mats: i wonder if this is how history will remember gawker
mats: destroyed because hulk hogan is on tape asking to be cucked
cazalla: i thought it was hogan fucking the other guy's missus?
BingoBoingo: mats: No, Hogan is doing the cucking as cazalla says
cazalla: hulk need money? not sure why he'd be so butthurt, not like it was a gay sex tape or something
BingoBoingo: The short of the drama around the tape is Hogan thought he was doing a service by satisfying this guy's wife. The cuckold and his wife violated Hogan's trust by videotaping this charitable act.
assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 23:52:10; mircea_popescu: * ascii_field still not convinced that this is any kind of actual defeat for usg << and if i serve it cooked you still wouldn't be. it's like a religion with you :D
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BingoBoingo: If you are talking about Nick Denton's impending abandonment of Gawker Media... Very early qntra was far less kind to GAW Miners going so far as to label them "Jizz Moppers"
trinque: ^ points to a serious decline if you ask me
BingoBoingo: It is seriously not a secret at all that Nick Denton sucks cocks. That would literally be the opposite of news.
funkenstein_: gotta keep up with the celebrity gossip i guess
funkenstein_: no sorry, likely i am just ignorant and gawker has some importance I don't know about
BingoBoingo: It has tremendous importance in the same way the white squared Bishop does on a chess board.
trinque checks the front page of gawker
cazalla: 48 year old cheerleader, i guess that could've been traumatic but i would've been quite happy to fuck that at 15
cazalla: prob not brag worthy to ya mates though
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trinque: ag3nt_zer0: did you get your gpg sorted?
DanielBTC: Hi people. Thanks for the voice danielpbarron
DanielBTC: I new here in this channel I will read a little the wiki =)
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah I am thinking since I was told yesterday that doing it right means local and plaintext then it doesnt really matter that it is linked to something that can operate with thunderbird and enigmail... I can simply keep it linked to my tutanota account... this makes sense to me but I don't know shit about this stuff...
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felipelalli: welcome DanielBTC! He's a personal friend, same city as mine.
ag3nt_zer0: I am coinfused as to how the "keys" work though... is my "fingerprint" my public key?
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Any pop3 or imap email that allows your client direct access to smtp for outgoing is fine
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: no, that is a unique identifier for your public key
ag3nt_zer0: BingoBoingo: yes but if I am encrypting plaintext then I am just attaching the file... tutanota, which I set it up with, provides their own encryption, so it isnt pop3 or imap... I think... they told me they cant do that since they are encrypted
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Then don's bother with them. encyt your plaintext to asciiarmored plaintext.
ahmed_: danielpbarron: do you want BTC or do u want LTC?
danielpbarron: ultimately i'm gonna trade the LTC for btc, so if you can cut out that step that would be great
BingoBoingo: I dun know what tutanota is, but he ideal email provider is three steps dumber than rocks
ag3nt_zer0: tinque: ok, so this is what will be public? and then how do I decrypt?
ahmed_: shoot me the private key in PM and i'll shoot u the BTC? or vice versa
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: gpg --export --armor <your email address>
trinque: danielpbarron: send me your private keys kthx
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: maybe I'll be back in a year if I get a clue haha
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: first focus on learning to use the program gpg
trinque: don't worry about email and such
trinque: encrypt and decrypt a textfile using your own key
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: ok sounds good... maybe I am looking at the "keys" wrong... since pgp is called the bitcoin-standard in encrypted communications, I just assumed it would have a public key/private key situation similar to BTC and that this would be how to encrypt and decrypt
ag3nt_zer0: I will play with it and figure out how to do that basic step first... thanks
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danielpbarron: and thank you! saved me from having to install some sketchy Litecoin thing just to sell it
trinque: ah that's what he meant re: privkeys
danielpbarron: i had this paper wallet from back when I was into altcoins, and today the price of LTC is way up for some reason so i figured i'd finally get rid of that thing
cazalla: meh litecoin price is just chinese exchanges doing what chinese do best.. scamming
cazalla: that jubi exchange has been doing it past few weeks with coins like vertcoin
BingoBoingo: So, LED bulbs... really excelling at exterior lighting.
trinque: much better light than that fluorescent shit
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you accepting LED bitcoin mining gifts from bitfury or something? should disclose such a thing eh?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, walmart had marked down an older model bulb to clearance, scooped a bunch up. Prolly should have checked for network connectivity and miners
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform only accepts optical, quantum interference mining modules from 'bitlazy' << lol
cazalla: BingoBoingo, what are they rated to last for? i usually go whatever is cheapest on account all that shit is made in china and probably won't last near what they claim it will (but just long enough that i've binned receipt)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Every single one everywhere here says up to 22 years so all are bullshitting. I just got to cut consumption vs. previous socket occupants
Vexual: if it breaks they update the model nummber
Vexual: tv is covered with the scandal of isis agents paying us100's to poor fishermen to take refugees back to indo
Vexual: poor fucks might still have their money if it was bitcoin
joecool: BingoBoingo: hey, thanks... i'm in wot though, or did you just miss hearing from me?
Duffer1: hi guys :) sorry gotta run, afk a bit
cazalla: surprised they're yet to attack boxing ring girls yet
cazalla: gee google is shit.. i search "word antonym".. did you mean "word synonym" ?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Ring girls are protected by the mighty pay-per-view barrier
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not every fight is ppv though yet pletny of ring girls to be found on the shitty circuits they show here down under
Vexual: BingoBoingo, The ring girls for our fight are prolly geing born now
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Vexual: i dunno about maths geniuses, but i know bb knows i don't know to box, and wouldnt expose himself to the spectacle
decimation: asciilifeform: stallman sits upon emacs, etc
decimation: asciilifeform: who are these contributors who were afraid of contributing to a gnu (instead of werner) copyright?
decimation: "as u see on this postcard im in great country of fuckwitstan. pls to commit my patches ur cryptolib"
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Vexual: a popular process these days no?
