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mircea_popescu: for completeness.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun recall, who was that dude ?
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: Bsrack obama?
trinque: danielpbarron: http://dpaste.com/3EVB8XP
assbot: dpaste: 3EVB8XP: fuckbag IPs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4A6k )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who was that dude << no idea, my best hypothesis is that he isn't alive at all but a script
nubbins`: jfdjdjdjdjrejeii did you?
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: Yeah im a troll whatever
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/4be4d9998c39d363099cc70e5b73b674/tumblr_nlrycyiKM21sgp77yo1_1280.jpg << the ows movement that didn't make it into gawker.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4NGA )
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: Who has an xbox one?
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: I kick there ass in cod
trinque: !down jfdjdjdjdjrejeii
trinque: log shows a connect attempt every 1-2sec until Mar 25 16:33:40 PST
mod6: somehow i dl'd a live cd? o.O
nubbins`: nb
trinque: also PSA, ec2's firewall thing now does outbound rules too
mod6: can anyone direct me to a installable gentoo iso for x86_32
mod6: this is annoying. sorry.
mod6: (non-live cd)
trinque: that's how you install it
trinque: boot the livecd then follow the handbook
mod6: it is?
trinque: yeah
mod6: D:
trinque: it's not that bad
trinque: great way to become acquainted with the internals too
mod6: we shuold just support slackware from floppy disks
trinque: boot cd -> partition drive -> untar stage3 -> build kernel -> set up grub
trinque: with some handwaving along the way
mod6: dear lord
mod6: if i use aws do i get to bypass this bullshit?
trinque: mod6: these guys have their own gentoo AMIs if you trust 'em http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/gentoo-in-the-cloud/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na76JM )
trinque: otherwise those bootstrap instructions are in order
jurov: mod6 what's the problem with handbook?
mod6: i wanna just work on bitcoin, not learn the in's and out's of gentoo :P
mod6: *sigh*
mod6: guess i'll give it a whirl. wth.
trinque: >linux
trinque: >i just wanna
trinque: lol
mod6: *stab*
trinque: :D
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbcasks-debate-is-politics-broken-1.3008834
assbot: #CBCAsks debate: Is politics broken? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na7tUJ )
nubbins`: heh
mike_c: mod6: helpful? http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/pygoscelis-papua/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGhQd )
trinque: mike_c: yeh that's the one I linked
jurov: "Starting in January 2015, we will ... cease building the 32-bit images"
mike_c: yeah, but there are still some on there
mike_c: from last november
trinque: https://www.niftiestsoftware.com/2011/09/24/converting-a-virtualbox-vm-to-an-ec2-ami/ << also possible
assbot: Converting a VirtualBox VM to an EC2 AMI | Niftiest Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGK53 )
jurov: mod6 alternatively you can hire someone to configure the system *nudge* *wink*
mircea_popescu: argentina is so musically fucking weird omg...
mircea_popescu: they all sing the same song. they all sing the SAME SONG
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/
assbot: Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoHWoX )
mircea_popescu: the same song. they sing it. same. song.
nubbins`: heh!
mircea_popescu: yeah, the competition is called "mp said the nodes are the weakest point of bitcoin, bitcoin ppls are fixing it"
asciilifeform: what song ?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: maybe not. could be a much dumber reason. "It's all one node just with 600 addresses. This is what happens when you fucking pay people to sybil attack the network."
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOGFENyGJM <<
assbot: "BRASIL DECIME QUE SE SIENTE" CON LETRA HD - "Hit" de los Hinchas Argentinos en Brasil - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na9xMA )
mircea_popescu: they change the words. but the song fprever the same. no matter what happens. this is the song.
mircea_popescu: and amusingly they think it's some pop rock of the 70s.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the notion of "counting nodes" is bizarre in the first place.
mircea_popescu: why not count "water taps" while at it.
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: ie, most infrastructure nodes i know of work on SOME SORT ofload balancing or othewr, necessarily thus exposing variable ips to the world etc.
nubbins`: <nubbins`> anyway, only counting 0.8.x and above, that's like giving a population count of every country in the world, but excluding everyone under 5 feet tall.
nubbins`: and also only measuring the head of each household
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9c8248cf59d3897128ba0917e70e831a/tumblr_njxlug21jx1r3tor7o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoKxiP )
nubbins`: i didn't know you were a foodie
mike_c: do they give any justification for the version requirement?
mircea_popescu: who they ?
mike_c: this retarded australian
mike_c: and/or the phoundation.
mircea_popescu: dawg... you wanna see comedy look through the foudnation voting thing. what justification ?
nubbins`: 'cause there was totally a hard fork duod.
nubbins`: earlier than 0.8 won't work
nubbins`: duod
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder they find the fridge 5 times a week
nubbins`: because changing a config setting in a peripheral piece of software is a fork
nubbins`: (duod)
nubbins`: http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/307ihi/til_that_when_a_cockroach_touches_a_human_it_runs/cpq3jky?context=3
assbot: goosegoosegoosegoose comments on TIL that when a cockroach touches a human it runs to safety to clean itself ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoLqIc )
mike_c: ah, the great accident was around that version.
nubbins`: "My husband pushes me over to the sink and shoves my head under the faucet, trying to flush it out, but every millimeter of space in my ear is full of horrific cockroach. For some reason, he pulls my pajama top off. I still ask him why, but he doesn't know. Either he didn't want my shirt to get wet, or titties."
mod6: ok so what version of stage3 are people using from the mirror? 12.1, 12.0, 11.2... ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey, changing the world right ? like that chick changing they into whey or w/e
mod6: jurov: lol, this is supposed be a "quick" setup and test. didn't think it'd be a three hour tour.
mike_c: so use the ami..
mod6: or have to hire a captain
mike_c: you'll be up in 5 mins.
mod6: yah ok. fts
nubbins`: hi marteen
marteen: hi nubbins` :)
nubbins`: qu'est-ce que c'est?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i guess some folks don't own vacuum pumps ?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: life's too short to read the foundation forum. i flipped the bozo bit on them, no more research required :)
nubbins`: asciilifeform vacuum + ear?!
nubbins`: granted, her eardrum ended up getting shredded anyway.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not whole ear!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: thin nozzle
nubbins`: ah
nubbins`: just roach ass
nubbins`: i'm sure they had at least a turkey baster
nubbins`: but, y'know. panic.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that reddit is the most retarded shit i ever read.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu she'll have a series of novels out this year
mircea_popescu got bit by viper, chick in group sucked it out the next moment, me was fine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
nubbins`: i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants
jurov: dunno if you can get any chich to suck out the bug
mircea_popescu: their mouths don't work.
jurov: *chick
mircea_popescu: jurov so the problem suddenly isn't the bug
asciilifeform: ^^^^
mircea_popescu: "i'll lick out his asshole but fuck take that bug away from me"
asciilifeform: the problem, if we continue with this valuable train of thought, - is almost never the bug, per se.
asciilifeform: it is always the available suction.
trinque got ass-bit by a brown recluse once, didn't bitch as much as the story
trinque: complete with dying flesh
mircea_popescu: notice that the idiots in question cost an emergency call, an er visit plus an emt visit later
mircea_popescu: plus drugs. hours out of the lives of a dozen + people, all supposedly skilled.
mircea_popescu: this is about as sustainable as a tower of liquid piss in the shape of roosevelt's wheelchair.
nubbins`: once, while on vacation, my mom got bitten on the face a couple times by some sort of spider
nubbins`: got all stiff etc
nubbins`: had to go to an AMERICAN HOSPITAL
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants << for one thing fire ants are more exotic than vipers in carpathians. for the other, i would bet a lot more painful. poor snake's drastically overhyped
mircea_popescu: (so is scorpion, for that matter. most don't kill or anything)
nubbins`: it def didn't tickle
nubbins`: (on jungle walk. woman in front of me says "aah! ants!" then proceeds to try brushing them off WHERE SHE STOOD)
mircea_popescu: europe is particularly mild on this shit. you get stung by the tiny polen wasps that live ther,e it's like... mk.
trinque: they drained quite a bit of death out of my asscheek and thigh
mircea_popescu: get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd...
trinque: I was drugged to hell, laughing about it
asciilifeform: what's in a wasp, anyway? formic acid ?
BingoBoingo: lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524101.msg5932326#msg5932326
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24260 @ 0.00024259 = 5.8852 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends on the wasp, but not very well known really.
mircea_popescu: "apitoxin" is you know, one of those vinegars peterl analysed.
nubbins`: peptides+enzymes followed by norepinephrine followed by hyaluronidase and MCDP
mircea_popescu: some sort of quinone iirc.
asciilifeform: speaking of vinegars,
asciilifeform: the wine thing
nubbins`: that is to say, enzymes and more enzymes
asciilifeform: i think the 'wine experts' who don't get nailed by the food colouring experiment live in the same place as meta-nsa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this is something that you could pleasantly research ?
asciilifeform: (which is to say, the land of the i-can't-rule-it-out marvels)
mircea_popescu: there's no way they don't have that shit in dc, with all the dumb money floating about. take the girl out for a wine tasting show once
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was famously and publicly done not long ago, but i've misplaced the link
nubbins`: wine tasting shows are hilarious
asciilifeform: that was actually why i remembered.
nubbins`: sommelier friend of mine has worked a few
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to go as far as to say "date a french somellier chick that can actually tell you what you ate after you squirt her palate"
asciilifeform: thing is, i'm not sure if we have 'the genuine article' sort of expert around here
asciilifeform: not sure if the test was ever attempted in a 'serious' wine country
mircea_popescu: so wiat, is your thesis that this doesn't exist ? or what ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform the genuine articles are few and far between
asciilifeform: my thesis is that i've not a clue.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: ah lol. so then my suggestion best avenue.
asciilifeform: 'It's all one node just with 600 addresses.' << ahahahaha.
asciilifeform picks self up from floor
nubbins`: asciilifeform there's 140 "master sommeliers" in usa
nubbins`: so maybe 25-50 legit
nubbins`: but... that aside,
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070578 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 15:00:24; *: nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712152 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:16; asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712153 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:26; asciilifeform: locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik
nubbins`: oooo
asciilifeform: iirc works on wine
nubbins`: that's cool
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd... << There's a burrowing and colonizing Vespid species endemic here. When they nest in the yard it is time for the serious chemicals. Eradicating a nest will scar that part of the yard for years.
asciilifeform: to the point of outputting how many days in cask of what wood
nubbins`: great for finding food pairs!
nubbins`: twodogland is generally free of nasty vermin
asciilifeform: i still suspect that 'cyranose' was disappeared not only because useful in homeland severity (tm)
nubbins`: no snakes, raccoons, skunks, venomous spiders...
asciilifeform: but because it readily exposes fraudulent 'food'
nubbins`: lel
asciilifeform: if programmed appropriately
nubbins`: scan a GMO apple
mircea_popescu: haha
asciilifeform: and could be manufactured for a few usd
mircea_popescu: so next nsa product ?
asciilifeform: (solid-state carboniferous sensor)
nubbins`: "this isn't olive oil!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right after we can make even a z80 yes
mircea_popescu: ahak
asciilifeform refers 'gmo' enthusiasts to old thread
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827711 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 19:19:30; asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.'
nubbins`: who maintains thebitcoin.foundation website?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827645 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:40:01; asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc it was jurov
nubbins`: jurov if this is correct, plz to small change?
