mircea_popescu: "At the heart of the controversy is a breakdown in public trust that reflects the dangers of corporate-led water privatization schemes in the United States and around the world."
mircea_popescu: holy shit! for 30 fucking years all the world could hear from us' imf "experts" was privatize, privatize, privatize
mircea_popescu: now there's dangers involved ? shit, i guess we gotta go apologize to all the locals that said so back then ?
pete_dushenski: send them instagram selfies of imf experts making sad faces
mircea_popescu: Most troubling are charges of decades of revolving-door cronyism surrounding Joe Glicker, a vice president of CH2M Hill, the company awarded the contracts to build the new covered reservoirs for Portland. Not only was Glicker a former chief engineer of the Portland Water Bureau (PWB), he also worked as a core consultant with the EPA to write the very LT2 rules that now require these massive "emergency" water infrastruc
mircea_popescu: "Glicker's hand in crafting the LT2 ruling helped create an unfunded mandate that opened new markets for his company, while blindsiding cash-strapped municipalities across the country."
pete_dushenski: blindsiding? you'd think botswana would just expect to be shit on by now
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude... god save Botswana over there. << Stahp impeaching Botswana's reputation by implying the United States resembles it.
BingoBoingo: But compared to the US it should suck less!
BingoBoingo: People's epistemic frameworks for determining suck are broken.
pete_dushenski: speaking of cognac, i wonder what albert camus woulda thought of a $2100 bottle of the stuff bearing his name
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice? << people like putting it in. what can i say ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture. << At least Botswana's economy accepts that it exists simply as a tool for extracting raw resources.
mircea_popescu: they pretend, just like everyone else, to the utmost of their ability.
mircea_popescu: that it's obvious to you but not to them has more to do with the fact that they're used to their own shit than anything.
BingoBoingo: Well it's like the KeystoneXL pipeline debate for which both sides neglect to discuss the destination of oil flowing through it (the export market)
mircea_popescu: i dunno exactly what inflamed part of the cerebrum it comes from, but it's a commie thing.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo re keystone xl: eh could just as well be domestic consumption
BingoBoingo: I thought the entire point of having a domicile was heating it so clothing inside became optional.
pete_dushenski: export pipelines to china from alberta are happening whether keystone goes forward or not
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not really. Domestically we are getting the oil just fine. There's refineries spread all over the country. The point of the pipe is it runs to the ports in Texas.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area?
undata: ^ clearly this merits spending a few hundred million
undata: look that reservoir, you didn't make that to piss in, we all did
undata: and yet people still swim in the river
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements << uranium is, if mishandled, extremely toxic.
mircea_popescu: because the us is built on "0% risk", see. otherwise smoking is ok and no need for helmets.
undata: google says the average bladder is about 0.5 L
mircea_popescu: on an equal exposure basis, suspended particulates / oxides way way beat stuff like azbestos.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gold oxides and suspensions are very moderately toxic
mircea_popescu: (the colodial silver folk are the working study group for this)
assbot: Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go <<< turns out stan is ALSO toxic
pete_dushenski: i guess an "inventor" for me doesn't have to have a specific product attributed to them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00062859 = 16.9719 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess if you're a lesbian ballerina coneisseurette, it's a dildo.
pete_dushenski: in a way, i suppose that the opposite of an inventor is anonymous...
mircea_popescu: On April 5, DPR wrote: "I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action."
pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i enjoy reading these articles even if it's the same subject matter all over again,
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha yknow come to think of it that rings a bell
pete_dushenski: you just caught me in the middle of reading "ethics" again and that's the salient bit
mircea_popescu: Schisms do not originate in a love of truth, which is a source of courtesy and gentleness, but rather in an inordinate desire for supremacy. From all these considerations it is clearer than the Sun at noonday, that the true schismatics are those who condemn other men's writings, and seditiously stir up the quarrelsome masses against their authors, rather than those authors themselves, who generally write only for the l
mircea_popescu: earned, and appeal solely to reason. In fact, the real disturbers of the peace are those who, in a free state, seek to curtail the liberty of judgment which they are unable to tyrannize over.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area? << Texas itself net exports on its own
pete_dushenski: “The greatest secret of monarchic rule...is to keep men deceived and to cloak in the specious name of religion the fear by which they must be checked, so that they will fight for slavery as they would for salvation, and will think it not shameful, but a most honorable achievement, to give their life and blood that one man may have a ground for boasting.”
mircea_popescu: what else would life&blood be given for ? moar offspring ?
mircea_popescu: shit, "human girls asshole" search string trendingon trilema. THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED!
