mircea_popescu: ding
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041299 o.O☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 11:11:30; fluffypony: "I think FriedCat is not a real name. Does anyone know about FriedCat's real identity ?"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041297 sad that it had to turn into http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 11:11:21; fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10633083#msg10633083
assbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ9zHy )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041314 << nice c man!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 12:30:34; cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/leaked-emails-detail-inner-workings-of-josh-garzas-scams/
mircea_popescu: "Garza deliberately mislead" << misled.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, fixed
mircea_popescu: so nice to see qntra redo the bitbet history with this gaw scam
mircea_popescu: back in 2012 all the rage were "bfl miners"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041360 << lawl!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 13:57:22; mod6: i've never seen this before.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041381 << sounds legit.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:04:18; jurov: so i propose to go on to .. release early, release often
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041397 <<< these homos...☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:19:27; jurov: i am just not placing any expectations to any piece of software anymore
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041403 << i guess i lose for being vague!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:26:17; Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041323 < thanks for the tip, I’ll set up a euro bank account when I’m in france this summer
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: you lose due to recency bias! I’ll extend the thanks to you regardless haha
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041414 << here's the long story : traditionally, "int" means a word, and word means a register size, which is machine dependent (was 8 bit, then 16, then 32 and now is 64). because historically the register was inconvenient for human use, the notion of "long int" was born, as a dword (two words) or qword (four). because historically the register was inconvenient for memor☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:34:51; PeterL: why in c is a long int the same size as int?
mircea_popescu: y usage, the notion of short int was created, sometimes as small as a byte (8 bits).
mircea_popescu: both of these are becoming obsolete as ram is cheap and 64 bits plentiful. so in the future, int will just mean "integer number" and that's that,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041474 hehehehehe☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:24:10; sjsqd: do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it?
mircea_popescu: yeah, inasmuch as gavin tiptoes around my lunch hour, i would propose they're painfully aware of it, yes.
mircea_popescu: dude it's so great to come to logs after a nice meal and find all sorts of gems like these.
mircea_popescu: i vote #b-a best afternoon show in town.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041509 << ironically enough, the client the OTHERS work on is different from bitcoin core.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:13; sjsqd: but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.042 = 1.68 BTC [+] {3}
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/socialism-saved-for-later-lolz/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 166 @ 0.012 = 1.992 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 346213 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 538 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47691297024.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.15687
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041515 << technically foundation wasn't born yet. so no, it's better custodianship of the bitcoin codebase than the fake foundation has been displaying.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:42; asciilifeform: sjsqd: starting point was phoundation's release circa 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 202 @ 0.012 = 2.424 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041549 << omfg the insanities☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:38:01; sjsqd: you basically earn based upon your proportion of page views
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041571 << https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:41:39; sjsqd: even with hundreds of thousands of page views I only ever made about 70 USD over 2-3 years
assbot: Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWOPLI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00037681 = 4.258 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what is that trilema address?
mircea_popescu: yea
BingoBoingo: !up ryan-c
ben_vulpes: ryan-c: do i know you?
ryan-c: ben_vulpes: I don't think so. I'm not Ryan X Charles.
BingoBoingo: That's always good to hear. The world needs less javascript.
ryan-c: lol
ben_vulpes: nah, another ryan c.
ryan-c: when all you have is a hammer...
ryan-c: ben_vulpes: https://keybase.io/ryanc is me
assbot: Ryan Castellucci (ryanc) | Keybase ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWTBcg )
BingoBoingo: You just end up poorly reimplementing Common Lisp or Ada
mircea_popescu: how many ryan-c are there ? :D
ryan-c: mircea_popescu: probably at least 50,000 in the US
mircea_popescu: thinking about it... yeah.
BingoBoingo: ryan-c: You know keyservers exist in a much more user friendly form than that abomination make by the okcupid people
ryan-c: BingoBoingo: My gpg keys are in pgp.mit.edu and sks-keyservers as well.
BingoBoingo: Ah
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i curious about the no-recourse mortgages as well. lender returns payment stream, keeps asset?
mircea_popescu: lender returns nothing at all.
ben_vulpes: so borrower defaults, lender gets house and payments.
ben_vulpes: oop! limited recourse i mean.
mircea_popescu: let's work a model. suppose i own 85`000 square footage of marble flooring, used for running a harem. suppose i come to the conclusion my harem doesn't attract good / numerous enough cuntage. suppose i decide this is because there's no belly dancing happening. suppose i go to a belly dancer in city and say, listen, i'll loan you 10k golden pistoons if you start a belly dancing school on my marlbe acreage.
mircea_popescu: this is the sort of thing. the professional has no interest in leaving their current place just because i want to relocate them, and the situation isn't feudal, where i just order them moved.
mircea_popescu: now, if the school goes well and makes money im getting my pistoons back.
mircea_popescu: if not, fuck me and my stupid "palace" with no running water up on a mountain in the desert.
mircea_popescu: belly dancer expert walks and i'm more than welcome to repay myself.
ben_vulpes: i think i get it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00038032 = 4.9822 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the idea being that contracts (of the old sort) are flexible and useful, just as long as the chumps grok that there is no such thing as "a standard contract".
mircea_popescu: and as to limited recourse, it can be limited whatever way. generally it is, "lend me this money to buy this house, i pay you so and so, and if i don't you keep the house."
mircea_popescu: which is the very definition of mortgage (a topic of not little historical interest, because it's one of the rare cases where we can observe biological evolution at work in what's supposed to be fleshless abstractions)
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of similarity between how prokaryotes ended up with mitochondria and how commerce ended up with the mortgage.