nubbins`: <font face="courier" color="#00FF00" size="+1"> <<< size should be either not present, or -1
nubbins`: dat huge text
mod6: i do
mod6: is that better?
mod6: (removed the size attribute)
mod6: ok gentoo up and running...
mod6: building openssl first to ensure good build.
nubbins`: mod6 perf thanks
nubbins`: now the banner fits on my screen :D
ben_vulpes: persnickety sob
ben_vulpes: <3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25808 @ 0.00022673 = 5.8514 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 349256 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52024434137.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.35951
nubbins`: ben_vulpes didn't ya hear, nobody cares unless it looks good? 8)
nubbins`: at least i suggest fixes ;D
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 379131327.415
TheNewDeal: sweet hash
ben_vulpes: y'r a dear
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1071588 << my guess is this -> http://blockchainworkshops.org/?page_id=237☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 23:50:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron where was this ?
assbot: Stanford Blockchain Workshop (March 2015) ... ( http://bit.ly/19mp0d8 )
danielpbarron: A workshop examining the interplay between blockchain technologies, including distributed cryptoledger, and existing legal infrastructure or regulatory regimes.
danielpbarron: The workshop will gather technologists, lawyers and entrepreneurs involved in the deployment of distributed blockchain-based applications. Topics discusses will sketch out a techno-legal framework to resolve the challenges facing applications of these technologies without hindering their distributed potential and decentralized character.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo? << Why SSH into a machine you have physical access to?
danielpbarron: well unless yours is adulterated, or at the very least set up for net console...
ben_vulpes: hm. i'll read your documentation before embarrasing myself further...
danielpbarron: it's not easy to get into the thing without ssh
danielpbarron: requires soldering
mod6: openssl built fine. building bdb now
mod6: <+nubbins`> mod6 perf thanks << no prob :]
danielpbarron: last time i tried to build bitcoind i got this far -> util.h:650:8: error: 'uint32_t' does not name a type
mod6: hmm. i suspect this could be an environment problem... but we'll see.
danielpbarron: for openssl i had to do the "make install_sw" thing
mod6: *local environment problem.
danielpbarron: yeah it probably is
mod6: na, ididn't have to do anything different for openssl.
danielpbarron: i stupidly put 32 bit OS on 64 bit laptop
mod6: i just used the auto.sh (v0.0.5-32)
mod6: bdb is going now, we'll see how it comes out
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00020725 / 0.00022638 / 0.00025392 (885376 shares, 200.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00027433 / 0.00030622 (13180647 shares, 3,615.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.0003465 / 0.0004493 (80475736 shares, 27,884.94 BTC)
mod6: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00008962 / 0.00025 (136573 shares, 12.24 BTC)
mod6: ok bdb built fine.
mod6: now for boost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00022629 = 1.9687 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: kernel crashes.
asciilifeform: after 10 to 40 seconds of operation.
mod6: this your roll-ur-own one?
asciilifeform: stock sheevaplug under buildroot
asciilifeform: nothing cut yet
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: though i think i have a handle on why
asciilifeform: hm, no
asciilifeform: it wasn't the ill-fated sandisk sata flash.
asciilifeform: dies like clockwork
asciilifeform: i suspect a watchdog timer
mod6: :(
asciilifeform: there is nothing random about this crash.
mod6: this aws "small" is so much slower than "medium"
nubbins`: a timer!
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: classic cause of predictable and rapid death on embedded boxes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: normally a register where you have to flip a bit every S seconds or power cycled
nubbins`: sabotage
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i don't know for a fact that this is happening here. just a hunch
asciilifeform: based on working with many similar systems before.
asciilifeform: watchdogs aren't evil, they are a sad necessity in the world of typical c programmers
asciilifeform: or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually.
asciilifeform: nothing printed on system log
asciilifeform: so not a panic
mod6: hardware problem?
asciilifeform: nope
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually. << Plenty of people do to cars what you do to pogos
asciilifeform: this box is iron-stable running other items
nubbins`: this is vanilla 3.18 you're using?
asciilifeform: 3.18.1
asciilifeform: with whatever patches buildroot applies for kirkwood
asciilifeform: haven't read it all yet
asciilifeform: dies in 30.00 seconds of reset
asciilifeform: like fucking clock.
nubbins`: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/linux/3.18.3-1~exp1
assbot: 3.18.3-1~exp1 : linux package : Debian ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAk0gL )
nubbins`: maybe not relevant
nubbins`: "[armel/kirkwood]: Enable DEBUG_MVEBU_UART_ALTERNATE to match the behaviour
nubbins`: of previous boardfile based kirkwood kernels. Otherwise the kernel silently
nubbins`: crashes during boot."
nubbins`: ugh. sry
asciilifeform: it doesn't die during boot
asciilifeform: if you're quick on your feet, you get some console time
asciilifeform: (i built it with rootfs cemented in kernel just as a quick test, to avoid having to flash the nand. i have kernel load from lan via tftp for tests. with rootfs and all contents, it is around 21M.)
asciilifeform: but this is pretty obviously a mishandled timer
asciilifeform: 'drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)' during boot
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts it ends up switching on the watchdog countdown.
asciilifeform: while trying to init the rtc
decimation: re: wine > I took a class on winetasting in undergrad
decimation: my perception is that there is some science to it, but it's mostly bs
asciilifeform: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << ye olde manual
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1980b4w )
asciilifeform: pp. 368 table 117
decimation: at least, the tasting and the 'valuation' seem to be disconnected
asciilifeform: (and no, it is not available in any format other than pdf, nor is it remotely readable if put through garbage compactor and turned into text, fucking deal with it)
asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.'
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, agreed.
decimation: which is why argentina and chile are good places to find deals on reds
decimation: particularly malbec
mod6: ok
mod6: bitcoind builds statically on gentoo with auto.sh (v0.0.5-32)
decimation: asciilifeform: if marvell are so keen on supporting 'open source' devel, why don't they support a proper kernel build?
mod6: there are some different warnings than i've seen before though. i'll rebuild the entire thing again for good measure and use `script` to record the build.
mod6: hang tight.
asciilifeform: decimation: they think their 2.6.something built with proprietary (segger?) buildatron is 'open source'
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: i dropped the link to that turd here. can go and see for yourself
decimation: the problem with open source is that the source code might as well be on mars if nobody can read/use it
decimation: to be fair, I guess neither intel nor amd 'support' linux
decimation: except they probably both have staff working fulltime on the upstream kernel
PeterL: http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/25/house-passes-bill-make-hunting-harrassing-hunters-drone-crime/70441434/ << darn, I was looking forward to taking a deer with a quadcopter :( </sarcasm>
assbot: Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS )
decimation: lol 'harass hunter' with a quadcopter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00022629 = 3.7677 BTC [-]
PeterL: "The Michigan Department of Natural Resources hasn't received any complaints of hunters using a drone or getting harassed by a drone" << my representatives, hard at work solving problems they just invented
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/changtip-hire-bitcoin-subreddit-moderator/ << Mega lol
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decimation: why does this even need to be a law? isn't it obvious that if a flying object is 'harassing' you while you are armed, the proper answer is to shoot it?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact.
decimation: well, that's a fair point
mod6: ok one last thing before I rebuild... I needed to add the "-nodnsseed" to bitcoind upon start up otherwise it would just start and exit without doing anything
mod6: but now i've >10000 blocks
PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits
BingoBoingo: Cheap to the point of disposable is prolly the better avenue
decimation: actually this raises an interesting jurisdictional problem - the faa claims jurisdiction over all airspace above 0 feet
decimation: how can the state of michigan regulate interstate commerce?
decimation: after all, the fcc claims to regulate your wifi
decimation: via the same interstate commerce clause
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "ChangeTip BashCo" needs a comma?
BingoBoingo: fxd
danielpbarron: i wonder if that's the dude who banned me
BingoBoingo: Hard to say
nubbins`: well til what a watchdog timer is
nubbins`: asciilifeform the unit's got an rtc tho, it's just not seeing it?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sees, fails to init
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have no evidence that the two events are connected. mere suspicion.
nubbins`: k
nubbins`: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=250166#p250166
assbot: Pogoplug Mobile hardware support and device tree effort (Page 1) — Hardware Hacking — OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAoDr9 )
nubbins`: not sure if helpful
nubbins`: does list watchdog timer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25241 @ 0.00022629 = 5.7118 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731183/us-steel-to-temporarily-close.html << js paywall easy circumvention
BingoBoingo: http://www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731341/highland-man-turns-salvaged-copper.html << Complimentary lol "“My hands still have calluses from using No. 18 Weiss shear scissors to cut galvanized sheets to form gutters,” he said. “...You couldn’t afford a gutter today the way we made them.”
assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpZqM5 )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's supported in the kernel i'm testing
asciilifeform: which may well be the root of the problem
asciilifeform: presently testing a build with this crap removed with hot iron
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh i c. stanford technologees!
asciilifeform: decimation: after 'wickard v. filburn', usg gained - perfectly legally - the power to regulate how many shits we may take per week
asciilifeform: on account of this, possibly, having an effect on 'interstate commerce.'
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071933 << what'd that pricepoint be ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:26:12; asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.'
mircea_popescu: romania has (had ?) some exceptional wines at 5-10 dollars a bottle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: varies by locale
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i say 'above recycled piss pricepoint' it means getting squarely above the 'for the poor' product category in usa
asciilifeform: which exists from wine to shoelaces
mircea_popescu: i broadly agree, but imo veblen-ness behaves strangely, as in : window. from about 100 to maybe 5 or 10k a bottle.
mircea_popescu: there's a very proper middle, there's good reason to pay 80 rather than 15.
asciilifeform can believe
mircea_popescu: there's a very proper top. there's a good reason to pay 850k
asciilifeform: what reason ?
asciilifeform: that item is now a 'rembrandt' and can be authenticated ?
mircea_popescu: yup.
asciilifeform: for an archaeological artifact - sure.
asciilifeform: but drinking your artifact is lunacy.
mircea_popescu: (this perhaps easily conglimerated with veblen - but is not same.
asciilifeform knows that it is not the same
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform similar phenomenon with virgin slavegirls.
asciilifeform: a 'rembrandt' here is simply an analogue bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: slavegirl either lost virginity around 15 or 20.
mircea_popescu: in the saner 17-18 yo middle, notmany.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00022633 = 4.8321 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071949 << the importnat part there is the 2nd clause. im sure buncha idiot nerds were becoming a pain.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:34:59; assbot: Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS )
mircea_popescu: otherwise, hunting from flight already soundly illegal.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it occurs to me, that shavers character is like out of a novel. first he gets a civil supoena that he doens't ignore. then he self represents. and doesn't do homework. then he loses the suit. civil suit. he loses it. then he pleads not guilty in criminal proceedings.
asciilifeform: hell, in usa electronically setting off the shell is banned
mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell him this civil-criminal thing is as close as it gets to double jeopardy in the us
mircea_popescu: and preserved deliberately - to fuck up... well, basically, him.