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too? << Yes, especially the neighbors. "Fracking"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ? << This. Also Oklahomo, Louisiana...
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> further north, monsanto farms Further north and Keystone XL doesn't need to be as long. Right now trains and barges move crude. Refineries scatted around as well.
BingoBoingo: I actually think this whole fracking/pipeline thing is rather poetic. The United States is literally shattering the country's bedrock to become more like Nigeria.
nubbins`: hi, looks like i was offline for 2 weeks and am only now noticing :D
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Naw, I had just noticed he joined the chan earlier.
nubbins`: apologies for the technical difficulties, gribble's absence has left us mildly encumbered
thestringpuller: what if nanotube leaving was an attempt to make ops in our channel
RagnarDanneskjol: While we anxiously await gribb's return, its worth mentioning, the best btc exchange avail is funded by donations...address is at bottom of OTC website
pete_dushenski: since there's no ;;later function, you'll note that i left you a msg in the logs
PeterL: wrt pipeline: I thought they were piping it to texas because that is where the refineries are, refineries are there because that is where ports are?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Well a number of refineries there, but there' refineries pretty much everywhere.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced. << does this mean you also appreciate time management?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00062169 = 31.0845 BTC [-]
PeterL: mircea_popescu: you said a replacement for gribble auth was in the works, were you referring to "gossipd" or a more readily available something else, like using assbot for auth?
PeterL: any details available?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall
mircea_popescu: tempted to guess it'll be before bitstamp's exchange's back online at any rate :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00064463 = 30.1365 BTC [+]
nanotube: yes, nanotube is alive. unfortunately, my server network isn't so much. :)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall << will assbot write to a wot db - assbot_wot.db if you will? or will it just be read-only?
mircea_popescu: on the plus side, since we have the signed pastebin thing down pat by now,
mike_c: can it get 'rated since' right? so you don't have to weigh whether it is worth changing a rating description vs losing the original rating date.
mike_c: meh. i don't mind replacing. rating shouldn't necessarily follow you forever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062202 = 18.3807 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mike_c: well some things stay ony our credit report for years even if the rating changes :P
mike_c: yes. thankfully we are not experian :)
mircea_popescu: hekc, the old ones don't go away either, you can just log the chan.
mike_c: there's a channel with all rating updates
thestringpuller: so the db is gonna be fresh, everyone has to re-register keys and stuff?
mike_c: thestringpuller: #bitcoin-otc-ratings
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see why it would have to be fresh.
BingoBoingo: The instrument of restoring Venetian civilization
blazeme8: ooohh the thing from bitcoin-otc
blazeme8: man I have no idea if i still have my key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14652 @ 0.00065395 = 9.5817 BTC [+]
assbot: "You have to be careful about drinking around me," Cosby just said to a woman in the crowd. Loud gasps from the audience.
assbot: The gasps then changed to cheers and applause.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe? Then again I don't have a community college degree. Maybe I should stick around in the US just long enough to get an Obama degree.
mircea_popescu: (bum goes to donate blood. "do you have aids ?" "no. do you ?" "actually... yes." "gimme two.")
BingoBoingo: Trying to catch AIDs for the welfare is apparently actually a subculture.
nanotube: gribble should be coming back any time now.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Broken link in that latest post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00061813 = 38.0459 BTC [-] {5}
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Was told to cut $$$ value of inventory, was sent a bunch of expensive about to expire.
mircea_popescu: the two are unrelated tho. they had some shit about to expire. of coruse it gets sent out.
