log
trinque: I mean this assumes whatever sub-groups within the thing haven't been mining on their botnets for years
trinque: I don't buy that either
trinque: there are guys inside the beast not nearly as foolish as that Force guy
asciilifeform: trinque: if you mean 'botnet' in the traditional sense of the word, run the numbers.
asciilifeform: (botnet mining today is a fart in the wind)
trinque: who said today
scoopbot_revived: US Poultry and Egg Prices Headed To The Moon http://qntra.net/2015/05/us-poultry-and-egg-prices-headed-to-the-moon/
asciilifeform: and was a year ago. and two. and three.
trinque: I said "for years"
mircea_popescu: o.O the stuff qntra newses ?!
trinque: that's it; the price of eggs and poultry is going to do the USA in for good
jurov: they will import (unwashed! what horror) eggs from elsewhere
jurov: and find it surpprising for qntra, too
BingoBoingo: Things that adversely impact the utility of the USD is totally qntra
jurov: so... bitcoin price per egg is expected to stay constant?
danielpbarron: !up maxwell
jurov: oh i get it, it's litecoin
jurov: FLY CHIKUN
BingoBoingo: Sure
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh. << agreed. i'll continue to get my sea-legs with what I've got so far, but what we end up supporting in the end will be a gentoo on a bare-rails environment. unless any objections?
asciilifeform: bare-rails ?
mod6: real hardware.
mod6: non-virtualized.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so
danielpbarron: maxwell, didn't you register a key under the nickname mxtm?
asciilifeform: strong's masterpiece, among many other useful things, explains how to make optical fibers (by hand, naturally)
asciilifeform: what is the modern experimenter expected to make by hand ?
asciilifeform: grant proposal signatures ?
mircea_popescu: copypaste hey, http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2sG6S )
mircea_popescu: !up seraminta
seraminta: yasss wassup hoes
seraminta: i was told by my friend dan to come here
seraminta: i see he is here
seraminta: hello
seraminta: someone please teach me about this i am ready
mircea_popescu: who's your friend and who are you ?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron is this one of yours?
danielpbarron: ah, yes
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.mxtm.1:56b85c7ae290407ae089b8d262533fa748f89fd5322d85884cecb4882e22d744
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mxtm with note: a kid who lives in Boston and likes languages
danielpbarron: seraminta is one of the local girls
danielpbarron: she wants to learn about bitcoin
mxtm: that's me
seraminta: yes
seraminta: please teach me!!
mxtm: fuck, this pi case is really tight
danielpbarron: seraminta, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XIRU )
BingoBoingo: First step to learn Bitcoin is to put shoe on head, in private, and balance it there for much time. Teaches discipline necessary to Bitcoin.
seraminta: wow
seraminta: u 4chan peice of frick
seraminta: jk
seraminta: i'll read that now tho
trinque: BingoBoingo: then you chant "bitcoin is bitcoin" in the mirror each night
BingoBoingo: seraminta: Nah, not shoe on head for camera, shoe on head to teach balance and focus.
BingoBoingo: trinque: yes, while looking at agricultural price trends for the past two decades
mircea_popescu: trinque and sagavin comes to enlarge your bollocks ?
trinque: lol, yes he comes to increase your block size
seraminta: is this to like
seraminta: "mine" bitcoins
seraminta: or
BingoBoingo: seraminta: It is to increase your ability to say no to bad ideas
seraminta: what
seraminta: i dont understand how to lke
seraminta: get them
danielpbarron: there may be miners in here, but it's not limited to that
trinque: that is actually a very apt description of the medicinal effect of #b-a
seraminta: these links make no sense to me
danielpbarron: seraminta, how do you get dollars?
mircea_popescu: http://www.myhealthstoreonline.org/images/ProExtender/ProExtender-exercise.jpg << the 20Mb power changer.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u7SU )
seraminta: i have a job heh
mircea_popescu: seraminta http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
assbot: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u9tT )
williamdunne: seraminta: Bitcoin isn't free money
seraminta: ok but how do i
seraminta: do what yall do
seraminta: what do yall do for it?
williamdunne: Buy em'
danielpbarron: you read the log for 6 months to a year
williamdunne: Work for em'
williamdunne: Take pictures of your tits for em'
trinque: seraminta: before trying to acquire bitcoins you will want to educate yourself on both them and the technical considerations around keeping them
trinque: the logs here are indeed the best way to do that
seraminta: can yall just educate me on how to get that money tho....
trinque: as are the various associated blogs
mxtm: well you can trade for it
mxtm: for traditional fiat currencies
mxtm: or you can get paid in it in exchange for services, goods, etc
seraminta: what do u do for them?
trinque: seraminta: what interests you in them?
mxtm: i'm more of the trader type
seraminta: im a fan of money
danielpbarron: seraminta, you have been given many suggestions; repeating yourself will not yield a positive outcome
trinque: seraminta: what's money?
seraminta: what the hell dan?
seraminta: yall are being so vague
williamdunne: seraminta: How do you earn dollars? Would you like us to specify every position available on the McDonalds' team?
seraminta: okay but just by saying
seraminta: oh u trade for them
seraminta: is vague
seraminta: like
seraminta: trade what
danielpbarron: if you straight up just want some coin, I can sell it to you in person; just hand me cash
seraminta: how much is each thing worth like
danielpbarron: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.51, Best ask: 236.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 236.51, 24 hour volume: 29052.82160197, 24 hour low: 234.22, 24 hour high: 245.0, 24 hour vwap: None
williamdunne: $ in bitcoin out, its like magic
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.468966, Best ask: 235.48187, Bid-ask spread: 0.01290, Last trade: 235.467353, 24 hour volume: 61772.47790000, 24 hour low: 233.4011, 24 hour high: 244.75662, 24 hour vwap: 241.381998979
mxtm: where are you located, seraminta?
copypaste: 08:53:49*@mircea_popescu copypaste hey, http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uwVk )
copypaste: Yes, very nice mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: splendid.
copypaste: I especially like this: http://trilema.com/banners/trilema-online-rape.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uAo4 )
mircea_popescu: lol
copypaste: You'll get a lot of clicks from that from our users most likely.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima add more etc, but doesn't need to bother you.
copypaste: Cool
mircea_popescu: o also! anyone with a scooped blog can make himself a banner, hit me up with it.
seraminta: im in connecticut
seraminta: why
williamdunne: Because different countries have different trading systems..
trinque: seraminta: read this -> http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/
assbot: A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uJrF )
trinque: from there click links, or ask questions here
trinque: and read the logs.
mxtm: seraminta: well then ofc you can just do cash in person w/ danielpbarron here
mxtm: cash in mail is also a good option especially for "off the books" type stuff
BingoBoingo: Station wagon full of cash also works for larger purchases
trinque: lol
mxtm: and or a large box of cash
mxtm eyes the boxes in the closet he would never be able to fill
trinque: or a box of cash within which there are several boxes of cash
mxtm: i have all of these priority mail boxes and free tape now
mxtm: i want to use them
BingoBoingo: Nah, station wagons has always been the premier unit of data transfer and what is money, but data on who doesn't suck
mxtm: semen also transfers lots of data quickly
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: In some places delivery services are still the most cost effective way of transporting web data
BingoBoingo: mxtm: Not really. only encoded with 4 letter character set. T, C, A, G
williamdunne: I can remember a while ago a calculation being done that it was cheaper to have a 120gb SSD filled with data shipped to Canada than it was to download onto your existing drive
mxtm: lol
williamdunne: Including the cost of the SSD itself ofc
danielpbarron: https://i.imgur.com/bbXqps5.jpg << seraminta is the one on the right (best pic i could find)
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vctT )
danielpbarron: !up seraminta
seraminta: why
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know you gotta let people publish their own pics.
seraminta: did u post that dude lol
danielpbarron: i took that pic, it is my own. but i'll keep that in mind for future reference
seraminta: bye
copypaste: lol
copypaste: One moment please danielpbarron.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.
mircea_popescu: the human body has some permissible cuts, and the calves aren't it. if you don't cut the neck, the next is the torso, between lower rib and belly button, and if you don't cut that you don't cut anything.
danielpbarron nods
copypaste: danielpbarron: https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html
assbot: /b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vLUn )
copypaste: :^)
mircea_popescu: aww. now you've gone given him an irl problem.
cazalla: ahha copypaste
mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html#q2682495 see ? you lose at chans.
