assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 22:45:49; asciilifeform: jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...
jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
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Rozal: buying 10 BTC, anyone selling?
jurov: it's okay,but better on #bitcoin-otc
jurov: ;;gettrust jurov Rozal
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 03:36:21; asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
jurov: ben_vulpes: it's source package that portage downloads automatically(with some exceptions) to /usr/portage/distfiles
jurov: was that the question?
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mircea_popescu: and it is now time for a review of teh various butthurt!
mircea_popescu: hey, that looks like a bunch of dudes slapping the shit out of some chick
ben_vulpes: how can one ever tell with these internet gifs
mircea_popescu:
http://v8chan.com/thread/3744246/what-is-this-ad.html << "As much I don't want to bring in /pol/ into every discussion, /leftypol/ is a hundred times worse. You're fucking cancer." / "its fags like you who make these threads the worst" / "No, it's fags like you who get triggered if anything remotely /pol/-like is mentioned, and I don't even like /pol/. Get the fuck out." / "You’re mentally disabled if you don’t thi
mircea_popescu: the /b/ one ( b/res/2686327.html apparently) didn't get archived.
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mircea_popescu: "man, i hadnt seen an ad on the interne in years. thought it was a banner for awhile" << bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: web experts derp about how MP doesn't know shit. then mp makes something that owns anything they've ever seen in penetration. then they don't knowtice, because one can't be stupid and perceptive at the same time.
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decimation: asciilifeform: adlai interesting 'application specific' tube logic links
decimation: it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 00:08:31; jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
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decimation: ben_vulpes: I have one of those usb knobs
ben_vulpes: twiddles kitchen lead time for operators of trinque's webmachine
decimation: asciilifeform: looks like one of those ebay usb/3.3v serial dongles
decimation: someone who doesn't have a proper vice
decimation: asciilifeform: or you could use a parallel port, if your computer has one
decimation: one can still buy 'em even for pci express
decimation: I would worry about potential noise in the sound card
decimation: but if the levels are high enough and you use some kind of clipping algorithm it wouldn't be an issue
decimation: asciilifeform: I wonder how cricital sampling clock variation would be
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah good point. you could use it with an analog mixer and an audio signal generator
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the box over the chips for?
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:50:28; williamdunne: indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian
williamdunne: Ahh I see, looks good. Didn't realize how complete it looks
decimation: asciilifeform: your old soundblaster card came with a joystick input
decimation: as I recall they were dc-coupled potentiometers
williamdunne: indiancandy1: asciilifeform: ahh I see, indian have you met Naphex?
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output
decimation: asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit
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decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point. my mental viewpoint for sampled signals is always a frequency domain visualization. my 'test' would be a really long fft
mircea_popescu: she's enslaved by the cispatriarchy with the belief that she shouldn't have to.
williamdunne: Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender
mircea_popescu: williamdunne if one blames the nazis does that mean they're jooz ?
williamdunne: Its more like if you blame women, you're (probably) a man
williamdunne: Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great
mircea_popescu: to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: much like rape, racism, privilege, democracy, equality, social justice etc etc.
williamdunne: Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin
mircea_popescu: the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude.
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decimation: where's assbot's page titles and bitly links?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's interesting to see so many apparent successful zero 'intercepts'
decimation: my understaning is that bomber tail guns were not very effective
williamdunne: decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything
williamdunne: cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point
cazalla: this one is only half indian though
williamdunne: And half greek, so you know she won't get anything done
cazalla: those desi girls are pretty hot mind you
williamdunne: I think its the combination of the skin, and some western-ish features
cazalla: what are western features?
cazalla: anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs
decimation: "Getting ?rocked,? as locomotive engineers call it, is so common on the Northeast Corridor that trains long had metal grills over their windshields to act as armor. These days, thick glass is specifically designed to withstand the impact of a cinder block. Amtrak officials say trains are pelted in the neighborhoods around the crash site monthly."
decimation: note that the new york times hasn't seen fit to cover this until now, because reasons
hanbot: reasons being, nobody had figured out how to hike their pet concern to the event.
decimation: well, one would think that the trains that carry the flower of the ny & dc elites might carry some level of interest
decimation: how do you think they travel? tsa screening?
decimation: nah. if going from dc to ny (or reverse) aircraft would be less convenient
decimation: not really. you gonna land a plane in grand central station
decimation: gotta go to teterboro or some other outlying airport
hanbot: i thought it was all maryland
decimation: but the important bits are within walking distance of a metro station
hanbot: ny goes to albany, mostly.
decimation: joe biden was famous for commuting daily from delaware on amtrak
decimation: sorry I wasn't implying that was the case
decimation: the fact that bricks fly at such trains ought to be newsworthy
decimation: my point being that it only turns out to be newsworthy once a major accident happens and people get injured/killed
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trinque: decimation | it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures << seems a fine use.
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decimation: sure, pakistan has been a useful stooge for a variety of powers
trinque: given the cozy relationship there I would not be surprised if saudi tries to purchase nukes from pakistan, if they haven't already
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decimation: eh, saudi arabia doesn't really need nukes
decimation: they got usg's nukes on call if they need them
trinque: I wouldn't trust the USA if I were them.
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mats: > China to invest $50bn in Brazil infrastructure
gabriel_laddel: Testing the install process has been impeded by possibly faulty hardware (my testing box reliably kernel panics as of today - idkwtf). I'm stalled until I've new boxen. If someone were willing to set aside a few hours to test the install process, please leave it in the logs. I'll follow up with you via PM.
