danielpbarron: "This will take some time but getting into the Web of Trust is something I have wanted to do and have been studying for a few months now."
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mircea_popescu: anyone want the clearly very valuable oyvey.eu domain ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project. << risky if it ends up promoting clockpainting.
jurov: ben_vulpes: sell that idea to reddit
mircea_popescu: qntra works very well, at least so far, because everyone's work is fundamentally public, there's no meaning in "writing words' outside of obviously others reading them. so trying to thin out the product as it were is painfully visible and liable to cost whoever does it more than it's worth.
jurov: they can give scamcoins according to time spent there
mircea_popescu: with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent? << this is a well pointed question. it'd seem your business is ass-backwardss : people do the job of computers, and i guess computers do the job of people ?!
trinque: seems just issuing bonuses when times are good is more manageable
trinque: maybe that's applicable to stock as well; just issue shares as you personally see fit
trinque wonders if there are rules on "fairness" in regards to giving employees stock
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trinque: well presumably I own the fucking thing, at least in my own delusion
trinque: I can't just decide a guy has pleased me and give him some?
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mircea_popescu: maybe you don't understand this whole "fairness" concept.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible. << Also as unequally as prose may be weighted, code is especially unequal when it comes to volume versus value.
trinque: seems dangerous to give stock at all then, if there's anything at all on the books about "fairness" to whoever
mircea_popescu: trinque yes, capitalism does not work in the hands of idiots.
mircea_popescu: it's that fabled lightsabre that only lightsabers if wielded by master.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness.
trinque: I suppose I should stop being surprised.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness. << Well with Qntra and prose having editorial controls helps to level the problem. I can not imagine a similar arbiter existing for code.
trinque: the incoherence of it all sets off instinctual rage that if nothing else keeps me hammering away at the wall
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know precisely one place where this approach worked.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you like balzac much, but the only reason the fat lazy fuck exists as a writer is because he had to pay his eternal debts and the newspapers paid by the line.
ben_vulpes: i'm apparently in the unique situation of reading through all code that gets produced in my shop and having more or less everyone's eyes on everyone's product.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that'll scale about as well as "i don't need condoms, i only fuck clean girls"
trinque: ben_vulpes: it just occurred to me that perhaps the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception of who has contributed?
trinque: is that faiaaaiiiirrr? *wiggles eyebrows*
ben_vulpes: you stop it with your mad quest for metriced decisionmaking
trinque: but doesn't have to be flat
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fucks with bigger tits that last longer should be paid more!
ben_vulpes: yeah i do it manually on walks with individual contributors
trinque: asciilifeform: the fuck; you never do peer code review?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform clearly has no peers capable of reading his code
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ben_vulpes: it's actually a manual walking of the shop wot
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque well have you looked at the sort of shit he outputs ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: doesn't what someone is paid quantify it ultimately anyway?
trinque: ben_vulpes: right, internal wot, exactly
trinque: doesn't matter though, nanny bama will burn your house down if you try to introduce hierarchy
mircea_popescu: so i just re-read this article, it's getting to the point where i manage to piss MYSELF off.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if anyone ever trolled themselves off the internet.
trinque: the write on the screen bit -> my sides
mircea_popescu: ahh, i recall the age of the romanian pond, when a bunch of retarded ~romanians~ similarly entertained delusions of, you know, we will HURT THIS GUY!!111
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mircea_popescu: [–]Institutional_Invest 1 point 9 days ago TLDR of this discussion?
mircea_popescu: [–]wonderkindel 5 points 8 days ago Gavin sees a major shitstorm ahead, does not know of any way out, but hopes that cartels of honest miners will materialize to keep the dream wet.
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1vhOTp9 )
trinque: lol @ notch did minecraft in js
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, if honest cartels don't make it we can only hope about "maybe assurance contracts, maybe bonded identies tied to transaction fees"
mircea_popescu: that "assurance contracts" in particular is such insane dumb only hearn could have sprouted it.
davout: they're called difficulty futures goddammit
mircea_popescu: a bunch of derps in beirut getting together and agreeing to have bombed new york is how new york will have been bombed.
mircea_popescu: subjonctive died out in english because it was stupid, time to reimplement it out of javascript and call it something else!
davout: on an other topic, wrt to pogo plug chain sync
davout: i'm kinda hesitating between genius and braindamaged for the following idea: what if the chain gets synced backwards from the top?
davout: see a bunch of nodes sorta agreeing on the same chain tip, take it, work backwards to genesis block easily since you can easily fetch previous block, once done verify chain and get back to usual bzns
davout: asciilifeform: yeah, there's that but unless you're maliciously partitioned away from the legit network it wouldn't be trivial to fool you
davout: you'd kinda notice it quickly too if every other node you ask about this (N-1) block tells you to gtfo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how well that worked for the nationalists is evident everwhere around us!
mircea_popescu: what was the hands-down, no question asked, no doubt possible dominant party and c ultural force of the 1930s ?
mircea_popescu: so what, anihilated by 2020, completely gone by 2050, hopefully we'll be smarter than to do it over.
mircea_popescu: (but to anyone not quite seeing the world for what it is : yes we are at war, and yes the year is about 1944, and yes the fucking nazis are running the fucking concentration camps and invaded russia and so on and so forth. you had no idera about it, but similarly you had no idea about it in 1944. the only reason this is being an issue is because the introduction of the bitcoin tank/bomber/submarine is massively turning
mircea_popescu: the tide, and suddenly all sorts of disparate and previously doomed forces are now converging.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't have known there's such a thing as "french partisans" if there wasn't a 1945, either)
mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.
