mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't know anyone is actually using their protocols for serious work anymore than anyone'd be using the foundation crapolade for any serious work.
assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: It was a driving, vigorous, restless population in those days. It was a curious population. It was the only population of the kind that the world has ever seen gathered together, and it is not likely that the world will ever see its like again. For observe, it was an assemblage of two hundred thousand young men—not simpering, dainty, kid-gloved weaklings, but stalwart, muscular, dauntless young braves, brimful of pus
mircea_popescu: h and energy, and royally endowed with every attribute that goes to make up a peerless and magnificent manhood—the very pick and choice of the world's glorious ones. No women, no children, no gray and stooping veterans,—none but erect, bright-eyed, quick-moving, strong-handed young giants—the strangest population, the finest population, the most gallant host that ever trooped down the startled solitudes of an unp
mircea_popescu: eopled land. And where are they now? Scattered to the ends of the earth—or prematurely aged and decrepit—or shot or stabbed in street affrays—or dead of disappointed hopes and broken hearts—all gone, or nearly all—victims devoted upon the altar of the golden calf—the noblest holocaust that ever wafted its sacrificial incense heavenward. It is pitiful to think upon.
mircea_popescu: It was a splendid population—for all the slow, sleepy, sluggish-brained sloths staid at home—you never find that sort of people among pioneers—you cannot build pioneers out of that sort of material. It was that population that gave to California a name for getting up astounding enterprises and rushing them through with a magnificent dash and daring and a recklessness of cost or consequences, which she bears unto
mircea_popescu: this day—and when she projects a new surprise, the grave world smiles as usual, and says "Well, that is California all over."
mircea_popescu: check it out! i found what vc's are trying to live off today! a ~150 year old corpse!
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cazalla: Apocalyptic, reads OK to me
mircea_popescu: PeterL ppl's be bitching bout scoopbot all day. wha happened ?
PeterL: dunno, seems it lost its connection to irc
Apocalyptic: myeah, altought it's not the most fortunate sentence construction
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Apocalyptic: "Der-Yeghiayan testified that his own investigation had found that Mutum Sigilum, a Karpeles holding company, had registered silkroadmarket.org as a means to publicize the site further."
mircea_popescu: Something very important happened. The property holders of Nevada voted against the State Constitution; but the folks who had nothing to lose were in the majority, and carried the measure over their heads. But after all it did not immediately look like a disaster, though unquestionably it was one I hesitated, calculated the chances, and then concluded not to sell. Stocks went on rising; speculation went mad; bankers, m
mircea_popescu: erchants, lawyers, doctors, mechanics, laborers, even the very washerwomen and servant girls, were putting up their earnings on silver stocks, and every sun that rose in the morning went down on paupers enriched and rich men beggared. What a gambling carnival it was! Gould and Curry soared to six thousand three hundred dollars a foot! And then—all of a sudden, out went the bottom and everything and everybody went to
mircea_popescu: The bubble scarcely left a microscopic moisture behind it. I was an early beggar and a thorough one. My hoarded stocks were not worth the paper they were printed on. I threw them all away. I, the cheerful idiot that had been squandering money like water, and thought myself beyond the reach of misfortune, had not now as much as fifty dollars when I gathered together my various debts and paid them. I removed from the hot
mircea_popescu: el to a very private boarding house. I took a reporter's berth and went to work. I was not entirely broken in spirit, for I was building confidently on the sale of the silver mine in the east. But I could not hear from Dan. My letters miscarried or were not answered.
mircea_popescu: what a fortunate thing it is that in bitcoin, unlike in the united states, men with no means have no vote.
mircea_popescu: im not disenfranchising them. i merely don't value their arbitrary enfranchisement more than i value a paper fixing new orbits for the solar system.
PeterL: when they adopt bitcoin they gets some say
PeterL: you say you might be able to help with hosting scoopbot?
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assbot: "Some people think I'm nice & are shocked when they find out different. I'm not a nice person, & I don't care about you." --Linus /hashtag/lca2015?src=hash
PeterL: I'm still trying to figure out
PeterL: yesterday my host went down, not sure why bot stopped today
PeterL: I'm going to try hacking in an autorestart again
mircea_popescu: all you gotta do is ask and generally, explain what the problems are you know.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: seems to work better as time goes on and more resources are available :P
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ben_vulpes: docker run -d to daemonize the proc in container
mike_c: down, down! first time in forever i can auth myself :)
mike_c: ah, nice to have all the robots back.
assbot: I have black on white proof of Mark Karpeles making multiple death threats against an ex-employee. So does Japanese police. /hashtag/RossUlbricht?src=hash
BingoBoingo: Make be the proof really is black on white.