BingoBoingo still rather inclined towards promoting *nix hetrogeny
gabriel_laddel sees *nix hetrogeny as meaningless unless the personalized systems all have sources included, can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call
gabriel_laddel: "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." - JMC
gabriel_laddel: "in the meantime, resistance is not futile. only the weak of mind will be assimilated, and they are no loss, anyway." -- Naggum
gabriel_laddel: "Reductio ad absurdum, which Euclid loved so much, is one of a mathematician's finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess play: a chess player may offer the acrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but a mathematician offers the game. -- A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941)"
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:54:48; indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here
gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell indiacandy1 who are your role models in the porn biz?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Did you stumble upon my 11 year plan in the logs yet?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Nah, avoiding MMA, becoming a boxing tomato can for my 40th birthday in 11 years
BingoBoingo: Oh, not too much is up. My youngest brother got their BS in Mechanical engineering today.
BingoBoingo: WOuld maybe recruit for La Republic serene if we need a trebuchet
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Year one goal is ending their year in sufficient shape after a decade of chainsmoking and heavy drinking to not get too winded at a gym
BingoBoingo: Also strengthening the metacarpals through controlled stress fractures
gabriel_laddel: I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes.
BingoBoingo: I like walking too, but walking lets me smoke while I do it, also seems less like exercise and more liek an activity of daily living the doctors count against you if you can't do it.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: are you trying to impress to fuck a doctor or something?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I live in a rogue state atm (Illinois) and I'd rather not have to get a prostate exam to buy legit hunting rifle of Mosin or Simnov design. So earlier this week I was watching past oscar movies and hit Million Dollar Baby. Then it hit me. Why not weaponize me?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: someone willing to slit throats isn't scary
gabriel_laddel: china ships precursors to mexico all the time, head out there (cn), meet the people involved.
BingoBoingo: Oh, scary is context dependent. I sat through ~75% of a pharmacy school's curriculum as a grad assistant who just worked the microphones.
BingoBoingo: Thing is the legitimate governments of most of mexico frown on synthesis without their blessing.
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BingoBoingo: I know the concept of a recipe and I know what a catecholamine is.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: It is a rotational thing. Anything cool will lack symmetry greater than C1.
BingoBoingo: Blame our earth biases towards amino acids one way and carbohydrates another, not opposite way
BingoBoingo: citalopram vs. escitalopram and levo-methamphatamine vs. dex-methamphetamine is a good starting point on chirality
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make
gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter.
gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to become healthy, idk how boxing figures into it.
gabriel_laddel: Yeah, always work towards a purpose, not a cause right?
gabriel_laddel: Regarding China - finding reliable chemical suppliers and integrating with the WoT sounds like a useful use of one's life.
gabriel_laddel: <BingoBoingo> My take is there is a tradition. << this means nothing to me
BingoBoingo: It requires minimal monetary expenditure and substantial time expenditure to approach X, A side effect of X is getting punched. Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain.
cazalla: ya know BingoBoingo, people told pacman he couldn't become a boxer
gabriel_laddel: Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain. << can't save people from themselves...
BingoBoingo: I'm actually pretty good at taking a beating.
gabriel_laddel: Between me, rents and sickboy I'm the best petty thief
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik it was always known (tm) that they found him by sherpa.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> they got usg's nukes on call if they need them << nope, not anymore. new king is trashing the alliance.
BingoBoingo: Thankfully Obummer surrendered to the Castros
mircea_popescu: can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call <<< exactly this.
mircea_popescu: an "install" you have to "fiddle with" is not an install.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel kinda too long to fit on a banner, i fthat's what you meant ?
cazalla: of course for every pacman there is countless spider ricos
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: small fonts? I can't speak for anyone else, but I *must* read pretty much any text that makes its way into my vision.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, figured you more for baseball anyway, then you could get juiced up on HGH
cazalla: hispanics getting homeruns
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << im pretty much the same.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The time it takes to learn to throw anything left handed... versus the exosud of young potential prize fighters for MMA and the NFL... I leik my odds
mircea_popescu: " You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow." << ahaha lulzy way to put it, but i dbout the guy actually aspires to this as his life. sounded more like a hobby to me
cazalla: still don't get the 11 years of training
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i think that's how half the chan people are too. that's why it's such a trap for them
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Honestly having been roundly rejected by the fiat economy anything I approach is as a hobby, except for the qntra. The Qntra is deadly serious.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, guy has it : we definitely need more people in china.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: If only you knew the tar on my lungs.
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BingoBoingo: Also, 40 is kind of peak athlete age barring major injuries
cazalla: i dunno about that, boxing? maybe though
cazalla: but still, 12-18 months training and you're good to go
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Think about how many pitchers peak in ability in their late 30's early 40's (or not) versus combat sports peeps over at 30 because they are too beat.
cazalla: and that's if ya only never boxed before
BingoBoingo: First step is getting to high school graduation weight.
