BingoBoingo: http://www.jensendental.com/alloy/charts/alloy-chart.html << Iridium in your mouth
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mats: http://www.businessinsider.com/tinder-co-founder-whitney-wolfe-and-bumble-2015-1
assbot: Tinder Cofounder Whitney Wolfe And Bumble - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLYT9n )
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mats: whoa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23248 @ 0.00037074 = 8.619 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44602 @ 0.00037151 = 16.5701 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/53859/so-do-you-want-to-learn-how-to-code << No Comment
assbot: Do You Want To Learn How To Code? ... ( http://bit.ly/15H2LgB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19908 @ 0.00035729 = 7.1129 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: o hi
nubbins`: i disconnect often enough that authing isn't really a priority
nubbins`: although you guys do miss out on a lot of witticisms
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why is why I !up you. I am suffering wit deficiency
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3zC9 )
asciilifeform: mod6 ^^^^^
mod6: srsly?
asciilifeform: aha.
mod6: oh i know what it is.
mod6: i bet that the damn translation of my email address did it
asciilifeform: so turdatron never really worked.
BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/27361/how-the-bakken-oil-fields-put-me-on-the-path-to-truth
assbot: How The Bakken Oil Fields Put Me On The Path To Truth ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3KgJ )
mod6: so yeah, i signed "<modsix@gmail.com>"
mod6: and then the turdalator changed it
mod6: if you could be so kind... just change the text to that and see if it verifies.
asciilifeform: works
asciilifeform: jurov: ^^^^^^
mod6: ok cool, good catch ascii
asciilifeform: can we put an end to the mutilations.
mod6: i'll send out a new copy.
asciilifeform: and am i the only one who actually checks sigs
mod6 works on that
mod6: when i had mutt setup properly with my own mx it was pretty sweet because it would check sigs and everything automagically.
mod6: one of these times, I gotta get mutt back going again
mod6: ok i re-sent with a new version number and "<modsix at gmail dot com>" written in by me.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/greece-taps-anti-bitcoin-video-game-economist-as-finance-minister/
assbot: Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/15H647t )
punkman: ;;google tf2 hat economy
gribble: Analyst Pegs Team Fortress 2 Hat Economy at $50 Million - Kotaku: <http://kotaku.com/5869042/analyst-pegs-team-fortress-2-hat-economy-at-50-million>; A beginner's guide to the Team Fortress 2 economy - Destructoid: <http://www.destructoid.com/a-beginner-s-guide-to-the-team-fortress-2-economy-230418.phtml>; ARBITRAGE AND EQUILIBRIUM IN THE TEAM FORTRESS 2 ...: (1 more message)
punkman: the one thing he wrote on valve blog is about tf2 hats http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/author/yanis/
assbot: yanis | Valve ... ( http://bit.ly/15H6ZVm )
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: the forum is eating itself
nubbins`: ouroboroustalk.org
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Where nao?
BingoBoingo: Still the wood condomer
nubbins`: heh ya
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.0;all
assbot: Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/15H7Sx8 )
nubbins`: this is one of the only ones still unlocked
nubbins`: scroll down to where people start making connections between TECSHARE and WoodCollector via domain whois
nubbins`: my sides
BingoBoingo: Wait, Techshare is a waterboy?
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: about halfway down the page there are some pretty funny pictures of me
nubbins`: strangely, he passed this one by: http://imgur.com/5v5jUqI
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8ov4 )
nubbins`: and this one
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/1O9azbk
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8pPK )
nubbins`: and this one... http://imgur.com/88qiKWs
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8tPC )
nubbins`: heh now people are asking TECSHARE for screenshots of his PMs
nubbins`: hahahahah
nubbins`: did someone put LSD in the water?
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: The thing that sold me on WC as a fraud is that and actual master carver would focus on edges instead of relief making the BfL dildo feathered and much more painful.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8092gOWK61qjuse9o1_1280.jpg << better drones bureau
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H94yfp )
nubbins`: "arch your back" "WHAUET? I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
mircea_popescu: lol "i advise people to learn html, becausre that's a language and it worked for me. wut ?"
nubbins`: :
nubbins`: D
decimation: re: usg intel 'truths': https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-55-no.-1/pdfs/CleanedPetersen-What%20I%20Learned-20Apr2011.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15H9Q0E )
decimation: "Newcomers to the IC may not realize that the CIA presence in the Oval Office during the George W. Bush administration was the exception, not the rule."
mircea_popescu saves bb qntra article for tomorrow morning
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you have a good file on the Bitcoin Magazine drama. I'm at a loss for history on that one.
mircea_popescu: hanbot ^
BingoBoingo: When they told me in early 2013 to not bother submitting to them I kind of exiled them on my own.
BingoBoingo: Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together.
decimation: "And the consumers of intelligence say out loud “Why should I trust you on this issue when you were wrong on that one?” Weak performance in one DI area immediately calls into question all work in the CIA."
mircea_popescu: and with that, i'll be off.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/lWPRF
assbot: Awful sex dolls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H983m0 )
nubbins`: nsfw
decimation: http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.html << President Truman was even dumber than you thought
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H99uku )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Beautyton thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Irdial thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: random: is there a reason the piece doesn't do "Continued reading"?
thestringpuller: not a big deal just have to scroll to see other pieces on qntra front page
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Sometimes fresh qntra pieces don't have it right away, this one has it now though.
thestringpuller: gotcha. thanks!
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/PVxlSq6.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9bI3v )
nubbins`: popped open my volca sample yesterday, was pleased to find MIDI out points clearly marked
nubbins`: dem easter eggs!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50380 @ 0.00033866 = 17.0617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00032999 = 21.5153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97127 @ 0.00030124 = 29.2585 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/794/getting-arrested-on-the-first-date
assbot: Getting Arrested On The First Date ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9g6iR )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.000302 = 12.9256 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: MPOE at all time lows
thestringpuller: holy fuck
thestringpuller: people are filling up the war chests
asciilifeform: 'Axe-time, sword-time, shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men - each other spare.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.1 = 4.1 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up p15
BingoBoingo: Hello p15
thestringpuller: ah. asciilifeform you are one of my favorite people.
nubbins`: let's not get outta hand
nubbins`: https://iamcomputo.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/20140102_215347.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjdYI )
nubbins`: ^ other members of the volca family have many more easter eggs hidden
nubbins`: http://www.infinitesimal.eu/synth/data/images/2013/korg-volca-beats-disassemble-4.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjgDV )
nubbins`: alf, you seem like the kind of guy who would, in another life, have a massive modular synthesizer in your basement, patch cables and eurorack modules all over the place
nubbins`: http://fluxmonkey.com/images/ohioExpFest_small.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjo66 )
nubbins`: like this, but with a nicer suitcase
BingoBoingo kind of a bigger fan of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFi_nUUF8uQ (uses reeds)
assbot: Wurlitzer Electric Piano 200 by VintageVibe.com - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjomF )
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
BingoBoingo: Hello toddf
asciilifeform would, but has no musical education at all
nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: After the war I might have to get you a tuba, instrument of kings
nubbins`: i might have to get him a monotron
asciilifeform is one of those people who can easily compose in his head, incl. polyphony, but can't output
nubbins`: that sort of brain is actually made for synths
nubbins`: as long as you can twist a rotary encoder, you can set notes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: at various points i've tried all kinds of 'cheats', incl. 'ear trainers' etc
BingoBoingo: Tuba is a great instrument for outputting polyphony solo
asciilifeform: nubbins`: can never get the physical sound to correspond to what was in head.
nubbins`: ah ah, i see
nubbins`: that, there's not much helping
nubbins`: but if you like the idea of directly manipulating sound waves
asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Culprit is bone conduction.
nubbins`: and channeling them through various components of your choosing...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: culprit is not having whatever neural circuit folks who can actually do music have
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decimation: asciilifeform: we are all blank slates, subject to the state's desire for learning
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly that too. I am lacking in that department as well. Tuba is forgiving in that regard.
asciilifeform: did try to learn this particular thing, but never got remotely off the ground.
asciilifeform: was never, however, interested in 'learning to play instrument' in the usual sense of being human player piano
asciilifeform: because that has nothing whatsoever to do with getting the head music out.
asciilifeform: met plenty of people who 'can play' but not do it.
hanbot: <BingoBoingo> Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together. << see the marchenko/alisie theft accusation back-and-forth here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387064#msg1387064
assbot: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjCu5 )
asciilifeform: perhaps it actually -is- a mirage, like the 'head programs' of folks who can't program.
asciilifeform: insufficiently specified/specifiable.
BingoBoingo: Tuba/Euphoniums are the only solo sort of wind instrument I can play where actual sound produced overpowers bone conduction bias that would otherwise render me tone deaf
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Thanks.
nubbins`: http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotron-Analog-Ribbon-Synthesizer/dp/B00684KFAM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-2&keywords=monotribe
assbot: Amazon.com: Korg Monotron Delay Analog Ribbon Synthesizer: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjIll )
nubbins`: asciilifeform ^
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.68, Best ask: 259.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 259.68, 24 hour volume: 17752.82109037, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.284801802
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
asciilifeform: nubbins`, BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=11 << old article of mine on the subject
assbot: Loper OS » Music, UI, and Greedy Algorithms: the Mozart Machine? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjHhp )
asciilifeform: describes a hypothesis.
nubbins`: if you're a bit looser with your money: http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotribe-Analogue-Ribbon-Station/dp/B0050G7VR4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-1&keywords=monotribe&pebp=1422413137924&peasin=B0050G7VR4
assbot: Amazon.com: Korg Monotribe Analogue Ribbon Station: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjJFU )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: as a fellow who can program, and at one point owned a 'commodore 64', i've played with just about every basic kind of synth tone
nubbins`: lotta fun out of the box, but also lots of neat mods hidden inside.
asciilifeform: problem is not the tone, but the input.
moldysnizz: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 Good with his hands...
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
nubbins`: they actually released the schematics for the monotribe as well
moldysnizz: oh well fuck you gribble
asciilifeform: piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted.
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: You gotta recover that keypair
asciilifeform: nor did any better with direct entry
nubbins`: asciilifeform, then you'll love the monotribe's ribbon keyboard :D
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you and my piano teacher (also russian and similar demeanor) would have interesting dirnking convos
nubbins`: as granular as your fingers are small.
moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted. << This I experience as well.
asciilifeform: theremin is as granular as... not even sure what
nubbins`: why am i trying to sell you an analogue synthesizer?
asciilifeform: didn't make any difference.
nubbins`: are these notes we're talking about or tones?
asciilifeform: i generally don't discuss music with musical folks because 100% of the time it turns out that they are trying to accomplish something very different with their time
nubbins`: er sorry
nubbins`: that was worded poorly
asciilifeform: (i mostly gave up on the subject years ago)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: read linked article.
