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danielpbarron: "This will take some time but getting into the Web of Trust is something I have wanted to do and have been studying for a few months now."
asciilifeform: blocks=144806 bastards=11847 peak=145M
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scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-offer-well-surveilled-online-exchange-zone/
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mircea_popescu: !up berndj
mircea_popescu: !up Takeshi
mircea_popescu: anyone want the clearly very valuable oyvey.eu domain ?
mircea_popescu: lol cpt buttarms
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project. << risky if it ends up promoting clockpainting.
jurov: ben_vulpes: sell that idea to reddit
mircea_popescu: qntra works very well, at least so far, because everyone's work is fundamentally public, there's no meaning in "writing words' outside of obviously others reading them. so trying to thin out the product as it were is painfully visible and liable to cost whoever does it more than it's worth.
jurov: they can give scamcoins according to time spent there
mircea_popescu: with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible.
mircea_popescu: jurov kinda what they do already no ?
jurov: well, yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent? << this is a well pointed question. it'd seem your business is ass-backwardss : people do the job of computers, and i guess computers do the job of people ?!
trinque: seems just issuing bonuses when times are good is more manageable
trinque: maybe that's applicable to stock as well; just issue shares as you personally see fit
trinque wonders if there are rules on "fairness" in regards to giving employees stock
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mircea_popescu: "everyone must get the same"
trinque: jesus
trinque: mircea_popescu: really?
mircea_popescu: well what ?!
trinque: well presumably I own the fucking thing, at least in my own delusion
trinque: I can't just decide a guy has pleased me and give him some?
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mircea_popescu: maybe you don't understand this whole "fairness" concept.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible. << Also as unequally as prose may be weighted, code is especially unequal when it comes to volume versus value.
trinque: seems dangerous to give stock at all then, if there's anything at all on the books about "fairness" to whoever
mircea_popescu: trinque yes, capitalism does not work in the hands of idiots.
mircea_popescu: like gpg. like everything else worth using.
mircea_popescu: it's that fabled lightsabre that only lightsabers if wielded by master.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness.
asciilifeform: pay for quantity or time is how the fabled 'indian coder' came about.
asciilifeform: (the notion was once taken to extremes in that country)
trinque: I suppose I should stop being surprised.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness. << Well with Qntra and prose having editorial controls helps to level the problem. I can not imagine a similar arbiter existing for code.
asciilifeform: time is the less immediately-suicidal variant - all you end up with is a clock-watcher and a lighter wallet
trinque: the incoherence of it all sets off instinctual rage that if nothing else keeps me hammering away at the wall
asciilifeform: 'weight' is the killer
asciilifeform: you have to live with... the code. afterwards.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know precisely one place where this approach worked.
asciilifeform: 'The practice is pervaded by the reassuring illusion that programs are just devices like any others, the only difference admitted being that their manufacture might require a new type of craftsmen, viz. programmers. From there it is only a small step to measuring "programmer productivity" in terms of "number of lines of code produced per month". This is a very costly measuring unit because it encourages the writing of insipid
asciilifeform: code, but today I am less interested in how foolish a unit it is from even a pure business point of view. My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger.'
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you like balzac much, but the only reason the fat lazy fuck exists as a writer is because he had to pay his eternal debts and the newspapers paid by the line.
ben_vulpes: i'm apparently in the unique situation of reading through all code that gets produced in my shop and having more or less everyone's eyes on everyone's product.
asciilifeform: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html
assbot: Page not found | Computer Science Department The University of Texas at Austin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhLve1 )
asciilifeform: 'On the cruelty of really teaching computing science' (dijkstra)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that'll scale about as well as "i don't need condoms, i only fuck clean girls"
ben_vulpes: i was just about to say.
trinque: ben_vulpes: it just occurred to me that perhaps the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception of who has contributed?
trinque: is that faiaaaiiiirrr? *wiggles eyebrows*
mircea_popescu: trinque hey, you're really building teh reddit
trinque: damn it; I did.
ben_vulpes: you stop it with your mad quest for metriced decisionmaking
trinque: but doesn't have to be flat
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fucks with bigger tits that last longer should be paid more!
asciilifeform: the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception << l0ll!!!
ben_vulpes: yeah i do it manually on walks with individual contributors
trinque: asciilifeform: the fuck; you never do peer code review?
asciilifeform: nope
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform clearly has no peers capable of reading his code
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ben_vulpes: it's actually a manual walking of the shop wot
ben_vulpes: hm.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque well have you looked at the sort of shit he outputs ?
ben_vulpes: WHATEVER
trinque: mircea_popescu: doesn't what someone is paid quantify it ultimately anyway?
mircea_popescu: 4mb bitcoind that doesn't fucking work etc.
trinque: haha
trinque: ben_vulpes: right, internal wot, exactly
trinque: doesn't matter though, nanny bama will burn your house down if you try to introduce hierarchy
trinque: I can't process that
mircea_popescu: so i just re-read this article, it's getting to the point where i manage to piss MYSELF off.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if anyone ever trolled themselves off the internet.
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
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trinque: mircea_popescu: which?
mircea_popescu: the last one.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com3690.3 %3692.6 %
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/3280.3 %3282.3 %
assbot: 502 Bad Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOjHbP )
mircea_popescu: ^ check it out, a challenger appears.
trinque: the write on the screen bit -> my sides
mircea_popescu: http://www.donotlink.com/ << btw.
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mircea_popescu: how do you know you REALLY piss people off.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/cnx2cor
assbot: dgerard comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhO67K ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: othar efforts in the same vein.
mircea_popescu: ahh, i recall the age of the romanian pond, when a bunch of retarded ~romanians~ similarly entertained delusions of, you know, we will HURT THIS GUY!!111
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mircea_popescu: because obviously anything's within reach.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile :
mircea_popescu: [–]Institutional_Invest 1 point 9 days ago TLDR of this discussion?
mircea_popescu: [–]wonderkindel 5 points 8 days ago Gavin sees a major shitstorm ahead, does not know of any way out, but hopes that cartels of honest miners will materialize to keep the dream wet.
mircea_popescu: check it out davout, r/buttcoin gets it ?!
ben_vulpes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhOTp9 )
mircea_popescu: lawl
mircea_popescu: it wasn't javascript
mircea_popescu: it was xml.
mircea_popescu: inspired by a returnofkinks.com post.
BingoBoingo: lol
trinque: lol @ notch did minecraft in js
ben_vulpes: returnofkinks << bahahaha
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, if honest cartels don't make it we can only hope about "maybe assurance contracts, maybe bonded identies tied to transaction fees"
mircea_popescu: that "assurance contracts" in particular is such insane dumb only hearn could have sprouted it.
mircea_popescu: do you know how syria could have bombed new york ?
mircea_popescu: ASSURANCE CONTRACTS!
davout: they're called difficulty futures goddammit
davout: XD
mircea_popescu: a bunch of derps in beirut getting together and agreeing to have bombed new york is how new york will have been bombed.
mircea_popescu: subjonctive died out in english because it was stupid, time to reimplement it out of javascript and call it something else!
mircea_popescu: do you know how "the sanctions" destroyed putin ?
mircea_popescu: by washington agreeing with reddit that they did!
mircea_popescu: redditardssurance contracts!
davout: on an other topic, wrt to pogo plug chain sync
asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Materi ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: al facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied.' (orwell/nationalism)
davout: i'm kinda hesitating between genius and braindamaged for the following idea: what if the chain gets synced backwards from the top?
davout: see a bunch of nodes sorta agreeing on the same chain tip, take it, work backwards to genesis block easily since you can easily fetch previous block, once done verify chain and get back to usual bzns
asciilifeform: work backwards to genesis block >> or to perdition
davout: asciilifeform: yeah, there's that but unless you're maliciously partitioned away from the legit network it wouldn't be trivial to fool you
davout: you'd kinda notice it quickly too if every other node you ask about this (N-1) block tells you to gtfo
davout: just my 2 gavincoins
davout: i'm off, laterz
asciilifeform: blocks=180294 bastards=18412 peak=168M
asciilifeform: pogo: 187387
mircea_popescu: davout how do you know what the top is ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how well that worked for the nationalists is evident everwhere around us!
mircea_popescu: what was the hands-down, no question asked, no doubt possible dominant party and c ultural force of the 1930s ?
mircea_popescu: anihilated by 1960.
mircea_popescu: completely gone by 1990.
mircea_popescu: such success...
mircea_popescu: that the socialists are doing the same thing...
mircea_popescu: so what, anihilated by 2020, completely gone by 2050, hopefully we'll be smarter than to do it over.
mircea_popescu: (but to anyone not quite seeing the world for what it is : yes we are at war, and yes the year is about 1944, and yes the fucking nazis are running the fucking concentration camps and invaded russia and so on and so forth. you had no idera about it, but similarly you had no idea about it in 1944. the only reason this is being an issue is because the introduction of the bitcoin tank/bomber/submarine is massively turning
mircea_popescu: the tide, and suddenly all sorts of disparate and previously doomed forces are now converging.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't have known there's such a thing as "french partisans" if there wasn't a 1945, either)
mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !rated danielpbarron
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danielpbarron: i've got archlinux on this thing now
danielpbarron: i'll look into doing openbsd later once i get the hang of this
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://web.archive.org/web/20110125101820/tacomaconfidential.typepad.com/the_murder_book_2008/2010/10/hans-reiser-former-genius-convicted-murderer-and-future-mad-scientist.html << criminal justice mega-lulzmine
assbot: The Murder Book : Hans Reiser: former genius, convicted murderer and future mad scientist? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuBiQp )
asciilifeform: specifically,
asciilifeform: 'At one point, before trial, Hans was offered a three-year-sentence if he pled guilty to manslaughter. He refused and will now serve at least 15 years behind bars.)'
asciilifeform did not verify this
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: the 'plea bargain' thing works by demonstrative public floggings like this
ben_vulpes: former genius?
ben_vulpes: i wonder how that works.
asciilifeform: !b 2 ✂︎
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asciilifeform: it works like this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999195 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to
asciilifeform: modern state claims sovereignty over not only present, future, but also past.
ben_vulpes: satoshi the thought-criminal.
asciilifeform: the easiest, most often reached-for weapon is 'this never happened'
asciilifeform: if it fails, then, 'thought crime'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: there may be an experimental driver.
danielpbarron: oh :<
midnightmagic: uh. just for the record, I strongly disagree with plotting the violent overthrow of the USG. I do not, have not, will not, and would not even in the face of violent coercion, consider the use of violent and/or lethal force as a vehicle of governmental change. I am not a seditionist.
danielpbarron: what about financial overthrow?
midnightmagic: fair game if it's a peaceful choice on the part of people.
asciilifeform: 'if you saw a man drowning, and had the choice between saving him and taking a photo, what aperture and exposure settings would you use ?'
midnightmagic: financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood.
asciilifeform does not expect to outlive usg by very long
asciilifeform: ^ for reasons described in the 'last psychiatrist' essay linked to by mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: if you're actually expecting to 'starve' the state by using bitcoin, you may end up somewhat disappointed. it lives on flesh, not money.
asciilifeform: it is worth reading about ancient slave empires
asciilifeform: particularly relevant here is that of the inca
asciilifeform: who did not (afaik) make use of money, but had extensive system of slave labour (corvee labour, technically, form of taxation) and the closest thing to a totalitarian state they could pull off under their tech level
asciilifeform: complete with collectivized agriculture.
asciilifeform: notably absent from the picture: fiat (or any other) currency, debased or otherwise
asciilifeform: not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to'
decimation: asciilifeform: "nationalism" strikes me as the wrong word here
asciilifeform: but that it is not entirely impossible to find a pill against whatever kind of resistance
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decimation: orwell was probably trying to name his enemies, but 'utopian dreamers' seems more fitting
midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: as described in the mega-super book, 'the art of not being governed' (j.c.scott)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i forget, who is hans reiser ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reiserfs.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i wonder how that works. << drugs are bad mkay ?
decimation: he was the guy who wrote a filesytem; murdered his mail order bridge later
decimation: lol s/bridge/bride
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: killed (reasonably certainly) wife
asciilifeform still uses reiserfs...
midnightmagic: so. no offence, I'm pretty sure you guys aren't actually real seditionists, but I wanted to be on the record about what I think about violence.
