mircea_popescu: cazalla "Error: Network error." lol archive no werk
cazalla: who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine
cazalla: so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation?
mircea_popescu: depends. one counterfitter was freed from bastille.
mircea_popescu: gheorghe gheorghiu dej went from common criminal to head of romanian state in a decade
mircea_popescu: generally, the actual criminals do quite well.
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: ah come on!
trinque: I've asked numerous times for a list of URLs people want whitelisted.
trinque: I assume I should add trilema :D
mircea_popescu: trinque no but just don't check url
mircea_popescu: the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him.
trinque: I suppose I can dial back the paranoia
mircea_popescu: ty.
mircea_popescu: gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good.
trinque: that's reasonable
trinque: when I build new things I tend to err towards caution
mircea_popescu: understandabru
trinque: mircea_popescu: ok give it another go
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: yay
cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
mircea_popescu: how's this supposed to work.
mircea_popescu: SummaryStatus: Disconnected lolk
cazalla: apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation
mircea_popescu: uhhh
mircea_popescu: except this doesn't work lol.
mircea_popescu: old coinbases still get priority.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00031931 = 15.2949 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not to even mention... fee paying txn
cazalla: well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway
mircea_popescu: the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk
mircea_popescu: spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases.
cazalla: some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn
mircea_popescu: imagine the "stress test" if the blocks ACTUALLY WERE 20mb.
mircea_popescu: one can always spin up an arbitrary number of spammy txn.
midnightmagic: Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else..
mircea_popescu: "Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meeting—and has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation."
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: i think ima start "tit 1337" investigations of random people nao.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not even.
williamdunne: midnightmagic: I think its most likely just stupid people, nothing nefarious
williamdunne: Well
williamdunne: Outside of the stupidity that is
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 16:29:47; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147755 << seems adequate. "you mean kid in a dorm somewhere dared do something we disagree with on an ideological level ?!!!1?!?!?!"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:17:31; trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents
decimation: yeah but life in prison?
mircea_popescu: they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits.
cazalla: t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house.
decimation: he could 'buy' 'a house' though
mircea_popescu: so he did.
cazalla: don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds
mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
mircea_popescu: you can just paint or w/e it is you wanted to do.
mircea_popescu: become a literary critic.
cazalla: but the food..
mircea_popescu: eh, it's about on par with what people generally eat.
cazalla: he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator
williamdunne: cazalla: Owes 18m, they removed what they gained from selling the coins
decimation: apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef
mircea_popescu: williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ?
mircea_popescu: lmao
decimation: but in chicken, simonella (which can eat your brain) isn't
mircea_popescu: salmonella ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all << Get yourself Bariatric, then get the life sentence for maximum cost infliction
cazalla: williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."
williamdunne: Can't remember which article I read it on
williamdunne: But yeah
trinque: does this come out of his deodorant and titty magazine account in prison?
mircea_popescu: lol
williamdunne: Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it
decimation: yeah salmonella
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility </sarc>
mircea_popescu: decimation very unfair contrast, this. e coli is natural gut fauna. salmonella is never found in healthy humans.
decimation: apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's
decimation: where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> salmonella ? << It Birds and reptiles it is part of their normal flora. Can't be considered an adultrant
mircea_popescu: but we're feeding us, not them
decimation: BingoBoingo: but e.coli is in beef
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00033304 = 24.0621 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli
mircea_popescu: the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic
mircea_popescu: these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding you can make a steel sword and behead someone
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic << unless you are a chicken or turtle... then salmonella is just normal poop bacteria
mircea_popescu: well sure, i guess chicken fda has a diff take
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00033584 = 3.8118 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Most people who self diagnose salmonella usually actually test positive for campylobacter anyways when chikken makes em sick
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
mircea_popescu: is it related to his tooth brushing habits ? is it a function of being loose with women ?
mircea_popescu: that is the point. to fall from grace there must be a grace first. there isn't.
BingoBoingo: lol http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/#comment-25130
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png << bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, cazalla and i : bringing wtf to fb normies since a while ago.
cazalla: normies get out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAO92foBwA
BingoBoingo: best thumbnail
mircea_popescu: dude can't even screem wtf.
mircea_popescu: sounds liek a prison rape.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147807 << quite exactly.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
mircea_popescu: once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed.
BingoBoingo: So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00032301 = 16.1828 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: keel it! fuck i hate cats
BingoBoingo: All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88174 @ 0.00031694 = 27.9459 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: what harm is a field mouse?
BingoBoingo: if it gets inside it shits everywhere and dies
mircea_popescu: "As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. "
mircea_popescu: random commentator on internets has an excewllent point
mircea_popescu: that the defense failed to call out the moral-panic powered prosecution
mircea_popescu: and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused,
mircea_popescu: whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before- BURN THE WITHCq!1"
mircea_popescu: is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history.
mircea_popescu: whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense.
williamdunne: The lawyers derped there, big time
mircea_popescu: nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth.
BingoBoingo: Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, but cats shit every where too
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either
cazalla: i can't say i've ever had a problem with mice or know of anyone that has down under.. cats though? huge problem, huge shits, lots of noise
cazalla: fyi http://i.imgur.com/sr1rQaa.png
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147945 << http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/05/29#l1432915387.0☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:34:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street"
mircea_popescu: !rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.cusipzzz.-10:7efb49656c3c4fe3426e105cd84804e418313f0ad96ac8ae211f55148c7a83cf
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
BingoBoingo: Well, for what it is worth this cat sucks at being feral. I went out for a cig and it was just sitting under a tree. Might be someone wanted an outdoor cat as a pet.
mircea_popescu: and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget we have farms, woods, and native wild bunnies
mircea_popescu: should be simple enough.,
BingoBoingo: Oh, -otc basically a trap nao?
danielpbarron: defo
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo -otc has all teh "relevancy" one could ever wish for.
