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mircea_popescu: erryone lemme know if you like / want more icecream a la mode.
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assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:29:24; mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
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adlai: i'd like to test scalpl on larger amounts of btc than i have at my personal disposal.
mod6: perhaps what i can do here, is take the copy of the blockchain that i tried to sync day-before yesterday (copied @ ~160000 blocks) and use gdb to try to see what's going on with that that block
mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001
☟︎ mod6: not sure exactly what to be looking for... but turning over a few 'stones' might find something.
kakobrekla: adlai curious, whats the min youd take?
adlai: depends what's at hand
adlai: because anything else is roughly equivalent to changetip
adlai: sure, this is possible to implement. that doesn't mean the answers are relevant.
decimation: I wouldn't mind trying to run a trade bot but it would involve much tax paperwork in the us
adlai: decimation: i'm not a lawyer, but i gather from conversations with them that it's a matter of *precisely* documenting the net p/l and paying tax on that
kakobrekla: isnt it 'not thief, caught' in murica ?
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 04:33:41; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.')
decimation: adlai: yes, one would have to document each lot traded
kakobrekla: <adlai> depends what's at hand < anyway not helping, ofc you will take whats at hand. if not there, not even the army can take.
adlai is placing offers in the book, not market orders
kakobrekla: i forgot, do you use buttstamp too? if so i have sort of an exploit for their so called trading engine
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? << so he can make a buck ?
☟︎ decimation: re: meritwashing < I think the way this plays out in actual us business is that you are friends with someone who controls bezzlars
adlai: 03:19:17 | [adlai away: zzz]
adlai: 03:19:26 +mircea_popescu | adlai ok so what did you have in mind ?
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assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:19:40; mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
mircea_popescu: well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ?
☟︎ adlai: technically speaking, wouldn't this be simplest accomplished by having you provide me with api keys to an account on, say, btce, and us both publishing a readonly key to that account?
adlai: (this would also be more profitable than other exchanges...)
adlai: this necessitates trusting them, even if indirectly
assbot: Jill Kelley e-mails depict a striving Tampa socialite and a smitten military brass - The Washington Post ... (
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decimation: "Nor has anyone fully explained why Allen, while busy overseeing the war in Afghanistan, exchanged a blizzard of correspondence with Kelley — between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails, according to some senior defense officials. Other officials have said that figure includes many duplicate notes and exaggerates the extent of their communications, adding that there were only about 300 total e-mails."
decimation: why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick?
adlai does some arithmetic
decimation: then I heard this podcast:
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that everybody just loved the job. And
☟︎☟︎ decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
☟︎☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: why do you need jtag? to blow the fuses?
decimation: is that a flash card? can you boot off that?
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decimation: the little sim-card connector thingy on the left
mircea_popescu: <decimation> why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick? << i wrote like a billion lines in here. why not ?
decimation: one would have to write software to craft the correct binary turd
decimation: mircea_popescu: her emails are not particularly intellectually stimulating either
decimation: asciilifeform: you earlier mentioned using a 'bus pirate' for spi connections
decimation: do you know the max data rate one can continuously suck off the spi?
decimation: I wouldn't mind having a device that interfaces to arbitrary serial ports at reasonable rates
decimation: ah interesting, one can reprogram the fpga?
decimation: yeah you would just need a little reprogramming to change the serial output/input state machines
decimation: also, today I was thinking about your rsa-signed-udp-packets thingy
decimation: it struck me that you could probably use one of those edgerouter lites to make a cheap version
decimation: 'check all incoming udp packets for signature'
decimation: you would want enough of a protocol to identify 'possible traffic'
hanbot: thestringpuller sick, but souping out nicely
decimation: yeah but you would want a block cipher that could tolerate lost packets
decimation: yeah but in exchange you can use a full-broadcast model
decimation: well, if ip multicast were functional that would be ideal
decimation: assuming the programmer properly cleared the old keys
decimation: asciilifeform: what about the dream of a persistent global namespace?
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decimation: it doesn't. but individually signed packets do.
decimation: I suppose mircea has already described why a 'global namespace' is a poor fit for chat
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coderwill: i was reading about qntra, btw, that sounds really cool - i like the idea behind it. definitely would love to submit some material, it's going to take me a while to read 6 months of the logs though. :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if that scrawny harpy is what a fat paycheck buys in the us
coderwill: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link, must not be any jobs since it 404'd, hehe
mircea_popescu: once we're in the camp, i wish to be in the room with alf.
coderwill: also, sorry, didn't mean to just come across like i was looking for work (although this page looks great, thanks). also was just asking for conversational purposes if any new stuff is happening.
mircea_popescu: for clearly it will not be the real camp, but merely a spare one.
mircea_popescu: coderwill but more productive for that purpose to read teh logs.
Vexual: GAMMPool spec are a little thin, what do you actually wanna do?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller like 500-1k points on a 700k field neh.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking too much is fine, for as long as it's mere spinning, and never productive.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp << Actually used imagemagick 20 minutes ago assembling a document package for qntra post in progress
mircea_popescu: god help the man that a) thinks ; b) gets a result and c) expects the system to CHANGE to accomodate HIS result.
mircea_popescu: the system changes for no man and even less than that for mere thoughts.
thestringpuller: the graph is interactive via js, dumping to img will take that interactivity away. but if that's "best" yea you could run it and dump out raw svg elements that aren't interactive.
decimation: mircea_popescu: people who think (the phrase in the us is 'change the system from the inside') are generally beaten down and otherwised smashed by the system
thestringpuller: i guess for "noscript users" it can precompile to SVG's and they can just stare at it and imagine it being interactive
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:13; decimation: "(I actually have great sympathy for the professional. In a bureaucratic oligarchy like ours, the professional both rules and is ruled. At the top, there is no one on top of him. Yet he cannot change his mind. He would simply be replaced. There are always younger, more eager professionals. Sovereignty is conserved; it is always humans who rule; and yet, it seems that no one rules. Who gets to put
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:15; decimation: stand there, and look like a captain. Chicks dig it. And yes, sir, it sure does pay.)"
decimation: apparently while you are on a hopeless mission in the desert you can email that 'socialite'
mircea_popescu: and the unmitigated impudence of these "journalist" shitheads ...
mircea_popescu: tell you what, the fact that he can't round up gawker, atlantic, wp and anyone else who ever wrote his name in print and shoot the lot
mircea_popescu: is enough reason to make his profession -ev for a man of ability and intellect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that old men are not inclined to fuck and the notion that poor people are content with poverty are both nonsense of the first degree.
mircea_popescu: it's not like she's some sort of anais nin, this woman.
mircea_popescu: (and by the way : kardashian ? WAY better model for any 16 yo girl than this levy sandsack)
mircea_popescu: no dude. send your aide de camp to drag a naked victim behind his horse all the way to your gate and nail them there.
mircea_popescu: not bs cockless "oh, maybe they spiked his car, maybe they cut his glass stool and he spilled wine on his good tie'
decimation: even he gave up that prerogative in exchange for friendship with usg, that turned out to not serve him very well
mircea_popescu: i'll be sure to tweet criticisms of her accessories as she does it.
decimation: re: muppet pyramid: actually gen. stanley mccrystal (whom michael hastings interviewed) pretty much 'gave up' because of the muppet pyramid above
mircea_popescu: yeah well... it's always wise to give up on libertardism when one is 20
mircea_popescu: rather than 50, with 30 years worthless except for that camp's whims.
decimation: hey he went to afghanistan and annoyed some pederasts
mircea_popescu: completely unrelated, "Poe's outlook is at best a wild romanticism and at worst is not far from being insane in the literal clinical sense. Why is it, then that stories like The Black Cat, The Tell-tale Heart, The Fall of the House of Usher and so forth, which might very nearly have been written by a lunatic, do not convey a feeling of falsity?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how much must your enemy pay you for you to love him ?
decimation: asciilifeform: more than likely they were promoted because they looked especially good with their hand on the captain's wheel
coderwill: do you all things will be more or less the same they are now, geopolitically in the next 5 years, or do you all think they will change drastically?
coderwill: asciilifeform: i stopped reading the news because it is so negative
mircea_popescu: he hibernates five years at a time and would like to know if to drink some coffee.
coderwill: i used to worry a lot about what was going to happen in the world, but the things that are happening make no sense
mircea_popescu: coderwill as chance would have it, im reading a bit of orwell discussing exactly the same.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: interesting - i'm not sure if it will be similar to orwell, but i just bought a book this afternoon called "the third policeman"
mircea_popescu: "While I have been writing this essay another European war has broken out. It will either last several years and tear Western civilization to pieces, or it will end inconclusively and prepare the way for yet another war which will do the job once and for all."
mircea_popescu: pretty excellent seeing how it's ww2 he's talking about.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: it's really interesting that his sentiment was that it is either going to be this one or the next one that does us all in
lobbes: mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it. << would you not agree that it is already dead? A decomposing body still sticks around for some time. Where is the line of 'no longer left'?
mircea_popescu: lobbes well i can agree wiht that, but apparently he doesn't, so when talking to him i'll pretend like perhaps it hasn't.
decimation:
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "The parts he likes makes sense and the others are crazy; what do you do? Here's the problem with public officials--because that's really his audience--deciding to ignore the Constitution. If you are the President, if you are a member of Congress, if you are a TSA agent, the only reason why somebody should listen to what you say instead of horse-whipping you out of town
decimation: for your impertinence is because you exercise power via the Constitution. If the Constitution doesn't count, you don't have any legitimate power. You are a thief, a brigand, an officiant busybody, somebody who should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for trying to exercise power you don't possess. So, if you are going to--if we are going to start ignoring the Constitution, I'm fine with that; the first part I'm
decimation: going to start ignoring is I have to do whatever they say."
mircea_popescu: decimation quite exactly the trunk that my earlier "half a milion people shoot half a million cops".
decimation: well that crazy guy in pennsylvania tried that, didn't get very far
coderwill: A few years ago I read a white paper about this thing called the Olduvai Theory.
coderwill: Essentially, it states that due to population growth and the rate of consumption, and that at some point in the future it will be mathematically implausible for the world to meet the consumption demand.
mircea_popescu: people seem manifestly capable of living without food.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: yes, but collectively it ends in geopolitical turmoil, it seems
PeterL: coderwill: that assumes constant population growth
mircea_popescu: and b) wtf 2bn. i don't want to consider a 2bn end scenario. what's wrong with 10 million ?
mircea_popescu: i've not even met one million people yet i'd ever wish to meet again, wtf billions.
coderwill: well, hopefully no one will get hurt anywhere, it's awful the state of the world
coderwill: not many people trying to help one another, more so many serving their own interests despite one another
coderwill: hence why i stopped reading the news
coderwill: the mass media pushes a divisive agenda, whatever causes the most polarization makes the most profit
mircea_popescu: and to such a degree they kill their children with their own hands, at that.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 01:02:05; mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
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lobbes: coderwill: there will always be turmoil. The best thing you can do is look out for your own interests.