BingoBoingo: While building the upperbody and core back up
BingoBoingo: I leik'd dpb's "transmen are evil" sjw clickbait tumblr
cazalla: yeah i keep meaning to as well but the booze really gets its hooks in
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BingoBoingo: Boose isn't as bad as the smoking it seems atm for me, may change.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anymore nothing in south park doesn't have an irl connection
BingoBoingo: Last season's season long arc and its tanents all irl tied
cazalla: ya should toss a quote in from that boy and the tree, that'd go well in /pol/ believe it or not
mircea_popescu: (honestly, that hauling assets banner is great, easily the best of the crop. meanwhile the qntra one is probably the shittiest. imagine these derps, conflating the extremes like that)
BingoBoingo: Nah that's a tie for beating rhonda quotes
cazalla: it's a great story though, not the first trilema article i read but the first that stuck in my mind
cazalla: BingoBoingo, anyway we should both train and then we can put on some exhibition fights in BA in a year or 2, find some local picaninnies to go up against
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <mike_c> i'll add something
BingoBoingo: The dying locust tree in the back yard will probably appreciate the break
BingoBoingo: If anyone didn't guess already the Qntra Bird Flu article came out of buying 2 dozen eggs and the next week buying the same two dozen eggs for a budget busting (who plans for 67% markups) price.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, buying em? what's the matter with you, can't catch a chicken?
cazalla: chicken chasing is how we use to train in the old days btw
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Turkeys here you can catch wild. Fuck, drove past a roadkill armadillo today which should only happen on the other side of the mississippi river. Chickens though... It takes three eggs to make a decent omlette. Even if you are getting an egg from each hen per day that's still a lot of birdshit.
cazalla: i thought road kill was like american pie
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You still got to be picky. People fight over rights to bumper deer. Less so for plague carriers like armadillo.
BingoBoingo would rather punch one of the local coyotes into dinner than try making an armadillo edible
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make << Where are
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter. << Scary for the sake of scary is one of the last things I aspire to. That's how people get shot and sliced.
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BingoBoingo: Anyways my survey of the field now is half the people on my high school's football team tried MMA at one point and got into "pro" fights of some sort. They played the proverbial tomato can to a t.
BingoBoingo: Because few of them could get under heavy weight.
cazalla buys BingoBoingo a tapout shirt for xmas
BingoBoingo still works on getting reasonably fit though
BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6.
BingoBoingo admits probably too old to lern to code worth damn
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copypaste: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 8chan is also blocked in Saudi Arabia and Oman according to reports I've received. Apparently only a few Russian ISP block it on order of ROSKOMNADZOR.
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jurov: your "field emission display" is in fact counterexample - it does no computation whatsoever while electron flies
jurov: classic CRTs do at least the "demultiplexing"
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kakobrekla doesn't resolve bets, but mods that do read bb comments so is fine.
mats: i loled. 1.08btc on 0.02btc
☟︎ mats: too bad its the house
kakobrekla: anyway, the affected parties are basically (listed by alphabetical order): mp
davout: asciilifeform: aren't there, by definition, at least two 'buggers'?
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adlai: iiuc, finding the second bugger would require bruteforce checks against all the keys contributing to the modulus that phucked the first bugger
adlai: (not that much work, definitely less than the work which has already been done to find the first one)
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adlai: (phuctor now knows the factorization of a single key, and it knows which of the two prime factors is shared with the second bugger)
davout: if you know that there's another broken one in the set, might as well re-check the set to find it
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jurov: asciilifeform: but there were multiple people with colliding moduli, not only one?
jurov: or i misunderstand something?
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jurov: soo i have inadvertently turned to computational sommelier,too... thinking about replacement to my broken qwerty phone, then it hit me..n900!
jurov: with possible upgrade to neo900 in few months (expected price 900euro, tho)
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adlai: jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i am in complete disbelief that this actually happened.
mxtm: what exactly has happened?
mxtm: gpg key has been breached?
mxtm: and you derived the priv keys from this?
mxtm: that is quite major
gribble: You rated user asciilifeform on Sat Nov 30 16:31:44 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: S.NSA engineer..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate asciilifeform 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
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assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor..
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 5 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:d27ae6467cd0fbd6f440b352f05f3a753c3bde57d60bac74172b5cf5cc0fd544
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 4 to 5 with note: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.
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jurov: i have verified my gpg 2 imports it
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey. << holy shit o.0
mod6: im stunned. very impressive.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: good afternoon
mike_c: what can i do for you?
mircea_popescu: say, can i has 728x90 bitbet banners ? and in some manner WITH the link, so i can put them on 8chan ?
mike_c: yeah, i can whip that up
mod6 falls out of his chair
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, congratulations
mircea_popescu: anyway, i do encourage everyone to try this themselves.
mxtm: now what do we do with our GPG keys and GPG in general :(
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, isn't Π(∀n) the product of all the modulus treated by phuctor ? how do you get $schmuck-Q * $otherschmuck-Q by dividing it by (schmuck-P ^ 2) ?
mircea_popescu: mxtm we check implementations to make sure they're conformant to spec.
mircea_popescu: oh also - if anyone has a hacker news account or w/e - put it in.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, that calculation makes sense if Π(∀n) is in fact the product of only the two modulus we're interested in
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, also I noticed that "Moduli waiting to test" number is updated quite regularly, why the running product displays the same number of digits for a while now, I guess it doesn't update as often ?
mircea_popescu: optimized bubble-like process, was discussed in the logs iirc
mats: if that makes it to front page, prepare for an onslaught of 'mp is a pornographer and slaver'
mats: asciilifeform: ya, wasn't sure if the link was the same paper you referred to earlier re: 'ssl folks'
jurov: lol. and which machine was this? in odessa?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this 500 line py script published anywhere ?