BingoBoingo: It really is
BingoBoingo: Then again the major reason to retain an attorney in the us is to avoid spam
mircea_popescu: how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ?
mircea_popescu: "The average tip amount across all platforms is has fallen to ~$0.91, while the average tip amount on reddit is only ~$0.37… we can do better!"
mircea_popescu: and PART TIME.
mircea_popescu: incredibly cheap, these clay footed giants.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ? << That or make preponderance of evidence standard use as proof in criminal case
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071956 << drone meets buckshot tho... almost worth doing just to film it
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:38:56; BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but the usg (through usg->da) has already evaluated that
asciilifeform: just to film it << the chinese filmed it recently
mircea_popescu: you basing yourself on the theory usg->judge will != usg->da ?
asciilifeform: (link in log somewhere)
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071960 << "withstand" is pretty fuckin dangerous.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:40:21; PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits
asciilifeform: and for the type of flying machine normally encountered, 'birdshot' ought to suffice
mircea_popescu: best way to lose an eye is shoot shotguns at armored targets.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh my strategy? I retain lawyers because it forces opposition to route annoying phone calls through attorney
mircea_popescu: not yours lol. his.
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: Consider the example of a US bankruptcy case. You can cheaply and easily represent yourself if indigent, however you have to handle communications with all of the debtors, or... You scrape together enough to retain an attorney who has a process for handling that annoyance and also retain your sanity.
decimation: re: wine < yeah my perception is that > $10-15 is generally good. more expensive wines are also good, but there are loads of pretenders trying to get by on geography
decimation: once had an excellent german trockenbeernauslese for $50 and it was worth every penny
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed
BingoBoingo: But the shavers strategy seems to be only notable in the sense he pulled off a mega fraud in a space which at the time was especially gullible and vulnerable to mega fraud.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33227 @ 0.00022613 = 7.5136 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed << Hard on the phone.
mircea_popescu: you're not required to communicate via phone are you ?
mircea_popescu: what's this, mandatory webcam bankruptcy court ?
nubbins`: building cross-compile toolchain is slo-o-o-o-o-o-ow
BingoBoingo: USia, seriously messed up in the things people expect, legally
decimation: bankruptcy without debtor's prison is just silly
trinque: as is debtors prison without real money
decimation: heh good point
asciilifeform: usaschwitz is a gigantic open-air debtor's prison already.
nubbins`: debtor's prison = university
nubbins`: they make you go first, before you owe the money
mircea_popescu: i dunno, nubbins`. it'd be a lot better if the tit knew it's caged.
mircea_popescu: kinda what i like about eastern european campuses.
mircea_popescu: the tit doth know.
nubbins`: the tit abides
decimation: mircea_popescu: have you found any particularly good south american wines?
mircea_popescu: nope. i've found plenty perfectly acceptable tho.
mircea_popescu: actually, finding a bad one's more challenging.
decimation: yeah I've never been disappointed in random $10 malbec from chile/ar
danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0W9GXUcAAch26.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvIC06 )
mircea_popescu: i tihnk that;s pretty much it.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i wouldn't expect exceptional out of vineyards that aren;t even 500 years old.
mircea_popescu: but they do get the reasonable down pat.
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decimation: heh. of course many of those french vineyards were decimated by the phylloxera plague
mircea_popescu: doesn't really matter. terroir's terroir..
mircea_popescu: people know wtf this is. etc.
nubbins`: whoops. dat make clean.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yes, indeed it is
decimation: bourdeaux has been overpriced by chinese bezzlars, but it is also legitimately fine tasting
mircea_popescu: also somewhat of an aquired taste.
decimation: for folks who are dubious about the specifics, you can generally pick out particular flavors on the 'flavor wheel' like one shown here: http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/wine-topics/wine-educational-questions/davis-aroma-wheel/
assbot: Wine Aroma Wheel from UC Davis ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxbeRC )
mircea_popescu: srsly, vinegar, alcohol and sulphur dioxide in the same box ?
mircea_popescu: mkay... nm.
decimation: cabernet sauvignon (one of the bordeaux grapes) often has a tobacco flavor for instance
decimation: the impressive thing really is that the knowledgeable winemaker can bring out so many different flavors with just grapes, yeast, toasted oak, and time
mircea_popescu: "tobacco flavour" is kinda like "beautiful woman looks", but hey
mircea_popescu: it's not really like carving. it's farming.
decimation: farming and processing
asciilifeform: 'What is the cause of a corked wine? The culprit is usually one of two reasons, TCA, which is short for 2, 4,6 Trichloroanisole. TCA is a type of fungus that occurs naturally. Because TCA is a natural fungi present in the bark of the cork tree, it can be easily be taken into the cork.' << who wants to kill something after reading this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00022717 = 4.8842 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069941 << I can recieve and store pallet; have access to dock plate / forklift / pallet jack / etc☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 05:12:04; mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you store a pellet ?
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: cool, but meanwhoile the pellet seemed dudsy
danielpbarron: for future reference if the right unit comes up
nubbins`: i read it as pallet earlier. i can store pellets.
danielpbarron: at 2 USD per, that's still a great deal
danielpbarron: the blue unit is very nice too
asciilifeform: was.
nubbins`: wonder if "national liquidation" selling em on amazon would cut a deal
nubbins`: probably no huge incentive for them to
danielpbarron: not with the sudden surge of people buying "crates" of them
danielpbarron: wow that thing went for 400 ?? that's probably what it cost to ship them
danielpbarron: oh only 100 units, that's hardly a pallet
nubbins`: nope
nubbins`: those were open-box too
asciilifeform: were.
asciilifeform: srsly this is a mighty long thread about a dead'n'gone item
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: people are still talking about the ussr 8)
asciilifeform: that's different - lenin lives forever (TM) l0l
nubbins`: i just sent the liquidators a message, we'll see
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform its more about sorting out logistics imo
asciilifeform: aha then
asciilifeform still trying to build a kernel without wdt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00023592 = 5.7682 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: (not as simple as merely disabling it in config, 'buildroot' is very particular re: how it reads layers of configs)
asciilifeform: done.
asciilifeform: now...
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/fcfb1d8283bdbd71d50896fb45a81f9f/tumblr_ngnq0hPBx31qfz2j8o1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpJ9wh )
asciilifeform: ....
asciilifeform: ticktocktick...
asciilifeform: not dead yet..
mircea_popescu: poor africa.
asciilifeform: methinks i nailed it.
nubbins`: woo!
asciilifeform: (see thread for wtf a watchdog timer is and how i knew to look for it)
asciilifeform: i do so wonder what kinda joker initialized it AND LEFT IT ON
nubbins`: who let the watchdog out ;/
asciilifeform: 6813dfeaa3b1412501acd64c06042cdf9854a44296b529a226c624455085943e1f0ab15580f764abede77b07a4fd162227fc7a9095d21673a078f11a000c0e7e turdel-with-rootfs.gz
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel-with-rootfs.gz
asciilifeform: ^ this can be booted into for lulz
asciilifeform: root pw is ''
asciilifeform: no rootfs partition is needed as i crammed it in
asciilifeform: contains basic utils
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: who! wohwho
nubbins`: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/03/25/1917255/radioshack-puts-customer-data-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction
assbot: RadioShack Puts Customer Data Up For Sale In Bankruptcy Auction - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL4kr )
asciilifeform: i forgot to include sata
asciilifeform: will do that tomorrow
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-x86_32-bitcoind-static.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL9og )
mod6: danielpbarron: ^^^
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
asciilifeform: after turdel/kernel is nailed down, i will post deterministic build for it
asciilifeform: starting with a particular checkout of 'buildroot'
asciilifeform: and buncha diffs
asciilifeform: same as i did for, well, the rest
nubbins`: rad, i'll be trying this
nubbins`: so this all fits in nand?
asciilifeform: the idea in my mind is to eventually have the whole shebang build from buildroot
asciilifeform: nubbins`: <5MB total
nubbins` claps
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is kernel and all userland
nubbins`: amazing
asciilifeform: obviously no bitcoind in there, yet
asciilifeform: nothing esp. astonishing here
nubbins`: step at a time
asciilifeform: this is about how big a non-developer's linux ought to be
danielpbarron: Welcome to Buildroot
danielpbarron: buildroot login: root
danielpbarron: #
asciilifeform: try dmesg
asciilifeform: and top
asciilifeform: etc.
danielpbarron: neato
asciilifeform: most of the comforts of home, are there.
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it running overnight
danielpbarron: i can do that too if it helps
mod6: cool!
asciilifeform: in case there are other clock surprises
danielpbarron: i should unplug the serial connector though right?
asciilifeform: why?
danielpbarron: you said it overheats?
asciilifeform: wai wat ?!!
mod6: danielpbarron: and yah, im pulling blocks, need -nodnsseed though
asciilifeform: never said any such thing
asciilifeform: if heatsink is removed - yes, overheats
asciilifeform: but why remove it
asciilifeform: my serial cable goes right through the closed case
asciilifeform: i didn't even drill the latter
asciilifeform: just sorta crushed it in there
danielpbarron: ohh
danielpbarron: you meant the pogo board
mod6: ok im gonna shutdown this aws instance.
danielpbarron: yeah i reclosed my unit
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: feel free to screw the box shut
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: so no reason to unplug the serial cable, ever
asciilifeform: i have no idea how anyone could have gotten the notion that this causes overheating
danielpbarron: overheating of the serial adapter, not the pogo
danielpbarron: but clearly i misunderstood you
asciilifeform: wat?!?!!
asciilifeform: can't even imagine how chinese that adapter would have to be
asciilifeform: to ever begin to overheat
danielpbarron: !b 5
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TKX3SN.txt )
danielpbarron: just had this show up:
danielpbarron: # random: nonblocking pool is initialized
nubbins`: heh.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i must remind you - and everyone else here - that pogo has no rng.
asciilifeform: none at all
asciilifeform: not even a very bad one.
nubbins`: ok, sorry, this turdel, what am i doing with it once gunzipped?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's a kernel
asciilifeform: you can boot a pogo with it
danielpbarron: can it be used with net console?
asciilifeform: doesn't dhcp by default, so no
asciilifeform: i just tested the nic
danielpbarron: i don't think mine does dhcp and still works
asciilifeform: nic works
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: odd
danielpbarron: i don't mean now that it's booted
danielpbarron: imean in uboot
asciilifeform: i didn't change the uboot
danielpbarron: setenv serverip 192...
asciilifeform: dear glub
danielpbarron: yeah i know, i mean whatever thing i put on it
asciilifeform: uboot is in a separate nand partition
asciilifeform: i didn't touch it
asciilifeform: what i put up just now as turdel-with-rootfs is just a kernel
asciilifeform: i don't even flash these in, booting from lan
danielpbarron: same
asciilifeform: or probably would've worn out my nand already
danielpbarron: i mean that i had previously flashed in a different uboot
asciilifeform: and booting arch every time i do a build would be retarded
danielpbarron: one that lets me set a serverip
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: but that normally doesn't get you past the kernel jump-in
danielpbarron: as it boots it says "so and so is alive'
asciilifeform: after that it goes straight out ttyS0
asciilifeform: so danielpbarron's 'works' does not mean logging in through netconsole ?
asciilifeform: as in, to the shell
danielpbarron: i have not tried with the thing you just made
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: ok more logical
asciilifeform: don't expect that to work
asciilifeform: this turdel is strictly for folks with serial ports
asciilifeform: barring any other peculiar surprises, we have a linux kernel that builds for pogo, and runs there
asciilifeform: and an elementary userland to go with it
asciilifeform: ('busybox'-based)
asciilifeform: weights slightly under 5MB but can be cut a bit
asciilifeform: *weighs
danielpbarron: trying now
danielpbarron: oh i see what you mean
danielpbarron: i remember why this didn't work with the netbsd one
danielpbarron: what is the point of netcat then?