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2014 22:56:06; asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He’d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) “How many bugs are we going to tolerate?” he demanded. “Seven,” Teitelman shot back.'
lobbes: asciilifeform: can we apply that to wasps, for that matter?
PeterL: I have a couple of ebooks with typos like that
PeterL: EG game of thrones, I still don't know if the character's name is Jojen or joien, since it shows up with about equal amounts of each spelling?
PeterL: I thought it was great
PeterL: it seems like something you would like?
PeterL: in the way of people do what they want and rape each other and kill anybody in their way, etc
Vexual: 'hoes and money and violence an polotx
Vexual: i guess it's gonna try explain the battle for control of nassau
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, cooperation is common in nature. Even without submission/domination. Examples include Geese taking turns leading migrations, alarm signals (sometimes seen as altruistic), herd/school protection.
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2015 19:39:56; mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
mircea_popescu: which of these examples is "without submission/domination" ?
mircea_popescu: but it would seem to me that even should i decide to take turns with the woman as to who's on top, this does not automatically preclude us from enjoying a D/s relationship.
phillipsjk: Well, with the goose example, the lead bird has to work extra hard to fly through the air. By taking turns, the "leader" does not have to drope dead half-way.
mircea_popescu: tho perhaps some observer may think he understood the example better than the geese
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mircea_popescu: and to complete your headspin : there is no altruism, either ever seen or in principle possible, outside of a domination/submission relationship.
mircea_popescu: by its very definition, no less. to give, someone has to take.
phillipsjk: You seem to be claiming that hierarchy always forms in groups of animals. Therefore, any non-hierarchical behavior noted just reflects the observer's bias.
mircea_popescu: whosoever takes will take in the manner that it is given, and there you have your submission.
trinque: phillipsjk: have you ever seen geese up close?
trinque: they fight each other and establish dominance ongoingly
mircea_popescu: trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform throughout eastern canada too, or at least were.
decimation: I saw a goose trying to cross an interstate once; it caused a feather explosion
decimation: they are actually a fairly significant object to hit at high speed
phillipsjk: Um It is my understanding that the turkey is supposed to be thawed for the test.
mircea_popescu: well it's engineering... if they test with it still frozen
decimation: re: stronger airplane << can be a problem - what if you want the engine to shut down?
mircea_popescu: like the us borrowed a uk gun, and then trying to understand why the damage was so bad asked the english
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, you called it :"The way the Air Force had it figured, if a canopy could survive an impact with a frozen bird, it would certainly live through a chance introduction to one that could still fly under its own power. They further believed cold chickens provided a better simulation of a bird that had tensed to prepare for the impact. "
assbot: Peripateticists, kinda, except girls not boys, bare cunt instead of toga and walking around the house not the garden, but otherwise exactly the same. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
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mircea_popescu: "You're thinking of animals based not on interaction with animals, but on interactions with human depictions of animals. Such as animals drawn by a person in a book, "animal" cartoon characters made to resemble people, people in animal plush costumes and so forth. All of this creates in you the false but deep seated impression that animals are residually a sort of people. This is not true. Animals are not at all a sort
mircea_popescu: of people with different characteristics. Animals are animals. It's a thing into itself, not some anthropomorphized cuteness. Fundamentally, we could present the problem in saying that you're a furry."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, this thread is about new guy trying to make sense of the batshit insane that is b-a.
decimation: what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria?
trinque: almost done rsyncing my wad o blocks to the server; when I come back in a bit imma publish the first bundle
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 02:44:25; coderwill: anyone working on any new projects?
trinque: might've taken a while but the end result isn't a piece of shit
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria? << It's not altruistic. It is lazy and wants to be fed with minimum effort.
assbot: GvR fading away would help but not cure the problem he started, i.e Python desig... | Hacker News ... (
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, it just wants to go on doing what it's best at!
decimation: comparing guido and linus, one finds guido did all the wrong moves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hence the PNGs of the pages and the hashes.
decimation: whatever life python has left is primarily driven by usg academic types
decimation: who use it as a license-free matlab (numpy)
mircea_popescu: decimation except ruby came to peak and then withered before python managed to get a new major version out :D
decimation: guido has managed to completely ignore this set in exchange for creating some random dangly bits that no one cares about
decimation: guido could have delivered a better 'non-perl' instead of derping with stupid shit
BingoBoingo: substitute for perl, substitute for matlab, and all of this on version 2. Version 3 is a hostile hardfork.
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah that's precisely my point
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that was the lulziest thing ever. "we'll break with 2.x but still have 1.x issues"
BingoBoingo: I guess even the scientific stuff though is just acaderps prefering python to perl
decimation: all the 'web developers' have already moved on to node.js or whatever crazy shit of the day
decimation: so guido has no audience other than the one that he is trying hard to ignore
BingoBoingo: He doesn't really have an audience anyway. Python 2.x is fine
decimation: I donno, they are probably selling each other software as a service as a service
BingoBoingo: It's still node.js and iterations on that theme.
mircea_popescu: actually julia sounds very interesting, have we discussed yet ?
mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this would be the first compiler brave enough to expose itself to programmer scrutiny thus
BingoBoingo: decimation: Julia is generally aimed in the direction of scientific computing crowd.
decimation: 1-based arrays are a matlabism, which got it from fortran
mircea_popescu: still, this is like the first thing i've seen in nigh on 20 years making me almost feel like trying to code in it.
adlai wonders whether mircea_popescu has heard of lisp
mircea_popescu: im {un/}fortunate to be in this position where thje actual business end of my mental life can in no manner by done by machines. so lisp is entirely useless to me.
mircea_popescu: the sorts of tediums i have machines do is generally seen as closest to c
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 04:48:10; mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
mircea_popescu: well obviously profilers exist. just, people seem sorta shy to put the bytestream in your face so.
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decimation: I am retiring gentlemen, have a good evening
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the original point wasn't that there don't exist profilers, but that it's rare for a language to put the bytecode in the programmer's face, and especially for a new and (at least in my perception) hip one.
gabriel_laddel: regarding the preceding discussion on asm, common lisp vs. julia vs. C, the book Let over Lambda is quite good and discusses these and related issues in-depth.
mircea_popescu: an' tbh it wasn't much more than a passing remark anyway, so we've made more of it than its frail back can carry
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: lol. The idea of a closure doesn't need to be stretched out across several chapters, but e.g., the cl-ppcre chapter is good for the non-lisper to read.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i yet yearn for the day i dual boot os x and a lispy gentoo
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I'm currently counting lines of algol and fixing up the dashboard
ben_vulpes: but that which gabriel_laddel described was a damned siren song for a boy who grew up on os x.
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ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: for a gentoo like what you describe, i'd go through the headaches of dual booting.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why not sbcl on gentoo?
ben_vulpes: forgive me, but is it all not strange?
ben_vulpes: i'm entirely naive to quirks of the underlying chips.
ben_vulpes: what do you mean by "strange iron", though?
ben_vulpes: is the point to run sbcl on "strange iron"?
ben_vulpes: myeah, but i think i missed a leap in your reasoning.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os << so as to say "why bother with gentoo?"?
ben_vulpes: i'm using sbcl for stump, now that we mention it
mod6: ok all, not getting much of anywhere with debugging.
mod6: i've basically run and break when nBestHeight=167999 and then go from there, but not turning anything meaningful up yet. however, i'm sure i'm not sure how to dig into these vectors properly yet.
ben_vulpes: why would one bother with the native cruftery?
mod6: i'll carry on tomorrow. im like X_X at this point.
mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform : "I never read the proclamations of generals before battle, the speeches of Führers and prime ministers, the solidarity songs of public schools and left-wing political parties, national anthems, Temperance tracts, papal encyclicals and sermons against gambling and contraception, without seeming to hear in the background a chorus of raspberries from all the millions of common men to whom these high
mircea_popescu: sentiments make no appeal. Nevertheless the high sentiments always win in the end, leaders who offer blood, toil, tears and sweat always get more out of their followers than those who offer safety and a good time. When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic. Women face childbed and the scrubbing brush, revolutionaries keep their mouths shut in the torture chamber, battleships go down with their guns still firin
mircea_popescu: g when their decks are awash. It is only that the other element in man, the lazy, cowardly, debt-bilking adulterer who is inside all of us, can never be suppressed altogether and needs a hearing occasionally."
mircea_popescu: a damned sight more optimistic than you, this pessimist
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did burn in excess of two days attempting to get either a firefox or chrome to connect to x under os x
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea with the native cruftery is, he found a reliable way to wedge the bitcoind at a certain heright which just so happens to be the checkpoint
mircea_popescu: but no one else ever ehard of this, and so we wish to see his block
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll have to compile it meself, apparently.