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danielpbarron: i'll look into doing openbsd later once i get the hang of this
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to
midnightmagic: uh. just for the record, I strongly disagree with plotting the violent overthrow of the USG. I do not, have not, will not, and would not even in the face of violent coercion, consider the use of violent and/or lethal force as a vehicle of governmental change. I am not a seditionist.
midnightmagic: fair game if it's a peaceful choice on the part of people.
midnightmagic: financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood.
decimation: asciilifeform: "nationalism" strikes me as the wrong word here
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decimation: orwell was probably trying to name his enemies, but 'utopian dreamers' seems more fitting
midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i wonder how that works. << drugs are bad mkay ?
decimation: he was the guy who wrote a filesytem; murdered his mail order bridge later
midnightmagic: so. no offence, I'm pretty sure you guys aren't actually real seditionists, but I wanted to be on the record about what I think about violence.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i added it to the bash for you. once jurov or some mod gets around to looking at it it may even show up
joecool: reiser4 is an excellent fs, i used to talk to some of his employees back when i maintained a patchset
mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood. << this is a good principle. however, people starve best if they are surrounded by barbed wire manned by other people firmly decided to escalate force to any degree.
joecool: too bad he had to shove nina in lost+found
decimation: midnightmagic: you would not resort to violence under any circumstances?
mircea_popescu: so... yes. for as long as the usg is willing to die peacefully, it will die peacefully. and if it wishes to try and make a break for it, all the same, it will die bloodily.
midnightmagic: decimation: justified violence can take many forms including self-defence from immediate and credible threats to life and limb.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' << ballas is fundamentally (if perhaps unaware-ly) arguing that it already has. that's where his numerous psychanalisis pieces on the public mindset converge.
ben_vulpes: <midnightmagic> uh. just for the record << lol what inspired this insipid bit of authority pandering?
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: As opposed to what? Pandering to the likes of you?
ben_vulpes: HEY GUISE IM STRONGLY SOMETHING OR OTHER
ben_vulpes: like the first time anyone's ever done so!
mircea_popescu: basically, he's not the right age to run away from home with you vulpes.
mircea_popescu: i am in favour of deposing any kim, just as long as a) it's done violently and b) not by the us.
mircea_popescu: i would like to learn more about how one can make money by renting out the space inside his nose.
trinque: pretty sure the round of patriot legislation covered everything
ben_vulpes: you gotta swear to all sortsa funny stuff
ben_vulpes: including not calling the funny stuff funny
ben_vulpes: don't call the funny stuff funny, midnightmagic, they might erect you your own gibbet
mircea_popescu: In 1981, Oscar López Rivera, a Puerto Rican Nationalist and Vietnam war veteran, was convicted and sentenced to 70 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses. He was among the 16 Puerto Rican nationalists offered conditional clemency by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1999, but he rejected the offer. His sister, Zenaida López, said he refused the offer because on parole, he would be in "prison
mircea_popescu: outside prison." López Rivera is said to be "among the longest held political prisoners in the history of Puerto Rico and in the world." He has been jailed for 33 years, 8 months and 1 day.
mircea_popescu: who knew the us holds the record for "longest held political prisoner"
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you have to excuse me, i come from a jurisdiction where sedition is considered the right and proper attitude of the citizen.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm not surprised by that sort of record. :( Their prison population is a disgrace to humanity.
trinque mumbles something jefferson something... sighs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "he bitchslapped the officer with a large print version of the complete tax code"
midnightmagic: I'm not sure but I think that non-US citizens can't be tried for treason..
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im sure the usg thinks it can do anything it pleases.
trinque: midnightmagic: what in the fuck treason do you think you've committed by being within earshot of a discussion of history
mircea_popescu: Laura Berg, a nurse at a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs hospital in New Mexico was investigated for sedition in September 2005 after writing a letter to the editor of a local newspaper, accusing several national leaders of criminal negligence. Though their action was later deemed unwarranted by the director of Veteran Affairs, local human resources personnel took it upon themselves to request an FBI investigation.
mircea_popescu: Ms. Berg was represented by the ACLU. Charges were dropped in 2006.
mircea_popescu: On March 28, 2010, nine members of the Hutaree militia were arrested and charged with crimes including seditious conspiracy.
mircea_popescu: apparently quite alive and kicking, as a legal device.
mircea_popescu: "Three members pled guilty to possessing a machine gun and were sentenced to time served."
trinque: you know, like raping someone with your eyes
mircea_popescu: 18 U.S.C. § 2384 "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or p
mircea_popescu: ossess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."
mircea_popescu: "The federal government has never won a sedition case against militia-types, white supremacists, or neo-Nazis. Since World War I, they have won numerous seditious conspiracy cases against Puerto Rican independentistas, communists and others on the left, but no one on the radical right has ever been convicted of plotting to overthrow by force of arms the government of the United States."
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic seems you're safe enough here. careful in #gavincoin-assets tho
mircea_popescu: the above being also an interesting consideration for they who wish to argue "the libertards are in charge". pls start from that and let me hear the logic.
trinque: anyone else from the US want to piss himself publically?
mircea_popescu: come to think of it... bitcoin not being money, not really a good... clearly it is a SUBSTANCE, right ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in practice what he did is not really defensible tho.
mircea_popescu: it's not much unlike someone going around trying to pass gavincoin for "real bitcoin", which we don't stand for.
mircea_popescu: We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.‘ << this part is the funniest, incidentally, considering the APPALLING record of usg agents trying to infiltrate a god damnd public channel so far.
trinque: I'm gonna head out; man that pissed me off
mircea_popescu: if oyu carefully read the log, you'll see a couple explicitly exposed tho.
BingoBoingo: So who what's to test qntra's new, more modern CSS?
hanbot: disk space doubles every runtime.
hanbot: are you contradicting internet economists?
hanbot: for the record, i deeply enjoyed the sedition discussion. i vote for asciilifeform as most likely to sedite.