BingoBoingo: I kinda thought as much
midnightmagic: williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private)
midnightmagic: And they get paid by people they never met.
williamdunne: Sure, I know shills exist, I was offered some myself
williamdunne: I just thing the vast majority of the people are just derping
mircea_popescu: this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping
mircea_popescu: they just derp to themselves.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik it's just a hard working guy that is completely misguided as to what constitutes business etc.
mircea_popescu: "professional"
williamdunne: Won't even own any bitcoin because it could make him 'biased'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ?
mircea_popescu: fresh off a community college course in "introduction to journalism" from wichita ?
midnightmagic: I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh.
williamdunne: Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset.
mircea_popescu: yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them.
mircea_popescu: they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? << Whichever Timothy go hooked into working for Vox faced this dilemma. Staid with Vox to his peril
scoopbot_revived: The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/
danielpbarron: !up Bjander
decimation: !gettrust belxjander
assbot: belxjander is not registered in WoT.
decimation: !gettrust bjander
assbot: bjander is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00031579 = 19.8158 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: also http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-145.0-149.0 to go with that article.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00032293 = 4.5533 BTC [+]
decimation: representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one
mircea_popescu: sure o.O
BingoBoingo: decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions.
BingoBoingo: Now how long we gotta wait on scoopy...
scoopbot_revived: Some Other People Sentenced This Month in US Courts http://qntra.net/2015/05/some-other-people-sentenced-this-month-in-us-courts/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you can find someone like this, it'll usually be a paralegal.
BingoBoingo presently has a "good christian lawyer"
decimation: A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself). The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: but yeah you hire them for their license and make em paralegal for you
decimation: the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts. meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job
mircea_popescu: "Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O
decimation: My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately'
mircea_popescu: well, in cases which are essentially this to begin with...
decimation: exactly.
decimation: well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wow check it out, woman betrayed teh pakistani ring!
BingoBoingo: Tends to happen.
mircea_popescu: "Chrisopher Serna (archived) was sentenced to 50 years in prison by a Florida court for cutting off his girlfriend's head and sticking it on a pole."
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: in other news:
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/crate.jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence
mircea_popescu: i like qntra.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ?
williamdunne: qntra is good
BingoBoingo: It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that the other kind of board?
mircea_popescu: "If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords."
decimation: 50 years is less than life
mircea_popescu: should bne interesting to see irl.
decimation: apparently mr. silk road should have just beheaded random women
mircea_popescu: decimation too late for him
mircea_popescu: apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah, known women. Known is a mitigating circumstance
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
decimation: asciilifeform: how to replace? .conf with ips?
asciilifeform: and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd.
asciilifeform: (or not, and pass seed ip on commandline as discussed in old thread)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> 50 years is less than life << This kinda depends on the age of the person at time of sentencing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nb.
decimation: asciilifeform: and then discover peers by asking the seed about his connections?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/604474262259265536
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, privacy is overrated. especially in old age.
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily
mircea_popescu: !up baghodler
mircea_popescu: trinque aha!
trinque: one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147996 << he fell from grace. let me know when buffet, musk, gates, thiel - starve.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo thats a point.
trinque: great comic too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what grace is this ?
mircea_popescu: note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive.
williamdunne: mm asslag again
williamdunne: Guessing its freenode servers
decimation: it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148054 << with or without my two skull'n'crossbone patches ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 01:44:59; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't.
danielpbarron: without
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? << next best thing. sealed sony trinitron, of what i think is the largest 4:3 size that was made.
BingoBoingo: Nice
asciilifeform: GDM-5402
decimation: I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day
decimation: took to the dump a few years ago
BingoBoingo: First stint of grad school I was so pissed when fucking druggy never returned my 9" trinitron
asciilifeform: 2048X1536@75Hz, 1600x1280@96Hz
cazalla: 144hz master race
decimation: thing was a heavy bastard
asciilifeform: this one is ~40kg
decimation: I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical
asciilifeform: rather like the identical but aged, dim unit i have already on other desk
asciilifeform: decimation: they did until very recently
asciilifeform: (they do not, as we all know, last forever)
BingoBoingo had a nice 9" trinitron rf signal display machine with integrated optical disk player. A historical, more trusting Bingo loaned it to a neighbor and gone.
decimation: I suppose lcds are getting better w.r.t. contrast
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable
asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not at all, but compared to cheap LED's
BingoBoingo: *LCD's
decimation: thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy
asciilifeform: decimation: remember the knock-offs without the guidewires ?
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: was always easy to tell
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded...
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/qntra/status/604477372625068033
decimation: yeah I remember playing nintendo on an ntsc trinitron, was better than random shit tv
BingoBoingo: Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory
asciilifeform: thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's
asciilifeform: but not sure if house wiring can handle it
decimation: heh. I don't think they take that much power do they?
asciilifeform: or whether my desk will auger in
decimation: I guess 200 watts
decimation: yeah that's probably the first thing to fail
decimation: heh 70 lbs
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or whether my desk will auger in << What else are the studs in the walls for if not bearing weight?
asciilifeform: my doubleconverter ups would probably catch fire
asciilifeform: it's already at ~70% load
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this hovel, interestingly, has steel frame. first time i lived in such a thing. a real bitch to hang up anything in
asciilifeform: the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one
BingoBoingo: Amazing. So you actually do have a frame that can handle pretty much whatever weight UPS packages can throw at it without bumping your shit down to "freight" treatment.
BingoBoingo: ^lol labcoin reference
asciilifeform: wai wat
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2013#296505 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2013 19:00:25; kakobrekla: amazing company
decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is probably a good faraday cage for low frequencies
decimation: your steel frame walls
BingoBoingo: decimation: I doubt he's as worried about submarines listening as... vans
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danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.felipelalli.2:20778d891b1ba5e5a1a3a10728673c4f2804e99d0b8801794a2846a253ccebba
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for felipelalli from 1 to 2 with note: enthusiastic aspiring writer
felipelalli: thank you danielpbarron!
