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nubbins`: i disconnect often enough that authing isn't really a priority
nubbins`: although you guys do miss out on a lot of witticisms
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why is why I !up you. I am suffering wit deficiency
mod6: oh i know what it is.
mod6: i bet that the damn translation of my email address did it
mod6: so yeah, i signed "<modsix@gmail.com>"
mod6: and then the turdalator changed it
mod6: if you could be so kind... just change the text to that and see if it verifies.
mod6: ok cool, good catch ascii
mod6: i'll send out a new copy.
mod6: when i had mutt setup properly with my own mx it was pretty sweet because it would check sigs and everything automagically.
mod6: one of these times, I gotta get mutt back going again
mod6: ok i re-sent with a new version number and "<modsix at gmail dot com>" written in by me.
nubbins`: this is one of the only ones still unlocked
nubbins`: scroll down to where people start making connections between TECSHARE and WoodCollector via domain whois
nubbins`: about halfway down the page there are some pretty funny pictures of me
nubbins`: heh now people are asking TECSHARE for screenshots of his PMs
nubbins`: did someone put LSD in the water?
BingoBoingo: The thing that sold me on WC as a fraud is that and actual master carver would focus on edges instead of relief making the BfL dildo feathered and much more painful.
nubbins`: "arch your back" "WHAUET? I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
mircea_popescu: lol "i advise people to learn html, becausre that's a language and it worked for me. wut ?"
decimation: "Newcomers to the IC may not realize that the CIA presence in the Oval Office during the George W. Bush administration was the exception, not the rule."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you have a good file on the Bitcoin Magazine drama. I'm at a loss for history on that one.
BingoBoingo: When they told me in early 2013 to not bother submitting to them I kind of exiled them on my own.
BingoBoingo: Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together.
decimation: "And the consumers of intelligence say out loud “Why should I trust you on this issue when you were wrong on that one?” Weak performance in one DI area immediately calls into question all work in the CIA."
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: random: is there a reason the piece doesn't do "Continued reading"?
thestringpuller: not a big deal just have to scroll to see other pieces on qntra front page
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Sometimes fresh qntra pieces don't have it right away, this one has it now though.
nubbins`: popped open my volca sample yesterday, was pleased to find MIDI out points clearly marked
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nubbins`: ^ other members of the volca family have many more easter eggs hidden
nubbins`: alf, you seem like the kind of guy who would, in another life, have a massive modular synthesizer in your basement, patch cables and eurorack modules all over the place
nubbins`: like this, but with a nicer suitcase
nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: After the war I might have to get you a tuba, instrument of kings
nubbins`: i might have to get him a monotron
nubbins`: that sort of brain is actually made for synths
nubbins`: as long as you can twist a rotary encoder, you can set notes
BingoBoingo: Tuba is a great instrument for outputting polyphony solo
nubbins`: that, there's not much helping
nubbins`: but if you like the idea of directly manipulating sound waves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Culprit is bone conduction.
nubbins`: and channeling them through various components of your choosing...
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decimation: asciilifeform: we are all blank slates, subject to the state's desire for learning
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly that too. I am lacking in that department as well. Tuba is forgiving in that regard.
BingoBoingo: Tuba/Euphoniums are the only solo sort of wind instrument I can play where actual sound produced overpowers bone conduction bias that would otherwise render me tone deaf
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nubbins`: lotta fun out of the box, but also lots of neat mods hidden inside.
moldysnizz: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 Good with his hands...
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nubbins`: they actually released the schematics for the monotribe as well
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: You gotta recover that keypair
nubbins`: asciilifeform, then you'll love the monotribe's ribbon keyboard :D
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you and my piano teacher (also russian and similar demeanor) would have interesting dirnking convos
nubbins`: as granular as your fingers are small.
moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted. << This I experience as well.
nubbins`: why am i trying to sell you an analogue synthesizer?
nubbins`: are these notes we're talking about or tones?
BingoBoingo: My hypothesis is that whistling and humming acquire the correct pitch by way of bang-bang correction. The delay between each “bang” your brain produces and the resulting sound is imperceptibly small, because the vocal apparatus is located so near, and the necessary muscle motions are so minute. Thus, the correct pitch seems to come out as if by magic. And yet no magic is involved. << Normally magic of musicians with perfect pi
BingoBoingo: tch is being able to surrender to hearing the wrong thing when they perform themselves and simply mapping correspindence to the right hting.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i dunno man, it honestly sounds like a 'tribe can do what you're describing
nubbins`: asciilifeform it's got a digital step-sequencer built into it, so once you find your correct input tone, you can map it to a step.
nubbins`: it'll store 8 or 16 steps and loop them
decimation learned 'a' (440 hz) by listening to 'wwv'
nubbins`: but the actual sound production side of it is 100% analog, so full granularity on pitch, tone, a bunch of other things
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music. << This so much
nubbins`: i once dated a woman who worked at a craft store. a guy comes rushing in one day screaming about music paper. he needed to write down the notes in his head before he forgot them.
nubbins`: if i'm not mistaken, your problem is the inability to express your tune as either notes or as a hum that can be recorded
nubbins`: sounds like my understanding of the nature of reality
decimation: perhaps the 'digitization' of a piano keyboard is a convenient simplification for the brain - structure allows creativity, etc
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decimation: asciilifeform: I think that came from combat doctrine
decimation: but certainly has connections with control theory (feedback systems)
BingoBoingo back then did not realize was treading chumpatron
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, the 'selling point' is that you can take it through an airport
decimation: not that a regular 'leatherman' (sans knife) couldn't go
decimation: but the derps who run the airport security chumpatron would 'trip' on 'leatherman-like object'
decimation: it probably won't reach the critical 'man adoption factor' and therefore will be hated and uncool
decimation: also I think it would be rather inconvenient to disassemble and reassemble watch to use screwdriver
trinque: BingoBoingo: I kinda like it
trinque: I've done some chiptune stuff, nothing good
BingoBoingo: trinque: Thanks. Made with "Noteworthy Composer" a lowest bidder sort of Win32 music typesetting software that can output to MIDI
TheNewDeal: you type in notes and it outputs MIDI values?