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: 4 times is probably enough for the nsa tape
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i added it to the bash for you. once jurov or some mod gets around to looking at it it may even show up
mircea_popescu: pity deedbot's temporarily dead.
asciilifeform envisions meeting midnightmagic at neighbouring gallows: 'but i....'
joecool: reiser4 is an excellent fs, i used to talk to some of his employees back when i maintained a patchset
mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood. << this is a good principle. however, people starve best if they are surrounded by barbed wire manned by other people firmly decided to escalate force to any degree.
joecool: too bad he had to shove nina in lost+found
decimation: midnightmagic: you would not resort to violence under any circumstances?
mircea_popescu: so... yes. for as long as the usg is willing to die peacefully, it will die peacefully. and if it wishes to try and make a break for it, all the same, it will die bloodily.
mircea_popescu: the only point not in contention : it will die.
mircea_popescu: and i will be there to piss on its grave.
midnightmagic: decimation: justified violence can take many forms including self-defence from immediate and credible threats to life and limb.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' << ballas is fundamentally (if perhaps unaware-ly) arguing that it already has. that's where his numerous psychanalisis pieces on the public mindset converge.
asciilifeform: aha
midnightmagic: wolman also agrees
asciilifeform: presently the corvee labour is proxy, through taxation and debasement
asciilifeform: if these somehow hiccup - then direct.
ben_vulpes: <midnightmagic> uh. just for the record << lol what inspired this insipid bit of authority pandering?
mircea_popescu: hey, guy's entitled to his own position.
ben_vulpes: i'm just amused at the presentation
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: As opposed to what? Pandering to the likes of you?
mircea_popescu: zing.
midnightmagic: please.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no, srsly, that was good >D
ben_vulpes: it'd be cool man!
ben_vulpes: like the first time anyone's ever done so!
ben_vulpes: you could be the first! best!
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: let's all xxxxxxxx.
ben_vulpes: normally i'm brushed off like a fly.
ben_vulpes: it's your lucky day!
mircea_popescu: basically, he's not the right age to run away from home with you vulpes.
ben_vulpes: shame, that.
asciilifeform notes for the record (tm) that he is not in favour of deposing glorious fuhrer kim jong un, as that would be criminal, seditious, murderous, immoral...
mircea_popescu: possibly also not the right gender.
ben_vulpes: nah, plenty of labor to go around.
ben_vulpes: solar troughs don't build themselves.
mircea_popescu: i am in favour of deposing any kim, just as long as a) it's done violently and b) not by the us.
asciilifeform: hey kakobrekla, can we have a '! oath <argument>' - returns 'plotting or fomenting the physical murder of <argument> is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.'
asciilifeform: e.g.,
mircea_popescu: i would like to learn more about how one can make money by renting out the space inside his nose.
asciilifeform: !oath kennedy
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is sedition actually still a crime
ben_vulpes: yup!
trinque: pretty sure the round of patriot legislation covered everything
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled it
ben_vulpes recently filled out passport paperwork
mircea_popescu: oh there's that.
ben_vulpes: you gotta swear to all sortsa funny stuff
trinque: good ol enabling act
ben_vulpes: including not calling the funny stuff funny
ben_vulpes: don't call the funny stuff funny, midnightmagic, they might erect you your own gibbet
asciilifeform: that's the thing with sucking state cock, it's infinitely long
mircea_popescu: In 1981, Oscar López Rivera, a Puerto Rican Nationalist and Vietnam war veteran, was convicted and sentenced to 70 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses. He was among the 16 Puerto Rican nationalists offered conditional clemency by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1999, but he rejected the offer. His sister, Zenaida López, said he refused the offer because on parole, he would be in "prison
mircea_popescu: outside prison." López Rivera is said to be "among the longest held political prisoners in the history of Puerto Rico and in the world." He has been jailed for 33 years, 8 months and 1 day.
asciilifeform: throat - finitely deep
mircea_popescu: yep, check it out.
midnightmagic: sedition has never not been a crime.
mircea_popescu: who knew the us holds the record for "longest held political prisoner"
asciilifeform: ;;google treason never prospers for the reason
gribble: Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharing173129.html>; Treason - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Treason>; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Harington_(inventor)>
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you have to excuse me, i come from a jurisdiction where sedition is considered the right and proper attitude of the citizen.
mircea_popescu: and has been, for centuries.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm not surprised by that sort of record. :( Their prison population is a disgrace to humanity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly that.
trinque mumbles something jefferson something... sighs
ben_vulpes: nah, give up trinque
asciilifeform: at least we can take copies of 'declaration of independence' (the u.s. one, not mircea_popescu's...) to jail now
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh I have
asciilifeform: at least if 'it was not used in the commission of the crimes'
trinque: still, he said that much
asciilifeform: (as per the barrett brown sentence)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "he bitchslapped the officer with a large print version of the complete tax code"
asciilifeform: pretty sure complete copy would leave a man not only dead but street pizza
midnightmagic: I'm not sure but I think that non-US citizens can't be tried for treason..
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im sure the usg thinks it can do anything it pleases.
trinque: midnightmagic: what in the fuck treason do you think you've committed by being within earshot of a discussion of history
mircea_popescu: Laura Berg, a nurse at a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs hospital in New Mexico was investigated for sedition in September 2005 after writing a letter to the editor of a local newspaper, accusing several national leaders of criminal negligence. Though their action was later deemed unwarranted by the director of Veteran Affairs, local human resources personnel took it upon themselves to request an FBI investigation.
mircea_popescu: Ms. Berg was represented by the ACLU. Charges were dropped in 2006.
mircea_popescu: On March 28, 2010, nine members of the Hutaree militia were arrested and charged with crimes including seditious conspiracy.
mircea_popescu: apparently quite alive and kicking, as a legal device.
mircea_popescu: erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian.
asciilifeform: hutaree charges were dropped, iirc
asciilifeform: they may have been an unsuccessful 'death ray' gambit.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: !s new york death ray
assbot: 10 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray
asciilifeform: ^ intro for n00bs
mircea_popescu: "Three members pled guilty to possessing a machine gun and were sentenced to time served."
asciilifeform: odd
asciilifeform: ianal, but that's a 5-year minimal
mircea_popescu: well who knows what happened thar.
mircea_popescu: ah, plea bargain.
asciilifeform: at this point one can probably 'plea bargain' to witchcraft
asciilifeform: or killing president garfield
trinque: "seditious intent"
asciilifeform: 'erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian' >>>>> 'every day a new reason not to want to be dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a flap of skin'
trinque: you know, like raping someone with your eyes
mircea_popescu: 18 U.S.C. § 2384 "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or p
mircea_popescu: ossess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."
mircea_popescu: immunity granted by gtfo.
mircea_popescu: "The federal government has never won a sedition case against militia-types, white supremacists, or neo-Nazis. Since World War I, they have won numerous seditious conspiracy cases against Puerto Rican independentistas, communists and others on the left, but no one on the radical right has ever been convicted of plotting to overthrow by force of arms the government of the United States."
asciilifeform: just don't sail on a flagless semi-submersible boat.
mircea_popescu: or, apparently, by not being a libertard.
asciilifeform: or work in a nuclear program
asciilifeform: these - apparently - are specifically (inverse?)extraterritorial
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic seems you're safe enough here. careful in #gavincoin-assets tho
mircea_popescu: the above being also an interesting consideration for they who wish to argue "the libertards are in charge". pls start from that and let me hear the logic.
trinque: anyone else from the US want to piss himself publically?
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: you won't be going to jail for sedition. it'll be something more prosaic, like 'conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance'
asciilifeform: (do you have a garage? garden shed? did you take chemistry in school? probably guilty.)
mircea_popescu: come to think of it... bitcoin not being money, not really a good... clearly it is a SUBSTANCE, right ?
mircea_popescu: it gotta be something.
mircea_popescu: so therefore...
trinque: it's economic warfare
asciilifeform: !s financial terrorism
assbot: 0 results for 'financial terrorism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=financial+terrorism
asciilifeform: http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bernard-von-nothaus-the-domestic-terrorist-you-can-call-a-hero/2013/09/11
assbot: Bernard von NotHaus: The 'Domestic Terrorist' You Can Call a Hero ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfjTYb )
asciilifeform: ^ him
asciilifeform: ‘Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country. We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challen
asciilifeform: ge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.‘
asciilifeform: (prosecutor)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in practice what he did is not really defensible tho.
mircea_popescu: it's not much unlike someone going around trying to pass gavincoin for "real bitcoin", which we don't stand for.
asciilifeform: nothaus was a diagnosable idiot
asciilifeform: just the right candidate for 'death ray'
asciilifeform: but, interestingly, http://www.nysun.com/editorials/beyond-bernard-von-nothaus/88958
assbot: Beyond Bernard von NotHaus - The New York Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ckyr9z )
trinque: ;;gettrust midnightmagic
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask midnightmagic!~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic. Trust relationship from user trinque to user midnightmagic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=trinque&dest=midnightmagic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=midnightmagic | Rated since: Mon Mar 7 15:45:54 2011
mircea_popescu: We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.‘ << this part is the funniest, incidentally, considering the APPALLING record of usg agents trying to infiltrate a god damnd public channel so far.
trinque: I'm gonna head out; man that pissed me off
asciilifeform still thinks we get the discount-shelf infiltrators here
asciilifeform: srsly, e.g., mr. spam ?