BingoBoingo: Well, Zostavax is notorious for being used infrequently to never.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the error is the bizarre notion that headquarters is in the business of doing the shop's job, only they have better tools ?
mircea_popescu: that's not how business works. the shop is in the business of solving hq's problems. all of them.
mircea_popescu: that's why the shop exists. if it doesn't do that, it can dangle.
mircea_popescu: zostavax is notorious for being the main source of shingles in the us, but that's another story.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason they pushed for lowering inventory is probably exactly the fact that they keep ending up with shit that doesn'tsell because it expires.
mircea_popescu: if anything that delivery is the explanation of why the fuck the call was even necessary.
BingoBoingo: Right. Example of inept "failed to success" HQ crowd
assbot: Logged on 23-12-2014 19:47:34; mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: speaking of horrible us pharma crapola that's ended up giving vaccines a bad name in the us, and the people who (properly!) refuse vaccination now get to be depicted as redneck savages because o noes, vaccines are great (they would be, and they were before us companies got involved) :
mircea_popescu: i am deeply amused at how everything's "an allergic reaction" now.
BingoBoingo: Why lawyer with a law degree when you can "community organize" for better hours and pay
mircea_popescu: anyway, "got shingles from the merck vaccine ? O ITS JUS TAN ALLERGIC REACTION WILL GO AWAY"
BingoBoingo: Well, live virus vaccine and Elderly patients are circles you don't want touching on a Venn Diagram anyways.
mircea_popescu: but you gotta sell crap for 200 bux a pop or w/e it is
mircea_popescu: and i fat least all this embezzled money went into research, you know ? all the idiots that gave themselves zona zooster because "medicine" and "Science" could at least serve humanity.
mircea_popescu: but, just like in the case of shittywood and so on, the actual creatives get 1.5% and tjhey gotta be in a union for that even.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00089285 = 2.2321 BTC [-] {14}
BingoBoingo: Well, it is one of those cases where what works for polio does not work for the more beneign herpes zoster.
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the best example of bs. first off, idiot us derps are more affraid of pain than anytihng. so let's create this fantastic disease which CAN HURT REALLY BAD
mircea_popescu: and then let's sell a vaccine for it. which is a shitload more expensive than a useful one, like the polio one.
mircea_popescu: vaccine doesn't work, but that's ok, because the thing it "protects " against doesn't really happen.
BingoBoingo: I mean shingles is the perfect disease that hurts bad without threatening life.
mircea_popescu: if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is. << Well also the part where the only chance most USians have to gape in awe at a golden toilet is at the doctor's (or increasingly almost doctor's)
mircea_popescu: check out idiotpedia : "An allogenic succession can be brought about in a number of ways which can include: Volcanic eruptions Meteor or comet strike Flooding Drought Earthquakes Non-anthropogenic climate change"
mircea_popescu: totally. except the only climate change documented to date is caused BY FUCKING BACTERIA
mircea_popescu: not by humans. and it doesn't properly fit allogenic succession definition, but because, like the putative anthropogenic climate change that allegedly is being prevented by that dumb teenager in the snow up in the log, is caused by fucking living things.
mircea_popescu: then people want to know why retardopedia is not a source of information. this is why. because in the mouths of the stupid, even good sense loses itself.
mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic quality that makes a text string "science". it's the signature on it. a repository of anon derpage can be an encyclopedia like a pile of ascari lumbricoides can be my wife.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "15% incremental difficulty increase before April"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1099/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 2 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to top one bitcent before March"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/ Odds: 4(Y):96(N) by coin, 4(Y):96(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,975.
BingoBoingo suspects dead virus "chicken pox" vaccine isn't possible without triggering serious autoimmune issues. Herpes is in our DNA.
mircea_popescu: more like it's one of those viruses for which the capsid plays so many functions, it's not really anything without it
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Also successful enough to bury its blueprints within our own almsot universally.
mircea_popescu: lucky asciilifeform is out of bitcoin, can't put nething down :D
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Cardano to Ship in 2015"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 5(Y):95(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00065 = 18.07 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 338158 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44388130141.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.22019
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.048, Best ask: 282.049, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 282.048, 24 hour volume: 7930.86953, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 291.979, 24 hour vwap: 284.542495
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82051 @ 0.00065916 = 54.0847 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: lmao wait, garza's scamcoin now has an army on top of all the other things it doesn't have ?