BingoBoingo: at the time it was click on staff and select note to drop.
BingoBoingo used 1.x series unfamiliar with this version 2 bullshit.
BingoBoingo likes to imagine an alternate history where that one piece of turdware and imagined uses of it did not keep self on Windows for an unconfortably long period of history
trinque: I can never stay focused on it (rather, cannot pull self away from moneymaking endeavors) long enough to finish something
trinque: all came out of playing in renoise
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BingoBoingo: trinque: If Deedbot has a need for sounds...
trinque: I hear scope creep is met with beatings.
BingoBoingo: Generally for mandatory creep. If a deed.py client for deebot materialized later...
BingoBoingo: Dunno why deedbot would need a deed.py client though
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trinque: speaking of things I should throw cycles into
trinque: I'm going to afk for a bit and finish up some work stuff, then see about haxing on the bot
decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism?
BingoBoingo: 9 years ago the debian official random number was 6. Now glibc fuckery is uncovered. Imperial nudity advances.
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danielpbarron: huh, I seem to be shadowbanned on reddit -- finally!
trinque: danielpbarron: you telling christians what their book says again?
decimation: asciilifeform: the whole episode steers one toward bsd
trinque: I'm considering wiping out this gentoo install with openbsd
BingoBoingo: trinque: Before wiping best to play with OpenBSD on some designated toy hardware. I can not recommend the Micheal W Lucas book enough.
trinque: decimation: meant which bsd?
decimation: eh. I've played with openbsd - it's not a very big ecosystem
trinque: BingoBoingo: fired it up in a VM and felt like I sort of knew my way around
decimation: but it is probably more security-minded with W^X and ASLR
BingoBoingo: 5.7 will bring as kernel space ASLR, also current on some platforms has that, but is... unfinished
BingoBoingo thinks Brent Cook going to OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to Linux in a long time.
BingoBoingo: Other than Google using OpenBSD's libc for Android over Gnu libc
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'll grab Absolute OpenBSD, ty
BingoBoingo: trinque: Indeed. Only current through 5.4 or 5.5 but differences since are well documented. The book is good for differences versus Linux and other BSD's
BingoBoingo: trinque: M.W. Lucas is a sort of sage for commonly overlooked sysadmin stuff.
decimation: isn't there significant differences wrt the kernel?
danielpbarron: if you have beginners openbsd questions feel free to ask me
trinque: danielpbarron: cool, sounds good
BingoBoingo: One very useful area the book discusses is configuring sudo users
trinque: BingoBoingo: a best-practices in general thing or something specific to openbsd's sudo?
BingoBoingo: trinque: In this tome a lot of OpenBSD specific stuff, but also general good practices. M W Lucas also has a sudo mastery book as part of his security trinity.
danielpbarron: i also have the sudo mastery book, although i haven't cracked it open yet
devthedev: Soteriology puts a killing on my brain
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well most people complain about the big kernel lock.
BingoBoingo thinks it would be fair to say Linux is silk shirt, FreeBSD is wool shirt, OpenBSD is hair shirt, and NetBSD is rolling around naked in poison ivy
mod6: anyway, so the script that i re-posted to the list wont work
mod6: gpg --logger-file chicken.sig.log --homedir .gnupg \
mod6: - --verify chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
mod6: ^----- the turdalator adds this dash on parse
mod6: jurov: check this out
mod6 breaks random things
mod6: im just gonna post the fuckin script to the website direct.
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mod6: actually, jurov, it's not the fault of the turdalator
mod6: as it seems, gnupg did that nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
mod6: you know, before I did any of that, i thought about doing a detached sig, but then i wondered if something really funky would happen, like it would get somehow added to the patch-list automagically, and it doesn't belong there either.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 06:00:40; asciilifeform: in-band signalling is inevitably lame.
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:58; mircea_popescu: see ? god hates us.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, pick a better number of cesium vibrations for the official figure
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Convenient political fiction to cover a simple rounding error
BingoBoingo: Because significant figures... Maybe if things desync this often more figures are significant than are politically convenient
BingoBoingo: rather than admit far smaller digits have meaning they would rather make the world bark on command.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ? << perfectly fine with me.
decimation: asciilifeform: usg actually proposed getting rid of leap seconds
decimation: accumulate them for years into some kind of 'leap hour'
decimation: asciilifeform: but if you eliminate the correction for leapseconds, you are going to create one extra step for someone who is trying to derive longitude from solar position
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not necessary, just create a better definition of second
decimation: BingoBoingo: no definition of a second will cover the variation in the earth's rotation
BingoBoingo: decimation: And the boundaries of fiat timezones are any better?
decimation: a leap second is literally correcting for the fact that a cesium atom vibrates with more precision than the earth spins about its axis
decimation: time zones have nothing to do with leap seconds
trinque: ditch days, nobody goes outside anymore anyway
trinque: all hail glorious cesium overlord
BingoBoingo: Ah, but time zones have everything to do with the imprecision people are willing to accept when it comes to time
decimation: well, the whole thing comes down to this: what ought to govern the period of a day? the rotation of the earth or a random clock?
decimation: right now it's the rotation of the earth, even though it varies
danielpbarron: a second will henceforth be known as 1 six-hundredth of the average time it takes for a bitcoin block to be found
mod6: ok, so i sent the build.sh script in plaintext with a detached sig to the mailing and it just never showed up. lol
mod6: so i added the file direct to the website, along with the sig file
mod6: would one of you gentlement verify it for me?