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: horvath's just an eager idiot.
mircea_popescu: if oyu carefully read the log, you'll see a couple explicitly exposed tho.
asciilifeform: i remember the dude from ro
mircea_popescu: such lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to eat brb
BingoBoingo: So who what's to test qntra's new, more modern CSS?
hanbot: that sucks.
asciilifeform: blocks=183670 bastards=23739 peak=206M
asciilifeform: pogo: 187845
asciilifeform: inference, with only a small leap, is that orphanage-burner testatron would have oomkilled precisely one time, had it ran under 128M constraint
asciilifeform: the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit
asciilifeform: this would require replacement of allocator (as suggested in thread from 2 days ago)
asciilifeform: who the hell writes a program as hungry as this, that is entirely unaware of its own resource consumption and lacks any feedback mechanism ?
asciilifeform knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity
hanbot: disk space doubles every runtime.
asciilifeform: hanbot: figure in question is ram footprint
hanbot: that triples.
asciilifeform: not in the experimental 'orphanage burner' build
hanbot: are you contradicting internet economists?
asciilifeform: l0lz
hanbot: for the record, i deeply enjoyed the sedition discussion. i vote for asciilifeform as most likely to sedite.
asciilifeform hoists jolly roger: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D )
asciilifeform: ^ also happens to explain the memory thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: happen to remember what block height was at the time 0.5.3 was current? if this is in the log, i have utterly failed to find it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: dude from ro?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74500 @ 0.00040996 = 30.542 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform [] knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity << features, bro
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "block height" << excellent question
ben_vulpes: "git" shows sun march 11 2012 as last commit at ref tagged as v0.5.3
mircea_popescu: 0.5.3 was march-ish 2012. about 170k
mircea_popescu: nah pretty sure it was spring.
ben_vulpes: march *is* spring
mircea_popescu: o nm i read the 11th as a month
mircea_popescu: march yes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit << this may be a good idea, if actually something's needed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00040626 = 22.7709 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: needs replacement std::allocator - proggy is not normally aware of own footprint
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ben_vulpes just observed an interesting
asciilifeform: even if for some peculiar reason it were not possible to reduce consumption, the thing ought to know when about to be killed - and shoot itself in the head with some decorum, rather than wait
ben_vulpes: toolbox on the table has a top tray and a bottom tray, connected by parallel braces, mounted at identically-spaced points on both trays. trays move on an arc defined by mechanisms constraints.
asciilifeform has one of these
ben_vulpes: there's an interesting configuration of the trays where the center of gravity of the top tray is balances the CoG of the bottom tray. this requires torquing the whole assembly such that the CoG's go in a funny place.
hanbot: ben_vulpes it's a trap!
mircea_popescu: vulpes is home alone and trying to find alternative passtimes to masturbation.
ben_vulpes: resulting in the thing resting at the unstable point at the top of the arc.
ben_vulpes: i'd post a pic but...le "smart"phone.
ben_vulpes: anyways, the parallels between how bitcoind only accidentally works and misc odd behaviors of this ancient floppy plastic toolbox are very apparent to me at precisely this moment.
ben_vulpes: a thing i learned about engineering when i was...oh, six...was that the steam engine doesn't just work because doodz sat and tweaked at it until everything went around just rightly.
ben_vulpes: no
ben_vulpes: someone *designed* each and every mechanism to work together.
ben_vulpes: if you'll forgive the rant, this is what the satoshi codebase lacks.
ben_vulpes: a coherent vision of how all of the parts interact, the emergent behaviors of the system and a robustish bit of software that can make sense of the system.
mircea_popescu: dude.
mircea_popescu: it's a prototype.
mircea_popescu: it was never seriously supposed to work, and it was specifically not intended to be used.
mircea_popescu: but... "the community"
ben_vulpes: once it worked, though, it was doomed to work.
ben_vulpes: "software never fails", and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well actually, the thing could just look at how much memory it can allocate and then never outpace it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah.
ben_vulpes: kinda fascinating
ben_vulpes: it's almost as though the satoshi codebase were a projection of software that knows how to talk to the one! true! bitcoin protocol.
mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !up teek
ben_vulpes: should really ask for specific blocks and drop all unasked for
mircea_popescu: this ensures that trying to ram-dos the node would require as many different nodes as a fifth of the total number of blocks it can hold.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's not how this works tho
ben_vulpes: pardon?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: pardon?
mircea_popescu: you don't ask for bloicks
ben_vulpes: inv cannot be used for block retrieval?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: straight to jurov's www
mircea_popescu: yeh
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=
assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9q3cd )
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: the testatron just now outpaced the 'pogo.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, you're writing me a letter right ?
asciilifeform: yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92785 @ 0.00041141 = 38.1727 BTC [+]
hanbot: friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/ ☟︎
assbot: Kendra Sunderland Admits To Filming Library Sex Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOZxyb )
mircea_popescu: is she the short sweet ass ?
hanbot: i dunno anything about her ass other than it being in the wrong jurisdiction
mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z_FoybKuEX4/U5kM8U4ojmI/AAAAAAAAE3Q/aEy-LTb80Wc/s1600/steph-kegels-library-cam-1.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yP0rLh )
mircea_popescu: her.
mircea_popescu: best library slut so far.
hanbot: nah, apparently that one wasn't indecent enough for a year of jail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00041625 = 2.8513 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: she takes it pretty far, eventually is all naked
mircea_popescu: clearly enjoying herself too, which goes a long way
cazalla: i remember seeing that and thinking surely it's staged
mircea_popescu: doubt it.
mircea_popescu: the budgets these girls make work...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70971 @ 0.00043627 = 30.9625 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: davout: How is the new Qntra mobile experience?
TomServo: BingoBoingo: Looking very nice over here.
BingoBoingo: TomServo: Thanks.
cazalla: wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.0
assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtsZ75 )
mircea_popescu: lolwut
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998153 << solution: only signed packets get to initiate transactions on your node? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:39:06; asciilifeform: likewise, the orphans thing is an easy ddos vector
decimation: lolz "Implicit in the the nature of the location an the assertion of the police station being a "safe space" for conducting commerce is that this location open 24 hours a day and 7 days per week is under constant surveillance." << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979013 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
mircea_popescu: heh
decimation: I like that line, because it summarizes the activity of about 90% of the american 'security state'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00041625 = 19.8551 BTC [-]
trinque: mobile qntra looks great!
BingoBoingo: Thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100982 @ 0.00042291 = 42.7063 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10295619#msg10295619 << mega-lol
assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKXNph )
asciilifeform: so -that- was the 'run into the ground' thing
asciilifeform was never able to read the phorum for more than a few min. at a stretch
decimation: !rate midnightmagic 1 is not a seditionist
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8e94f27ac151c909
asciilifeform: 'Any more information on this? The fact that he is secretly building 10k nodes on a network with 7k active nodes and dropping is a concern in itself and makes me want to support Gavin's hardfork even more so.'
asciilifeform chokes from lulz
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FEMWNP.txt )
decimation: asciilifeform: you are a seditionist apparently
asciilifeform: how classy
decimation: why didn't you bring your concerns to the community so they can try and find a solution together?
decimation: voice, not exit
asciilifeform: and here i was, thinking i'll have to hang for jaywalking
asciilifeform: 'Gavin's testing of 20MB blocks shows that loading (disk io) for these is 4x faster than 20 1MB blocks.' << did someone actually make this argument ?
asciilifeform: disk readahead caches, etc. evidently never happened?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21819 @ 0.00043956 = 9.5908 BTC [+]
asciilifeform must have awakened in parallel universe
BingoBoingo: New Speak
decimation: asciilifeform: how can 20 MB 'load' faster than 20 MB?
BingoBoingo: Also for inquirers into the new qntra bsns http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#
assbot: Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKZgfq )
asciilifeform: decimation: fragmentation & seek penalty on ancient mechanical drives ?
asciilifeform: decimation: plus an obligatory helping of os brain damage
decimation: I guess. Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)?
asciilifeform: assuming there was any actual comparison
asciilifeform: they sure don't make lying sc4mz0rz like they used to.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It used to be they couldn't fake as many
decimation: well, apparently no one can inspect anything at the layer below 'libc'
asciilifeform: forget the source; evidently, books - do not exist
Apocalyptic: <cazalla> wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. // this is outrageous, but not unexpected
BingoBoingo: Books are for those with a Book budget
asciilifeform: or a set of legs
asciilifeform: libraries - not banned yet
asciilifeform: (though it is being worked on)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53221 @ 0.00041346 = 22.0048 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: most 'modern' libraries have slowly self-banned books
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00040859 = 3.1257 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> so -that- was << myeah lel.
decimation: they are 'too expensive', and generally disfavored over other 'media' and 'meeting spaces'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But using legs option for the book budget costs time other wise spent in the Herp pile
asciilifeform: laugh if you will, but i'm still trying to apprehend what it is 'most people' actually -do- with their time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> "makes me want to" clearly the intensity of desire is related to the effectuality of results.
decimation: derp on irc?
mircea_popescu: (law of attraction)
asciilifeform: just how many hours can one wank in one sitting
mircea_popescu: depends if they touch the wiener or not.
mircea_popescu: if they don't... many.
asciilifeform: doesn't sound like much fun
BingoBoingo: I believe the technical term is "Circlejerk" as in formally with a bunch of fellows sitting around a bottle of lube they all Herp their Derp
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/3OLI0Kx.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIjPOa )
mircea_popescu: decimation> I guess. Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)? << the guy's technical incompetence is not just amusing in itself,
mircea_popescu: but in what it reveals of teh retarded follower set.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should want really hard for fread to act differently ?
asciilifeform: oughta phone poettering.
asciilifeform: he'll help.
mircea_popescu: where was that bit about ls implementations that take less than half the ram are fat shaming and therefore not allowed ?
asciilifeform: was it dan mocsny?
asciilifeform: i definitely recall he was 'advocating' for 'diversity' in petri dishes, in every lab!!!11!! in one post
mircea_popescu: nah some recently linked spoof of feministos
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude those rats are fucking adorkable.
asciilifeform: as with many idiocies, this one may be approaching 'parody event horizon' where the reality is not readily distinguishable from the spoof world
mircea_popescu: right.
cazalla: aaand gavin appears in the new blocksize thread after previous one was locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10315826#msg10315826
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL12NC )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol they made a new one without all the inconvenient stuff in it ?
mircea_popescu: why does gavin behave exactly like a cheap forum scammor ?
cazalla: i guess OP might've locked the first one but who really knows
mircea_popescu: is it perhaps because the path of evil is really quite narrow ? funel shaped at first, line thin six months later ?
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX << The Inclusive not *nix
assbot: The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL16Ne )
danielpbarron: "The video was leaked by either another student on the OSU campus, or another web cam model from Romania." << from the naked library video thing
danielpbarron: the "fork off" thread looks like it was closed by railzand https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10303614#msg10303614
assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIl7sz )
mircea_popescu: "If bitcoin costs 4 dollars to teleport "virtual gold" , I'm going to switch to an alt that can allow me to teleport another form of "virtual gold" for a couple pennies."
mircea_popescu: thjat part was pretty good.
mircea_popescu: if the world were signficiantly impacted by people whose choices are governed by the difference between 4 bux and "pennies", we could just burn it, for it failed.
mircea_popescu: no wonder he eats shit. i've yet to see food at 4 dollars.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, is that FSF a good troll or what?
BingoBoingo: It is indeed a good troll
decimation: what about the poor russian family who was trying to move 50 bux?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, how about the wife starts camming ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Their optimal solution was actually using Western Union and him buying BTC in Russia where the liwuidity is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00040859 = 11.1749 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lmao & gavin
mircea_popescu: "I think we should target somebody with a "pretty good" computer and a "pretty good" home internet connection."