assbot: /b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vYa8 )
mircea_popescu: random lulz : in the 70s, romania was doing a very argnetine-like autarky thing. making local whisky, local everything. including local gin, which was made at covasna,
mircea_popescu: and consequently the brand name was covagin
cazalla: doesn't seem anyone wants to bang #3
copypaste: might just be a bad picture of 3
copypaste: not a very forgiving angle
cazalla: nothing forgiving about 1 out of 5 girls wearing jeans at the beach
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-tigancusa-spune-drept/ here, better set.
assbot: [NSFW] Tigancusa, spune drept... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2wGnY )
cazalla: fwiw, i'd bang all 5 but only admit to 2 or maybe 3 of em
mircea_popescu: also jeans at beach.
mircea_popescu: cazalla married men would fuck anything.
cazalla: no doubt about that
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130886 << so did zimmerman. and plenty of others.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:32:00; asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'
mircea_popescu: there's something about old men.
asciilifeform: aha. same dynamic.
asciilifeform: (how old is schneier ?)
mircea_popescu: "Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns" vbwghahgahaha
mircea_popescu: o god almighty.
asciilifeform: to be fair, the item under review was a prng turd written for turdroid etc.
mircea_popescu: you know, these schmucks have nothing of the quality of schmuckdom in the soviet times.
mircea_popescu: just as many poltrons then, but really, a lot more style.
mircea_popescu: now it's just... blunt. vulgar.
asciilifeform: what can i say, these folks have more distance between selves and the cultured times.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: the talmudists had it right, in their picture of wisdom being at peak (in their cosmography, in the era of moses) and fading away monotonically since
mircea_popescu: i dun think so.
asciilifeform: well, wrong about details, but basic idea
mircea_popescu: mebbe. tho i dun think so. not that i have any serious basis for it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130904 << dude. it's the pump phase of a pump and dump scam. what do you expect ? there is no connection between the depicted elements under the surface.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:45:12; asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?
mircea_popescu: it's like you're expecting to find flesh under a stand-up cut-out of angelina jolie.
asciilifeform: is it entirely inconceivable that they are in fact churning out miners ?
asciilifeform: how this act is financed is a secondary consideration. for all i know, they are whoring out their daughters to pay for it
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see any tripwire move.
mircea_popescu: maybe they're doing it in supersecret, but so far, on the balance of intelligence, it's just gift of gab.
asciilifeform: afaik no one alleged that this particular set is plugged in yet
mircea_popescu: has to be made.
mircea_popescu: you know, in a plant.
mircea_popescu: designed. you know, by someone.
mircea_popescu: etc.
asciilifeform: allegation was, by intel
mircea_popescu: where ?
asciilifeform: at one of their fabs
mircea_popescu: intel has a finite number of discrete fabs
mircea_popescu: they can't produce anything at "one of the fabs"
asciilifeform wasn't there, doesn't know at which in particular
mircea_popescu: there's oregon, arizona new mexico, some secret and some offshoire locations
williamdunne: The trilema rotator works on neither of my computers :/
mircea_popescu: williamdunne what happens ?
williamdunne: One one computer, nothing
mircea_popescu: see page source ?
williamdunne: On the other I get a very quick flash of the no image logo, which then disappears
williamdunne: Yeah I'll check it
mircea_popescu: should be something like $ curl http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2yFIO )
mircea_popescu: <a href="http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#selection-109.0-109.105"><img src="http://trilema.com/banners/trilema-purpose.png"></a>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite possibly they read the 2013 #b-a thread and took the advice of baking a hashing engine into an existing system-on-chip design
williamdunne: One thing:
williamdunne: 03:11:47.553 The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the page must be declared in the document or in the transfer protocol.1 rotator.php
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207363 @ 0.00027095 = 56.185 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah well. it's supposed to go into a diff page, with its own declarations, and it uses no glyphs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand the qty of engineering involved.
williamdunne: Source is:
williamdunne: <img class="hlfcdjdaavkkxwcvfwse" src="http://trilema.com/banners/bitbet-berkshire.png">
mircea_popescu: yes, they'll have this in five years. the effort required to do it in a year ? you'd hear.
williamdunne: Interesting, should work
mircea_popescu: williamdunne weird class ?!
williamdunne: Yeah, thats the one I'm getting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine is ~450 lines of verilog
mircea_popescu: it seems like your browser supplies it somehow ? the source has no class spec.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your embeddable bitcoin miner ?
asciilifeform: it isn't the most optimal in the world (far from it) and a 'serious', 'grown man's' miner oughta be designed at discrete logic level
asciilifeform: but the overall complexity of the act of mining is not high
asciilifeform mined his first, and for long time, only bitcoin, on an fpga for which he wrote a very elementary miner, as an exercise
asciilifeform: many other folks did this
asciilifeform: most of them, i will point out, long before i did
mircea_popescu awaits the 500 verilog lines gpu and the 2200 lines cpu to be released by intel soon=ish, totally busting the market.
mircea_popescu: it'll even fit in heads.
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ wc -l mips.v
asciilifeform: 359 mips.v
trinque: williamdunne: you using adblock?
williamdunne: trinque: I am
trinque: 'tis an ad
trinque: :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it won't be busting any markets. because 'how world works' (TM)
mircea_popescu: and so here we go, full circle.
mircea_popescu: trinque you figure it actually blocks an image wrapped in an url ? that's almost all of em ?
williamdunne: Yeah youre right, its adblock causing it
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Rotator and banner are probably both keywords
mircea_popescu: sheit!
asciilifeform: for the benefit of log readers, i will point out again, that a sha256 hashing circuit is dwarfed, complexity-wise, by all but the simplest 'homework' cpu, gpu, whatever other ic product
mircea_popescu: copypaste pls to use http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php instead!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2zBge )
asciilifeform: they only appear complicated because 1) folks slept through school 2) lack of popular access to chip fab tech translates to lack of interest in even the most elementary aspects of engineering
mircea_popescu: williamdunne does that work ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah they don't trigger it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mining is not just sha 256 hashing
mircea_popescu: copypaste because apparently adblocking assholery.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is also a counter, yes
asciilifeform: big fat full-adder.
asciilifeform: takes up all of 1% of the gates
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform miner without a node ? miner without any security w/e ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down; that's not my department, said werhner von braun...'
mircea_popescu: yes well, 90% of a job is not a job.
asciilifeform: the miscreants from earlier thread, with the cable boxes ?
asciilifeform: betcha plan is to have'em all hang off one node
asciilifeform: link rsa'd
asciilifeform: (at least, in outgoing direction)
mircea_popescu: will be fun to ddos then.
asciilifeform: if cable boxes, won't sit on public net
mircea_popescu: im sure nukes will help them keep it up.
asciilifeform: by 'hanging off one node', meant that the device issued to schmucks will not include a node
asciilifeform: (why should it)
mircea_popescu: for reliability.
asciilifeform: but merely the minimal iron necessary to getwork() from usg and return results in a form that is unusable to mitmers
copypaste: mircea_popescu: Do you wanat it put up now?
mircea_popescu: sure.
copypaste: OK. Give me a few minutes :)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130948 << tbh i think he has it, but anyway.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:55:40; pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
asciilifeform: i'm still curious, who is going to outcompete a hypothetical usg telecom monopoly inserting miners into cable boxes etc. and on what parameter ? cost of energy ? nope - schmucks pay. cost of manufacture? again, schmucks pay, indirectly. which is it ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130961 << i have internet here, no magic box. had it in romania too, they offered me the magic box. i didn't want it , the woman was in shock☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:58:34; jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
mircea_popescu: but i didn't take it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh tittydrip works :D
asciilifeform: ^ i think jurov was speaking of 'tv-style' interface where schmuck is not aware that he is using the net, doesn't sit around hunting for warez, etc. but just sits with ir remote & drools
asciilifeform: it is what folks pay for when they subscribe to 'cable tv'
mircea_popescu: oh, people still get tv ?
mircea_popescu has no idea about any of that market.
asciilifeform: (which, where i live, has long ago gone packetized, yes)
mircea_popescu: afaik it's like old style phone service
mircea_popescu: you get it with the internet and nobody uses it
asciilifeform: as discussed earlier, somewhere north of 20 million u.s. subscribers just for 'comcast'
mircea_popescu: i guess gramas use it or something
asciilifeform: and they use it.