Apocalyptic: "<mtgox555> [03:19:56] Ashley Barr is a guy who worked at MtGox who lived in (White Rock) Vancouver. DPR is quoted to wanting a guy in White Rock murdered"
Apocalyptic: probably a literal translation of "noir sur blanc" as the idiomatic expression goes
ben_vulpes: no but you see american english is the only english
cazalla: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, sent each of you an email
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'pragmas' for struct and bitfield layout << struct fo sho
assbot: By the way, here's my 2013 interview with Silk Road's DPR that the DHS told a judge "sounds very much like Karpeles"
http://t.co/ZFOtAXLbXL thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: south park-ified would have an egg head lol
mircea_popescu: well... you got a pension system right ? just like the us ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu so naturally the fees on canada's pension scheme have been escalating of late. it was once 1% of income, now up to 4% or something
mircea_popescu not about to click on more arstechnica etc. qntra or bust.
joecool: BingoBoingo: put it up again in a week when buzzfeed gets it
assbot: Knowing when to head for the exits is how the rich stay rich. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1ub3Int )
mircea_popescu: and get rid of that idiotic one inch white atop the header.
decimation: asciilifeform: what does it mean that Dr. Wertheimer decided to post his 'apology' in the AMS journal?
decimation: so this is a tacit admission that they can't hire anymore?
assbot: /alankerlin Hydraulics are usually closed, but that adds mass vs short acting open systems. F9 fins only work for 4 mins. We were ~10% off.
ben_vulpes: if you have to carry the shit use on the way down, why...
ben_vulpes: perhaps the add'l costs of sealed systems?
decimation: actually if the rocket lands 'face up', won't the fins be facing the 'wrong way'?
decimation: seems like you would want vectored thrust
ben_vulpes: these fins are at the top of the stage.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i think they *do* have vectored thrust, but the relight operation is risky and adds complexity to reentry trajectory.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: docker is like being a kid at christmas all over again
ben_vulpes: if biting off the braindamage, why not eat all layers of the cake.
decimation: ben_vulpes: ah, it seems they also have external retrorockets
ben_vulpes: decimation: "probably" << based on what?
ben_vulpes: SRBs are not (afaik) extinguishable, relightable or throttleable.
ben_vulpes: this leaves you with vectoring which is...not really enough for the task at hand.
decimation: from your article: "In September 2013, SpaceX successfully fired boosters as the rocket fell to Earth, slowing it down so it could land softly."
decimation: so I interpret 'boosters' as 'external retro packs'
decimation: but the guy who wrote it could be a 'tard
ben_vulpes: i'm only seeing two occurences of the string "slow" and neither in the context you quoted.
mircea_popescu: npw i finally understand what they mean by boosting the economy.
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ben_vulpes: business insider is, unsurprisingly, unable to parse straightforward rocket engineering reports.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you ppls keep reading/linking this crud, srsly. they're broken, we know they're broken... i guess it's decent comedy
decimation: lol. yeah I wish I knew wtf this 'leaking fluid' stuff means
ben_vulpes: decimation: i don't think it's "leaking" so much as it's not a traditional "closed" hydraulic system.
ben_vulpes: cursory research indicates that pressurization during powered flight comes from the onboard turbopump and that when not under powered flight there's some pressure reservoir.
ben_vulpes: turns out, pv=nrt is tricky in practice.
decimation: okay so there's a pre-pressurized tank that is at the top of the rocket, it runs out of pressure after pissing out its fluid
decimation: well, the problem is that every ounce of that tank costs $$$
decimation: asciilifeform: moldbug hasn't make something 'useful' of urbit yet?
undata: what a terrifying syntax
decimation tried to run urbit after it was publicized, got tired of the entire world collapsing every other day
undata: then you'd have to memorize their goofy names for things too
undata: reminds me of the ruby ass-dungeon
ben_vulpes: why this obsession with new programming languages
undata: ben_vulpes: scoreboard bro
undata: asciilifeform: seemed it was some kind of functional environment, but I can't read it
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> why this obsession with new programming languages <<< same reason every us chick has had three prior sex partners.
undata: it's all about getting your goofy pile of shit on HN
undata: heh I don't know, there could be interesting ideas in there; I haven't looked
decimation: really, moldbug 'needs' at least a few $bil to make hardware
undata: "MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE" << ahahaha oh god, my sides
mircea_popescu: WHAT IN FUCK IS DONE TO THIS POOR RIFLE? STUPID HICK AMERICAN WITH TEN GALLON HAT AND GIANT PICKUP TRUCK LOOKS AT PERFECTLY FINE SIMONOV KARBIN AND SAYS "NO, RIFLE NEED MORE DUMB SHIT ON IT"?