BingoBoingo: Their problem is they lack an effective prophet of doom like the one we maintain in danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: lulzy anyway. cazalla pops their bubble, they go kill some dude in indiana ?
BingoBoingo: To be fair unlike qntra coinfire keeps poking that dead thing instead of trying to respect the only enough bullets to kill it rule.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00066284 = 24.9891 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Well, coinfire keeps talking about every new wound that emerges as it bleeds out.
BingoBoingo: The qntra position in contrast is its dead, let it rot in relative peace.
BingoBoingo swears a piece on Roger Ver and American emigration law is indeed coming. Looking like it will be the biggest turd I've dropped into qntra's bowl so far.
BingoBoingo: Organizing it is still the problem being wrestled with. Elbow deep in the horse rectum of 'Murican emigration law and hand's feeling numb because that sphincter is tight like East Germany's was.
BingoBoingo: Well. Working on getting this one right considering it may be applicable to my own plan to escape the moon by stacking chairs.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 6 days | weight: 10`934 (100`000 to 1) ... (
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mircea_popescu: "That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)"
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Sample preview sentence: While most civilized states merely require proof of onward travel in a form as simple as a plane ticket to a destination outside of their borders, United States consulates in making determinations however evaluate applicants "holistically" with an emphasis not on forward travel for potential visitors, but on return specifically to their country of residence.
BingoBoingo: It's mostly just a mind fuck documenting the behavior of a gravity well from a non-astronomical perspective.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i forget, what was the bitcoin bowl thing cost ?
BingoBoingo: $500k for sponsorhips rights alone. The rest of the marketing all came with other costs.
BingoBoingo: So actual mindfuck. Many of the treaties offering USians Visa free travel... demand the US reciprocate...
BingoBoingo: If not always in the treaty text, often in the national laws of counterparty states reciprocity is mandated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00064595 = 17.4407 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Just weird digging into the ways the US really is rogue.
BingoBoingo: Prolly easier to count they ways USia is compliant than deviant
BingoBoingo: I mean the US has its own bizzaro EU with Microneia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau
BingoBoingo: Germany only wishes the EU could be so lopsided
assbot: Jackson Palmer: I created $20m Dogecoin phenomenon and all I have to show for it is a jar of Nutella ... (
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davout: thestringpuller: you can hardly resolve 'never launched', you may be able to decide whether something was active at some date
davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:12:27; mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly.
davout: mircea_popescu: defined by the first block's hash
davout: or alternatively any current block hash
cazalla: My apologies to any and all annoyed by my drunken spamming of the channel last night..
davout: there's also the work part
davout: also an orphan would only get 50 confirmations at infinity, not in a month
mircea_popescu: davout there exists something like that already, "gavin's orphan chain won't die before 50 block long"
davout: i think it missed the timeframe bit amirite
davout: yeah, but if it manages 2016 confs in a month it has at least half the hashpower
assbot: On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1BThrna )
assbot: nullc comments on On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" ... (
http://bit.ly/1AzJuem )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that you in there, pointing out gmaxwell's idiocy ?
mircea_popescu: you know, i despise reddit, and that thing's a fine example, like are many others.
fluffypony: I applaud the test coverage, and I do agree that OpenSSL is shitty, but I don't understand the logic in writing from scratch
mircea_popescu: but i do respect the sort of idiot that will actually go in there and do that sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't plead in favour for your intelligence, but it is certainly noble.
mircea_popescu: so if you had to guess, how many previously innocent reddit read your comment and figured "hmm... there's something here" ?
mircea_popescu: well, don't burn out. intelligence is relatively common
fluffypony: well at least it makes for a change from "omg gaw are skammirz, we had no idae"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i very much doubt nullc actually has any idea as to what's going on, apart from being in the room when it was explained and now typing words on reddit. and i doubt wuille actually did anything deliberately nefarious there.
mircea_popescu: but yes openssl is warty. especially for this use. and heck, more tests... never hurt.
mircea_popescu: i'm sort of pondering creating a "compare openssl / polarssl / blockstream ec implementations" research project
mircea_popescu: i mean, tests, sure, provable code, sure, random tests, sure.