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2014 04:19:25; mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
BingoBoingo: decimation: You forget I am one of the luck ones who sleeps ad libitum, who through the #b-a logs primarily judges time in GMT in spite of proximity to 90 degrees west
BingoBoingo: Let time stay constant. If planetary rotation slows acknowledge that as the problem.
BingoBoingo: Why should the measurement of time suffer for the insufficiencies of celestial body movement.
mod6: does anyone like thebitcoin.foundation/banner.html ?
mod6: BingoBoingo: werd. been consider switchin to hard-core mode.
mod6: has anyone else used PC-BSD?
mod6: decimation: thanks!
decimation: BingoBoingo: well, if the atomic clock is your timekeeper, than leap seconds are silly
decimation:
http://www.leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm " GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 16 seconds. "
BingoBoingo: decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock.
decimation: sure. do you have a clock that will but sub-second accurate across decades?
mod6: asciilifeform: what size display do you ya have? i checked it out with lynx too, looks pcool.
mod6: lemme see on this pcbsd box, its set to 1024x768
TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure.
mircea_popescu: note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks
mod6: looks ok on that box
mircea_popescu: time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition.
danielpbarron: TheNewDeal, not frequently.. but i host a cash game every saturday
BingoBoingo: Time is not a feature of physics. It is imposed by the apperception upon the manifold.
TheNewDeal: the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers
mircea_popescu: even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades
mircea_popescu: this is like "rigurously" defining womanhood as "n individual sex acts"
decimation: yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy'
BingoBoingo: Time is properly not measured from reality, but imposed upon reality.
mircea_popescu: standards generally are a recent thing. but time is particularly iffy when you try to bridge what's fundamentally unbridgeable
decimation: isn't that what your processor is doing right now?
mircea_popescu: note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight,
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, which is why we just had a cve earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency"
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb.
BingoBoingo: Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception
mircea_popescu: we can agree that any convention is provably broken. that's by definition.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase
mircea_popescu: i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be.
decimation: sure. but note that the precision is measureably poor
mircea_popescu: such as, contracts. "rent this appartment for 50`000 blocks"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as that determination was made in a certain system that precludes so and so :)
mircea_popescu: "hey check it out, as long as im measuring atom transitions by atom transitions, atom transitions do not appear to misbehave!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why i laid into him. he wanted micro precision somehow magically over macro spans.
mircea_popescu: otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics.
BingoBoingo still maintains official apperception independent time standard off of wound spring.
decimation: well, your 'bitcoin clock' would be pretty poor at precisely measuring a range of natural phenomena, with epicycles aplenty
mircea_popescu: sure. but perhaps it would be great at measuring economic and perhaps even social and political phenomena.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ima try an' catch up. apparently can't sleep
Dimsler: what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
mircea_popescu: how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it.
mircea_popescu: maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off
gribble: adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Adlai> 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
Dimsler: good ol Rutherford-Bohr model
mod6: asciilifeform: sweet. what'd ya have to patch?
adlai: mircea_popescu: sup
decimation feels sorry for the poor celestial navigator who is thrown off the timebase bus
decimation: asciilifeform: did you have to patch gcc to fix the bug you posted the other day?
BingoBoingo: spring operated wrist mounted time standard is only 1.5 minutes off of ntp reported time in 8 years of constant operation.
decimation: BingoBoingo: did you set it in those 8 years?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only hourly corrections for DST, but I do that based on raw feels.
Dimsler: since we are discussing horology
Apocalyptic: teward's quit message faking a segfault in znc
adlai: mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse.
decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
☟︎ mircea_popescu: adlai no dude, weren't you looking to run a PC based on it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
☟︎ adlai: that was mentioned as a possibility. what do you mean by "MPIF is direct"?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Man has never done that since ptolemy
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary
BingoBoingo: * decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public.
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h
mircea_popescu: ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government.
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic
mircea_popescu: ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:24:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is
mircea_popescu: adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ?
adlai: i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory
mircea_popescu: Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again.
mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
☟︎ Dimsler: the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka.
Apocalyptic: trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ?
mircea_popescu: i think it's so tense and comma-tose because you're too tight. gotta learn to relax without liquor.
decimation: Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp
Dimsler: decimation, at great cost to the quality of life for the average german
BingoBoingo: My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman.
mircea_popescu: thousands of dacias sailed out of timisoara EACH DAY by train, for over a year
BingoBoingo: Marmot sounds like an absolute shit animul
Dimsler: yes and all those euros that flew in to build roads
BingoBoingo: Not a grand animal builder of bunkers for a post nuclear age
Dimsler: the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency
mircea_popescu: what, the french in alger, the belgians in congo, the erryone errywhere.
adlai: mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00040042 = 14.0652 BTC [+] {2}
Dimsler: neo-colonialism was not a sustainable endeavour
decimation: of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945
mircea_popescu: adlai you don't have to have a mpex account to be a pc manager if that's what yer asking.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation.
adlai wants to minimize counterparty risk. if mp is investing in a trading shop, why should mp's money leave mp's ex?