mircea_popescu: that's a good fucking question lmao. sks fired from the hip by teenage boys in rural texas ? no wonder people can't land fucking rockets.
undata: the guy's right about the mosin
undata: mine's still in incredible shape
mircea_popescu: SURE, IS ONLY YUGOSLAV COPY TYPE BUT IS STILL PROUD DESIGN OF SERGEI SIMONOV. THIS IS LIKE SENDING HIM BIRTHDAY CARD WITH SEVERED OFF THUMB OF DAUGHTER IN ENVELOPE. "HAPPY BIRTHDAY SERGEI! I PISS ON ALL YOU CREATE!"
mircea_popescu: hey ivan chesnokov : apply will you. all you need is a gpg sig, you can sit behind 7 proxies for all i care.
BingoBoingo: "YUGOSLAV TYPE HAS SPECIAL GAS TUBE LEVER AND GRENADE SPIGOT ON END OF BARREL. I THINK LIVE GRENADE FOR CIVILIAN IN AMERICA IS PROBABLY ENOUGH REASON FOR GULAG, SO IS PROBABLY NO REAL USE FOR GRENADE SPIGOT TO YOU. "
BingoBoingo: "YOU LOOK FOR NICE SHINE AND GOOD SMOOTH SURFACE. YOU LOOK FOR SHARP EDGE ON RIFLING OF BARREL. YOU NOTICE AND AVOID BARREL IF HAS POCKMARKS LIKE ASS OF FAT GIRL. "
mircea_popescu: IN RUSSIA WE ALSO HAVE RULES OF COURTING. DO NOT BRING SIDEARM TO FIRST TIME WITH GIRL. SENDS WRONG MESSAGE, THAT YOU ARE BAD CONSCRIPT WHO WILL RAPE GIRL.
mircea_popescu: somehow it seems to me he uses conscript as transliteration of ciolovek
BingoBoingo: ON SECOND TIME MANY DRINKS OF VODKA TO MAKE GIRL WANT FUCK; MATCHING ENOUGH DRINKS MAKES DANGEROUS TO CARRY SIDEARM.
mircea_popescu: dude check it out, the only extant country he actually mentions is romania
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decimation: my dad recently had his kitchen floor rebuilt. the wooden floor carpenters were apparently all romanian
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decimation: that doesn't mean that hardware isn't interested in him!
mircea_popescu: generally the paper revolutionaries looking for a little "investment" tend to make it clear they don't actually wish to rock the boat.
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mircea_popescu: "So I think I was raped last night…. Or sexually assaulted. I was hooking up with this guy I regularly hook up with since the break up, but I’m not really into him and just kinda want him to satisfy me u know? So we were having sex like usual…. But then he turned me around and began penetrating me from behind “doggy style.” He kept going. Not ONCE did he ask if it was ok to change positions. What should I do
mircea_popescu: ??! I don’t want him to hate me because I have a crush on his hot friend, but rape is not ok. I let him continue and we both came, but it’s natural to have sensations even when raped. I can’t even think straight anymore idk what to do. Thinking about posting his Facebook here."
mircea_popescu: problem with idiots is that even middlingly executed parody is indistinguishable from their actual creeds.
mircea_popescu: thus it's more productive energy-wise to use faster bullets, not larger slower ones.
decimation: have amounted to a few thousand dollars for each of the 64,000 class members."
mircea_popescu: but they can spend A TRILLION for a shitty plane, those people ?
decimation: of course, esteemed professors in USG law explain how this is good: Ms. Lobel said. “But it’s a good result in that there has been much media attention to the illegality of such retention practices, real monetary consequences and promises to cease all such practices in the future.”"
mircea_popescu: why's google, apple and etc not pay a trillion ? it's just bezzlars anyway.
mircea_popescu: but they're suddenly NOT the same thing if they leave the circuit, are they.
decimation: hey little engineer derp! here's $5k for us supressing your wage for a decade - it's cool because the newspapers have said google is bad
mircea_popescu: these magical money that make anyone rich up to the point where they'rer to be spent...
mircea_popescu: x company sells for 100 mn. you talk to the founders... they made 50k off the deal.
mircea_popescu: "yreah, my gf sells romance novels, it was like 3 of her books"
mircea_popescu: "well i guess that's fair, they also sell for 20-30mn"
decimation: mircea_popescu: conversely, it makes 'total sense' for the management of apple or whoever to buy back stock
decimation: curiously they are all compensated directly in stock options & equivilents...