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 358608 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47477961159.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.72402
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvOcII_KT8
decimation: whatever clicked on apparently clicked off
asciilifeform: decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only
mircea_popescu: maybe it was just noise.
asciilifeform: gentlemen! anyone else play with my patches from last night ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only << But if you replaced the drywall with classically done plaster...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time
asciilifeform: imho the preoccupation with man-sized faraday cages is a classic usg idiocy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time << might as well look it up nao while waiting waiting for 1nd and third opinions on the orphan slaughter
asciilifeform: plugging the wrong end of the funnel as always
asciilifeform: last i heard, they had a mobile one made for the fuhrer himself
asciilifeform: which he has to step out of every time he wants to check main on his iPnohe
asciilifeform: *mail
asciilifeform: !up RUchimp
RUchimp: No need to voice, just gonna idle and see whats goin on.
asciilifeform: RUchimp: consider reading the log on www
asciilifeform: RUchimp: log.bitcoin-assets.com
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/28/avago_broadcom/
BingoBoingo: RUchimp: Introductions never hurt
decimation: avago is probably going to slice and dice broadcom, sell off peices
asciilifeform: if broadcom were hit by plague or asteroids, i'm not certain that i would notice or care
asciilifeform: and would certainly shed not one tear.
asciilifeform: unfortunately, their products will remain with us.
decimation: heh yeah agreed
RUchimp: \Sorry, using a different handle
decimation: interestingly it was acquired by the former hp semiconductor division based in singapore, run by chinese
decimation: asciilifeform: also related http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/business/dealbook/intel-takeover-of-altera-is-expected.html
decimation: intel is gonna buy altera, after minting their chips for years
asciilifeform waits for cocacola to buy pepsi
decimation: heh
decimation: more like pepsi being bought by its combined bottlers
asciilifeform: the not-so-secret here is that intel wants to bake fpga directly on x86 die
asciilifeform: for the usg market
asciilifeform: which orbits around deep-packet shenanigans and likes fpga
decimation: sure
asciilifeform: and infinite money
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decimation: but what's the probability that intel can deliver this functionality with non-retarded tools?
asciilifeform: decimation: there is no question of non-retarded tools. in so far as is known, intel's entire toolchain is winblows
asciilifeform: even their joke of an 'open' bios is built in vs, with megs (yes) of .bat script as build chain
asciilifeform: at any rate, this product is 'not for people'
decimation: also note that this is a tacit admission by intel that they can mint lots of transistors but have no idea how their customers want the transistors to be arranged
asciilifeform: afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked
decimation: yeah they keep trying to make mobile shit
decimation: the writing on the wall is that the xeon stuff isn't gonna keep making money forever, especially when intel can only deliever 20% improvement per 5 years
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche.
decimation: umm, where are amd netbooks?
decimation: netbook died because it cut out profits for everyone
decimation: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/tisa-yet-another-leaked-treaty-youve-never-heard-makes-secret-rules-internet/ < "But the latest leak has revealed more. The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates"
asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but did you notice that the tablets that 'replaced' the netbook have less functionality?
asciilifeform: naturally
decimation: and cost twice as much
trinque: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/tech-tips-and-tricks/streaming-tv-shows.html << this was a particularly weird market for intel to get into, afaik nothing has come of it
trinque: hm that one doesn't describe exactly what I was looking for
trinque: I recall Intel saying they were going to make their own streaming service
trinque: http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/27/intels-planned-streaming-tv-service-is-stalling-hard/
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard << Life for it I saw on campuses was people who wanted laptop, but didn't want to carry a laptop. Same people the next years I saw with heavier tablet/keyboard combos
trinque: http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/01/21/verizon-to-purchase-intel-media-assets << bahahaha
BingoBoingo: netbook as notetaking machine was a solid niche
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the crapification of 'netbook' stands out in clear, cartoon colours when compared with something like the 1997-1999 toshiba 'libretto'
BingoBoingo: yeah
asciilifeform: machine in all respects similar, but with decent keyboard and sans the 'disposable' chinese plastic feel
trinque: asciilifeform: apparently now refers to a tablet monstrosity http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/libretto
asciilifeform: all models after '110ct' were halfway to the kind of garbage now familiar as 'netbook'
danielpbarron: http://www.heca.be/museum/A_Portege610CT.jpg << i used one of these things with debian
asciilifeform: ^ that's an ordinary laptop
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decimation: asciilifeform: yeah where are modern 'librettos' or hp lx200s?
asciilifeform: decimation: in the same place as modern lisp machine
decimation: or a portable machine with error correcting memory?
asciilifeform: nowhere, unless mircea_popescu had one hand-soldered for his use by pretty gurlz
mircea_popescu: laptocks sup.
asciilifeform: !b 3
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decimation: mircea_popescu: why is a laptop worse than a standard workstation console?
decimation: other than the obvious ergonomic issues
asciilifeform: why is a pine stake worse than a bar stool?
mircea_popescu: othar than ?
asciilifeform: other than the ergonomic issues
mircea_popescu: ;;google laptop si oo coapte
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mircea_popescu: google, you suck.
mircea_popescu: decimation the notion of carrying a portable cooker in your lap as a male should be pretty self-defeating
decimation: yes, but in exchange for poor posture, you gain 'can carry with luggage'
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, don't rest it on your balls
mircea_popescu: because what, i'm the servant, and gotta make do with whatever ?
trinque: lol I try to keep the thing away from the balls
mircea_popescu: luggage is what i say it is
mircea_popescu: not what some clerk somewhere feels like lifting up
asciilifeform: e.g. trinitron
asciilifeform: (what do you do when clerk drops the trinitron ?)
mircea_popescu: but all this aside, not that more's needed : i never bought a premade computer in my lyf.
asciilifeform: charge the airline what it'd cost to blow a new one ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see why i would, either.
decimation: or you want information in your console while in transit
decimation: that's a better argument, but still lame given that most computing components use close designs; firmware
decimation: in fact, why not use a stallman 'libreboot' laptop?
mircea_popescu: by this reason, since all humans use closed designs, there's no benefit to accounting
mircea_popescu: cmon.