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ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform [] knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity << features, bro
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "block height" << excellent question
ben_vulpes: "git" shows sun march 11 2012 as last commit at ref tagged as v0.5.3
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit << this may be a good idea, if actually something's needed.
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ben_vulpes: toolbox on the table has a top tray and a bottom tray, connected by parallel braces, mounted at identically-spaced points on both trays. trays move on an arc defined by mechanisms constraints.
ben_vulpes: there's an interesting configuration of the trays where the center of gravity of the top tray is balances the CoG of the bottom tray. this requires torquing the whole assembly such that the CoG's go in a funny place.
hanbot: ben_vulpes it's a trap!
mircea_popescu: vulpes is home alone and trying to find alternative passtimes to masturbation.
ben_vulpes: resulting in the thing resting at the unstable point at the top of the arc.
ben_vulpes: anyways, the parallels between how bitcoind only accidentally works and misc odd behaviors of this ancient floppy plastic toolbox are very apparent to me at precisely this moment.
ben_vulpes: a thing i learned about engineering when i was...oh, six...was that the steam engine doesn't just work because doodz sat and tweaked at it until everything went around just rightly.
ben_vulpes: someone *designed* each and every mechanism to work together.
ben_vulpes: if you'll forgive the rant, this is what the satoshi codebase lacks.
ben_vulpes: a coherent vision of how all of the parts interact, the emergent behaviors of the system and a robustish bit of software that can make sense of the system.
mircea_popescu: it was never seriously supposed to work, and it was specifically not intended to be used.
ben_vulpes: once it worked, though, it was doomed to work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well actually, the thing could just look at how much memory it can allocate and then never outpace it.
ben_vulpes: it's almost as though the satoshi codebase were a projection of software that knows how to talk to the one! true! bitcoin protocol.
mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: should really ask for specific blocks and drop all unasked for
mircea_popescu: this ensures that trying to ram-dos the node would require as many different nodes as a fifth of the total number of blocks it can hold.
ben_vulpes: inv cannot be used for block retrieval?
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hanbot: i dunno anything about her ass other than it being in the wrong jurisdiction
hanbot: nah, apparently that one wasn't indecent enough for a year of jail
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cazalla: i remember seeing that and thinking surely it's staged
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BingoBoingo: davout: How is the new Qntra mobile experience?
TomServo: BingoBoingo: Looking very nice over here.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:39:06; asciilifeform: likewise, the orphans thing is an easy ddos vector
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
decimation: I like that line, because it summarizes the activity of about 90% of the american 'security state'
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decimation: !rate midnightmagic 1 is not a seditionist
decimation: asciilifeform: you are a seditionist apparently
decimation: why didn't you bring your concerns to the community so they can try and find a solution together?
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decimation: asciilifeform: how can 20 MB 'load' faster than 20 MB?
decimation: I guess. Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It used to be they couldn't fake as many
decimation: well, apparently no one can inspect anything at the layer below 'libc'
Apocalyptic: <cazalla> wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. // this is outrageous, but not unexpected
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decimation: asciilifeform: most 'modern' libraries have slowly self-banned books
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decimation: they are 'too expensive', and generally disfavored over other 'media' and 'meeting spaces'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But using legs option for the book budget costs time other wise spent in the Herp pile
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> "makes me want to" clearly the intensity of desire is related to the effectuality of results.
BingoBoingo: I believe the technical term is "Circlejerk" as in formally with a bunch of fellows sitting around a bottle of lube they all Herp their Derp
mircea_popescu: decimation> I guess. Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)? << the guy's technical incompetence is not just amusing in itself,
mircea_popescu: maybe they should want really hard for fread to act differently ?
mircea_popescu: where was that bit about ls implementations that take less than half the ram are fat shaming and therefore not allowed ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol they made a new one without all the inconvenient stuff in it ?
mircea_popescu: why does gavin behave exactly like a cheap forum scammor ?
cazalla: i guess OP might've locked the first one but who really knows
mircea_popescu: is it perhaps because the path of evil is really quite narrow ? funel shaped at first, line thin six months later ?
danielpbarron: "The video was leaked by either another student on the OSU campus, or another web cam model from Romania." << from the naked library video thing
mircea_popescu: "If bitcoin costs 4 dollars to teleport "virtual gold" , I'm going to switch to an alt that can allow me to teleport another form of "virtual gold" for a couple pennies."
mircea_popescu: if the world were signficiantly impacted by people whose choices are governed by the difference between 4 bux and "pennies", we could just burn it, for it failed.
mircea_popescu: no wonder he eats shit. i've yet to see food at 4 dollars.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, is that FSF a good troll or what?
decimation: what about the poor russian family who was trying to move 50 bux?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Their optimal solution was actually using Western Union and him buying BTC in Russia where the liwuidity is
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mircea_popescu: "I think we should target somebody with a "pretty good" computer and a "pretty good" home internet connection."
mircea_popescu: the logic of logical logicians, also internet economists and generally stupid fat people.
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BingoBoingo: Or at least somewhat adequate computer for a fifth of cheap whiskey
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the girl contributing to the computer community over at best buy would go "do you want good or do you want pretty ?"
BingoBoingo: I have not tried it, but it seems like the most computer you can get for the equivalent of a fifth of Evan Williams
BingoBoingo: And qntra is now VGA friendly-er for readers
mircea_popescu: "Hello, My name is Manikanteswar, Business Executive Media Buying for Capslock Digital Solutions Pvt Ltd (www.capslocknetwork.com), one of the biggest upcoming Ad Network in the Industry. I'm contacting you as we are looking for inventory like yours and we are ready to discuss the terms of a very profitable partnership. "
cazalla: BingoBoingo has made room for adverts on the left/right side of qntra so we're ready for gaw miners adverts though
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Actually I dunno how to fill those spaces. I just made em. No idea how to fill them.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you (safely) examine the various malware turds that end up in your domain mailbox?