mircea_popescu: buffett explained this scam back when he was still you know, possessed of himself.
mircea_popescu: hire some derp to work your company, pay him by share price, next thing you know he;'s buying up your stock.
decimation: exactly. in the us system it's even worse, given the pervasive nature of index-fund investing by derps with retirements
mircea_popescu: socialistoids of all flavours praise this system of "dilute ownership"
decimation: mircea_popescu: it makes the little people feel like they are getting their money's worth, as their stock valuation rises, while the management cashes out
decimation: it's a brillant scam if you can run it
assbot: If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1KPbAFD )
mircea_popescu: decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,
☟︎ xiando: I do not speak chinese so sorry
assbot: Judge Forrest ended the first week of the Silk Road trial by reminding the jury not to watch the Princess Bride over the weekend.
BingoBoingo: The Silk Road Aministrator title is a reference to the plot of that film.
mircea_popescu: you know, for an ironclad case the prosecution claims, and for an independence from the state the judge pretends,
BingoBoingo: Because Gox collapsed because the FBI took all of Karpales coins in the silk road bust.
assbot: The trial is going in the favor of defense and they are panicking so we can't give them a reason to anonymize the jury. No signs. No signs.
mircea_popescu: not like you're going to do anything whatsoever BECAUSE of the usg.
decimation: interesting, the march 15 euro future on CME is at $1.16, with a $1.16 call at $0.0248 and put at $0.0195
decimation: I guess the simple call-put analysis would imply a future increase in price
decimation: but that was the case a few weeks ago, and the future has fallen
decimation: I suppose the simple (call-put) analysis ignores the prevailing interest rates in each currency, which would also affect the future price
decimation: kodak is an excellent example of a company selling off its economically viable business for no reason
mircea_popescu: anyway, if ever there was a social experiment to illustrate just how little computer geeks understand, bitcoin's it.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of things seem obvious by simile to people with no experience and not much intellectual curiosity.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow their inability to score girlfriends or be the life of the party does not even begin to hint to them that perhaps they're ill prepared to judge economic phenomena.
mircea_popescu: dunning kruger is not reserved to idiots. it's just another name for the aspie's sufferance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean mostly the ruby and web2.0 "we r code" bunch.
mircea_popescu: like gavin, or the rest. the million people that's a million extra hands on github
mircea_popescu: it's what computer geek means, these days. "shy, socially awkward teenager that doesn't know how to use computers, in spite of spending a lot of time with them"
decimation: so, the chinese peasant is a textile hobbyist in the way that the 'computer geek' is a programming hobbyist?
decimation: yeah, I can see that. note that this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros
mircea_popescu: they probably learn more useful & important stuff playing counterstrike than mashing the kbd for code.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cloth unquestionably exists ; so exists bad code.
mircea_popescu: now if in question were shoes... or rifles... but they aren't, are they.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: hard to be found and find peers when drowning in sewage & assorted cuntpuss
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: because somehow inexplicably cuntpuss has purchasing power. for shame.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic they look to me like a steel frame tied to the calf and foot.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I've been looking for a heel form specifically like that to wear for long trips in my sportscar. Minus all the metal and straps. I think a heel form support over the outside of a vibram would probably double my range without rest.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago you could have leather shoes made by design to order in quantities of one, up in harlem.
mircea_popescu: there must be some shop left somewhere that still does it. they make chain mail by hand and whatnot, i can't imagine shoemakers all died out.
midnightmagic: that's a good idea.. for a long time I thought I'd have to cast a form out of carbon fiber or something
mircea_popescu: you can trivially make it out of silicone. it'll suck.
midnightmagic: i need undeformable support. the weight of my leg on my heel while driving is pretty excruciating, but normal shoes would ruin my feel of the floor and pedals
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davout: fluffypony: do you know a monero executive summary?
fluffypony: davout: how short a summary do you want?
davout: 2~3 pages to start i'd say
davout: just so i have an idea what it's about so i can dig further if needed
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.000441 = 6.152 BTC [-]
jurov: pity the monero memory problem isn't resolved yet (keeps blockchain in memory, needs 30G)
jurov: just for fun i have tried to cap RSS using control groups so that the rest would go to swap
jurov: it worked for maybe a day, then linux died
BingoBoingo: Everyone dies, but one day before die is dissaponting amount of die
fluffypony: and the lmdb branch is reasonably stable, but Linux only at this stage
jurov: ohh so i remember wrong.. reports actually say 5-6GB
jurov: still was too much
jurov: will try that branch, thx
fluffypony: yep it doubles up to 6gb when its spooling to disk (every 12 hours), as it creates a copy of the blockchain object
assbot: This is probably going to be disappointing for you, but I am not and have never been Dread Pirate Roberts.