Dimsler: decimation, i believe simon heffer rejuvenated that idea back in 2011
adlai: what's mpex, a text-based casino?
Dimsler: "Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."
mircea_popescu: adlai dude, you're making yourself impossible to follow. i thought you wrote a fx bot that works on 2-3 exchanges currenty and you're looking to finance it.
decimation: as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology
Dimsler: what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when.
Dimsler: decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps
mircea_popescu: Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you just said it worked a moment ago ?
decimation: Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)"
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, LOL i know
mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl...
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16474 @ 0.00040604 = 6.6891 BTC [+]
Dimsler: excuse my ignorance but what is b-a?
decimation: mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion
gribble: There were no matching configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you going to write a full step by step guide and publish on blog ?
adlai: mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things
mircea_popescu: as it is, it dun exist. has to have rounded corners yo! but anyway! let's do packaging separately.
adlai trusts himself with his own money, barely.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wouldja be willing to package asciilifeform's final pogo stuff into a very detailed, any noob can get it post ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron drop an address i'll send you a few dollah so you can buy yourself a few pogos to try it all out on.
Apocalyptic: re self-centered cultures, I recently stumbled upon Bridgewater, a hedge fund that mainstream media often described as "a cult". It shares several concepts with b-a
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. im prepping your packager so you don't have to do it yourself.
Apocalyptic: mircea, nope. Maybe some qntra writers will find it worth an article
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When hardware replaces pile cooked by fucking NetPG will try. Worst BSD experience ever. Would not lament painful demise of NetBSD devs responsible for that abortion.
decimation: I had to do that to make it build on openbsd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves it worked by "ignore missing deps" flag at compile time lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk"
mircea_popescu: "First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term ‘coined’ by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises"
decimation: asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to.
mircea_popescu: decimation asciilifeform only q is, does it take less than 10 mins per block.
BingoBoingo: Now now, apparently distributive justice is a concept white people who redefine queer to no longer mean gay take seriouslu
adlai: mircea_popescu: scalpl has existed for less than a year. puberty rarely starts in less than a decade. by this metric, i'm optimistic!
decimation: what does cat /proc/timer_list | grep resolution return?
adlai is not looking for a lump sum right now / yet. "scalpl is an experiment"
decimation: interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer
decimation: yeah it's not really able to measure 1 ns with precision
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.
mircea_popescu: "The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in
mircea_popescu: which such control can be exercised is through a democratic, collective agency."
mircea_popescu: a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ?
mircea_popescu: line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list
mod6: yeah. it ate that one of mine too. its hungry.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" << in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness.
mircea_popescu: "organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version.
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, if such a person would spew such nonsense to many kings of yore he would be hanging from a tree
mircea_popescu: on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic.
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia."
decimation: of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened
mircea_popescu: a religion that likes to call itself political because out of historical accident it replaced yahveh with something identical but called "reason" for no good reason is realy butthurt at this
mircea_popescu: anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media.
BingoBoingo: Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere
mircea_popescu: prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch.
decimation: mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers
decimation: even our security theater is made of plastic these days
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.09, Best ask: 257.18, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 255.99, 24 hour volume: 15905.86238738, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.153636816
decimation: with that I bid good evening gentlemen
mod6: that's what it does though, chews up ram
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let it go, what. see what happens if it's unattended till tomorrow.
mod6: and you're on like a 128mb pogo or w/e right?
assbot: It's 2015, and we can't even resolve DNS without accidentally executing code :(
mircea_popescu: come back in 24 hour sor w/e you have time, see how far it got.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mind too pickled to make trigger decisions atm
mircea_popescu: once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots.
BingoBoingo: Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise
mircea_popescu: lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior.
mircea_popescu: "did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?"
tripleslash: "so which is it: did you have two momrs or two dads?"
BingoBoingo still reels over 2015 college definition of queer including MP
BingoBoingo: Because now everything but man with singular wife and children is queer
tripleslash: I'd argue man with singular wife and children is queer.
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets.
tripleslash: damn, I was hoping it was being reclaimed from its original perjorative form
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people
mircea_popescu: didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ?
BingoBoingo: Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game.
mircea_popescu: "some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35478 @ 0.00039431 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00038911 = 9.9223 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo also working on a comment to the Godfather Trilema.
BingoBoingo is sure the Godfather is not an Italian work, but a middle western greek tragedy
BingoBoingo: Hinges on Puzo knowing he was making trash of pulp, but making pulp that was flattering and salable to hollywood
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron exact model discussed at length in teh logs, search for pogo.
BingoBoingo: "Sold by National Liquidation" is not an encouraging sign
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040395 = 20.2783 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese.
mircea_popescu: " I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating."
BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D
pete_dushenski: "hey guise, i just noticed something funny and i know you're gonna laugh at this too"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew.
pete_dushenski: there are creative ways to send letter to make sure they get read
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif
pete_dushenski: The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency.
BingoBoingo: Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave.
mircea_popescu: well because they kinda like having the export and the local currencies separate.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: pretty sure you can pay someone to do that with btc now
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism.
mircea_popescu: like, imagine you were married to an idiot, but she got a special scrip you issued, no dollars.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction.
mircea_popescu: moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then
pete_dushenski: why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption?
mircea_popescu: the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, they'll go right into the abyss claiming it never happened.