Vexual: fucklazy is never good
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you have to appreciate i don't do bezzle. that "couple mil" per year was about 20k actual deductibles and the rest fluff.
mircea_popescu: <mats> i wonder if this is how history will remember gawker << it's certainly how i'll remember it. "that wanna-be news-livejournal thing that got destroyed by hulk hogan"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or similar 'leak' with unambiguous physical consequences. << the "unambiguous" in there is a no true scotsman. you know for a fact that leaks to date have had physical consequences of the worst kind for the twerps in question, and you know they know, and you can observe them act in consequence of that knowledge. they digested the fact they are informationally defeated.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but you have to consider Denton only does Bezzel, Blow Jobs, and Loss leading social engineering. From what I understand he hit his peak wealth before Gawker got close to popular. Much like i hit peak fitness a decade ago befor I had internet connected terminal at "werk"
BingoBoingo: Sure, but his gay is more accept nao than Turing's was then. Even though he also had to bankroll fat acceptance, Kardashians, and lets hate athletic success to make it happen.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> So, LED bulbs... really excelling at exterior lighting. << so they are. also they bother the fauna, so less racoons
decimation: mircea_popescu: 'has physical consequences' seems like a solid criteria, not 'no true scotsman'
mircea_popescu: decimation everything's ambiguous if you wish it to be
decimation: in the case in question though, I think it does do damage to usg where it hurts
mircea_popescu: the others didn't have the gumption tro spend a coupla years as paris hilton's foot slaves
mircea_popescu: generally, early discussion of later to be publicly known stuff is considered unambiguous enough.
decimation: not to minimize your reign of terror, but I think usg servants fear chinese agents even more
BingoBoingo: Kim has an ass that can only be built from Armenia, Squats, and slavish dedication. Kim's sisters... Have bodies built by lazy and spandex tressing.
cazalla: fwiw i don't even think she's that attractive (bisfh obviously)
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck apologizes for women that look good in bikinis
BingoBoingo pretty sure best thing at stopping USG action is other USG inertia and USG molasses
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mircea_popescu: "The only great material difference between Gawker's lines on the fappening and their publication of Bollea's tape is that while photos during the fappening were released in a decentralized manner, Gawker got to publish the Hulk Hogan sex tape first. "
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cazalla: well au signed a free trade agreement with choina today.. PM thinks we should be happy we get cheap shit from china even cheaper now or something
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mircea_popescu: cazalla it's no alternative sort of deal. the "us in south china sea" story is coming to an end this decade.
mats: usg is notoriously stubborn so please share intel with the class
mircea_popescu: no usable jet, not like carriers would be usable even if they had a jet, no money to back it all up with anyway even if they had a miracle cure for rocketry, and no brains to work the entire thing even if money were somehow to be found, as it's always found when there's brains involved.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'll hold you to that!
mircea_popescu: next us president whoever is gonna be is going to discover a sudden fondness for russia and "move past previous difficulties", and the transition's complete : washington is now a sort of germany, in charge of a large rust bucket that doesn't much care for it.
mats: usg has the next best thing to a naval base in south china sea
mats: im not sure what you're specifically referring to
mircea_popescu: Noynoy Aquino said that the Philippines is still considering to join AIIB. "We have not indicated that we are ready to join also. We are actually at the stage of studying the proposal to join this particular new entity."
mircea_popescu: japan was also considering it but then... somehow they changed their mind.
cazalla: well if it all goes to shit.. might finally find out what the yanks have been doing at pine gap all these years
mircea_popescu: eh, you might discover that chinese honeymoon much more pleasant than usg dregs.
mircea_popescu: it'll suck when your kids come of age, not next decade.
mats: i am pretty curious to see what happens to china over the next century
mats: the one child policy has serious cultural ramifications
mats: chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines
☟︎ cazalla: alotta chinese women with aussie men these days
mats: this predicament is why i have no sympathy for all the SJW whiners in USA
mats: folks have no sense of scale
mats: imagine being a chinese male with no prospects
mircea_popescu: back in 1992 all ukrainian girls were dancing in leipzig.
cazalla: yellow man, white pussy, big $$$
mircea_popescu: recently the airlines managed to lose more money than was made in the history of flight.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile prostitution... i suspect whores are going to make more money this century than total up to date.
mats: how did they manage to do that after making 3x usu profits because cost of fuel going down?
mats: my understanding is that operating an airline has always been a losing proposition
mircea_popescu: ayway, whoredom's gonna be great business. the chinese bezzle looks like it's going to be this, a lot of small yellow beta males swarmin' around. except they won't try to go to college and get a mortgage to please the old folks.
mircea_popescu: they'll just carry dept to stick coins in the stereoscopic machine with the girl taking her pants off
cazalla: airline industry is aus is pretty bad, so bad that QANTAS has a debt guarantee from the government
mats: IIRC US-based airlines have consistently reported 1% or 0 profit since being privatized
mats: hedging against cost of fuel is a bitch
mircea_popescu: and re the "imagine being a drone"... why do you think it's so impossible to imagine ?
mircea_popescu: in any case : the best thing that could happen is for a whole lot of lines to go extinct. like... most of them, really.
mats: its a dramatically different thing to be a white WalMart greeter
mats: than it is to be a manual laborer for Wu Gang's Mining Emporium
mircea_popescu: more like a freeranged cow for wu gang's organic organ growth farm.
mats: the cultural context is entirely different, and whether its true or not,
mats: there's a lot more implicit potential social mobility involved in being a white dude in us
mircea_popescu: social mobility is a nice way to say it. the other way to say it is "swimming in a shitswamp"
mircea_popescu: as empirically observed, there's not any cause or any way to build anything in a swamp.
mats: whereas, if you're a chinese dude,
mats: literally 1 in 4 dudes you meet will never procreate
chetty: only in Amerika can you just decide to be black even if you skin is white
cazalla: plenty of white people aren't procreating either, different reasons though (career women)
cazalla: there's what.. a billion or more chinese? i think they're good numbers wise
mircea_popescu: used to be, for most of human history, numbers mattered.
chetty: it still takes 2 to tango
mircea_popescu: only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.
