenstein_: :o
trinque: til he picked that name on purpose
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#975028 yeah.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 23:56:21; kakobrekla: whoever responsible for rss should commit suicide.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a navalism, like 'mark twain'
funkenstein_: maybe he saw the future of reddit
trinque: asciilifeform: yep, sounded like hippie parents to me
shinohai: lol
asciilifeform: and naggum then perhaps performed seppuku to atone for xml
mircea_popescu: motherfucker NOTHING WORKS
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: 19:42:04Error:Connection timed out.
asciilifeform: mine?
mircea_popescu: is pureftpd up and listening oin port ? yes.
mircea_popescu: is port open in firewall ? yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: passive mode ?
mircea_popescu: and what am i to do, go rebuild apache or install alsa or what the fucking shit already
asciilifeform: ftp by default on many systems expects an idiot back-connect
asciilifeform: on random (yes) port
mircea_popescu: forcing passive doesn't do anything
asciilifeform: would have to sniff packets on both sides and see where, if anywhere, they went. alternatively, set fire to it
trinque: dwarf fortress tends to come to mind there
trinque: you could learn how to play, and it might end up being fun, but wtf bother
mircea_popescu: yes, because that's what i'm going to do with my time, sniff motherfucking packlets.
jurov: cazalla, i got it fine quickly from cs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also earlier (20 min or so) thread re: rss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160449 @ 0.00036022 = 57.7969 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: also, added its sum to http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows . looks like they don't publish the checksums at all
assbot: Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQUOIQ )
jurov: ^ temporary instructions there,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8545 @ 0.00035939 = 3.071 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9EAEC825308C0EFCC787F82E9B5F2EEA4775641C49274D12A1EB2B6520F7FD1
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQV62f )
asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic'
asciilifeform: factors 3, 7, 11, 23
cazalla: jurov, any idea what this is on the cs-winlibs install? can't find C:\Program Files (x86)\MSYS\msys\1.0\etc\profile when installing MSYS integration settings
asciilifeform: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=line%40home.com&op=index << and, as always, somebody 'helpfully' uploaded it 'on top of' this fella's genuine key
assbot: Search results for 'line home com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaoEVx )
jurov: you don't have msys, nor vs, that can be safely cancelled
jurov: cazalla ^
cazalla: hmm no go, missing MSVCP100D.dll
jurov: damn
asciilifeform: hm, 'line home com' has -two identical- keys, uploaded on same date, bitwise same
jurov: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5555 cazalla you can try this
assbot: Download Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) from Official Microsoft Download Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQWdPF )
asciilifeform: so no sample of undiddled modulus for this key is known.
cazalla: jurov, just did, same error
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the second or perhaps third instance thus far that i have found so far of someone who -will- be spoken to using phucked key if anyone ever bothers to speak to him
asciilifeform: aaand we are now at precisely 40 phucked moduli.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform line@home ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00035398 = 5.6106 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla coming up
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/3A2ZYVP
assbot: dpaste: 3A2ZYVP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Haqe9I )
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw << link ? jurov can then mirror it along with everything else.
cazalla: jurov problem with what i'm doing or the client? not sure what else i can do here now
mircea_popescu: for the record, my ftp problem was that someone had the bright idea of allowing port 21, but not port 20.
mircea_popescu: needless to say...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier link to freshly phucked key
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can the rss thing be made to work as expected in the form of a #b-a bot ? or too b0rk3d
jurov: asciilifeform: you mean bot reading rss feed? we have that.
williamdunne: Scoopbot can read any RSS or atom feed
kakobrekla: as far as i can tell dates are incorrect but the order is correct in your feed ? thats workable. perhaps scoop can cover it. i can too.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: the dates are entirely unusable. see thread
asciilifeform: i recall that mircea_popescu asked for a real-time phuctor ticker.
asciilifeform: hence why i attempted it
kakobrekla: williamdunne be my guest!
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Dates aren't involved in Scoop's processes
williamdunne: Thoroughly ignored by him.
williamdunne: Uses a persisted Map of URLs to objects. Messages when he sees a new one
asciilifeform: what determines 'new' ?
williamdunne: Whether or not the URL is in the map
asciilifeform: and stores forever ?
williamdunne: Persisted, yes
asciilifeform: thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice.
asciilifeform: rss provided no sane way to handle this.
williamdunne: In this case I may have to make a custom set of rules for Phuctor
williamdunne: This is not a problem, so long as something changes between first seen and the update
williamdunne: (title, ideally)
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible for same key to be 'new' twice in succession.
williamdunne: Within how long of each other?
asciilifeform: immediately.
williamdunne: Well then why does this matter? Scoop shares it once and you see both
asciilifeform: it doesn't matter. just pointing out that the thing follows literally none of the prescribed assumptions
asciilifeform: wouldn't want scoopbot to choke on it
williamdunne: Fair enough, think he'll do fine. Fits in quite well with his existing logic
shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38mhrh/call_me_inconsiderate_but_this_is_why_i_dont_take/crw6atd
assbot: luke-jr comments on Call me inconsiderate, but THIS is why I don't take Luke-Jr seriously: He lost the majority of his coins on Mt. Gox when there were signs FOR MONTHS to NOT keep coins there. He lacks the ability to properly gauge situations and look into the future. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxr94n )
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice. << it'll be fine im sure.
asciilifeform: was just pointing out the braindamage of the whole concept of rss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00035104 = 27.6795 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (and this is entirely aside from the idiocy of how servers get polled continuously, etc)
williamdunne: >just using it for safekeeping
williamdunne: Yes
williamdunne: RSS is silly
williamdunne: With Scoop I worked out a structure that fixes some of the issues
williamdunne: i.e Dates
williamdunne: Re: polling, what would you suggest as the alternative? Websockets?
asciilifeform: williamdunne: no
asciilifeform: williamdunne: a proper internet
asciilifeform: as in, we take everything post-1990 or so and shoot it. then start over.
williamdunne: I'll get working on it on Monday
williamdunne: ;)
asciilifeform: l0l
williamdunne: Anyhow, what in particular is wrong with it? While there is a host of derpy technologies I'm quite fond of some things - like WebSockets
asciilifeform: williamdunne: fundamentally - the idiot polling
asciilifeform: all else follows from this.
williamdunne: Isn't that the point of WebSockets, getting rid of derpy polling?
williamdunne: No moar ajax polling
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