BingoBoingo: My hypothesis is that whistling and humming acquire the correct pitch by way of bang-bang correction. The delay between each “bang” your brain produces and the resulting sound is imperceptibly small, because the vocal apparatus is located so near, and the necessary muscle motions are so minute. Thus, the correct pitch seems to come out as if by magic. And yet no magic is involved. << Normally magic of musicians with perfect pi
BingoBoingo: tch is being able to surrender to hearing the wrong thing when they perform themselves and simply mapping correspindence to the right hting.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i dunno man, it honestly sounds like a 'tribe can do what you're describing
BingoBoingo: "perfect pitch" is almost always trained.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unless i misunderstand, the linked device is something like a theremin (in the continuously-variable input sense, rather than mechanism per se) ?
thestringpuller: ;;google gimme 20 dollars slenderman
gribble: Slender $20 Mode! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejatl89mf5w>; Slender Man dances for his 20 dollars - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9r_-oHJV0>; GIMME 20 DOLLARS - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUN_7Iopmak>
decimation: !s theremin
assbot: 11 results for 'theremin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theremin
nubbins`: asciilifeform it's got a digital step-sequencer built into it, so once you find your correct input tone, you can map it to a step.
nubbins`: it'll store 8 or 16 steps and loop them
asciilifeform: except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music.
asciilifeform: that's what i've found.
decimation learned 'a' (440 hz) by listening to 'wwv'
nubbins`: but the actual sound production side of it is 100% analog, so full granularity on pitch, tone, a bunch of other things
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i've played with continuously-variable synths, as an electronics enthusiast; trust me, it made zero difference.
nubbins`: then i feel your agony
asciilifeform: not sure why this isn't making sense to nubbins`
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music. << This so much
nubbins`: i once dated a woman who worked at a craft store. a guy comes rushing in one day screaming about music paper. he needed to write down the notes in his head before he forgot them.
nubbins`: if i'm not mistaken, your problem is the inability to express your tune as either notes or as a hum that can be recorded
asciilifeform: i can't even say for certain that it is real. it's rather like describing dreams. if there's no way to get it out of your head, it exists only for you.
nubbins`: sounds like my understanding of the nature of reality
nubbins`: brb feeding cats
decimation: perhaps the 'digitization' of a piano keyboard is a convenient simplification for the brain - structure allows creativity, etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44438 @ 0.00033141 = 14.7272 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: for anyone who actually bothered to read the link: i did not yet know the term 'OODA loop' when i wrote that piece.
asciilifeform: but it is precisely what's involved.
asciilifeform: probably the most easily fundamental concept i know of in what used to be called 'cybernetics' (what's it called today? even exists as a field?)
asciilifeform: control theory?
decimation: asciilifeform: I think that came from combat doctrine
asciilifeform: it did.
decimation: but certainly has connections with control theory (feedback systems)
decimation: asciilifeform: novel idea for a toolkit: your watch links: http://www.leatherman.com/425.html
assbot: Tread™ - Leatherman / LED Lenser ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkzm0 )
BingoBoingo: By some horrible accident of history in High School shat out http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Going.mp3 with WIndows 3.1 technology (rougly 2003) was featured in new york concert http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_Concert_Program.htm did not make the CD cut; Crazy things teenagers with idea do.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkA9D )
asciilifeform: decimation: golden toilet
BingoBoingo back then did not realize was treading chumpatron
danielpbarron: http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=26361348#26361348
assbot: ATRL - Celeb News: Taylor Swift Hacked on Instagram - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkCyu )
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, the 'selling point' is that you can take it through an airport
asciilifeform: decimation: until can't
decimation: not that a regular 'leatherman' (sans knife) couldn't go
asciilifeform: decimation: like the 'fake key' that was in fashion a few years ago.
decimation: but the derps who run the airport security chumpatron would 'trip' on 'leatherman-like object'
asciilifeform: anyone who enjoys playing the mole in 'whack-a-mole' - straight there.
asciilifeform: this would even be interesting if the watchband-screwdriver were something one craftsman made in single-digit quantity
asciilifeform: but as soon as it hits retail - added to ban list.
decimation: it probably won't reach the critical 'man adoption factor' and therefore will be hated and uncool
decimation: also I think it would be rather inconvenient to disassemble and reassemble watch to use screwdriver
trinque: BingoBoingo: I kinda like it
trinque: I've done some chiptune stuff, nothing good
BingoBoingo: trinque: Thanks. Made with "Noteworthy Composer" a lowest bidder sort of Win32 music typesetting software that can output to MIDI
TheNewDeal: what is this Noteworthy Composer?
TheNewDeal: you type in notes and it outputs MIDI values?
BingoBoingo: https://www.noteworthysoftware.com/
assbot: NoteWorthy Software - Home of NoteWorthy Composer Music Notation Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkPSf )
BingoBoingo: Supposedly plays well wrapped in Wine
BingoBoingo: at the time it was click on staff and select note to drop.
BingoBoingo used 1.x series unfamiliar with this version 2 bullshit.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli1
BingoBoingo likes to imagine an alternate history where that one piece of turdware and imagined uses of it did not keep self on Windows for an unconfortably long period of history
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/marshawn_lynch_joins_super_bowl_media_day_to_avoid_fine.html
assbot: Marshawn Lynch joins Super Bowl media day to avoid fine. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl4g4 )
trinque: https://soundcloud.com/signpost << coupla loops I farted out
assbot: signpost's profile - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl6Vb )
trinque: I can never stay focused on it (rather, cannot pull self away from moneymaking endeavors) long enough to finish something
trinque: all came out of playing in renoise
trinque: trackers are pretty fun
TheNewDeal: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is not identified.
trinque: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: trinque: If Deedbot has a need for sounds...
trinque: I hear scope creep is met with beatings.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it is
BingoBoingo: Generally for mandatory creep. If a deed.py client for deebot materialized later...
BingoBoingo: Dunno why deedbot would need a deed.py client though
TheNewDeal: ;;seen BlueMeanie4
gribble: BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> most of them are in Berlin
trinque: speaking of things I should throw cycles into
trinque: I'm going to afk for a bit and finish up some work stuff, then see about haxing on the bot
decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism?
asciilifeform: decimation: quite possibly
BingoBoingo: 9 years ago the debian official random number was 6. Now glibc fuckery is uncovered. Imperial nudity advances.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not unlike rejoicing in having crushed one particular cockroach in your kitchen.
asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches.
asciilifeform: or if they lose one or two.
BingoBoingo: Also true
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4256 @ 0.00033141 = 1.4105 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: huh, I seem to be shadowbanned on reddit -- finally!
trinque: danielpbarron: you telling christians what their book says again?
danielpbarron: idk if it's just on /r/bitcoin or what
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co358go
assbot: ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOlZgB )
decimation: asciilifeform: the whole episode steers one toward bsd
trinque: decimation: which?
trinque: I'm considering wiping out this gentoo install with openbsd
decimation: glibc bugs
BingoBoingo: trinque: Before wiping best to play with OpenBSD on some designated toy hardware. I can not recommend the Micheal W Lucas book enough.
trinque: decimation: meant which bsd?
decimation: eh. I've played with openbsd - it's not a very big ecosystem
trinque: BingoBoingo: fired it up in a VM and felt like I sort of knew my way around
decimation: but it is probably more security-minded with W^X and ASLR
nijotz: http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/699517120641640149/1C42FDFC5357C6604A2EE03FB2ADCCC87A5B0D7E/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOmFCD )
trinque: nijotz: lol
BingoBoingo: 5.7 will bring as kernel space ASLR, also current on some platforms has that, but is... unfinished
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo thinks Brent Cook going to OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to Linux in a long time.
BingoBoingo: Other than Google using OpenBSD's libc for Android over Gnu libc
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'll grab Absolute OpenBSD, ty
trinque: that's the one?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Indeed. Only current through 5.4 or 5.5 but differences since are well documented. The book is good for differences versus Linux and other BSD's
decimation: how can android use bsd libc?
BingoBoingo: trinque: M.W. Lucas is a sort of sage for commonly overlooked sysadmin stuff.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Because it is all *nix
decimation: isn't there significant differences wrt the kernel?
decimation: someone must have written shim code
BingoBoingo: decimation: Yes, linux kernel is deviant.
BingoBoingo digs for undeadly.org piece on the matter
BingoBoingo: decimation: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000 << This so hard
assbot: Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOnsmT )
danielpbarron: if you have beginners openbsd questions feel free to ask me
danielpbarron: i also have the book BingoBoingo recommended
trinque: danielpbarron: cool, sounds good
BingoBoingo: One very useful area the book discusses is configuring sudo users
trinque: BingoBoingo: a best-practices in general thing or something specific to openbsd's sudo?
BingoBoingo: trinque: In this tome a lot of OpenBSD specific stuff, but also general good practices. M W Lucas also has a sudo mastery book as part of his security trinity.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
danielpbarron: i also have the sudo mastery book, although i haven't cracked it open yet
devthedev: Soteriology puts a killing on my brain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00038264 = 9.7191 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: openbsd is in some ways a 'hair shirt' (abolished loadable kmods, for instance)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well most people complain about the big kernel lock.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: lol barry soetero
mod6: fuck
BingoBoingo thinks it would be fair to say Linux is silk shirt, FreeBSD is wool shirt, OpenBSD is hair shirt, and NetBSD is rolling around naked in poison ivy
mod6: wat
asciilifeform: yes, wat
mod6: anyway, so the script that i re-posted to the list wont work
mod6: gpg --logger-file chicken.sig.log --homedir .gnupg \
mod6: - --verify chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
mod6: ^----- the turdalator adds this dash on parse
mod6: jurov: check this out
mod6: ^^^
mod6 breaks random things
mod6: im just gonna post the fuckin script to the website direct.
asciilifeform: jurov: any possibility of making it actually work ?
asciilifeform: and how the hell did anything else get posted
asciilifeform: or am i the only one who actually tried to run what is up on that site.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23220 @ 0.00037098 = 8.6142 BTC [-]
mod6: actually, jurov, it's not the fault of the turdalator
mod6: as it seems, gnupg did that nonsense.
asciilifeform: i did warn.
mod6 breaks more stuff
asciilifeform: !s clearsign
assbot: 78 results for 'clearsign' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=clearsign
asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
mod6: you know, before I did any of that, i thought about doing a detached sig, but then i wondered if something really funky would happen, like it would get somehow added to the patch-list automagically, and it doesn't belong there either.
asciilifeform: mantra: 'don't clearsign code.'
mod6: yeah. weaksauce
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#972864 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 06:00:40; asciilifeform: in-band signalling is inevitably lame.
mod6: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897503 << lol
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:58; mircea_popescu: see ? god hates us.
asciilifeform: what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ?
asciilifeform: because that's where this is going.
asciilifeform blows dust off uuencode
BingoBoingo: Worse things have happened
BingoBoingo glares at leap seconds
asciilifeform: leap seconds are braindamaged.
asciilifeform: why should i move my epoch clock for a political fiction.
asciilifeform: wall clock - sure, get places on time, etc.
asciilifeform: epoch? fuck you.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, pick a better number of cesium vibrations for the official figure
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: leap seconds are inserted - supposedly because earth slows. so not a constant.
asciilifeform: not enough to say that 1 newsecond = 1*k oldseconds
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Convenient political fiction to cover a simple rounding error
BingoBoingo: Because significant figures... Maybe if things desync this often more figures are significant than are politically convenient
BingoBoingo: rather than admit far smaller digits have meaning they would rather make the world bark on command.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ? << perfectly fine with me.
BingoBoingo: atm fortress http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-atm-bombers/
assbot: Boom: Inside a British Bank-Bombing Spree - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1BNfG )
decimation: asciilifeform: usg actually proposed getting rid of leap seconds
decimation: accumulate them for years into some kind of 'leap hour'
decimation: asciilifeform: but if you eliminate the correction for leapseconds, you are going to create one extra step for someone who is trying to derive longitude from solar position
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not necessary, just create a better definition of second
decimation: BingoBoingo: no definition of a second will cover the variation in the earth's rotation
BingoBoingo: decimation: And the boundaries of fiat timezones are any better?
decimation: a leap second is literally correcting for the fact that a cesium atom vibrates with more precision than the earth spins about its axis
decimation: time zones have nothing to do with leap seconds
trinque: ditch days, nobody goes outside anymore anyway
trinque: all hail glorious cesium overlord
BingoBoingo: Ah, but time zones have everything to do with the imprecision people are willing to accept when it comes to time
decimation: well, the whole thing comes down to this: what ought to govern the period of a day? the rotation of the earth or a random clock?
decimation: right now it's the rotation of the earth, even though it varies
danielpbarron: a second will henceforth be known as 1 six-hundredth of the average time it takes for a bitcoin block to be found
decimation: lol
BingoBoingo: Would anyone who contributed to this http://www.timetemperature.com/time-zone-maps/world-time-zone-map.shtml honest be capable of earnestly declaring allegiance to solar time?
assbot: World Time Zone Map ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1DPfO )
BingoBoingo: Poor Iceland
mod6: ok, so i sent the build.sh script in plaintext with a detached sig to the mailing and it just never showed up. lol
decimation: BingoBoingo: read this before wishing to abolish time zones http://qntm.org/abolish
assbot: So you want to abolish time zones @ Things Of Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Ea29 )
mod6: so i added the file direct to the website, along with the sig file
mod6: would one of you gentlement verify it for me?
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EfD0 )
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh.sig
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EgH5 )
mod6: *gentlemen too :]
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703385 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2014 04:19:25; mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
BingoBoingo: decimation: You forget I am one of the luck ones who sleeps ad libitum, who through the #b-a logs primarily judges time in GMT in spite of proximity to 90 degrees west
decimation: heh
BingoBoingo: Why not simply walk the meridian?