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/you-are-poor-lolz/
mircea_popescu: the logic of logical logicians, also internet economists and generally stupid fat people.
asciilifeform goes to buy a Pretty Good Computer
asciilifeform: do they still have those.
BingoBoingo: Pogo is pretty good computer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113650 @ 0.00040657 = 46.2067 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: seems like BingoBoingo has not tried it yet
BingoBoingo: Or at least somewhat adequate computer for a fifth of cheap whiskey
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the girl contributing to the computer community over at best buy would go "do you want good or do you want pretty ?"
BingoBoingo: I have not tried it, but it seems like the most computer you can get for the equivalent of a fifth of Evan Williams
asciilifeform realized that BingoBoingo could actually get vga on that thing, if he wanted, using one of the ubiquitous usb2 framebuffer boxes
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: And qntra is now VGA friendly-er for readers
asciilifeform: http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/3967421
assbot: HP USB Graphics Adapter - USB video cards - HP: NL571AA ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL1XgT )
asciilifeform ^ has bag of these
mircea_popescu: "Hello, My name is Manikanteswar, Business Executive Media Buying for Capslock Digital Solutions Pvt Ltd (www.capslocknetwork.com), one of the biggest upcoming Ad Network in the Industry. I'm contacting you as we are looking for inventory like yours and we are ready to discuss the terms of a very profitable partnership. "
mircea_popescu: cazalla you folks got one of these ?
asciilifeform: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/FB_UDL.html << driver
assbot: Linux Kernel Driver DataBase: CONFIG_FB_UDL: Displaylink USB Framebuffer support ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL28ZA )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nope
mircea_popescu: hm i guess im speshul
cazalla: BingoBoingo has made room for adverts on the left/right side of qntra so we're ready for gaw miners adverts though
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Actually I dunno how to fill those spaces. I just made em. No idea how to fill them.
mircea_popescu: i dun think qntra is advertising huh.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you (safely) examine the various malware turds that end up in your domain mailbox?
BingoBoingo: Well, eventually is possible for some levels of eventually. We just need companies to emerge which would find advertising on qntra an economic proposition.
decimation: I suspect one can learn much about malware by putting out a few honeypots
asciilifeform: decimation: occasionally
asciilifeform: decimation: not long ago, i did this for a living.
decimation: or just rain buckets
asciilifeform: it wasn't just from one spambox of course.
decimation: I would guess that most malware is trivally derived from some toolkit
asciilifeform: 80-90% of what i saw was a variation on some very tired theme.
asciilifeform: at least half the time - 'zeus' et al.
mircea_popescu: "It's hard to take any of his thoughts seriously when he says stuff like 'libertard', which isn't clear what that has to do with his main point, or if he means retarded liberal or libertarian."
mircea_popescu: /r/anarcho-stuff does not like me because it is not directly clear what side of a meaningless debate i favor!
decimation: in theory, a libertarian is in favor of freedom from the state, but in practice they generally find themselves to be enslaved by statist liberals
mircea_popescu: but notice the guy who essentially says, "i can not eat this butter because it doesn't come in a properly labelled box"
mircea_popescu: i have seen this irl, incidentally. lots of traditional products come in no box. such as smoked trout in pine leaf, or a certain type of cheese in pine bark
mircea_popescu: or on it goes.
mircea_popescu: i personally loathe labels and take them off pretty much everything, but apparently the converse mental condition also exists.
asciilifeform: srsly ?!!
mircea_popescu: "you're really good but we can't hire you because no diploma"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ?
asciilifeform: diploma - sure
asciilifeform: cheese?
mircea_popescu: yep. you need nothing more than your own fucking nose to distinguish cheese.
asciilifeform: i was having this dispute with pet not long ago. whether anyone voluntarily eats synthetic cheese
mircea_popescu: ;;google brinza de burduf in scoarta de brad
asciilifeform: it finds its way into spots where its presence cannot be explained by mere pauperism
gribble: Bucegi Farm: <http://www.ferma-bucegi.ro/en/>; Ferma Bucegi: Branza de Burduf in coaja de brad: <http://www.ferma-bucegi.ro/>; Branza de burduf - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQzXWyxNmxo>
asciilifeform: some folks, it appears, actually insist on it
asciilifeform: through childhood habit, brain damage, or some other cause
mircea_popescu: http://www.informal.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/burduf-3.jpg << this guy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL3MKH )
asciilifeform: incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: you wouldn't prefer a slice of 'velveeta' to a block of cheddar of known provenance?
asciilifeform: 'velveeta' iirc isn't even a dairy product
asciilifeform: 100% petro
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'velveeta' iirc isn't even a dairy product << Velveeta is totally a dairy byproduct
mircea_popescu: hm... i wonder how good of an anal lube it makes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's that made in? a pipe ?
decimation: nah I think it has milk in it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark ☟︎
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform wants
decimation: "In 2002, the FDA issued a Warning Letter to Kraft that Velveeta was being sold with packaging that described it as a "Pasteurized Process Cheese Spread",[8] which the FDA claimed was misbranded because the product declared milk protein concentrate (MPC) in its ingredients listing. Velveeta is now sold in the US as a "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product",[9] a term for which the FDA does not maintain a standard of identity, and which
decimation: therefore may contain MPC."
asciilifeform: i've also seen term 'cheese food'
decimation: now, I doubt cheetos contain any actual cheese
BingoBoingo: Cheese food is a plentiful byproduct here.
decimation: I prefer a good sharp cheddar from the southwest uk
trinque: what's the opposite of eugenics?
trinque: that's what kraft is
asciilifeform: ;;ud cruft
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft | cruft. 1. The dust that gathers underneath a bed, 2. Shoddily constructed or made, 3. Bad code, 4. Accumulated physical or virtual junk. Jim had to spend several ...
trinque: anyone who thinks that's food is being slowly turned into a subspecies over the generations
asciilifeform: ^ specifically the substance that gathers in mice, keyboards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150795 @ 0.00041315 = 62.301 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: ah dysgenics, makes sense
BingoBoingo: The greatest crime of American cheese is that it is radically overpriced as a nutritional measure of last resort.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIqBna )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199700 @ 0.00042386 = 84.6448 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: paybase...walmart...bahahhaha
BingoBoingo: cazalla: That shoop must've taken time
cazalla: 5m if that
BingoBoingo: Well it demonstrates there is space.
trinque: I'd rather you do the trilema thing than put ads
BingoBoingo: Prolly not shooped https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u93qq/gaw_cloud_mining_disabled/
assbot: GAW Cloud Mining Disabled : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIrlbS )
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341257 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44653742846.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.1915
BingoBoingo: trinque: There is an adspace we tested before. Just a square in the sidebar. The right offer could either get it back or banish it for some time.
trinque: yeah that works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102647 @ 0.00044132 = 45.3002 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vKR5rzTB << am i supposed to have installed boost?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9Lvhj )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995064 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:29; asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147565 @ 0.00043983 = 64.9035 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja miss the part about -cross- compiling
danielpbarron: ;;later tell GunPlay get in #bitcoin-assets (hide your ip first)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: build on actual computer.
danielpbarron: lol
danielpbarron: whoops
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9M62D )
asciilifeform: don't need to install anything but the compiler & associated binutils.
asciilifeform: (under gentoo, single command)
asciilifeform: then download tarballs (you don't have to use the same ones i did, necessarily)
asciilifeform: recipe in comments in sh script.
asciilifeform: oh and avoid sd card for blockchain. it is terrible, no good, unusably slow
danielpbarron: i got a ssd sata drive, a 5400 rpm laptop thing, and a usb3 flashdrive to test
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11853 @ 0.00043815 = 5.1934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00042611 = 34.3019 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.0, Best ask: 228.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 228.05, 24 hour volume: 18587.89257310, 24 hour low: 225.52, 24 hour high: 244.98, 24 hour vwap: 233.253251665
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108800 @ 0.00041505 = 45.1574 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: $vwap s.mpoe
mod6 looks around
mircea_popescu: <trinque> what's the opposite of eugenics? << cacogenics i'd imagine.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png << dude wtf is that.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIqBna )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He shooped it. Mock up of how we'd look decked out like some other sites...
mircea_popescu: ah k
mircea_popescu: gave me a start
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132781 @ 0.00042987 = 57.0786 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If he actually dicked with the precarious balance where we don't look like shit on mobile... I'da had some stronger words
BingoBoingo: I just can't wait for someone to dig up the shoop in 2 years and be like "Qntra advertised GAW" which will of course be refuted by the lol'ing here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130200 @ 0.00043422 = 56.5354 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: heyo amigo
BingoBoingo: Hey, pete_dushenski You given the new look Qntra a try?
pete_dushenski checking now
pete_dushenski: lol um... new?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Check on mobile too.
BingoBoingo: But yeah, we also now gently suggest fonts your browser could use...
pete_dushenski: aic
pete_dushenski: ya i suppose the fonts are a little different
pete_dushenski: cool i guess
BingoBoingo: And the menus go to full width when kicked to the bottom on the mobile stuff. Iteration...
BingoBoingo: Also there's an easter egg in the stylesheet text.
pete_dushenski: hey ya not bad
BingoBoingo: For the next time I have to link someone the stylesheet because they don't believe it exists.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35419 @ 0.00043367 = 15.3602 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: i'll get you next time, batman!
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol trolled hard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238608 @ 0.00040534 = 96.7174 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: totally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.0003976 = 15.6654 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: The whole site even validates as latest greatest while still working on actual browsers http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#
assbot: Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9SVB7 )
pete_dushenski: "errors" : "Warning: The network does not appear to fully agree! Some miners appear to be experiencing issues." << huh
BingoBoingo: Even though W3c sucks
cazalla: for anyone not in the know, BingoBoingo's work was born of google complaining about our mobile site
pete_dushenski: wait, google bitched and you listened?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Only listened because they were straight forward and not passive aggressive this time.
pete_dushenski: a sent you an email or something?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin went to safe mode ?
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> a sent you an email or something? << They indeed did
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mebbe ?
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341263 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1456 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44219270086.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.13882
midnightmagic: trinque: I'm not from the US, dumbass.
cazalla: midnightmagic, shots fired! oh.. hang on a sec
mircea_popescu: davout: kakobrekla: dat true << yeh namechanging sucks.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i was not gonna say anything.
midnightmagic: s/dumbass//
pete_dushenski: that was the error msg from my toy vps node running
pete_dushenski: still loading the chain actually. 2 days later at block : 322082
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski generally bitcoind goes into safe mode if it has a bad chain etc. proilly corrupted local data.
pete_dushenski: hm
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: apologies to you for my uncivil language.
mircea_popescu: form's never much of a big deal.
midnightmagic: k
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the resolution to safe mode being ... ?
trinque: my butt's not hurt
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well the nuclear solution is wipe chain start sync over.
mircea_popescu: if it dun go away of its own volition
pete_dushenski: ok i'll give it some time
mircea_popescu: but look in debug.log see wtf.
mircea_popescu: jurov: yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints << he actually has a very solid point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you feel like testing a 3rd approach, can you look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection << yup, that's why b) is in http://log.b-a.link/?date=31-01-2015#999477
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:13:36; mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
pete_dushenski: : Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /root/.bitcoin. Bitcoin Core is probably already running.
mircea_popescu: well so stop one.
pete_dushenski: then it shut itself down
pete_dushenski: i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 ...
pete_dushenski: but clearly the supermagickuserfriendly core is a turd so i might as well just go for the real deal
mircea_popescu: "6. You are finished. Breath easy, and live your life in peace knowing you will never have to deal with us again."
mircea_popescu: lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ?
mircea_popescu: neat.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ? << wHERE?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00039747 = 2.6432 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/#comment-8815
assbot: Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9VrHx )
mircea_popescu: just the lulzof "you are finished". the unintentional open mouth insert foot style of prose.