davout: so 2 identified keys have been factored and 2 others have been factored, but not identified yet, right?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, will the second colliding prime be published ?
davout: just publish them in chan, as they come, more log readership
mircea_popescu: davout two pairs of gpg keys are known, in the sense that their pubkey modulus has been factored.
mircea_popescu: nope. 21 this time. why bother with a full length 77 when one could just use 7.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> just owner(s) announced. // once you have the owners name you can get their keys, and at that point it's trivial to compute the common prime factor
mircea_popescu: (generally - since the gcd finally contains 3, it will be a massacre now for all the shitty keys)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic from what i hear alf's contemplating sending them certs signed by their own key.
mod6: proof in the pudding :]
davout: mircea_popescu: best proof possible
mircea_popescu: if anything shows the value of hard work and just sitting down and doing it, in the present environment of financial "futures" and just-in-time everything, this would be it.
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mircea_popescu: everybody could have tyold you gcd'ing is a waste of time and cycles.
mircea_popescu: "que permitía romper una clave pública de 1024 bits en 20 minutos, con un simple portátil."
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 04:11:23; mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807)
mircea_popescu: you know, just a line down from where i say "i have my doubts 4096 keys will EVER be factored."
mircea_popescu: of course, i was not contemplating nonsense of this sort.
davout: bad_duck: you should be able to !up yourself in PM with assbot
davout: hahaha, reddit is downvoting it
davout: if(matters) { downvote } else { moon_moon_moon }
jurov: more like "mircea popescu t3h ev1l"
mircea_popescu: the supreme irony of which being, that you have to be a fairly frequent reader to hit the paywall.
jurov: of be behind NAT with an reader
mxtm: apparently, luckier
mxtm: is that supposed to be a hint at the number
mircea_popescu: mxtm no, it's just that having maintained control over the box i feel no need to divulge anything.
mats: re: previous es link, it appears openssl at some point did not check whether factors were weak
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jurov: just use cpanel to replace the ssh key, no?
mircea_popescu: davout hit a reload, went from 2 points by davout 8 minutes ago to 49 points by davout 35 minutes ago | 11 comments
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very curious, because i always suspected you know "older versions"
mircea_popescu: well... shit man, older versions don't really do 4kb keys
davout: asciilifeform: what's the version string on the key?
jurov: phuctor discards comments, i guess
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mircea_popescu: this, tbh, is a good move, because : someone came up with the fucktarded idea of adding "visual" identity to keys. as if i can tell one whore from another on the basis of a 5kb icon.
mircea_popescu: allowing comments means you can't have fixed width tables, which ffs.
mircea_popescu: jurov lots of these republishing things. i think it's some business major's idea of web entrepreneurship
mats: hey, they preserved links to the original thing.
mxtm: woah, i didn't know that hpa was
trinque: so... gpg's used by kernel devs to sign patches, eh?
trinque: oh man he's the maintainer of kernel.org?
mxtm: and like his name used to show up on syslinux
mxtm: everything that used syslinux
mxtm: SYSLINUX PETER ANVIN
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you were banned on graham-altman propertiesd
mircea_popescu: you were banned on wikipedia, for being a spammer, i recall now.
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 17:59:08; asciilifeform: i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse.
mircea_popescu: "In the army battle field tactical communication are handle by streaming ciphers on the radio. The idea is not to be impossible to breach. But strong enough that time is on your side"
d34th: thanks, its been a while since i've been in here
d34th: its a dark and dangerous place
williamdunne: To this day I have not had my connection drop, the wired connection has remained solid without dropping. Maybe I'm just lucky and ddos guys like me?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i dunno what exactly he does, but if people are complaining it must be something.
trinque: it has happened to me on occasion
d34th: mircea_popescu: question about the working is it cpu based or opencl
trinque: not since cloaked and getting a new IP from the ISP
d34th: i have a few cores i could donate
davout: it would probably make sense for the phuctor to start munching SSL certs as well
mircea_popescu: d34th you wanna do something, do the same with ssl certs.
davout: mircea_popescu: it would be better for the phuctor itself to do it
davout: or i guess yes, GCD the running product once in a while
mircea_popescu: in other news, how does a server look while trending on everything ? like so :
mircea_popescu: CKKC_CKC__._CKKKKWKKKK__KK_KKK___KKKK___C_KKC_KK___C_K.WWK._K__.
mircea_popescu: .KK_WCCC__K___CK_KKKK___K__C__C_KW_C_KK_K_KWK__C_CKC_W___.CK_KCK
mircea_popescu: KC_K_K__C_K_____K_______K_K_K____________K_..._.................
mircea_popescu: .............K..................................................
davout: asciilifeform: it doesn't parse plain rsa keys?
mike_c: I have a script that will do it, not sure if you can use that for your ads? If not, we could either pick a specific bet to promote and link it to that, or link to homepage.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne "_" Waiting for Connection, "S" Starting up, "R" Reading Request, "W" Sending Reply, "K" Keepalive (read), "D" DNS Lookup, "C" Closing connection, "L" Logging, "G" Gracefully finishing, "I" Idle cleanup of worker, "." Open slot with no current process
mircea_popescu: i pass a base64 img wrapped in a tags. could you maybe make it be the same and i just forward it ? dunno.
davout: few extra features to implement for the phuctor... also nice to have: "throw list of URLs at it, it fetches the SSL cert and tries to factor it"
mircea_popescu: davout yeah cuz we're so totally out of material to squeeze atm :D
mike_c: mircea_popescu: iframe?
williamdunne: mike_c: could work just as well as an <img src="something.php"/>
trinque: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy
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mike_c: mircea_popescu: ok, i can make something like that. headed to a bbq right now, I'll get it going tonight.
mike_c: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: awesome work guys :)
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, it so happens that $shmuck-Q is actually not a prime as well
mircea_popescu: so this is a manufactured subkey that was somehow uploaded to sks and merged into the guy's key but not necessarily used or even issued by him ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally... how likely is it that this behaviour is emergent, which is to say, you can't import the weak key ANYMORE ?