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mircea_popescu: the fact that i decide the matches is actually sufficient.
cazalla: http://dpaste.com/28TJGEE.txt interest part of an aussie article
cazalla: interesting even
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was written
asciilifeform: not afaik
asciilifeform: iirc it exists as two sentences in an old mircea_popescu piece, and several dozen lines of log here
decimation: !s diddling
assbot: 70 results for 'diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=diddling
mircea_popescu: well then go for it!
trinque: ^ I'd have expected far more
asciilifeform shiva hands full, will be writing broadcast -and- testing 32 rng units this weekend
trinque: any idea what a cardano might cost yet?
decimation: asciilifeform: I certainly understanding that having firmware in hand is not a full defense against diddling, but it is a strong start
asciilifeform: trinque: as a rough guide, expect it to cost around what your computer cost.
asciilifeform: (deliberately roomy set of bounds here, yes)
trinque: yep
decimation: raspberry pi or xeon server?
trinque: as the thing has no real alternative.. should command a price that reflects it
asciilifeform: trinque: understand that the first crate will be given to mircea_popescu, who has the unenviable chore of deciding precisely what to do with it
trinque: ah k
mircea_popescu: i've had worse.
asciilifeform tries to picture this 'worse'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what are we looking at here, product available by autumn ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if our manufacturing phriends continue their good work, then very much so. incidentally i am in the process of investigating a possible alternative firm
asciilifeform: just in case.
mircea_popescu: cool.
asciilifeform really wishes presently that someone might fix the engine in therealbitcoin train, because presently it appears to only move when i push it
asciilifeform: for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ?
asciilifeform: it is necessary for, e.g., pogo
asciilifeform: and overall retardation removal
mircea_popescu: lol conductor's fallacy eh.
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: jurov's trying to get you folks to stop ruining his mailer an mod6's been profiling to quote jus' off top of head
cazalla: how's this.. muh bank uses this select 3 icons from 9 icons as 2FA when logging in except they've recently changed all the icons except the 3 i use to login
trinque: probably did that for everbody, and made some distinction about "legacy" icons or some nonsense
trinque: re: bitcoind thread, I'm a hair above useless in C++, and also swapping heavily; however, maybe a page on the foundation site for available missions might help?
mircea_popescu: lulzy
trinque: as somebody who might have an afternoon here or there, that plus the right sequence of patches to get to whatever the present state is would help me contribute time efficiently
mircea_popescu: trinque it's a republic not a corporation, ppls are supposed to pick up stuff they're good at and a good fit for
mircea_popescu: corporation is "gotta give everyone something to fill their company hours with"
asciilifeform: l0l
trinque: yeah, that makes sense
asciilifeform fondling argentine 100 peso banknote in left hand, notices mention of 'social justice' on one side
trinque: probably no easy way to make the deturding casual side-work
asciilifeform: l0l what do you suppose it is for me
trinque: hey man, you lamented the lack of hands
trinque: I suspect we all have to eat
trinque: however, when the republic starts its first software company give me a holler :D
asciilifeform: eh you need money for that
trinque: actually, I guess the ministry of games takes that cake
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform el minimo respeto!
asciilifeform falls d0wn
mircea_popescu: trinque speaking of which, game got icons! for all the... 1k!!11 items involved.
mircea_popescu: and player models.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
trinque: nice
trinque: I downloaded it for to be checking out maybe this weekend
mircea_popescu: nah not released yet.
trinque: ah ok
mircea_popescu: that's an old version, 0.1 will be coming out!
trinque: found a link somewheres
trinque: sweet!
mircea_popescu: currently it's 0.0.4 iirc
decimation: !up liquidassets
liquidassets: Can't wait to lose the chaff when they go on their fork
liquidassets: https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/how-the-great-fork-will-occur-160f0e462371
danielpbarron: liquidassets, nice work
liquidassets: I'm mostly spectator for now
liquidassets: but it's interesting to watch
liquidassets: plenty of skin in the game..
liquidassets: you know what this world lacks? at least the world I've grown up in..?
liquidassets: discernment
liquidassets: no one knows who the fuck knows what they're actually talking about
liquidassets: no one knows how to shut their mouth, put their head down, and follow.
danielpbarron: speaking of which, get in the WoT
liquidassets: Or discern what is what or who is real
mircea_popescu: liquidassets who're you ?
liquidassets: mirchea_popescu: right here
liquidassets: ok..uncloaked this time again..unsure about my gpg skills
liquidassets: I always seem to lose the ability to log on..seems I have the best luck with the link to irc #b-a from the mainpage
liquidassets: but have had a terrible time using colloquy from my desktop
mircea_popescu: ;;google colloquy
gribble: Colloquy: IRC, SILC & ICB Client: <http://colloquy.info/>; COLLOQUY | Loyalty Talks: <https://www.colloquy.com/>; Colloquy | Definition of colloquy by Merriam-Webster: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colloquy>
liquidassets: ok, here goes: newb me..liquidassets this time
mircea_popescu: i think everyone here uses xchat or irssi
mircea_popescu: !up liquidassets
danielpbarron: handle 20 MB blocks right now.
danielpbarron: do support bigger blocks and sooner rather than later. But we cannot
danielpbarron: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34157036/ >> Hello. I am from F2Pool. We are currently mining the biggest blocks on the network. So far top 100 biggest bitcoin blocks are all from us. We
decimation: pete_dushenski: are you still in der Schweiz?
liquidassets: fuck yeah Pete's here
liquidassets: pete_dushenski: I remember when I beat you 15-0: 15-0 weren't you at that Vancouver tournament?
danielpbarron: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: thx dan !
pete_dushenski: liquidassets eh ?
pete_dushenski: i'm guessing you mean badminton, but i don't recall having ever played in vancouver
liquidassets: Heh he, so you remember then
pete_dushenski: not that i was never bagelled.
liquidassets: okay maybe you got a few points
pete_dushenski: liquidassets would i remember your irl name ?
liquidassets: Looks like you do..?
pete_dushenski: lol nope.
liquidassets: oh nvrmind dan p..
pete_dushenski: i played tournies in montreal, winnipeg, saskatoon, calgary, edmonton... and golf tournaments in victoria... but i really dun think i played badminton in vancouver.