jurov: it's completely incomprehensible to me why they have chosen karpeles of all people
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BingoBoingo: Well Where might McCaleb have met Kapeles if not the silk road over a spoonful of black tar?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: nah, probably only a couple of minutes - you have to remember that he would only have heard the news shortly before that Tweet, what with the self-induced mocha frappacino coma binge he's been on lately
thestringpuller: no wonder the Feds were able to compromise Silk Road if Tux was running it.
fluffypony: they offered him donuts and lattes until he gave them the server keys
thestringpuller: a super villian would have been running this shit from Africa and would have actually killed people in the process
thestringpuller: And instead of being arrested by feds and tried, Obama would have sent a drone.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00045993 = 7.2209 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2015 21:14:46; kakobrekla: also some fx brokerages closed.
assbot: lifeboatz comments on "Defense in Silk Road trial arguing Mark Karpeles, CEO of Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, was the real mastermind behind Silk Road." ... (
http://bit.ly/1ykucK9 )
TomServo: Another great article BingoBoingo.
BingoBoingo: Thanks TomServo, been chewing on that one too long prolly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol always great to read the comedy gold classics every time us policy backfires massively.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " So far it hasn't been enforced due to its extreme vagary, but in the unstable environment of applied United States law. Not with the sudden resurgence of threats to invoke the All Writs Act reentering the public discourse in late 2014."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just rewrote that sentence, hazard of multi session writing.
mircea_popescu: "Expenditure for the year comprised of 3 totals as some costs could not be settled in BTC or were preferably settled in XMR. Our expenditure was 190.513492 BTC + 1 891.31 XMR + US $5 732.80, which is around the 212 BTC mark. Thus the shortfall of 164.5 BTC was paid out of the Core Team's own pockets in the hopes of recovering the funds later on (ie. just in case anyone was wondering, not only do the core team not get p
mircea_popescu: aid at all, but we've put a significant amount of funds into Monero)."
mircea_popescu: this would explain the shockingly large 50 btc donations figure for an altcoin i guess.
mircea_popescu: 35 weeks of development (245 days) since Monero was inherited by the Core Team 594 separate commits << inherited by whom ? how ? if that inherited had linked to a gpg signed testament...
davout: mircea_popescu: maybe in the sense that it was inherited as a messy bytecoin code base
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mircea_popescu hated that "illustrative" graph too. fucking sleek but meaningless graphics.
mircea_popescu: Testing infrastructure consists of a Mac Mini hosted at MacStadium, as well as a beefy testing box hosted at Hetzner in Germany, on which we have a number of VMs for the various operating systems and variants we target. >> much better.
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davout: i was personnally quite impressed by the "let's start by a financial report"
mircea_popescu: "OpenAlias is different. Not only does it "square Zooko's triangle" " << the entire discusison of that thing (my mind went, ok, let's try and poke one particular thing and see" is nice and all for the zooko discussion, but a) it's not clear to me what's the relation to open alias corporation if any
mircea_popescu: (when what looks like a term of art has basically two apparently divorced meanings via google, it's suspicious if they don't seem mutually aware)
mircea_popescu: in any case it'd benefit from an explanation of itself.
mircea_popescu: "With the two attacks we thwarted in 2014, the GUI development had to take a bit of a backseat." << in depth description ? links ? somehow for me to evaluate if they're due to the world being full of idiots (ddos ?) or the devs being idiots (we were using ruby!!1)
mircea_popescu: Hey! This page will never end! Just keep on scrolling to see more posts! < lol busted. anyway! i guess it goes back i nthe pile that has been holding "open transactyions" since about 2011.
mircea_popescu: "And for three years it worked. But on Thursday the Swiss suddenly gave up. We don’t know exactly why; nobody I know believes the official explanation, that it’s a response to a weakening euro. " << ha-ha. everyone you DON'T know knows the explanation. it was published on fucking trilema for crissakes, not even as a news item.
mircea_popescu: that what the us considers important thinkers have no access to basic data, because they're isolated on a WoI, should speak volumes.
TomServo: In glancing through the comments on Krugman's piece, he seems to be getting pretty well lambasted there.
mircea_popescu: those people just failed to "enter the looking glass world" when "everybody" did.
mircea_popescu: they were left on this other side with nobody, and putin.