fluffypony: the ecp functions and the ecp curves are ~3400 lines of code
fluffypony: no - in library/ecp_curves.c and library/ecp.c
punkman: I think that lib predates blockstream
mircea_popescu: so they made it for the vc backed firm by recycling some older stuffs ?
punkman: probably someone else started it, they are trying to be relevant by doing "core" development now
punkman: so they'll stick their noses in many places
punkman: seems like it was Pieter Wuille's thing at first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18516 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00065262 = 36.4162 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00064595 = 11.3364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3465 @ 0.00062412 = 2.1626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063961 = 6.1403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5506 @ 0.00063961 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.35388047 BTC. Current weight: 92,212.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.0009305 = 2.7915 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00064548 = 16.7179 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: davout: yea I don't know how to word it. i know how to bet on exchanges going down.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 09:00:04; davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
thestringpuller: how do you resolve? blockchain.info I personally wouldn't trust as a resolution source
davout: why would you need bc.info to count blocks and count hashes?
davout: simply running a client on both chains and reading its output would do just fine
davout: or am i misunderstanding something you're saying here?
davout: i dunno lol, i'm just saying you don't need an intermediary to source the resolution data, the data is by definition public, right?
thestringpuller: this is valid point. what constitutes a public resolution source? I may be overthinking. But Bitbets get stricter every year (for good reason).
davout: the same source that makes us all agree on who owns which coins
davout: srsly, that could be one of the very few bets to be automatically solvable
thestringpuller: you make a great point. just have to word the bet correctly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0082 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC)
jurov: he's looking forward to the day someone does DPA on his brain
jurov: "i was right all along!!!"
adlai: this is OK, when they attain self-awareness we should start worrying
jurov: "The Core Developers or other programmers could propose amendments to the Bitcoin Network’s protocols and software that, if accepted and authorized by the Bitcoin Network’s community, could adversely affect an investment in the Shares." huehue
adlai: yes this is a document, it has been published, there are no risks because nothing is for sale yet
adlai digs a little... hang on...
adlai: courtesy of leddit
jurov: differential power analysis
davout: Merlak, 28, and his colleague Nejc Kodric, 25, both computer experts, founded Bitstamp in 2011. According to the Slovenian media the two had earned about 23 million euros ($27.2 million) from the enterprise which places them among the 50 richest Slovenians.
adlai: and i'm among the 50 richest people from my army unit
davout: i'm the richest of my living rool!11
jurov: tsk,tsk. so much jealousy
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davout: thestringpuller: s/enian/akian/
jurov: we're all somalians anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1174 @ 0.00092021 = 1.0803 BTC [+] {2}
davout: jurov: wrong, i'm nigerian
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4267 @ 0.0008903 = 3.7989 BTC [-] {9}
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.749, Best ask: 284.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 284.749, 24 hour volume: 6868.74826, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 289.0, 24 hour vwap: 283.052995
mircea_popescu: i hope hje's partenering with kenna to start a moon printing program
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol no, it is not going in the right direction.
mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month, and i've only not neg rated him yet because gribblewas off.
mircea_popescu: you're not welcome to keep pestering people in pms, and deedbot will be reimplemented for the third time.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, if i find out the molokization of deedbot v2.0 actually has anything to do with your meddling, i'll negrate you too.
Apocalyptic: "molokization" // in reference to Moloch ?
mircea_popescu: no, in reference to some derp that implemented the first version and made an utter mess of it.
Apocalyptic: in the bitcoin space not much, just keeping track
Apocalyptic: I don't think so, not qualified nor time for it
mircea_popescu: "You can't tell them anything that will change their minds. You have to show them that money can be made online by actually doing it yourself. Don't be influenced by the nay-sayers, just prove them wrong."