BingoBoingo: aH
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115795 @ 0.00039487 = 45.724 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3428 @ 0.00040086 = 1.3741 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63872 @ 0.00040904 = 26.1262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193100 @ 0.00039098 = 75.4982 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/#comment-8818
assbot: Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVqlCp )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just noticed that serena is through to the finals
BingoBoingo: Perlboy: Yeah, that's some bullshit. My Money's on Sharapova now, just enough to wipe the previous loss if wins.
mircea_popescu: "The astonishing truth is that despite millions of dollars and hundreds of academic careers psychiatry has made no progress in almost 20 years, let alone ten, a claim no other medical specialty can make, and the truth which cannot be spoken out loud. Hence an exam."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "economy", another us pseudoscience, has made shocking progress the past 20 years :
mircea_popescu: austerity, the definitive solution to all the problems caused by inflation and loose money
mircea_popescu: is now the problem, to be definitivel solved by inflation and loose money.
mircea_popescu: so much progress could hardly fit in a single asshole.
pete_dushenski: thankfully, the number of people have inflated too
pete_dushenski: and each has at least one backdoor
mircea_popescu: "governance" - social "studies" - "earth science" - "economy" - "psychiatry" and "computer science"
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the list of things the us has uncontributed to.
pete_dushenski: + public health
pete_dushenski: “The human mating system is extremely flexible,” Bernard Chapais of the University of Montreal wrote in a recent review in Evolutionary Anthropology. Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy.
mircea_popescu: that much is true.
mircea_popescu: there's probably a population somewhere in history that actually reproduced by flies carring sperm from splooge puddles into fetid snatches.
pete_dushenski: lol but of course, the retardosearchers go on to make unwarranted conclusions:
pete_dushenski: “Once monogamy has evolved, then male care is far more likely,” Dr. Opie said.
pete_dushenski: Once a monogamous primate father starts to stick around, he has the opportunity to raise the odds that his offspring will survive. He can carry them, groom their fur and protect them from attacks.
pete_dushenski: In our own lineage, however, fathers went further. They had evolved the ability to hunt and scavenge meat, and they were supplying some of that food to their children. “They may have gone beyond what is normal for monogamous primates,” said Dr. Opie.
pete_dushenski: The extra supply of protein and calories that human children started to receive is widely considered a watershed moment in our evolution. It could explain why we have brains far bigger than other mammals.
mircea_popescu: as far as the fabled 17% strictly monogamous cultures go... i very much doubt this ever happened. no culture in history was strictly monogamous for a strict definition of strictly.
pete_dushenski: Brains are hungry organs, demanding 20 times more calories than a similar piece of muscle. Only with a steady supply of energy-rich meat, Dr. Opie suggests, were we able to evolve big brains — and all the mental capacities that come with it.
pete_dushenski: Because of monogamy, Dr. Opie said, “This could be how humans were able to push through a ceiling in terms of brain size.”
mircea_popescu: absolute nonsense.
pete_dushenski: this is what taxdollars get you
mircea_popescu: actually i've not paid any tax dollars, but i appreciate teh intent.
mircea_popescu: in any case ; meat is not particularly energetic. fat is, but fat is widely available outside of animals : one could for instance eat nothing but aguacate and become really really smart - except it doesn't work in practice.
pete_dushenski: at least not for south americans
mircea_popescu: so... this guy is discussing interesting and otherwise important matters with all the astuteness of a virgin 15 yo girl from nantucket.
pete_dushenski: but maybe if we keep trying!
mircea_popescu: actually... i guess bernard chapais actually is a 15 yo from nantucket.
mircea_popescu: in any case there's no way to tell the difference.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, brain size per se is not well related to energetic consumption, nor to cognitive function for that matter. whales have some of the largest brains in the animalia kingdom, and somehow they're not writing stupid papers about 15yo virgin prisses.
pete_dushenski: it's not at all clear that larger brains are the function of a social behaviour, nor why they should be
pete_dushenski: right. size isn't the difference.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e3908b614075918afd6d8f4e5ee1d839/tumblr_mu89pmypXh1rjh6r0o1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvM8Dw )
pete_dushenski: it's where the brain is bigger, not just that it's bigger, that's differentiating
pete_dushenski: plus gyri, sulci
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24212 @ 0.00040904 = 9.9037 BTC [+]
punkman: total scam http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1219749240
punkman: re: kendra sunderland, she's just being topless
pete_dushenski: who's she again?
mircea_popescu: steph kegels wanna-be
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999495 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:30:10; hanbot: friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/
pete_dushenski: aok so basically random no one is being charged for trespassing on campus property
pete_dushenski: not quite as bad as this poor old man:
pete_dushenski: Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni, 79, a physicist and naturalized citizen from Argentina, pleaded guilty in 2013 to espionage-related offenses stemming from a sting in which he told an undercover agent that he could help the Caracas government obtain an atomic bomb, according to the F.B.I. and court records.
pete_dushenski: dude just got 5 years
mircea_popescu: !up p15
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113608 @ 0.0003868 = 43.9436 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this scam pops up now and again, the sort of salesmen that poach on old ladies selling them 55's years worth of toilet paper supplies and 19 organs join the fbi and proceed to "catch" old / mentally disabled / minorities and other vulnerable people at you know, trying to buy badbombium
mircea_popescu: then completely insane commanding officers fail to sack them and completely insane judges fail to throw the thing out and hold the idiots in contempt for a few years at a stretch.
pete_dushenski: i mean it's one thing to keep an old lady company for a few years, take her to dinner, to the doctor's, end up in her will
pete_dushenski: but this is pretty low
pete_dushenski: but hey, gotta expect it from the fbi, right?
mircea_popescu: no time to cook dinner anymore, mcd's gotta do. "i ordered takeout. what ?! it's still effort!"
pete_dushenski: so is breathing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00039325 = 37.0835 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: so reddit sez davout = karpeles nao
pete_dushenski: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/cnwhzlv
assbot: Mark_Karpeles_ comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwbzqW )
pete_dushenski: lol mebbe dread pirate est francaise aussi ?
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: reddit also says hashie is tradefortress
pete_dushenski: and that down is up
pete_dushenski: and that capitalism is in crisis
pete_dushenski: and that b-a is under a musty dark bridge somewhere
pete_dushenski: etc
Vexual: so where drowned is the same as drowning, we might ise 1/30 s and the smallest apeture, an da neutral filer to suit
Vexual: make it look all dreamy and nice
Vexual: top logs
pete_dushenski: tippity
Vexual: im entirely adverese to ruinin git with music
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: all yours: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/#comment-9375
assbot: How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuarw )
Vexual: ill misspell instead
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski derps.
mircea_popescu: also, the problem of jooz is very simple :
mircea_popescu: their mother.
pete_dushenski: go on...
mircea_popescu: no, that's it.
pete_dushenski: i get the stereotype: naggy and whatnot
pete_dushenski: but that doesn't mean author x is going to stake his claim on a stereotype
mircea_popescu: nah, that's not it.
mircea_popescu: well first off, you introduced a stereotype by discussing jews, so we're going to do stereotypes.
mircea_popescu: how the hell are you going to discuss "jews" unstereotypically.
mircea_popescu: jurov btw re dicelist : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boggle
assbot: Boggle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuJ4y )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's a point i suppose. but "stupid people" are subject to the same
pete_dushenski: even if the specific vices thereof are a matter of perspective
mircea_popescu: nah, there's no stereotype of stupidity.
mircea_popescu: see, there's a stereotype of a dumb blonde, there isn't a stereotype of a hot blonde.
pete_dushenski: the stereotype of the hot blonde is that she's out of your league
mircea_popescu: even if they're both meaningful constructions, they're not both stereotypical constructions. a good test being, of course, translation.
pete_dushenski: and that she's surrounded by a moat of friends
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to it than that. big boobs, tall, a certain mouth shape...
mircea_popescu: she dun has to be surrounded by friends, heck, she's often alone, protected by the magic of her idiot ball
pete_dushenski: maybe she's alone for a minute
mircea_popescu: anyway, stereotypy's mostly a literary device. the poor man's term of art, if you will.
pete_dushenski: so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ?
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6_T48zd8zg
assbot: Sometimes you make a mistake - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVv6ff )
pete_dushenski: i guess i just think that people would actually read such a thing
pete_dushenski: maybe because you wrote it
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the problems of the stereotypical jew : same problem as shared by all middle eastern cultures, from bulgaria to iran : that the woman is overimportant in the culture. unlike the other eastern cultures however, the jew has very little means to address this problem. can't quite start stoning innocent girls in the road.
pete_dushenski: maybe because it's on trilema
mircea_popescu: and so, he's stuck with liberal binging
pete_dushenski: liberal, if capitalist, binging
pete_dushenski: make $$ now, give it away when dead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00039596 = 11.3245 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: myeah. "frantic exertion as a decoy for impotence", as teh tlp guy likes to say
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol the narrator makes it
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-q_XCDDUF8 << whale's made a video about what mistakes seagulls make.
assbot: Biggest Mistakes Aspiring Models Make | Modeling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWt5R0 )
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ? << which term ? and nah, it doesn't.
pete_dushenski: the term: stereotype
mircea_popescu: anyway, to save teh noobs : in no case am i proposing that the bizarro atrocities of the muslims, stereotypically grouped above under " stoning innocent girls in the road" are an effectual approach to the problem [of overrepresentation of woman in their own mental space]. it clearly doesn't work, but then again it's clearly what they're trying. and obviously it's not the god damned women's fault that dudes are all hang
mircea_popescu: up on them, conceptually, either.
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: the efforts of moslems maybe "clearly doesn't work" at the superficial intention, but it seems to be successful a recruiting new folks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127364 @ 0.00039244 = 49.9827 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eh, recruiting boys to do something sutpid is like finding flies to go on shit.
pete_dushenski: well them islam has the stankiest stink because it's attracting hordes of 'em
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nevertheless, examine teh devices side by side. muslim boy is like "you must wear the tablecloth on your head lest there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head". jew boy is like "mom you must not be disappointed in me or else there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head"
mircea_popescu: it's really not THAT different. which is why they fucking hate each other.
pete_dushenski: that old competition for scarce resources
pete_dushenski: but instead of water or oil
pete_dushenski: it's women to be scared of
mircea_popescu: more like "the right way to treat neurosis with home remedies"
pete_dushenski: "this is why you should be scared" "no it's not! it's this!"
mircea_popescu: obviously, there can only be one.