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of remarkable (not really) just how self-labeling stupidity actually is. the difference between trying to "explain yourself" as an idiot and simply wearing a lot of large "hey everyone, i'm the idiot!" signs and tags is hard to notice.
mircea_popescu: "So let’s learn from the Swiss. They’ve been careful; they’ve maintained sound money for generations. And now they’re paying the price."
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BingoBoingo: Apparently the dollar fell against 87 octane yesterday at retail
assbot: What I find interesting about it, is that it appears to be effortless; like these are the cast offs, the "While ima here, Ill let you know".
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure either, but the tweets surrounding it are praise
rithm: BingoBoingo I know some spots who sell 87 octane for 1.88 cash and 1.99 credit fwiw
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BingoBoingo: rithm: There's one that always has that spread a couple towns over.
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BingoBoingo: But yesterday Went from $1.79 up to $2.09 and this morning back to $1.79, that volatility
mircea_popescu: "LSU football equipment is leased to student-athetes, who are not allowed to give it away or sell it." fucking outrage.
BingoBoingo: Well according to the NCAA written rules, they aren't alowed to. According to the unwritten rules of the actual government of the sport they totally are allowed to give away and sell it.
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BingoBoingo: Legitimate government of Sicily is not in Rome sort of situation.
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xanthyos: hello fellow bitcoiners, what are my poker chips worth today?
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jurov: kakobrekla: maybe because cardano nor its rng is not released yet?
jurov: yea, for example NeuG claims: It is a true RNG, with SHA-256 conditioning component.
jurov: cardano is another league than this
kakobrekla: well they rave about "support other crypto project"
kakobrekla: and mp had direct contact with the man iirc
kakobrekla: so i guess i had my expectations scammed
jurov: Most entropy sources don't produce "good" random numbers. The source may, for example, produce ones only 25% of the time. This doesn't negate the value of the source. However, the "obvious" non-randomness must be eliminated; that is the task of the conditioner.
jurov: The output of the conditioner is then fed into a cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator (CSPRNG). The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source.
jurov: wtf "difficult about reason"?
jurov: Thus, it is possible to say that the resulting device is at least as secure as a CSPRNG, but, since we have a constant stream of new seeds, we can be confident that it is actually a better source of random numbers than a CSPRNG that is seeded less frequently.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 20:38:05; asciilifeform: Rassah: why are you using whitening (hashing) in rng? and 'because everyone does' is not acceptable answer.
jurov: if it would be merely about von neumann, then ok
jurov: but these people nave a need to construct such reasoning
jurov: "the more often we seed it, the better"
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pete_dushenski: gotta give the politicians something to chew on over the weekend
pete_dushenski: fantastic place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.
pete_dushenski: a yes, where that *other* very bad racist joo is trying to sell the basketball team
thestringpuller: people aren't really complaining too heavily tho locally since the teams is actually good this season
TomServo: Is that the 'no, I assure you I'm racist' self-outing guy?
thestringpuller: i srsly though the hawks were still owned by Ted Turner/Time Warner
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and mp had direct contact with the man iirc << who this again ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> why these folks renamed it, i cannot say. << guess/
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you're missing the point. he won't be there in 2025.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> well whos the guy ? < fuck if i know. i just made a bet he wont reply, but he did. iirc.
mircea_popescu: In the immortal rights of Moss, Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before."
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mircea_popescu: "The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source." << gotta love the sweet innocence on display here tho.
mircea_popescu: "why do we interact with the fantastic representations in our head rather than with the flesh and blood woman before us ? IT IS EASIER!"
mircea_popescu: it's not even "easy-difficulty" it's now "better-difficult". fucking psychotic generation already.
pete_dushenski: not enough art classes for kids so they get all obsessed with rulers and crayons as adults
mircea_popescu: "here's the temperatures in the past 30 years. on the basis of this, here's how the temperatures woud have been in the past 5000 years, if our presupositions are correct. on the basis of this, here's the story of the future : our presupositions are correct"
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp an' a bottle of rum... well not rum. ginger ale.
pete_dushenski: "JUST IN: Bank of America CEO calls for calm: Savings accounts will not be affected by federal reserve decision."
pete_dushenski: "US Joint Chief of staff: USS George Washington damaged, US navy now engaged in active combat against Chinese vessels in South China sea."
pete_dushenski: also, the white house "doesn't need" all kinds of things it can't do, like stop assad or whatever
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it would seem the story there isthat obama knows that congress can be bought quite cheaply
mircea_popescu: it's an unstable situation this, where the supposedly senior rulemaker is cheaper to buy than the supposedly junior partner.
mircea_popescu: the solution are as always : either make the senior much richer (which really is not feasible) or break the relationship.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu sorry, which relationship are you referring to here?
pete_dushenski: well obama might be the senior partner, but he's only one man
pete_dushenski: which should conceivably always be cheaper than a whole hoard of congressmen
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski government is the junior partner by tradition / legislation
pete_dushenski: and since the legislation is choking on its own vomit, the tradition is changing?