BingoBoingo: Let time stay constant. If planetary rotation slows acknowledge that as the problem.
BingoBoingo: Why should the measurement of time suffer for the insufficiencies of celestial body movement.
mod6: does anyone like thebitcoin.foundation/banner.html ?
danielpbarron: mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/build.sh.sig.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1FqlI )
BingoBoingo: mod6: Banner looks purty
mod6: danielpbarron!
mod6: Thanks, Sir.
mod6: BingoBoingo: werd. been consider switchin to hard-core mode.
mod6: *considering
asciilifeform: mod6: cut off on my display
mod6: has anyone else used PC-BSD?
decimation: mod6 it verfies for me
mod6: asciilifeform: awe
mod6: decimation: thanks!
asciilifeform: (banner)
decimation: BingoBoingo: well, if the atomic clock is your timekeeper, than leap seconds are silly
decimation: my suggestion: use GPS time
decimation: http://www.leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm " GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 16 seconds. "
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Gcz7 )
BingoBoingo: decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock.
decimation: sure. do you have a clock that will but sub-second accurate across decades?
mod6: asciilifeform: what size display do you ya have? i checked it out with lynx too, looks pcool.
asciilifeform: 1440 horiz.
asciilifeform: cut off unless fixedtype font is set absurdly small.
mircea_popescu: decimation how do you now ?
mod6: lemme see on this pcbsd box, its set to 1024x768
TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure.
mircea_popescu: note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks
mod6: looks ok on that box
mircea_popescu: time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition.
danielpbarron: TheNewDeal, not frequently.. but i host a cash game every saturday
mircea_popescu: decimation exactly. not even a blockchain.
BingoBoingo: Time is not a feature of physics. It is imposed by the apperception upon the manifold.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
assbot: rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1GQgb )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have one. they work.
TheNewDeal: the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: distinguish wall clock time from the other kind.
mircea_popescu: even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will note
mircea_popescu: (i'm not disputing the timing of subatomic events)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interval is rigorously defined as n transitions of cesium atom b/w energy levels
asciilifeform: the purpose is precision rather than accuracy.
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
mircea_popescu: this is like "rigurously" defining womanhood as "n individual sex acts"
asciilifeform: precision timekeeping is what allows for, e.g., satellite navigation.
tripleslash: fucking znc
BingoBoingo: timekeeping is a myth
decimation: yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy'
mircea_popescu: tripleslash you too ?
asciilifeform: rigorous, in this case, means 'arbitrarily replicable'
asciilifeform: on demand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice that so would be his.
mircea_popescu: for different values, ofcourse.
BingoBoingo: Time is properly not measured from reality, but imposed upon reality.
asciilifeform: incidentally, cesium standard is a fairly recent thing.
mircea_popescu: well so is the iridium alloy meter.
asciilifeform: was arrived at somewhat reluctantly, as i understand.
asciilifeform: just as metre.
mircea_popescu: standards generally are a recent thing. but time is particularly iffy when you try to bridge what's fundamentally unbridgeable
mircea_popescu: (micro to macro interactions)
decimation: isn't that what your processor is doing right now?
mircea_popescu: note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight,
mircea_popescu: coupla weeks ago
asciilifeform: stuck?
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, which is why we just had a cve earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency"
asciilifeform: what if they didn't. what then. sunrise off by a few ns.
mircea_popescu: well...
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb.
asciilifeform: i say braindamaged.
BingoBoingo: Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception
mircea_popescu: we can agree that any convention is provably broken. that's by definition.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase
mircea_popescu: decimation maybe "biotcoin blocks" is your timebase.
mircea_popescu: i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be.
decimation: sure. but note that the precision is measureably poor
mircea_popescu: such as, contracts. "rent this appartment for 50`000 blocks"
asciilifeform: as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision.
mircea_popescu: only in YOUR system
mircea_popescu: in my system YOUR precision is measurably poor.
mircea_popescu: relativity. it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as that determination was made in a certain system that precludes so and so :)
mircea_popescu: "hey check it out, as long as im measuring atom transitions by atom transitions, atom transitions do not appear to misbehave!"
BingoBoingo: Kritik der reinen Vernunft A37=B54fn
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why i laid into him. he wanted micro precision somehow magically over macro spans.
mircea_popescu: otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics.
BingoBoingo still maintains official apperception independent time standard off of wound spring.
mircea_popescu: lol how many shots you in bb ?
decimation: well, your 'bitcoin clock' would be pretty poor at precisely measuring a range of natural phenomena, with epicycles aplenty
mircea_popescu: sure. but perhaps it would be great at measuring economic and perhaps even social and political phenomena.
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ima try an' catch up. apparently can't sleep
Dimsler: what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
decimation: good point, that
mircea_popescu: how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc.
mircea_popescu: there's no end of that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it.
mircea_popescu: maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: guess what i've got.
mircea_popescu: ye, 85 million years offs.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen adlai
gribble: adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Adlai> 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
asciilifeform: a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo.
Dimsler: good ol Rutherford-Bohr model
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^^^^^^
decimation: excellent news!
mircea_popescu: fuck you you magnificent bastard.
asciilifeform: will post shortly
asciilifeform: note! had to patch the bitcoin
mircea_popescu: how ?
mod6: asciilifeform: sweet. what'd ya have to patch?
asciilifeform: because it was retardedly missing a header.
adlai: mircea_popescu: sup
asciilifeform: somehow this flew
asciilifeform: but not with static libs
mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
decimation feels sorry for the poor celestial navigator who is thrown off the timebase bus
mod6: what header?
asciilifeform: stripped binary 4153212 bytes
asciilifeform: with no dependencies
tripleslash: that's better
decimation: asciilifeform: did you have to patch gcc to fix the bug you posted the other day?
asciilifeform: mod6: stdint.
mircea_popescu: tripleslash saw teward's lulzy crash earlier ?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude...
BingoBoingo: spring operated wrist mounted time standard is only 1.5 minutes off of ntp reported time in 8 years of constant operation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is invited to replicate once automat is posted
decimation: BingoBoingo: did you set it in those 8 years?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's a joke
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only hourly corrections for DST, but I do that based on raw feels.
Dimsler: since we are discussing horology
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what is ?
Apocalyptic: teward's quit message faking a segfault in znc
mircea_popescu: o it is ?!
mircea_popescu: got me lol
Apocalyptic: heh, yeah
adlai: mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse.
decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
mircea_popescu: adlai no dude, weren't you looking to run a PC based on it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
adlai: that was mentioned as a possibility. what do you mean by "MPIF is direct"?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Man has never done that since ptolemy
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary
BingoBoingo: * decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public.
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h
mircea_popescu: ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government.
mircea_popescu: vs
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic
mircea_popescu: ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate.
mircea_popescu: adlai "mpif is direct", where's that from ?
mircea_popescu: context dammit
mircea_popescu: oh
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994908 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:24:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
adlai: :)
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is
mircea_popescu: adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ?
adlai: i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory
mircea_popescu: Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again.
mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
Dimsler: the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just generally you know, run on prose.
decimation: Dimsler: wohnen Sie in der Schweiz?
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka.
Apocalyptic: trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ?
mircea_popescu: i think it's so tense and comma-tose because you're too tight. gotta learn to relax without liquor.
Dimsler: decimation, nein
BingoBoingo: Probably.
mircea_popescu: anyway, great article, solid structure, errything.
decimation: Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp
BingoBoingo: Thank you.
Dimsler: decimation, at great cost to the quality of life for the average german
BingoBoingo: My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman.
mircea_popescu: thousands of dacias sailed out of timisoara EACH DAY by train, for over a year
mircea_popescu: cost about as much as the vouchers paid. 3-5kish
BingoBoingo: Marmot sounds like an absolute shit animul
Dimsler: yes and all those euros that flew in to build roads
BingoBoingo: Not a grand animal builder of bunkers for a post nuclear age
Dimsler: the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency
mircea_popescu: what exactly do you think take overs are ?
mircea_popescu: what, the french in alger, the belgians in congo, the erryone errywhere.
adlai: mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00040042 = 14.0652 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mod6, jurov: sent
Dimsler: neo-colonialism was not a sustainable endeavour
decimation: of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945
asciilifeform: mod6, jurov: no idea if the turdatron actually works though
asciilifeform: mod6 check plz ?
mircea_popescu: adlai you don't have to have a mpex account to be a pc manager if that's what yer asking.
asciilifeform: i'm not seeing any output.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation.
asciilifeform: ^ moldy's observation originally
mircea_popescu: right into my "argentina has no school" of yest.
decimation: aye, it was moldbug's
adlai wants to minimize counterparty risk. if mp is investing in a trading shop, why should mp's money leave mp's ex?
mircea_popescu: don't you need it to be on whatever exchange ?
Dimsler: decimation, i believe simon heffer rejuvenated that idea back in 2011
adlai: what's mpex, a text-based casino?
Dimsler: "Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."
mircea_popescu: adlai dude, you're making yourself impossible to follow. i thought you wrote a fx bot that works on 2-3 exchanges currenty and you're looking to finance it.
decimation: as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology
Dimsler: what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt
mircea_popescu: decimation not too far off.
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when.
Dimsler: decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps
asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1fOW0 )
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu et al
mircea_popescu: Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe."
asciilifeform: yes jurov's thing ate it silently.
adlai: what's the MPIA?
mircea_popescu: why do you hate it ?!
BingoBoingo: adlai: MP Intelligence Agency
asciilifeform: because it doesn't work.
adlai: lololololl
asciilifeform: never worked.
asciilifeform: i think i was the first one to actually run something from the www output end of turdatron today
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you just said it worked a moment ago ?
asciilifeform: and it was missing dashes.
decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-conservatives-never-quite-catch.html < "The Brahmins, universalists, ultracalvinists, etc, do not hate "our culture" at all. They have a very distinct culture of their own - with a family tree that spends a remarkable amount of time in Massachusetts, upstate New York, etc, etc. (In Charles Royster's excellent and only mildly neo-Unionist picture of the Civil War, The
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Why conservatives never quite catch the boat ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1g2fN )
asciilifeform: my code - works
decimation: Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)"
asciilifeform: turdatron - n
asciilifeform: o
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, LOL i know
asciilifeform: it also ate my mail
Dimsler: a very amusing analogy
asciilifeform: without even a squeak.
asciilifeform: turdatron == jurov's www patch submission gizmo
asciilifeform: on therealbitcoin.org
mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl...
asciilifeform: well anyway, i'm back to putting patches on my site
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s.
asciilifeform: ifuckinghatethis.tgz <<<<<<< universal deterministic builder for bitcoind
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: for any machine you like that has gcc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16474 @ 0.00040604 = 6.6891 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: instructions inside. safe if used as prescribed.
Dimsler: excuse my ignorance but what is b-a?
decimation: mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion
mircea_popescu: this.