BingoBoingo: Well, eventually is possible for some levels of eventually. We just need companies to emerge which would find advertising on qntra an economic proposition.
decimation: I suspect one can learn much about malware by putting out a few honeypots
decimation: I would guess that most malware is trivally derived from some toolkit
mircea_popescu: "It's hard to take any of his thoughts seriously when he says stuff like 'libertard', which isn't clear what that has to do with his main point, or if he means retarded liberal or libertarian."
mircea_popescu: /r/anarcho-stuff does not like me because it is not directly clear what side of a meaningless debate i favor!
decimation: in theory, a libertarian is in favor of freedom from the state, but in practice they generally find themselves to be enslaved by statist liberals
mircea_popescu: but notice the guy who essentially says, "i can not eat this butter because it doesn't come in a properly labelled box"
mircea_popescu: i have seen this irl, incidentally. lots of traditional products come in no box. such as smoked trout in pine leaf, or a certain type of cheese in pine bark
mircea_popescu: i personally loathe labels and take them off pretty much everything, but apparently the converse mental condition also exists.
mircea_popescu: "you're really good but we can't hire you because no diploma"
mircea_popescu: yep. you need nothing more than your own fucking nose to distinguish cheese.
decimation: asciilifeform: you wouldn't prefer a slice of 'velveeta' to a block of cheddar of known provenance?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'velveeta' iirc isn't even a dairy product << Velveeta is totally a dairy byproduct
decimation: "In 2002, the FDA issued a Warning Letter to Kraft that Velveeta was being sold with packaging that described it as a "Pasteurized Process Cheese Spread",[8] which the FDA claimed was misbranded because the product declared milk protein concentrate (MPC) in its ingredients listing. Velveeta is now sold in the US as a "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product",[9] a term for which the FDA does not maintain a standard of identity, and which
decimation: now, I doubt cheetos contain any actual cheese
BingoBoingo: Cheese food is a plentiful byproduct here.
decimation: I prefer a good sharp cheddar from the southwest uk
trinque: what's the opposite of eugenics?
trinque: anyone who thinks that's food is being slowly turned into a subspecies over the generations
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BingoBoingo: The greatest crime of American cheese is that it is radically overpriced as a nutritional measure of last resort.
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trinque: paybase...walmart...bahahhaha
trinque: I'd rather you do the trilema thing than put ads
gribble: Current Blocks: 341257 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44653742846.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.1915
BingoBoingo: trinque: There is an adspace we tested before. Just a square in the sidebar. The right offer could either get it back or banish it for some time.
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assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:29; asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147565 @ 0.00043983 = 64.9035 BTC [-] {4}
danielpbarron: ;;later tell GunPlay get in #bitcoin-assets (hide your ip first)
danielpbarron: i got a ssd sata drive, a 5400 rpm laptop thing, and a usb3 flashdrive to test
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00042611 = 34.3019 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.0, Best ask: 228.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 228.05, 24 hour volume: 18587.89257310, 24 hour low: 225.52, 24 hour high: 244.98, 24 hour vwap: 233.253251665
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mircea_popescu: <trinque> what's the opposite of eugenics? << cacogenics i'd imagine.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He shooped it. Mock up of how we'd look decked out like some other sites...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132781 @ 0.00042987 = 57.0786 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If he actually dicked with the precarious balance where we don't look like shit on mobile... I'da had some stronger words
BingoBoingo: I just can't wait for someone to dig up the shoop in 2 years and be like "Qntra advertised GAW" which will of course be refuted by the lol'ing here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130200 @ 0.00043422 = 56.5354 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Hey, pete_dushenski You given the new look Qntra a try?
BingoBoingo: But yeah, we also now gently suggest fonts your browser could use...
BingoBoingo: And the menus go to full width when kicked to the bottom on the mobile stuff. Iteration...
BingoBoingo: Also there's an easter egg in the stylesheet text.
BingoBoingo: For the next time I have to link someone the stylesheet because they don't believe it exists.
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol trolled hard
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.0003976 = 15.6654 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "errors" : "Warning: The network does not appear to fully agree! Some miners appear to be experiencing issues." << huh
cazalla: for anyone not in the know, BingoBoingo's work was born of google complaining about our mobile site
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Only listened because they were straight forward and not passive aggressive this time.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> a sent you an email or something? << They indeed did
gribble: Current Blocks: 341263 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1456 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44219270086.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.13882
cazalla: midnightmagic, shots fired! oh.. hang on a sec
mircea_popescu: davout: kakobrekla: dat true << yeh namechanging sucks.
pete_dushenski: that was the error msg from my toy vps node running 0.9.0.3
pete_dushenski: still loading the chain actually. 2 days later at block : 322082
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski generally bitcoind goes into safe mode if it has a bad chain etc. proilly corrupted local data.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: apologies to you for my uncivil language.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the resolution to safe mode being ... ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well the nuclear solution is wipe chain start sync over.
mircea_popescu: jurov: yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints << he actually has a very solid point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you feel like testing a 3rd approach, can you look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty ?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:13:36; mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
pete_dushenski: : Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /root/.bitcoin. Bitcoin Core is probably already running.
pete_dushenski: i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 ...
pete_dushenski: but clearly the supermagickuserfriendly core is a turd so i might as well just go for the real deal
mircea_popescu: "6. You are finished. Breath easy, and live your life in peace knowing you will never have to deal with us again."
mircea_popescu: lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ? << wHERE?
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mircea_popescu: just the lulzof "you are finished". the unintentional open mouth insert foot style of prose.