ben_vulpes: while it must surprise everyone here, the fact that i am a process man who's only barely grasped the basics of *nix operation bears trotting out on a *regular* basis apparently
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your lessons come too late, sir!
ben_vulpes: instead, instruct me on the arcane art of dumping specific blocks from a bitcoind 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: if the worst comes to worst diff blk00x.dat pre and post
ben_vulpes: tips on running for precisely a single block?
mircea_popescu: there should also be a bdb based method but it probably would take longer to untangle
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes have a logwatcher trigger ? renice everyything ?
mod6: during debugging, i did see something that mentioned "blk%04d.dat" when looking at the txout.scriptPubKey vector:
http://dpaste.com/1E4QQ9A mod6: think that's the one to check?
mod6: (This was from inside where it does VerifySignature())
mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb
mod6: anyway, thanks guise.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50620 @ 0.0003758 = 19.023 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner attacked for 'racist' Chinese joke | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1I63Ikf )
punkman: I setup a 0.5.3.1 node yesterday, stuck on 168000 today
punkman: (on debian wheezy, rev_bump patch)
ben_vulpes: would you be a dear and sync an unmolested 0.5.3?
phillipsjk: I don't think 0.5.3 supports bootstrap.dat, but I could be wrong.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: what does bootstrap.dat have to do with anything?
ben_vulpes: oh, d'ja hack the whoopies BingoBoingo?
punkman: ben_vulpes: what's a known-good blocksource?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] a) what chicks and b) what pay. << i can speak to the chicks
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Nah, hand listed at least for now. Over the next month or two will work on making categories more useful for browsing since mike_c wanted it so
ben_vulpes: punkman: using addnode= to add a node from which to pull the blocks
punkman: ben_vulpes: I had one of BingoBoingo's nodes plus dnsseed
trinque: asciilifeform: I once finished gentoo quest on a two-generations-back macbook pro
trinque: I still have the kernel config somewheres
trinque: that said fuck that shit; I'm sure there's an easier machine to deal with
trinque: and that is decidedly not anything lenovo's squeezed out recently
trinque: asciilifeform: nah, tis but the rambling of an addict who will never find his fix
punkman: but also it died the other day, and no warranty
trinque: -or- when the hell do I get a dataflowputer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129202 @ 0.00036638 = 47.337 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: I was thinking my love of relational databases (view composition, etc) would map to that model pretty well
trinque: there's this idea of streaming queries that's been kicked around a bit
trinque: sounds sort of like what I read on loper
trinque: zen stick's good for ya, haha
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, the power has been declared to be, then the lamp may make use of that fact as it does
trinque: vs say asking "hm, at this point in time are there electrons moving in this wire?" *plug* "Yes." *unplug*
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure.
trinque: select * from qntra; -- streaming version would give me new articles that occur after the query was begun
trinque: why suggest relational modeling?
trinque: lots of reasons treated by smarter guys than myself
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What of lamps that monitor/diagnose issues with mains power, totally a query.
trinque: BingoBoingo: or say I only read when the light is on
trinque: the reactive model of just firing up reading when there's some light to do it by is nice
ben_vulpes: <Vexual> [] 'hoes and money and violence an polotx << legendary
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts. << If pilot is gassy enough why not? Optimize diet for flight.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese << this one time i was eating a burrito on the waterfront
ben_vulpes: doing nothing of import, minding my own business
ben_vulpes: and then proceeeds to march over to intimidate me
trinque: ben_vulpes: "bitch!" spans many species, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212700 @ 0.00036541 = 77.7227 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Deathandtaxes is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll do it while wiping my paper with ass
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm deedbottin
trinque: let me get the thing to publish once and I'll see if you're still up for a cig
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be. <<Water is perfect for polling bottle of its volume
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa << disappeared into sack?
trinque: BingoBoingo: he'd be arrested for... fowl molestation
BingoBoingo: trinque: I mean bird disappears into his sack, not his sack disappeared into bird for a bit.
trinque: ben_vulpes: hah yes let the banks imitate the fucking valley
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16989 @ 0.00037081 = 6.2997 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse
punkman: ben_vulpes, I'm working on "1-click" deploy/build/run/log ansible playbook
phillipsjk: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I sincerely hope the 1MB line in the sand is not simply a power-trip.
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, got imported from gribble. I trade with him
ben_vulpes: no need to summarize your *one* rating for me.
ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
☟︎ phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year?
ben_vulpes: no more than merely existing gives you a say in how the world works.
ben_vulpes: don't make me finish this bottle aone, trinque
assbot: muxne is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
☟︎☟︎ phillipsjk: Well, if I ever get my Money Service Business registered, I will let you know.
phillipsjk has not worke on that in like 75 days months
ben_vulpes: why'd i think that a thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action?
Vexual: what are you actually trying to do?
phillipsjk: Buy and sell BItcoin following the *letter* of the law. I am passive-aggressive that way.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh
Vexual: that got elanors tits? punkman?
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and then start derping about "power trips"
Vexual: ross about to get sentenced
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable thing unlike everything else under the domain of the fiat tyrants.
ben_vulpes: the 1mb line is about preserving that scarcity in the face of all who'd turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: even though all i can ever aspire to own in terms of vehicle is that crown jewel in the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women.
phillipsjk: The problem is with 1MB blocks, Bitcoin will only be used for inter-bank settlements. Either that, or remain a niche. We are talking less than 1 million users world-wide.
ben_vulpes: you've made no argument as to this 1e6 number.
Vexual: look at my codebus dls
trinque: I'm at like 37% of rsync'ing leveldb turds up to the server
trinque: ben_vulpes: better just finish that yerself
danielpbarron: it's not that banks are bad; it's that fiat is bad. A bitcoin bank could work well. A service that holds bitcoin for you and lets you spend it with a debit card or something
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in the sense of actually controlling their keys, robustly) should trivially be able to wield either credit cards or local fiat
trinque: phillipsjk: dem stats is not the fucking point
trinque: what TPS will the network do if it fails entirely?
trinque: or hell, let me run trinquecoin from my laptop; I'll be the whole network
trinque: and I'll do a goddamn million tps
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a store of value and a way to move money around without governmental interference.
ben_vulpes: if you touch bitcoin, you are going up against the fiat state. end of story.
phillipsjk: How many transaction per decade do you expect people to need?
danielpbarron: i feel like this confusion phillipsjk is having would be easily resolved by reading the log for 6 months or so :p
ben_vulpes: too bad he insists on waltzing in here and telling us about how the proletariat must transact in bitcoin several times per year.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: proles will be lucky to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade.
phillipsjk: The top 1% will be lucky to buy Bitcoin once per decade.
punkman: phillipsjk: the proposal is not to have 1MB block forever and ever
ben_vulpes: <trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is tough.
trinque: ben_vulpes: requires equipment and *taps noggin*
trinque: all sorts of other financial instruments can be derived from bitcoin once the thing itself is safe
trinque: right now it's nowhere near safe
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we to count them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday?
trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in
☟︎ ben_vulpes: at this point, i'm seriously entertaining the notion that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences that sort-of make sense in english
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, I have always assumed that if Bitcoin users commonly used Windows or IOS, we will learn that some major company had an "insider" push BItcoin stealing malware. (I think I mentioned that within my first 10 Bitcointalk posts.)
ben_vulpes: anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
danielpbarron: are we supposed to have read your post history on some forum while you have not read the history here?
phillipsjk: Well, I guess I have to read logs to learn your "roadmap"
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed << that's familiar
punkman: did anyone try running phoundation's 0.6 ?
phillipsjk: It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam.
punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
fluffypony: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196400 @ 0.00036017 = 70.7374 BTC [-] {2}
phillipsjk: <ben_vulpes> anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
punkman: not just scarcity, slower block propagation can be disastrous
trinque: dude the average block size has to be what, 250kb right now?
ben_vulpes: the 1MB limit is actually in place because of block propagation chaos.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time, blocks were of unbounded size
ben_vulpes: propagation of blocks over the network was at that time...weird.
ben_vulpes: today, 3 mining consortiums might find a block within just a few minute of each other
phillipsjk: I always cringe when lusers on the forum brags some alt has faster "confirmation" times.
phillipsjk: That is the primary reason I am wary of Monero actually. 1 minute block|
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: you're aware that monero's an experiment, right?
phillipsjk: Currently Bitcoin is testing whether a secure, networked application is even possible.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: ya well bitcoin monetized, and monero hasn't yet and likely won't so that's the kind of comment that paints you as entirely ignorant of the domain.
trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain?
ben_vulpes: the notion that the bitcoin protocol needs testing is pure FUD, from the enemies of hard crypto.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it?
punkman: trinque: if you can build the transaction elsewhere
trinque: ben_vulpes: no way sounds lame
phillipsjk: No, back in 2009, my ISP said that they reserve the right to "inject ads in the browser". I have been singing my e-mail ever since.
ben_vulpes: i singed my butthole with a particularly firey fart the other night
ben_vulpes: back in 99 Vexual was my isp and we only communicated with caesars cipher
BingoBoingo: <phillipsjk> It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam. << His definition of spam is both more complex and stupider than that
punkman: "let's block fee paying transactions, yay!"
phillipsjk: BingoBoingo, for some strange reason, I don't doubt you.
ben_vulpes: the point that i'm making (for the clinically slow) is that the odds of a key from...2013 just showing up and having anything pointful to say, especially when citing bitcointalk as proof or substantiation of anything are...low.
ben_vulpes: especially when that key simply parrots that which is only said by those who wish to wreck the scarcity and value of core bitcoin economics.