Apocalyptic: ;;search Bridgewater
gribble: There were no matching configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you going to write a full step by step guide and publish on blog ?
asciilifeform: it's in there!
asciilifeform: it's just a fscking shell script
adlai: mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things
mircea_popescu: as it is, it dun exist. has to have rounded corners yo! but anyway! let's do packaging separately.
mircea_popescu: yo danielpbarron you around ?
adlai trusts himself with his own money, barely.
asciilifeform: nothing directly to do with the 'pogo' - that's a separate one, that isn't ready to show yet
asciilifeform: this one gives you a bitcoind executable, fully static, for given cpu.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, ya
asciilifeform: using given turdballs of 'openssl', 'bdb', 'boost'.
asciilifeform: user supplies them.
asciilifeform: oh don't forget the patch.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wouldja be willing to package asciilifeform's final pogo stuff into a very detailed, any noob can get it post ?
asciilifeform: this particular script just as easily builds pc unix version of bitcoin
danielpbarron: sure
asciilifeform: just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one.
asciilifeform: deterministic build, about 40 minutes later.
asciilifeform: (on my box)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron drop an address i'll send you a few dollah so you can buy yourself a few pogos to try it all out on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not the pogo autodeflorator yet
asciilifeform: just gives arm ELF of bitcoin
Apocalyptic: re self-centered cultures, I recently stumbled upon Bridgewater, a hedge fund that mainstream media often described as "a cult". It shares several concepts with b-a
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. im prepping your packager so you don't have to do it yourself.
asciilifeform: can run on any armv5 box running a unix.
asciilifeform: danke mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic write it up ? got a blog ?
asciilifeform: anyone with exotic cpu he wants to try, is invited to replace the armv5 cross-gcc with his
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ and his pdp
asciilifeform: or what it was
mircea_popescu: adlai you gotta man up at *some* point.
asciilifeform: 60 lines of sh.
asciilifeform: dear glub. why this did not exist before.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform answer obvious, skipping.
asciilifeform: l0l aha
asciilifeform: i was gonna post my armv5 elf
asciilifeform: but realized that me tree's out of date
asciilifeform: not even the bdb locks patch
Apocalyptic: mircea, nope. Maybe some qntra writers will find it worth an article
asciilifeform: (why? see thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994353 )☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 00:49:36; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When hardware replaces pile cooked by fucking NetPG will try. Worst BSD experience ever. Would not lament painful demise of NetBSD devs responsible for that abortion.
decimation: asciilifeform: your sigs check out
asciilifeform: ty decimation
asciilifeform: now somebody fire it.
asciilifeform: oh
asciilifeform: probably should explain patch
asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
decimation: i remember that dep. hell
asciilifeform: 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it
asciilifeform: 3) added missing stdint header include in util.h. how it worked without it? ask satoshi not me
asciilifeform: that's all.
asciilifeform: end product should be 'bitcoind' in bitcoin/src, stripped
decimation: I had to do that to make it build on openbsd
asciilifeform: for your cpu.
decimation: too lazy to build patch sorry :(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves it worked by "ignore missing deps" flag at compile time lol
asciilifeform: and i suppose by assuming a 32bit mysteryturd for the type.
mircea_popescu: why not.
mircea_popescu: wcpgw
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk"
BingoBoingo: Dammit
mircea_popescu: "First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term ‘coined’ by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises"
mircea_popescu: distributive justice ? seriously ?
asciilifeform: btw that thing is running on me pogo now.
mircea_popescu: distributively juice my cock.
asciilifeform: grabbing bloxx
mircea_popescu: yay!
BingoBoingo: fxd
decimation: asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to.
mircea_popescu: decimation asciilifeform only q is, does it take less than 10 mins per block.
BingoBoingo: Now now, apparently distributive justice is a concept white people who redefine queer to no longer mean gay take seriouslu
asciilifeform: decimation: model name : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l)
asciilifeform: BogoMIPS : 795.44
asciilifeform: (/proc/cpuinfo)
asciilifeform: for what it's worth.
decimation: that's actually not too bad
mircea_popescu: feroceon ?! ahahaha great name.
BingoBoingo: fxd pt 2
adlai: mircea_popescu: scalpl has existed for less than a year. puberty rarely starts in less than a decade. by this metric, i'm optimistic!
mircea_popescu: adlai alrighty.
decimation: what does cat /proc/timer_list | grep resolution return?
mircea_popescu: ^ yeah me 2.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo.asc.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1iFy0 )
asciilifeform: blocheit 1416
adlai is not looking for a lump sum right now / yet. "scalpl is an experiment"
asciilifeform: decimation: .resolution: 1 nsecs
decimation: interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer
asciilifeform: decimation: prolly tick counter
asciilifeform: like everybody else.
decimation: aye
mircea_popescu: that must be a fake
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu see above
decimation: yeah it's not really able to measure 1 ns with precision
mircea_popescu: yea k
asciilifeform: oscillator drift
asciilifeform: your cpu pll is not a scientific instrument, lol
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762924 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.
mircea_popescu: "The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in
mircea_popescu: which such control can be exercised is through a democratic, collective agency."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o lordy.
asciilifeform: (if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error)
mircea_popescu: a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ?
mircea_popescu: line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list
asciilifeform: mod6: i sent it
asciilifeform: it ate it
asciilifeform: naturally, nothing came out other end.
mod6: yeah. it ate that one of mine too. its hungry.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" << in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness.
mircea_popescu: "organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version.
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, if such a person would spew such nonsense to many kings of yore he would be hanging from a tree
BingoBoingo: fxd 3
mircea_popescu: decimation not so.
asciilifeform: after 1900 blox, ram is half full
mircea_popescu: on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic.
BingoBoingo: fxd 4
asciilifeform: wat even is this
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia."
mircea_popescu: essentially, bitcoin is apolitical AND areligious.
decimation: of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened
mircea_popescu: a religion that likes to call itself political because out of historical accident it replaced yahveh with something identical but called "reason" for no good reason is realy butthurt at this
mircea_popescu: anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here.
asciilifeform: oh before i forget
BingoBoingo: fxd 5, deviant from suggestion
asciilifeform: that thing needs to piss debug.log to rs232 console, not disk
asciilifeform: (now we have our first fork of the fork, whoopee)
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a69f71f07be6948d17bc1b8eac711a9/tumblr_mgybi1ruLj1rycl0co1_1280.jpg great titjob is great.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1k4F0 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fork of fork ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo coo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. toy computer needs a little bit of own variant
asciilifeform: for maximum ribbed pleasure
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd
assbot: qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1kcEj )
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that chain reminds instantly of the chains in public parks to keep folks off lawn
decimation: !http://www.northjersey.com/mobile/news/business/american-airlines-interested-in-offering-flights-to-cuba-1.1259365
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they still do that in the us ?!
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: i never saw it in usa.
mircea_popescu: prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch.
mircea_popescu: ah kk
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice stuff.
decimation: mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers
asciilifeform: decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater
decimation: even our security theater is made of plastic these days
mircea_popescu: maybe they progress to dildos soon
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.09, Best ask: 257.18, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 255.99, 24 hour volume: 15905.86238738, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.153636816
mircea_popescu: heh srsly ?
asciilifeform: discount plastic dildo
decimation: they have those too: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/plastic-bollards-traffic-cones-c1113
assbot: Plastic Bollards | Plastic Traffic Bollards | Removable Plastic Bollards ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1l9N2 )
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co39nea
assbot: ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1liA0 )
decimation: with that I bid good evening gentlemen
decimation: !down decimation
BingoBoingo: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/stainless-steel-bollards-c1026/stainless-steel-bollards-mitred-welded-cap-p4595
assbot: Stainless Steel Bollards Mitred Welded Cap. · Barriers Direct ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lrnb )
asciilifeform: oh elf shows as 'dynamic', because http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg
assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lsr0 )
asciilifeform: for a minute i almost thought it was all a waste of time.
mod6: http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg
assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lz68 )
mod6: f
mod6: sorry
asciilifeform: blockheight=2892, memory is 90 percent full.
asciilifeform: soon dies.
asciilifeform: 3324 rather
asciilifeform: anyone still awake who gives a fuck ?
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it go
mod6: yeah
mod6: just let it run
mod6: that's what it does though, chews up ram
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let it go, what. see what happens if it's unattended till tomorrow.
asciilifeform: world's smallest bitcoin node possible.
mod6: and you're on like a 128mb pogo or w/e right?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it will do exactly what planned, oomkill itself
asciilifeform: mod6 aha
mircea_popescu: and restart ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: so let it go.
asciilifeform: what i said, ye
asciilifeform: loop, loop.
mod6: aight. anyway gl!
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/560321172760715264
assbot: It's 2015, and we can't even resolve DNS without accidentally executing code :(
mircea_popescu: come back in 24 hour sor w/e you have time, see how far it got.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amen.
asciilifeform: i'm still mindfucking over that it weights only 4m
asciilifeform: *weighs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mind too pickled to make trigger decisions atm
mircea_popescu: no dude. it's about right.
mircea_popescu: once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots.
asciilifeform: most of the 4m is crud incidentally
mircea_popescu: exactly.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNEwDeal
BingoBoingo: Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise
asciilifeform: i should like to hear tomorrow that one of you folks built it
asciilifeform: and it ran
asciilifeform: doesn't get any easier than this
mircea_popescu: !up happyfr0gg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we see what danielpbarron sez
mircea_popescu: !up tripleslash
mircea_popescu: tripleslash gotta use your reg'd name.
tripleslash: fucking bots
tripleslash: gay
mircea_popescu: no u
tripleslash: urmom
mircea_popescu: clearly.
tripleslash: some things aren't meant to be.
mircea_popescu: lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior.
mircea_popescu: "did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?"
tripleslash: "so which is it: did you have two momrs or two dads?"
BingoBoingo still reels over 2015 college definition of queer including MP
mircea_popescu: "and which one was the llama"
tripleslash: ;;ud queer
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queer | queer: Originally pejorative for gay, now being reclaimed by some gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons as a self-affirming umbrella term.
mircea_popescu: queer was never fucking pejorative wtf.
BingoBoingo: Because now everything but man with singular wife and children is queer
tripleslash: I'd argue man with singular wife and children is queer.
mircea_popescu: well either queer or not very bright.
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets.
BingoBoingo: !up happyfr0gg
tripleslash: BingoBoingo, never.
mircea_popescu: !up happyfr0gg
tripleslash: !down
tripleslash: !down tripleslash
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: Free live minstrel shows...
tripleslash: !ud minstrel
tripleslash: damn, I was hoping it was being reclaimed from its original perjorative form
mircea_popescu: minstrel was pejorative ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is next, woman ?
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people
asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/26/us-charges-alleged-russian-spies-new-york << loltronic
assbot: US charges Russian 'spies' suspected of trying to recruit New Yorkers | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1nHdZ )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Everything is pejoative
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again that one /
asciilifeform: obligarory preet!
mircea_popescu: didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ?
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: or rather, '09
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/evgeny-buryakov/evgeny-buryakov.htm << him
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1o8Fe )
mircea_popescu: nono, was another one
asciilifeform: no that's today's.
asciilifeform: woman - was called 'chapman'
asciilifeform: (i forget actual name)
BingoBoingo: Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game.
asciilifeform: 'Podobny explicitly states in a recorded phonecall that he works for the SVR, and even expresses their disappointment that spycraft was not what they dreamed of. Podobny told his colleague, “The fact that I’m sitting with a cookie right now at the … chief enemy spot. Fuck! Not one point of what I thought then, not even close.”'
mircea_popescu: wait so this is a rehash ?
asciilifeform: ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics.
asciilifeform: sorta rehash
asciilifeform: with new faces
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol right. so damning, that.
mircea_popescu: "some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35478 @ 0.00039431 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: blockheight=4623, mem=86% full (odd), no kill yet
asciilifeform: presumably there was some caching in the mix
mircea_popescu: it'll get raped later on as the chain complexifies.
asciilifeform: (figure was total ram usage, incl. os, not process per se)
asciilifeform: and yes it will.
asciilifeform to bed
danielpbarron: it's only at 5k so far?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: bottleneck right now is disk
asciilifeform: i ran it off sd card
asciilifeform: will try with actual drive later
asciilifeform: (the one in the photo)
danielpbarron: ah
BingoBoingo: Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami.
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << that one
assbot: test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1q0xK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00038911 = 9.9223 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i so love that story :D
BingoBoingo: That was a great one.
BingoBoingo also working on a comment to the Godfather Trilema.
BingoBoingo is sure the Godfather is not an Italian work, but a middle western greek tragedy
danielpbarron: is this the thing? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/
assbot: Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1qPXq )
BingoBoingo: Hinges on Puzo knowing he was making trash of pulp, but making pulp that was flattering and salable to hollywood
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Appears so
danielpbarron: and it needs a hard drive too?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron exact model discussed at length in teh logs, search for pogo.
BingoBoingo: "Sold by National Liquidation" is not an encouraging sign
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2txty4/greece_taps_antibitcoin_video_game_economist_as/
assbot: Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEWBfU )
mircea_popescu: murderin dat social moedia ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040395 = 20.2783 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Workin on it.
BingoBoingo: If it isn't in the WoT it is fair game.
BingoBoingo: Mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co353z9
assbot: KoKansei comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sLiH )
BingoBoingo: Oh we have uno fan who is not a part of SMHOWA https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co30tnn
assbot: xcsler comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sVq9 )
BingoBoingo: *Social Media Holy War
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co346hw
assbot: sgornick comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tq3x )
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/cd22a46b683e80889ffce500ce436b3c/tumblr_mndu4jdOJ51sqjeuuo1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCjk )
BingoBoingo: Speak of the devil. A socialized losses incident https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938765.0
assbot: 796 lost 1,000 bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCzS )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle.
mircea_popescu: "why you can't invest with [insert random website]". http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/
assbot: Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1u8xM )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese.
mircea_popescu: yeah i recall them.
mircea_popescu: " I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating."
mircea_popescu: seems pretty reasonable decimation
mircea_popescu: oh he left.
BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx
mircea_popescu: just aboot.
pete_dushenski: you should send ars a letter
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D
pete_dushenski: "hey guise, i just noticed something funny and i know you're gonna laugh at this too"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least.
pete_dushenski: if they make it that long
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice.
pete_dushenski: why wait?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew.
pete_dushenski: there are creative ways to send letter to make sure they get read
pete_dushenski: taking down their front page and posting, for one
mircea_popescu: this proposes they're that important.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif
pete_dushenski: lol really not saying it is
pete_dushenski: either important or BingoBoingo's kind of mischief
pete_dushenski: The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency.
pete_dushenski: ^o no poor cad
mircea_popescu: afaik the chinese do not wish this.
pete_dushenski: because?
BingoBoingo: Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave.
mircea_popescu: well because they kinda like having the export and the local currencies separate.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: pretty sure you can pay someone to do that with btc now
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism.
mircea_popescu: like, imagine you were married to an idiot, but she got a special scrip you issued, no dollars.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction.
mircea_popescu: suddenly sustainable marriage.
pete_dushenski: sounds quite reasonable
mircea_popescu: moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then
pete_dushenski: why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption?
mircea_popescu: lack of sufficient size.
mircea_popescu: the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, they'll go right into the abyss claiming it never happened.
BingoBoingo: Maybe as the editorial line. Perhaps 3 can be saved from there.
mircea_popescu: maybe.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: instead, it went "something something something derp"
pete_dushenski: The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website. << just tawk then?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah no, just me being out of date.
mircea_popescu: apparently they are moving it into position to support the shanghai union.
pete_dushenski: shanghai union?
mircea_popescu: that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015"
pete_dushenski: lol
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone.
mircea_popescu: (except japan, korea etc)
pete_dushenski: o that thing, their baby-imf
pete_dushenski: south africa was in that too
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: yup
BingoBoingo misses the idea of Rhodesia
mircea_popescu: imo nz/au will be the worst hit.
mircea_popescu: mostly because japan's so thoroughly fucked.
pete_dushenski: huh interesting. but it seems like aus has plenty of opportunity to pivot to china
pete_dushenski doesn't know diddly about nz economy
mircea_popescu: nope, none whatsoever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1146 @ 0.00105732 = 1.2117 BTC [-] {22}
mircea_popescu: they're monolinguistic, and stuck i nthe wrong language.
BingoBoingo: AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing
pete_dushenski: ya $19 or w/e is zany
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the language is a good point
mircea_popescu: nz (and to a lesser degree aus) are choked by this monopoliust position on real estate
mircea_popescu: rents insanely high, developments burdensome.
pete_dushenski: sandstone isn't cheap to work with i gues
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
BingoBoingo: US for its faults at least has faults. Can break into mircostates.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: totally
mircea_popescu: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ARDS0D.txt )
pete_dushenski: and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that
mircea_popescu: aptly put
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: heya mr. coliseum
phillipsjk: OK, I have a 40GB packet capture ready if I get DDOS'ed.
BingoBoingo: I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much.
phillipsjk: Hi pete.
phillipsjk: ..nothing yet.
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: how is poverty dealt with differently in mircostates?
phillipsjk: Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes.
mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
mircea_popescu: paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs.
mircea_popescu: Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid. Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times.
mircea_popescu: So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway.
mircea_popescu: Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced. Pray on this."
mircea_popescu: ballas on teh same topic
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: oh so like europeans
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk.
pete_dushenski digests
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: New Salem to Springfield. Multiple times a week.
mircea_popescu: decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism? << quite likely.
mircea_popescu: seems an excellent way to expose a tor server.
mircea_popescu: having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00040395 = 3.9991 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Imma sleep now, but contemplate 20 miles. Just about as long as one can reasonably walk in a day on flat land. About as far as a group can reasonably defend as a border without submitting to a Kyriarch.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: bon soir dude. nice writing today
BingoBoingo: "The New Salem Experience
BingoBoingo: Lincoln's New Salem State Historic Site, about 2 miles South of Petersburg and
BingoBoingo: about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where
BingoBoingo: Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New
BingoBoingo: Salem formed a turning point in his career. Although he never owned a home here,
BingoBoingo: Lincoln was engaged in a variety of activities while he was at New Salem. He
BingoBoingo: clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster
BingoBoingo: and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General
BingoBoingo: Assembly in 1834 and 1836 after an unsuccessful try in 1832."
BingoBoingo: Lincoln, fucking hobo
BingoBoingo: Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter.
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/343e8c4c5eac54cfd8ef70cc3a7eee7e/tumblr_movxtn87Vz1rmcr76o1_500.jpg have some booties.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtcN7 )
mircea_popescu: "But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings.
mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
mircea_popescu: ing cylinders."
mircea_popescu: dude this guy rocks. who's he ?
mircea_popescu: "ButterNubber"
mats: this sounds suspiciously like asciilifeform
mats: i think we may have a #b-a reader on our hands
mircea_popescu: i liked teh prose.
mircea_popescu: course eschew takes an extra h
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986364 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.
mircea_popescu: aham
mircea_popescu: and turd is a reasonably rare usage
mircea_popescu: !up cardigm
mats: nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader.
mircea_popescu waves
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes. http://trilema.com/2010/high-society/
assbot: High society pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMu7gJ )
mircea_popescu: days b4 bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: same here, it so happens
pete_dushenski: spent most of undergrad at the card table
adlai: infantile as it is, sometimes fortune favors the bold, and scalpl does beautiful shit like http://i.imgur.com/2WBFwjy.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMuibY )
pete_dushenski: we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did
pete_dushenski: about a dozen of us
pete_dushenski: one guy is on the pro tour now
mircea_popescu: adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D
mircea_popescu: did it mostly win on volatility ?
adlai: that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23
mircea_popescu: you know most bots fail through over engineering.
adlai: s/ engineer/fitt/
adlai: which is why i'm not using any sort of support vector neural network kernelized perceptron mumbo jumbo
mircea_popescu: aha
adlai: "Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "menimist"
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: http://www.mommyish.com/2014/11/11/menimist-twitter-hashtag/2/
assbot: If You're Participating In #MenimistTwitter, You're An Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMv8oZ )
mircea_popescu: "i am on the internet and can't write out asshole"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn".
mircea_popescu: i'm all in favour of both. "oh but mp, what if being useful only reinforces how we're really objects"
mircea_popescu: well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public.
mircea_popescu: it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away.
adlai: all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl have loud vocal problems with anybody who so much as looks at a woman breastfeeding in public
adlai: i guess they just don't take to twitter
mircea_popescu: are these feminists lactating ?
adlai: then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D
adlai: the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate
mircea_popescu: so tell teh confused girle "mp says you're stupid, go suck a cock like you mean it"
adlai: how dare you call my mom stupid
pete_dushenski: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/008TDEK.txt )
pete_dushenski: i kinda hope adlai isn't even kidding
mircea_popescu: wait, your " all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl " == "my mom" ?!
adlai: let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman"
mircea_popescu: but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits
mircea_popescu: has jack shit to do with feminism.
adlai: empowerment! equality!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00042042 = 8.3664 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/560333010491277312
assbot: 65% of people use the same password everywhere http://t.co/T0ZnMzEUzR
pete_dushenski: ^ "Sorta hard to call them "people" then isn't it? "
adlai has no comeback, goes back to emacs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00040567 = 8.3771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44035 @ 0.00042392 = 18.6673 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: https://archive.org/stream/processofgovernm00bent/processofgovernm00bent_djvu.txt
assbot: Full text of "The process of government; a study of social pressures" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8jnZu )
mircea_popescu: not a bad readd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38315 @ 0.00043703 = 16.7448 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."
mircea_popescu: Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of
mircea_popescu: religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.
mircea_popescu: "That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"
mircea_popescu: I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960.
mircea_popescu: best write-up of a book ever, too
mircea_popescu: The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
mircea_popescu: They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t
mircea_popescu: o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news?
mircea_popescu: even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade!
mats: http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/apple-just-had-the-biggest-quarterly-earnings-of-any-company-ever/
assbot: Apple Just Had The Most Profitable Quarter Of Any Company Ever | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8kBnu )
mircea_popescu: Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p
mircea_popescu: unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important. In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?" I do? "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them." Consequently, raising corporate
mircea_popescu: taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals! Taking away our rights!"
mircea_popescu: mats i might have to resurect my trading accounts just for this.
pete_dushenski: short all the techs!
mircea_popescu: later!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45294 @ 0.00041105 = 18.6181 BTC [-]
mats: i learned not to short heirs to the bezzlar throne some time ago
mats: there i was, thinking TSLA was seriously overvalued at 95 bux a share
pete_dushenski: ouch
pete_dushenski: Oleg Andreev: i thought people reuse passwords because bright and capable engineers haven't come up with a better way yet.
pete_dushenski: me: Let's see, there are password managers for the tech-savvy and pieces of paper for the less tech-savvy. An engineer is me!
pete_dushenski: to say nothing of, y'know, memories
pete_dushenski: "engineers should give us better memories!"
pete_dushenski: actually, that would explain the nootropic fad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00040567 = 1.8255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00039711 = 12.6877 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: !up Vexual
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/28/the-inalienable-rights-railroad/
assbot: The inalienable rights railroad. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMEr8m )
pete_dushenski: and with that, i bid adieu!
Vexual: i do ;ike a train
Vexual: barrelling on thru the night
Vexual: largely unstoppable
fluffypony: quite
Vexual: standard
Vexual: we had australia day recently
Vexual: you're supposed to drink beer
Vexual: fuck that
Vexual: I thought about Israel
Vexual: same sorta buhala
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0xpkk0yaQ
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK_eQImKnPA
adlai: mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85450 @ 0.00039116 = 33.4246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22693 @ 0.0003893 = 8.8344 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00038155 = 2.6327 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ
punkman: what'd you do for australiaday Vexual
Vexual: i tried to remeber that name of that usefull leightweight bitcoin client
Vexual: yjrn i hit it with a hammer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039246 = 13.3436 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: i had a gew whiskeys after noon
Vexual: i dont suppose you have a holiday for greeks invading greece?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039957 = 38.3188 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8
punkman: http://www.cretapost.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/236478.jpg << there was a bit of dancing
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpLbN0 )
Vexual: corfu?
Vexual: big tree island?
Vexual: ugg boots is holding a blunt
Vexual: if you've been watching black sails, season two starts to describe captain flint ant the snivelling john silver
punkman: check out the square from diff view http://www.skoutelis-zanon.gr/files/items/4/4/plateia1.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaCnpF )
punkman: those metal sticks will come in useful for the hangings
Vexual: looks hot, where is this?
Vexual: punkman school of architecture
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u6DcnNuIPw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33043 @ 0.00041002 = 13.5483 BTC [+]
punkman: !up Vexual
Apocalyptic: for those interested in Bridgewater: http://nymag.com/news/business/wallstreet/ray-dalio-2011-4/
assbot: The Billion-Dollar Aphorisms of Hedge Fund Cult Leader Ray Dalio -- New York Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx2rwf )
Vexual: cool handel
jurov: "rocket-grade helium"
Vexual: its a thing
Vexual: back blocks
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk here have a snow stoen that never happemmef
jurov: obamastorm
Vexual: uwotnow?