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pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just noticed that serena is through to the finals
BingoBoingo: Perlboy: Yeah, that's some bullshit. My Money's on Sharapova now, just enough to wipe the previous loss if wins.
mircea_popescu: "The astonishing truth is that despite millions of dollars and hundreds of academic careers psychiatry has made no progress in almost 20 years, let alone ten, a claim no other medical specialty can make, and the truth which cannot be spoken out loud. Hence an exam."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "economy", another us pseudoscience, has made shocking progress the past 20 years :
mircea_popescu: austerity, the definitive solution to all the problems caused by inflation and loose money
mircea_popescu: is now the problem, to be definitivel solved by inflation and loose money.
mircea_popescu: so much progress could hardly fit in a single asshole.
mircea_popescu: "governance" - social "studies" - "earth science" - "economy" - "psychiatry" and "computer science"
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the list of things the us has uncontributed to.
pete_dushenski: “The human mating system is extremely flexible,” Bernard Chapais of the University of Montreal wrote in a recent review in Evolutionary Anthropology. Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy.
mircea_popescu: there's probably a population somewhere in history that actually reproduced by flies carring sperm from splooge puddles into fetid snatches.
pete_dushenski: lol but of course, the retardosearchers go on to make unwarranted conclusions:
pete_dushenski: “Once monogamy has evolved, then male care is far more likely,” Dr. Opie said.
pete_dushenski: Once a monogamous primate father starts to stick around, he has the opportunity to raise the odds that his offspring will survive. He can carry them, groom their fur and protect them from attacks.
pete_dushenski: In our own lineage, however, fathers went further. They had evolved the ability to hunt and scavenge meat, and they were supplying some of that food to their children. “They may have gone beyond what is normal for monogamous primates,” said Dr. Opie.
pete_dushenski: The extra supply of protein and calories that human children started to receive is widely considered a watershed moment in our evolution. It could explain why we have brains far bigger than other mammals.
mircea_popescu: as far as the fabled 17% strictly monogamous cultures go... i very much doubt this ever happened. no culture in history was strictly monogamous for a strict definition of strictly.
pete_dushenski: Brains are hungry organs, demanding 20 times more calories than a similar piece of muscle. Only with a steady supply of energy-rich meat, Dr. Opie suggests, were we able to evolve big brains — and all the mental capacities that come with it.
pete_dushenski: Because of monogamy, Dr. Opie said, “This could be how humans were able to push through a ceiling in terms of brain size.”
mircea_popescu: actually i've not paid any tax dollars, but i appreciate teh intent.
mircea_popescu: in any case ; meat is not particularly energetic. fat is, but fat is widely available outside of animals : one could for instance eat nothing but aguacate and become really really smart - except it doesn't work in practice.
mircea_popescu: so... this guy is discussing interesting and otherwise important matters with all the astuteness of a virgin 15 yo girl from nantucket.
mircea_popescu: actually... i guess bernard chapais actually is a 15 yo from nantucket.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, brain size per se is not well related to energetic consumption, nor to cognitive function for that matter. whales have some of the largest brains in the animalia kingdom, and somehow they're not writing stupid papers about 15yo virgin prisses.
pete_dushenski: it's not at all clear that larger brains are the function of a social behaviour, nor why they should be
pete_dushenski: it's where the brain is bigger, not just that it's bigger, that's differentiating
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punkman: re: kendra sunderland, she's just being topless
pete_dushenski: aok so basically random no one is being charged for trespassing on campus property
pete_dushenski: Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni, 79, a physicist and naturalized citizen from Argentina, pleaded guilty in 2013 to espionage-related offenses stemming from a sting in which he told an undercover agent that he could help the Caracas government obtain an atomic bomb, according to the F.B.I. and court records.
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this scam pops up now and again, the sort of salesmen that poach on old ladies selling them 55's years worth of toilet paper supplies and 19 organs join the fbi and proceed to "catch" old / mentally disabled / minorities and other vulnerable people at you know, trying to buy badbombium
mircea_popescu: then completely insane commanding officers fail to sack them and completely insane judges fail to throw the thing out and hold the idiots in contempt for a few years at a stretch.
pete_dushenski: i mean it's one thing to keep an old lady company for a few years, take her to dinner, to the doctor's, end up in her will
mircea_popescu: no time to cook dinner anymore, mcd's gotta do. "i ordered takeout. what ?! it's still effort!"
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Vexual: reddit also says hashie is tradefortress
Vexual: so where drowned is the same as drowning, we might ise 1/30 s and the smallest apeture, an da neutral filer to suit
Vexual: make it look all dreamy and nice
Vexual: im entirely adverese to ruinin git with music
pete_dushenski: but that doesn't mean author x is going to stake his claim on a stereotype
mircea_popescu: well first off, you introduced a stereotype by discussing jews, so we're going to do stereotypes.
mircea_popescu: how the hell are you going to discuss "jews" unstereotypically.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's a point i suppose. but "stupid people" are subject to the same
pete_dushenski: even if the specific vices thereof are a matter of perspective
mircea_popescu: see, there's a stereotype of a dumb blonde, there isn't a stereotype of a hot blonde.
pete_dushenski: the stereotype of the hot blonde is that she's out of your league
mircea_popescu: even if they're both meaningful constructions, they're not both stereotypical constructions. a good test being, of course, translation.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to it than that. big boobs, tall, a certain mouth shape...
mircea_popescu: she dun has to be surrounded by friends, heck, she's often alone, protected by the magic of her idiot ball
mircea_popescu: anyway, stereotypy's mostly a literary device. the poor man's term of art, if you will.
pete_dushenski: so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ?