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: tiger penis soup or cockroach bungholes
pete_dushenski: take your pick
mircea_popescu: but honestly, either beats the english "if you ever enjoy anything you will die" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how the stupidest of european peoples managed to steal and run off with the stupidest corner of jewish religion
mircea_popescu: it's almost like explorer found ancient tomb, ran off with ancient pee bowl. as a hat.
pete_dushenski: the peg fit the hole i guess
pete_dushenski: as it always does
mircea_popescu: as george costanza once said, "if there's a pinhead in the crowd, i gotta be on top of it"
pete_dushenski: and as home simpson once said, "this is the snack holder where i can put my beverage, or, if you will, cupcake
pete_dushenski: homer*
mircea_popescu: lol. anyways, im off. take it ezzy
pete_dushenski: bon soir
punkman: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150130-the-man-who-studies-evil
assbot: BBC - Future - Psychology: the man who studies everyday evil ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWvevY )
pete_dushenski: “Human society is so complex that there are different ways of enhancing your reproductive success – some involve being nice and some being nasty,”
pete_dushenski: In some situations, ruthlessness may be necessary. “To be prime minister, you can’t be namby pamby – you need to cut corners and hurt people, and even be nasty to achieve your moral causes,” he says. After all, the dark personalities often have the impulse and the confidence to get things done –even Mother Theresa apparently had a steely side, he says. “You’re not going to help
pete_dushenski: society by sitting at home being nice.”
pete_dushenski: this is teh take-home point for reddit
pete_dushenski: the community will spin in circles being nice to one another
pete_dushenski: the leaders will not be nice just because of feelings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00039401 = 30.7131 BTC [+]
punkman: http://cordialminuet.com/
assbot: CORDIAL MINUET ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWx28a )
punkman: ^ needs remake with btc
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58032 @ 0.00038291 = 22.221 BTC [-]
jurov: midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: i don't see the bash as place to put mollification statements, they need to be funnier. it's in the log already, just have the url handy at all times
jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20636 @ 0.00037839 = 7.8085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231064 @ 0.00037575 = 86.8223 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1662 @ 0.00094999 = 1.5789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15313 @ 0.00038133 = 5.8393 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174000 @ 0.00037188 = 64.7071 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://thecastledoctrine.net/buy.php ☟︎
assbot: The Castle Doctrine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cl3G4y )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9649 @ 0.00037154 = 3.585 BTC [-]
punkman: same author as cordialminuet, Jason Rohrer.
punkman: he's made some interesting games
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115238 @ 0.00036886 = 42.5067 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: http://thecastledoctrine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=2157
assbot: Changing the direction of the game (and v9 released) (Page 1) / News / The Castle Doctrine Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqKYVu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222200 @ 0.00037701 = 83.7716 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19015 @ 0.00036729 = 6.984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69100 @ 0.00038133 = 26.3499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00036729 = 11.4962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00036729 = 17.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93716 @ 0.00038118 = 35.7227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00036843 = 23.1374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278700 @ 0.00036434 = 101.5416 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119400 @ 0.0003566 = 42.578 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85825 @ 0.00034553 = 29.6551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103950 @ 0.0003293 = 34.2307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48341 @ 0.00033906 = 16.3905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6175 @ 0.00034337 = 2.1203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51749 @ 0.00038133 = 19.7334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44866 @ 0.00038385 = 17.2218 BTC [+]
mats: wow, rcons is awesome compared to ncurses, wtf
mats: portable, small code base, no special compilations to support mice and certain colors, supports html output, supports truecolor on all platforms
mats cheers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00038385 = 12.2448 BTC [+]
PeterL: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-offer-well-surveilled-online-exchange-zone/ second paragraph, s/dan/and
assbot: Police Offer Well Surveilled "Online Exchange Zone" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/18Dba6r )
coderwill: anyone looking for a frontend dev / ux designer in here? i'm trying to find identify and hopefully work with more closely aligned people in 2015 - without moving. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116381 @ 0.00038339 = 44.6193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53022 @ 0.00038339 = 20.3281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83117 @ 0.00038339 = 31.8662 BTC [-]
TomServo: !up wpalczynski
wpalczynski: Hi!
TomServo: Ahoy!
danielpbarron: oh hey it's a monero guy!
wpalczynski: yup :)
mats: get in the wot, yo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252550 @ 0.00038334 = 96.8125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74550 @ 0.00038202 = 28.4796 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61115 @ 0.0003854 = 23.5537 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132685 @ 0.00038699 = 51.3478 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39280 @ 0.0003816 = 14.9892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13780 @ 0.0003816 = 5.2584 BTC [-]
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039592 / 0.00044337 (6182344 shares, 2,447.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00042314 / 0.00053193 (14651525 shares, 6,199.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00049707 / 0.00068113 (43044769 shares, 21,396.27 BTC)
mod6: such vol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113200 @ 0.00038965 = 44.1084 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210532 @ 0.00038198 = 80.419 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: "I feel bad suggesting that we limit the block size at all," << there. another knife.
ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.7199 BTC. Current weight: 43,121.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79690 @ 0.00038133 = 30.3882 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;isup blockchain.info
gribble: blockchain.info is up
mircea_popescu: orly
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIweod )
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/CsIJGkz.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIweV4 )
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: huh
ben_vulpes: for some reason the "upload a public key" feature for aws has gone missing.
ben_vulpes: SUBTERFUGE
mats: o noes
mircea_popescu: jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise << i thought it was pretty funny.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics. <<< that's not even it. a princeton graduate that lives in amherst mass and has suckled the usg privilege tit all his life to the exclusion of anything else is going to make it so we can't verify bitcoin transactions or integrity anymore in order to "save africa" by allowing them microtransactions they don't either nee
mircea_popescu: d or intend to use.
mircea_popescu: a more laughably clear cut of usg-ism i've never seen, and it's utter defeat and public ridicule will do a lot not only to preserve bitcoin as "the noose that hangs the usg", but moreover as a focal point for all people who would rather live an actual life.
mircea_popescu: this isn't about one idiot guy going around at parties dressed up as satoshi. this is about how americanism failed and fails, at home and abroad.
mircea_popescu: time for something new and something better than "let's break everything so some black guy i've imagined feels better about his life".
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/
mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uadvd/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIyjAo )
mats: kek
mats: The reddit wallet, should it have existed, had absolutely enormous potential. The goal was to make it really easy for redditors to have and transact in digital assets, particularly bitcoin, dogecoin, and reddit notes, as well as any other assets using whatever protocol we ultimately used for reddit notes (probably colored coins or sidechains).
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jurov: i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre
mthreat: greetings from Livingston Island, Antarctica
mthreat: well, from the boat at the moment
jurov: wave to penguins
ben_vulpes: pics! nao!
mthreat: slow internet, i may be able to get 1 pic up
mthreat: but it probably is the same as all the other pics out there :)
mthreat: and penguin shit stinks
mircea_popescu: jurov no biggy
mircea_popescu: hey mthreat !
mircea_popescu: mats redditors transacting, enormous potential, top kek.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.38179557 BTC. Current weight: 52,784.
asciilifeform: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: 11DbException \nDb::get: Cannot allocate memory \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n"
asciilifeform: ^ new type of perma-wedge
mircea_popescu: aga
mircea_popescu: which one asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: pogo
asciilifeform: bastard node, is going strong
asciilifeform: interestingly, this did not kill the process
asciilifeform: it just sits.
asciilifeform: i conjecture - corrupted db
asciilifeform: one too many shots.
mircea_popescu: nah, this is actually a known 2011 issue. that was obv never fixed
mircea_popescu: "get more memory!11"
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you kill it ?
BingoBoingo: jurov> i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre << Same here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84210 @ 0.00038117 = 32.0983 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: killed, restarted
trinque: BingoBoingo: later yelled at me that he wasn't american, and also leave britney alone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the march fork yielded a lot of that too
asciilifeform: bastard node is running under 'valgrind', incidentally
asciilifeform: ~12h now
mircea_popescu: good move.
mircea_popescu: what count is it on ?
asciilifeform: 195517
asciilifeform off for tea time, brb
pete_dushenski: scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/31/on-pretending-googling-is-still-a-thing-that-works/
assbot: On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwLHJ0 )
pete_dushenski: that said, i'm heading out for a walk. bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00038117 = 25.5574 BTC [+]
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8977177
assbot: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwMo53 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00038117 = 11.1111 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: guy has a very strange idea as to what open means.
mircea_popescu: nothing google ever made was open.
fluffypony: yeah
punkman: he's talking about the open source stuff
mircea_popescu: except it's not.
fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours ☟︎
fluffypony: eg. I don't think they created Go or AngularJS because they felt benevolent
mircea_popescu: just because google has been measurably more successful at embrace, extend and extinguish foss than say microsoft
mircea_popescu: does not make it part of foss.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, serina eh :P
BingoBoingo: Fuck
cazalla: clearly you've never heard the saying "always bet on black"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: he lost eh ?
mircea_popescu: o wow check out all the s.mpoe action
asciilifeform: it's perma-wedged, in db state.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, twice i believe
asciilifeform: 'So, I have a question - why do we need such an OPEN technologies, that can be BLOCKED tomorrow? Today - it's me, but who knows what will happen tomorrow, and which countries or companies will decide to block their, so called open, tools that you use.'
asciilifeform: ^ cloud111!!!!111
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm still all time +ev against serena, but it always stings losing in the now. Nice Shitbrain worm >> Ascaris cerebrofoetida
cazalla: BingoBoingo, who are you figuring to win tonight? djokovic or murray? i want to bet opposite to you :P
mats: mr magic is worried about being gassed by agents of the enemy
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I don't really know men's tennis. Kind of a sport for the girlies.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo evil eh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis.
asciilifeform: perma-wedge - silently hangs on restart
asciilifeform: with no output.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More the sort of necessary evil that would need invented.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis. << Ah, phonics gets me again
asciilifeform: worm tale << see also short story 'the moral virologist' (greg egan)
asciilifeform: sorta opposite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00037407 = 13.7471 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: conformal, btcd, compiling << btcd won't even compile on a vps with ~600 mb of ram. OOM kill.
ben_vulpes: turdlang indeed.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see thread from hour ago
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: google and 'open'
fluffypony: don't you just run Go apps, without precompiling them?
asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you- ☟︎
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: "go get ..."
fluffypony: that just fetches deps
asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i'm no expert with their ecosystem, so i may be doing it wrong.
asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start' ☟︎
fluffypony: I have an API for a service I run that is written in Go, and that's 'go server.go', no compiling
mod6: ha
asciilifeform: i've been there. was a die-hard user of 'mathematica' for some years
asciilifeform: quitting - was agony.
hanbot: that's why you were so aghast over gossipd.go?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746 << quitting mathematica dope
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1DidCsf )
hanbot: i guess that's a highlight for artifexd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00036757 = 28.4132 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: doesn't really cover the apparently epic dependency graph of btcd
ben_vulpes is trying to decide how much he cares about running btcd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1615 @ 0.00095998 = 1.5504 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/231ZHHC
assbot: dpaste: 231ZHHC: valgrind output of bastard node. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Die6yC )
asciilifeform: compare with: http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ << classical
assbot: dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1DiehcZ )
asciilifeform: classical: 'definitely lost'
asciilifeform: bastard: 'possibly lost'
asciilifeform: clever bugger.