asciilifeform: which 'this'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the point of the console-over-netcat was strictly to be able to screw with u-boot (adjust boot device, etc.) without having the serial port
danielpbarron: ah
danielpbarron: ok nevermind, nubbins` learn to solder
asciilifeform: this won't be an issue for much longer
asciilifeform: i'ma fix it so it grabs a dhcp addr. tomorrow.
danielpbarron: i feel a lot more confident to write documentation on that now
asciilifeform: btw this is not what the proper kernel will look like
danielpbarron: i was really confused about netcat to be honest
asciilifeform: because linux supports the nand just fine
asciilifeform: and there is no reason to clutter up the precious ram
asciilifeform: with crap
asciilifeform: userland (incl. bitcoind) will live in nand
asciilifeform: right now they're stuffed in the kernel proper
asciilifeform: when all of this makes sense - i'll post the diff.
danielpbarron: well i'll also leave mine on overnight
danielpbarron: oh btw, what color is the light on yours?
asciilifeform: yellow
danielpbarron: i was gonna call it orange
asciilifeform: this simply means the bicolor is on
asciilifeform: as in, both bits set
danielpbarron: yeah
danielpbarron: it's not green and not red
asciilifeform: laugh, but this also must be fixed
asciilifeform: it'll be most people's only interface to their nodes...
danielpbarron: my arch pogos have working lights
danielpbarron: they are green 24/7
danielpbarron: lol
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: do you remember how to toggle them ?
danielpbarron: no
danielpbarron: i think it's in the debian instructions nubbins` found
danielpbarron: #set archNumber and machid (for LED)
danielpbarron: /tmp/fw_setenv arcNumber 3960
danielpbarron: /tmp/fw_setenv machid F78
asciilifeform: ^ this doesn't do anything unless your kernel looks for these numbers
felipelalli: Hi! I'd like to update this page: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots to add assbot and deedbot- how can I create an user in this wiki? Thank you.
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGTQ9f )
danielpbarron: ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ and me too plz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00022578 = 5.0349 BTC [-] {3}
felipelalli: Let me ask: about Bitcoin OTC WoT or Assbot, there is a public API where I can navigate in all database? Or just trough the irc commands? I want to make a "rank" similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/PageRanks-Example.svg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzIDzm )
nubbins`: prolly should have tested tftp before setting it first in the boot order on the pogo
nubbins`: i guess this is as good a time as any to call it a night
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24832 @ 0.00022652 = 5.6249 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: ohimjust here for the plonk data
Vexual: i heard cork, bordeaux 2 euro,
Vexual: might have to buy this pogo thing too
mircea_popescu: dude asciilifeform talking to danielpbarron is breaking my stack. same length names!
Vexual: hey popescue, two bottle of wine, one better than the other, which do you drink first?
mircea_popescu: the other.
Vexual: same
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072204 << it has just as good a one as normal pc : ethernet board
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 04:33:21; asciilifeform: not even a very bad one.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli yes you can query it with curl. it spits out json if you append json to any dir
mircea_popescu: see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16384 @ 0.00022509 = 3.6879 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00021915 = 2.1915 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI
Vexual: portlands changed
Vexual: i guess that what parole is
Vexual: ;;lasercats
gribble: Error: "lasercats" is not a valid command.
Vexual: my eyes!
Vexual: fuck if you cant bankruot without a name change tho
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGLx4zzMdRA
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZF7-hSGWA
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4571 @ 0.00022453 = 1.0263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00021695 = 10.4136 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/cpr6f6t?context=3
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAZ4GA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7462 @ 0.0002159 = 1.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17714 @ 0.0001694 = 3.0008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00017002 = 5.3726 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12109 @ 0.00016632 = 2.014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00016632 = 1.8295 BTC [-]
mats: ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
jurov: http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/
assbot: Eclipse Attacks on Bitcoin’s Peer-to-Peer Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1EH849Y )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6805 @ 0.00016581 = 1.1283 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: hi mats
davout: mats: this seems to be supporting mp's thing "bitcoin can only work over gossipd"
mats: hi friends
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/30d28r/bitcoin_floundation_moves_to_dilute_the_bitcoin/ jus' for fun
assbot: Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19TCzSE )
davout: jurov: buttcoin is best coin
davout: gotta make fun of the neckbeard pesos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20953 @ 0.00014884 = 3.1186 BTC [-]
davout: wow
davout: S.MPOE freefall
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like someone has locked S.MPOE's cockpit from the inside!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: still at 36 pe. it's getting into "value" range now with 3% divs.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, still running, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel-with-rootfs.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HM076o )
danielpbarron: height=298597 vs height=216895
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00014884 / 0.00022246 / 0.00025392 (937851 shares, 208.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00014884 / 0.00026871 / 0.00030622 (11824171 shares, 3,177.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00014884 / 0.00034565 / 0.0004493 (80690536 shares, 27,891.42 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC)
jurov: 30d still won't budge
jurov: davout no cockpit, we just uncovered the fraud with kako
davout: lolwass
jurov: supposedly everyone got their own deposit addy and nobody except me comes here to pester mircea for deposits/withdrawals
jurov: i'm very curious what aill come out of this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00014884 = 3.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00014884 = 2.6791 BTC [-]
jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D
mike_c: jurov: wouldn't you expect most people to not ask for deposits/withdrawals in channel?
mike_c: i mean, i don't think i've ever seen anyone ever except you ask in channel.
jurov: why is everyone so utterly secretive?
mike_c: it's not secretive, it's just, why shout it?
mike_c: also, the 'announcement' was recent and the slide started some time ago. my guess is it has more to do with the drop in revenue than anything else, but mp and I have argued that before :)
jurov: i know, being half serious.. but really, i remember from s.dice times half of the chan bragging(or mourning) about trades they did
jurov: i don't remember any such thing for a long time recentyl
mike_c: heh, yeah. but that said more about s.dice than anything else
mike_c: people didn't brag/mourn about options trades either, and those were brutal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00014884 = 4.3085 BTC [-]
jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it
mike_c: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00009669 / 0.00025 (100399 shares, 9.71 BTC)
jurov: ^ large part of this was me, buying for upcoming divs
mike_c: ^ 1% of bitbet has turned over in the last month. that seems "right" to me. s.mg is untradeable because it has so much coin.
davout: mike_c: howso?
mike_c: how do you trade in a company with no revenue and 10k bitcoin on the books?
davout: i'd naively say you'd base a valuation on the cash assets?
mike_c: heh, well, it's currently trading below book value
mike_c: but, point being, these stocks are generally held by serious investors and aren't going to have huge turnover.
davout: i see
mike_c: so without the options, where does mpex get revenue? it's an issue, and one that may be being reflected now in the stock price
mike_c: of course, the options exchange was hardly closed without reason (including some that remained unspoken), so it's tough to bring it back.
mike_c: davout: re s.mg. I think the problem there is that it is speculative whether they will be able to generate enough revenue to move the needle on the share price. so you might have your capital frozen in a stock that is basically valued as a pile of cash.
mike_c: which is why some people who would rather have the cash themselves are willing to dump it at 90% of book value.
mike_c: and I think it's too bad because it's an exciting company. if they're never going to spend the money, maybe just special dividend it back to the shareholders.
jurov: they will find a way to circulate them into ingame economy, that is not so big problem
mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for?
jurov: not a q for me
jurov: i should not have vented here, perhaps am just disillusioned how shabbily it works, deposits, dividends
mike_c: around the edges it is rough, but the important parts are rock solid.
jurov: i fucked too intimately with said parts to put myself behind such statement
mike_c: you think the trading engine isn't solid? or security?
jurov: security is good. but i won't repeat myself about the other stuff
mike_c: i've heard you talk about stuff like 'eventually consistent' and the statements missing some useful tracking features.
mike_c: but i've never heard about problems like 'my bid didn't match the best offer'
mike_c: except one time where something got fucked with a proxy i think :)
mike_c: but once in x years isn't bad
jurov: yes, if that's all you expect from an exchange...
mike_c: hm. yeah, it pretty much is :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00014698 = 2.3664 BTC [-]
mike_c: but i can see you wanting more give you run a brokerage
jurov: i can see even non-broker client wanting to avoid hairy state machine to accurately track the account for daytrading
mike_c: who wants fucking daytraders?
mike_c: let the brokers deal with them :)
mike_c: and i mean that from a business perspective, i'm sure some of them are perfectly pleasant people who just happen to think they are going to daytrade their way to stardom.
jurov: davout isn't even daytrading... and took him fkn long time to get the bot right
jurov: not going to argue with you
mike_c: i'm not trying to argue, was just trying to flesh out the issues. but i think we covered it.
jurov: !s every movement from:jurov
assbot: 0 results for 'every movement from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+movement++from%3Ajurov
jurov: !s every balance from:jurov
assbot: 1 results for 'every balance from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+balance++from%3Ajurov
jurov: only filthy daytraders would need such, i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00014554 = 4.3735 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: i'm trying to think of one, what balance change wouldn't have a reason?
jurov: deposits/withdrawals/pushes aren't shown in stat
mike_c: ah, right
jurov: and there were misc options.futures expirations
mike_c: yes, that was suboptimal :)
mike_c: but actually i thought we got that fixed
jurov: except for x.eur balances vanishing in the middle of month (at least it's at known time) and reappearing any time later
jurov: and dunno if you remember, there were daily interest payments in the beginning. without stat mention and at random times
mike_c: this is part of the reason though too. products come and go, with different features.
mike_c: x.eur hasn't been around that long. if it sticks around long enough, i'm sure it will work better.
jurov: what reason?
mike_c: part of the reason there are rough edges is that there are a lot of different products on mpex
mike_c: with differing needs
mike_c: path 1: engineer each product perfectly and ship 20 months late (sorry s.nsa). path 2: push it out, make sure it works as advertised, if it gets popular and sticks around, smooth out rough edges.
jurov: well, if mpex isn't now structurally able to issue information like "BalanceChange":[{"Date:": "blabla","MPSIC": "X.EUR", "Change": "-100", "Reason" :"Future expiration"}]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00014527 = 1.5617 BTC [-]
jurov: adding it later will only be harder
jurov: !up Vexual
jurov: anyway, having errands, brb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0001443 = 3.0303 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55492 @ 0.00014985 = 8.3155 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8398 @ 0.00015364 = 1.2903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8616 @ 0.00015364 = 1.3238 BTC [+]
nubbins`: bricked the pogo, guess i'll need serial cable after all ;/
fluffypony: how'd ya do that?
nubbins`: changed the boot order to check the NAND first, and then stuffed a bunch of garbage into it
nubbins`: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/580862283158523904
assbot: 안녕하세요 http://t.co/q3eLLSDinv
nubbins`: ^ pronounced like "bitte coin"
nubbins`: any deutsch in here? 8)
nubbins`: (also note the smaller characters above: two syllables, "suh"
nubbins`: and "ool"
nubbins`: or as westy likes to pronounce, "sole"
nubbins`: "With 1 Bitcoin and 650+ alternative coins each with their own symbol this new currency needs its symbol"
nubbins`: my sides
nubbins`: with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name.
mats: https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2015/03/flash_in_2015.html
assbot: Flash in 2015 « Threat Research | FireEye Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrJEUZ )
nubbins`: "That's odd: all 600+ new nodes came online with the user agent "/Satoshi:0.10.99/Gangnam Style:v4.01""
nubbins`: !up Vexual
Vexual: 10.99, what happened to 1.0?