gribble: Nick 'phillipsjk', with hostmask 'phillipsjk!~james@unaffiliated/phillipsjk', is not identified.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.phillipsjk.-1:162b44943bc0180c83a6648fa5aaaa3cbbeb78a4506a70bcbddccf8766452878
☟︎ assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for phillipsjk with note: get back to me in six months
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.ben_vulpes.1:d92e6c6794ef16570291b960cfc1f164b7e1dd41eb85d812c2ecfe1b9f870592
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: a *real* bitcoin dev
ben_vulpes: you'll bring der furer down on me and i'm trying to get to ars in the spring
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
punkman: we don't really do that anymore
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c04e17d42f4139a1cf13c592cf1722b9116798c9122e99590d8dedff
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
trinque: something's not talking to something *crawls back under car*
trinque: add-key adds your public key to the bot's keyring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00037334 = 55.329 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: ben_vulpes: nah works in pm
trinque: anyhow add-key adds your key *if* you're in assbot's L1 or L2
danielpbarron: doesn't the bot know your key if it knows you're in the l2?
trinque: add-deed noms a gpg signed document and queues it for timestamping
trinque: danielpbarron: you give it your key; it checks the web api, adds the key to the keyring if you're in l1/l2
trinque: and only eats docs with signatures it can verify
ben_vulpes: that's going to have to work in-channel, trinque
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97330 @ 0.00038368 = 37.3436 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42136 @ 0.00038734 = 16.321 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
trinque: I'm fiddling with the publisher
ben_vulpes: mebbe a tidy little dinosaur in the footer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31019 @ 0.00038861 = 12.0543 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 19493 @ 0.00096996 = 18.9074 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0009705 = 1.941 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: didnt james franco cut his arm of for sport?
Vexual: bioshokc pron is a thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00038861 = 13.5625 BTC [+]
punkman: danielpbarron: with orphanage burner?
punkman: danielpbarron: this one? "bitcoin-armv5-bastard includes the 'orphanage burner'"
Vexual: ill be loadinging up m old eeepc
Vexual: luckily the book doesnt nessitate anything in particular
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87790 @ 0.00038861 = 34.1161 BTC [+]
punkman: artifexd, maybe some relevant ideas for gossipd in that spec
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134500 @ 0.00036454 = 49.0306 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: "if you are Anthem member, or if you were an Anthem member, you've been doxxed... and quite comprehensively. And you were doxxed nearly two months ago. Or maybe not, because Anthem goes out of its way to NOT tell you when this occurred. If you were affected here's how they will notify you:"
punkman: "We continue working to identify the members who are impacted. We will begin to mail letters to impacted members in the coming weeks."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00038861 = 16.5936 BTC [+]
punkman: fluffypony: some insurance company
punkman: scammer pretended to be the CEO, told employee to plz send monies to china: "For the last months we have been working, in coordination and under the supervision of the SEC, on acquiring a Chinese company. ... This is very sensitive, so please only communicate with me through this email, in order for us not to infringe SEC regulations."
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156200 @ 0.00038899 = 60.7602 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5802 @ 0.00095 = 5.5119 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1145 @ 0.00094837 = 1.0859 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: from a ransomware news piece.. "Once their files are returned, the Niedermayers plan to have their hard drive professionally wiped, and will change their IP address."
fluffypony: I'm going to offer professional wiping services
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183550 @ 0.00039151 = 71.8617 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156572 @ 0.0003924 = 61.4389 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:52:46; trinque: b-b-but my pulse!
kakobrekla: they basically claim random ftw, which is lulzy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00038908 = 25.7766 BTC [-]
jurov: adlai: if you have problems opening exchange account, maybe we can do it together. but i'm not touching btc-e or buttstamp
jurov: we can use paymium or maybe coinmate.. but dunno if it works with smaller volume
jurov: perhaps i can look into kraken
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.00038908 = 15.427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.0003877 = 39.8943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16682 @ 0.00038366 = 6.4002 BTC [-]
lobbes: woo, finally got my VPS up and running. Now I just have to teach myself the basics of linux (Debian 7). So far I know how to view my current directory. Next step: running a node!
lobbes: plenty of comedy gold (tm) to follow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108650 @ 0.00038366 = 41.6847 BTC [-]
PeterL: should be, I just restarted it a minute ago
PeterL: I'm not sure why he stops, but it seems to get fixed if I restart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101371 @ 0.00038759 = 39.2904 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: PeterL: nice! i missed having that page.
jurov: like, no one looked at it before?
PeterL: well now somebody found it, many eyes worked
mircea_popescu: i dunno of any "profession" "industree" etc ever in history of mankind to be so fucking... i don't even know. inconsistent ? mixed ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL i hope for the sake of your soul that you're being kako-level sarcastic.
PeterL: the profession of prostitute includes alot of fucking ...
jurov: PeterL: yes I found it..after half year
jurov: er.. one and half year
PeterL: I think I forgot my sarcasm tag somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28768 @ 0.00038366 = 11.0371 BTC [-]
jurov: #devops at one's own peril
punkman: swinger's club next to christian school campus, synergy!
mircea_popescu: place for a bunch of derps to go and be all weird and pretend it's jesus' fault amirite.
assbot: Goodpasture Christian School | "Building confidence, intellectual growth, and spiritual strength." ... (
http://bit.ly/1D223at )
mircea_popescu: To see the cast list for Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the attatchment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.00038267 = 35.1674 BTC [-] {2}
BigBitz: mircea_popescu opportunity of a lifetime coming up.
Rippleflip_: i have been forwarded here from #bitcoin-otc
Rippleflip_: we run stellarflip.com and rippleflip.com and are possibly selling these services
chetty: how does one person typing use 'we' unless of course its a royal we
mircea_popescu: so what do these do, exactly ? some sort of coin flip thing ?
BigBitz: mircea_popescu gambling for Stellar and Ripple.
mircea_popescu: and limited to ripple and "stellar", ie, two dead scamcoins ?
mircea_popescu: that's cool, but wh ydo you think the site's worth something in bitcoin ? neither ripple nor stellars are worth anything in bitcoin
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: we're open to offers but 1,250 BTC sounds reasonable to us.
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it would roughly repay what you think the valuable value of your time spent on it so far
BigBitz: Rippleflip_ I did offer 25 Doge.
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: i don't know. we set the price on the low end compared to other gambling site valuations
Rippleflip_: bitbet.us has been played significantly less than ours, yet it's valued at 2000
jurov: Rippleflip_: the valuations include the bankroll. but you are keeping the bankroll i presume
jurov: and selling only code/domain
PeterL: do you have a report on monthly income produced over the past year?
Rippleflip_: jurov: the bankrolls we have are quite small
mircea_popescu: if someone puts 1 btc for 1 year on bitbet, and someone puts 1000 ripples for 10 seconds on your site,
mircea_popescu: you got 10k ripple seconds and bitbet got 31536000 bitcoin-seconds
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: i meant stellarflip.com itself has been wagering more in 6 months than for example, bitbet all-time
punkman: 8million STR total profit = 134 BTC
mircea_popescu: can you even sell 10mn "stellar" without ruining the market permanently ?
thestringpuller: so why is this channel only boppin' when a nigga gotta put in work?
punkman: 3,595,158,975 stellars available now
BigBitz: 'assume' do your research, please.
thestringpuller: and not when you know I'm in a meeting trying to kill time.
mircea_popescu: oh inside network ?! nobody i know would touch it. inside of what ? got its own wot ?
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: you have to verify everything,, there is no point if i tell you
BigBitz: selling 10M STR would destroy their market.
mircea_popescu: so according to poloniex, 10 cents worth of stellar (at 0.004) and 64 bitcoins' worth of same (at 0.00whatever) sold in the past what is this, day ?
fluffypony: hitbtc is most probably a scam so I'd avoid that
mircea_popescu: "24hr Volume: 646.141 BTC / 195.554 XMR / 2838.69 XUSD" nuts.
mircea_popescu: if this liquidity is natural i'll eat my hat. for one thing, the people interested in alts are interested in alts specifically because they're bitcoin poor. to propose to me that they are 100x more likely to trade btc than usd seems beyond counterintuitive.
fluffypony: there's a shitload of liquidity in alts
fluffypony: they make hundreds of BTC on one scam, then lose half of it to another scam the next day
fluffypony: the new altcoin PoS scam is "hyperinflation"
mircea_popescu: and for other people to be all like "I MAKE MONEY WHILE YOIU SLEEP!!11"
fluffypony: you basically just have to have the wallet open
fluffypony: and then your coins add to the "stake weight"
fluffypony: so no mining, just wallets "staking" and earning "interest" for it
mircea_popescu: if you look, throughout 2011/12 some mentally deficient dank clone spent his time producing prose (not so different from the gavincoin crapolade) professionally explaining how bitcoin is obsolete
mircea_popescu: then artforz found it had a hole, and then it changed to having 12 magic nodes with 10 mn "unspendable" coins each
fluffypony: ok not sure about SolidCoin, but PeerCoin's whitepaper is from August 2012
fluffypony: it may have been influenced by ideas RealScammer had
fluffypony: I think King and Nadal genuinely wanted to find an alternative to PoS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75308 @ 0.00039026 = 29.3897 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: well there's a difference between wanting and trying things out you know. i also want to find a cure for cancer, but i'm not going around feeding people pills.
the_scourge: fluffypony: there was a post about possible PoS vulnerabilities written by Vitalik. for what his opinion is worth
fluffypony: the_scourge: PoS is not a terrible idea, it just doesn't work
the_scourge: fluffypony: you may very well be right. what are the top reasons why not?
fluffypony: the_scourge: Vitalik's approach to solving anything is to layer complexity on top, his Delegated PoS thing is just ugh
the_scourge: 'cause reasons like 'keeping it anonymous AND democratic' don't fly for me anymore. butterin is worried about democracy or whatever, i'm past that point
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the "us academia" solution to everything. "make it more complicated, people won't notice"
the_scourge: the freicoin solution is shockingly simple. my mind appreciates that :D
mircea_popescu: pretty much born out of their poverty years, each academic spent some time going "well if i think of it really complicatedly, i won't be so hungry anymore and those won't really be cockroaches"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this reminds me of conversation we had of Grad students being pimped out.