punkman: heh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8977021
assbot: Ask HN: Someone raised money by claiming my project as their own | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIHy3s )
punkman: "open source as long as the chinese don't copy it"
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xfzJYMNJ <-- any suggestions?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dift07 )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what were you building on ?
danielpbarron: might be my crappy laptop; i may just make a fresh gentoo install just for this
danielpbarron: ubuntu 12.w/e :/
asciilifeform: what cross-compiler ?
danielpbarron: arm-linux-gnueabi
asciilifeform: first of all, has to be armv5
danielpbarron: ah hah!
asciilifeform: second - were you using the build script exactly as given ?
danielpbarron: the auto.sh one?
danielpbarron: no, it's modified slightly
asciilifeform: how?
danielpbarron: to change that prefix
danielpbarron: and i had to add "sudo" the make install of BDB
danielpbarron: for some reason
danielpbarron: maybe related to this other thing you pointed out
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: you probably installed bdb systemwide
asciilifeform: instead of local dir as specified in recipe
asciilifeform: same for boost
danielpbarron: it already was
asciilifeform: recipe -specifically- calls for local install
asciilifeform: it's a deterministic build
danielpbarron: right i get that
asciilifeform: which means, 'all that's mine i carry with me'
asciilifeform: like a snail.
asciilifeform: and should very certainly not need sudo-anything
asciilifeform: that's a sure symptom that it was unable to install to specified local dir
asciilifeform: did you create the latter ?
asciilifeform: 'ourlibs'
danielpbarron: yep
asciilifeform: what do you get if removed 'sudo' ?
asciilifeform: post output.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: had typo when restart of wedged pogo, it actually does restart
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but it reliably dies with:
asciilifeform: ************************
asciilifeform: EXCEPTION: 11DbException
asciilifeform: Db::get: Cannot allocate memory
asciilifeform: bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
asciilifeform: ProcessMessage(block, 72417 bytes) FAILED
asciilifeform: received block 00000000000003c67a87
asciilifeform: REORGANIZE
asciilifeform: ^ essentially, exhausts ram on boot
asciilifeform: as soon as loads even one block.
asciilifeform: bdb cache?
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tm3s2qMy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIIXai )
asciilifeform: ./distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: ^ you don't have it?
danielpbarron: that's not the problem; the script doesn't change directory properly after the permission error
danielpbarron: i do have all the tarballs
asciilifeform: remove all the intermediate crap and post output from fresh run
asciilifeform: as in, run with just the tarballs and the required empty dir.
danielpbarron: what about armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi ?
asciilifeform: remember that this is not a 'makefile' and it's brick-stupid
asciilifeform: expects exactly empty start
asciilifeform: gotta go, will be back in a few hrs.
danielpbarron: thank you for the pointers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's trying to do a chain reorg and failing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform go can be statically compiled can it not ?
mircea_popescu: definitely lost: 22,000 bytes in 250 blocks indirectly lost: 360,903 bytes in 10 blocks possibly lost: 90,514,354 bytes in 256 blocks 115,924,858 bytes in 450,368 blocks << this is the fucking sorriest report, like it's cs 101 over here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126850 @ 0.00036757 = 46.6263 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Now i see. Gavin announced chaos and drama to the press because he himself intends to create it. He gets a 30% veto and still wants to proceed. It's gonna rip. I just switched to Litecoin."
mircea_popescu: heh. the first part is true, obviously. not so sure about the 2nd. bitcoin is after all based on drama and lulz.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where did you read that?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10322233#msg10322233
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILlxP )
thestringpuller: ty
thestringpuller: srsly 502 bad gateway?!?
thestringpuller: theymos!!!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/ down too apparently.
assbot: Bitcointa.lk: the Bitcointalk community with a proper forum | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILBwQ )
mircea_popescu: hm.
thestringpuller: this is exactly why we can't have nice things
danielpbarron: interesting timing
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=Bitcoin+20MB+Fork&complete=0 this is pretty lulzy.
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILKAj )
mircea_popescu: qntra and derivatives totally dominates teh discussion.
mircea_popescu: clearly usg has like a majority and shit.
thestringpuller: dude
thestringpuller: bullbear stole my fucking title
thestringpuller: https://bullbearanalytics.com/2015/01/23/looming-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << lol
mircea_popescu: tell him.
thestringpuller: oh he referenced me
thestringpuller: well qntra
thestringpuller: haha cazalla and i spitballed for hours on the title XD
mircea_popescu: not really linked it, which is weird mfa sorta behaviour.
thestringpuller: one of them iirc was "Gavin Proposes Pooping Out New Fork"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Tell then their link doesn't work. A url encased in parenthesis can not be clicked.
danielpbarron: i like the old thread title of "fork off"
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: yea. i wish I was that clever.
thestringpuller: It's like trying to replace the wheels on an old steam engine that's still running.
thestringpuller: This is gonna be some ride for the folks back in 3rd class.
thestringpuller: ^- from cache of link
BingoBoingo appreciates that my doubt an edgerouter with 512 MB of RAM could make a Bitcoin node and a week later a serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive direction.
mircea_popescu: tell me about it.
ben_vulpes: it's downright heartwarming
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00036757 = 16.3569 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.00096835 = 1.9716 BTC [+] {6}
ben_vulpes: i sent one of the guys out to get me a cheese yesterday. "cheddar, sharp, really solid, aged."
ben_vulpes: came back with tillamook extra sharp.
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
ben_vulpes: i do so love nasty stinky cheeses
BingoBoingo: !up cjc
cjc: Thanks for the voice -- managed to discover this channel while reading an article critical of increasing the block size.
ben_vulpes: cjc: which article?
cjc: Figured the discussions herein may be worth my idling.
ben_vulpes: cjc: there's also log.bitcoin-assets.com
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i do so love nasty stinky cheeses << Hypothesis, functionally smarter people prefer cheese with more smell because it indicates the presence of more, varied catecholamine precursors the brain craves.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: interesting hypothesis
ben_vulpes: cjc: wouldn't stand for "chicago journal of commerce" by any chance?
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: cjc read the logs, linked in topic. there's a search function too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.000367 = 19.9465 BTC [-] {2}
cjc: ben_vulpes, This article and the comments and links within it. -> http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zINIRn )
mircea_popescu: that'd be pete_dushenski
cjc: mircea_popescu, thank you :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself.
cjc: ben_vulpes, no cjc are merely my initials.
cjc: /msg NickServ INFO cjc
cjc: I've also nabbed the first/last initials as a nick and grouped them too.
mircea_popescu: cjc since you've apparently been around for a while : any merit to teh rumous of freenode slowly going to shit ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself. << I've accepted that the American conditioning to remove all the flavors if it isn't explicitly done to cultivate stupid, continues with stupid accepted as a positive side effect.
cjc: mircea_popescu, The node I connect to in Chicago has been down inconveniently quite a bit in 2014, morgan.freenode.net. My observation of #freenode staffer availability in the past two months has been it is hit or miss for new users requesting cloaks and such.
mircea_popescu: meant more like over the past half decade.
cjc: Yes, when I started coming here before I registered my nick in 2003 --
cjc: There were developers here and like minded people seeking collaboration.
cjc: We now find many more casual users with a "multi-chat" Facebook type desire to use the network.
cjc: Its not really held up to the focus as established, perhaps due to insufficient moderation or self enforcement.
cjc: What are your thoughts?
mircea_popescu: seems to me kinda drifting without rudder, hoping it won't meet any serious icebergs.
cjc: Frankly, Freenode would be akin to one of the last standing freenets of the early 90s. If there was ever a problem with regard to insufficient support for the network monetarily --
cjc: I do not believe there would be a problem soliciting donations from users who find this the place to host their projects and to meet and talk with others about the same.
cjc: Channel population hasn't changed too dramatically in the last decade in #gentoo where I spend most of my time.
thestringpuller: lol gentoo
mircea_popescu: there was recently a problem with a nsa infiltration that's still being "investigated".
mircea_popescu: there's more to money than just getting five thousand people to send you ten bux.
thestringpuller: http://xkcd.com/456/ << relevant xkcd
cjc: lol, yes its an obsessive compulsive compatible OS
mircea_popescu: but it doesn;t have to be!!
cjc: mircea_popescu, I did not apparently catch the news with regard to NSA infiltration.
cjc: I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the issues I experienced with morgan.freenode.net this year.
mircea_popescu: http://blog.freenode.net/2014/10/server-issues-update/ ☟︎
assbot: Server Issues: Update | staffblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGv9Z4 )
danielpbarron: lol thestringpuller, that last frame was me last night :/
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/mcdonalds-creates-limited-redemption-altcoin/
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: this i must read
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: what were you compiling into your kernel?
cjc: I do recall this article now that you mention it.
danielpbarron: trying to get bitcoind to compile
danielpbarron: "this time i'll work and then i can sleep"
danielpbarron: it'll*
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron welcome to engineering.
mircea_popescu: this is how this profession goes.
mircea_popescu: (doctors don't sleep either. allegedly for different reasons._)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: doctors have you know...drugs
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 217 @ 0.00489784 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2}
cjc: How does BingoBoingo work, am I grand a 30 minute one time voice in the channel and then able to simply lurk?
cjc: s/grand/granted/
BingoBoingo: lol I'm a bot again!
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17A3Y24.txt )
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: !up cjc
mircea_popescu: haha spoiled oyur bash too.
mircea_popescu: cjc if you're in assbot's wot, you get to voice yourself. if not, people who are can voice you in half hour chunks.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/BingoBoingo | http://w.b-a.link/user/BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nope http://dpaste.com/17A3Y24.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPq5d )
mircea_popescu: like that.
cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo :)
mircea_popescu: cjc see also http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ and perhaps http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPuSm )
assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/13Yy3yb )
BingoBoingo: Also http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )
cjc: Cool, thanks -- Mostly, I'm around overnight hours in CST -- as I work 3rd shift.
mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps ☟︎
mircea_popescu: also
cjc: I was on one of these Trilema pages earlier today, but didn't understand what the Lord of Bitcoins page was all about when I landed there linked from an article.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cjc doesn't really matter
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: lord of bitcoins page ?!
mircea_popescu: that flatley fellow ?
ben_vulpes: lordship list
cjc: This one, http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGzsDD )
mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes im thinking, at first conference dinner... we have roast party ?
ben_vulpes: oh ho ho ho
ben_vulpes: i gotta cook up some roasts then
mircea_popescu: lemme ask ppls
mircea_popescu: $conference
cjc: During the articles critical of G.A., the above page was linked to... along the way, I discovered this channel.
mircea_popescu: hm empy died ? nao i gotta google
mircea_popescu: mod6 hanbot asciilifeform roast at conference, yes ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you'd better come up wioth good shit, i already have some fucking killers for you mr.
ben_vulpes: ugh
ben_vulpes: i'm not actually funny!
mod6: mircea_popescu: sure!
mircea_popescu: go out all over portland and date until you find a funny woman.
ben_vulpes: so is it a round robin roastage? everyone roasts in turn?
mod6: wait... does this mean a roast of meat? or of personalities?