Vexual: almmost elen\venty, cmon
mats: http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/25/investing/stocks-marketsdow-fall-growth-concern/index.html
assbot: Dow tumbles 292 points as economy shows cracks - Mar. 25, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrK6m0 )
Vexual: yemens blowing up
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS-WPTmaXvs saaab stories, but seriously, shit ron
Vexual: *shits orn
nubbins`: my other saab is a car
Vexual: lol,
Vexual: vine leaf porches
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23686 @ 0.00015425 = 3.6536 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020611 / 0.00025392 (1144012 shares, 235.80 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026565 / 0.00030622 (11796040 shares, 3,133.70 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034497 / 0.0004493 (80838287 shares, 27,887.00 BTC)
Vexual: seriously these yemenese will eat you
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC)
Vexual: and yo horse
Vexual: if its moist, its food
Vexual: you cant just bomb em'
Vexual: ;;seen dub
gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <dub> thats an interesting one for france given cambodia
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm << m3t4-nsa-l0l
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7eMz )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu << http://homment.com/3K3xdsYD7a << reads like nuttery at first, but all of the factual claims as far as i could verify are - factual... if you can't bring yourself to grind it, have someone do it
assbot: Russia gov report Snowden Greenwald are CIA frauds pt1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7jzM )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'NSA 'revelations' of liar-poseur Snowden, were chosen because (a) not really new (b) superficially fascinating, adding lustre to CIA media (c) mass-media exposure does not inhibit surveillance, and adds terror to those aware of it, adding to CIA-NSA success...'
asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'
Vexual: waambulance
asciilifeform: 'Helping identify and destroy genuine US / UK / Nato leakers, duping them into trusting fake 'brave reporters' for Snowden (CIA-backed Greenwald, Guardian, NYT), then these media help CIA to silence, destroy, extort, kill any real whistleblowers - leakers - dissidents.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00003998 = 2.3988 BTC [-] {18}
asciilifeform: 'Advance CIA side of old CIA-NSA territory dispute in US government, in favour of CIA more traditionally allied with US wealthy ruling families; achieving goal of limiting NSA powers, which had become felt as a general threat (blackmail) and even financial threat (insider trading) to US leading families.'
asciilifeform: 'Carmen Ortiz is reminded that two other female prosecutors, Thelma Colbert and Shannon Ross, were both found dead after opposing Bush family interests. Ortiz is asked if she would like to be the 3rd dead female prosecutor.'
asciilifeform: many other stimulating tidbits.
asciilifeform: 'The American cult of judicial corruption - central tool of America's 'Deep State' government mafia - is not well known, because experts on it - like myself - are 'erased' from internet searches, with US judges directly 'ordering' Google to censor evidence and journalism about their crimes. The world is instead deceived and fooled by the image of US courts in Hollywood movies and on Google search results - hiding the grim real
asciilifeform: ity. The central role of the US judge-lawyer mafia, is the reason over 1 million Americans have become lawyers in what is the developed world's most abusive, corrupt legal system. Though many American lawyers are now unemployed or low-income, they often became lawyers in the first place, because they hoped for at least a junior role in the US courtroom mafia, with a licence to steal the wealth of others.'
Vexual: pretty sure brazillians are de rigieur and we wont see another bush'
asciilifeform: 'The two richest men in America, my Harvard classmate Bill Gates whom I met as a boy, and Warren Buffett, were both quite threatened when they were acting too independently of America's ruling consensus. Legal action - by America's bribed, extorted judges and regulators - menaced them both. As each backed down and became more submissive to US policies, the threatened legal and regulatory actions against them evaporated.'
asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.'
Vexual: lol thats how i find content
asciilifeform: but the notification itself was removed.
asciilifeform: fella linked to a page full of 'removed' instead of search results, for his name
Vexual: thats unusual
asciilifeform: seems like somebody worked overtime to replace most of these with a set of 'benign' 'he's a nutter' results
asciilifeform: https://www.indymedia.nl/en/2011/07/77181.shtml << more or less the only other mention i was able to find of him.
assbot: Indymedia NL (The Netherlands) - EU Report, Google Inc. Anti-Competition Crimes & Deception ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs8rDx )
Vexual: good one,, funny
Vexual: google rports crimes now?
Vexual: or what?
Vexual: you see the latest hip hop moving to spotify only
asciilifeform: Vexual: i also did not see the latest gas vortex on jupiter.
Vexual: hmm, that sounds like something i might have said
Vexual: oh levels are high
Vexual: did i have aplan for some moon or other?
asciilifeform: http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%22Leszek%20Sachs%22 << not particularly more interesting
assbot: Яндекс ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnccF )
asciilifeform: almost enough to nail down the thesis that yandex lifts results straight from google
asciilifeform: did turn up one more, http://www.banned-in-america.net/david-e-rosenbaum-murdered.html
assbot: The murder of US journalist David Rosenbaum, as he investigated corrupt US judges - questions remain ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnD6W )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 11:03:18 up 11:03, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04
asciilifeform: can we get mr Sachs in here ?
asciilifeform: what would it take ?
nubbins`: chumpatronicist
nubbins`: lel
Vexual: can we get mcafee?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
Vexual: he dont write asm anymore
nubbins`: asciilifeform must i gunzip turdel then tftp 0x800000 filename.gz?
nubbins`: er wat.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes
nubbins`: consider the above q modified to make sense
nubbins`: ok
nubbins`: did so. obv smth was incorrect
asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html << as i wrote here
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs9yD4 )
nubbins`: nod, the ".ub" confused as the gunzip'd file had no ext
nubbins`: PROTIP to self: put tftp /after/ mmc in boot order next time
asciilifeform: 'The CIA-Snowden fraud was, to a degree, a semi-brilliant scam, even though it is now falling apart. On the surface, it seems anyone talking about these awful NSA activities 'must be genuine' - Few people considered what else Snowden was saying. When he moves out of an extremely narrow channel of CIA-scripted 'NSA revelations', Snowden's agenda is to be a slimy, sleazy salesman...'
asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ?
asciilifeform: it was full of outright garbage
nubbins`: i missed it, but his "how to use tor" video was painful
asciilifeform: and if 'the real snowden' ever stood up to refute the 'fake' - i never heard of such.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043648 << thread where mircea_popescu illuminates the war between cia and nsa☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 00:52:42; mircea_popescu: if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ?
asciilifeform: though 'war' is very much the wrong term, just as 'fight' is not a correct word for what happens between the corresponding two types of kid in the playground
nubbins`: struggle
asciilifeform: clobbering.
asciilifeform: it's only a 'struggle' if they're both still moving.
nubbins`: Hello. Thanks for your email. We were selling these consistently at $30-$35. The price seems to fluctuate on these overtime.I know that many people are modifying them for other things so I know there is a very strong market for them. We have about 3000 of these left at this point.I would be willing to sell a minimum of 1000 units but would be more interested in selling all 3000 that I have left. Can you tell me what you're wanting to do
nubbins`: with them? Are you just wanting to resell them or modify them or something else? Please feel free to make me an offer on a minimum of 1000 units or an offer for all 3000 units if that would interest you. I look forward to hearing from you soon!
hexual: skylarking?
nubbins`: asciilifeform mircea_popescu etc ^^
nubbins`: pogov4
asciilifeform: which type
nubbins`: purple, like yrs
asciilifeform: aha
hexual: price landed
nubbins`: current list price is 18usdea
asciilifeform: i wonder how many one could get at the list price
nubbins`: not sure what the guy's sweet spot is
asciilifeform: i was half-expecting that my 10 would exhaust the supply
asciilifeform: (it didn't, of course)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: where was this ?
asciilifeform: the manufacturer ?
nubbins`: amazon seller
nubbins`: !up Vexual
Vexual: yall should have someone sesible liek do da emails
nubbins` is sensibul biznis ownur
Vexual is on the good wine
danielpbarron: so like 18k to 50k worth?
Vexual: 2 euro
asciilifeform: 'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, despite his being the 'owner' of 'tens of thousands' of 'Snowden stolen espionage documents'. When of course if 'Snowden' was not a CIA operation, all American hell would be loose against Omidyar, Greenwald and the rest, targeting their assets and persons on US territory.'
asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020445 / 0.00025392 (1031337 shares, 210.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026506 / 0.00030622 (11517071 shares, 3,052.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034496 / 0.0004493 (80824654 shares, 27,881.74 BTC)
Vexual: tahiti is a long way in a canoe
mod6: fuckin 'a right
Vexual: the journey prefers stout gents
nubbins`: the stout prefers gent journeys
nubbins`: ok, reply sent. let's see where this goes.
Vexual: dont they tho
nubbins`: "But Wi-Fi hotspots can't deliver wireless connection speeds any faster than the incoming wired connection from your cable or other ISP (Internet service provider); top theoretical AC router speeds are only available in a direct computer-to-computer wireless connections, which you'll never do."
nubbins`: so much fail
nubbins`: you're right, i'd never want to transfer data within my network
asciilifeform: nubbins`: whatever it was, was probably referring to 'ad hoc mode'
Vexual: the bettong with the scroll on its ankle is the bottleneck here
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you use ad-hoc mode often ?
nubbins`: in fact, i don't, but i kinda think that's not what the guy meant to say
asciilifeform: what even was this
nubbins`: who cares what the router speed is if you're going ad-hoc?
nubbins`: just some random huffpo article about how yr router is lying to you
nubbins`: because the pipe coming into your house is slower
nubbins`: (o.O)
Vexual: not in japan its not
asciilifeform: not here, either
Vexual: they have optic fibre to the eyeball
Vexual: yeah but youd have it anyway ascii
asciilifeform: i have a few wifi devices. the radio is definitely the bottleneck.
Vexual: nubbins shoos bears off his wifi'
nubbins`: i think this was written for USians with slow pipes
nubbins`: fiber to the door here, i dare the wifi to keep up
thestringpuller: wifi is for people who don't like living in a house akin to Kowloon Walled City
Vexual: i wrote this next week
Vexual: yes, comin atchya on a 1.4
asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234882 @ 0.00015768 = 37.0362 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00015753 = 5.4978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00015753 = 3.5759 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/BCSUcA13
assbot: CIA fraud Julian Assange abusing Ecuador London embassy - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydCNsV )
asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile to real dissidents. For example, Assange grossly insults anyone who does not believe the absurd US gov story about 11 Sep 2001 - which no serious person believes. Assange insults the thousands of architects, engineers, US military and intelligence veterans, who continually describe how the 'official story' is a fraud. '
nubbins`: "I am a Harvard classmate of top US leaders" the wankery is strong with this one
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i don't give a damn if he claims to be a martian
asciilifeform: the story, to the extent it can be checked out, checks out.
nubbins`: how about if he claims to be a martian in every communique? 8)
asciilifeform: and fits the known facts more tightly than anything else i've encountered
asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest
asciilifeform: recall that the nsa devices catalogue was -not- a snowden leak
asciilifeform: but came from the other fella
asciilifeform: now (almost certainly) dead
asciilifeform: it shuffled in and was permitted to spread, to lend credibility to the rest of the pile.
nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's your 'incredulity immune system' healthily working
nubbins`: and me without a general checkup in years
nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards
nubbins`: which in itself is mildly curious
asciilifeform: and that details of -specific- compromises, clearly apparent from context in some of the docs, were scrubbed
nubbins`: i bet assange is such a fucking dirtbag
nubbins`: he probably eats potato chips for breakfast
asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons.
asciilifeform: no one has, afaik, seen it fit to refute any of it.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'll summarize for the impatient. according to sachs, snowden heap was lifted. but under cia (his original and actual employer) direction. and then carefully selected.
asciilifeform: mainly to create a usg-controlled 'muppet hero' who will lead actual leakers to their deaths
asciilifeform: but also to drum up a feeling of 'everyone is surveilled'
asciilifeform: sachs does -not- mention it, but the folks in #b-a know well, that it also created a vast and thriving market of faux 'security' paraphernalia.
nubbins`: i wonder how many btc people sent snowden
asciilifeform: ('redphone', 'blackphone', and 1001 other pieces of rubbish)
nubbins`: ah, blackphone, i recall
nubbins`: turns out it was in fact clearphone?
asciilifeform: long ago proven fact.
nubbins`: rite
asciilifeform: and countless other 'schneierisms.'