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trinque: jurov: so yours imported the subkey?
jurov: no, rejected, scroll to the bottom
trinque: ah I see it; different output than mine
jurov: i asked it to be twice as verbose
mircea_popescu: because we have a year-old snapshot and it doesn't look different.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder if this is reproducible, make sks servers display random data as people's subkeys.
mircea_popescu: definitely not what's expected from / implied by the listings, but who knows.
mircea_popescu: even from a purely operational standpoint - it'd seem sks servers have all the interest in the world to reject such broken keys rather than publish them, carry them in db etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what exactly is this, ft meade damage control ?
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol dude's story is that he's replicated the results of phuctor since late march ?
mircea_popescu: strange, our fortress has a moat, provided free of charge by "the enemy"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: who is hanno's sponsor?
ben_vulpes is still sobering up from last nights revelry
mircea_popescu: freelance journo/whatevs. doubt there's sponsors in the classic sense.
mircea_popescu: "The results I worried about, millions of children running Windows on the OLPC, have not occurred. Instead we see millions of children running Windows on the Intel Classmate."
ben_vulpes: * BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6. << you could catch up to me in rather short order
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'caltrop' << how does the tossing of control bits affect output?
ben_vulpes: so if the device randomly cooks up a control sequence that will get ripped out?
davout: asciilifeform mircea_popescu is the same 'skipped' behaviour observed when importing the second broken key?
mircea_popescu: and then, as that's ripped out, some tests will find the entropy not as good
mircea_popescu: davout tis on the list of things to do, but it is a long list
ben_vulpes: i am not as malbec immune as davout thinks
mats: asciilifeform: as a new dog i must learn old tricks
mats: asciilifeform: this in particular wasn't new to me but nonetheless i shared
ben_vulpes: mats: as a new dog i must piss on each and every electric fence
davout: mircea_popescu: it'd be really interesting to know, it's a gpg --recv-keys | grep skipped away
mats: asciilifeform: it hurts ma ego everytiem i get a 'old fucking news'
mircea_popescu: davout yes but honestly i'd rather let it work some more first.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes a fine example of the perils of "whitening".
mircea_popescu: you can't fool mother nature. nevertheless, it is more than happy to sell you the tools by which to fool yourself.
decimation: asciilifeform: so did the sks server at one point accept anvin's key and then later bitrotted it?
mircea_popescu: this seems the most ... "nothing happened, go back to sleep"-benign theory.
mircea_popescu: it seems tempting, tho there are sticking points. but in any case, as phuctor progresses we'll get a better idea.
mircea_popescu: now that it has 3, 7, 11 etc in the P it will find all these.
decimation: doesn't the sks server check before shitting public key?
trinque: incidentally dieharder has been busted in gentoo for at least two months
trinque: I'm trying to figure out why it wont build
decimation: apparently because of their political stance (all gpg keys must be public and stored for all time)
mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't that stance open them to incredible ddos ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, if the claims is accurate, what's to keep me from making anyone's sks profile 1 gb long ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: how does one go about walking the history of portage?
trinque: ben_vulpes: you can always build a specific version provided the ebuild is still available in portage by emerge =category-name/thing-0.1.2
trinque: this underscores the need to archive /usr/portage/distfiles
decimation: well, I guess if you want your 'roster of people' to be a combination of legal record and bathroom graffiti, they got you covered
trinque: and probably the portage tree itself
mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, we'll know more / anything of actual substance once the guy himself answers.
mircea_popescu: and we'll have a pretty decent picture once phuctor's done walking the set, which looks like a coupla months
decimation: indeed. I'm off on a home improvement project, good luck with the ramblig mob that's gonna come by
davout: HN now displays "Why Japanese Toilets Are Failing in America (2013)" higher than this
☟︎ davout: none, just a random observation :D
davout: I was thinking time-decay algo
trinque: jumped from #1 to #20 abruptly for me
mircea_popescu: what was it that wiped an article badly leaving it still sorta-visible ?
mircea_popescu: was like "we have consensus and therefore will delete your reddit thread proving the contrary. because this will totally work, you being some derps who depend on the graham lulzatron"
mircea_popescu: whether that proves the contrary, or for that matter whether the contrary needs any proof... exercise for reader.
JPT: I decided to read along a little since it got to me that some rsa keys were broken ;)
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mircea_popescu: so in also newsworthy : between yesterday and today there has been a shitton of hashpower added
mircea_popescu: no. and obviously, "the process is inherently dirty" etc. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: tosoon dude. how fast do you think that can be deployed.