asciilifeform: every restaurant in d.c. area, for instance, has it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 20mn users x 20 watts = doubling the current hash power. /me is unimpressed.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: just a warning
copypaste: trilema.com is using a self-signed cert
copypaste: it won't work correectly because most of our requests are served over HTTPS
asciilifeform: why it even has https
mircea_popescu: copypaste uh it shouldn't have https at all ? my references are all to http
mircea_popescu: you rewrite them ?!
copypaste: mircea_popescu: No, but most browsers won't allow HTTP in HTTPS pages.
mircea_popescu: ugh
copypaste: I can keep it at HTTP but "Content Security Policy" in Firefox and Chrome will block it.
mircea_popescu: shit.
copypaste: If it's on an HTTPS page. It'll only work on HTTP pages.
copypaste: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: listen, what if i push the image out as base64 ?
mircea_popescu: then no link
copypaste: I'm not sure I understand your proposal
copypaste: I'm linking via iframe like this
mircea_popescu: lemme have it changed, a second, then you see.
copypaste: OK
copypaste: <iframe class="trilema" style='width:728px; height:90px; border:0px; padding:0;overflow:hidden' src="https://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no"></iframe>
mircea_popescu: copypaste how about something like this : http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2AO7j )
mircea_popescu: has no references
copypaste: It won't work with the iframe method. I would need the source code of that file and run it on 8chan's server
copypaste: Because the iframe still refers to the plain HTTP trilema.com :(
mircea_popescu: ah i see
mircea_popescu: yeah but then how do i add/remove banners.
copypaste: Yeah exactly.
mircea_popescu: well what the shit.
copypaste: If you have any domain with a valid HTTPS cert you could use that
copypaste: And it would just work
mircea_popescu: i don't, because i don't use pki.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty well despised here.
mircea_popescu: can you give me a ftp user in a subdir on your server and run it from there ?
copypaste: I see, it makes sense. Unfortunately browser vendors have been very difficult about this lately.
mircea_popescu: of course they have. usg wants pki everywhere.
copypaste: Sure, that will work. You'll lose out on some stats stuff though that you could get by running it on your server
copypaste: e.g. how many impressions
cazalla: apparently these are the guns seized by aussie LEA, nfi if for real http://i.imgur.com/tQJkNNM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mKI3cI3.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B7z7 )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B5ag )
mircea_popescu: well alternatively you could just import the php from my server into your page
mircea_popescu: of course you'd have to validate the shit out of it.
mircea_popescu: but i can swear it won't be malicious, fwiw.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Pretty clear those are sporting equipment
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: what's that, airguns ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269587 @ 0.00027003 = 72.7966 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28613 @ 0.00027215 = 7.787 BTC [+]
cazalla: find out soon, i rang their contact centre and they said they'd email the images
copypaste: I wonder if I could just proxy from your trilema.com PHP script
copypaste: Like Bitcointalk does for images
copypaste: And also send you the real user's IP so you get stats.
copypaste: So https://8ch.net/trilema-proxy.php
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L368Og )
copypaste: Would that be OK?
mircea_popescu: you should be able to.
mircea_popescu: sure.
copypaste: Great, let me do that.
copypaste: This has the added benefit of bypassing uBlock.
copypaste: Which is the new vogue of adblocking software. It blocks crcossorigin requests.
mircea_popescu: as long as it punctures the pki bs i'm happy.
copypaste: Yep. Only one with PKI BS will be us, hehe.
asciilifeform: cazalla: looks like .22 (olympics caliber)
asciilifeform: (first image)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One's clealy a lever action, the other one appears to be a Ruger 10/22 (judging off of the magazing they laid on the OTHER SIDE of the levergun)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta appreciate, the usg is not the only one mining, nor has it been. at this point, the deployment you contemplate might allow it to catch up, but won't do much more than that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha. daisies++
asciilifeform: cazalla: the 2nd is of an обрез
BingoBoingo: Really the sort of thing Australia needs more of considering their rabbit problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that only neutron bomb could have a hope of dealing with that continent's real problem
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The spiders?
mircea_popescu: the women ?
asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131059 << except he already presumes it's not even useful. 490 lines of verilog don't allow for much remote diddle.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:15:06; trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131065 <<< lmao. why not just call on the heavenly angelic infantry at this point ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:17:26; asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd.
mircea_popescu: st thomas comes riding a flaming horse made out of female virgin saint asses
mircea_popescu: shooting psalms out of their assholes at the unbelievers.
trinque: mircea_popescu: what's your read of the exchange between pete and myself; I was hearing circular logic (no offense to pete)
mircea_popescu: re this toaster mining business ?
trinque: specifically that 'bitcoin is bitcoin' is a reason in itself
trinque: my response might be "well, why fucking bother with a WoT" for example
mircea_popescu: i think that argument holds water, to a large degree. recall the "bitcoin pervers the nsa" discussion with alf maybe a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: perverts*
trinque: that it pulls apart non-aligned organizations?
trinque: like that guy Force?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131671 <<< subtle but not as subtle as usual :P☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 02:55:36; asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)
mircea_popescu: no. thgat it realligns anyone.
trinque: I can see that point.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/proxy.php?csurl=http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BUA8 )
copypaste: Look good?
mircea_popescu: sure. but won't it bitch cause the img is http ?
copypaste: Oh yeah. Please use the b64 version like before
copypaste: That'll work perfectly
mircea_popescu: trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 << that convo.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
mircea_popescu: copypaste you use it lol. http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BYQi )
mircea_popescu: (lick not drip)
trinque: mircea_popescu: ty
copypaste: Oh, gotcha.
copypaste: I didn't notice the different URL, sorry ;)
copypaste: OK. I'm going to embed that now. I hope it behaves well under load. Time will tell
mircea_popescu is curious what the load looks like
mircea_popescu: haha yeah. keeping an eye on it here.
mircea_popescu: Server Load0.04 (8 cpus) atm
copypaste: I stuck it on all the boards. 8chan uses a style of rebuilding where a new post rebuilds a thread on a board
copypaste: I have to force rebuild the boards we agreed to
copypaste: For it to show on all threads and indexes
copypaste: I'll go do that
copypaste: But you can see it here already: https://8ch.net/pol/index.html
assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CcXG )
copypaste: Oops, I forgot to remove Coinbase
copypaste: As we agreed. I'll do that.
mircea_popescu: danke
mircea_popescu: trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: this thing cuts a lot more universally than one'd reasonably expect, and quite scarily in its degree.
mircea_popescu: "you can't halfass bitcoin" is the thing. which property is why i was musing that it's more like a force of nature than anything else.
mircea_popescu: displays exactly the feynman property of "nature".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150450 @ 0.00027215 = 40.945 BTC [+]
trinque: I begin to understand -> mircea_popescu:you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to.
copypaste: OK done. I'll go run that rebuild now. https://8ch.net/pol/
assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CmOD )
copypaste: Thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: o sheeit look at that :D
trinque: the idea that human action inside a monetary system will reflect the incentives/disincentives of that
mircea_popescu: mike wakes up, checks stats, is all o.O gets excited, comes here, says so before reading the log, then we link him to this k ?
mircea_popescu: trinque human freedom is a very limited thing, after all.
trinque: yep
trinque: sort of like "will steam engines be used" -> "yes, after all, they exist"
trinque: works out when considering the context the second statement is made within
trinque: gunpowder
trinque: so on
trinque: so what did I have a problem with...
trinque: it was that there's nothing to act upon within "bitcoin is bitcoin"
trinque: but I suppose so what.
trinque: sounded a bit like "after all, we're the Romans"
decimation: my cable modem 'received an update' as soon as I plugged it into the cable network. even though I owned the modem, I had absolutely no say or ability to stop the install
decimation: we did docsis once here before, it's a 'walled garden'
trinque: it's strange and a bit exciting to think that a single human can do something which then becomes almost *environmental* to the others
mircea_popescu: trinque which is directly why i said that bit about http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.105
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CTQT )
mircea_popescu: and i'm not entirely sure the meta-universe is open to you at all. there isn't any space for you to "Act upon" in this enlightened, gender savvy, "i am an actor in a movie and i read the script" sense.
mircea_popescu: all you got is what you got. your wot, your job, your wife, your boxen etc.
mircea_popescu: copypaste btw you gotta rate me too!
copypaste: Oh, of course :D
copypaste: Let me finish rebuilding these boards, it's a pain in the ass to do it manually...
mircea_popescu: no rush.
mircea_popescu: and write a script!
menahem: i don't know whats up - but links to selections aren't working for me. they were at first, but not anymore.