liquidassets: hmm maybe not, but you look pretty familiar, I'm almost certain we were at a few of the same tourneys
liquidassets: I've played in Montreal and Calgary if I remember correctly, I know for sure I was in Quebec
liquidassets: we're talking 96' maybe..
pete_dushenski: then you're mistaken, my man.
pete_dushenski: i was playing 5-10 years later.
liquidassets: did you start later?
pete_dushenski: decimation yup, au lausanne aujourd'hui
liquidassets: yeah I was done by 2000
decimation: sounds like a nice place
pete_dushenski: decimation finally get to lean on my french a bit !
pete_dushenski: liquidassets later than what ?
decimation: heh yeah isn't the north and central more german-speaking?
pete_dushenski: 2000 ? ya
pete_dushenski: decimation mhm
pete_dushenski: though in bern, everyone says "merci"
pete_dushenski: instead of danke
pete_dushenski: even though hardly anyone but bartenders speaks a lick of french
pete_dushenski: liquidassets did you ever win any tournaments ?
liquidassets: Any? sure
pete_dushenski: such as ?
liquidassets: I thought for sure we played doubles at some point. Haven't been into it for awhile
liquidassets: no big tournaments..actually I won one mixed doubles international tournament. My partner I was set up with was from Taipei
pete_dushenski: liquidassets well, the "p" surname doesn't really give me much to go on.
liquidassets: you were talking to the other dan...
pete_dushenski: when ? where ? be specific man. we don't have to dance around all day
mircea_popescu: laters mob
liquidassets: Manhattan Beach used to have an international badminton tournament every year
pete_dushenski: adios mp !
liquidassets: Canadians always made a showing, Peru, Argentina, Taipei, Jamaica..
liquidassets: ever go to it?
pete_dushenski: can't say i did.
liquidassets: How far did you take it? Were you on a national team or did you just fuck around in high school?
decimation: !up liquidassets
decimation: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: thx decimation
decimation: np
pete_dushenski: liquidassets played nationals 3 times, played club tournaments for 7-8 years, played college and won a few tournaments, won high school provincials
pete_dushenski: "I know most blocks would not be 20 MB over night. But only if a small fraction of blocks more than 10 MB, it could dramatically increase of our orphan rate, result of higher fee
pete_dushenski: to miners." << suck it, gavin.
pete_dushenski: there's your consensus for you.
pete_dushenski: there's your "community"
pete_dushenski: that, a trillion sm accounts, and $5 buys you coffee
liquidassets: pete_dushenski what game did you like better singles or doubles?
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pete_dushenski: liquidassets i was always a better doubles player. i'm too big, too white, and my size 12s are too slow to compete in singles.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00034311 = 8.2861 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: i was a strong defensive doubles player in my heyday.
pete_dushenski: today, i'm in better physical shape and can play singles and offensive doubles just as well.
liquidassets: Haha nice
pete_dushenski: though my joints don't have the endurance to play 10 games in a day anymore so i just play for fun once a week or so.
pete_dushenski: liquidassets were you more proficient at singles or doubles ?
pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out
liquidassets: Doubles is more technical and more fun to play, by 16 I was hardly mediocre in singles at the international level
pete_dushenski: notbad.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00033777 = 5.8772 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15934 @ 0.00032933 = 5.2475 BTC [-]
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mircea_popescu: on the topic of "the broken husk of a world the imbeciles born before us left behind", and the sacrifices ~IT~ must make to redeem itself and become acceptable for us, http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/#comment-114388
mircea_popescu: chick has an excellent description (in her area of interest) that is not merely of the area in question, but of the world in general
mircea_popescu: which is the common and imo sensible criterion to distinguish the artist from the common (wo)man : the world in a raindrop effect.
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mircea_popescu: and in otherr news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/147ea479fbb07dce5fdc500b8e0466f2/tumblr_mlq5ceoTQT1qz8guyo1_500.gif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00033135 = 3.349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19343 @ 0.00033135 = 6.4093 BTC [-]
scoopbot_revived: OKCoin Ver Dispute Escalates http://qntra.net/2015/05/okcoin-ver-dispute-escalates/
cazalla: that is probably the worst tumblr link i've yet to see in here
mircea_popescu: cazalla nice.
mircea_popescu: haha, why ?
mircea_popescu: "raffic which is claimed by Zhang to be around 2500 unique visitors per day." lulziest part.
cazalla: because not even samuel l jackson had that in mind when he said he eats everything
cazalla: fuck, got my zhous and zhangs mixed up
mircea_popescu: you never ate a chicks nose drool ?
cazalla: these guys just moved on from alibaba to bitcoin it seems
cazalla: not consciously but hey whatever pleases you
cazalla: you do all sorts of crazy shit on that sherm eh
mircea_popescu: apparently.
cazalla: watched that last night, at least for the first time in full, not a bad movie
mircea_popescu: true romance ? it's great, provided you have the director's cut
mircea_popescu: what the studio released is piss. and the comparison an interesting exercise in how "management" can fuck up a movie even when having everything needed for greatness in a neat package.
cazalla: well shit, i'm not sure which copy i have
mircea_popescu: does it end with them on a beach ?
cazalla: yeah, with a kid
mircea_popescu: piss.
cazalla: what's the difference, just the ending?
mircea_popescu: some bits here and there, and the ending, yeah.
mircea_popescu: but qt was fucking incensed at the time, and i agree he had a point.
chetty: I been hearing an ad for a TV show ...Dark Web, apparently all about Silk Road
cazalla: mr robot?
cazalla: 8chan.net/pol is pretty sure that one is about them
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJNZF3LR0VM
mircea_popescu: cazalla kinda what adolescents have been doing since forever, neh ? pick a movie/music video/whatevs and imagine it was "about them".