☟︎ cazalla: so we're at the point we're it's sorta like bezzle but for people?
mircea_popescu: originally, people pinned women down and stuck it in them because the kids cost nothing, either fed themselves off offal or died, and then could be used, for purposes.
mircea_popescu: then, steam power replaced muscle power, and people started playing talent lottery.
cazalla: well i must say, it comes to a shock that i have been printing bezzle
mircea_popescu: one million schmucks had to kill themselves raising kids in new jersey so there could be a miss new jersey on television
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about rockstars and genius scientists now.
mircea_popescu: consequently... really, no further point. if tomorrow you wake up and there's not ten billion people but ten thousand, there won't be a notable difference.
cazalla: could be if the remaining 9,999 are all women :P
mats: i don't care about reproduction, but there is the issue of those others
chetty: would be noticeable when stuff starts breaking down
cazalla: mats, maybe they don't care either?
mats: i suppose the tentative plan is to recolonize oceania and us
mats: pretty hard to ignore biological imperatives, cazalla
mats: even when you enjoy the taste of cock
cazalla: well if/when america topples over, down under is shit out of luck, chinese will come flooding out of the water and on to the land
cazalla: and i can't imagine the chinese men will have much mercy for the aussie men banging their chinese-australian women
cazalla: mats, i doubt they do ignore them which is why pornotubes are the top sites
cazalla: pay in what? dollars? doubtful, iron ore? chinese own it all already
cazalla: meh chinese farmed em already
mats: the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee
☟︎ mircea_popescu: actually there's a decent sf story in there, title it something like "986"
mircea_popescu: the premise being that in that future of barely a thousand people, you don't really need names, and moreover, you can trivially ennumerate the list of everyone
mats: clean air, water, and food
mircea_popescu: large country, they cvouldn't have fuxcked up all of it
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mats: that escalated quickly
mircea_popescu: this is exactly like that one time when the alzheimer dude or w/e his name is wouldn't work with me then partnered up with keiser and started an ever-lulzy kickstarter that got together fiddy bucks and they're neither goinmg to ever mention again, because hey, internet, it's how it works.
mircea_popescu: there's yer ever-vaunted "social mobility", mats. the nonsensical premise that people should be in charge of their own life and make their own decisions. pure poison for everyone.
copypaste: also regarding that ad, i assume the japanese just put up an ad network
copypaste: i think it's yahoo! ads but i'm not sure
copypaste: i certainly didn't get a list of ads to approve
copypaste: it's probably geotargetted as well, as it mentions australia
cazalla: prob cause i was looking up nat geo african titties earlier
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copypaste: 10000 yen / month for something or other
copypaste: but anyway mircea_popescu not sure why you're mad. We agreed to one month. The month ended, things went back to how they were before.
copypaste: I converted what I was given by you and paid $250 to them already.
copypaste: (That doesn't cover close to our bandwidth bills, we served 200TB last month, around $2K...)
copypaste: (So I assume that was absorbed, or written off, or they hope to make it back somehow [somehow indeed])
cazalla: damn copypaste, this shit is gonna be all over the media here
copypaste: They've got some real out there laws.
copypaste: Did you know they readily admit to forcing ISPs to capture all data that leaves the country
copypaste: Hell, even that which stays within the country
cazalla: but tbh, they've prob been doing it for much longer than they admit anyway
cazalla: data retention supposedly lasts 2 years but more likely forevar or until their hdds are full
copypaste: oh sure they do it. but they can't admit to it
copypaste: so they have to at least attempt parallel construction
cazalla: i half expect to see your face on tv and in newspapers here in the next few days
copypaste: i suppose i'll never be headed to australia then
cazalla: well if it's in the adelaide NOW, it'll likely run in the others
copypaste: the site where most of the sharing is happening is actually volafile.io
copypaste: i think they are attempting not to mention me and 8ch
copypaste: because they dont; want people to find it so easily.
cazalla: i don't see the big deal tbh, australian school girls have always been huge moles
cazalla: agriculture class provided my first clasp of the titty
cazalla: nah that UD is wrong, least for aussie mole
cazalla: ah i'm spelling it wrong..
cazalla: wikipedia it is.. "In Australia and New Zealand, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for a woman of loose sexual morals, a bitch, slut, or prostitute. The term can also be used for a girlfriend of a surfie or bikie."
cazalla: but sheilas can be molls or prudes
cazalla: not sure.. i read one about black dicks and some other weird shit, was a bit too far out there for me (sorta reminds me of the kid at school who never stfu about sex and knew far more than he should in all honesty)
cazalla: copypaste, i spoke too late, it's already on TV
cazalla: free publicity btw, they named your site on tv heh
copypaste: i suppose they don't care so much about the uh
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copypaste: that girl looks like she's never missed a meal, what's she got to be terrified of?
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 08:46:04; mircea_popescu: give it a little, all ohio girls be dancin' in shanghai
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assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 08:44:15; mats: chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines
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kakobrekla: ah the problem is on the fpga chip side.
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jurov: if only you could decide somwhow what s.nsa will be doing
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midnightmagic: metalicarap's coming. sooner or later, it'll arrive, and then it's just a matter of time to people being confident that from atomic structure on up, we can be sure that what we wanted is in fact what we have.
midnightmagic: it, or something like it, will provide metal fab. at-home metal fab allows complex specialty tooling. complex specialty tooling will, eventually, allow home-fab. it is inevitable, much like the mendel was.
punkman: the mendel was a big achievement?
midnightmagic: it's within human patience tolerance. x-rays are a natural side-effect of high-energy electron beams hitting metals. shielding is a major consideration in the design.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:08; punkman: why do they register these and let them show up on flightradar24?
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: It is not my design, and not my device.
midnightmagic: the primary target is home-printed solar panelling.
midnightmagic: gmax pointed me at one on ebay not so long ago.. it was pretty inexpensive, certainly less than I'd pay for a used car, at any rate.
midnightmagic: let's.. see.. hrm. According to the log about it, there was a device capable of a couple orders of magnitude better than 10-4 torr
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midnightmagic: metalicarap's stated goal is standard home power source, and rapatan seems to have done a lot of homework on at least feasibility
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midnightmagic: turbomolecular pumps on ebay seem to range from $1,000 to $3,500. I have no idea which ones would be suitable for the vacuum chamber in a mother m-rap
midnightmagic: I'm not doing any homework. I was just curious. People can get curious about things without actually sitting there for 12 months building prototypes.
midnightmagic: That's nice. I'm going to stop doing your homework for you, now.
punkman: midnightmagic: did you ever built a reprap by the way?