decimation: one thing that occured to me about the 'wot concept' is that one benefits by having your wot intersect your 'enemies' wot
copypaste: i did ;)
mod6: this is bizzare. i can only get the ssh keys to work /after/ I set a password on the user acount on the instnace (in /etc/shadow). if the user doesn't have a password set, just asks for a pw when connecting. (gentoo uclibc hardened) am i missing something obvious?
trinque: mircea_popescu: selection thing isn't working, last paragraph?
decimation: and that being that 'intersecting person' is probably a valuable position
copypaste: foreach ($config['banned_ad_boards'] as $i => $b) { echo "php rebuild.php --board $b\n"; }
copypaste: then pipe that to bash
copypaste: :p
decimation: mod6: is it an issue with pam?
mircea_popescu: heh. everyone : try the location thing again nao ?
decimation: authentication is tricky business
mod6: decimation: hrm. could be i guess. i'll check into that.
mircea_popescu: decimation i would imagine the larger it gets, the more useful it is.
mircea_popescu: as many times discussed, it's not about the points.
mircea_popescu: Server Load0.03 heh i dun think this will be a problem
decimation: no, but it is not likely that wot structure would be uniform either
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131078 << more generally, as long as they pay to play like everyone else, they should be able to play just like everyone else. why not.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
mircea_popescu: how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ?
mircea_popescu: who totday remembers them all even.
decimation: I find it terribly unlikely that any formal usg employee is mining bitcoin
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131084 << currently, cn is actually ahead as far as this thing goes.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:20:29; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes
mircea_popescu: ru is entirely fucktarded, which amazes me.
mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.
mircea_popescu: maybe because bitcoin doesn't run right on windows, who knows.
decimation: it does seem likely that someone in the world has an interest in cuckolding infrastructure
menahem: decimation i was told that canadian gov employees were mining bitcoin. however, when i asked about pools and block rewards, they had no idea what I was talking about. so... it definitely seems highly unlikely.
cazalla: i vaguely recollect someone was using the machines at the ABC (gov owned tv channel) to mine bitcoin back around 2011
decimation: it's possible someone is using infrastructure for a private purpose, but I can't imagine it is officially sanctioned
cazalla: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/secret-money-abc-virtual-currency-racket-probe-20110623-1ggp6.html there we go.. so technically australia gov first and bestest miner
assbot: Secret money: ABC virtual currency racket probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyIvkB )
cazalla: guy didn't get sacked either
decimation: usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault
cazalla: decimation, sorta what i was thinking in regards to double spending.. why would they need to do it when they can just pay you and steal it back
cazalla: although i guess just because such scam would work on me is not evidence it'd work on everyone
copypaste: mircea_popescu: you have your first fans https://8ch.net/b/res/2684297.html
assbot: /b/ - new ads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2DOR8 )
cazalla: gee that didn't take long for people to accuse copypaste of being mircea_popescu
copypaste: mircea_popescu: you should probably put target="_blank" on the ad <a> tag so it poens in a new tab
copypaste: one guy said it didn't work
copypaste: "Blocked loading mixed active content "http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/"[Learn More]"
menahem: "Into the adblock filter it goes." lol, these people blocking some of the most valuable info they could possibly get. as MP calls it - missed opportunity.
menahem: though I must admit, I did the same thing once.
mircea_popescu: copypaste lolz
mircea_popescu: ah doing yes.
mircea_popescu: copypaste i wonder what the mixed content thing is
copypaste: It works now
copypaste: Mixed content means mixed HTTP/HTTPS
copypaste: It's a new thing added by browser vendors
copypaste: They don't allow HTTP content on HTTPS pages anymore.
decimation: ssl everywhere!
mircea_popescu: ah mkay. anyway, server load was throughout < .2 so i dun think that'll be a problem.
copypaste: Great!
mircea_popescu: and i intend to keep the mix more or less varied so.
mircea_popescu: prolly a buncha people send more banners once they wake up/catch up with the log.
decimation: ^the fact that this is even possible demonstrates the laugh-ability of pki
mircea_popescu: decimation you don't understand how teh world works!
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is a jewish conspiracy so these guys are shills, probably working for JIDF."
mircea_popescu: word.
cazalla: lol
cazalla: bit obvious that one was mine but would do better in a pol thread
copypaste: you could open a service like a-ads
BingoBoingo: !s Van Ads
assbot: 33 results for 'Van Ads' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Van+Ads
mircea_popescu: i nearly did a while back, but meh.
mircea_popescu: well, 20k impressions served so far, notbad.jpg
copypaste: !rate mircea_popescu 2 Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4efef792fbd75716
cazalla: from ben garrison's new book lol https://8ch.net/pol/src/1431570130032.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyLvxq )
copypaste: !v assbot:copypaste.rate.mircea_popescu.2:f09d7cfdf4c180ab010f2c613430f01942fd618289ebc028950b5093135046c2
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads
mircea_popescu: what is brittle bone disease ?
copypaste: osteogenesis imperfecta is the medical name
mircea_popescu: oh the collagen thing ?
copypaste: yes
mircea_popescu: sucks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127250 @ 0.00026684 = 33.9554 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/b/res/2684297.html#q2684968 << bwahahaha.
assbot: /b/ - new ads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfy2rn )
mircea_popescu: little grasshopper...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131778 << if we're going in the direction of 'cuckold miners,' i'm not sure why anyone imagines any of it is attributable with any certainty in any direction whatsoever☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 03:33:20; mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.
mircea_popescu: this part of the tradecraft is all puffs of smoke alf. exactly the opposite of engineering
mircea_popescu: practically speaking mysticism
BingoBoingo: Oh shit http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35wtcp/trilema_ads_on_8chan/
assbot: Trilema Ads on 8chan : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfyk1e )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which smoke ?
copypaste: BingoBoingo: Now two people think I am Mircea.
mircea_popescu: just saying, puffs ofsmoke. they move deterministically, and you know they're there, but WHAT are they ?
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Or shills
mircea_popescu: copypaste people think everyone's me. at some point they thought i was a chick.
copypaste: Because of MPOE_PR?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/leonard_wong_on.html < "This study found that many Army officers, after repeated exposure to the overwhelming demands and the associated need to put their honor on the line to verify compliance, have become ethically numb."
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfyzcF )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo any idea what the fedora thing is ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a neckbeard thing.
mircea_popescu: is neckbeard anything other than libertard for "bad" ?
BingoBoingo: It's a kind of bad, an aspie flavor
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a specific character, in their imagination, quite akin to the nazi Jud Süß
mircea_popescu: orly ?
asciilifeform: aha but with a minus sign.
mircea_popescu: decimation i think soldiers kinda get numb anyway.
cazalla: this pretty much sums up the fedora thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzaalWYqRo
assbot: fedorable_parkour.mp4 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfz72d )
decimation: mircea_popescu: in this particular case, the guy claims that usg levies so many 'requirements' on its employees that no human could possibly fulfill them
mircea_popescu: this would not surprise me.
decimation: so everyone lies, pretending to achieve 100% compliance
mircea_popescu: sorta like taxes.
decimation: some young officers - tought from entry that lying is very bad - find the real working of usg to be shocking
mircea_popescu:  Good signature from Fredrick Brennan <admin@8chan.co>. Verify this message yourself << check out this shit, a gpg-ready chan
mircea_popescu: " API for reports for board owners [allows you to have an IRC bot tell you when you have reports"
mircea_popescu: dude... this shit has come a very long way.
mircea_popescu ran a romanian chan years ago.
asciilifeform: what is, in this context, a 'chan' ?
decimation: apparently a bbs
asciilifeform: generic term for www forum ?
copypaste: Indeed mircea_popescu. I hacked the codebase considerably
copypaste: https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity
assbot: ctrlcctrlv/infinity · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyOHJp )
mircea_popescu: a, you did a bunch of work there ?
mircea_popescu: but this at start was a futaba or what ?
copypaste: Yeah. It was really basic when I started.
copypaste: It started as Tinyboard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in this context, a chan is a type of forum, used most famously by 2/4chan
copypaste: I wrote the catalog ( https://8ch.net/b/catalog.html ), a lot of the javascript (desktop notifications etc), all the board creaetion feaetures, etc
assbot: b - Catalog ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyOPIU )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are the defining characteristics of this type ?
decimation: but no drug wars game
copypaste: There's a lot if you go back in my commit history, heh...