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right?
danielpbarron: otc sucks anyway
mod6: well, it didn't used to suck.
mod6: speaking of... i kinda miss trading otc
danielpbarron: do miners even sell in there? or is it all people acting as coinbase pass-throughs?
mod6: I dunno anymore. It used to be different.
mod6: is there a way to visually see the ratings for a given nick with assbot?
mircea_popescu: o wow check that out, 15s!
mircea_popescu: iamsopoor.jpg
mod6: !gettrust mod6 assbot
assbot: Trust relationship from user mod6 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/assbot | http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
mike_c: mod6: soon. it'll be public after conference.
mod6: krad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235486 @ 0.00015906 = 37.4564 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125550 @ 0.00016085 = 20.1947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199550 @ 0.00016085 = 32.0976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873079 @ 0.00016333 = 142.6 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 306674 @ 0.00017534 = 53.7722 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00019321 = 1.9514 BTC [+]
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00017661 / 0.00025392 (3033844 shares, 535.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024898 / 0.00030622 (13265892 shares, 3,303.03 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034046 / 0.0004493 (82819096 shares, 28,197.34 BTC)
mod6: !gettrust assbot nubbins`
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubbins%60 | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubbins%60
mod6: Hey nubbins`: if you're not signed up to the btc-dev list, now is not a horrible time. You wouldn't mind sending your OSX steps there (in a clearsigned message) would you?
nubbins`: oh, sure. here's the thing tho
mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << this thing
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2nQl9 )
mod6: ok
nubbins`: i'mma have to set up a new pgp key
mod6: ah, ok. best day to do that is today.
nubbins`: o?
mod6: well, so the saying goes :]
mod6: anyway, thanks in advance.
nubbins`: heh, np.
mod6: It'd be nice to have it in there anyway, signed by yourself. And then I can mention it in this months address as well.
nubbins`: anyone got a guide for assbot wot handy?
mod6: !help
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
nubbins`: ty
nubbins`: i'm gonna need to rate my key but i guess i hafta register it with assbot first
nubbins`: wait, i can just !changekey, right?
mod6: i don't think you can rate yourself.
nubbins`: mod6 i use separate pgp keys for various things
mod6: yeah, changekey should do it. but don't listen to me. i r dumb. ask kako to make sure.
nubbins`: the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with
mod6: ah, no worries, this can wait until later, days or weeks if needed.
nubbins`: nah, i'll get it done
mod6: i was just hoping for before 31st of march. :]
nubsy searches for gpg cheat sheet
nubbins`: !rate nubsy 10 top kek
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/39eaf513bb3f09f9
nubbins`: o right
asciilifeform: <nubbins`> the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with << care to explain why ?
asciilifeform: (not that there is anything necessarily wrong with this)
nubbins`: note email address attached to 3C84 4002
nubbins`: (pinkeyeprints@gmail.com)
asciilifeform: aha
nubbins`: while ostensibly pink eye has business using a gpg key around these parts, it's hard for me to justify "signing foundation code releases" as a relevant business activity
nubbins`: now, where was i
nubbins`: mod6 i can just dump clearsigned text into the body, yes?
mod6: Yes, Sir.
nubbins`: ok, sent
nubbins`: like i said earlier, these steps should be relatively impervious to future code changes
mod6: I don't see it in there, but the mailatronic has been known to snarf messages at will.
nubbins`: i *just* registered the key with assbot
mod6: Maybe we can get jurov to take a peek. If not, post your clearsigned message to pastebin and maybe I can clearsign your clearsigned message and send it myself.
nubbins`: maybe it hasn't refreshed yet
mod6: aight, we'll give it a day.
nubbins`: !gettrust assbot nubsy
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubsy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubsy | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubsy
mod6: no problem. thanks for putting the work in there and getting that going!
nubbins`: hey, np
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DGCB4D13
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2r5ce )
nubbins`: ^ set to expire in 1 week
nubbins`: just in case
mod6: ok sweet.
mod6: ;;later tell jurov did you see any weirdness from Mailman regarding nubbins`'s OSX clearsigned message on 2015.03.26?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: haha fuck.
nubbins`: i sent it from the wrong account
nubbins`: sec
mod6: haha
mod6: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39882 @ 0.00019551 = 7.7973 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ok, sent
nubbins`: if *that* doesn't show up, either we gotta wait for key list to refresh or there's some other strange
nubbins` would not be surprised if ML doesn't poll assbot wot very frequently
jurov: haven't you just created the key?
jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes*
nubbins`: the key itself is old, i just reg'd it with assbot 15 mins ago
nubbins`: oh you! :D
nubbins`: nickname "nubsy"
nubbins`: 7C77 9724
nubbins`: FWIW it's not the sort of thing that needs to poll just yet
mod6: yeah, agree. it doesn't need that functionallity yet.
mod6: thanks jurov
nubbins`: yeah tyvm, let me know when updated and i'll resend
nubbins`: height=206724
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg10894583#msg10894583
assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2u2JM )
nubbins` cries
mod6: jeeze
nubbins`: "hai guise where my maniez? i email"
nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: Dr Les (went to school w/ important people) Sachs
asciilifeform: again he can be a martian if he wants
nubbins`: but if martian is a synonym for obvious attention-seeker...
nubbins`: (what's up with the CV as a footnote?)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there are far more tedious and less apparently factual 'seekers' who get considerably more attention
asciilifeform: and sachs gives testable hypotheses
nubbins`: granted
asciilifeform: which is why i don't give a damn what he is
asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him
asciilifeform: this is testable right from where you're sitting.
nubbins`: "Former USA resident who risked being tortured to death, attempting defence of human and Constitutional rights inside the United States, facing down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone because US lawyers cower in fear before bribed US judges;"
nubbins`: Major Accomplishments:
nubbins`: Faced down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone
nubbins`: Formerly lived in a glass-bottomed boat with oars made of flame
asciilifeform: i get it, pattern-matches 'nuttery'
nubbins`: anyway, i'm just poking fun of the chrome here
nubbins`: not addressing the content of the thing 8)
nubbins`: which, on the face, is no more or less plausible than the understanding anyone else is operating under
asciilifeform: the bells and gongs sticking out of that thing make it considerably less palatable, yes, which i suspect is the only reason sachs is still alive
asciilifeform: note that there is no public communique from harvart 'this fella never went here' (whether factual or not)
asciilifeform: *harvard
nubbins`: ugh
nubbins`: guy's websites are a fuckin pain to read
nubbins`: maybe there's truth in here?
nubbins`: i couldn't be fucked to read another page of it
asciilifeform: i pasted in some of the highlights.
asciilifeform: (earlier today)
asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language.
nubbins`: nor a master of not encasing the entire page in <strong>
asciilifeform: but despite the superficial flavour, i don't get the usual 'schizo' vibe from it.
nubbins`: how the fuck is someone supposed to parse this
nubbins`: i dunno man, the one page about cromwell i read was nutted out
asciilifeform: wai wat
nubbins`: cornwell, w/e
asciilifeform: this is where?
nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/new-us-federal-court-lawsuit.html
assbot: New US Federal Court lawsuit involving Patricia Cornwell -Cornwell renews threats to murder Dr Les Sachs ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB5SY )
nubbins`: here's a snippet
nubbins`: Cornwell quickly denounces the "dirty Jews", the "filthy Jews". Indeed, attacking Jews is a real passion for the neo-Nazi Cornwell, while at the same time engaging in the 'Pleasures of Adolf Eichmann', Cornwell's hiring of dishonest Jews to do dirty jobs for her, a 'pet Jew' whom Cornwell can dominate.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sachs.txt << minus the css. just for you.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB6Gy )
asciilifeform: ^ mirror
nubbins`: ty
asciilifeform: at any rate, herr sachs has not posited any martian armies taking over earth. instead, he connected a number of dots which are plain as daylight
asciilifeform: and are there for anyone who wants to see them.
nubbins`: \o/
asciilifeform: snowden (or whatever bourbaki is responsible for writing his public-facing garbage) insulted the intelligence of the entire planet a thousand times
asciilifeform: and somehow it all washed.
asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions
asciilifeform: and the multicoloured 'phones'
asciilifeform: etc.
nubbins`: Cornwell's lawyers know this, that attacking and murdering Jews is Cornwell's ultimate fetish and fantasy, to herself become a lesbian Adolf Hitler. Cornwell's longtime lawyers Shumadine and Rudell, mentioned above, took advantage of this back in 2000, when they threatened someone of Jewish heritage with a Jew-baiting extortion letter.
nubbins`: after clicking 5 links through various pages of gibberish, i find the "jew-baiting" extortion letter
asciilifeform: link?
nubbins`: which turns out to be, essentially, http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-1.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBLIe )
nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBJjn )
nubbins`: reminds me of the woman who claimed JK Rowling stole her book "Larry Botter" or w/e
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: for all i know, this guy is preaching the true word
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mind you, i cannot vouch for his sanity
nubbins`: obv barely hanging on.
asciilifeform: but i am not his shrink and this is not my job.
asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position.
asciilifeform: whatever that may be
nubbins`: at the risk of being blithe, he's a nutter who harasses people he thinks are out to get him
nubbins`: but what do i know.
mike_c: how much are they paying you nubbins`?
asciilifeform: how would you distinguish this animal from the other, very different, species with similar markings ?
nubbins`: mike_c my purpose of being here has been discussed in the past
nubbins`: my salary has not
punkman: https://github.com/chipsec/chipsec
assbot: chipsec/chipsec · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBULw )
nubbins`: asciilifeform problem is, if the "similar markings" are verbal diarrhoea, i just wouldn't be able to.
nubbins`: everyone with this type of crazy has the same website
asciilifeform: punkman: requires patching winblows to put kernel in 'dev mode' and removing signature checks. which is readily visible to any decend crapware
nubbins`: endless, endless pages
nubbins`: each with endless, endless paragraphs of text
asciilifeform: punkman: hence no stealth in the analysis
nubbins`: full of hyperbole and exaggeration
nubbins`: the only difference between this guy and a "SHTF" type prepper is the style of the gibberish
asciilifeform: nubbins`: my hypothesis is that this kind of thing is -caused by- rather than -a cause of- the futility of 'shouting in the wilderness'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the pertinent difference is the testability of the claims and how perfectly they square, imho, with the publicly-available facts.
asciilifeform: none of the other shit ultimately matters.