pete_dushenski: i guess i just think that people would actually read such a thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the problems of the stereotypical jew : same problem as shared by all middle eastern cultures, from bulgaria to iran : that the woman is overimportant in the culture. unlike the other eastern cultures however, the jew has very little means to address this problem. can't quite start stoning innocent girls in the road.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00039596 = 11.3245 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: myeah. "frantic exertion as a decoy for impotence", as teh tlp guy likes to say
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ? << which term ? and nah, it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to save teh noobs : in no case am i proposing that the bizarro atrocities of the muslims, stereotypically grouped above under " stoning innocent girls in the road" are an effectual approach to the problem [of overrepresentation of woman in their own mental space]. it clearly doesn't work, but then again it's clearly what they're trying. and obviously it's not the god damned women's fault that dudes are all hang
pete_dushenski: the efforts of moslems maybe "clearly doesn't work" at the superficial intention, but it seems to be successful a recruiting new folks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127364 @ 0.00039244 = 49.9827 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eh, recruiting boys to do something sutpid is like finding flies to go on shit.
pete_dushenski: well them islam has the stankiest stink because it's attracting hordes of 'em
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nevertheless, examine teh devices side by side. muslim boy is like "you must wear the tablecloth on your head lest there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head". jew boy is like "mom you must not be disappointed in me or else there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head"
mircea_popescu: it's really not THAT different. which is why they fucking hate each other.
mircea_popescu: more like "the right way to treat neurosis with home remedies"
pete_dushenski: "this is why you should be scared" "no it's not! it's this!"
mircea_popescu: but honestly, either beats the english "if you ever enjoy anything you will die" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how the stupidest of european peoples managed to steal and run off with the stupidest corner of jewish religion
mircea_popescu: it's almost like explorer found ancient tomb, ran off with ancient pee bowl. as a hat.
mircea_popescu: as george costanza once said, "if there's a pinhead in the crowd, i gotta be on top of it"
pete_dushenski: and as home simpson once said, "this is the snack holder where i can put my beverage, or, if you will, cupcake
pete_dushenski: “Human society is so complex that there are different ways of enhancing your reproductive success – some involve being nice and some being nasty,”
pete_dushenski: In some situations, ruthlessness may be necessary. “To be prime minister, you can’t be namby pamby – you need to cut corners and hurt people, and even be nasty to achieve your moral causes,” he says. After all, the dark personalities often have the impulse and the confidence to get things done –even Mother Theresa apparently had a steely side, he says. “You’re not going to help
pete_dushenski: the community will spin in circles being nice to one another
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jurov: midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: i don't see the bash as place to put mollification statements, they need to be funnier. it's in the log already, just have the url handy at all times
jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1662 @ 0.00094999 = 1.5789 BTC [-]
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punkman: same author as cordialminuet, Jason Rohrer.
punkman: he's made some interesting games
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assbot: Changing the direction of the game (and v9 released) (Page 1) / News / The Castle Doctrine Forums ... (
http://bit.ly/1zqKYVu )
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mats: wow, rcons is awesome compared to ncurses, wtf
mats: portable, small code base, no special compilations to support mice and certain colors, supports html output, supports truecolor on all platforms
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coderwill: anyone looking for a frontend dev / ux designer in here? i'm trying to find identify and hopefully work with more closely aligned people in 2015 - without moving. :)
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mats: get in the wot, yo.
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assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039592 / 0.00044337 (6182344 shares, 2,447.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00042314 / 0.00053193 (14651525 shares, 6,199.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00049707 / 0.00068113 (43044769 shares, 21,396.27 BTC)
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ben_vulpes: "I feel bad suggesting that we limit the block size at all," << there. another knife.
ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.7199 BTC. Current weight: 43,121.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79690 @ 0.00038133 = 30.3882 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: for some reason the "upload a public key" feature for aws has gone missing.
mircea_popescu: jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise << i thought it was pretty funny.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics. <<< that's not even it. a princeton graduate that lives in amherst mass and has suckled the usg privilege tit all his life to the exclusion of anything else is going to make it so we can't verify bitcoin transactions or integrity anymore in order to "save africa" by allowing them microtransactions they don't either nee
mircea_popescu: a more laughably clear cut of usg-ism i've never seen, and it's utter defeat and public ridicule will do a lot not only to preserve bitcoin as "the noose that hangs the usg", but moreover as a focal point for all people who would rather live an actual life.
mircea_popescu: this isn't about one idiot guy going around at parties dressed up as satoshi. this is about how americanism failed and fails, at home and abroad.
mircea_popescu: time for something new and something better than "let's break everything so some black guy i've imagined feels better about his life".
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1zIyjAo )
mats: The reddit wallet, should it have existed, had absolutely enormous potential. The goal was to make it really easy for redditors to have and transact in digital assets, particularly bitcoin, dogecoin, and reddit notes, as well as any other assets using whatever protocol we ultimately used for reddit notes (probably colored coins or sidechains).
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jurov: i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre
mthreat: greetings from Livingston Island, Antarctica
mthreat: well, from the boat at the moment
mthreat: slow internet, i may be able to get 1 pic up
mthreat: but it probably is the same as all the other pics out there :)
mircea_popescu: mats redditors transacting, enormous potential, top kek.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.38179557 BTC. Current weight: 52,784.