Vexual: http://vimeo.com/61721081
Vexual: !google death proof lap dance
Vexual: !!google death proof lap dance
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMgtTqKNTc
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-T_F9y6d-o
punkman: https://www.okcoin.com/t-155.html
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punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8bgx2BCcAI7wIA.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXj4mI )
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Xzd8dCMAAK-ZJ.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXjsBz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31551 @ 0.00039396 = 12.4298 BTC [-]
punkman: http://www.realfarmacy.com/blamed-for-bee-collapse-monsanto-buys-leading-bee-research-firm/
assbot: Blamed for Bee Collapse, Monsanto Buys Leading Bee Research FirmREALfarmacy.com | Healthy News and Information ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx7fS9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00040179 = 16.6743 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27106 @ 0.0004116 = 11.1568 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00041254 = 15.7817 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D <<< this is actually how i got into most things
nubbins`: "but i don't know electronics" "who cares? here are some jumer cables and a bunch of toys with voice chips"
nubbins`: *jumper
nubbins`: "but i don't know how to smoke" "well, i bet you can suck a smokey milkshake through a marijuana straw!"
nubbins`: etc
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. <<< afaik "ideal woman" for most men is a robot with a pussy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34195 @ 0.00042096 = 14.3947 BTC [+]
nubbins`: pete_dushenski:why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? <<< becoming the world's largest economy is usually a thing that happens with some level of reluctance, like when it happened with the usa, and later when it happened with china
nubbins`: !up Vexual
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKuiI4OB8W0
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Ww3Ajhr74&feature=youtu.be
assbot: Eyes Wide Shut is a plank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAEWNi )
nubbins`: ^ forum tards resorting to producing videos to verify their physical locations
nubbins`: "no way are you in vietnam" "WELL FUCK YOU HERES A VIDEO"
Vexual: ive still got noodles in my beard
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOzdE5OTeVQ
jurov: mod6 asciilifeform your emails were rejected.
jurov: asciilifeform: your key expired
nubbins`: :o
nubbins` guffaws
nubbins`: ;:rate alf -1 total noob
jurov: mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0004301 = 9.2902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22589 @ 0.00042268 = 9.5479 BTC [-]
jurov: mhm apparently asciilifeform prolonged in december
jurov: gotta referesh my db
jurov: he's always the first one to stumble on problems in my shit
nubbins`: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039191 = 9.0531 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00040548 = 21.0039 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: dat mpoe bot
adlai: wut mpoe bot
nubbins`: wut
nubbins`: sorry, "dem trades executed by humans" o.O
adlai: wut
adlai: wait you mean subhuman nonpersons are allowed to trade on mpex!?
nubbins`: !up diana_coman
diana_coman: thanks nubbins`
jurov: hi diana_coman, you know about the ddos bot? your ip flashed here when you looged in
diana_coman: hi jurov, did it? I had set up the cloak stuff, but possibly it fails to put it on before joining the channel in some situations (such as recovering from a connection drop), hmmm
diana_coman: thanks for pointing it out, I'll check that
nubbins`: np
jurov: adlai: i can admit mpex interface having some elements of turing test
nubbins`: diana_coman i had the same issue, just had my password in the wrong box in my client
jurov: but "not allowed" is too strong
nubbins`: server password instead of "identity password" in textual FWIW
adlai: nickserv instead of sasl ftl
nubbins`: unrelated, i just discovered a large marijuana cigarette in a seldom-used inside pocket of my winter jacket
diana_coman: ah, that might be it, thanks nubbins`
nubbins`: quit & rejoin to test :D
jurov: weed solves errything
jurov: :D
nubbins`: jurov not everything but it sure does take the edge off XD
diana_coman: will do :)
nubbins`: "man, i don't care if this shit is solved or not!"
nubbins`: [10:47:25] diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) joined the channel.
nubbins`: !up diana_coman
nubbins`: congrats
diana_coman: thanks nubbins` it wasn't that though
diana_coman: the pass was in the right box
nubbins`: o
nubbins`: unrelated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Challenge
assbot: RPM Challenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1y54svN )
nubbins`: anyone participating this year?
punkman: using SASL should work for leaky cloaks
nubbins`: maybe vexual can get a didgeridoo / koala-ribcage-xylophone setup on the go
nubbins`: we did two last year
nubbins`: http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Dick-Surgery
assbot: CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55rMA )
nubbins`: http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Atelier-Bleu
assbot: CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55sjz )
nubbins`: AB is probably the more accessible of the two
nubbins`: (for some definition of the word)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00041357 = 1.6758 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16998 @ 0.00044081 = 7.4929 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: nubbins`: http://ottsonic.fanbridge.com/fan_questions/q/1090838/
assbot: Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y58y7o )
adlai: the nerve of this one!: "i can't come to tel aviv for personal reasons, so please meet me in <shithole> and bring cash" at least they're offering a discount but comeon.
nubbins`: heh
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030001 / 0.00038826 / 0.00048081 (1657321 shares, 643.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00046574 / 0.00053193 (6351244 shares, 2,958.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00053638 / 0.00068113 (36507342 shares, 19,582.03 BTC)
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00044081 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the war chests are filling
thestringpuller: my god
thestringpuller: GOOD GOD YA'LL
nubbins`: !search war chests
assbot: 7 results for 'war chests' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=war+chests
nubbins`: war chest or shire sauce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.000412 = 26.4916 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995664 << even coinbr api?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 14:16:03; jurov: weed solves errything
thestringpuller: i never new jurov smoked
thestringpuller: awesome :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18269 @ 0.00041637 = 7.6067 BTC [+]
mats: 5:17:44 <+adlai> mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar << uh, ok
adlai: to learn of the echo chamber, you must become the echo chamber.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47646 @ 0.00041637 = 19.8384 BTC [+]
punkman: "so 2013 glibc fixed a bug, 2014 google found+fixed the same bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=364511 … and 2015 qualys found it again.."
assbot: Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNuCXQ )
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only << ah, ok.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, jurov, ben_vulpes: blockheight 6391 oomkill (and died. forgot to run the loop variant that day)
mod6: no clue. when i ran it on my vm with 128mb of ram, it flew and ran for 12-14 hours before it blew up
asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
asciilifeform: will let it run.
asciilifeform: might actually make sense to bake in some perverse replacement memory allocator into this thing
asciilifeform: for hard constraint
asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
asciilifeform: better would be to plug the leaks.
asciilifeform: mod6: how many blocks yours loaded before death ?
mod6: err.. lemme see.
mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2015#989403 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 19:34:00; mod6: it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21083 @ 0.00043805 = 9.2354 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6054 @ 0.0004339 = 2.6268 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
asciilifeform: about 15x faster.
asciilifeform: no, 35.
asciilifeform: 16000 & counting
nubbins`: ooo
nubbins`: n
nubbins`: ...b
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what kind of drive can plug into the pogo? anything that's 2.5 inch sata? or is there a way to use larger drives with a cable?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67659 @ 0.00043049 = 29.1265 BTC [-] {5}
TomServo: danielpbarron: I'm guessing you'd need to provide your own power for a 3.5", but don't see why that wouldn't work.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude this guy rocks. who's he ? << Maybe a splinter fraction of redditards is finally reading logs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.005701 = 1.1402 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/27/trivial_hole_left_black_phones_open_to_plunder/
assbot: 'Super-secure' BlackPhone pwned by super-silly txt msg bug • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz56GY )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00045914 = 12.1213 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: inb4 orangephone
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 2.5" sata
asciilifeform: or usb3 into rear jacks
asciilifeform: 104893 blox
punkman: "In response to the drone crash at the White House this week, the Chinese maker of the device that crashed said it is updating its drones to disable them from flying over much of Washington, D.C."
TomServo: heh, "No-fly firmware"
punkman: more on the same theme http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185/officers-ask-map-app-to-remove-police-tracking
assbot: Officers Ask Map App To Remove Police-Tracking : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz7GwN )
danielpbarron: hah, i love that app
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1691 @ 0.00102669 = 1.7361 BTC [-] {15}
adlai: vehakol betotzeret haaretz!
punkman: http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/greek-f-16-crash-kills-11-during-nato-exercise
assbot: Greek F-16 Crash Kills 11 During NATO Exercise | Flying Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz8zoW )
adlai: well that's shitty.
adlai: F-16s are supposed to kill hundreds during NATO operations, not dozens in exercises
danielpbarron: !gettrust NxtChg
assbot: NxtChg is not registered in WoT.
hanbot: BingoBoingo actually it's rather suspect, there being only the one extant link of that bitcoin magazine drama left @ tardstalk.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1101 @ 0.00104599 = 1.1516 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00041531 = 7.2679 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. << f yeah. share?
ben_vulpes may have to declare log bankruptcy, and it's only wednesday!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: share? << see last night's thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994978 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:37:52; asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz
ben_vulpes: haw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00043249 = 1.8472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30951 @ 0.00043249 = 13.386 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'blackphone' >> :
asciilifeform: !s zimmerman
assbot: 20 results for 'zimmerman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zimmerman
asciilifeform: but of course, this place doesn't officially exist, 'no one could have guessed' that z was lowered into pederasty and made usg stooge, etc. never happened because not in 'forbes.'
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.19, vol: 16928.15134187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 235.699, vol: 12475.48887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 242.3, vol: 44508.56374097 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 262.0, vol: 9.37144747 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 242.8717, vol: 171698.44510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 255.02223, vol: 70.23057819 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 249.502, vol: 107.03334957 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
mircea_popescu: innit weird it uses two types of quotes ?!
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!"
asciilifeform: where? in my turd ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no my bash
TomServo: Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday.
TomServo: Address is also displaying this odd message:
TomServo: Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help.
mike_c: TomServo: what's the address again?
TomServo: mike_c: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 - I believe.
mike_c: yeah, that was it. thanks.
trinque: Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job.
trinque: I should be wrapped up with irl work earlier today than usual so I think I have some cycles to throw at it.
asciilifeform: 130080
mircea_popescu: nice!
mike_c: snsa going to sell the node in a box?
mike_c: that would be cool
mod6: ascii: good deal!
nubbins`: would buy
mircea_popescu: mike_c giveaway more like it.
nubbins`: slap some thebitcoin.foundation branding on it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can make stickers. design some :D
mike_c: the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :)
nubbins`: once i get dimensions & info i'll design packaging, instructions, whole deal
TomServo: I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node?
TomServo: Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.
mircea_popescu: TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet.
mircea_popescu: !up berndj
nubbins`: straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd you charge to package an' distribute ?
nubbins`: look at how people foamed over USB asic chips with no roi
nubbins`: prob would not distribute
nubbins`: still have a box full of NSA shirts taking up space as it is 8)
nubbins`: packaging, w/e you feel like spending. standard rates &c. probably a ways off still
nubbins`: but something rustic yet simple
nubbins`: https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3327644/DSC03048.0.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzsnJ1 )
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: way i was planning to do this was an equivalent of "show me your tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back.
mircea_popescu: cheaper, faster and imo more effective.
nubbins`: so like a "$50 with $50 irc-in rebate"
mircea_popescu: yup
nubbins`: nb.
nubbins`: most people would not take the 50 back
mircea_popescu: entirely up to them.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: could even use blockchain-based proof
mircea_popescu: but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two
nubbins`: unit creates a tx unique to itself, pushes to bc as proof of it firing up
mircea_popescu: anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length noob guide, online cheaper than on paper
mircea_popescu: i dunno unit can create txn
nubbins`: daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live
asciilifeform: no rng in these machines. literally none.
nubbins`: bake a private key and 0.0001 btc into it.
asciilifeform: can embed canned entropy in the eeprom but obvious caveats.
nubbins`: no doubt
nubbins`: but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address
nubbins`: generate offline, w/e
nubbins`: bit more manageable than making people take pictures, upload to imgur, etc etc
mircea_popescu: not so crazy about the privacy implications.
nubbins`: privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home?
nubbins`: i guess we could include instructions on stripping exif data ;p
mircea_popescu: that's inconsequential.
mircea_popescu: understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.
nubbins` gestures helplessly
nubbins`: what
asciilifeform: oomkill/restart cycler works as it ought to.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ayup.
asciilifeform: (it's simply a 3-line sh)
mircea_popescu: cunts are made to be seen. browsers are made to not be identified.
nubbins`: sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node?
asciilifeform: ip is already screaming 'node!!!' into the night
nubbins`: ^
mats: http://www.black-swift.ru/
assbot: Black Swift - Black Swift ... ( http://bit.ly/1By4jEZ )
nubbins`: this is why i'm having trouble making the leap
asciilifeform: but if you wanted to have any 'wallet' functionality, the thing would have to take rpc commands or equivalent on the lan, but more direly, would need either rng or an embedded one-time pad
nubbins`: you could actually construct the entire transaction before loading it onto the device
nubbins`: and just store the tx
mircea_popescu: mebbe i misunderstand what's being proposed here /
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if whoever buys a unit installs whatever code he wants on it, he can use any address he pleases.