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assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 02:47:35; mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:40:07; midnightmagic: Patience.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 09:10:49; mircea_popescu: only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 09:29:31; mats: the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee
mats: will probably end up moving back to mainland
☟︎ mats: which will be a struggle
mats: second cousins, mostly
mats: i am not looking forward to the culture shock
jurov: so this bitcoin thing we're having here is completely useless even in such situation?
mats: yes the executions are a big plus
☟︎ mats: folks regularly catch bullet for theft of much less than 1mn
jurov: also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus
☟︎ jurov: that when i move there, will provide some basic information how to function
jurov: i don need no fucking employment
☟︎ jurov: you refuse to understand
jurov: people did relocate to shenzen and seem to be happy there without atomic dirigibles. how so?
kakobrekla: jurov, ascii is not a clean burning engine
jurov: not even chinese in shenzen eat rotting rice anymore
jurov: they surely are doing things that need hard vacuum in shenzen. maybe even more than in wash dc
jurov: and as for leisure, solitude, quiet, food.. you can find a fault with some of these things anywhere
mats: i sure hope they win their appeal
jurov: guess you got typical usuan disease. freaks out at the thought of staying outside of The Standard Environment
kakobrekla: jurov he is caught in local pain minimum
mats: that's weird, Uber isn't a ride sharing bidness
jurov: but insisting that there is even no quality chocolate? what do the chinese rich eat, flavored vegetable oil?
jurov: with honkgkong next door?
mats: chinese uber is getting raped in this way
mats: folks abusing promotional $30 ride credit
mats: ive never experienced your particular problem before
mats: have taken at least a hundred rides now
mats: slave labor beats car ownership
funkenstein_: didi kuadi and others kicking uber ass in beijing
funkenstein_: also i can look for 10^-4 torr vacuum providers
mircea_popescu: oh yeah, and while at it alf, compute the cost of raising ten children off three different women, also sight unseen.
jurov: alf now requires hard vacuum to live?
mircea_popescu: because if we're doing the entire "here's some random shit i came up with, do planning for it", might as well.
mircea_popescu: you know, naggum had a very unflattering piece re this approach, alf.
mircea_popescu: you're not liable to get anywhere by simply following your own mental narrative in circles.
mircea_popescu: did you or did you not say 10 sqkm opaque bubble, and is it or is it not 15yo cocklet-ism
jurov: mircea_popescu: it comes out that if you ever decide to relocate alf, will need to manage it and provide usg-level amenities
mircea_popescu: that's the exact problem in discussion here. you're freely mixing cartoons and footage, for a very lsd-looking example.
mircea_popescu: yes, the best dreams start with a twisted version of reality.
kakobrekla: jurov> alf now requires hard vacuum to live? < lmao
mircea_popescu: i wonder if aiming to be a spherical chicken makes one transfat ?
mircea_popescu: the notion that future you asks past you anything at all is very 16yo-ish female in kabul sort of thought. it's not how it works.
mircea_popescu: "oh in order to put up with what my mother puts up with i will want blabla"
mircea_popescu: nobody ever gave a shit. least of all the girly in discussion once she's 17.5
mircea_popescu: i remember some guy paying a lot of money for that sort of thing
funkenstein_: vpn is slow over there but works as you'd expect
kakobrekla: that girl dosnt get us or ru grade chocolate
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:34:30; asciilifeform: given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it's valuable, it's pretty sopping liquid alright
mircea_popescu: i just saw "love me or live me" last night. story of fucking america retold as being being built by a sucker labouring atop a dry cunt.
mats: somehow the 'we have a terrible business plan' has yet again transmogrified into the old 'omg the chinese are counterfeiting again' narrative
funkenstein_ is happy some of that time is spent teaching the kids in b-a
kakobrekla: well you can do 2% cleaning toilets and 98% whatever else
mircea_popescu: let jurov never say i don't have anything in this vein.
jurov 's not sying anything
midnightmagic: That moron should be wearing shoes, those rocks are sharp.
mircea_popescu: i know girly doing that number'd pretty much look hot regardless. but the straight me thinks it's rather disqualifying for a man.
mircea_popescu: something like that. prolly phrased by original author more in the vein of "i jus dun care!11"
mircea_popescu: drive fast die young leaving a wholly pierced foot sole.
jurov: not my type, i'm more for bears
midnightmagic: Notice the lack of foot arches. I thought that was a sign of a lack of exercise.
mircea_popescu: (and the original reason high heels were invented. if the girl's properly heeled, you can't tell)
mircea_popescu: nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: like some never grow out of the other infantile deformities.
mircea_popescu: "qntra.net is a rabid bitcoin maximalist blog, run by one of the permanent fixtures in the #bitcoin-asshats tribe.
mircea_popescu: These guys believe, without a trace of irony, that there will someday be no other currency than Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: i thought we were the only ones left that actually believe there is a place for scrip like usd & the rest of the fiats, doing roughly the job of movie tickets and coffee coupons
mircea_popescu: meanwhile reddit iirc was rabidly "bitcoin must have endless blocks to be the only currency".
shinohai: If yu want rabid inflation that having no hard limits on blocks causes, try doge.
mircea_popescu: no wait, that must be wrong. it was... oh... uh... iot was a DIFFERENT REDDIT!111
mircea_popescu: i didn't stomp all over their stupid faces those were different faces of different anon derps. this time it'll work!!!
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:17:59; asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
mircea_popescu: i am not for a moment arguing against the closed turdness approach ddram is wrapped in
mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:28:48; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165957 << this is you know, like saying that "printed matter powered education is nonsense, it costs more to write the infolios than an entire campus of ivy league's worth". or, for that matter, "it takes more work to program a sound card than it takes to think through all the problems humanity has thought through so far".
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:42:52; asciilifeform: midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us
mircea_popescu: yes, that so far is right. the thing it fails to account for is that roads create traffic, not the other way around. it's not need that creates advance, as the idiots writing schoolbooks claim. the other way around.
mircea_popescu: and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now we understand that retrospectively, the chord in phones is not a requirement but an anachronism, and we expect everything be available as wired or wireless at our option. but the wired/wireless dichotomy was not even meaningful to bell, or marconi.
mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
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kakobrekla: 400k active users is everyone who ever visited their webpage + theri dog + webrobots
mats: note that this has been unpatched for ~6mos
ascii_field: i will remind readers that reversing fpga is not impossible, and has been done. but takes ~20 years and chip is usually unobtainable after 5-10 (sooner if vendor learns that you're doing this)
ascii_field: aaaand it is done by tearing apart the (x86) toolchain, rather than the chip
ascii_field: the entire thing, note, is built specifically around making this activity as unpleasant and expensive as possible.
ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:52:09; mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:44; mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
shinohai: Thank you menahem, I bookmarked. My world is not complete without a mircea popescu cult t-shirt.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:50; mircea_popescu: so, im sure he has it. patience.
ascii_field: not in any way that leaves any public evidence of itself whatsoever, at any rate!
ascii_field: (morons pulling their cocks in 'nanotech'-flavoured ways does NOT count as work)
ascii_field: it isn't happening or so much as credibly threatening to happen
menahem: bahaha shinohai - it was a must. :D
ascii_field: and the folks who have notions that it is, demonstrate a total black-as-night unmarred by any light ignorance of the physical basics involved
shinohai: I want to take a picture of myself wearing it and post it to reddit to see how many downvotes I get :D
menahem: hahaha, imagine a team of us.
mats: you're embarrassing
ascii_field: (homogeneous - per 'specificity of diddling' theorem)
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:01:16; mircea_popescu: and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 17:32:11; ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)
ascii_field: funkenstein_: the way it works is that there is literally no way to build a 'bitstream' (as the configs are called) for a chip without using vendor's turd toolchain
funkenstein_: which requires, logging into server or something?
ascii_field: and if you want, e.g., a 100BaseT nic, or sdram controller, it has to be laid out mainly by hand using floor plan of the particular chip and explicit coordinates. which vendor can do, and you (user) cannot.
funkenstein_: that is fucked btw.. why can't they charge for the hardware?
ascii_field: funkenstein_: they -also- charge $maxint for the hardware
funkenstein_: so properly cracked turds will get you out of the extra charges for.. using the hardware you paid for?
ascii_field: (and only a paid-up, to the tune of 100K+ usd, or well-cracked, xilinx toolchain, will even talk to the $200-300 ones)
ascii_field: funkenstein_: the extra charges, but not the retardation
ascii_field: (of having to use the gui, every time you get a slightly variant chip, and of never coming remotely close to understanding wtf is in the black box)
ascii_field: considering that to me, the ~whole fucking point~ of fpga is to get a computer which ~i and only i~ define
funkenstein_: wow, no wonder the era of fpga mining didn't last long
ascii_field: (they are fpga with hardcoded metallization layer)
ascii_field: kakobrekla: at the very least, every single one of the ~publicly sold~ chips, afaik, fits this description as per the published specs.
kakobrekla: yeah just that the era of fpgas he meant was over purely because of economics
funkenstein_: "In your labyrinthine journey, [..] in the world of iron, learn to catch the thought behind the machine or it will swallow you."
ascii_field: kakobrekla: 'hard copy fpga' has fixed metal, rather than sram LUTs for routing matrix. so slightly faster (and significantly cheaper to manufacture) than ordinary fpga
ascii_field: but it is still not a true asic, because the pieces are not movable
ascii_field: which is to say, they are all over the place and connected by the equivalent of very long wires
ascii_field: and you don't have the ones you might like, but solely the ones the chip came with from xilinx etc
ascii_field: funkenstein_: they are out, but belong to usg & its antipodal counterparts
ascii_field: funkenstein_: mircea_popescu and the little birds who whisper in his ear say 'yes'
ascii_field: the only fact ~i~ know is that the network hash sum does not even begin to be accounted for by even the most liberal estimate of miner machines publicly sold to date
ascii_field: but this is known to ~everyone~, even homo redditicus
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:40:28; mircea_popescu: nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it
punkman: "In addition to calling for resignations, Lieu asked OPM to show some remorse. “One word I haven’t heard is sorry,” Lieu said. “When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?”"
ascii_field: “When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?”" << 'when the crayfish whistles on the mountain, and the fish in the sea begin to sing' (tm) (r) (ru)
punkman: "Rather than immediately encrypt data, OPM plans to reduce the number of computer users with access to systems and require multistep login verifications, she said. OPM's fiscal 2016 request for congressional funding asks for an additional $21 million"
punkman: they are gonna get paid of course
punkman: "The day after the breach was made public, OPM finalized a more than $20 million deal with Winvale Group to start notifying individuals "within 48 hours of award.""
ascii_field: ^ and this is just the ~publicly disclosed~ income
ascii_field l0lz re: herr clapper owning facebook stock
ascii_field: i don't think they have bitcoin on his planet yet, though
mircea_popescu: tho... didn't he just beg a few k's recently to buy himself a new mayo dildo or something ?
mircea_popescu: iirc baseline is a dollar a day, so... there's his lifetime income
ascii_field: i don't think they've invented begging yet
ascii_field: btw as a long-time reader of herr orlov, i can't help but notice that he spat on diesels and bragged about a seldom-used ('only in doldrumss') outboard petrol engine
ascii_field: but then he birthed a son, and bought a boat 2x the size
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall this, like i vaguely recall his being the sort that's "correct in the broad strokes but entirely out of small change" as the expression goes.
ascii_field: (and perhaps doesn't quite have the stamina to single-handedly operate the sails any more ?)
mircea_popescu: god help you if you start factchecking anything he says. very yarvinesque habit this
ascii_field: he wrote a whole piece about how he threw the decrepit diesel out of the original boat's bilge to make a storage room
ascii_field: for those who are ~not~ readers of mr o - his 'post-collapse future business' schtick is based on 'fossil-fuel-free freight along u.s. coasts using sailboats'
ascii_field: apparently now is not yet the time to practice this ?
ascii_field: or what, he likes the smell of diesel smoke ?
funkenstein_: "But this is the new lay of the land; we can't change it, and we can't ignore it."
mats: har, acquaintances are receiving emails about their OPM file being compromised
ascii_field: (how do you propose to authenticate the 'leaks' ?)
ascii_field: 'we ALWAYS knew he was obama's gay playmate!!11'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 18:24:08; mircea_popescu: earht average.
ascii_field: e.g., kin, street smarts learned from boyhood, etc.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field seinfeld has an episode about this fundamentally female method of authentication ("i always wanted for him to drag me by the hair in this alley and stretch my anus"). elaine explains that "Cause if we're dating, what everyone saw was just a beautiful moment between two lovers"
mircea_popescu: and you don't "compute the dollar equivalent value" of non-dollar things, because you're not trying to recreate the bezzle.
ascii_field: but you ~also~ don't say 'beggar is living on $1/day'
ascii_field: he is living on $1 of rice + $xxxx of other-things-which-aren't-available-to-me-if-i-get-parachuted-into-calcutta
ascii_field: on how many dollars a day does pufferfish live in the sea ?