asciilifeform: or do they all descend from same proggy ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lightweight structure, specific cli style commands and a requirement to start threads by embedding a picture. they're purely cosmetic, it's just a sort of forum ubuntu, if you take vbulletin to be windows.
mircea_popescu: they i think all descend from the same thing (aka, futaba) reimplemented x times
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: and it all runs in php!
mircea_popescu: which is probably the cutting-edgest application php ever knew.
decimation: ^ one wonders why nobody bothered to write something like this in pure c, given the performance demands
mircea_popescu: i doubt there's actually that much of an edge to be had, unless one goes all the way to mold it into nginx
mircea_popescu: have a chaninx
decimation: yeah, good point, would have to re-create the whole stack of shit
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: decimation: the result of c in the hands of imbeciles is generally microshitesque
decimation: which would be like engineering a sand castle with a toothpick (to paraphrase ascii)
copypaste: more fans on the videogames board: https://8ch.net/v/res/3744246.html
assbot: /v/ - What is this ad? ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyPI49 )
copypaste: you're quite popular mircea_popescu :D
mircea_popescu: i am ?
copypaste: Very few ads get threads made about them.
trinque: decimation: friend of mine wrote a 4chan scraper in c here -> waifu.xyz
trinque: ah crap it's down
trinque: see that's why you don't do it in C
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: how bad do they suck btw ? graphically i mean
copypaste: The tit one is good. I bet you get some clients from 8chan.
mircea_popescu: should be interesting.
decimation: scraper is much easier than writing the server stack. as yarvin put it "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory. The men who man these castles are men indeed, quick in emacs and hairy of neck."
trinque: nah the whole site's C
mircea_popescu: techniocally speaking apache is c too
trinque: it's a site that scrapes 4chan for webms and archives them
decimation: sure
mircea_popescu: or was, at some point. before glibc
trinque: he wrote the http thinger, all that
trinque: guy likes abusing himself with 'write it in c' quests
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131123 eh, mebbe we make it to 130ish☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:27:31; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: within 100 years, we will -all- be as deadly as pirate...
mircea_popescu: people do, even today.
asciilifeform: eh but how deadly are they at 120.
mircea_popescu: cixi was okay. so was stalin
asciilifeform: stalin at 120, roommate with hitler in buenos aires ?
mircea_popescu: lol. no, stalin at right before he was about to get beria
asciilifeform: 74
mircea_popescu: but technologee!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 34 @ 0.139 = 4.726 BTC [+]
trinque: "I don't think you can raid b-a anon" << lol!
trinque: says latest guy in /b/
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/216NK1W << check out the story of bots. so assbot checks the link. bitly bot checks it too two seconds later. google ? twenty seconds later.
assbot: dpaste: 216NK1W ... ( http://bit.ly/1A1AAaL )
mircea_popescu: EMERGENCY!111 b-a has posted a link to things!!1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173309 @ 0.00027257 = 47.2388 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ben_Garrison
assbot: Ben Garrison - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1A1ByUd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160363 @ 0.00027278 = 43.7438 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142137 @ 0.00027423 = 38.9782 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00026519 = 10.6606 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00027451 = 11.7216 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6 and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins have the fix)."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239432 @ 0.00027461 = 65.7504 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232509 @ 0.0002752 = 63.9865 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41412 @ 0.00027693 = 11.4682 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up toddf
mircea_popescu: davout btw, isn't your paymiumthing an exchange ?
mircea_popescu: https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/shrine_of_statists.jpg heh, not bad that ben garrison
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIbT9 )
mircea_popescu: https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/authority_man.jpg well worked at any rate.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIflN )
mircea_popescu: https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/al_gore_climate_change-2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4FErE )
cazalla: shame those ones are edits of his originals
trinque: lol
trinque: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IftYhBRLllk/VVAMl45O1SI/AAAAAAAAA38/myDSGzElEPg/s1600/m00t_ceo_of_troll.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4G1Cx )
trinque: http://garrisongraphics.blogspot.com/
assbot: Ben Garrison ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4G2qc )
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know i vaguely recall this entire butthurt thing @internet trolls
cazalla: yeah i think i mentioned his work with OHPI (online hate prevention institute) like a year back
mircea_popescu: http://garrisongraphics.blogspot.com.ar/2015/04/8chan.html
assbot: Ben Garrison: 8chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIPA2 )
mircea_popescu: heh
cazalla: the shit is so pervasive that you can't find his originals half the time lol
mircea_popescu: seems a great compliment.
mircea_popescu: o copypaste can i also has argentina! seeing how i live there atm.
copypaste: Yes, you can. That board is in Spanish though so you might want to use a different page, or not.
copypaste: I saw your article about McDonalds printing money there, very funny. I'm partial to Colombia as far as Latin American countries go personally though.
mircea_popescu: im half considering it. you ever been ?
copypaste: Yep
mircea_popescu: not really much like what people imagine.
copypaste: You could probably run a nice Bitcoin arbitrage out of Argentina if you did it right.
copypaste: They have some crazy currency controls
mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed. they're too poor and too retarded.
cazalla: so AFP got back to me.. those pics i shared earlier are legit (yet the newsarticle shows an mp5 lol) and AFP tells me that they never sent the guns despite press release saying they did a controlled delivery and guns were seized
mircea_popescu: aha...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62129 @ 0.00026023 = 16.1678 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "A students' union officer who is employed to promote diversity at a London university has reportedly asked white people and men not to attend an anti-racism protest meeting.
mircea_popescu: Bahar Mustafa, the welfare and diversity officer at Goldsmiths Students' Union, told students that the union meeting was only open to "BME Women" - females of black and ethnic minorities."
mircea_popescu: sounds legit
cazalla: seen her? she's white as
mircea_popescu: lulzy to me.
mircea_popescu: honestly i watch the news from anglosphere today like i watched the news from biafra twenty years ago, as a child.
mircea_popescu: a mixture of glee and excitement at the outlandishness of it.
mircea_popescu: (biafra was a part of nigeria during civil war. famine and nutty shit)
cazalla: yeah never heard of jello biafra or anything like that before that.. o.0
cazalla: but yeah, heard of it before and it being short lived
mircea_popescu: i suspect it defined "africa" for half a century.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185250 @ 0.00026023 = 48.2076 BTC [-]
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131450 but the boobs must be right in the middle!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 01:37:03; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118100 @ 0.00027693 = 32.7054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 20000 @ 0.000207 = 4.14 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195672 @ 0.00027694 = 54.1894 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how about using mikes dynamic banners for that?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243717 @ 0.00027844 = 67.8606 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86060 @ 0.0002798 = 24.0796 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140332 @ 0.00027823 = 39.0446 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 356866 @ 0.00026736 = 95.4117 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154950 @ 0.00028139 = 43.6014 BTC [+] {2}
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131946 <<< yes☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 06:15:47; mircea_popescu: davout btw, isn't your paymiumthing an exchange ?
mats: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/5/13/739
assbot: LKML: "Jason A. Donenfeld": [PATCH 0/4] ozwpan: Four remote packet-of-death vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaaxwI )
asciilifeform: mats: wtf, who ever even used that thing
asciilifeform: mega-snore.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131941 << very typical.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 05:53:05; punkman: "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6 and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins
mats: asciilifeform: i was amused
williamdunne: ;;later tell mircea_popescu have you purchased ads on 8chan? I just saw a trilema ad asking to buy photos of my tits
gribble: The operation succeeded.
williamdunne: !s stoya
assbot: 36 results for 'stoya' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stoya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88152 @ 0.00028258 = 24.91 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: williamdunne: yes he did. and you're human female?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127900 @ 0.00028323 = 36.2251 BTC [+] {2}
williamdunne: jurov: I miss that qualification
jurov: here it says "I'm giving away 0.1BTC to any human female that.."
danielpbarron: !up MykelSilver
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187817 @ 0.00028441 = 53.417 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/us-companies-are-throwing-a-fit-because-theyre-losing-control-over-the-internet lulzmine
assbot: US Companies Are Throwing a Fit Because They're Losing Control Over the Internet | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1cAqClu )
davout: williamdunne: re ads see log
danielpbarron: >> about how they've been treated unfairly by the International Corporation of Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) << so not really "the internet" they're losing control over, but the stupid naming system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00028161 = 9.2227 BTC [-]
jurov: you know anyone who really does not use the stupid naming system?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143550 @ 0.00028656 = 41.1357 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: isn't that the goal in here eventually?