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cazalla: well it wouldn't be the first time tv writers have use chans for story lines
mircea_popescu: or vice-versa >D
cazalla: yeah that too.. other idea is that the writers are shitposting about their show to drum up some viral marketing type shit knowing that /pol/ will and has run with it
mircea_popescu: anyway, in fairness what i'm saying is that i don't believe that chan is impressive enough in bodycount to constitute a market anyone would wish to cater to, creating the tv version of hot topic, nor intellectually impressive enough to constitute anyone's thought leadership.
mircea_popescu: but i could be wrong on either score, obviously.
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mircea_popescu: if you feel like giving me a top 5 or whatever most relevant ideas coming out of /pol/ i'd read it.
cazalla: 5 might be a little tough
mircea_popescu: i'll take anything.
cazalla: well i guess the multi-culti immigration might be a start, not that i mind immigrants but i think they are somewhat right in that it undermines social trust in a community
mircea_popescu: this is by no means a novel point, or all that aptly expressed there, is it ?
cazalla: i just see my own anecdotes mirrored there.. grew up in a homogeneous society where everywhere knew everyone.. 25 years later that is no longer the case
cazalla: but then the argument usually veers towards this being the fault of jews
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cazalla: but then that is sorta like blacks blaming whites for their predicament
mircea_popescu: well at least it's not blaming the freemasons.
mircea_popescu: or loose women
cazalla: they blame both of those too
mircea_popescu: (actually, there IS a trend of angry older men trying to make these issues about "whores", but general social discourse's keeping them well repressed atm)
mircea_popescu: ahga.
cazalla: they blame loose women for the down fall of the family unit
cazalla: don't get me wrong.. i like the idea of a strong family unit.. but i also like the idea of loose whores provided the strong family doesn't find out
mircea_popescu: anyway i suspect there isn't a way out. historically, the "civilised world" was rich and powerful because it enjoyed a monopoly on trade, built out of scientific and military effort. the twerps in question, joe average, decided to quit supporting the industrial-military complex (chiefly because they got burned twice in 16-18 and then in 39-44, and it hurt badly, esp the 2nd time, and so it's understandable)
mircea_popescu: as a result, it collapsed, and as a result there is absolutely no reason they should make more than a dollar a day.
mircea_popescu: which is where everyone's headed, from alabama to tasmania.
mircea_popescu: which i don't see any problem whatsoever with, but then again i'm privileged, or as alf put it, "rootless kosmopolitanski"
cazalla: so i still read /pol/ daily but i can easily point out where i am hypocritcal on just about everything discussed there.. do as i say, not as i do sort of thing is really what it comes down to
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mircea_popescu: the question of "what exactly is so speshul about joe doe that he should live other than in a hovel like random nigerian" is paramount, and none of the anti-imigration types seem inclined to address it.
mircea_popescu: so... why is he special ?
mircea_popescu: once we get an answer to that we can start discussing how to oppress the nigerian again, at which point "immigration policy" may be on the agenda. not befoar.
mircea_popescu: and the family unit is more of the same. why should 85% have any access to women at all, and why should the 1% not get 94% of all the pleasantly nubile stoyas out there, with the remainder 6% going to the 14% aspirational betas ?
cazalla: well he's not special and in saying that, i'm not special, but i like but can't explain my desire of social cohesion, which is why i like the hitler videos with endless crowds
mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.
cazalla: i don't have egalitarian values so that the minority get the majority of anything does not bother me
mircea_popescu: cazalla there is something to be said for social cohesion, the problem with it is that it tends to flow towards all-germany / all-russia sort of constructs.
mircea_popescu: either trench warfare or "great leap forward" sorta crap.
mircea_popescu: society (as an immanent beast in human affairs) is scared to death of it, these days. i can see why.
mircea_popescu: i suspect for a while yet the only real social cohesion to be head will be in mmorpg raiding parties.
mircea_popescu: had*
mircea_popescu: previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow, which i find very weird.
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cazalla: i would guess because the last thing that matters is the music.. it's all seating arrangements etc now
cazalla: tickets, cds, tshirts.. it's an expensive hobby these days
mircea_popescu: maybe so
cazalla: mmorpg raids is an interesting thought.. i wonder what race demos of that is
mircea_popescu: i personally care a lot more about the fact that there are no movies/bands/anything worth going to see
mircea_popescu: than the fact that some random immigrant's drooling over random 16yo neighbour.
cazalla: my problem with immigrants is that i grew up knowing my neighbours, my community, it was homogeneous and everyone knew everyone (also was a small town)
mircea_popescu: broadway's fucking dead, think about it - it was born out of the need to provide entertainment on the cheap for the hordes of stated insland escapees
cazalla: in the suburbs just outside the city there is none of that and the idea that you know who lives around you is a foreign idea to everyone i've met down here
mircea_popescu: and now... what ? da fuck does it do.
mircea_popescu: cazalla well the idea of community based on geographic proximity / random accident like that is certainly taken a beating on account of the internets. used to be you had a shot at random neighouring cunt just on the grounds of being neighbouring, at some point.
mircea_popescu: nowadays location's nigh on irrelevant.
cazalla: yes i remember a trilema article along the lines of this
cazalla: or maybe it was discussed in logs but made sense in any case
mircea_popescu: prolly was.
cazalla: pol also made it clear that prior generations always had one that came after it which was seen as worse than the one before it, at least until now
mircea_popescu: not true.
cazalla: it's sorta agreed there that this might be the first generation which is more of a pussy than the last
mircea_popescu: human civilisation fails periodically.
mircea_popescu: russia and central europe had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 90s.
mircea_popescu: china had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 30s, that's what the entire revolution was about. china actually has lots of these.
mircea_popescu: pick a country and i'll tell you at least one example.
cazalla: i believe you, just sorta reveals the size of the timeline you and i think on
mircea_popescu: austria had one during friedrich's reign and most of europe had one in the 1790s / 1800s
cazalla: the world began in 1982, didn't ya know? :P
mircea_popescu: ah, there is that.
mircea_popescu: heck, woodstock is exactly this "you suck" moment of the us. much blander than historically the norm.
mircea_popescu: (friedrich of teschen, for the readership. ww1 implosion)
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scoopbot_revived: Tiganii daca erau... http://trilema.com/2015/tiganii-daca-erau/
mircea_popescu: incidentally re https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144 BingoBoingo danielpbarron or anyone still having a shitter acct : tell the girl i'm giving her 1 bitcoin and help her collect ?
mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148454 << lol this should be fun to watch.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 06:10:25; pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out
mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.
mircea_popescu would like to see a pink wv beetle with an avenger gun mounted.
mircea_popescu: "it can do 0-100 in 27 seconds going forward on the engine and 0-100 in 0.5 seconds going backwards on the gun"
cazalla: heh
mircea_popescu: "it also can take out any police vehicle in one shot"
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williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Doing
williamdunne: Done
mircea_popescu: danke
mircea_popescu: !up yang
mircea_popescu: yang what is this fsf thing doing ? is it still even active ?
punkman: http://sakurity.com/blog/2015/05/21/starbucks.html probably how some of the 50% discount starbuck giftcards were created
mircea_popescu: mthreat ^ :D
mircea_popescu: punkman in any case, chasing around these idiots trying to help them is a stupid idea.
mircea_popescu: take their money, let them come here and beg for getting it back.
mircea_popescu: force them to have someone on 24/7 with a valid gpg sign, the works.
mircea_popescu: respect is earned, at the point of a pointed stick.
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punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies
mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.
mircea_popescu: perhaps overly optimistic.
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punkman: best case you get $3.50, worst case you get sued/arrested. doesn't make much sense.
williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness
mircea_popescu: williamdunne none of these shits that figure they own the world.
williamdunne: deedbot http://dpaste.com/16GTVPC.txt
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williamdunne: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/16GTVPC.txt
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: that's the most peculiar invoice i ever saw. yo udon't say who's invoicing, who's being invoiced, it references no contract, how's anyone to use that ? (not that it's any of my business)
mircea_popescu: !rate deedbot- 1 trinque's notary bot.
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williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah, its fairly informal
danielpbarron: !up t
danielpbarron: !up rwg
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147849 i don't see any "venting to the street there" it's supposed to hat the air indoors in winter☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:23:02; assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
jurov: *heat the air... and since it's needed only seasonally, it can be upgraded every summer, i suppose
mod6: <+asciilifeform> for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ? << I was planning to test this on the gentoo box that I built, but it was AWS. I'm going to be picking up a cheap box this weekend to finish up the gentoo guide & then test how it compiles with uclibc afterward. I'm putting in a line about it in the SoBA this month.
mod6: And my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 237452
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [10:29] previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow << it mutated into the 'festival' circuit
asciilifeform: jurov: the article specifically mentioned that the server runs continuously, but the house thermostat controls a selectable vent to the street (hence must be installed on an outer wall)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148530 << i don't remember the turks having had 'instagram' ...☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 10:28:18; mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148572 << i somehow missed the explanation, if there ever was one, re: the how, what, and why of stoya☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 12:02:42; mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148577 << what does mircea_popescu picture american shootouts being conducted with? panzerfaust ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 12:31:23; mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.
asciilifeform: 'The unpleasant part is a guy from Starbucks calling me with nothing like “thanks” but mentioning “fraud” and “malicious actions” instead. Sweet!' << moral: sell it to spammers next time. for btc.
asciilifeform: 'give war a chance' (TM) (R)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148595 << actually i suspect i know why. they want to eat. (there is still a misguided notion floating around that 'disclosure' can get you hired as 'seekoority' business)☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 14:55:44; punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148596 << except that they approximately don't exist. average schmuck knows of nothing like a reasonably safe way to monetize an 0day☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 14:56:17; mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.
asciilifeform: hell, i'm personally sitting on a stash of 0days that i can't do anything practical with.
asciilifeform: and this is likely true for most folks who have even a passing interest in reversing
asciilifeform: if you don't have an 'in' to the correct 'world', you're out in the cold.
asciilifeform: can either publish, anonymously or jailably; or sit on it. those are the choices.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148600 << -nobody- pays anything like what the goods are worth in the underground.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 15:05:18; williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness
asciilifeform: 'bug bounties' are without exception - sad jokes
asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?
asciilifeform: this sorta dovetails into mircea_popescu's 'schmucks can't own gold' article
asciilifeform: see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'
asciilifeform: back to the 0day thing - it is what is known as a 'tournament market.'
asciilifeform: where folks sweat and kill themselves with digging for free, in hopes of getting a few crumbs from the master's table.
asciilifeform: a select few have the meatwot to actually profit.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-03-2015#1064083 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 16:53:09; assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044115 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:25; mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
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chetty: see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'//worthy action
jurov: !up liquidassets
liquidassets: gracias
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/ulbricht-266.pdf << more ulbricht l0lz
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jurov: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/i-crashed-a-wall-street-secret-society.html?mid=facebook_nymag
jurov: lulz
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mod6: ok, drove all over timbuktu and got a rebuilt pos box to test out this gentoo stuff.
ben_vulpes: noice
mod6: let's just hope that it gets the job done :]
mod6: the scary thing is going to be my bill for aws in may
ben_vulpes: those bandwidth charges, eh?
mod6: yeah, used a lot of b/w, but also was running up to 3 different m3.mediums at some points.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe, tho i kinda doubt it. you have any idea what an iron maiden / acdc / aerosmith thing was like ?
mircea_popescu: 100k fucken people. each town. european tour = 20, 30, 50mn sold tickets.
nubbins`: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel 남양주시, 경기도
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: i'd have liked to see AC|DC back in the day
nubbins`: just outside of seoul
mod6: you are?
nubbins`: was
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's this scrawny serbian chick that has and prominently displays the correct female attitude.
mircea_popescu: jurov the thing is based o nsomething like <1% service. if you imagine they can touch every item every year...
mircea_popescu: that's bankruptcy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the turks had scheherezade nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: how do you think gossip was born ?
mircea_popescu: eastern societies' need to distribute the vicarious fucking.
mircea_popescu: mod6 in the 80s sort of thig. yeah.
mod6: yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the alternative is, post it here, turn it into a weapon against the idiots that be.