ascii_field: he cannot funciton in my element. or i - in his. like the fish.
funkenstein_: the calcutttan has no option to go to supermarket dumpster
mircea_popescu: the notion that you are anything different from the calcutta beggar may be contemplatef IF and ONLY IF you never have to wonder what'd you do in calcutta.
ascii_field: ever contemplate what you'll do 1km below the sea?
mircea_popescu: never have to wonder either because you know or it can't happen, but never have to wonder.
ascii_field: aha, drown like gentleman ! (Tm) (R) (brit empire)
ascii_field: i imagine i'd bubble a bit in calcutta as well, before going under.
ascii_field: but i don't imagine that i'll learn to breathe water and become kind of the ocean in a few weeks. and if mircea_popescu can do this, we should all learn from him.
assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 20:47:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu could convince an eskimo that he is an eskimo ?
ascii_field: lulz. 'bitcoin opec.' where is bitcoin nato? is it invading ru yet ?
mircea_popescu: can these gawker-clones be any more fucking retarded already ?>
mircea_popescu: by now they're reporting nonsense out of a whjolly imagined pseudoreality
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and they were not, 2+ yrs ago ?
ascii_field: it was ~always~ a pseudoreality, from at least william randolph hearst and up
ascii_field: just that they previously had more luck with gluing pseudoreality-display helmets on people's heads
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of difference between the mild idiocy of hearst and the down syndrome of "ft alphaville" etc
mircea_popescu: about the same as between the calcutta beggar and the pufferfish
ascii_field: more like the diff b/w/ mild eccentricity and full blown schizo
ascii_field: 'The bitcoin miners of China agree that the blocksize must be increased' << l0l wat? said who ?
mircea_popescu: in other news a display campaign for eulora started today, if any people called Eulorian show up treat 'em mildly. and if no such show up, well... it just goes to show the value of advertising.
ascii_field: incidentally, who even has a crashless validating node with 1mb blocks
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "the bitcoin miners of china" say that they never saw software that doesn't crash
ascii_field: who is ready for the next cut of the scalpel ?
mircea_popescu: how do you know it's software if you don't reboot it ?
ascii_field: how do you know washing machine is plugged in if you don't get shocks from touching the chassis ?
ascii_field: sometimes i wonder if folks in cn are ~actually~ batshit (mega-mines on winblows, etc) or just convincingly faking it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you had more experience chasing gaw/bfl/assorted mining scams
mircea_popescu: you'd be in a better position to grasp the depth of this chasm of a dilemma
mircea_popescu: anyway, the validity of the stamps would be trivial to verify, if of course anyone still gave a shit about the nonsense scampress publishes.
mircea_popescu: but 500 failures in... hey, wasn't ethereum all over everything ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: unlike apparently everyone on the retard side, i actually have some business experience
ascii_field: even a schmuck like me has a fat manila full of these stamps.
mircea_popescu sits here and wonders if neobee, king of cypruss, agrees for cypruss to join the increase movement.
ascii_field: and did i just land in my grandfather's office in 1985 , fell through time warp? how did we come to wonder about authenticity of fucking soviet rubber stamps ?!
mircea_popescu: iirc according to financial times, they took over cyprus right ?
funkenstein_: looks to me like they are saying they won't take anything bigger than 8MB, because their tubes are too small
mircea_popescu: i remember a day, not so many years ago, when people actually went on trips to check out claims of "hey i goit some images in photoshop" miners. how much things have changed in these few short years...
mircea_popescu: from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous. "oh, we will get a bitcoin license to keep our hobby alive!11"
mircea_popescu: the world does not belong to people "doing it ironically"
mircea_popescu: who ever heard of this, change the rules of the sport so people following at home can be more comfortable.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:58:39; asciilifeform: and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power
ascii_field: ^ said mircea_popescu as he sizzled in his very own private 3-phase electric chair
ascii_field: (point of that observation was, 3-phase mains and climate-controlled floor sq. metrage do not become cheaper no matter how 'surplussy' the equipment gets)
ascii_field: 'speaks volumes for the actual “democracy” in the system. (Namely, there isn’t any. China — the Saudi Arabia of bitcoin — dominates.' <<< l0l!!! this of course is same party line as in mike hearn's blatherings about 'let's separate the economy majority of bitcoin from the whims of the hashing majority'
ascii_field: 'we usg gnomes are to have control, because fuck you and ~democracy~ and also fuck you'
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 19:10:50; mircea_popescu: from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."
ascii_field: 'please don't upset him, you know what happens'
ascii_field: what, precisely, would be the mechanism for encrypting airplane callsigns ?
ascii_field: sent to public key with private modulus kept in every airport?
ascii_field: why shouldn't ru air defense battery open up with all barrels on a 'mystery meat' airplane which won't identify owner ?
danielpbarron: menahem, your paypal doesn't work and your bitcoin wants me to send to an invalid address
menahem: not sure why I got the error, lemme double check quick. my apologies.
danielpbarron: it redirected me to sandbox.paypal.com which tells me that my password is incorrect
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menahem: ok ty. i'll be back shortly.
danielpbarron: and by "invalid address" i mean that i'm not about to do business with someone who insists I acknowledge "multi sig" is a thing
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it reads to me like a very plain "let's try and hijack b-a by pretending a bigger ba exists somewhere exotic and we are the only ones able to translate its red star stamps"
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'll allow the shitmedia to set the discussion agenda the morning after i let gavin impregnate my wife.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, who wouldn't want retarded children looking like him.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: BIP-100 looks like it will create Garzik coin.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:47; asciilifeform: (does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?)
funkenstein_ has heard tell of a time when people wrote RFCs
thestringpuller: I like how they publicized BIP-100 with "This won't require a hardfork" while the PDF clearly states "Oh yea guise we need to remove the cap completely to make this change."
ascii_field now wonders what mircea_popescu gets from cn by the tanker-load
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 19:04:54; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field vacuums not my forte, but is the following ever done : have a solid cylinder separated into two closed rooms by piston. fill one room with chemical compounds in liquid pahse which react, so the resultant volume is lower.
mircea_popescu: theoretically should vacuum the other room to soem degree
ascii_field: react endothermically, and forming a solid ?
ascii_field: this is done in the craft of making vacuum tubes. (recall the shiny metal in the top of the tube?)