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoin-market68
asciilifeform: some idiot will buy, redeem the reward, and turn in for scrap
nubbins`: some number of idiots will do this no matter what
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt it, but anyway.
nubbins`: some will produce a photo of their running unit, then scrap it
nubbins`: etc etc
nubbins`: but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded
nubbins`: actually retarded
nubbins`: however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...
asciilifeform: i for one do not have an earth-shatteringly clever answer to the conundrum of how to persuade maxint people to buy & plug these in
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code"
nubbins`: you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period.
nubbins`: those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.
mircea_popescu: the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"
asciilifeform: for the motherland (tm)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles"
trinque: are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node?
trinque: the filesharing thing has always appealed to me
trinque: some bitcoin-telegraph for torrents thing
asciilifeform: conjecture is that there is a set of folks who want to do this, but aren't now because 'i haven't a second pc' or 'fan too loud' ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how do you pay for 10k units ?
nubbins`: i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day?
mircea_popescu: trinque for one thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind
mircea_popescu: much safer.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then move to the antiles ?
nubbins`: gross, too hot
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep that's a good thing
nubbins`: anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified
nubbins`: i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, schemes to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque
mircea_popescu: im not shipping anything
nubbins`: and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent
phillipsjk: I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units?
mircea_popescu: that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost
mircea_popescu: let people just buy thjem themselves.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk impossible.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's
mircea_popescu: wut ?
mircea_popescu: i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable.
asciilifeform: a determined luser could, in principle, rebuild the entire thing with phoundation's turd in place of ours, sure
mircea_popescu: l;et people buy individually, i dont want to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future.
nubbins`: hm
mircea_popescu: you know, when the space kept doubling.
nubbins`: so this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions?
asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was thinking, simply modify your code to handle a larger block-size.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup
mircea_popescu: so far at any rate.
nubbins`: o.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static
mircea_popescu: problem is the chain won't fit.
mats: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-27/nobel-prize-winning-economist-says-it-s-time-to-buy-greek-stocks kek
assbot: Nobel Winner Shiller Joins Pimco in Saying Buy Greek Assets - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1By5hks )
mircea_popescu: wait, is his NAME shiller or is bloomberg now owned by s.qntr ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's what i pictured too
asciilifeform: idea being, unless you actually want to perform the deterministic build (want pedigreed sources, etc.) you don't need a pc.
nubbins`: yes, precisely
nubbins`: luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only problem is getting the first unit
asciilifeform: just... breed them.
asciilifeform: first unit - use pc, yes, or borrow from phriend.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it.
phillipsjk: What size SSD are you thinking of using?
asciilifeform: why ship them? so many folks already selling them. just need defloration.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. well nubbins` was proposing a packaging etc.
danielpbarron: a 256 should last for 5 years if blocks are 1mb
asciilifeform: no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk 256 so far.
phillipsjk was planing on buying a new "cheap" SSD every year for his full node.
nubbins`: minimal, but nonetheless
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal.
asciilifeform: if one of you wants to print glossy stickers to cover the oem case, with dire warnings re: drive will be formatted, etc. whatever, cardboard boxes, - why not. but this is a luxury
phillipsjk: Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem.
mircea_popescu: you don't plug it into the wall
phillipsjk: Presumably you can mail our "bitcoin box v2" if you become convinced a larger loack-size is needed.
mircea_popescu: you plug it into your current modem
mircea_popescu: nat router, w/e you use
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3331 @ 0.00043017 = 1.4329 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: one of the motivations for this particular project is so that no bitcoin user can ever again have an 'upgrade' foisted on him by a phoundation shitgnome.
danielpbarron: can the pogonode be programmed to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw transactions in a text file, and broadcast them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a good idea btw. can it do that much ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what's wrong with connecting to the node properly on 8333 and spraying your tx in ?
mircea_popescu: yay. defo.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate.
mircea_popescu: !up macklemores_toup
mircea_popescu: dude i like talking things through in here, it's like a mental lens.
danielpbarron: the user might not have an online computer to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine
mircea_popescu: just paper wallets, no node whatsoever ?!
phillipsjk: MIcrosoft will want a cut is you use vfat :P
phillipsjk: *if
mircea_popescu: microsoft is not in the wot.
phillipsjk: Unfortunately Mircosoft deliberately broke UDF on hard-drives AKA USB sticks.
mircea_popescu: adaptec's private turd ?
trinque: why use vfat in the first place?
phillipsjk: They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works)
phillipsjk: trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl dunno what scoopbot's issue is ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/apple-first-greatest-biggest-etc/
assbot: Apple : first greatest biggest etc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsgd2W )
asciilifeform: why are we discussing weird microshit-proprietary filesystems ?
mircea_popescu: part of aculturation process for noobs ?
phillipsjk has a habit of going on tangents.
phillipsjk: Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.)
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: and wtf, if we're talking about fat16/32, that's in the kernel. mounts trivially
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine
mike_c: it should be irrelevant
lobbes: <asciilifeform> no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right?
mircea_popescu: but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!"
mike_c: yeah. it will be cool.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: heh, this will be my first practical contact
asciilifeform: hell knows. incidentally, who's for putting root pw (unique) on a scratch-off stickey on bottom. or, alternatively, send to requester by gpg
mircea_popescu: mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux"
lobbes: mircea_popescu: gotta learn sometime
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT"
mircea_popescu: and we can have a private chuckle
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: see it's working already.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US)
asciilifeform: i also admit i have a netbsd variant (experimental) for this machine
mircea_popescu: we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues.
phillipsjk: *patents
mircea_popescu: the chuckflation.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone.
phillipsjk: Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing.
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: not in the wot = no rights.
nubbins`: incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced
nubbins`: backed up til at least april right now
phillipsjk: The Wot is not Bitcoin though.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ << see thar
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsjxLd )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so can we get a block count and runtime count so far ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo writing up the "dark phone" bug ?
mircea_popescu: or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ?
trinque: "This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? << leaning towards this, but if interest isn't expressed soon I'll take a break from current writing to do it quickly.
asciilifeform: 135461; (running from zero on new disk since first i logged in today. see log.) 2 oomkills so far
BingoBoingo: !up phillipsjk
asciilifeform: appears to be wedged there. and has been for some time. but this is a build without the db lock patch. (ought to have wedged later, though ?)
asciilifeform: now unwedged. go figure.
davout: ohai
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3100 @ 0.00093545 = 2.8999 BTC [-] {13}
davout: the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date
davout: curious to see how long/how many oomkills it'll take to catch up
asciilifeform: davout: plan was, iirc, to fill these up with blockchain from parent machine, rather than sync from zero.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform time /
mircea_popescu: davout i'd say more like 3ish % but yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way.
mircea_popescu: the building chain process is in fact a decent way to advertise the node.
asciilifeform: ~4 hrs
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/e37d779218ba44f713254eb00a83799a/tumblr_mono8s5yEL1rjqog4o1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tstMzm )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, it got 135k blocks in 4 hours ?!
asciilifeform: first 135k
mod6: took mine like 12 hours to get that many.
mod6: i had 1 CPU/128Mb ram
asciilifeform: it's on a fat pipe. and presumably got lucky with seed
mod6: ah.
mircea_popescu: impressive!
davout: so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but wait, hasn't it been running since yest ?
mircea_popescu: davout something like that. danielpbarron is ready to write a 101 guide
PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is running, is it not posting new posts?
mircea_popescu: PeterL well it apparently missed one, and didn't respond to fetch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995717 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995729 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:20:41; asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
mircea_popescu: ah started over. kay.
davout: methinks setting up might not be trivial if one must also import a pre-loaded chain
mircea_popescu: well, i was ready to pronounce it victorious if it did more than 10k blocks / 24 hours, so.
mircea_popescu: one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain
asciilifeform: davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995906 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
davout: "one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting
mircea_popescu: apparently its ~ 100 hours or so
asciilifeform: for the record: 3rd oomkill, 136006 blocks, 25 second restart
mircea_popescu: ie, better than bitcoind for most of its history.
davout: if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible
mircea_popescu: even if it takes a month, it's perfectly fine.
davout: also http://cointelegraph.com/news/113383/amsterdam-bitcoin-hackathon-winner-discovers-way-to-remove-confirmations <<< top kek
assbot: Amsterdam Bitcoin Hackathon Winner Discovers Way To Remove Confirmations ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBviKw )
davout: "you just need to deposit some collateral"
mircea_popescu: sooo... any people looking to start a journalistic career ?
mircea_popescu: ". This is less than ideal, especially for some kinds of digital products – a Netflix-type of service that sells movies on demand, for instance."
mircea_popescu: these people are complete fucking idiots.
mircea_popescu: so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch
mircea_popescu: half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF
mircea_popescu: omfg, i saw half a movie!!1
nubbins`: joke's on them!!!111
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if twitter has formatted an entire generation to not fucking thing.
asciilifeform: 'As such, the funds will automatically be sent back to the user at some point in the future, unless both parties overwrite the transaction before that time.' >>>> obligatory >>>> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314
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mircea_popescu: think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory.
nubbins`: well y'know, give everyone the internet...
mircea_popescu: "This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. "
mircea_popescu: and this metastasized cult of the romantic "genius'
mircea_popescu: srsly, "people who had no idea made this" ?
mircea_popescu: how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first.
mircea_popescu: o wait. the romantic genius doesn't have a father.
mircea_popescu: he has tuberculosis.
davout: "how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult.
mircea_popescu: riiiight.
mircea_popescu: fucking amoebas, the libertard twentysomething.
nubbins`: alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router?
asciilifeform: not necessary that the amoebas are playing characters, however. they are not running the show, did not write script.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert.
nubbins`: k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well
mircea_popescu: that same unit can also be used to replicate itself, with crossover cable
mircea_popescu: but this is a perk./
nubbins`: a.
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asciilifeform: nubbins: it is (was originally sold as) a nas box. runs bitcoind now. idea was that it can also jailbreak and reflash a virginal unit of the same type, if plugged into it rather than the net
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah lol. i recall fluffypony was lookjing for someone to do that. hard work, tough bread.
davout: asciilifeform: i didn't get that part, it's pretty fucking cool
fluffypony: I thought I had someone, he bailed
fluffypony: (and that was with agreement to pay)
nubbins`: oh, i missed that as well.
nubbins`: what's the make/model?
mircea_popescu: davout this thing, started as a casual why not, turned into a fountain of cool. nuts.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ?
fluffypony: quite
mircea_popescu: we need slave labour damnit.
asciilifeform: davout: see log:
asciilifeform: !s pogoplug
assbot: 16 results for 'pogoplug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogoplug
asciilifeform: cheap (qty. 1, ~12 usd sans sata, 18 - with) box sold originally for nas and some 'cloud' bullshit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/b8746a519151b0d72d59f40f4e78ba4c/tumblr_mldvclICsu1qfrklho1_500.jpg << teh coy behaviour.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsD4v8 )
nubbins`: don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho
mircea_popescu: notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine.
asciilifeform: actually it could make sense if someone were to negotiate a massive bulk discount on the crate of boxes
mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken.
nubbins`: remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units.
nubbins`: asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted
asciilifeform: usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd.
mircea_popescu: shit, the usb errupters are a good idea.
nubbins`: asciilifeform true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform box takes usb stick doesnt it ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ?
asciilifeform: they take usb (usb3 even.) and at one point in the beginning i almost suggested baking in a miner. but 1) who makes miners reputably 2) it has no rng (see log)
nubbins`: couldn't tell ya
mircea_popescu: yeh right you are asciilifeform
nubbins`: but y'know. this is just adding whistles
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah
nubbins`: smallest capable size is what you want
nubbins`: if it can be hidden behind something, much more likely to be set up and left running
nubbins`: my router's stuffed behind my stereo in a jumble of wires, for example
nubbins`: i don't have room for a big ol' box
asciilifeform: nubbins: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << size & shape
assbot: test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsFGsS )
nubbins`: nb
nubbins`: that's the regular lid on the right?
davout: asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY amirite
assbot: Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBz3zE )
nubbins`: dat price
asciilifeform: nubbins: yes, it
nubbins`: and this is the thing you've been testing it on
nubbins` blinks, purchases
asciilifeform: aha
davout: asciilifeform: i'm up to date logwise, but it's not really clear to me if i should get some sort of chord, or provision separate sd card/storage
davout: in addition to the thing itself
asciilifeform: davout: i'm testing a replacement firmware (for the internal eeprom) that sees if sata disk is present, and, if not already containing a blockchain, formats it and starts from nil
asciilifeform: davout: the unit presently churning on my desk was booted from sd card - which i was using for testing (final firmware will be a read-only squashfs)
davout: ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough?