jurov: i don't remember any concrete proposal
danielpbarron: the gossipd thing
jurov: but there will certainly be some stupid naming system over it.
jurov: but if you really want to call me BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 ...
jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion
mod6: In this case, wouldn't you just be called "Juraj Variny (jurov) <rini17@gmail.com>"
mod6: ?
jurov: hmm, that's true
ben_vulpes: there's also the urbit style naming convention for keys
jurov: but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89648 @ 0.0002867 = 25.7021 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: this assumes the name has any import.
ben_vulpes: "namshub" et al have no import, are just mnemonic devices for remembering the keyids
ben_vulpes: "you wouldn't share a key!" (tm)
jurov: that's neat example for engineers' blind spot for naming
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZm8vNHBSU
assbot: Piracy it's a crime - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FguW4v )
jurov: names have too long history of being bought, sold, stolen or counterfeited to neglect them such
ben_vulpes has a blind spot for derp problems in general
davout: jurov: the naming in gossipd is supposed to be local
ben_vulpes: /etc/hosts, basiclolly
davout: pretty much
jurov: so if, say i start doing coinbr support over gossipd, and i transfer it, have to ask everyone to update their /etc/hosts?
ben_vulpes: transfer what - your hosting key?
ben_vulpes: routing key?
jurov: anything! keys cannot be really transferred
jurov: new owner would want completely new keys
mod6: <+jurov> but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name? << then there would be a deed detailing the transfer of the name to a new key fingerprint?
jurov: can't we just use namecoin?
jurov: to be sure everyone has the latest deeds
ben_vulpes: dns is dumb
ben_vulpes: global lookup mapping of names to servers is dumbbbb
ben_vulpes: http://www.razik.com/bikes/ << but this bike is sweet
assbot: Bikes | Razik.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fgw2gS )
mats: that price tag though
mod6: <+jurov> can't we just use namecoin? << yeah, I thought maybe this was addressed in the logs before...
mod6: !s namecoin
assbot: 166 results for 'namecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=namecoin
mod6 looks
jurov: yes, no one takes it seriously
mod6: aight well, have to check later. bbs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00028707 = 17.8845 BTC [+]
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132055 <<< neither can reputation, so maybe it's actually a feature☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:39:24; jurov: anything! keys cannot be really transferred
jurov: that needs the notion that "all corporations die with their owner" to catch on
davout: ben_vulpes: you call that a bike? that's a bike http://moto-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/1/3/8/3/2/Suzuki_GSX-R_1000_2012_4.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSrAZH )
kakobrekla: jurov there have been such cases.
jurov: so?
jurov: i wrote "all"
davout: jurov: not all corporations have a single owner
davout: also if the transfer procedure is specified in the initial contract that shouldn't be a problem
ben_vulpes: davout: http://cdn.blessthisstuff.com/imagens/stuff/descricao_ryno_motors_scooter.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSrSjd )
davout: ben_vulpes: oh god
jurov: how does "initial contract" resolve the problem of transfer without previous owner retaining the key?
davout: you can specify the conditions under which you'd transfer the business to another key
jurov: such as? all copies of previous owner's gpg key to be provably destroyed?
jurov: :D
kakobrekla: such as failing to sign 'ping' in time?
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
davout: jurov: well no, owner 1 deedbots "o hey, i'm out, speak to owner 2 starting July 1st 2015, kthxbye"
davout: owner 2 has own key, problem solved
kakobrekla: and if owner 1 dead?
kakobrekla: or in captivity?
davout: well, i guess you're fuxxored unless there was a sensible plan in place
jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead
davout: jurov: what would be the point?
jurov: better than current "expiration date" mechanism
jurov: (which mp effectively obsoleted)
davout: how did he obsolete it? also key expiration and "dead" flag seem functionally quite different
ascii_field: wai wat
jurov: you usually don't know in advance when a key needs to expire or get invalidated
jurov: and when you try to use this "expiry date" stuff, your mpex account expires,too
jurov: whereby with this "dead" flag you issue non-expiring key and decide what happens and why
davout: you can always extend the expiration date of a key
davout: it's not set in stone
jurov: mpex does not honor that
davout: how do you know?
davout: mpex either speaks GPG or it doesn't
jurov: http://mpex.co/faq.html#18
jurov: i had one time exemption, had to change the key to non-expiring
davout: hmm, if it doesn't update keys you can start with a non expiring one and add the expiration date after opening your acct
ascii_field: something like deedbot for key expirations (and the presently nonexistent but direly necessary expire-for-new-signatures-only) is inevitable
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: and yes, the only way to solve the expire-for-new-sigs problem is, likely, to require blockchain turd emission for every single sig, for such a key
danielpbarron: !up warptangent
danielpbarron: warptangent, who are you? (i see you have a key registered but no ratings yet)
danielpbarron: ah, monero guy?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132033 << the cultural shift is not optional - 'do business with keys.'☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:10:00; jurov: but if you really want to call me BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 ...
ascii_field: key can say what it likes to be called, sure
ascii_field: but no one is to be -identified- for purposes of trust by his claimed name, rather than key
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132085 << the machine for transferring things from one key to another is called... blockchain☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:57:52; jurov: how does "initial contract" resolve the problem of transfer without previous owner retaining the key?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132096 << enemy captures keyserver, publishes all keys as 'dead' l0l☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead
jurov: there has to be only one keyserver?
ascii_field: jurov: however many
jurov: and this can be in blockchain, too
ascii_field: if there is a 'key is dead' token that one is relying on some third party to keep secret - it can be captured
jurov: what?
jurov: what third party?
ascii_field: jurov: referring to the 'dead man switch' thread from earlier
jurov: no recent pings seen in blockchain after $configurabletime = key dead
ascii_field: jurov: when it is dead, how do you prevent folks from signing with it 'backwards in time' backdated to before death ?
ascii_field: as i understand, the only way to do this is to require a blockchain 'ping' with -every- signature
jurov: must sign current merkle tree
jurov: stuff that cannot be predicted in advance
jurov: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: jurov: signing today's tree can be done tomorrow, no ?
jurov: only the tree's date is considered for purposes of dead man's switch, what's the problem with it?
ascii_field: jurov: for the purposes of establishing the time of a particular signature
ascii_field: say key 'died'
ascii_field: how to prevent folks from backdating signatures to when it was alive
jurov: how would it help them?
ascii_field: the whole point of 'expiring' a key is to prevent its use in the future
trinque: ascii_field something like deedbot for key expirations (and the presently nonexistent but direly necessary expire-for-new-signatures-only) is inevitable << could you use a specific message format with the deedbot- as is?
ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor'
trinque: I could also make changes to the thing to accomodate; maybe it rolls over all messages looking for particulars, produces some output every X
jurov: owner signed last merkle hash from a month ago, nothing seen from that key since
jurov: so the consensus is the key is dead
ascii_field: jurov: but what if someone 'unearths' a signature from last year that no one has seen before ?
kakobrekla: ping timeout
jurov: not valid anymore
ascii_field: then useless idiocy
jurov: "shoulda come sooner"
ascii_field: like today's expiration thing
ascii_field: i'm not expiring my signatures retroactively
ascii_field: and no sane person ever will
ascii_field: because it is retarded
ascii_field: but i also want to be able to upgrade keys
jurov: as i wrote, mirce deprecated upgrading keys
ascii_field: this is his greatest error and i'm not afraid to point at it
ascii_field: keys - must be upgradeable. sanely.
ascii_field: (the other thing is, he didn't forbid upgrading keys - simply happens to charge 30 btc for the service)
mats: SciPy talks announced http://scipy2015.scipy.org/ehome/115969/292868/?&
assbot: Accepted Talks & Posters ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSBf2n )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 3400 @ 0.00034038 = 1.1573 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: <jurov> mpex does not honor that << davout: i can confirm this
ben_vulpes: it's in the readme, you see.
davout: yup, wasn't sure of whether *proxies* updated keys as opposed to the engine, but i guess that yes, it's pretty plainly written
jurov: the engine did not even had time sync till 20 minute drift was discovered
jurov: mircea's ideal is a schrodinger's box apparently
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they're the wrong size but yeah, that's the correct solution
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey mike! can you make the bitbet banners in 728x90 ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://digitalmoneytimes.com/crypto-news/bitcoin-isp-soon-to-be-traded-on-mpex-bitcoin-securities-exchange/ << so who's JP Buntinx ?
assbot: Bitcoin ISP Soon To Be Traded on MPex Bitcoin Securities Exchange | Digital Money Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjuZyW )
Adlai: "Furthermore, Bitcoin ISP offers no shares servers"... right, mpex serves shares
scoopbot_revived: Williams Pleas Guilty to Debunking Polygraph Pseudoscience http://qntra.net/2015/05/williams-pleas-guilty-to-debunking-polygraph-pseudoscience/
mircea_popescu: Adlai hey, wouldja like to advertise your jdif blog on /pol/ ?