nubbins`: mine is that it's a piece of breat with nut butter on both sides
nubbins`: but again. i'm not evaluating his claims (how can i? 100% not reading any more), just the way in which he presents himself and his theories
nubbins`: these rambling essays to me are like rounded corners to mp
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the actual facts about usg are sufficiently monstrous that they will trigger -any- reasonable person's immune system the way they triggered yours, if encountered raw in one gigantic torrent
punkman: asciilifeform: doesn't have to run in windows though
asciilifeform: nubbins`: picture how a 'civilian' would view #b-a log if he were to read 'the choice bits'
nubbins`: sure. overwhelming.
asciilifeform: punkman: the uefi variant runs from... within bios?
asciilifeform: punkman: which is one of the objects under test
asciilifeform: how's that supposed to work
nubbins`: woo, got a contact for bulk orders from that other place
nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock"
asciilifeform: punkman: at any rate, check out the vendor - intel.
nubbins`: OH ALSO
nubbins`: For two days only, save 40% on Pogoplug Unlimited Cloud—just $29 for the first year (reg. $49.95).
nubbins`: ;p
asciilifeform: intel is interested in 'platform security' in much the same way that monsanto is interested in your healthy diet.
punkman: asciilifeform: aha, smells like PR
asciilifeform: from what i can tell, the thing reads fw images, tests if smm register is properly locked, etc.
asciilifeform: perfectly pedestrian things.
asciilifeform: but don't be surprised if it makes headlines in the mouthpiece press as a mega-s333k00r1ty-gotterdammerung
nubbins` lives on monsanto-free island (for now)
nubbins`: phun phact, newfoundland was england's first overseas colony
nubbins`: woo
nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0
asciilifeform: nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock" << may be pessimistic, but i strongly suspect that the $20 stock will evaporate very quickly once the manufacturer realizes what these are being used for.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not unlike the 'playstation' supercomputing clusters and sony's response
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: first guy is already "!!!!"ing me
nubbins`: i suspect he did a google
mod6: <+nubbins`> may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 << anyone i'd know?
BingoBoingo: If the bad has a big name it can't be very punk
mod6: what about Fugazi. Or the Melvins? Everyone knows them, they're still punk(tm)
BingoBoingo: Were punk, they were punk, emphasis on the past tense
mod6: Do you consider Strung Out to be a punk band?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167100 @ 0.00026674 = 44.5723 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: I heard they're gonna be playing up here. gotta try to catch 'em.
nubbins`: mod6 you'd definitely know em, the name starts with P and it's not pennywise
nubbins`: but can't say much else til the contract is signed :D
nubbins`: BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk
nubbins`: but the trappings of punk
nubbins`: 8)
nubbins`: mod6 melvins was a good guess tho, they get silkscreened posters done locally for all their slows
nubbins`: *shows
mod6: ah, cool
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk << Of course by the time I've heard of them they've lapsed.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: semi related: http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-1122/
assbot: Melvins - Live at Amoeba Music ... ( http://bit.ly/19nRcMR )
nubbins`: 10/10 have watched maybe 15 times
mod6: oh startswith P. i know who it is. that's awesome!
nubbins`: BingoBoingo you want real punk, check local flyers for bands called "cider squad" and shit like that
nubbins`: mod6 :D
nubbins`: & watch some crust kid barf on a drum kit
gribble: Error: "watch" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: yeah yeah
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Cider Squad can't be punk anymore. You have to understand that my herueistic for this is that if I've heard of something it can no longer be punk, underground, or whatever
nubbins`: natch
nubbins`: i recall being at one of these shows once
nubbins`: guy comes up "hey, wanna go in on a case of beer?"
nubbins`: me: "...dude, we're at a bar"
nubbins`: "...oh yeah" then guy wanders in and takes stage w/ band
nubbins`: heh
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, nubbins`, mircea_popescu, et al:
asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd
asciilifeform: saves 1MB
asciilifeform: activated, naturally, (if present in the battlefield version at all) by holding down button on boot
asciilifeform: to be used only by devs or by folks who want to turn a knob (e.g., set a static ip instead of dhcp)
asciilifeform: i wouldn't even bother with it at all if it weren't for folks here who don't feel like soldering the serial plug
nubbins`: a ha ha, you've got a point.
asciilifeform: no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup
asciilifeform: (for shell, i mean)
nubbins`: i'm gonna be /making/ a serial cable anyway
nubbins`: but if you don't mind the indulgence, short term...
asciilifeform: something like this will be necessary if there is to be any possibility of changing, say, the ip bringup
asciilifeform: (i don't like dhcp myself, for example)
asciilifeform: http://lwn.net/Articles/474243 << other side of debate
assbot: A hole in telnetd [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/19nSqHP )
mod6: ok, maybe i don't understand. but im gonna ask anyway. but what you're saying is that the pogo embedded os wont have a rng?
asciilifeform: mod6: it has -no- source of entropy other than i/o
asciilifeform: not even a battery-backed clock
mod6: so what is bitcoind supposed to do?
asciilifeform: bitcoind does not need entropy for anything
asciilifeform: unless abused
asciilifeform: in ways which we do not intend to abuse it
asciilifeform: (i.e. use as a wallet)
mod6: ok. so we won't sign transactions then
asciilifeform: mod6: not on a pogo!
asciilifeform: POGO IS NOT A WALLET
mod6: ah, ok. derp.
asciilifeform: for anyone who did not know
mod6: gotcha.
mod6: see, just thought i'd ask.
mod6: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241000 @ 0.00026322 = 63.436 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (do not read this to take that a battery-backed clock is any kind of source of entropy, also.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17263 @ 0.00026256 = 4.5326 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i had to double check the pcb last night when your rtc0 init failed
asciilifeform: i did warn.
asciilifeform: the rtc is actually there, and worked under arch iirc
asciilifeform: but it has no battery power
nubbins`: wa.. oh, yes
nubbins`: put another way, do not solder a battery holder into your pogo and use it as a wallet, either 8)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2015#989978 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: holy hell a sane engineer.
nubbins`: hm, good info, pin
asciilifeform: pin?
nubbins`: try !s <that word> from:nubbins` some time
Adlai: !s pin from:nubbins`
assbot: 12 results for 'pin from:nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pin+from%3Anubbins%60
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#393640 nubbins` obv meant this☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 16:54:13; nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'
nubbins`: ha
nubbins`: natch!
nubbins`: alf just triggered one of my snowcrash zone-outs
Adlai watches a snail crawl across the edge of a razor
asciilifeform: 'Note that telnetd won't auto-start on boot because of securilty concerns
asciilifeform: - until user manually starts telnetd while connected via serial console
asciilifeform: there's no chance for unexpected root access to the target (this is
asciilifeform: especially true if root has no password set - which is by defult).'
asciilifeform: ^ shitgnomery disguised as 'seeek000rity'
asciilifeform: 'we'll tie your hands for your own good'
jurov: don't see a problem there. once telnet starts, root access is no longer unexpected.
asciilifeform: jurov: how do you propose to log in to the box ?
BingoBoingo: "Must be a heavy dude," Griffin said, "to have all these police come out." >> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-man-threatened-to-kill-police-rigged-home-with/article_cf037dda-dd90-5959-b84f-80f59f7403e3.html
assbot: St. Louis man threatened to kill police, rigged home with booby traps, court documents say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/19nUD62 )
asciilifeform: all the above means is that buildroot deliberately fucked up the build system to make it extremely inconvenient to add it to the default init
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: robot with shotgun
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik a first in official media photo ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110600 @ 0.00025498 = 28.2008 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It just might be the first
asciilifeform: qntra ?
asciilifeform: and cache plz
asciilifeform: esp. of the photo.
asciilifeform: linked video has the thing roll about
asciilifeform: good shots of bot with different smalls arms mounted
asciilifeform: nothing in the text about this, naturally
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what usg's response to 'solzhenitsyn's axe' is, aha.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7NOO4lYGc
assbot: ICOR EOD/SWAT Robot - Firing Shotgun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/19nVbsH )
asciilifeform: looks similar, but not quite same, yes
asciilifeform: 'The informant said he had known Hagler for more than 30 years. Hagler had a seething hatred for his ex-wife and was becoming more agitated after events in Ferguson and because he believed he would lose his homes in St. Louis for not paying taxes, according to court documents. A second informant said the tone of his views against government....'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00025968 = 24.319 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: expect this kind of policing to become sop
asciilifeform: that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots
asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?
BingoBoingo: Imma watch the video and try to screencap the variety of arms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178850 @ 0.00024803 = 44.3602 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
BingoBoingo: !up jordandotdev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115157 @ 0.00024502 = 28.2158 BTC [-]
jurov: http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/23/fidor-bank-and-bitcoin-de-launch-bitcoin-express-trading-system/
assbot: FIDOR Bank and Bitcoin.de launch Bitcoin Express trading system | BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkclVF )
jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00025621 = 13.8738 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/
assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCSPSI )
BingoBoingo: ^ Picture in article is larger than when displayed with the text
asciilifeform: 084ace0c578a4920a4cad59e426165b180fd8b1e170e9da406772bf1546208abc63d8b101fa63b9152d2003a816b4309203bbd391e434302830a3de3eab2dddc turdel_with_telnet.gz
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/14928d833dfd20e18ce340276c8dfb1c/tumblr_nl7g0yecQf1tulo74o1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCUnMh )
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel_with_telnet.gz
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not a bad deal, but meh, spend 35k on this thing ?
asciilifeform: this turdel will 1) boot and dhcp 2) start a suicidal telnet that goes straight into a root shell
asciilifeform: still no sata support - but this is enough to begin testing
asciilifeform: of bitcoind, for example.
mircea_popescu: "Police report at EU national police agencies, extensively discussing CIA-Wikipedia-Google media control crimes, of which the CIA-Snowden fraud is part."
mircea_popescu: can you retro-translate this via your russian dictionary to actual english ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was just about to!
asciilifeform: he meant 'report to police'
asciilifeform: written by himself
mircea_popescu: himself = snowden ?
asciilifeform: nono
asciilifeform: sachs
mircea_popescu: so some guy wrote some things on a piece of paper about what he heard on the news and submitted this to his local police station ?
asciilifeform: 'police report at' == 'report written to police'
asciilifeform: and word 'police' here meant very loosely
asciilifeform: anyway, document in question is a piece of nuttery containing, if you put it through a juice extractor, some very sensible hypotheses
asciilifeform: i'd squeeze them out myself, but no time at present
asciilifeform: did paste in some of the highlights.
mircea_popescu: aha ima look in logs then
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, punkman, nubbins`, anyone else with a non-serialport pogov4 - new kernel that you can try.
asciilifeform: (see earlier)
asciilifeform: it is able to use usb storage and sd
asciilifeform: not yet sata, though i am still unable to figure out why (CONFIG_SATA_MV is set)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu there's also then the issue of where to stash them etc
nubbins`: anyway, now ya know how much that many of em costs 8)
mircea_popescu: afaik danielpbarron resolved that, but srsly, 3k seems at this point excessive. bitcoin hasn't had that many nodes since i dunno, 2012.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if parachuting, must take into account yield
asciilifeform: that is, how many will actually reach good home
asciilifeform: once deployed
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: so far i think we're well supplied for that.
mircea_popescu: but it does put your 101 or 202 to actually 3001+
asciilifeform: minus however many usg buys now that we said this.
asciilifeform: to sink into the sea
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: an usg that *cares*. wouldn't that be a sight.
asciilifeform: brb meatspace excursion
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol has that derp actually sold any o'reilly tomes ? or we not talking about how product fails at the one fucking job product had ?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072329 << imo the assumptions are very weak.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 10:48:35; jurov: http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the "node identified by ip" thing we discussed yesterday.
fluffypony: Andreas Spake and Thus it Was
mircea_popescu: to complement what i said then, not only i know of no infrastructure nodes that are reliably identifiable by ip, but i know of no infrastructure nodes that have no vpn access to other nodes.
mircea_popescu: the idea you are going to "monopolize" connections to a node is laughable, as they are all implemented to have hardwired connections you don't get to touch, in a pedestrian, difficult and unwieldy reimplementation of a wot system.
mircea_popescu: moreover, "n confirmation doublespends" still needs you to produce mined blocks of a proper difficulty, which is just as hard as on the main net.
mircea_popescu: in short - this is why academic wankery is called academic wankery. it has all the characteristics of useful work save a few.
mircea_popescu: davout yeah seems it's going for the other moon.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-floundation-moves-to-dilute-the-bitcoin-brand/ << scam foundation couldn't do more to ruin its own claim to relevancy in the space if it deliberately tried.
assbot: Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCX00L )
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072359 << wait wut!