Rippleflip_: PeterL: no. it's also worth nothing if we make it. potential buyer has to do the research. we can of course give you data
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, he has it in git if you want to step back to previous versions
fluffypony: 6.4 is the section where he rips PoS a new one
PeterL: Rippleflip_: what's worth nothing?
PeterL: where else would info come from?
Rippleflip_: PeterL: it is all 100% verifiable from public ledger
the_scourge: fluffypony: is apoelstra his github account?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he's attached to the Monero Research Lab as one of the MRL Friends, so he's participated in some of the Schnorr signature multi-sig discussions we've had
Rippleflip_: well, a bit over 20000 unique players, over 1,5 million usd wagered (possibly over 2 million with bitcoin value being higher in the past)
the_scourge: fluffypony: i'm intruiged by his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter
Rippleflip_: been operating with the same engine for over 1.5 years
mircea_popescu: srsly, "Textual enumeration of incentives related to Bitcoin software." ?!
fluffypony: the_scourge: he doesn't have a newsletter
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kanzure saw your enumeration incentives thing. lolz were had.
the_scourge: fuck another canadian expat. we are fucking awesome
mircea_popescu: Rippleflip_ you know, the only moral here is that spending 1.5 years outside of the wot essentially cost you 1250 btc
mircea_popescu: or w/e chance at that you might have built over the 1.5 years in question.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: is that incentives whitepaper actualy kanzure ?
mircea_popescu: the_scourge i would imagine so, and if not i'll soon find out.
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: we will of course use escrow with the buyer
Rippleflip_: so i do not see it essential to being in the WoT
Rippleflip_: #bitcoin-otc laughed at the pricing of 1,250. is it really too much?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony got a link to the actual github in question ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I already told him that when he joined -otc nearly two hours ago
the_scourge is reading whitepapers but would like to pause and say that maybe alf is right, intelligence and creativity are orthoganal to complexity
mircea_popescu: Rippleflip_ to put it plainly : someone who does not see being in wot as esential can not possible have yet done anything whatsoever worth any amount at all, in crypto.
assbot: Rippleflip_ is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Rippleflip is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: Rippleflip tom swanson famously argued the same stuff, from perhaps a better position than you'll find yourself in.
mircea_popescu: so now : take that website, give it away or whatever, go to read the logs for the next year or so.
mircea_popescu: after which, come back, do something useful with your time, that'll actually be worth money.
the_scourge: would this be a good time to talk about how the mud pie fallacy is VERY apropos :)
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the_scourge: i actually wish there was a marxist around to make it. at this very instant. < speaking of making things insanely complex
mircea_popescu: in any case it indicates it's a fallacy older than feudalism.
the_scourge: well it's true. my dad was smart enough to say shit like 'it doesn't matter how hard your working if the thing you're working on is useless', and yet today the highest academics actually think that this universal gnon rule can be broken because they invented more complexity?
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: will google translate do that justice?
mircea_popescu: it is more a function of people being removed from the means of production than anything. no living thing will ever accept its pointlessness. as such, cargo cults and mud pies everywhere.
mircea_popescu: the_scourge from experience, not even human translation by billingual hands do my prose justice.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: mission accomplished. i'm going back to reading that whitepaper
mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly, got a link to the whitepaper's github ? guy's tree's gnarly.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I've pinged him to ask where it is
BigBitz: I just don't have my key on this terminal.
BigBitz: I am authed with gribble :)
gribble: Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's at git://git.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alt-essay.git
fluffypony: so no pretty github interface, but git works fine
mircea_popescu: curl: (1) Protocol git not supported or disabled in libcurl
mircea_popescu: a kind soul with git installed pls dpaste that shit sometime ty.
the_scourge: "Finally, it should be mentioned that developer-signed blocks are known in the PoS community as
the_scourge: checkpoints. This is a very misleading name because it is already used to describe an anti-denial-of-
the_scourge: service measure of Bitcoin’s peer-to-peer network; Bitcoin’s checkpoints have nothing whatsoever
the_scourge: erg sorry for multi line but this does not explain why peercoin's checkpoints won't work. we should call them something else if the word is causing a problem in discussing it
fluffypony: the_scourge: because with Bitcoin checkpoints are optional, and won't be needed eventually. with PeerCoin they will always be needed (for pure PoS).
fluffypony: otherwise they're open to stake-grinding attacks the minute they take them away
fluffypony: whereas with Bitcoin if you remove the checkpoints nobody has enough hashing power to be able to rewrite history back several thousand blocks
mircea_popescu: in other words : in bitcoin checkpoints exist mostly because the protocol is strong, and the power rangers are trying to leech strength to prop their own shitty code.
mircea_popescu: in ppcoin they exist because the protocol is very weak, even weaker than the code,
mircea_popescu: and the local power rangers are trying to prop both by fiat.
the_scourge: at some point, the checkpoints in ppcoin won't be needed
the_scourge: 'cause the coin-days of legitimate holders will far exceed whatever a grinder could possibly come up with
the_scourge: i don't see very much difference between that and PoW blockchains which have vulnerabilities early on, and can't be truly invulnerable until legitimate mining is consuming 51% of the earth's electricity
the_scourge: until that point, it's still just probability
mircea_popescu: you're committing the shaman mistake. that is to say, the mistake to believe categories in your mind have objective substance.
the_scourge: ppcoin is more of an agorist/WoT effort to get past that post. more activity, more coin-days, more legitimate: less chance of a grinding attack. until that point, you're hoping that the highly improbable does't happen. how is that different?
the_scourge: WoT is proof that there is 'legitimate holder', n'est pas?
mircea_popescu: it's a post hoc determination, and for this reason can not be used in any phenomena discussion.
mircea_popescu: the difference from the wot is actually quite instructive. in the wot, one is at the liberty to consider history, but in no sense required to do so. in your model, one automatically is held to consider history. it's true that they both to some degree rely on the continuation fallacy,
mircea_popescu: however once that's automatic everything changes. which is why the wot can not be automated.
the_scourge: automated can mean 2 things: 1. reduce the roteness, man the hard things easy 2. skynet
the_scourge: and considering i'm a NRx'er, i'm pretty sure i'm for the former and against the latter
the_scourge: but basically, post-libertarianism. therefore bitcoin is designed with the wrong assumptions about society. it's designed by progressives. every person in the world born after 1805 is a progressive, more or less
the_scourge: i think it's a misconception that yarvin started NRx or even is/was a leader in any way. he's a good writer. he is NRx, yes
mircea_popescu: can youstick to one nonsequitur per paragraph, instead of one per sentence.
the_scourge: please point them out, i'll not say a word in the meantime
mircea_popescu: so let's leave aside the "therefore" bitcoin this and that, as i dun have the energy. instead, re "nrx" : i have little doubt that there are some kids in the us that thought the one repackaging of stuff they ran across is somehow more significant than all the repackagings they don't know, and definitely more significant than the originals. and that they need a name and so on. this exercise in nominalism does not instit
mircea_popescu: ute them as important, contrary to the tenets of the us religion of marketing.
mircea_popescu: so i'm not too inclined to see any of these lables as anything more than "ignorant kids from the us web". be it "nrx" or "neoreaction" or etc.
mircea_popescu: ok. this much given, it can never be denied that the repackager of any one is, for all purposes, the 'leader'.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing having no further substance past repackaging, obviously the coca cola company is the coca cola thing, and yarvin is the "nrx" thing.
the_scourge: uh, about my first yes, i should have said i understood where you're coming from, but i'm not sure you're observations are at all correct. on the second yes, you're very much wrong
the_scourge: fluffypony: it is relevant. this is another sign that society will colapse and i and many others were TOTALLY misguided on many thing in the last days of the empire
fluffypony: the_scourge: I think we're going to end up like the people in Wall-E
the_scourge raises hand < don't call me a prick, no one else did
the_scourge: fluffypony: never seen it, would idiocracy be a similar example?
mircea_popescu: Warning: mysql_select_db() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/imsdb/public_html/dbscon.php on line 5 << ahaha epic
the_scourge fires up tribler, i think mrs scourge would enjoy that one!
punkman: yarvin is the "nrx" thing. <- if not yarvin, who?
the_scourge: there are hundreds of writers. probably thousands like myself who haven't got a public profile.
the_scourge: do you want me to start rattling off urls?
punkman: there is the LessWrong crowd, and the guy that left to make MoreRight
mircea_popescu: last time intel got the job to diagnose this (after princessnell brought it up) it turned out there's maybe a few dozen blogs, all dead.
punkman: but yarvin pretty much came up with the term "neoreactionary"
punkman: I'm sure there's a whole bunch of "writers" that saw "NRx" and thought "hey, Rx is the good stuff right"
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mircea_popescu: actually it wouldn't surpriose me to find that's the process through which it was invented. all like nlp and shit, yarvin sat down and figured hey, this is going to positively attract the esl retards.
punkman: hey nlp is natural language processing, good stuff
mircea_popescu: nlp is like, "the law of attaction", before it was dumbed down for daytime tv.
the_scourge: nick land, freenortherner, dalrock, sunshinemary, socialmatter.net darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com, anarchopapist, anomalyUK, cappy (captain capitalism) < all these have posts within the last week or less
mircea_popescu: there's something to be said for a society so dumb, even the scams have to be dumbed down lower and lower each generation.
punkman: the_scourge: well now it's "cool" to write about it
mircea_popescu: and the something that's to be said is : hory shit that puts isis, china and everyone else in a bad light
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pete_dushenski: some of your fellow nx'ers picked up on an article of mine
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the proposition that kids should (or want to) "improve the world" is untenable.
mircea_popescu: they are busy with much more suited tasks : picking a group and figuring the hierarchy.
mike_c: but that title :D awesome.
punkman: maybe "improve your world"
mircea_popescu: but it IS a perfectly valid if not the only available means for them to improve hteir world.
pete_dushenski: but from the perspective of reality-divorced idealists...
mircea_popescu: a while back they could also improve it by handing out at elbow of papa while papa worked
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski anyway, it's actually been in the logs.