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trinque: lol dieharder has been rotting for a year on both redhat descendants and gentoo
mircea_popescu: trinque only terrorists would want to test their rngs.
trinque: yeah I'm figuring out a patch
davout: asciilifeform: just because something is easy for a guy with 200 IQ doesn't mean it's as easy for two dudes with 100 IQ
mircea_popescu: half the "literate" population can't even read trilema because "it's too hard" and words hurt their brain
davout: only action can be hard as only action can oppose resistance
trinque: gotta already want to eat a luger when you find trilema :p
mircea_popescu: you know that's to this day one of the most popular articles ? i dunno what's with them ppls.
trinque: ok I fixed the dieharder build on gentoo
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> most she-haters i know are womenz. << girl last night pointed out that all of her worst clients (she's a physical therapist, deals with highly athletic folks coming to terms with their now-reduced performance envelopes) are women
davout: oh god srsly, white on white
delan: mircea_popescu: grats to you and loper on factorising hpa’s key
delan: I really hope my keys’ factors are /actually/ prime
mircea_popescu: delan myeah. one shouldn't have to hope on this score, but then again here we are.
mircea_popescu: actually, a fully-explicit "how to extract your rsa moduli as numbers, and how to test things" write-up may be a good use of someone's time.
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mircea_popescu: mopre like a training exercise for younguns looking to get shellshocked by "free software"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tbh i find the "broken in transit" explanation offered by the back to sleep camp particularly ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: seriously, some bits got changed ? and what archive still extracted , no problem ?
davout: the real thing here would be to actually find a GPG implementation that does not run the check that leads normal ones to simply discard this key
delan: probably getting nuked
mircea_popescu: davout how would you know it is even publicly accessible ?
mircea_popescu: maybe this is paort of a tandem with specific userland diddling.
mircea_popescu: which would neatly explain why it HAS TO stay on sks servers.
mircea_popescu: victim gets nsa-something or the other, gets the "key", etc.
mircea_popescu: some guy trying to do something or the other with softwasre.
mircea_popescu: i am definitely suspicious of this entire tower of mirrors made of shit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im not entirely sure we might ever see the diddled gpg that goes with this didlded key to produce anything interesting
mircea_popescu: but if we do see it, im definitely publishing the story.
davout: mircea_popescu: yup, not saying it's possible, saying that would be definitive proof
davout: yep, not saying anything more
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, i suspect it's more subtle than that.
mircea_popescu: there's a long tradition of "must fail to pass" bullshit seen in the wild, and allegedly not originated by nsa
mircea_popescu: for all you know this is the magic packet required to X.
mircea_popescu: im letting things settle for a day and plan to write a follow-up.
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I'll bother the ebuild guy for this
mircea_popescu: trinque is this like the only bit of c code deployed without stdint ? i wonder if he had a reason
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i know of no better proof that the "atomic weapons not actually militarily useful" than this sort of perennial wank.
trinque: mircea_popescu: seems it might've worked against an older glibc
trinque: which perhaps implicitly included that?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform useless without sender field ; uninteresting if it's anything but sam altman
mircea_popescu: i'd have added "or one of his harem slaves" but iirc he's a twink
mircea_popescu: how the system can’t pass tests to show it could’ve launched ha!
mircea_popescu: this, if indeed reflective of an implementation error, shows an entirely different bug
mircea_popescu: you should check to make sure yo udon't use the same prime TWICE
trinque: lol, article's at #28 now with way more points than those above
trinque: there are older articles with fewer points above
mircea_popescu: what i don't get is, how exactly you reproduce this ? i can't seem to make sks server to accept extra, unsigned subkeys from anyone.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the way it presents the blob is as a single, shares pgp key blob
mircea_popescu: so can anyone get a key server, no matter which, to somehow swallow up an extra subkey for an existing key ?
trinque: and articles are moving around it, yet it stays where it's pinned
mircea_popescu: "We are at war, with a new kind of enemy. The terrorists have infiltrated every nation on our planet." tsk tsk now how would will mcneilly know this.
BingoBoingo: What a fucking morning to sleep in !!! Digesting Convos around Phuctor's discovery and writing up some news.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, downside of sleeping in is I missed a timely annoucement of keys shattering. On the plus side Am I reading it right, that the pattern seems to be various sorts of strongset people have these weak keys, almost exclusively?
trinque: I'm about as amazed with how rapidly the various "news" sites can respond to this
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the official story seems to be that keys got accidentally.
BingoBoingo: But this accidentally seems to mostly affect a certain kind of person
mircea_popescu: people wanna sperg all day on "social media" and "attract investors".
trinque: seems this is actually glibc fuckery re: dieharder
mircea_popescu: Zoe Quinn is the role model, dumbass made a "game" that wouldn't have passed muster in the early sierra adventure games
trinque: asciilifeform: unistd.h uses intptr_t within, yet does not include stdint.h
trinque: "whatever used this also had an include for stdint.h so who cares" ?
trinque: "I assume they are produced by network errors, harddisk failures or software bugs. It may also be that someone just created them in some experiment."
mircea_popescu: trinque imagine if "network errors, harddisk failures" worked this way.
mircea_popescu: it'd stop warez dead in its tracks, seeing how you couldn't watch any movie or anything.
mircea_popescu: but yes, software bugs. now that we got to software bugs...
mircea_popescu: the instructor said don't touch anything. A crew member responded by saying “it doesn't matter none of it works anyway, you can touch what you want.”