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31MY0KB.txt )
mircea_popescu: of personalities.
ben_vulpes: i think as host you should be c3's target
mod6: oh jeeze. lol. i'd be terrible at that.
mircea_popescu: nah, here in bitcoin we believe in democracy.
mircea_popescu: everyone roasts everyone.
ben_vulpes: mk i can probably cook something up
mircea_popescu: and notes allowed not in excess of 256 characters.
ben_vulpes: man talk about insider baseball this shit's not even going to be proofable against other humans
mircea_popescu: lol
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ben_vulpes: you're so privileged, mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: kinda what makes it good, yeah
ben_vulpes: you and hanbot get to dial yours in
mircea_popescu: it's like... the only true comedic venue left.
mircea_popescu: whatcha mean dial in /
ben_vulpes: my poor ego will never recover
ben_vulpes: practice and hone
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: not fair
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tell you to spend all day typing ruby or w/e you do. boost.
ben_vulpes: not only do you intend to pauperize me but also demoralize
ben_vulpes: someone remind me why i do anything
mircea_popescu: 40 virgins ?
mircea_popescu: not in the sense of, women. in the sense of, mindboggling challenges.
ben_vulpes: that's for the sons of ishmael
ben_vulpes: i'll settle for my mother's praise
mircea_popescu: the correct spellings is i'm so ashamed not ishmael.
mod6: here i was all excited. like "YES PIG ROAST TIME!!!"
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is not legal in argentina to convene more than six people outside of the presence of roasted meat.
mircea_popescu: they come read you the meat riot and sedition acts and then start shooting
mircea_popescu: sausage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.0003673 = 23.7276 BTC [-]
mod6: haha. imagine a good law.
ben_vulpes: oh man argentine blood sausage
BingoBoingo: I thought beef and not pigs is what the Argentines roasted
mircea_popescu: they roast whatever gets in their way.
mircea_popescu: they'd roast the vanishingly small african community if those dudes didn't run so fasty.
cazalla: looks like isis carved up another jap https://sendvid.com/nphywh91 pretty sure western media claimed johadi john was dead too but he's back in that video
assbot: Sendvid - Instant video upload ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGE9xl )
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341376 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45287162310.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.72621
BingoBoingo: Huh, GAW stopped mining and difficulty still looks to be on the upswing.
mircea_popescu: impossibru. who outside of cazalla and anyone thinking could have predicted this!
mats: you mean they weren't mining to begin with? the horror.
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FFFPT9.txt )
davout: ben_vulpes: "oh man argentine blood sausage" <<< yes. please.
mircea_popescu: you coming frenchie ?
davout: i probably will
mircea_popescu: roast ?
davout: danielpbarron cazalla Apocalyptic the railzand guy not only has locked the fork off topic but seems to have started a #b-a log digest bitcointalk thread
BingoBoingo: Link?
davout: mircea_popescu: that does count as food
mircea_popescu: mayb someone should tell him fluffypony was actually looking to payu someone to do this ?
mircea_popescu: davout no, roast as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE
assbot: Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkRk4 )
davout: BingoBoingo: see his sig, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=940941.0
assbot: A summary of the logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkTbR )
BingoBoingo: Thx davout
davout: also the qntra mobile is pretty nice!
BingoBoingo: Thanks.
BingoBoingo: It is still the same as qntra desktop.
davout: i'm kinda disappoint that it had to be google telling you
davout: imma go hang out in that 20m new thread, see what lulz may be extracted
mats: this log summary is terrible
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999675 <<< not that there is such a thing as 'american cheese', slightly less poisonous plastic maybe ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:57:44; asciilifeform: incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999683 <<< want. need. desire. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:59:10; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark
mircea_popescu: davout duh. it's great too.
mircea_popescu: (pine is whey boiled first, make it more placid)
BingoBoingo: davout: Well google was more the catalyst for doing it now. That and having picked up a Smatr PNohe to actually test on.
davout: qntra is now officially pooping-friendly
ben_vulpes: yess
ben_vulpes: cannot poop without internet
ben_vulpes: now has qntra for poops
davout: cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string
cazalla: lol
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000123 <<< 'scratch your own itch' makes sense tho ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:13:51; fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
BingoBoingo: <davout> cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string But links to Plsdont://paybase.on.nimp.org
davout: BingoBoingo: what is that? google tells me achtung
punkman: I only remember it's something bad
punkman: probably won't do anything without javascript though
mircea_popescu: or flesh
BingoBoingo: davout: Shock site. Basically subject.thatdomain opens a cascade of eye rape and screaming. The popups induce more panic than the classic "pain series"
mircea_popescu: i mean flash
mircea_popescu: mats they're not really that bad ?
mircea_popescu: "A sampling of 30% of average forum users isn't the same as 30% of the community, and certainly not the ecosystem. In reality individual users and organizations carry different weight. At the end of the day people who believe in Bitcoin (and invest their money into it) will do what they can to protect that value. The fork which has the most economic value will be the one most likely to survive with confidence of those
mircea_popescu: who continue to accept it."
mircea_popescu: lmao @forum. it has NOW discovered the importance of stuff.
mircea_popescu: funny how this wasn't a consideration before, because "unanimous."
BingoBoingo: http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsite/learn/hummingbirds/mantis-hummer.php?sc=migrate
assbot: Praying Mantis Makes Meal of a Hummingbird | Bird Watcher's Digest ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGMMIi )
mircea_popescu: "My understanding is a lot of heavily weighted entities in the ecosystem already support Gavin's proposed course."
mats: i suppose i'm being harsh. it could use better formatting and some context (maybe links to where author commentary refers?).
mircea_popescu: hello backwards world!
mats: who is that anyway?
mircea_popescu: no idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00036859 = 19.0561 BTC [+]
cazalla: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough?
mircea_popescu: good enough for what ?
punkman: cazalla, what are you looking for?
cazalla: umm, not even hobbyist photos really.. punkman i want to get a macro lense for taking photos of the bugs and insects that inhabit my garden.. the mantis comment above just reminded me
mats: i've thought about doing summaries for a while, but i've been preempted
punkman: get an adapter for old SLR lenses, and some macro tubes
punkman: what brand is your camera?
cazalla: i've got a nikon, cheaper d3100
BingoBoingo: Wow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10322942#msg10322942
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGORUt )
punkman: macro tubes and lens with manual aperture/focus will work well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94416 @ 0.00036859 = 34.8008 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla anything shoul work ok really, get whatever's accessible.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/extruziune.jpg << this was made freehand with a potato.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGRtSc )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123800 @ 0.00036859 = 45.6314 BTC [+]
punkman: cazalla: here's one for you http://imgur.com/ZnuA8SY,ZZYNyEq#0
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGSycW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178000 @ 0.00036481 = 64.9362 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: punkman, yeah but i want them from my garden, not on window
cazalla: first time i've grown watermelon and it seems to have attracted some bee that is really yellow, looks great
cazalla: quite a few mantis around after carrot fly too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190247 @ 0.0003583 = 68.1655 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: cazalla, hard to do macro from a distance
cazalla: punkman, i can sit and wait until he comes my way :)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though Australia was the sort of place where insects hunt you
punkman: as to the chinese lenses, they mostly work, many don't fill the entire frame though
cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and ate them.
BingoBoingo: Ah, so the rumors are true.
cazalla: punkman, would they improve on something like this that i've taken with 15-55mm lens? http://imgur.com/VXVbfdC
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGWoCQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107700 @ 0.00035433 = 38.1613 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: cazalla, you'll be able to do more stuff with manual lens
asciilifeform: go can be statically compiled can it not << it has a runtime.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo appreciates ... serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive << it has yet to be established for certain that this thing can be a reasonable node
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If it can't the exercise would reveal a lower bound to target.
asciilifeform: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough << can't speak for the dslr ones, but chinese c-mounts (microscope, in my case) are entirely acceptable
BingoBoingo: Jury megalol http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/us/massachusetts-aaron-hernandez-trial/
assbot: Judge to Aaron Hernandez jury: Enjoy Super Bowl but be vigilant - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYMcN )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in principle, anything -can- - can allow it to swap and destroy ssd rather less slowly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at present, i've swap switched off
mats: >Hernandez's DNA also was found on a .45-caliber shell casing found in a car he had rented.
mats: Sounds suspiciously like he was wearing the piece 'like a gangsta' and sweat into the damn weapon.
mats: er, bad construction, but you get the idea...
mats: nope, nm, i misread.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja get it built ?
danielpbarron: nope; i'm making a gentoo bootable flashdrive now
danielpbarron: my ubuntu install is too messy and i'm not sure it even supports the cross compiler
asciilifeform: jurov: any chance of switching the lxr to the merged tree? the win32isms etc. grate on the eye.
jurov: you mean
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: also, can that thing cough up static html in tarball for offline viewing ?
asciilifeform: or would that require actual work
jurov: afaik only by crawling
asciilifeform: nm then
BingoBoingo: !up GoMaD
jurov: the urls are reasonably static
mircea_popescu: check this out : http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin/about/traffic vs http://www.reddit.com/r/buttcoin/about/traffic
assbot: traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs79 )
assbot: traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs7l )
mircea_popescu: in the great internet battle pitting idiots against trolls... the trolls are winning.
mircea_popescu: whocouldhavepredicted.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, davout: look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty << interesting idea
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ...i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 << the recent turdballs are considerably gnarlier than 0.5.3, and have rather peculiar behaviours of their own. avoid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65819 @ 0.00036859 = 24.2602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103100 @ 0.00036075 = 37.1933 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: re: gentoo:
asciilifeform: it is really defined by 'unfeatures.'
asciilifeform: ;;google unfeature antifeature
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: ;;google unfeature anti-feature
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: rip google.
BingoBoingo: http://blog.djm.net.au/2015/02/key-rotation-in-openssh-68.html
assbot: djm's personal weblog: Key rotation in OpenSSH 6.8+ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrU5WH )
mircea_popescu: "all internet security is a slow, half-assed, dubious reimplementation of gossipd. pity gossipd itself doesn't exist yet."
asciilifeform: ^ who said ?
mircea_popescu: me.
mircea_popescu: how's bastard btw ?
asciilifeform: 204139.
asciilifeform: actively pumping.
thestringpuller: hue hue
thestringpuller: pumping
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to try bastard, can make a temporary copy of tree merged up to 5.3.1 and apply the skull'n'crossbone patch.
asciilifeform: change constant to something reasonable.
cazalla: hilarious https://twitter.com/vincib/status/561641812948164608
assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal: http://t.co/oQfE8dIu1s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if cca 280k this choickes to, what do we do ? what's heron sense say ?
asciilifeform: 280?
asciilifeform: why there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112200 @ 0.00036075 = 40.4762 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hunch
asciilifeform: also that thing's running on a titanic x86 box
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol
asciilifeform has two 'pogos' but one is virginal and sitting in crate; it is to be used to test the auto-deflorator (flash virgin unit by plugging into deflowered one)