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: well poseidon isn't wrong you are reactionary
mircea_popescu: ah there we go, it's right, i forgot it indexes after a delay.
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2014 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today
the_scourge: i agree with everyone's sentiment regarding hipsters trying to figure out what ism they are. as someone who's had to earn all his priviledge, i went to uni with such people but cannot relate to them much. however didn't we just tell mr BigBitz and partner that it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're working on the wrong thing?
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mircea_popescu: the_scourge so how do these two come together in your reasoning there ?
the_scourge: right, so we know that working on a stupid protocol or technology is just wasting time. what about working within a social framework which is even more broken?
mircea_popescu: the_scourge but you see the difference between working on and working within ?
the_scourge: BigBitz: sorry, was it your friend Rippleflip who was the proprietor of those sites
mircea_popescu: like, working on a mud pie is stupid, working in a badly designed house may or may not be stupid ?
BigBitz: I have no idea who he is. I banned him from -otc originally.
BigBitz: don't associate me with him ;)
the_scourge: oh! ... i joined today at the point where you said "opportunity of a lifetime" < perhaps slightly /sarc ? :)
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if you got the guy's email by virtue of him commenting, and you don't mind, drop him a note saying i loathe blogspot, but if he has time drop by for a chat.
the_scourge: i think "badly designed" might be giving too much credence
mircea_popescu: the_scourge the standing advice for all usians has been "get the fuck out of the us" for at least a year.
mircea_popescu: some people listen, most don't, which hey. sounds almost like irl.
mircea_popescu: the jews found themselves in a similar situation all through the 30s.
mircea_popescu: (and in this perspective, the holocaust is proper and well deserved fucking punishment. next time - listen better.)
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: good advice but as a non-USian who has spent 90% of his life outside the US and 100% of his adult life outside of N/A, and has lived in non-western places as well, i think there could be something said for living for a short while in california or new england
the_scourge: i lived in socal in mid-90s. i could see them, but they were not obvious
the_scourge: i think a teenager today would find them obvious.
the_scourge: why would you go other than to see the cracks and be warned?
mircea_popescu: the only reason one'd ever go to either republic, would be to fuck college girls.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: definitely. i'm answering one of his comments right now, as it so happens
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: you seem to have read some of nick land
pete_dushenski: i think i referenced another one of his articles in the comments section of that first one
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mircea_popescu: it seems to me this entire "we" whatever it is, if it had any sense whatever, would show up here.
mircea_popescu: it's unclear if we politically agree or not, but it is not yet in any sense clear we disagree to any degree, and more importantly, we have nuclear weapons.
mircea_popescu: so in the sense western "intellectuals" migrated to russia in the 30s, they're stuck migrating here anyway.
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the_scourge: oh yah he takes it as a manifesto. obviously my reaction would only be for those who are meticulously combing through UR, and haven't even bothered to have a gander at xenosystems yet
mircea_popescu: "What is this? The first*, the biggest** and the best*** IRC community." kakobrekla you sly* dog** you*** :D
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this exactly. twas my comment about nrx not grokking economics, money, and the fundaments of power
the_scourge: the question is, have NRx found out that we actually live in a world where 'nuclear' weapons don't do anything? that's potentially one of the corellaries to the entire argument
mircea_popescu: mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb <<< heh how about that, first 168k blocks fit in 1gb, the next 168k blocks fit in 35 gb.
mircea_popescu: if the next 168k blocks fit in 1.25 tb we're so fucked...
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i've read more xeno that ur, it so happens
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: and nuclear weapons most definitely do something
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access << kinda my supposition yeah. kinda sad if true. the competition to be him is at least 100k to 1. the competition to be her ? it's like superunitary, 0.x to 1.
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: ah that explains my crossed wires
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski which is this xeno thing it seems familiar somehow
pete_dushenski: we're essentially assembled here to make sure wmds do something productive
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ?
mircea_popescu: oh now i know whence i know him, he linked to me a few times.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin address: 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP no less.
pete_dushenski: how long do people have to admire from a distance before talking to the pretty girl ?
pete_dushenski: particularly when the pretty girl is friendly and open to conversation like 20/24 hrs every day
pete_dushenski: on a digital forum where you don't even need to fuss about body language
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: because most don't quite understand the point. i kinda get the perceived problem (thanks to alf) but the solution, while cool, hasn't struck me as nuclear (yet)
mircea_popescu: ask @Outsideness if he still has the priv key to that bitcoin addy ?
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: it does take a significant amount of interest in investing, monetary history, politics, to grasp
trinque: anybody know how to tell btcd to start from a previous block and re-generate the rest?
trinque: that fuss about orphan blocks in btcd's log the other day was a jacked drive, killed 3 ldb files out of 15k
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron <command-line>:0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined << that doesn't sound so good.
mircea_popescu: somehow running a duplicate along with the original or something ?
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: yah, i thought i had a modicum of those things and while i totally grasp it, my age + intution is doing this thing saying: it would never pan out like that anyways"
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 23:53:56; mircea_popescu: jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in.
danielpbarron: and it turns out there's an error before that one; currently trying to compile as root in case it's something i messed up with the cross compiler install
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: but i need to formulate my concerns. it's mostly to do with ... if you've succeeded in preserving a clean, elegant, un-pwnable bitcoind variant, then all the poser cyperpunks GTFO, leaving only a small minority of (VERY valuable BTC) who are then in a VERY phys-sec vulnerable position
the_scourge: but i need to write this out in a better way ^
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: ya the "phys-sec" thing is something i've heard about for years and years now
pete_dushenski: to which bitcoin responds: 1) deniability, and 2) fuck you
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:25:17; mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.
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pete_dushenski: did the kings and aristocrats that nrx'ers so rose-tintedly adore stay under their sheets all day ?
mircea_popescu: anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise.
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: it's worth noting that most people "in bitcoin" tremble in fear a lot
pete_dushenski: this is where we flip the table and say, "now hold on just a minute. if we have the power, and we do, who should be scared of who now?"
the_scourge: i remember seeing that war crimes comment a LONG time ago
the_scourge: and i'm pretty sure i came in here to ask about it...
pete_dushenski: hang out here long enough and your fears about phys-sec (and most other things) slowly dissipate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'the new state-of-the-art destroyer << is this the story that late bogart film was based on ? "mutiny on the bounty" i think it was called.
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mircea_popescu: the_scourge if you did log probably has the line somewhere.
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: what... how are we the heirs???
mircea_popescu: jews don't understand this heritage concept like normal people.
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pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i suppose this is another admonition not to use "we"
the_scourge: ok hang on. are you REALLY saying that greed is more powerful and delusion (or religion)? because if you want to buy hitmen or hold the entire world ransom to a dirty bomb or nuclear warheads, you're going to 1. have to find really fucking greedy nuclear engineers and/or suicide bombers and/or military guys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << win :D
mircea_popescu: the_scourge you don't understand how the world works :)
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: have you ever seen someone explode themselves to influence the course of history? i have, in person
mircea_popescu: this is not what's being discussed. you proceed from the naive locus where the bureaucrat somehow= the entire world.
the_scourge: an btw the progressive delusion is FAR more powerful that the allah delusion, it's more craft and more sublte
mircea_popescu: there's no need to hold anyone hostage to enact a public gutting of government servants.
the_scourge: dude i am arguing the exact opposite. the beueaucrat has NOT power whatsoever. that is the entire point
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i'd say allah's been around longer so... lindy effect
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. <<
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the_scourge: right, but the religionists might defend them (or their right to a trial) to the death
pete_dushenski: ...assuming "progressives" are in the french revolutionary vein
the_scourge: i don't understand waht that has to do with it
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: all = modern only. rousseau didn't invent socialism
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: sure, i'll pick it up later, remember your question
pete_dushenski: and it's not clear to me that religionists are going to risk their necks for paper-pushers
the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral?