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undata: this pot legality thing is just another american political football. no one ever had trouble getting weed, nor passing a drug test. its a distraction issue.
jurov: rly, no one ever had trouble?
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undata: asciilifeform: I guess I'm speaking as a guy in his 20s
undata: I'm thinking of Oregon's legalization and how its lauded as some social victory
undata: meh, life has not materially changed
undata: you want to really change the world, legalize acid
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danielpbarron: if legalizing stuff changed the world, it would be made illegal
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mircea_popescu: if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal
TomServo: hadn't heard of dailyhashrate before, reads like bitcoin's onion
cazalla: mircea_popescu: if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal <<<mosquitoes in BA?
mircea_popescu: cazalla no, but i am not an egotist. i think of my fellow man
cazalla: talk is cheap! make them illegal, be a doer like bill gates
mircea_popescu: TomServo welll... some guy i never heard of presented on some webpage i never saw before as important, turns out he's another gavin, doing parlour tricks atparties and whatnot.
TomServo: I thought he was maybe North America's Dotcom knockoff.
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mircea_popescu: i wonder what the us army would look like on the ground if they actually started eating the afghanistani.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how inclined teh arabs would be to fight if losing means they're eaten.
mircea_popescu: it's a huge no-no. you can't go into afterlife anymore.
undata: better than turned into an islamic woman
mircea_popescu: that's the female prayer, thank you allah for not having made me sheep (beast of field)
mircea_popescu: the one with "too important, i didn;t recognize him" had me rolling on the floor lol
joecool: i wish -assets would take on attempting to make gnupg2 less horrible, which is the preferred version of gnupg in here anyway?
joecool: 1.4 was decent for usability, 2 i am constantly fighting
joecool: asciilifeform: it's just ugly ugly horrible software, unintuitive, i have to swap out pinentry implementation between environments
cazalla: i use to cover the company A raises X amount of capital but have been skipping them as you could really just word replace the amount and company name from a previous article and be done with it. does anyone actually care about such things and wishes to see them?
mircea_popescu: cazalla not particularly. unless you either have exclusivity, a scoop or actual documents,
mircea_popescu: they must PAY To have such articles published. in that they're fraud.
joecool: asciilifeform: it's just constant fighting to do most anything with the software, it's laid out poorly, simple tasks like minting smartcards, i literally have to back up the config directory for it and copy to mint more cards
joecool: if i needed to protect from a 3-letter agency i'd have bigger problems than the shortcomings of a smartcard
mircea_popescu: that's not how you build effectual deterrence. that's how you set yourself up to shrem.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever said "if i'm ever in a fire i'll have bigger problems than this tiny fire hydrant can solve"
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joecool: mircea_popescu: there are two major problems with this implementation that i see. both are problems the cardano solves, 1. the system knows it's a smartcard and malicious software could use it, and 2. weak entropy generation for signing
joecool: an adversary with large resources will likely be able to get around that through forced coercion before even needing to try to attack the implementation (which I still believe would be a nontrivial task unless the system had a rootkit installed that maliciously generated signatures, that i would see on the counter)
mircea_popescu: entropy could be more important for encryption than signing.
mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as you're a person rather than an organisation, "forced coercion" is really not very much use.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i was unaware of the entropy issues on signing until after this was implemented, until then i had assumed it was only important to generate the keys themselves with sufficient entropy
joecool: but i will continue to read on this and see if i can come up with a better way to handle it
mircea_popescu: well, depending of what you actually need to sign, never putting your signed matter over the wire unencrypted can help a lot.
mircea_popescu: in that it drastically limits the pool of potential attackers and attackable material.
PinkPosixPXE: morning ben_vulpes .. sorry, I got pulled into a meeting hehe
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teward: mircea_popescu: you should probably tag your NSFW as NSFW >.>
mircea_popescu: teward you are aware this place has a history and so on, right ? read it and all ?
teward: mircea_popescu: yes, just sayin for those of us who IRC while in class from the back of the room... ;)
teward has privacy screens on either way but still
teward is also *insanely* bored today in class
danielpbarron: if that wasn't safe for your work then you need to find new work
teward: mircea_popescu: please don't force me to sit through a 4 hour lecture on my own state's history without some distraction >.>
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ben_vulpes: -assets is highly async, PinkPosixPXE - didn't read any impoliteness
jurov: i don't know how i managed to survive 4 hour lectures on uni, had only nokia brick then
jurov: it was data capable, but plans were too expensive
mircea_popescu: i mostly hung out with the girls. and if the girls didn't show up i mostly harrangued the prof.