Adlai: pf, /pol/ is my jidf blog
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: as time goes by, i get more and more fascinated by the concept of "offended"
mircea_popescu: davout make a paymium banner then!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132034 << the spec is that you can allocate whatever nicks you wish, LOCALLY.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:14:04; jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion
mircea_popescu: aka decentralized namespace.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, the solution to zooko's triangle is to use the local-global axe on the fucking knot. unique and secure names globally ; memorable locally.
mircea_popescu: (this is exactly how nature does it - as far as it's concerned the namespace is the genotype, as far as you're concerned you just use a nick for the fenotype)
mircea_popescu: spent millenia not even knowing there was a global namespace, perfectly happy.
kakobrekla: http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote
assbot: GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIyQyu )
kakobrekla: check it out, Common Stock - Each GBTC share represents ownership of approximately 0.1 bitcoin
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132066 << it was addressed. derps aren't here.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:47:33; mod6: !s namecoin
kakobrekla: _approximatley_
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's how the new garrs and nefarios and gigavps and etc run the same old scam. "it COULD be 11btc each. YOU HAVE NO PROOF IT ISNT"
mircea_popescu: etc etc, 2012 all over again in a new tardstalk.
kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time.
kakobrekla: hold till moon, err i mean zero.
mircea_popescu: right ?
scoopbot_revived: Nature vie avec jeune fille http://trilema.com/2015/nature-vie-avec-jeune-fille/
mircea_popescu: !rate silbert -1 Arrogantly ignorant twerp, de facto scammer through it.
assbot: silbert is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: color me surprised.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field realized that one could, in principle, microfabricate logical circuits made of magnetic amplifiers (as seen in well-known 'сетунь' trinary computer)
ascii_field: no silicon, or doping thereof, required.
ascii_field: machine then is made entirely of classically conductive material.
ascii_field: (and insulators, such as air)
mircea_popescu: could this be printed ?
Adlai notes that JP "Morgan" Buntix left out the customer qualification criterion
mircea_popescu: (with modified printer, not plastic obv)
ascii_field: printed, etched, photolithographed, ...
ascii_field: stamped
ascii_field: lasered
ascii_field: pick favourite.
Adlai: laser etched :)
mircea_popescu: ah lasered
Adlai: hand carved!
mircea_popescu: actually - lasered into a chunk of uranium, so that selected atoms turn into gas.
ascii_field: wat
decimation: ascii_field: did you see that ibm has licensed third parties to produce 'power8' servers?
decimation: I think tyan is coming out with a mobo soon
ascii_field: decimation: no, and can't imagine why i'd care
decimation: non-intel cpu
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you have a discrete cristalline lattice of U, selected nodes get energized to the point they split, creating Xe
ascii_field: still usg turdware
decimation: yeah, but possibly better designed
decimation: supposedly ibm open sourced the full specs
decimation: http://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/10/08/tyan-ships-first-non-ibm-power8-server/
assbot: Tyan Ships First Non-IBM Power8 Server ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIBfcz )
jurov: wat, etching with neutron beam?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how do you propose to deliver neutrons selectively where you want it to pop ?
mircea_popescu: jurov ayup.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, tachyons for all i care.
ascii_field: U fissions either by itself, or not at all, or when neutronned at
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't propose how. i propose what.
mircea_popescu: division of labour!
ascii_field: otherwise we're flying airplane powered by my farts. (i can also 'propose what, not how' l0l)
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: or build schodinger boxes (with trade engine instead of cat within)
jurov: iirc i have some pending withdrawal out of said box, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: eh ?
ascii_field: http://www.pmillett.com/tubebooks/Books/mag_amp.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EICtVd )
mircea_popescu: til mpex has withdrawals too
ascii_field: ^ ancient scan
ascii_field: basic idea is a transformer whose output varies, given as a second (or more) circuit gets to saturate (or not) its core.
ascii_field: -not-, pointedly, a relay - there is no mechanical motion or wear
jurov: interesting. but does it work at high freq?
ascii_field: no.
ascii_field: well, nothing approaching transistor
ascii_field: (which was created for a reason)
ascii_field: (magnetic amps long pre-date semiconductors. nazis used them in subs, rockets, for instance)
mircea_popescu: !up joshc
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
jurov: http://imgur.com/t11sbfh :)
assbot: Oh The Irony - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1A40cDD )
mircea_popescu: hahaha
ascii_field: l0l
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132200 <<< whiskey tango foxtrot, seriously☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 19:33:38; kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132185 <<< alrighty☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 19:23:06; mircea_popescu: davout make a paymium banner then!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132093 << not the real problem. what if owner 1 then comes back, covertly.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:03:34; kakobrekla: and if owner 1 dead?
kakobrekla: i dont belive in resurrection
davout: what if you incorrectly believe in death
mircea_popescu: owner 2 can always repudiate future signatures on the grounds that "it wasn't really me"
Adlai: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
Adlai: mircea_popescu: how'd you like to open another PC?
Adlai heard there's still coin burning holes in that pocket
mircea_popescu: i recall we discussed this and it closed.
Adlai is not talking about fiat trading
Adlai: although there is some common ground between fiat and what i'm talking about, which is: neither of them "exist"
Adlai: http://joinmarket.io/
assbot: JoinMarket Browser Interface ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIHXPE )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132096 << nah☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead
mircea_popescu: keys never expire. the meaning you give them may expire, and that's entirely your own personal problem. but otherwise, once found, the integers are there and can be multiplied.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132108 << because it doesn't update keys.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:13:44; davout: how do you know?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132130 << the "key deadness" as somehow a part of the key itself, is not only conceptually ridiculous but practically unimplementable. forget it, it's about as relevant to gpg as "the gnu foundation"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:03:07; ascii_field: if there is a 'key is dead' token that one is relying on some third party to keep secret - it can be captured
jurov: so, in 10 years 4096bit keys will stand in danger of cracking, what do you do? force everyone to pay 20-30btc again?
mircea_popescu: historical accident.
mircea_popescu: jurov absolutely.
ascii_field: one could picture a few 'cheats.' consider one: key, when promulgated, contains a large but finite set of values Q such that hash(hash(...(P)...) = Q, while P are retained as private. every signature must contain a unique Q from this set. when it is time to retire the key, you spend the remaining 'bullets' all at once.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field makes keys too big, doesn't actually offer anything other than the equivalent "at key promulgation, use it to sing a list of nonces, with understanding that statements w/io the nonce are void", let wot enforce this.
mircea_popescu: which in turn reduces to cargo-cultish supersecurity.
mircea_popescu: "oh, i encrypted this TWICE, it's much harder now!"
ascii_field: one cannot claim the same degree of 'hardness' for this as for the actual rsa, correct
mircea_popescu: there are some things that don't need fixing. what needs fixing re gpg is to use rsa throughout, rather than the current lulzatron.
ascii_field: but there -must- be a way to proclaim, with all the certainty that can be mustered, the fact that 'i signed with this before but -never intend to again-'
mircea_popescu: intentions need not be nor can they be part of signed matter.
ascii_field: and have this cemented in blockchain, on babylonian stone plinths, wherever
mircea_popescu: people have a way of coming to odds with their intentions
ascii_field: fuck'em
mircea_popescu: without human mediation, this is more of the "smart contracts" coolaid.
ascii_field: we have technology that can, with some certainty, prove that i did something at a certain moment in epoch time, plus or minus ten minutes
ascii_field: this plus rsa is good enough to sig-only-revoke.
ascii_field: (the tech is called bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: you have a comment field in the keys as they are now. put in there "This key not valid after block 175552"
ascii_field: merely suggesting a machine-readable standard for this, yes.
ascii_field: without the current idiotic retroactive cancellation of signatures
mircea_popescu: i do not belive machines should have any imperium over valid keys.
ascii_field: more of warning-light than imperium
mircea_popescu: it's what they say.
ascii_field: not that extant gpg honors expiration dates, to virtually everybody's great annoyance
ascii_field: *note that
mircea_popescu: i think the NOTION of expiration dates is broken.