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: by religionists, i mean atheists
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: if you read how dawkins got pwned, then you'll understand what i mean by religionists
the_scourge: actually to be honest you really need to the gentle introduction and take the red pill, do the original sources on the revolutionary war, then read the dawkins stuff, then 'open letter'
chetty: so what ya'll think about the 'journalist' caught in the big lie? will it help people 'get it' about the news?
the_scourge: chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol
pete_dushenski: The God delusion is a parasitic meme because, being alien to reason, it does not serve the interests of the host. << utter nonsense
pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: you've obviously not aquainted yourself with NRx at all. if you chose to read a little and open your mind, it will hurt for several days
the_scourge: but yes, we have all been taught our whole lives that religion is for coping, atheists worship 'science', etc etc
the_scourge: trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago
the_scourge was a total progressive. a libertarian, tory, ancap progressive
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i'm in edmonton. and iirc you're in canada too
mike_c: <+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe a month from now!
the_scourge: mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: oh yah cool BC is my stomping grounds but i worked in eddyville for a few summers
chetty: <the_scourge> chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol// no Brian Williams
trinque: +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck
chetty: <trinque> +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck// aren't they the same thing?
the_scourge: trinque: ok, having experienced both, i'm pretty sure old moldbug is a much better mindfuck
punkman: pill taking not encouraged
the_scourge: i agree the perspective here is refreshing and contrarian
ben_vulpes: hey so why did the hipster burn himself on his coffee?
lobbes: he drank it before it was cool
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: probably, yes. i do like to hear things out. but i wish it was more prosaic in this case!
the_scourge: obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science
mircea_popescu: the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? << a) "the cathedral" is about as solid a concept as moldbug's new os.
the_scourge does not want mosaics, he wants answers. diversity is for suckers
the_scourge: explain why the concept does not reflect reality
chetty: <the_scourge> obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science// atheists worship not worshiping
mircea_popescu: yarvin doesn't get an out of jail free card just because he is "with us", as opposed to whoever, golf club pattern proponent
mircea_popescu: they're just as much pseudo, the political motivation of pseudoscience makes not on wit of difference.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: if you want a first principles argument for the existence of the cathedral, that has been given already. i'm not going to repeat it in an IRC channel. everyone knows where to find it, i'm just wondering why you in particular haven't looked at it
the_scourge: if it helps, let me vouch that it IS first principles and it is worthy of your time
mircea_popescu: well so then there the conversation ends. you are a believer in some strange notions that don't carry currency here.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: ok it wasn't quite ready. it's not a strange notion what can be argued from first principles. i'm agreeing with your post
mircea_popescu: not like there's any rush. the logs stretch endlessly.
the_scourge: the part about the socialist professors and their books rings esp. true. what you fail to realize is that everything YOU believe falls into the same category (minus the stuff which can be argued from first principles)
the_scourge: so what carries currency here does not matter. reality matters. that is it. we've been living in a suspension of reality for at least 300 years, so i'm not surprised that our conversation is missing each other
mircea_popescu: well if what carries currency here doens't matter, why are you talking ?
mircea_popescu: dun waste your time, you don't have so much of it. go do something that matters somewhere where it does.
chetty: the_scourge, only 300?
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pete_dushenski: goodness gracious... what a dozen posts and 15,000 words each ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you've yet to meet mr mold?
pete_dushenski: have i read mold as exhaustively as asciilifeform ? no. have i read some ? yes
ben_vulpes: i remember some really long stony nights in college going through the works
pete_dushenski: reading the trilema pieces in his direction were a sufficient cure to reading more
mircea_popescu: anyway, that "how dawkins got pwned" thing reads to me like "unemployed grad was playing Plague Inc. on his ipad while dawkins was on tv"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform's a sucker for punishment
ben_vulpes: not only expects, but welcomes the stake.
ben_vulpes: "at long last, my expectations are fulfilled."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin
ben_vulpes: OKAY CLIENT WHY AREN'T YOU IN OUR CONFERENCE CALL
mircea_popescu: "In the more recent past, the Allied victors eradicated militarist traditions in Germany and Japan through their control of the educational system." << lulzy. and of course, defeated japanese and german troops erradicated the same in the us and its allies by... also control of the educational system ?
mircea_popescu: "o no wait, that's what we wanted anyway" "like fuck you did"
pete_dushenski: i scanned that dawkins piece a bit more... there were more unfounded claims than i could take
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem with this guy, he's writing a bizarre sort of fiction.
mircea_popescu: "For example, one common trope in various religious traditions is asceticism: the voluntary renunciation of material comforts. Since this tends to be much easier for those who start out wealthy and comfortable, it's an effective status marker."
pete_dushenski: "Christianity is simply a set of behavioral patterns that harm other human patterns in some respect and help in others. Catholic priesthood does, however, exhibit parasitic (viral) behavior on fatherhood."
mircea_popescu: fucking a. didn't this guy as retold by asciilifeform end up sucking cock because "gentleman" in his own opinion ?
pete_dushenski: Ukrainian Central bank raises overnight refinancing rate to 23% from 17.5%
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival << that coping worked better pre industrial revolution that post.
mircea_popescu: one sec to package it so it doesn't end up flooding log
mircea_popescu: "Mr Upward would no doubt answer that a belief which was appropriate several centuries ago might be inappropriate and therefore stultifying now. But this does not get one much farther, because it assumes that in any age there will be ONE body of belief which is the current approximation to truth, and that the best literature of the time will be more or less in harmony with it. Actually no such uniformity has ever exist
mircea_popescu: ed. In seventeenth-century England, for instance, there was a religious and political cleavage which distinctly resembled the left-right antagonism of to-day. Looking back, most modern people would feel that the bourgeois-Puritan viewpoint was a better approximation to truth than the Catholic-feudal one. But it is certainly not the case that all or even a majority of the best writers of the time were puritans."
mircea_popescu: his general point is well taken : as whole groups, the burgeois-puritans were more on point than the feudal-catholics. however, (and he says it, but he hides it too because he does not want to confront it) : as elites, the catholics mashed the puritans into the ground.
mike_c: danielpbarron: looks like you are missing zlib, no?
mircea_popescu: nobody wants a plate of twelve "kinda-shitty" dishes when he could have an exquisite dish and eleven helpings of garbage, readily discarded.
danielpbarron: i guess there are some dependancies that most users are assumed to already have on their system, mike_c ?
danielpbarron: i thought maybe it was all contained in the three tarballs in distfiles/
pete_dushenski: this does not include those disposed towards "the starving kids in africa"
mike_c: danielpbarron: can you link me to it
mircea_popescu: obviously the garbage composter will take either just as happily, and so would the toilet.
pete_dushenski: "It seems therefore that for a creative writer possession of the 'truth' is less important than emotional sincerity." << well said
mircea_popescu: remarkably, wikipedia manages to write however many words on poe without mentioning the guy was batshit insane.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: no, it should -not- be using any libs installed on your box
ascii_field: check that 1) you actually built them 2) results went to the specified dir 3) envir vars got set to point there
mircea_popescu: probably they're in the path, but not being defaulted to
mike_c: the export lines look ok..
ascii_field: try building on a box that doesn't even -have- the libs
ascii_field: no, then, assuming nothing changed, will croak
ascii_field: the locally built libs either 1) aren't there 2) aren't pointed to by the envir.
ascii_field: the thing shouldn't ever be asking for zlib!
ascii_field: clearly marked, zlib is toggled off; and, in the comment, warns that recent 'boost' is braindamaged and demands it anyway
ascii_field: hence, either 1) your build is trying to use a 'modern' boost
ascii_field: 2) your build isn't even happening with the patched (non-zlib) makefile
danielpbarron: but just to clarify, i'm supposed to patch with the portatronic thing after the chicken etc.. patches?
ascii_field: though technically shouldn't conflict with any of them
danielpbarron: i think i tried the portatronic patch first and it didn't work
mircea_popescu: "Institute revokes emeritus title, removes online courses of popular physics professor who starred in viral videos"
mircea_popescu: if i weren't so lazy i guess i'd organise a special cell to create these derpy "controversies" about every single intellectually productive us person and have the academia "sever ties" with them.
mircea_popescu: fortunately, i am lazy. also fortunately, it's a job that does itself.
ascii_field: that they defect? or simply denied to the enemy ?
mircea_popescu: well, the enemy proposes that relevancy is a matter of headcount.
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mircea_popescu: "With his wiry grayish-brown hair, his tortoiseshell glasses and his intensity, Professor Lewin is the iconic brilliant scientist … he is at once larger than life and totally accessible."
the_scourge: excommunicate him! heretic! :) < it's galileo all over again
ascii_field: hey if j. watson can be lowered into pederasty, why not any other greybeard lecturer
mircea_popescu: "never interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake". fortunately the internet makes so that "help him instead" remains undetectable.
ascii_field: it isn't like they have an alternative 'pepsi usa' which they can escape to and help it build death rays.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the notion that there exists an ending for every character doesn't hold.
mircea_popescu: whether they have or they don't have a choice today, it makes little difference.
ascii_field: watson is a special case here (see his auction escapade, for instance) - but a garden-variety physics prof going 'on strike' means: taxicab
mircea_popescu: it could as well mean blog going "Fuck you, of course I fuck my students!"
ascii_field: and how does that fix the fella up with food & house ?
mircea_popescu: the "turn the other cheek" folk over there. the "if you as much as bother a hair of my beard I'll gouge your fucking eyes out with your own detached ribs" folk over here.
mircea_popescu: why'd you expect one's finances to derive from one's politics ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually just that. pointing out that virtually none of the people involved are 'free men' in the sense of having any kind of independent finance
mircea_popescu: neither were any of the men involved in, say, the end of the soviet union.
ascii_field: one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good
ascii_field: e.g., if you worked at a paper factory in '91-93, you had a good chance of becoming de-facto owner of a hundred tonnes of paper - suddenly unobtainable in the usual way - and some pull.
mircea_popescu: do you know how much time and effort the central command spent trying to narrow it down ?
mircea_popescu: 90% of all available anything, towards the end of things.
the_scourge: doesn't our politics and philosophy entirely derive from our finances? it's pretty clear that a liberal is just a fascist with effective plumbing and sanitary solutions
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the fascists had better plumbing than the us does.
the_scourge: er, sorry i didn't mean to reference one specific form of fascism ... i should have used 'left' and 'right' instead
mircea_popescu: the_scourge are you looking for the log bit about the spanish revolutionary right ?
the_scourge: sorry for the sources, i was struggling with my history grepping and resorted to ddg
the_scourge: ascii_field: yes, i believe it's the same effect
ascii_field: i must confess - despite having read every word of mr mold's UR (and got my fair fill of the author in his previous life, and likewise played in his hindley-milner mathemasturbatorium until could take it no more) - i am still no closer to grasping the_scourge's arguments
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly. sara miller mccune is a reputed con woman that came up with the following scam : make up fake "peer reviewed" scientific journals, then charge variouis idiots that were stpid enough to try and carve careers out of "social studies" a few hundred dollars to publish their goop
the_scourge: ascii_field: i thought perhaps your 'answer lies in the sewers' paper was talking about the olfactory conservative/liberal thing, but upon reading it, it seems like it's talking about something else... spanish nobility dumping their worker's bodies in the sewers? am i close?
mircea_popescu: then charge for the amassed pseudoscience to be repeated in drivelly sources like the huffpo.
ascii_field: the_scourge did not actually read a word of it
mircea_popescu: this works splendidly well, on a certain crowd, creating "consensuses" and "progresses" and whatnot.
ascii_field: the_scourge: you are making a loud public fool of yourself, unnecessarily. friendly warning.
mike_c: TheNewDeal: what are you holding?