danielpbarron: >> There is a service called Phunctor where you can upload a key and it'll check it against a set of known vulnerable moduli.
mircea_popescu: i updated the article to lulz a little at the ydumbinator crew
trinque: guy sends me to go bother whoever can fix glibc
trinque: and I will, if only as an exercise in whether it's actually possible to get something fixed in glibc
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ben_vulpes: "Someone handed you an ebuild, and you don't know what to do with it? Fear not, for here be instructions!" << docs with a dash of humor
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 16:10:13; mircea_popescu: achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa.
mircea_popescu: trinque we were looking for someone to fix glibc earlier too
mircea_popescu: there is theoretical support, but in practice the lists seem dead and i have nfi who can even undertake that beast of a task
prx: just wanted to see myself what's up here with those insane broken keys
prx: mircea_popescu: yep, thx. I'll stay here forlivestuff, if that's fine with you guys
trinque: tragedy of the commons; everyone fucks glibc and no one pays her medical bills
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 20:24:41; asciilifeform: it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected.
mircea_popescu: prx are you getting flooded btw ? some people complaied.
prx: mircea_popescu: Not yet, will yell if it pops up.
mircea_popescu: been some internet tough guy months ago "destroying us" by flooding noobs, but i had thought he gave up meanwhile.
prx: So you're on someones hatelist :)
prx: Having the right enemies might be more interesting than having the wrong friends
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alphonse23_: mostly curious why HN would care to hide the story?
alphonse23_: but from the article it was reported here.
davout: re the bitbet, this guy had it: "So I can still drop bad keys on purpose? Or key had to be added before announcing this bet?"
trinque: alphonse23_: interesting, eh? it plummeted from #1 very strangely
mircea_popescu: graham, altman &co are butthurt because we regularly mock their "venture capitalism" ? i dunno
alphonse23_: HN has changed a lot in the pass few months
alphonse23_: i've been going there daily for years, and I've noticed the change
mircea_popescu: davout that bet promises to be a conundrum to resolve.
alphonse23_: but this, the mod manipulating titles -- for whatever reason. There's ton of down voting too.
alphonse23_: it's like, their in league with the NSA now or something...
davout: the bet was misworded from the beginning, had someone intentionally created a set of shitty keys and fed the to the phuctor, it would resolve as yes
davout: the title diddling on HN is documented in the comments actually
mircea_popescu: the conundrum is more along the lines of "what constitutes a key"
mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ anyway, the mistake here is for members of the public naive enough to imagine conde nast / ycombinator / etc sites represent anything but the alt-reality their owners have a financial interest in.
davout: that's the easy part i think "anything recognized as such by asset's favorite gnupg version"
trinque: this guy's making me write a test program to fix an include in glibc
mircea_popescu: they will farm said naive members of the public for free content, yes.
trinque: it's plainly visible looking at the header itself
davout: mircea_popescu: well, if i craft a key whose factors are 1 and 3, theoretically it's a valid gpg key
davout: if i then submit a key whose factors are 3 and 5
davout: phuxxored they are, to yes the bet should resolve
alphonse23_: mircea_popescu: but to do it so openly, how does that not hurt them.
davout: mircea_popescu: right, the bet does specify the number of moduli to test
joshbuddy: hiya, just hanging out after reading the hilarious rsa key blog post by .. umm you
alphonse23_: so where the hell do I get my tech news from. Reddit? they Y combinator owns them too.
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alphonse23_: "MQTT broker in golang" first time hearing about it
mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ an ad-interim solution is of course variety. there's qntra doing bitcoin news. there's 8chan doing all sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: the man of one book, like the man of one site, is never too close to truth
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 15:59:46; adlai: jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first
alphonse23_: sure. it just a shame. hacker news was a real gem back in the day. I'm sure it's inevitable, as things become more mainstream, they get too political, and less honest. Now I have to go out a find good honest news from somewhere underground.
ben_vulpes: <gabriel_laddel> I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << i'm on this minimal time workout kick lately
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mircea_popescu: other than because some she-geeks are cute and people try to hit on them with "hy babyy i r maek distro" ?
ben_vulpes: i'm getting the impression with gentoo that i should copy the dieharder source into mydiehardfork overlay and then emerge mydiehard fork - how wrong is this?
trinque: ben_vulpes: probably faster than waiting for a glibc fix :^)
ben_vulpes: lol yeah that's indeed the conclusion i came to
trinque: yeah that's right, put your own hand-carved ebuilds in your local overlay
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jurov: jus' looking on code path that produces the "invalid subkey binding" message, found this:
jurov: /* does this make sense????? */
jurov: not implying anything, only found the commnt lulzy
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mircea_popescu: "Proudly made without PHP, Java, Perl, MySQL and Postgres"
ben_vulpes: confirmed for being in over my head with overlays
ben_vulpes: so is qntra not writing up the gpbacle?
DreadKnight: usually too lazy to do the whole thing manually
DreadKnight: regarding the game, polishing documentation and preparing some a crowd funding
DreadKnight: if I secure a bit of cash, things will run smoothly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00028352 = 1.5027 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i'm looking forward to all the gavin lectures about the perils of larger blocksizes. also at stanford.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00028602 = 11.4122 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bitrated.com/zmanian/ << there's even a chump wot and everything
ben_vulpes: DreadKnight: whaddaya need the funding for? i thought you wrote the thing yourself.
trinque: ben_vulpes: pssh, those sweet office chairs with 5-way lumbar support for one
Humean: woah neat i feel special
ben_vulpes: trinque: keep laughing, you'll be renting a desk soon
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh don't misunderstand, I am a big fan of the 5-way lumbar support
ben_vulpes: we rearranged the deck chairs last week, place feels almost like humans and not nerds
trinque: and I hear there's not one cat on the premises
evhan: Mention on loper-os, swung by out of curiosity.