mircea_popescu: you can't un-discover some integers in a certan mathematical relation.
ascii_field: it is only broken because it mixes abstraction-hardness levels, yes
ascii_field: remember the 'what colour are your bits' article.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: very much along the lines of that.
ascii_field: they cannot be undiscovered, yes. and don't have a baked-in temporal peg
mircea_popescu: so, the key is there. how do you COLOR it, that's your job.
ascii_field: pegging temporality requires some kind of agreement on mechanism
ascii_field: otherwise you get disputes and wankery where there should be 2+2 certainty.
mircea_popescu: there is necessarily not going to be 2+2 wankery.
mircea_popescu: i mean certainty
ascii_field: aha. but whatever approximation is physically possible, with clearly stated limits, ought to be achieved.
mircea_popescu: what are you, from the gui department ?
ascii_field: just as digital computer, theoretically, does not exist. but the approximation we use is 'almost same'
ascii_field: i'm from the shit that actually works within physical limits dept.
mircea_popescu: ah, but mind that there's no in principle reason a computer might not exist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177350 @ 0.00028593 = 50.7097 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132148 << a simple solution to this being, of course, just making a deed.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:10:26; ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor'
trinque: and nobody's stopping anyone from signing some JSON or what have you
mircea_popescu: My new key is X, use of Y key past this point is unsupported. Signed by Y.
ascii_field: this oughta be machine-readable.
mircea_popescu: as per trinque above.
mircea_popescu: and it specifically should be 'unsupported'. For all you know a key ends up rediscovered five billion years later.
jurov: yeah, cthulhu appears and says you rediscovered his 5bn old key which he proclaimed expired long ago
mircea_popescu: lol
trinque: so you could publish some schema for representing this and arbitrarily other such statements into the deedbot
trinque: then make reference to that deed when you use that schema later down the way
trinque: to me these are actually the most interesting use cases of the thing
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132163 << eh, i deprecated upgrading keys like i deprecating getting new suits.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:13:18; ascii_field: this is his greatest error and i'm not afraid to point at it
mircea_popescu: go into the shop get a new one made, what. you want to turn the old one in for a new one ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, the army ?
jurov: does the bank stops you from accessing your account when you get new suit?
BingoBoingo: It does if new suit includes ski mask
mircea_popescu: if it's any good, yes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, make some qntra banners ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure
mircea_popescu: ;;seen nubbins
gribble: nubbins was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <nubbins> any messages, gribs?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <nubbins`> bbl doing things
jurov: we're talking about upgrading gpg keys according to known protocol, not some ski masks
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` yo nooblet, make a pink eyes banner ? :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: jurov we're talking about this situation where the total number of keys mpex charges for is = to the maximal number of keys ever used. that is not happening.
jurov: no it will inevitably be less
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: ever used simultaneously*
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: used simultaneously ?
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ascii_field: this is... 7th time? we had the 'mpex discourages key upgrade' thread ?
mircea_popescu: if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours.
mircea_popescu: mpex does not discourage anything. mpex charges, because mpex is a business.
ascii_field: aha, to upgrade key, mircea_popescu has to take a прогресс м-27м to orbit, and unscrew the old one, then retro-thruster and parachute capsule back to b-a
ascii_field: this costs approximately 30 btc.
mircea_popescu: keys are identities. identities have to qualify themselves. the qualification happens to be pay 30 btc.
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to care who your daddy is.
jurov: it's a racket yo
mircea_popescu: im that democratic.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu can charge 3000 btc if he likes, sure
mircea_popescu: but i do suspect i should increase it.
mircea_popescu: btc is way too cheap anyway.
mircea_popescu is off to ponder this idea.
ascii_field: aha too cheap. lusers like asciilifeform can almost afford 30
jurov: mp is the only one to qualify being on mpex, didn't you know?
ascii_field: it's his widget.
ascii_field: how many zeros to weld on to the price, his business
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119500 @ 0.00028161 = 33.6524 BTC [-]
jurov: no, go on, annoy him
jurov: if he adds several zeros, perhaps coinbr will see some volume after all
ascii_field: or some competition, l0l
jurov: they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api
ascii_field: jurov: i thought the gnarly api was part of the 'bozo filter' just as the price was
jurov: yes and building something over it is yet another level
jurov: i suspect boilers will have much better ROI than another honest broker
ascii_field: better roi until pop, aha
ascii_field: i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key to not be a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?)
ascii_field: perhaps when he wakes up again, will tell
jurov: it's not set into stone, you know
ascii_field: ?
jurov: he's born into wrong time, prolly wants to build a pyramid
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> well, nothing approaching transistor << what sorta frequencies *did* work?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: a few khz
jurov: stone carving just are not upgraded
jurov: *carvings
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i suspect this can be pushed up as the transformer cores are made smaller and coils themselves shorter (less inductive)
ben_vulpes: mhm
jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_logic says 1MHz
assbot: Magnetic logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5TudA )
ascii_field: in the miniature version i suggested, performance may well edge into overlap with the worst silicon
ascii_field: jurov: magnetic logic as described in the literature mostly 'cheated' by including a diode with each gate
ascii_field: (read scan from earlier to learn why)
davout: meanwhile, http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/ leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD
assbot: Domain Error · Ghost ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5THgG )
ascii_field: in the hypothetical machine, we cannot have the diode.
ascii_field: waat
ben_vulpes: <jurov> they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api << ah, it's not that bad, just write a parser for the variety-speaking ad-hoc blublang
ben_vulpes: ragel's sitting right over there, etc
jurov: ben_vulpes: if you followed my adventures, i have got parser for $30 from romanian student
ben_vulpes: (for the uninitiated: i'm being very sarcastic)
jurov: it was the rest that took half a year
ben_vulpes: do you do a stat before and after placing every order?
ben_vulpes: actually you know what?
ben_vulpes: i don't feel like loading the MPEx api into my head today.
ascii_field: funnily, i still have it in my head
jurov: ben_vulpes: no, that is not necessary :)
ascii_field: (from phree demo in late 2012)
jurov: but you still have the account?
ascii_field: no
ascii_field: it was a demo
jurov: but beta accounts are still fully functional!
jurov: i have one
ascii_field: it wasn't an early beta, it was a demo just for me
ascii_field: mircea_popescu even gave me a 1 btc to drive it with
jurov: l0l
ascii_field: which i later gave him back
ascii_field: (actually ~1.4 that it turned into)
ascii_field: that demo was actually my first contact with mircea_popescu
jurov: you did not keep 0.4 funbux?
ascii_field: (initially, just with hanbot)
ascii_field: jurov: nope. ( https://blockchain.info/address/1LBimqMN5ftYgfQthcrBpqPDpC4H3c2w7o )
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1LBimqMN5ftYgfQthcrBpqPDpC4H3c2w7o ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5UbU9 )
jurov: or you traded hanbot out of 0.4 funbux and then gave them to mircea instead?
jurov: :DDDD
ascii_field: l0l
ascii_field: (ancient post, where i described why did this: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1139 )
assbot: Loper OS » Bitcoin Adventures. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5UhuQ )
jurov: yes i remember
ascii_field: but answer is no, it wasn't a proper beta account, it was a one-off demo that dissolved in ~month
jurov: 1up ascii_field
jurov: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: unrelated: http://gfycat.com/ImpracticalEducatedGraywolf
assbot: DirtyMasseur - Noelle Easton - Gfycat ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5VmD1 )
cazalla: much better than the grainy tumblr shit someone else links :)
BingoBoingo: http://gardenrant.com/2015/05/the-compostable-cup-trials.html << lol envirofraud
assbot: The Compostable Cup Trials | Garden Rant ... ( http://bit.ly/1bT5k1V )
decimation: re: pay 30 btc to upgrade mpex keys < does this mean that if you can crack an mpex key you get to use it?
decimation: so when 4096 bit keys become crackable - unlimited phree accounts?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not cups but i vaguely remember about 25 years ago that they did a big song and dance about biodegradable plastic bags here down under and how they would be phased in and the old ones phased out, yet to this day they still carry on about plastic bags
cazalla: nice gardening blog btw, ty for link
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Ironically I stumbled into it looking for ways to kill certain unwelcome plants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152362 @ 0.00028427 = 43.3119 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64938 @ 0.0002838 = 18.4294 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75753 @ 0.00027199 = 20.6041 BTC [-] {2}
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