ascii_field: important not only for residual gas in the tube after pumping, but also because the electrodes sputter
ascii_field: (vapour pressure in the tube ~will~ go up with time unless the gas has somewhere to get stuck in)
mircea_popescu: no such thing as infinitely bound material yet discovered
jurov: iirc graphene is impervious even to helium
mircea_popescu: (for fun and games the trainee qm folk in attendance are invited to set up either the matrix or the waveform so that probability of solid losing atoms into gas at border is zero, see what happens)
ascii_field: the one in which the glass vessels themselves dissolved a little.
mircea_popescu: i recall family friend being very insulted by my dad laughing his ass off
ascii_field: in other news, i dreamed last night that ft meade had been turned into a kind of city-state, and i came through it for some peculiar reason. it very crowded and full of rough-looking folks, like d.c. subway. went into a pub, full of demented old beggars, and pulled out a wad of 'nsa money' - shit-brown 'hundies' with portraits of some senator on them. in return got glass of water.
ascii_field: there was some utterly deranged bloke yelling 'buy me a bed!!!'
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the hunag fellow is exactly the right example. i even hinted at him but never mentionmed the name when discussiong o'brian idiocy in 1984 and how the rebellion properly works.
mircea_popescu: always a pleasure to see people able to refer to the right source material.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:39:34; mats: will probably end up moving back to mainland
ascii_field: '(875 – 884 AD) when Huang Ch’ao, a powerful young heir to a family fortune, was unable to pass the rigorous exams needed to become a licentiate. He responded by selling salt on the black market and using the funds to organise a secret society with which he incited rebellions that massacred nobles and officials and nearly, thought not quite, brought down the ruling entire dynasty.' << this has been my secret crackp
ascii_field: i specifically wish to drive the bulldozer personally
mircea_popescu: ascii_field is emerging like quite the tragic, byronian hero. on one hand, wishes to drive the dozer, on the other hand, wishes to have a place for noli tangere.
ascii_field: speaking of vacuum 'diffusion pumps' - apparently there are firms selling them, from old uni chem kits, as 'bongs' to smoke weed from
thestringpuller: "It’s like an economy where the investment is coming from some external country where Silicon Valley becomes like the Bitcoin equivalent of People’s Bank of China." << because Nefario ruined it for everyone
menahem: danielpbarron PayPal is up - had it in test mode. My bad.
ascii_field: it was the diffusion pump (esp. langmuir's improved one) which allowed the whole vacuum tube thing to happen in the first place.
assbot: Draft signed by F2Pool, Antpool, BW, BTCChina, Huobi committing them to a 8MB increase. : Bitcoin ... (
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shinohai: will do. I have tons of reading to catch up on this evening.
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cazalla: shinohai, lol that image reminds me of another which someone on bitcointalk claimed to be a police report regarding asicminer thefts.. turned out to be a birth certificate or something
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TheNewDeal: how bad of any idea is it to short btc/ltc over a short term period
ben_vulpes: aha is midnightmagic derping on about things beyond his ken today?
ascii_field: worst of all, he gave me an intractable urge to blow glass
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00044529 = 5.2544 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: maybe procedures in experimental physics did it
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset. << not so valuable if illiquid
ben_vulpes: can't read whole log without responding
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:40:42; mats: mainland china
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i would like to nominate above patch (and its dependency, dns-seed-remover) for mainline
shinohai: I haven't applied those patches yet :/
ascii_field: shinohai: the linked patch is 5 minutes old
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:47:41; jurov: also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus
ben_vulpes: i'm still working to get the damn thing to build on ubuntu
shinohai: @ ben_vulpes it built fine for me on 14.4
ben_vulpes: most recently, boost failed to install because its html document rendering facility was b0rked in ubuntu somewhere and the whole thing fell over
mircea_popescu: "my car crashed because there was a flyer in a window painted in green letters"
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:57:39; asciilifeform: can i get real (read: ru or identical) chocolate there? at what cost/gram ?
ascii_field: and yes, i know that mircea_popescu can get ru chocolate delivered via biplane right to his dirigible in antarctica.
mircea_popescu: all those dongs were bought at indian candy's chocolateria
ascii_field: said the fella living in can't-order-anything-online-land
mircea_popescu: tbh i never ordered anything online in romania, either.
ascii_field: i barely ever get anything in any other way
ascii_field: (because wtf, leaving house, and paying tax?!?!)
shinohai: If Amazon delivered groceries in my area, I might never leave home.
cazalla: shinohai, the two main supermarket chains in australia do this.. and it's how they get rid of the rest of their shitty produce
ascii_field: i'd get toilet paper, etc. on 'amazon' if it weren't for the fact that everything you buy affects your 'recommendations'
ascii_field: and i don't want to see ads for shitpaper in my mailbox
shinohai: I like farmers markets though. Fresh organic veggies if possible.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field myeah, uber does seem like the usgs last gasp effort to "socialism" the cabbuie business
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which i would loathe, as i routinely reject living anywhere with shitty cabs
jurov: have amazon buttons?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: know that 'uber' etc. is an attempt to 'proletarianize' cabs. as they normally are so costly here that they are beyond the regular use of all but the richest
ascii_field: (e.g., an hour's ride might cost a whole benjie)
mircea_popescu: germany is ridoinculous with their 5 euro a km bs, but then again germany is usually walkable.
mircea_popescu: how much would they have to pay ME to spend an hour in a cab with any regularity ?
jurov: i don't remember using taxi from/to airport
ascii_field: it would cost me ~$80 to get home in a cab right now.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: so much traffic 'can eat with arse'
mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6: how are those test rigs doing ? < << If you mean the bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patch(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke + TX Orphanage Amputation }, they were performed on AWS deb6 instance and have since been shutdown after full sync & performance tests completed. Main reason being to dig into compiling v0.5.3.1 + gentoo sanity patches with uclibc on Gentoo on AWS Gentoo instance. I try to only run one instance at a time to keep mo
ascii_field: kakobrekla: ~70/day assuming i go nowhere else (buying food, detours around jams, etc)
shinohai: mod6 my nide is still humming fine
mod6: I could start it back up again and do something else if you like. But have finally gotten a guide created for Gentoo on Physical hardware. It needs 2 general tweaks (to be put in tonight) before I hand over to hanbot for testing.