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin isn't half as revolutionary as we had thought. internet scammers had the exact same problems long prior.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1158 @ 0.00086497 = 1.0016 BTC [-] {5}
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?
ben_vulpes: actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi
kakobrekla: We are happy to announce that we are back open for business
kakobrekla: * Bitstamp is now running on Amazon’s world-class AWS cloud infrastructure, architected to be one of the most secure and reliable cloud computing environments available.
mircea_popescu: well, let's verify this most secure computer environments claim.
mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
☟︎ joecool: kakobrekla: aw man you mean they didn't choose godaddy shared hosting?
kakobrekla: that only allows for up to 2gb of css.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, i look at those guys, i kinda wanna be friends.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "In its heyday, Empire Ranch was one of the largest in Arizona, with a range spanning over 180 miles, and its owner, Walter L. Vail, was an important figure in the establishment of southern Arizona's cattle industry."
mircea_popescu: probably the source of all the cowboy and indian stories. and, notably, the first ranch where the queen bee woman actually settled down on the premises.
mircea_popescu: it's very interesting to me from an anthropological pov, because you see, at the time everything was "empire", from film studios to pond shops.
mod6: if Vail, AZ (the city/surrounding area) is named after him, I used to live right by there.
mod6: the ranch certainly looks close.
mod6: Yeah, the modern city/area of Vail is just north of where the historical ranch is located.
mod6: Beautiful land out there. At least, to me anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7285 @ 0.00085799 = 6.2505 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: not really my cup, but then again we can't all gaggle in the same spots.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is a point often skirted by the "paradise on earth" folk, be they "bitcoin country" or anything-else-country (loads of these historically) : not everyone likes thesame!
mircea_popescu: i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can all this be accomodated in whatever Xtown.
mod6: haha. i love the desert.
mod6: part of it is, there arn't many people there.
thestringpuller: mod6 only likes the desert cause he lives in tundra for 9 months out of the year.
mod6: haha, perhaps. im sure ive had frostbite like 69 times
mod6: when your digits start to thaw, they feel like someone hit them with a sledge hammer. not a ton of fun I tell you.
mod6: i do kinda wish i could grow a mustasche like those guys in the picture though.
thestringpuller: the music is all programmed in layers so that depending on what the user is doing the music triggers, but it's all timed to a single metronome: the heart beat of the city
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 19:42:28; mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. << I imagine mircea_popescu taking the girls out to catch their own mink and fox
mircea_popescu: “Eventually, law enforcement knew and anticipated needing to enter the residence, in order to take the subject into custody. Based upon the information being developed through interviews and practices used by other agencies in the past, it became necessary to breech part of the outside area of the house to ensure the safety of all involved.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00064548 = 12.5869 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there should be some sort of tracked or maybe flexible wing roof remover ? like a huge can opener.
BingoBoingo: We have naturally occuring deroofers that roam the countryside in favorable weather... Tornados
BingoBoingo: Well gotta do that design inspired by nature thing
BingoBoingo: Most common size the things come in is fuck up a few trees and remove approximately one roof
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?
kakobrekla: yes - they burned all the free resources.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand?
thestringpuller: assbot: wot should have better API for us to dock our interfaces into
jurov: i suspect bitstamp is in shortage of people who can quickly and reliably set up iron. hence aws
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too
jurov: grrr i so hate spotting typos. and it's in first sentence. ( BingoBoingo see qntra comment )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what more than "here's the db" which nano already does ?
mircea_popescu: prolly help if it were signed / dated, but that's not such a big deal.
decimation:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/01/02/1418761112 << lol usg 'research': "The number of principal investi- gators for R01s who are 36 y of age or youn- ger has declined from 18% in 1983 to 3% in 2010. Today, more than twice as many R01s are awarded to principal investigators who are over 65 y as are under 36 y, a reversal from only 15 y ago."
decimation: "R01s" are "leading NIH research grants"
mircea_popescu: gerontocracy is necessarily a failure mode of soviet states
mircea_popescu: generally because the living standards decay is obvious to the younger men.
decimation: plus the aged have control over the levers of power, sufficient to 'raise the bar' to attempt to extract increasingly more effort from the young
mircea_popescu: jurov brings a very interesting question re supporting eulora. we could in principle drop 32 bit support. now, if this were a crypto thing or any such high assurance system i'd never consider it. but it's a game.
decimation: until they have their final birthday party
mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps. it only works if young women buy into ti tho.
decimation: I think there's a soft-money aspect here too
decimation: generally the soft-money treadmill is such that only those who have run the race for awhile actually have any assets
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 00:39:45; pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00065513 = 17.5247 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: fiat, fiat business stock, fiat bonds, promises from usg to pay
mircea_popescu: i dunno. you can get plenty of such assets by simply catching aids.