mircea_popescu: nah, this is actually a known 2011 issue. that was obv never fixed
BingoBoingo: jurov> i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre << Same here
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trinque: BingoBoingo: later yelled at me that he wasn't american, and also leave britney alone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the march fork yielded a lot of that too
assbot: On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1EwLHJ0 )
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punkman: he's talking about the open source stuff
fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
☟︎ fluffypony: eg. I don't think they created Go or AngularJS because they felt benevolent
mircea_popescu: just because google has been measurably more successful at embrace, extend and extinguish foss than say microsoft
cazalla: clearly you've never heard the saying "always bet on black"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, twice i believe
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm still all time +ev against serena, but it always stings losing in the now. Nice Shitbrain worm >> Ascaris cerebrofoetida
cazalla: BingoBoingo, who are you figuring to win tonight? djokovic or murray? i want to bet opposite to you :P
mats: mr magic is worried about being gassed by agents of the enemy
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I don't really know men's tennis. Kind of a sport for the girlies.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More the sort of necessary evil that would need invented.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis. << Ah, phonics gets me again
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ben_vulpes: conformal, btcd, compiling << btcd won't even compile on a vps with ~600 mb of ram. OOM kill.
fluffypony: don't you just run Go apps, without precompiling them?
ben_vulpes: i'm no expert with their ecosystem, so i may be doing it wrong.
fluffypony: I have an API for a service I run that is written in Go, and that's 'go server.go', no compiling
hanbot: that's why you were so aghast over gossipd.go?
hanbot: i guess that's a highlight for artifexd
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ben_vulpes: fluffypony: doesn't really cover the apparently epic dependency graph of btcd
ben_vulpes is trying to decide how much he cares about running btcd
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punkman: "open source as long as the chinese don't copy it"
danielpbarron: might be my crappy laptop; i may just make a fresh gentoo install just for this
danielpbarron: that's not the problem; the script doesn't change directory properly after the permission error
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's trying to do a chain reorg and failing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform go can be statically compiled can it not ?
mircea_popescu: definitely lost: 22,000 bytes in 250 blocks indirectly lost: 360,903 bytes in 10 blocks possibly lost: 90,514,354 bytes in 256 blocks 115,924,858 bytes in 450,368 blocks << this is the fucking sorriest report, like it's cs 101 over here.
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mircea_popescu: "Now i see. Gavin announced chaos and drama to the press because he himself intends to create it. He gets a 30% veto and still wants to proceed. It's gonna rip. I just switched to Litecoin."
mircea_popescu: heh. the first part is true, obviously. not so sure about the 2nd. bitcoin is after all based on drama and lulz.
mircea_popescu: qntra and derivatives totally dominates teh discussion.
mircea_popescu: not really linked it, which is weird mfa sorta behaviour.
thestringpuller: one of them iirc was "Gavin Proposes Pooping Out New Fork"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Tell then their link doesn't work. A url encased in parenthesis can not be clicked.
thestringpuller: It's like trying to replace the wheels on an old steam engine that's still running.
thestringpuller: This is gonna be some ride for the folks back in 3rd class.
BingoBoingo appreciates that my doubt an edgerouter with 512 MB of RAM could make a Bitcoin node and a week later a serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive direction.
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ben_vulpes: i sent one of the guys out to get me a cheese yesterday. "cheddar, sharp, really solid, aged."
cjc: Thanks for the voice -- managed to discover this channel while reading an article critical of increasing the block size.
cjc: Figured the discussions herein may be worth my idling.
ben_vulpes: cjc: there's also log.bitcoin-assets.com
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i do so love nasty stinky cheeses << Hypothesis, functionally smarter people prefer cheese with more smell because it indicates the presence of more, varied catecholamine precursors the brain craves.
ben_vulpes: cjc: wouldn't stand for "chicago journal of commerce" by any chance?
mircea_popescu: cjc read the logs, linked in topic. there's a search function too.
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assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1zINIRn )
cjc: mircea_popescu, thank you :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself.
cjc: ben_vulpes, no cjc are merely my initials.
cjc: /msg NickServ INFO cjc
cjc: I've also nabbed the first/last initials as a nick and grouped them too.
mircea_popescu: cjc since you've apparently been around for a while : any merit to teh rumous of freenode slowly going to shit ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself. << I've accepted that the American conditioning to remove all the flavors if it isn't explicitly done to cultivate stupid, continues with stupid accepted as a positive side effect.
cjc: mircea_popescu, The node I connect to in Chicago has been down inconveniently quite a bit in 2014, morgan.freenode.net. My observation of #freenode staffer availability in the past two months has been it is hit or miss for new users requesting cloaks and such.
cjc: Yes, when I started coming here before I registered my nick in 2003 --
cjc: There were developers here and like minded people seeking collaboration.
cjc: We now find many more casual users with a "multi-chat" Facebook type desire to use the network.
cjc: Its not really held up to the focus as established, perhaps due to insufficient moderation or self enforcement.
cjc: What are your thoughts?
mircea_popescu: seems to me kinda drifting without rudder, hoping it won't meet any serious icebergs.
cjc: Frankly, Freenode would be akin to one of the last standing freenets of the early 90s. If there was ever a problem with regard to insufficient support for the network monetarily --
cjc: I do not believe there would be a problem soliciting donations from users who find this the place to host their projects and to meet and talk with others about the same.
cjc: Channel population hasn't changed too dramatically in the last decade in #gentoo where I spend most of my time.
mircea_popescu: there was recently a problem with a nsa infiltration that's still being "investigated".
mircea_popescu: there's more to money than just getting five thousand people to send you ten bux.
cjc: lol, yes its an obsessive compulsive compatible OS
cjc: mircea_popescu, I did not apparently catch the news with regard to NSA infiltration.
cjc: I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the issues I experienced with morgan.freenode.net this year.
danielpbarron: lol thestringpuller, that last frame was me last night :/
cjc: I do recall this article now that you mention it.
mircea_popescu: (doctors don't sleep either. allegedly for different reasons._)
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cjc: How does BingoBoingo work, am I grand a 30 minute one time voice in the channel and then able to simply lurk?
mircea_popescu: cjc if you're in assbot's wot, you get to voice yourself. if not, people who are can voice you in half hour chunks.
cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo :)
cjc: Cool, thanks -- Mostly, I'm around overnight hours in CST -- as I work 3rd shift.
cjc: I was on one of these Trilema pages earlier today, but didn't understand what the Lord of Bitcoins page was all about when I landed there linked from an article.
mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes im thinking, at first conference dinner... we have roast party ?
cjc: During the articles critical of G.A., the above page was linked to... along the way, I discovered this channel.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you'd better come up wioth good shit, i already have some fucking killers for you mr.
mod6: mircea_popescu: sure!
mircea_popescu: go out all over portland and date until you find a funny woman.
ben_vulpes: so is it a round robin roastage? everyone roasts in turn?
mod6: wait... does this mean a roast of meat? or of personalities?
ben_vulpes: i think as host you should be c3's target
mod6: oh jeeze. lol. i'd be terrible at that.
ben_vulpes: man talk about insider baseball this shit's not even going to be proofable against other humans
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mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tell you to spend all day typing ruby or w/e you do. boost.
ben_vulpes: not only do you intend to pauperize me but also demoralize
mircea_popescu: not in the sense of, women. in the sense of, mindboggling challenges.
mod6: here i was all excited. like "YES PIG ROAST TIME!!!"
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is not legal in argentina to convene more than six people outside of the presence of roasted meat.
mircea_popescu: they come read you the meat riot and sedition acts and then start shooting
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mod6: haha. imagine a good law.
BingoBoingo: I thought beef and not pigs is what the Argentines roasted
mircea_popescu: they'd roast the vanishingly small african community if those dudes didn't run so fasty.
gribble: Current Blocks: 341376 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45287162310.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.72621
BingoBoingo: Huh, GAW stopped mining and difficulty still looks to be on the upswing.
mircea_popescu: impossibru. who outside of cazalla and anyone thinking could have predicted this!
mats: you mean they weren't mining to begin with? the horror.
davout: ben_vulpes: "oh man argentine blood sausage" <<< yes. please.
davout: danielpbarron cazalla Apocalyptic the railzand guy not only has locked the fork off topic but seems to have started a #b-a log digest bitcointalk thread
davout: mircea_popescu: that does count as food
mircea_popescu: mayb someone should tell him fluffypony was actually looking to payu someone to do this ?
davout: also the qntra mobile is pretty nice!
davout: i'm kinda disappoint that it had to be google telling you
davout: imma go hang out in that 20m new thread, see what lulz may be extracted
mats: this log summary is terrible
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:57:44; asciilifeform: incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:59:10; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark
BingoBoingo: davout: Well google was more the catalyst for doing it now. That and having picked up a Smatr PNohe to actually test on.
davout: qntra is now officially pooping-friendly
davout: cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:13:51; fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
BingoBoingo: <davout> cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string But links to Plsdont://paybase.on.nimp.org
davout: BingoBoingo: what is that? google tells me achtung
punkman: I only remember it's something bad
punkman: probably won't do anything without javascript though
BingoBoingo: davout: Shock site. Basically subject.thatdomain opens a cascade of eye rape and screaming. The popups induce more panic than the classic "pain series"
mircea_popescu: "A sampling of 30% of average forum users isn't the same as 30% of the community, and certainly not the ecosystem. In reality individual users and organizations carry different weight. At the end of the day people who believe in Bitcoin (and invest their money into it) will do what they can to protect that value. The fork which has the most economic value will be the one most likely to survive with confidence of those
mircea_popescu: lmao @forum. it has NOW discovered the importance of stuff.
mircea_popescu: funny how this wasn't a consideration before, because "unanimous."
mircea_popescu: "My understanding is a lot of heavily weighted entities in the ecosystem already support Gavin's proposed course."
mats: i suppose i'm being harsh. it could use better formatting and some context (maybe links to where author commentary refers?).
mats: who is that anyway?
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cazalla: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough?
punkman: cazalla, what are you looking for?
cazalla: umm, not even hobbyist photos really.. punkman i want to get a macro lense for taking photos of the bugs and insects that inhabit my garden.. the mantis comment above just reminded me
mats: i've thought about doing summaries for a while, but i've been preempted
punkman: get an adapter for old SLR lenses, and some macro tubes
punkman: what brand is your camera?
cazalla: i've got a nikon, cheaper d3100
punkman: macro tubes and lens with manual aperture/focus will work well
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mircea_popescu: cazalla anything shoul work ok really, get whatever's accessible.
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cazalla: punkman, yeah but i want them from my garden, not on window
cazalla: first time i've grown watermelon and it seems to have attracted some bee that is really yellow, looks great
cazalla: quite a few mantis around after carrot fly too
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punkman: cazalla, hard to do macro from a distance
cazalla: punkman, i can sit and wait until he comes my way :)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though Australia was the sort of place where insects hunt you
punkman: as to the chinese lenses, they mostly work, many don't fill the entire frame though
cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date
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punkman: cazalla, you'll be able to do more stuff with manual lens
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If it can't the exercise would reveal a lower bound to target.
mats: >Hernandez's DNA also was found on a .45-caliber shell casing found in a car he had rented.
mats: Sounds suspiciously like he was wearing the piece 'like a gangsta' and sweat into the damn weapon.
mats: er, bad construction, but you get the idea...
mats: nope, nm, i misread.
danielpbarron: my ubuntu install is too messy and i'm not sure it even supports the cross compiler
jurov: afaik only by crawling
jurov: the urls are reasonably static
mircea_popescu: in the great internet battle pitting idiots against trolls... the trolls are winning.
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mircea_popescu: "all internet security is a slow, half-assed, dubious reimplementation of gossipd. pity gossipd itself doesn't exist yet."
assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal:
http://t.co/oQfE8dIu1s mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if cca 280k this choickes to, what do we do ? what's heron sense say ?
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