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 12:43:53; jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072370 << yeah, mats was bitching about it like twenty lines up o.O
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 12:50:04; jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGdvgufWEU
assbot: Duck Stampede - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCXpA9 )
mircea_popescu: dude, ducks rule for stampedes.
mircea_popescu: at least large herbivores lookl like they were basically built for it
mircea_popescu: but... DUCKS ?!
mircea_popescu: omfg millions od fucks!
mircea_popescu: uh...
mircea_popescu: check out the berth thery give cars too.
mircea_popescu: duck computing.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072387 << people pay to play in a casino too,
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 13:02:41; mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for?
mircea_popescu: what's casino need bankrolls ?!
nubbins`: store sells goods, why you need to start the day with a full register?
nubbins`: 8)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072450 << this is uniquely idiotic, btw.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 14:32:24; nubbins`: with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name.
mircea_popescu: first, trying to attack bitcoin with the nonsensical "oh, nothing notable except blockchain technologee"
mircea_popescu: then, once that worked as well as you'd expect, moving on to "oh, nothing notable, many things just like it" ?
mircea_popescu: who comes up with these strats i wonder.
mircea_popescu: alf's lizard hitler seems pretty similar to the original hitler cca 1944.
mircea_popescu: "das war ein befehl!"
mircea_popescu: "Ihr Saurianitet, nichts bedeutet..."
mircea_popescu: "BEFEHL!!1!1"
mircea_popescu: must be crowdsourced.
jurov: sorry, i just had some slanderous moments
jurov: feeling better now. and later today i got an email someone wants to haul considerable amount of stuff from havelol to coinbr.
mircea_popescu: had enough lols ?
mircea_popescu: ayway, i don't mind. questioning is the core of progress!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124541 @ 0.00024503 = 30.5163 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072482 << this bit is afaik uncontroversial.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 14:56:44; asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'
mircea_popescu: heck, i said it in the logs too.
mircea_popescu: the only thing is, i do not believe the degradation of google's model from algorithmic to "algorithmic" to "whatever, we'll just do it by hand" is in any sense cia's work.
mircea_popescu: it's just simple thermodynamics.
mircea_popescu: note the exact same fate of the only similar thing to date : imperial chinese examination.
mircea_popescu: also, originally, an attempt to resolve the "find sites" problem by iteration over the graph.
mircea_popescu: a while later (about the same while later) it was exactly the same thing : "wikipedia at top of all search results because wikipedia at top of all search results".
mircea_popescu: that guardian is an intel asset, and greenwald in particular just gavin in a different color scheme is again uncontroversial.
mircea_popescu: leakers that actually trust the entire press-to-public model are idiots in the first place.
asciilifeform: anybody try 'turdel_with_telnet' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00025333 = 13.4012 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: uncontroversial << in #b-a. where else ?
mircea_popescu: that usg courts are a sad joke, again uncontroversial.
mircea_popescu: everywhere i go.
mircea_popescu: "where three thinking people gather" or w/e the soviet expression was
asciilifeform: i would like to visit such a place
asciilifeform: other than #b-a, i mean
mircea_popescu: date more sluts ?
mircea_popescu: the clever sort, i mean.
asciilifeform: 100% solid believers in the fishwrap XOR reddit everywhere i've physically set foot in usa.
mircea_popescu: what is the intersection of this everywhere and prefab furniture ?
asciilifeform: prefab ?
mircea_popescu: yes. as in not made of wood.
asciilifeform: ah meant pressboard
mircea_popescu: right
asciilifeform: solid pressboard.
mircea_popescu: well then if it's the whole set maybe not a good set.
asciilifeform: where in usa, outside of antique shop, do you find anything else.
mircea_popescu: in the houses of thinking people.
asciilifeform: in the houses of elderly.
asciilifeform: (of thinking and other kinds)
mircea_popescu: thinking people are rarely under 30.
asciilifeform: try 80
mircea_popescu: not my fault puritans tend to spawn late bloomers.
asciilifeform owns some furniture of actual wood, university surplus
asciilifeform and of steel
mircea_popescu will underscore there's nothing wrong with cheap ikea stuff. what was at stake above was the expectation that a sample with weird homologies may be representative for "the world"
asciilifeform makes no claim of 'the world' except as 'world he is able to access'
mircea_popescu: ie, if "all the women you've talked to" spit, and also are not wearing skirts, maybe sample is no good.
mircea_popescu: rather than "women spit"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but take a piece like http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/
assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeYlJA )
asciilifeform: aha ... ?
mircea_popescu: whilke it's arguable if it makes the point more or less persuasively than that thing, nevertheless, it does make it, and who exactly argued with it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usg appears to have a very strict 'do not engage mircea_popescu on open terrain' rule
mircea_popescu: chomsky actually said that the joe stack grievances are legitimate, and will take over if not tackled.
mircea_popescu: just... none of this is controversial.
asciilifeform: makes specific claims re: who/why of snowden, for instance
mircea_popescu: i mean, sure, it's not watercooler conversation, among 10-20 an hour derps.
mircea_popescu: why would it be ?
asciilifeform: these are 'noncontroversial' ?
mircea_popescu: i thought those were the nutteries we were digging aside.
asciilifeform: unrelated: if we can get bitcoind under 27M, whole orchestra fits into the 32M eeprom found in the 'tripmate'
asciilifeform: and i can do a 'tripmate' port
asciilifeform: !s tripmate
assbot: 0 results for 'tripmate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tripmate
mircea_popescu: that'd be interesting.
asciilifeform: !s hootoo
assbot: 0 results for 'hootoo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hootoo
mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ?
asciilifeform: --- and after we kill the orphans thing
mircea_popescu: right
asciilifeform: tripmate comes with 32M ram
asciilifeform: http://www.hootoo.com/hootoo-tripmate-nano-ht-tm02-wireless-portable-router.html
assbot: Hootoo HT-TM02 Tripmate Nano ... ( http://bit.ly/1OByGRW )
asciilifeform: i have one here
asciilifeform: with serial port soldered in
asciilifeform: costs approx. same as pogo, for much poorer specs
asciilifeform: but actively produced
asciilifeform: and there are at least 3 chinese clones, roughly similar.
asciilifeform: 100M/s ethernet, usb2 for storage, powered by yet another usb jack
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's a step in the right direction
asciilifeform: wireless soldered in though
asciilifeform: and can't be killed
asciilifeform: (part of cpu)
mircea_popescu: not sure this is a drawback.
asciilifeform: it was the single cheapest such box that i was able to locate
mircea_popescu: write your own wireless driver.
asciilifeform: if we must have the radio, let's ad-hoc to neighbors
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has the right idea.
mircea_popescu: you were looking for horrible jobs... this is one.
asciilifeform: actually this is pretty easy
mircea_popescu: oh shutup
asciilifeform first paying reverse-engineering job was of a wifi chipset
mircea_popescu: i've not yet seen a good wifi driver. ever.
asciilifeform: 'good' means what ?
nubbins`: i was looking at these hooto things the other day
asciilifeform: doesn't go down ? or 'can be proven not to fandango over arbitrary ram with magic packet incoming'
nubbins`: asciilifeform will try turdel tonite/tmrw, meatspace commitments
asciilifeform: nubbins`: gotcha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform little of this, little of that...
asciilifeform: danielpbarron perhaps can try
nubbins`: you said it'll run from sd, ya?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it ought to run from anywhere
nubbins`: nod
asciilifeform: nubbins`: because has baked in rootfs
nubbins` has one unbricked pogo left
asciilifeform: this is why i built it that way
asciilifeform: (this is -not- what we want in the field ver.)
asciilifeform: it wastes ram
nubbins`: one available, anyway
nubbins`: field ver, rootfs on ext storage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00025386 = 48.5634 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: whatever that may be
asciilifeform: to try it, spin it up, then see what ip the box got, then telnet there
asciilifeform: drops straight into root shell...
trinque: https://makeupmag.com/wp-content/uploads/images/Rainn-open-head-2_400px.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeZLUr )
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072493 << again, same deal. yes buffett came into the fold. this is uncontroversial, and i've said it too.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:04:08; asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.
mircea_popescu: but the jumps the guy makes... ?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072495 << ftr, i get these on my name as well, tho i sure as hell never sent anyone that sort of bs legal request.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:08:26; asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.'
mircea_popescu: this is a purely eu piece of nonsense, however.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136700 @ 0.00024502 = 33.4942 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072535 << no. i, for instance, was the one that forced the publication of the cables, which they were going to withhold, by publishing the hot archive of romanian-related ones.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:32:26; asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/primul/ << that's the discussion at the time, for the curious.
assbot: Primul! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBAAC6 )
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys...
ben_vulpes: KISS, as they say.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00025621 = 28.9261 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news, chirilic tats! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e539d05ca2b774489e14de7c21501a2/tumblr_nlbeffKDNj1qejludo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBezB )
mircea_popescu: (protip : "onlyallfours" is a very bad idea, especially on hard floors. bursitis is at thing, if you give a horse shoes to protect hooves from hard pavement, might as well give the slavegirls kneepads.)
trinque goes for the tatted up look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95450 @ 0.00025621 = 24.4552 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Can you tell me what you're wanting to do with them? " ?<< lol nubbins` got teh usms curious nao
mircea_popescu: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?! FU NOT SELLING THEM NAO"
BingoBoingo: Ycombinator criticism cranks up http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/26/tone_it_down.php
assbot: Tone It Down. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf3XDV )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha. hence telnet without any authentication at all.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol anyone told him he's poor yet ?
BingoBoingo: He's well aware of it he seems
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072569 << the intrinsic problem with "look at all these people killed by tb, clearly tb can not be cured, if those people really had tb they wouldn't be walking around" is that well... tb is in fact a curable disease.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:54:27; asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cables << what do those have to do with snowden ?
mircea_popescu: to imagine the usg, or for that matter any bureaucracy like a PERSON rather than like a disease is imo to be very, very wrong
mircea_popescu: and in a fundamental way.
asciilifeform: i mean, sachs thinks they're part of the same chumpatron, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i understand the theory we're discussing, they'd be all the same thing ?
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?!... << they easily could. not with the 20MB blocks, no, but with the 20MB (and whatever the hell else satanic strange) -enabled- and waiting to get flooded