decimation: the republican senate 'in principle' opposes the taxes and spending required to give free medical care to old people, but in reality fully supports showering its vote bank with trinkets
decimation: heh in that case, the us senate supports whatever wintel tells them to, which is gonna be 64-bit
jurov: "Rep. X caught playing Eulora insession"
mircea_popescu: "In 1980, the average Politburo member was 70 years old, as opposed to 55 in 1952 and 61 in 1964." << in this view the soviets fell because they couldn't find enough 85 yos for the 90s
decimation: actually if you go to visit Congress in person (not recommended), you discover that they are never 'in session'
decimation: 99% of the time the room is completely empty except for the speaker, a few derps on the podium, and a clerk or two
decimation: everyone else in Congress has 'better things to do'
jurov: not even when queen speaks?
decimation: mostly, except for the annual 'state of the union', in which case it is very important to be seen 'in session' for the cameras
mircea_popescu: but yes, decimation has a good point. nothing brings the abandonment of that republic clearer in view than going through its halls while on business.
decimation: yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women
mircea_popescu: only a minority of which with visible cum stains on dress/hair
decimation: all of whom come for the promise of 'gaining access' to 'power', the appearance of which is doled out carefully in DC
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decimation: up until a few years ago, it was permissible for anyone to walk into the Capitol and walk wherever they pleased
decimation: suddenly 'because security' - tourist are now restricted to little groups led by a poor student
decimation: well, the ostenisble reason is 'security', but the actual reason is that it is one more 'perk' that can be given as a favor by someone who appears to have power
mircea_popescu: yeah, perianne boring is a product of a process, rather than a person.
mircea_popescu: obviously that process only works in a narrow conventional field, to the degree it might as well be a literary device. but literary characters are not necessarily aware of their conventional nature.
mircea_popescu: something like "tom sawyer pinched himself and saw that he was flesh and blood like any man".
decimation: washington DC is famous for being 'inbred' in the sense that its 'experts' are all home-grown
decimation: well, if they play their cards right they can scam fiat from outsiders hoping to 'change the process'
mircea_popescu: not at all what i mean. consider the difference between say, a carpertner apprentice and a cowboy apprentice, both 15 in 1915.
mircea_popescu: "Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ? Mother do you think they'll like the song ? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls ?"
mircea_popescu: legitimate questions, all fo them. and they always get the same answer, of course. but irrespective of how well the cowboy manages to re-adjust
davout: i have never looked this up actually
davout: what's gun law like in argentina? can you just go and get one?
mircea_popescu: if you want a gun legally, you should instead buy a cop.
davout: that's pretty pragmatic
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, epic fucking police state you got there. so, some people driving through the armpit of paris run into three police patrols. because wtf, 30% of all paris works as cops or something ?
mircea_popescu: NONE of which manage to do anything but get shot. why even call them police then ? what are they for, hussling people, right ?
mircea_popescu: they don't stop crime, they just bother the 0.x% remaining parisians who actually have a job that's not enacted by hollande's fiat
mircea_popescu: what was it, 19th arrondisment ? that's like... barracas, basically.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you run into three police cars doing three miles in the utter periphery ?
davout: what shooting are you referring to precisely?
davout: police is annoying yes, they did save my ass once tho
mircea_popescu: En quittant les locaux, les assaillants tombent sur un véhicule de police en ressortant dans la rue. Ils ouvrent à nouveau le feu avant de remonter à bord de leur Citroën. Une course-poursuite s'engage. Ils empruntent l’allée verte, une rue perpendiculaire à celle du siège de Charlie Hebdo. Croisent une autre patrouille de policiers, en VTT. Nouveaux tirs, sans victime. Arrivé sur le boulevard Richard-Lenoir,
mircea_popescu: nouvelle fusillade: un policier, âgé d’une trentaine d’années et rattaché au commissariat du XIe arrondissement, est touché puis froidement abattu au sol.
mircea_popescu: so. ran into a random patrol. shot at them. moved on, ran into another. shot at them too. ran into random cop. shot him too.