asciilifeform: davout: sd is slow as fuck
mircea_popescu: and wear prob lems
mircea_popescu: but it may work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was about 35x slower than the sata presently running
davout: ok, if its performance is storage-speed bound i should get a disk with it
asciilifeform: who doesn't have a bag of old laptop drives lying around ?
mircea_popescu: most people lol
davout: lol
davout: "No storage limits and no additional fees when using your own external hard drive" <<< lol, good to know
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, slower. obviously if a block takes less thna 10 minutes it's still perfectly usable.
asciilifeform: at this point, even most 'civilians' have the bag. just with the disks still in their shells (laptops, that is..)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop.
asciilifeform: the sd will croak reasonably quickly.
mircea_popescu: this is not going into items like, india, chad, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've seen hobos with laptop. not uncommon.
mircea_popescu: where you live.
davout: so sd card performance would be acceptable if blockchain pre-loaded
mircea_popescu: davout untested but conceivably.
davout: asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos
mircea_popescu: ^ aptly put.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from speaking with some, learned that actual hobos, traditional. but with laptop, because why not? none were born hobo
mircea_popescu: women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet.
asciilifeform: fella who has no bed, no postbox, one shirt, eats occasional leftovers, sits in restaurants and finishes other folks' drinks - what do you call him?
mircea_popescu: a web entrepreneur
nubbins`: would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there
mircea_popescu: at least in my experience.
asciilifeform: nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks.
nubbins`: oh, usb, that's right. jeez.
mircea_popescu: ^
nubbins`: one of those tiny little nub (!) ones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51449 @ 0.00043056 = 22.1519 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you can even buy them anymore
asciilifeform: wai wat?! 8g? how
mircea_popescu: and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives
nubbins`: 8gb usb nub and wifi nub, don't even need to plug it into router. just wall.
asciilifeform: nubbins: deliberately did not pick unit with wifi because now that needs to be configured - and did not plan to give it a ui of any kind (other than the built-in bicolor led)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wifi means plugged into router ;)
nubbins`: HEH
nubbins`: for some defs of plug!
mircea_popescu: for all of em lol. this guy has no wifi.
nubbins`: too true though. even WPS setup is too much of a burden at this point
davout: how does the blockchain fit in 8gb?
nubbins`: zip it, duh
nubbins`: ;D
mircea_popescu: oh that's right.
mircea_popescu: FINE!
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: usb sticks are ~$1/gb
mircea_popescu: i was here in an earlier time, a happier time
nubbins`: suppose it's a 64
nubbins`: still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all
davout: $ du -sh blocks --> 34G
mircea_popescu: 28gb atm
davout: the sd card or usb stick is gonna end up costing more than the actual device
davout: :D
mircea_popescu: ayup.
mircea_popescu: because you know, gavin is right and storage is free.
mircea_popescu: (if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin")
davout: it's ok, whatever usb stick i buy self-replicates every year
davout: OKEY DOKEY
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: wrong sp
mircea_popescu: wtf is it ?
nubbins`: i uh.
nubbins`: andreesen?
nubbins`: ;;google usgavin bitcoin
gribble: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't ...: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/>; Bitcoin - Twitter: <https://twitter.com/gavinandresen>; USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/>
nubbins`: andresen
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something,
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, here's a rough draft of the blackphone thing http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4q9wt0yr
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBC8zq )
mircea_popescu: maybe he can sell us some $0.5 / gb sticks.
mircea_popescu: to quote deedee, "do with your magic science or something!"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: in fairness, give it a year
nubbins`: and they prolly will be.
BingoBoingo: thanks danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, tell you what : http://log.b-a.link/?date=28-01-2015#996176
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 21:06:09; mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well
nubbins`: i actually semi-regularly purchase sub-$1/gb sticks as a matter of principle
mircea_popescu: that WAS given a coupla years, now it's 36 gb.
nubbins`: 2 troo
mircea_popescu: and if you do a leetal math, full 1mb blocks...
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 6 * 365 * 1024**2
gribble: 55113154560
nubbins`: why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever!
mircea_popescu: 55gb a year as we are.
asciilifeform: oomkill, 139007
mats: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?!
gribble: Current Blocks: 340906 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1813 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47404309835.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.85585
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00043899 = 7.5506 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll patch it as soon as i get a working patcher (see last night's thread)
mircea_popescu: kk
asciilifeform: incidentally - anyone bother to replicate my build yet ?
mats: https://soundcloud.com/freedomfry/freedom-fry-shaky-ground-hey-na-na-na
assbot: Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBD9Yy )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun think so.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug?
danielpbarron: isn't that this? -> "A memory corruption vulnerability allowed decryption of private messages to any attacker with the victim's user ID or phone number."
BingoBoingo: Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound.
mod6: asciilifeform: i havent. no clue how to ... 'specially since your email got eaten. and beyond that now all of our testing environments are kaput
mod6: which is another major problem for ben & i
mircea_popescu: jurov you around ?
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, sounds good
TomServo: RE: pogonode, according to an amazon customer "Just tried a 64gb sdxc and no joy. 32gb sdhc OK" if anyone was still considering SD.
danielpbarron: good point; that does make it sound especially bad
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/
assbot: BlackPhone Less Opaque Than Promised | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBEOgE )
asciilifeform: sd is just a bitch
xanthyos: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00043011 = 9.6254 BTC [-]
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/
jurov: mircea_popescu: just arrived
mircea_popescu: jurov apparerntly there's some issues with the mailing list
jurov: i know, explained in the morning
jurov: but was afk, only now i got gpg to refresh keys so that i can resubmit alf's email
asciilifeform: any thoughts re: the idea of replacing std::allocator in the turd with a pool allocator?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995721 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not advanced enough to say.
mircea_popescu: !up t4nk
asciilifeform: it'd be another step closer to planting it on bare metal, also...
mircea_popescu: this is a point huh
asciilifeform: not essential piece, but should be tried, unless somebody plugs leak soon
asciilifeform: as it is, os kills it, and it dies 'with full pants'
jurov: http://btc.yt/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html okay it's here
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXgLV )
davout: asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind
asciilifeform: ty jurov!
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html but here the column "signed by" seems utter mess :(
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXoLr )
asciilifeform: davout: hence this idea. it did not come from empty space.
mod6: ah cool, i see it now
davout: asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me to say it's a good idea :-)
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/
mircea_popescu: worx now.
mircea_popescu: scoopbot you old perv
asciilifeform: mod6: cat: gpgout.log: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: because, i think, already had keys
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter
pete_dushenski: it seems to me that it just was
pete_dushenski: just as it just is
pete_dushenski: just as bitcoin will itself underpin a large global economy.
asciilifeform: cat: chicken.sig.log: No such file or directory
pete_dushenski: maybe it wants to, maybe it doesn't, but it will be
asciilifeform: none of the gpg logs end up written
mod6: are you using the one from teh email or the one from the website?
asciilifeform: site
mod6: it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory.
mod6: clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE
asciilifeform: it does, but none of the keys are marked 'trusted', it appears
mod6: Should still end up with "Good Signature"
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: the gpg logs never happen.
mod6: *shrug*, works for me i guess
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: what's this, the magic website ?!
mod6: I'll take it down.
mod6: YOu'll just have to patch it by hand.
mircea_popescu: but i mean...
nubbins`: you mean, we nice
nubbins`: ;/
mod6: done
BingoBoingo: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WAZCWV.txt )
pete_dushenski: Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed
asciilifeform: !b 1
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XE4HJ7.txt )
mircea_popescu: doh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00043266 = 17.1766 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 144255 block
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
mircea_popescu: get a wot already eh.
phillipsjk: What is the minimum?
mircea_popescu: for what ?
phillipsjk: the bot voicing me
pete_dushenski: l2
mircea_popescu: 1
danielpbarron: the minimum is typing the command; he's already in assbot's l2
mircea_popescu: ah ok
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot phillipsjk
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
mircea_popescu: yeah you pm assbot !up and verify it.
phillipsjk: I guess asking the bot the first time did not work becuase... DDOS
mircea_popescu: possibru
mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/kobane-beginning-isil-201512782724826681.html
assbot: Kobane: The beginning of the end for ISIL - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttnS0M )
mats: kurds took kobane. should be interesting to see if IS gets crushed... but i doubt it
phillipsjk: is there a way to check if assbot has me authed now? (it gave no acknowledgment)
BingoBoingo: !down phillipsjk
BingoBoingo: !up phillipsjk
mod6: asciilifeform: see pm, maybe you can help me debug that thing
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Did you decode and reply with !v decryptedstring?
jurov: mod6 i'm on it, too
mod6: thanks jurov
phillipsjk: no, I just gave it the decrypted string
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it.
mircea_popescu: well done.
davout: mazeltov
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/50272c1a00a7d304816b7cd0f7aebedf/tumblr_mnxxa0siTe1rymyzgo1_1280.jpg << who said teh ghetto's a dangerous place ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tttPe1 )
jurov: is there a command to unescape clearsigned text?
jurov: in the script there are plenty of lines starting with -
jurov: that got mangled
davout: jurov: gpg -d would do that
jurov: mod6 ^
jurov: got it working
davout: iirc that'll output unescaped text to stdout and signature verification result to stderr
mats: http://pando.com/2014/11/10/the-war-nerd-farewell-islamic-state-we-hardly-knew-ye << huh. i had no idea the War Nerd writes for pando now.
assbot: The War Nerd: Farewell Islamic State, we hardly knew ye | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rk12o )
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone is stuck waiting for a ghost fix or w/e, not bakcported yet into your distro :
mircea_popescu: size_needed = (sizeof (*host_addr)
mircea_popescu: - + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs) + strlen (name) + 1);
mircea_popescu: + + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs)
mircea_popescu: + + sizeof (*h_alias_ptr) + strlen (name) + 1);
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking lulzy too.
mod6: \o/
mod6: thanks mp
mircea_popescu: that's basically it, recompile.
mod6: jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right?
jurov: mod6 that's about script not working
mod6: oh. weird.
mod6: OH
mod6: ok.. yes.
mod6: i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me. so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines.
mod6: the one that I had linked on the webpage, needs a bit of debugging i think.
jurov: but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested
jurov: and won't accept relative paths for homedir
mod6: now that is bizzare
jurov: and if pointed to empty homedit, it won't import keys
jurov: *homedir
mod6: so you're saying that this doesn't work: gpg --logger-file alert-snip.sig.log --homedir .gnupg
mod6: (for instance)
mod6: it's gotta be a versioning problem.
mod6: lemme see what I was using...
mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:~# gpg --version
mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
mod6: and
jurov: gpg --logger-file gpgout.log --import pubkeys/*.asc << this line
mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6# gpg --version
mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
mod6: huh.
jurov: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.25 << such spawn of evil
mod6: jurov: if you don't mind, what version of gpg are you using
mod6: ahh, ok
mod6: yeah, i think this is an old school thing
mod6 looks
jurov: anyway, gonna post my script
mod6: deeeerp
mod6: --log-file file
mod6: --logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2.
mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/greek-pm-longer-submit-eu-150128130451453.html
assbot: Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttDbql )
mats: hohoho
mats: "Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity"
mod6: gotta figure out something with this --homedir option
nubbins`: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/american-claim-africa-science-jeremiah-heaton-egypt-sudan
assbot: American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rrcrr )
mod6: that one looks to be an option in both branches... so i dunno
mod6: i guess one can set an env var "GNUPGHOME" also
mod6: ill try some different things a bit later. bbiab
nubbins`: this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there
nubbins`: and dares to mention "innovative agricultural production" as one of his goals
nubbins`: i have no sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00043539 = 9.4697 BTC [+]
jurov: mod6 script fix sent
mats: nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok
nubbins`: if nobody was burning your olive groves to build illegal settlements, you'd be doing ok too
nubbins` sets lit match on floor
jurov: mod6, also it left all qt-related files in
jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97750 @ 0.00042924 = 41.9582 BTC [-] {2}