BingoBoingo: Maybe as the editorial line. Perhaps 3 can be saved from there.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin"
pete_dushenski: The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website. << just tawk then?
mircea_popescu: apparently they are moving it into position to support the shanghai union.
mircea_popescu: that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone.
pete_dushenski: huh interesting. but it seems like aus has plenty of opportunity to pivot to china
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1146 @ 0.00105732 = 1.2117 BTC [-] {22}
mircea_popescu: they're monolinguistic, and stuck i nthe wrong language.
BingoBoingo: AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing
mircea_popescu: nz (and to a lesser degree aus) are choked by this monopoliust position on real estate
BingoBoingo: US for its faults at least has faults. Can break into mircostates.
pete_dushenski: and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that
phillipsjk: OK, I have a 40GB packet capture ready if I get DDOS'ed.
BingoBoingo: I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much.
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: how is poverty dealt with differently in mircostates?
phillipsjk: Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes.
mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
mircea_popescu: Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid. Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times.
mircea_popescu: So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway.
mircea_popescu: Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced. Pray on this."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: New Salem to Springfield. Multiple times a week.
mircea_popescu: decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism? << quite likely.
mircea_popescu: having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00040395 = 3.9991 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Imma sleep now, but contemplate 20 miles. Just about as long as one can reasonably walk in a day on flat land. About as far as a group can reasonably defend as a border without submitting to a Kyriarch.
BingoBoingo: Lincoln's New Salem State Historic Site, about 2 miles South of Petersburg and
BingoBoingo: about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where
BingoBoingo: Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New
BingoBoingo: Salem formed a turning point in his career. Although he never owned a home here,
BingoBoingo: Lincoln was engaged in a variety of activities while he was at New Salem. He
BingoBoingo: clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster
BingoBoingo: and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General
BingoBoingo: Assembly in 1834 and 1836 after an unsuccessful try in 1832."
BingoBoingo: Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter.
mircea_popescu: "But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings.
mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
☟︎ mats: this sounds suspiciously like asciilifeform
mats: i think we may have a #b-a reader on our hands
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.
mats: nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader.
pete_dushenski: we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did
mircea_popescu: adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D
adlai: that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23
adlai: which is why i'm not using any sort of support vector neural network kernelized perceptron mumbo jumbo
adlai: "Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn".
mircea_popescu: i'm all in favour of both. "oh but mp, what if being useful only reinforces how we're really objects"
mircea_popescu: well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public.
mircea_popescu: it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away.
adlai: all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl have loud vocal problems with anybody who so much as looks at a woman breastfeeding in public
adlai: i guess they just don't take to twitter
adlai: then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D
adlai: the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate
mircea_popescu: so tell teh confused girle "mp says you're stupid, go suck a cock like you mean it"
adlai: how dare you call my mom stupid
mircea_popescu: wait, your " all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl " == "my mom" ?!
adlai: let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman"
mircea_popescu: but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits
adlai: empowerment! equality!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00042042 = 8.3664 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young.
adlai has no comeback, goes back to emacs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00040567 = 8.3771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44035 @ 0.00042392 = 18.6673 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38315 @ 0.00043703 = 16.7448 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."
mircea_popescu: Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of
mircea_popescu: religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.
mircea_popescu: "That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"
mircea_popescu: I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960.
mircea_popescu: The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
mircea_popescu: They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t
mircea_popescu: o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news?
mircea_popescu: even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade!
mircea_popescu: Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p
mircea_popescu: unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important. In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?" I do? "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them." Consequently, raising corporate
mircea_popescu: taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals! Taking away our rights!"
mircea_popescu: mats i might have to resurect my trading accounts just for this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45294 @ 0.00041105 = 18.6181 BTC [-]
mats: i learned not to short heirs to the bezzlar throne some time ago
mats: there i was, thinking TSLA was seriously overvalued at 95 bux a share
pete_dushenski: Oleg Andreev: i thought people reuse passwords because bright and capable engineers haven't come up with a better way yet.
pete_dushenski: me: Let's see, there are password managers for the tech-savvy and pieces of paper for the less tech-savvy. An engineer is me!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00040567 = 1.8255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00039711 = 12.6877 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: barrelling on thru the night
Vexual: we had australia day recently
Vexual: you're supposed to drink beer
Vexual: I thought about Israel
adlai: mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85450 @ 0.00039116 = 33.4246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22693 @ 0.0003893 = 8.8344 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00038155 = 2.6327 BTC [-]
punkman: what'd you do for australiaday Vexual
Vexual: i tried to remeber that name of that usefull leightweight bitcoin client
Vexual: yjrn i hit it with a hammer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039246 = 13.3436 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: i had a gew whiskeys after noon
Vexual: i dont suppose you have a holiday for greeks invading greece?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039957 = 38.3188 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: ugg boots is holding a blunt
Vexual: if you've been watching black sails, season two starts to describe captain flint ant the snivelling john silver
punkman: those metal sticks will come in useful for the hangings
Vexual: looks hot, where is this?