shinohai: I hate touchscreen keyboards. I really do.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: damn. 20 mph average speed?!? i would have to pop anxiety pills.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: the sad is in having to leave home at all. everything else is just little cherries on top of the sadcake
mats: We were told in an interview that OPM's Network Management Group (NMG) performs monthly vulnerability scans using automated scanning tools. The OIG is unable to independently verify that OPM has a mature vulnerability scanning program. However, we have been unable to obtain tangible evidence that vulnerability scans have been routinely conducted for all
mats: OPM servers in FY 2014… NMG has documented accepted weaknesses for OPM user workstations; however, it has not fully documented weaknesses for servers or databases (i.e., vulnerability scan findings that are justified by a business need). This recommendation remains open from FY 2011 and is rolled forward in FY 2014.
mod6: So once the Guides are handed over to hanbot, I'll refocus my attention to patching gcc 4.8.4 on Gentoo to see if we can get around that bug that we were discussing the other day.
mod6: lemme find the logs..
mod6: well, nevermind that. this one:
mod6: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6 my nide is still humming fine << cool. is that the ubuntu one?
shinohai: Nah the Debian one, I built Ubuntu on a friends server
shinohai: The Deb one stays up all the time, I just leave it running since I need a daemon anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00043298 = 19.8305 BTC [-]
ascii_field: picture little gavins squealing on a chopping block.
ascii_field: i'm half-certain that last one actually removes a vuln
ascii_field: this is part of a sequence of patches which depend on one another
ascii_field: (dns seed remover, hard seed remover, and now showmyip,com-remover)
ascii_field: next one will nuke all dns lookups entirely
mod6: yup, i see that. thanks for linking them in the patch emails.
ascii_field: these are given in separate patches for ease of review
mod6: makes sense. thanks.
mod6: yeah, that stuff is 100% cruft.
ascii_field: i.e. everything inside a patch file must pertain only to what was 'printed on the box', and vice-versa.
mod6: np. so, i'm gonna keep focus on this Gentoo GCC patching stuff for the time being. But meanwhile I do that on my POS box (Now running Gentoo AMD64 hardened w/uclibc), I can shutdown the Gentoo aws instance and fire-up a deb6 test with these new patches before the end of the month I'm sure.
ascii_field: mod6: might wanna wait for the final nail in the dns coffin
mod6: That's fine. Take your time. It won't take long to get that going anyway.
shinohai: 17:59 +ascii_fieldpicture little gavins squealing on a chopping block. <<< This
mats: 'Obama admitted that nine months into the U.S.-led coalition's campaign against the IS, there is not a complete strategy to combat the group. "We don't yet have a complete strategy," Obama said at the end of a G-7 summit in Germany'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20205 @ 0.00042666 = 8.6207 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line
ascii_field: this will be a substantial change in default behaviour, because the thing ~will~ have to be given irc server params on command line, and/or seed ips, or ~will not run~
ascii_field: i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd
ascii_field: but if anyone can make a good case for its removal (remember that presently it is also the source of node knowing own external ipv4 !!!) please say.
mats: mighta had a chance if privately owned by black disabled lesbian
mats: o, can't forget veteran
ascii_field: 'Following a drawn-out and contentious bidding war, Colt lost its contract to provide the Pentagon with M4 rifles in 2013. The $77 million contract went instead to a Belgian company, F.N. Herstal.'
ascii_field: i imagine they will have to ask for new bids.
mod6: <+ascii_field> to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line << not that this has to be the case now, but perhaps this could be done in the config file too.
mats: not the first time Colt has lost a contract to F.N. Herstal
mod6: <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow.
mod6: <+ascii_field> but ~somewhere~ << yup, gotcha. just putting in my 0.00000002
mats: also not the first time they've filed for bankruptcy
mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/configfile arg to specify external ip for
☟︎ mod6: <+kakobrekla> would a dedi ba seed be welcome << yeah, i think that's the idea eventually.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 23:09:27; kakobrekla: would a dedi ba seed be welcome?
ascii_field: and it makes no sense to even try before the leak-stoppage patches are ratified
ascii_field: (i don't want ~anything~ to do with a leaking node)
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 23:10:19; mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/confi
ascii_field: (assuming all three patches discussed today were to be ratified)
ascii_field: and i say 'hey hey, ho ho,' dns 'has got to go!'
shinohai: I'm down for the irc mechanism, i really like it but not as it is now
shinohai: Earlier you mentioned the ability to specify peers, etc and use raw irc commands correct?
ascii_field: shinohai: just the ability to specify what it connects to
ascii_field: btw it is also valuable because presently irc is a very handy means of finding pre-gavinization seeds
ascii_field: i expect this will change, suddenly and possibly undetectably, once they start fucking with it
ascii_field: (i.e. connecting gavinized nodes masquerading under old version strings)
shinohai: I failed to see that before BingoBoingo pointed out the obvious benefits of finding pre-gavinized nodes with it.
ascii_field: thing is, anyone can set version string to whateverthefuck they like
shinohai: ascii_field: are you limited as to what data you can put in the version string?
mod6: <+ascii_field> << you can ~already~ specify seeds on cmdline and config! all that remains is the removal of the built-in seeder crap << sure, you can do addnode or whatnot to connect to other nodes. but isn't the dyndns thing to tell others what your nodes ip address is? maybe i misunderstand ...
shinohai: I mean, their must be some way to identify trusted clients
ascii_field: shinohai: trusted == folks you know personally
ascii_field: and even this, only after we get it carried over gossipd
ascii_field: at present, there is no way to authenticate a node
mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6: it was a fallback if irc fails << oh or if -noirc is used or something?
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 17:21:23; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122612 << it's actually a fine entry point to explain to anyone why exactly tcp/ip is so broken. because this IS NOT a trivial task. the price for ipv4 and it's undocumented, buggy, slow and haphazardously ad-hoc nat-routing model is that you can't find out by inspecting yourself. the half-assed, quarter-baked lazy slothful and aol-windowesque implement
pete_dushenski: btw, wd on the logs today, gents. solid reading material.
pete_dushenski: "First two (DVD, CD) are used and play fine, 2nd two are sealed new (all DVDs). for each before shipping, and a $60 donation for each will be made to this pro-civil rights coalition that Zooey Deschanel, Nancy Sinatra, Michael Moore, and Joel McHale all oppose." << y'know, this could only work on tardstalk