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TomServo: That must be the best use of vine to date.
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ben_vulpes: love the cameraphone in the back there
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no im pretty sure he has it. "they feel like they're doing something". much like their education.
mircea_popescu: not learning anything, but hey, they've gone to college.
mircea_popescu: same here : not doing anything, but hey, they're "involved" with bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: also, if they never hear a dissenting opinion ever again that'll be soon enough.
davout: they kind of think that some random guy that never heard about bitcoin will be thrilled to receive a fraction of a cent in magic internet money, redeem it, and start spreading adopshun
mircea_popescu: yes. as ideas spread on the internet, the derps they touch become increasingly nonsensical.
davout: somehow they're too dumb to realize that their 'tips' are more insulting and spammy than anything...
mircea_popescu: hey, the average domestic animal regards its keeper as an animal of the same age and the same gender as it is.
mircea_popescu: so... what do you mean not everybody on the internet is a dumbass ?
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artifexd: <asciilifeform> speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ? << No. I'm using go's openpgp code. However, I'm structuring the code so that I can later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg. Then you can use whatever version of gpg your heart desires.
artifexd: The shell out will be slow. Yup.
davout: he just said it would be an option...
artifexd: read what again? davout is correct.
davout: "later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg"
artifexd: I'm not going to write in lisp.
artifexd: He said "write it in whatever you want as long as it compiles on linux"
davout: iirc it said 'steal some gpg code' can be wrong here tho
davout: rfc sez "Steal gpg code - any version prior to the Snowden defection"
artifexd: I could write it in C or C++ but cross compiling is an absolute nightmare that I choose not to put up with.
artifexd: My daily dev machine is Windows.
artifexd: My alternate dev machine is OSX.
artifexd: I have linux servers and vm's that I use for testing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem anyway, you weren't going to run his binaries ? no os compiler for it ?
artifexd: go compiles on the big os's. Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD
mircea_popescu: so c is a gnu proprietary language ? what's a proprietary language ?
mircea_popescu: well you know it occurs to me it'd be a lot more productive if you go in early with a "hey, could it please be c ? i would like to run this on mips" discussion than a late paniucwhen guy picks whatever he happened to pick.
davout: mircea_popescu: what's so wrong with ruby anyway?
davout: i was about to add 'specifically?' :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so other people like other languages, big whoop.
mircea_popescu: well so why do you want him to also write it in c ? go is a better choice neh ?
mircea_popescu: well yes. that way it gets implemented in two languages.
mircea_popescu: but i still dunno wtf is wrong with it. so, it has open compiler. it has open libraries.
mircea_popescu: well... guess what ? nobody ever read fucking linux, either.
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mircea_popescu: listen, if you don't start fucking girls born after X at some point, you'll be stuck in wrinkle heaven.
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mircea_popescu: dude you can't impeach people on the grounds that they ate with hitler.
mircea_popescu: well ok, sure, but still. i dun see the problem, so b-a guy wants to play with go. his choice, his signature, why is this an issue.
mircea_popescu: if i pick a barber i don't go by the straight razor brand.
mircea_popescu: if only great wautu blessed us with some unquestionable crypto routines.
mircea_popescu: anyway. guy can use whatever crypto routines he's comfortable with, on the general understanding that he's read them and is actually comfortable with them
mircea_popescu: as opposed to... well... it's what the build pulled in.
mircea_popescu: seems a reasonable approach tbh, but generally people should free to use whatever they wish to use.
artifexd: How could the crypto routines be compromised in a way that would matter? Weak key generation? gossipd doesn't generate keys. Weak rng during encryption? I pick the rng (and can offer an option for you to supply your own). Encrypting a message with an "extra" key so peet can read it? That should be easy to see in the code.
mircea_popescu: artifexd not to be taken lightly this. a lot can be compromised in gossipd crypto.
artifexd: I'm talking about the identity keys.
mircea_popescu: even if you use rsa-only keys, you can rsa-encrypt a message so that it's easier to break but still decryptable by destination.
artifexd: Can you explain to me how *I* could do it?
mircea_popescu: Using Cryptography Against Cryptography. Adam Young and Moti Yung.