DreadKnight: ben_vulpes, didn't coded the gameplay, it's a bit above my skill level; anyway, even if I did 100% of the thing, would still need funding
DreadKnight: the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD
☟︎ ben_vulpes: that last 10% is more expensive than anyone ever expects
DreadKnight: there's sure something strange going on when it comes to the last few steps
DreadKnight: we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps
☟︎ DreadKnight: well, there are quite a few reasons, crediting (name/link), experience, the joy of contributing to something bigger just to name a few
DreadKnight: the other day found out that a cg animation series done in blender by just one dude used quite a few of the creatures from my project :)
decimation: there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a
☟︎ DreadKnight: the project itself is free, so this stuff is allowed provided crediting is done
trinque: decimation: fancy that eh?
ben_vulpes: DreadKnight: i thought the thing was supposed to make money?
trinque: decimation: got there quick too
DreadKnight: even if something is free, it can still make money
decimation: I thought ninjashogun was one of the h-n mods?
DreadKnight: gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft
☟︎ ben_vulpes: DreadKnight: every single one of those companies pays their employees.
ben_vulpes: people working for a link or publicity need to have some sort of assurance that their time so spent is going to yield a return.
ben_vulpes: (i mean, everyone does, right? for every thing that we do.)
trinque: DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs
☟︎ DreadKnight: ben_vulpes, a return is not always needed, some people do things for passion or practice; there are quite a few nice free open source games out there and software, most likely the browser you are making is done half by unpaid contributors
ben_vulpes: i'm just trying to point out why you're having problems retaining horsepower is all
ben_vulpes: just because she doesn't care about her boyfriend around that other guy doesn't mean diddly when it comes to your desire to get up her skirt
DreadKnight: ben_vulpes, yeah, I'm aware, that's why it's perfectly fine to pay people to work on open source and it's why I need some funding or get better at coding
DreadKnight: anyway, I partnered up with a coder this year, will see how that goes in the long run
williamdunne: >Forget MPEX. The best/most reliable stock exchange is, by far, BTCT.CO.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00028602 = 15.0017 BTC [+]
decimation: pete_dushenski: where are you at? vancouver?
decimation: yeah I've been through there, I wouldn't mind going back
pete_dushenski: decimation it's quite the place. not quite summer here yet tho. still only 16-18C during the day.
pete_dushenski: "sur" is too literal of a translation from english, "par bicyclete" even.
decimation: I don't think it ever gets too hot there?
mxtm: pete_dushenski: spanish uses en for "by" in cases of transportation
mxtm: which translates "in/on"
pete_dushenski: mxtm aha. sounds like anglocization but what do i know.
trinque: pete_dushenski: the guy who ended up top comment on the HN post
williamdunne: I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for two purposes, selling drugs and pretending to know stuff you don't
williamdunne: Anything outside of that is just abusing the tech
pete_dushenski: williamdunne except... the internet sucks for drugs. mp has an ancient essay on the matter.
decimation: pete_dushenski: mircea's 'story' on hacker news was quickly demoted to well below visibile for most folks
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Wasn't the first transaction ever completed on the internet the purchase of weed?
decimation: meanwhile this guy (hboeck) has a post that pretty much says "nothing to worry about", and is promoted to #1
pete_dushenski: williamdunne the first transaction was knowledge, no ?
williamdunne: Read the article, and I still don't see how that makes it bad for the last mile
☟︎ williamdunne: Obviously 10 tonnes of cocaine isn't going to be carried by FedEx
ben_vulpes: for one, fedex doesn't hire its submersibles out yet
ben_vulpes: people aren't even supposed to know those exist
pete_dushenski: williamdunne i really have nfi what the first trade was. if you say it's weed, we'll go with that, but that doesn't mean that first=best
☟︎ williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Family friend is working on something kinda cool for the other side
williamdunne: Its a line of speedboats that can go underwater on command without any real preparation to collect drugs dropped from boats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00028602 = 16.5463 BTC [+]
williamdunne: Disagree with the cause, but pretty cool project IMIO
☟︎ ben_vulpes: but if they're draining derpbuxx from the beast more power to 'em
ben_vulpes: ;;$(sleep 3600 && echo "!up pete_dushenski")
gribble: Error: "$(sleep" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: > gribble is not a tty. falling back to telnet.
pete_dushenski: you'd swear they were trying to keep their inventory for their grandchildren
pete_dushenski: so i walk into a shop on the edge of chinatown and find a beautiful mid-century modern walnut table
pete_dushenski: complete with two leaf inserts. perfect height (tall), in good condition, only $270 !
pete_dushenski: all they have are cardboard boxes, no freight boxes, no shipping relationships in place, no arrangements can be made.
pete_dushenski: honestly, there are thousands of cruise ship tourist visiting victoria daily, and these assderps haven't figured out shipping a box 1,000km IN THE SAME COUNTRY
pete_dushenski: just basic frieght is too complicated for these people.