davout: well, the third one isn't that close
davout: but yeah, there are quite a few cops in paris
mircea_popescu: but that's exactly my problem here. there are A LOT of derps masquerading as cops. neither of these is good.
davout: the ones on their bicycle are the most problematic ones, they sneak upon you
mircea_popescu: on one hand, because a lot means they're expensive, and taken from more useful stuff. on the other, because if the cop can't hold his own then why even have him.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a "and they run into a cop while he had his back turned and shot him dead". this is "french police reliably can not hold its own against determined assailants". well...
mircea_popescu: is the paris police force in danger of rape ? what's next ?
mircea_popescu: should they carry mace and avoid walking alone at night to the car ?
mircea_popescu: should they call home and have an adult male take them in hand ?
davout: i guess we should simply send our cops to syria for training instead of our youth
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have 10 cops that have a ld50 dose of 3 shooting assailants than 10k cops that basically constitute ballistic sacks.
davout: choose which ones you buy carefully, problem solved
mircea_popescu: yeah, except in a society that does this everyone's doing something else stupid to compensate willy-nilly.
BingoBoingo: That was the ambassador's actual christmas card two years ago
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BingoBoingo: My bet is he wanted that ambassadorship for the swedish twinks
mircea_popescu: i can scarcely imagine what i would want an old assault rifle for.
mircea_popescu: i've really not kept up with it. maybe not, they're commies.
mircea_popescu: im sure one can buy an ak if one asks for it in romanian tho :D
mircea_popescu: cugir "sewing mahcine" factory turned out millions of em.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the civil militia project of selling as many as possible, once the jews ran out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Havent' looked much at how AK crippleware is done. AR becomes cripple ware because metal that should be missing is not
BingoBoingo: Well m16 is subtype of AR and I was thinking the "lower reciever" which is legally the gun and not the bolt
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On the bolt you can also notice difference aside from the one where the arrow points
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00065579 = 57.9718 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe it's just the way those pictures were taken but rotational differences in some of the bolt's cuts appear.
BingoBoingo: I imagine molokization refers to socially engineered time sink where thing works, obstacle, thing goes off the rails
BingoBoingo: Nebulous, but a time sink. One that delays implementation of thing that by all means seemed to work as advertised up until obstacle.
PeterL: From Trilema "Jobs Board" post: "You are expected to negotiate your own pay." << This is where I demand 1200 USD/mo for upkeeping scoopbot, right?
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 04:43:52; mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.
RagnarDanneskjol: my understanding is the first bot went down b/c my friend disi found a server vulnerability which I promptly brought to your attention (I originally recommended you NOT have moloko do admin / continued development b/c I knew he was not suited for it). I followed the recent convo here and lead me to understand the only issue with punkbot was the vps got flooded and shut down...that's punkman's understandi
PeterL: mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of codebases worth 5 bux." << These are things that the programmer should care about, because he will have to maintain the thing in the future.
RagnarDanneskjol: re molokization of deedbot v2.0 - no idea what you're talkin about? has nothing to do with me. also don't recall pestering anyone here ever..once in a blue moon I will ask questions in pm if I'm not authed/voiced.
mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of (codebases worth 5 bux)."
PeterL: goes along with point 2: things not stated are up to programmer
PeterL: or are you saying you care about readability of good (expensive) software?
assbot: So /Bitstamp is back. Looks like there's a familiar BTC price premium there as people dump their fiat.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with peripheral hairs, is what i'm saying. the idea is to not have hair in the core, on the liver, inside the lungs.
mircea_popescu: having the skin covered in hair seems evolutionarily beneficial.
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PeterL: for some value of "up" and some value of "trending"
BingoBoingo: Well, more level. Stamp has a premium though
PeterL: One thing I like about qntra is that, unlike lots of other news site, there are no auto-playing videos on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. bleh, stupid media sites
PeterL: heh, I think that is my first bashed line :)
PeterL: flash sucks, I seem to remember reading they are no longer supporting Linux platforms for thier new updates?
adlai imagines it's mutual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00065153 = 27.8855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36443 @ 0.00064428 = 23.4795 BTC [-] {2}