Vexual: punkman school of architecture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33043 @ 0.00041002 = 13.5483 BTC [+]
jurov: "rocket-grade helium"
Vexual: !google death proof lap dance
Vexual: !!google death proof lap dance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31551 @ 0.00039396 = 12.4298 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00040179 = 16.6743 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27106 @ 0.0004116 = 11.1568 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00041254 = 15.7817 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D <<< this is actually how i got into most things
nubbins`: "but i don't know electronics" "who cares? here are some jumer cables and a bunch of toys with voice chips"
nubbins`: "but i don't know how to smoke" "well, i bet you can suck a smokey milkshake through a marijuana straw!"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. <<< afaik "ideal woman" for most men is a robot with a pussy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34195 @ 0.00042096 = 14.3947 BTC [+]
nubbins`: pete_dushenski:why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? <<< becoming the world's largest economy is usually a thing that happens with some level of reluctance, like when it happened with the usa, and later when it happened with china
nubbins`: ^ forum tards resorting to producing videos to verify their physical locations
nubbins`: "no way are you in vietnam" "WELL FUCK YOU HERES A VIDEO"
Vexual: ive still got noodles in my beard
jurov: mod6 asciilifeform your emails were rejected.
jurov: asciilifeform: your key expired
jurov: mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0004301 = 9.2902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22589 @ 0.00042268 = 9.5479 BTC [-]
jurov: mhm apparently asciilifeform prolonged in december
jurov: gotta referesh my db
jurov: he's always the first one to stumble on problems in my shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039191 = 9.0531 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00040548 = 21.0039 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: sorry, "dem trades executed by humans" o.O
adlai: wait you mean subhuman nonpersons are allowed to trade on mpex!?
jurov: hi diana_coman, you know about the ddos bot? your ip flashed here when you looged in
diana_coman: hi jurov, did it? I had set up the cloak stuff, but possibly it fails to put it on before joining the channel in some situations (such as recovering from a connection drop), hmmm
diana_coman: thanks for pointing it out, I'll check that
jurov: adlai: i can admit mpex interface having some elements of turing test
nubbins`: diana_coman i had the same issue, just had my password in the wrong box in my client
jurov: but "not allowed" is too strong
nubbins`: server password instead of "identity password" in textual FWIW
adlai: nickserv instead of sasl ftl
nubbins`: unrelated, i just discovered a large marijuana cigarette in a seldom-used inside pocket of my winter jacket
nubbins`: jurov not everything but it sure does take the edge off XD
nubbins`: "man, i don't care if this shit is solved or not!"
nubbins`: [10:47:25] diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) joined the channel.
nubbins`: anyone participating this year?
punkman: using SASL should work for leaky cloaks
nubbins`: maybe vexual can get a didgeridoo / koala-ribcage-xylophone setup on the go
nubbins`: AB is probably the more accessible of the two
nubbins`: (for some definition of the word)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00041357 = 1.6758 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16998 @ 0.00044081 = 7.4929 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: the nerve of this one!: "i can't come to tel aviv for personal reasons, so please meet me in <shithole> and bring cash" at least they're offering a discount but comeon.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030001 / 0.00038826 / 0.00048081 (1657321 shares, 643.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00046574 / 0.00053193 (6351244 shares, 2,958.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00053638 / 0.00068113 (36507342 shares, 19,582.03 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00044081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.000412 = 26.4916 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 14:16:03; jurov: weed solves errything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18269 @ 0.00041637 = 7.6067 BTC [+]
mats: 5:17:44 <+adlai> mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar << uh, ok
adlai: to learn of the echo chamber, you must become the echo chamber.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47646 @ 0.00041637 = 19.8384 BTC [+]
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only << ah, ok.
mod6: no clue. when i ran it on my vm with 128mb of ram, it flew and ran for 12-14 hours before it blew up
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 19:34:00; mod6: it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21083 @ 0.00043805 = 9.2354 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6054 @ 0.0004339 = 2.6268 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what kind of drive can plug into the pogo? anything that's 2.5 inch sata? or is there a way to use larger drives with a cable?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67659 @ 0.00043049 = 29.1265 BTC [-] {5}
TomServo: danielpbarron: I'm guessing you'd need to provide your own power for a 3.5", but don't see why that wouldn't work.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude this guy rocks. who's he ? << Maybe a splinter fraction of redditards is finally reading logs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.005701 = 1.1402 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00045914 = 12.1213 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "In response to the drone crash at the White House this week, the Chinese maker of the device that crashed said it is updating its drones to disable them from flying over much of Washington, D.C."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1691 @ 0.00102669 = 1.7361 BTC [-] {15}
adlai: vehakol betotzeret haaretz!
adlai: well that's shitty.
adlai: F-16s are supposed to kill hundreds during NATO operations, not dozens in exercises
assbot: NxtChg is not registered in WoT.
hanbot: BingoBoingo actually it's rather suspect, there being only the one extant link of that bitcoin magazine drama left @ tardstalk.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1101 @ 0.00104599 = 1.1516 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00041531 = 7.2679 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. << f yeah. share?
ben_vulpes may have to declare log bankruptcy, and it's only wednesday!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00043249 = 1.8472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30951 @ 0.00043249 = 13.386 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!"
TomServo: Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday.
TomServo: Address is also displaying this odd message:
TomServo: Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help.
mike_c: TomServo: what's the address again?
TomServo: mike_c: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 - I believe.
mike_c: yeah, that was it. thanks.
trinque: Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job.
trinque: I should be wrapped up with irl work earlier today than usual so I think I have some cycles to throw at it.
mike_c: snsa going to sell the node in a box?
nubbins`: slap some thebitcoin.foundation branding on it
mike_c: the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :)
nubbins`: once i get dimensions & info i'll design packaging, instructions, whole deal
TomServo: I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node?