TheNewDeal: I pay out after receiving payment from bitbet
the_scourge: ascii_field: duly taken. i'm just trying to connect McCune to the articles i linked
mike_c: yeah, so what are you selling?
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mircea_popescu kinda interested to see this model developped, but the fact that txns have to take a time, and a risk premium on top of what's actually bneing sold seems insurmontable
TheNewDeal: I did it before, check out my otp page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00039193 = 2.4496 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal but your holding is worth at the very most .189 BTC, and that if no has a 100% chance to win ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c TheNewDeal no dispute it can be done and has done. just, impediments, friction, that sort of consideration
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what i mean is, the value of buying 1 btc from you rather than betting 1 btc is given by the weight differential
mircea_popescu: as weigh is at 90k, even should you hold all the no you can't expect to make more than .189
TheNewDeal: To me it doesnt matter the exact amount I make
ascii_field: '(S//REL NATO) We assess that any unclassified NATO network that is directly connected to the Internet should be considered potentially compromised, creating uncertainty regarding the confidentiality, integrity and continued availability of all data on that network.' << mega-lol
TheNewDeal: I saw the bet, it looked unbalanced, and then i bet
TheNewDeal: Im not saying you shouldnt just bet no
TheNewDeal: But you could bet no, and buy no from me
TheNewDeal: Why do yoy say I can expect to make .189?
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ascii_field: mircea_popescu: incidentally, the mccune thing is not in any way fundamentally different from the -rest- of mainstream academia
ascii_field: which is a pure rapefest from the standpoint of the phd coolies
mircea_popescu: ascii_field do they have classified networks directly connected is ther implication there ?!
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: oh yah, i take every "finding" and "study" with a grain or shovelful of salt. so, well spoken
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal just trying to think through the valuations of this device. it's interesting.
TheNewDeal: Any who, if someone is interested or becomes more interested as time goes on, send me a gribble message
TheNewDeal: I usually just place a premium, like, 3% on the timeweight
TheNewDeal: So if purchaser paid me at 90k timeweight, I would payout at 90k*1.03
TheNewDeal: The specific premium and amount are what needs be negotiated
mircea_popescu: so basically the diff between betting and buying is 3% on one side, vs the risk premium on the other.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure. << LAMP! geddit ? roflmao
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mircea_popescu: "When I was in Sicily, I couldn't even get a frickin' wifi login at the McDonalds without an Italian passport *and* a local registered sim. "
TheNewDeal: Mp, The largest difference is someone else being able to purchase a larger percentage sstake in the pool I am in
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the most advantageous implications of the whole idea that i see probably have to do with privacy.
TomServo: Waterfall update: One step closer to drying up. Down to 5,038.29 from 10,295.86 on 28-01-2015.
mircea_popescu: job not needed. they're doing their part being part of the greatest derpocracy in history.
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mircea_popescu: "One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case."
mircea_popescu: make prosecutors personally liable for the use of fraudulently produced "proofs".
mircea_popescu: each da jailed for contempt & disbarred is a step forward.
ascii_field: lol, what's next, policeman liable for strafing crowds ?
mircea_popescu: i doubt the system couldsurvive a dozen total years of jailtime on this score.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have with my own eyes seen men hang for that.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: these folks show every sign of intending to keep it all up until glassed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00039371 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: besides, what "these folks" in the general wish and what individual folks actually managed when confronted with a bloody club are quite divorced matters.
jurov: "You were tipped 0.11 XPM for your commit on Project saltstack-formulas/epel-formula. Please, log in and tell us your primecoin address to get it."
mircea_popescu: are these the folks that checked and then ignored signatures yest ?
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ? << Work in progress. Things in the categories will be getting some better sorting.
jurov: guess qntra pays better
mircea_popescu: inb4 "this github commit is worth 1k btc on a qntra size arithmetic"
mircea_popescu: i dun believe the web is starved of anything nearly as badly as it's starved of usable value points of comparison. neatly mirrors how those kids are starved for exemplary leadership irl.
mircea_popescu: a sad fate for a race with such well recorded history.
ascii_field: redhat patch << i can't help but think that this is a 'wait, there was dioxin in my cyanide pill!111!' situation.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "fixed sexist pronouns in manual for use of the alcohol swab employed pre-lethal injection"
assbot: Likely why Twitter has been trying to get news out ahead of earnings: User growth was only 1.4%, the worst on record. /search?q=%24TWTR&src=ctag
mircea_popescu: "he problem isn't a limit in general but that 1MB is so low that under any meaningful adoption scenario it will push all individual users off the blockchain to rely on trusted third parties. In essence you will probably be priced out of the blockchain and the blockchain becomes yet another network you will never have direct (peer) access to, just like FedWire, SWIFT, and other private closed transfer networks. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182100 @ 0.00039435 = 71.8111 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:30:52; phillipsjk: DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: if you or anyone else has any suggestions for sorting archive pages, it'd be sweet if contravex didn't only post one article at a time
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Search for "Clean My Archives" if you consider using it be sure to read it. There isn't much to it.
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BingoBoingo: "Ms. Kim has one of the all-time great LinkedIn profiles: Harvard, Cornell, Columbia Law, the Innocence Project, Shearman & Sterling, two other law jobs, founder or CEO at two start-ups and now a venture capitalist."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0003903 = 1.1709 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: "Ms. Kim’s next big idea was to drop hints to the world that Mr. McCaleb was Satoshi Nakamoto. According to one person who worked at Ripple Labs at the time, “Joyce was creating all kinds of rumors that Jed was Satoshi and Jed was happy to go along with it, smiling like the cat that ate the canary."
mod6: has anyone else seen the "G0D" magic number?
mod6: tail -500000 blk0001.dat | xxd | grep "G0D" | wc -l
BingoBoingo: "This all culminated in a showdown meeting in which the board and key investors sided with Mr. Larsen. It was a 5-1 vote to keep Mr. Larsen as CEO with Mr. McCaleb himself being the lone dissenter. Even Mr. McCaleb’s ally, Mr. Powell, voted to retain Mr. Larsen, as did Roger Ver, another McCaleb friend in the room."
BingoBoingo: mod6: Wait, Was it a bible verse that doesn't want to verify?
BingoBoingo: "After the vote, as would prove to be his habit when faced with a situation not to his liking, Mr. McCaleb simply disappeared. He and Ms. Kim went to Costa Rica to surf, then to Brazil. Even close friends at Ripple Labs had no idea where their mercurial founder was for months at a time."
mod6: na, just saw a bunch of those in there when looking through the hex of blk0001.dat, i think it's an OP_ script of some type maybe
BingoBoingo: "Meanwhile, Mr. McCaleb and Ms. Burzlaff negotiated a settlement for their children’s support, but his behavior toward his kids mirrored his departure from Ripple and, to some degree, every company he incubated. He fled the scene when things went south at eDonkey. At Mt. Gox, he actually claimed the company no longer had any of his coding DNA, even though he still owned 12 percent of the company and advised on an attempt to acqu
the_scourge: i'm undecided as to wether such scams demonstrate a concerted smear attempt or are simply exposing the nasty nature of our 'corportate' culture
BingoBoingo: "Ms. Kim has an impressively broad resume, but it is not especially deep. Ms. Kim appears on Stellar legal documents and itswebsite as “secretary,” “executive director” and “member” (under its bylaws). Whatever her talents, they do not include leadership. Her legacy at SimpleHoney was a pair of false-start products, punctuated by a blog post titled “How to Build a Startup from a Beach.”"
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: It is the plague of people having no concept of history pretending they can haz bzns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.0003903 = 5.6008 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: "This circular process pinned an initial value on STRs. Stellar repaid the $3 million loan with 2 billion STRs. Based on the finite distribution of 100 billion STRs, the transaction implied the currency’s market cap was $150 million. (Its current market cap is about $17 million.)"
BingoBoingo: "Charlie Shrem, the Bitcoiner who is headed to prison and is very close to Mr. McCaleb and Mr. Karpeles and has done business with them, shared his suspicion that the Mt. Gox money actually disappeared much earlier than had been revealed: “I think he lost those coins early on. Like many years ago in the first hack.”"
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: shit doesn't even really count compared to actual impressive public market scamming like VGMC
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: wow that is some seriously seedy shit.... surely they didn't get anyone's money?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136800 @ 0.0003903 = 53.393 BTC [-]
the_scourge: idk human stupidity surprises me to this day and probably will do well into the future
danielpbarron: ok so apparently the openssl make install was getting stuck on making documentation (apparently a known bug for the version ascii chose) and the fix is to use "make install_sw" instead of "make install"
trinque: ben_vulpes: everyone in texas has borderline personality disorder
jurov: border personality?
cazalla: the one time scoopbot fetches an article within seconds..
ben_vulpes: qntra's turning into quite the source these days
mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse << at least half.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year? <<< jesus god he's adorable. totally pwned ben_vulpes too, because the joo's a lazy reader. meanwhile in the linked cv ? "Objective. To find a day or night job in the Edmonton area."
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