mircea_popescu: but what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... post it here, turn it into a weapon << as mircea_popescu well knows, weapons do not fight by themselves. (outside of norse legend)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue << let's put it this way. my crops are worth more to me burned than given to kolhoz.
asciilifeform: to friends - sure
asciilifeform: to kolhoz - fuck'em
mircea_popescu: that i can see.
mircea_popescu: but the fetlife thing, for instance, is certainly intended as a standard.
mircea_popescu: i don't need "to eat", certainly not from derpy canadian rottinculo
mircea_popescu: and moreover, blowing a hole the size of their head in their arse is fun.
mircea_popescu: so...
hanbot: hey mircea_popescu check out the mp shrinery http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/realwork/EXPORT/projects/bitcoin/wikipedia/Mircea%20Popescu%20-%20Wikipedia,%20the%20free%20encyclopedia.html
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform rather happy that no one ever wrote a pediwankia page about -him-
felipelalli: stolfi is a Brazilian very known bitcoin hater.
mircea_popescu: the only thing in /wikipedia/ too
asciilifeform: felipelalli: where in the standard taxonomy of 'bitcoin haters' does he fall ?
felipelalli: asciilifeform: see his twitter: https://twitter.com/jorgestolfi
asciilifeform: 'there is only one gold-like element' << wai wat??!
felipelalli: asciilifeform: he is a Computer Science professor, but he is a communist. He think makes no sense to invest into Bitcoin.
felipelalli: His reddit: http://www.reddit.com/user/jstolfi
asciilifeform: !s gallium
assbot: 25 results for 'gallium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gallium
felipelalli: I don't know why he put the Mircea Popescu page in his personal website, but I did realize it before browsing on his page.
asciilifeform: 'validation cost scales as N^2' << wai wat
felipelalli: lol
mircea_popescu: he has a superficial understanding of some issues about at the level of a waiter overhearing a something awful buttcoin center meeting.
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose this is good for the third world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far i am not seeing even 'superficial level of understanding'
mircea_popescu: your standards are too high.
felipelalli: he has many Brazilians followers that support his hatery to Bitcoin. He dedicated his life to spread lies.
mircea_popescu: he's in academia, whadda ya want.
asciilifeform: it is not -strictly- necessary to be retarded to work there
felipelalli: I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose defloration's also not strictly necessary to work at the brothel.
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felipelalli: He says Bitcoin has a "fake scarcity" because there are shitcoins in the market! lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given the world's apparent preoccupation with the bunghole, it is probably not in fact necessary...
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli i don't think anyone seriously cares about this guy anymore than about the average forum lolcow.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://sourceforge.net/blog/gimp-win-project-wasnt-hijacked-just-abandoned
asciilifeform: 'Mirrored projects are sometimes used to deliver easy-to-decline third-party offers, and the original downloads are always available.'
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I agree with you.
asciilifeform: ^ 'sourceforge' replaces winblows exes with malware
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: "tyhey're always available!111"
asciilifeform: ahahahaha.
felipelalli: !s bitcoinxt
assbot: 2 results for 'bitcoinxt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoinxt
asciilifeform: http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-switzerland-privacy-concerns << l0l, zapo moves to nsaland
mircea_popescu: eh, in their case it'd be a relevancy gain
asciilifeform: http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bitcoinland-april-2015.png << 'let's pretend certain things don't exist, maybe they will vanish'
mircea_popescu: hey, it worked with their sex drive...
asciilifeform: what happened to their sex drive? bad blocks ?
asciilifeform: head crash ?
mircea_popescu: it went away
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asciilifeform: !up referredbyloper
trinque: asciilifeform: ^ I think this is one of the agents assigned to you.
trinque: lurking silently
asciilifeform can haz better clownz ?
trinque: heh, no you get silent bob and meowmix
asciilifeform: don't forget mr spam.
trinque: ah yes
jurov: 1mpif
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)
BingoBoingo: <felipelalli> I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches. << Have you seen Animal House, may offer room for finding pride.
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ud7KxL0u--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/q07zwqccwnzkinanp8bg.jpg
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm a bit fuzzy on the rules of the game, but that's the fella who doesn't do any running, no ?
trinque: as a nascent lisper, I run into so many 404s, or if lucky abandoned repositories
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00033515 = 11.4621 BTC [+]
trinque: CLIM in particular seems to have fallen down the memory hole
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I did not watch yet, do you recommend?
asciilifeform: trinque: it didn't help that many clim folks were (are?) using $maxint commercial lisps
trinque: ah I see, this is because of all the dead lisp companies?
asciilifeform: trinque: oddly enough, the two firms in question are alive!
asciilifeform: franz inc. and lispworks
asciilifeform: if you have a spare 5-10k usd, can go play.
trinque: ah ok, lol
trinque: I do not
trinque will play with sbcl and mcclim instead, and see if he can build a back-yard nuke
trinque: this clim model where the UI doodads map directly onto data structures, and the whole thing's practically speaking a REPL with graphics capabilities... I love it
trinque: have to find some way of making use of this stuff in real life
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. In that particular variant that guy doesn't have to run
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: It is a great movie for people who need perspective on their higher education experiences
jurov: !up referredbyloper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46893 @ 0.00033482 = 15.7007 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00033477 = 5.8417 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8EE2B12D71183AE76CC5958CFDF198F9C1F0D10BF65B1118F0A49CF04029B6E8 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63C1658E30A500296C4975B61649B3C3A9C860AC037AC97C845944B85F9F6126 and, wtf, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2DBF4B56A4C68D2C96B10DB9E60CE7D63A35FF1A8BAE1209E2408BE8D7B734F
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: fucking thank you mircea popescu for the story of joshua dratel
funkenstein_: if you was a dwarf i would send thanks by sending my daughters over
funkenstein_: but you'd have to escrow a tidy sum to allay my fears they come back shaven
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12567 @ 0.00033477 = 4.2071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139724 @ 0.00032564 = 45.4997 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19182 @ 0.00033459 = 6.4181 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39677 @ 0.00033938 = 13.4656 BTC [+] {3}