TomServo: Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.
mircea_popescu: TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet.
nubbins`: straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd you charge to package an' distribute ?
nubbins`: look at how people foamed over USB asic chips with no roi
nubbins`: still have a box full of NSA shirts taking up space as it is 8)
nubbins`: packaging, w/e you feel like spending. standard rates &c. probably a ways off still
nubbins`: but something rustic yet simple
mircea_popescu: way i was planning to do this was an equivalent of "show me your tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back.
nubbins`: so like a "$50 with $50 irc-in rebate"
nubbins`: most people would not take the 50 back
nubbins`: could even use blockchain-based proof
mircea_popescu: but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two
nubbins`: unit creates a tx unique to itself, pushes to bc as proof of it firing up
mircea_popescu: anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length noob guide, online cheaper than on paper
nubbins`: daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live
nubbins`: bake a private key and 0.0001 btc into it.
nubbins`: but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address
nubbins`: bit more manageable than making people take pictures, upload to imgur, etc etc
nubbins`: privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home?
nubbins`: i guess we could include instructions on stripping exif data ;p
mircea_popescu: understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.
mircea_popescu: cunts are made to be seen. browsers are made to not be identified.
nubbins`: sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node?
nubbins`: this is why i'm having trouble making the leap
nubbins`: you could actually construct the entire transaction before loading it onto the device
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if whoever buys a unit installs whatever code he wants on it, he can use any address he pleases.
nubbins`: some number of idiots will do this no matter what
nubbins`: some will produce a photo of their running unit, then scrap it
nubbins`: but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded
nubbins`: however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code"
nubbins`: you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period.
nubbins`: those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.
mircea_popescu: the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles"
trinque: are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node?
trinque: the filesharing thing has always appealed to me
trinque: some bitcoin-telegraph for torrents thing
nubbins`: i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day?
mircea_popescu: trinque for one thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep that's a good thing
nubbins`: anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified
nubbins`: i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, schemes to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque
nubbins`: and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent
phillipsjk: I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units?
mircea_popescu: that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost
nubbins`: or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's
mircea_popescu: i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable.
mircea_popescu: l;et people buy individually, i dont want to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future.
nubbins`: so this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions?
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was thinking, simply modify your code to handle a larger block-size.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static
mircea_popescu: wait, is his NAME shiller or is bloomberg now owned by s.qntr ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's what i pictured too
nubbins`: luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home
mircea_popescu: i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it.
phillipsjk: What size SSD are you thinking of using?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. well nubbins` was proposing a packaging etc.
phillipsjk was planing on buying a new "cheap" SSD every year for his full node.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal.
phillipsjk: Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem.
phillipsjk: Presumably you can mail our "bitcoin box v2" if you become convinced a larger loack-size is needed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3331 @ 0.00043017 = 1.4329 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: can the pogonode be programmed to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw transactions in a text file, and broadcast them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a good idea btw. can it do that much ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate.
mircea_popescu: dude i like talking things through in here, it's like a mental lens.
danielpbarron: the user might not have an online computer to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine
phillipsjk: MIcrosoft will want a cut is you use vfat :P
phillipsjk: Unfortunately Mircosoft deliberately broke UDF on hard-drives AKA USB sticks.
trinque: why use vfat in the first place?
phillipsjk: They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works)
phillipsjk: trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.
trinque: phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did.
phillipsjk: Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine
mike_c: it should be irrelevant
lobbes: <asciilifeform> no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right?
mircea_popescu: but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!"
mike_c: yeah. it will be cool.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: heh, this will be my first practical contact
mircea_popescu: mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux"
lobbes: mircea_popescu: gotta learn sometime
mircea_popescu: then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT"
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US)
mircea_popescu: we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone.
phillipsjk: Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing.
nubbins`: incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced
nubbins`: backed up til at least april right now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so can we get a block count and runtime count so far ?
mircea_popescu: or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ?
trinque: "This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? << leaning towards this, but if interest isn't expressed soon I'll take a break from current writing to do it quickly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3100 @ 0.00093545 = 2.8999 BTC [-] {13}
davout: the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date
davout: curious to see how long/how many oomkills it'll take to catch up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way.
mircea_popescu: the building chain process is in fact a decent way to advertise the node.
mod6: took mine like 12 hours to get that many.
mod6: i had 1 CPU/128Mb ram
davout: so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but wait, hasn't it been running since yest ?
mircea_popescu: davout something like that. danielpbarron is ready to write a 101 guide
PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is running, is it not posting new posts?
mircea_popescu: PeterL well it apparently missed one, and didn't respond to fetch
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:20:41; asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
davout: methinks setting up might not be trivial if one must also import a pre-loaded chain
mircea_popescu: well, i was ready to pronounce it victorious if it did more than 10k blocks / 24 hours, so.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
davout: "one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting
davout: if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible
davout: "you just need to deposit some collateral"
mircea_popescu: sooo... any people looking to start a journalistic career ?
mircea_popescu: ". This is less than ideal, especially for some kinds of digital products – a Netflix-type of service that sells movies on demand, for instance."
mircea_popescu: so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch
mircea_popescu: half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if twitter has formatted an entire generation to not fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory.
nubbins`: well y'know, give everyone the internet...
mircea_popescu: "This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. "
mircea_popescu: how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first.
davout: "how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult.
nubbins`: alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert.
nubbins`: k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well
mircea_popescu: that same unit can also be used to replicate itself, with crossover cable
nubbins`: fuck, this place really needs a daily summary
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.EPiSKiNG-.3:355af8c4c56c1e8448f6e533151caf7d2da4138ed9086b2406d0e410e660a69d
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for EPiSKiNG- from 1 to 3 with note: Serious fiat broker.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah lol. i recall fluffypony was lookjing for someone to do that. hard work, tough bread.
davout: asciilifeform: i didn't get that part, it's pretty fucking cool
mircea_popescu: davout this thing, started as a casual why not, turned into a fountain of cool. nuts.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop
nubbins`: don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho
mircea_popescu: notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken.
nubbins`: remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units.
nubbins`: asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ?
nubbins`: but y'know. this is just adding whistles
nubbins`: smallest capable size is what you want
nubbins`: if it can be hidden behind something, much more likely to be set up and left running
nubbins`: my router's stuffed behind my stereo in a jumble of wires, for example
nubbins`: i don't have room for a big ol' box
nubbins`: that's the regular lid on the right?
nubbins`: and this is the thing you've been testing it on
davout: asciilifeform: i'm up to date logwise, but it's not really clear to me if i should get some sort of chord, or provision separate sd card/storage
davout: in addition to the thing itself
davout: ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough?
davout: ok, if its performance is storage-speed bound i should get a disk with it
davout: "No storage limits and no additional fees when using your own external hard drive" <<< lol, good to know
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, slower. obviously if a block takes less thna 10 minutes it's still perfectly usable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop.
davout: so sd card performance would be acceptable if blockchain pre-loaded
davout: asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos
mircea_popescu: women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet.
nubbins`: would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there
nubbins`: one of those tiny little nub (!) ones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51449 @ 0.00043056 = 22.1519 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives
nubbins`: 8gb usb nub and wifi nub, don't even need to plug it into router. just wall.
nubbins`: too true though. even WPS setup is too much of a burden at this point
davout: how does the blockchain fit in 8gb?
nubbins`: still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all
davout: $ du -sh blocks --> 34G
davout: the sd card or usb stick is gonna end up costing more than the actual device
mircea_popescu: (if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin")
davout: it's ok, whatever usb stick i buy self-replicates every year
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
mircea_popescu: i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something,
mircea_popescu: to quote deedee, "do with your magic science or something!"
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 21:06:09; mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well
nubbins`: i actually semi-regularly purchase sub-$1/gb sticks as a matter of principle
nubbins`: why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?!
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mircea_popescu: to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00043899 = 7.5506 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug?
danielpbarron: isn't that this? -> "A memory corruption vulnerability allowed decryption of private messages to any attacker with the victim's user ID or phone number."
BingoBoingo: Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound.
mod6: asciilifeform: i havent. no clue how to ... 'specially since your email got eaten. and beyond that now all of our testing environments are kaput
mod6: which is another major problem for ben & i
TomServo: RE: pogonode, according to an amazon customer "Just tried a 64gb sdxc and no joy. 32gb sdhc OK" if anyone was still considering SD.
danielpbarron: good point; that does make it sound especially bad
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jurov: mircea_popescu: just arrived
mircea_popescu: jurov apparerntly there's some issues with the mailing list
jurov: i know, explained in the morning
jurov: but was afk, only now i got gpg to refresh keys so that i can resubmit alf's email
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
davout: asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind
mod6: ah cool, i see it now
davout: asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me to say it's a good idea :-)
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter
pete_dushenski: just as bitcoin will itself underpin a large global economy.
mod6: are you using the one from teh email or the one from the website?
mod6: it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory.
mod6: clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE
mod6: Should still end up with "Good Signature"
mod6: *shrug*, works for me i guess
mod6: YOu'll just have to patch it by hand.
pete_dushenski: Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed
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danielpbarron: the minimum is typing the command; he's already in assbot's l2
phillipsjk: I guess asking the bot the first time did not work becuase... DDOS
mats: kurds took kobane. should be interesting to see if IS gets crushed... but i doubt it
phillipsjk: is there a way to check if assbot has me authed now? (it gave no acknowledgment)
mod6: asciilifeform: see pm, maybe you can help me debug that thing
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Did you decode and reply with !v decryptedstring?
jurov: mod6 i'm on it, too
phillipsjk: no, I just gave it the decrypted string
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it.
jurov: is there a command to unescape clearsigned text?
jurov: in the script there are plenty of lines starting with -
davout: jurov: gpg -d would do that
davout: iirc that'll output unescaped text to stdout and signature verification result to stderr
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone is stuck waiting for a ghost fix or w/e, not bakcported yet into your distro :
mod6: jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right?
jurov: mod6 that's about script not working
mod6: i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me. so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines.
mod6: the one that I had linked on the webpage, needs a bit of debugging i think.
jurov: but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested
jurov: and won't accept relative paths for homedir
mod6: now that is bizzare
jurov: and if pointed to empty homedit, it won't import keys
mod6: so you're saying that this doesn't work: gpg --logger-file alert-snip.sig.log --homedir .gnupg
mod6: it's gotta be a versioning problem.
mod6: lemme see what I was using...
mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:~# gpg --version
jurov: gpg --logger-file gpgout.log --import pubkeys/*.asc << this line
mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6# gpg --version
jurov: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.25 << such spawn of evil
mod6: jurov: if you don't mind, what version of gpg are you using
mod6: yeah, i think this is an old school thing
jurov: anyway, gonna post my script
mod6: --logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2.
mats: "Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity"
mod6: gotta figure out something with this --homedir option
assbot: American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/15Rrcrr )
mod6: that one looks to be an option in both branches... so i dunno
mod6: i guess one can set an env var "GNUPGHOME" also
mod6: ill try some different things a bit later. bbiab
nubbins`: this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there
nubbins`: and dares to mention "innovative agricultural production" as one of his goals
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jurov: mod6 script fix sent
mats: nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok
nubbins`: if nobody was burning your olive groves to build illegal settlements, you'd be doing ok too
jurov: mod6, also it left all qt-related files in
jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest
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