BingoBoingo: !up ryan-c
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
felipelalli: good night BingoBoingo!
BingoBoingo: later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.04499913 = 2.07 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: the first trade after that debacle is a buy?
mircea_popescu: !up dragosb
felipelalli: About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? I will be in debt or it shall be forgiven?
dragosb: Hello Mircea ! I read a article on your blog about How to be a good poker player, and I was pondering do you play on-line or live?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/aspiring-bitcoin-journalist-arrested-for-recruiting-for-isis/
mircea_popescu: dragosb i play very little these days. i mostly played live, and mostly pre-consumer internet.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, on that score : as mike_c correctly pointed out a week or so ago, headsup is actually a broken game now, courtesy of teh damned computers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: long story : traditionally, "int" means a word... << obtain, from purely historical interest, if you don't already own it, k&r 1st ed. good tour of the weirdo word (and byte!) sizes on the archs of the day. predecessor 'B' was 'typeless' (all things are machine-word width) and this was not uncommon then
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: kinda how a mpcomputer would work , for that matter.
mircea_popescu: wtf type bs.
mircea_popescu: just say how many lengths of chord you want to hang yourself with.
asciilifeform goes further than mircea_popescu, dispenses with 'machine word' concept. want bits, say how many.
asciilifeform: we know how to build serial ALUs.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's further than i'd go.
mircea_popescu: (nttawwi)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5480 @ 0.00038199 = 2.0933 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/chist.html << for classicists/aficionados only
assbot: Chistory ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlJcub )
mircea_popescu: o hey dmr
asciilifeform: of course, who else
asciilifeform isn't yet aware of any secondary/tertiary derpologists having suckerfished on to this subject - but who knows
asciilifeform: http://www.e-reading.link/bookreader.php/138815/Expert_C_Programming:_Deep_C_Secrets.pdf << l33t w4r3z. have this in dead tree, it's one of the most riotously entertaining books on any kind of programming whatsoever, imho
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlJDV8 )
thestringpuller: RIP dmr, mah nigga.
asciilifeform: i heartily recomment 'deep c' even to folks who despise c and hardly program at all in anything
thestringpuller: ada isn't so bad. dunno why people are complaining...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: folks are used to their sawed-off shotguns, balk at slightly heavier, longer 'thompson'
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You only say that becasue you are going through practice where Ruby forces still more bondage and discipline upon you
BingoBoingo kinda wants Mosin, has never lost to itself
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phact: to ru folks, 'sawed-off' - 'обрез' - means precisely a cut-off mosin
asciilifeform: rather than shotgun
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.nakop.ru/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=160390 << it
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlK1TK )
BingoBoingo: Mosin also at $150/piece also solves http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ for body/vehicle armor
assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlK5Tn )
asciilifeform: http://www.admemo.ru/arms-mosin-rifle/mosin-obrez.jpg << also it
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlKbdI )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What of the wrist of who fires that
asciilifeform: what of the ears
BingoBoingo: Ears are guarenteed to fail on a long enough timeline, visit nursing home if you have pretenses otherwise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, mosin is for some reason extremely common in usa
asciilifeform: like, 100 usd
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Isn't it beautiful?
asciilifeform: comes, iirc, in a gigantic block of 'cosmoline' but otherwise virginal
asciilifeform: complete with trihedral bayonet
BingoBoingo: The best deer rifle in history is the cheapest.
asciilifeform: you'll be using ancient ru corrosive primers though.
asciilifeform: and no chrome
asciilifeform: hope you like scrubbing
BingoBoingo: Bolt action so cleaning... More popular "deer" rifle is sks, still corrosive primers, much less range, still moar cleaning
asciilifeform: 'sks' iirc takes modern (7,62x39) rounds
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not so sure it does, no.
mircea_popescu: i doubt mosin pierces kevlar.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes sks, you also get diminished charge behind bullet for no less cleaning
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: full-sized rifle cartridge, one of the 'hottest' still made (7,62x54r)
mircea_popescu: even so.
asciilifeform: (mosin, that is)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Equivalent to US .30-06 caliber. Beats any man wearable armour
mircea_popescu: is it ?
BingoBoingo: yes
asciilifeform: bad formulation
mircea_popescu defers.
asciilifeform: all depends on range, angle of impact
asciilifeform: basics here
mircea_popescu: in any case im notsure you'd want a plain bolt action for that purpose.
mircea_popescu: more like a "tough as nails, swiss made SKS". like the mac10 maybe.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, not for the whole club, but if you have people designated to hit marks at a distance...
mircea_popescu: ...then they' dwant a modern sniper rifle.
mircea_popescu has never actually seen a mosin used in practice. ever. anywhere.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mac10's caliber is recognized now as sub pistol, .380 ACP isn't beating a single sheet of kevlar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: largely a third-world (afghanistan, africa) item currently, afaik
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's all in the filling. they make dup double strength cartridges now.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: moder sniper rifle has bullets of similar power to mosin, simply smaller case
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, much better barrel. accuracy is a thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but at the point barrels make a difference operator makes a far greater difference
mircea_popescu: by the time you're shooting policemen you're not going to save on the rifle. those suckers cost thje enemy like 1.5-3 mn a pop.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a beautiful treatise, 'art of the sniper' ('искусство снайпера') - ru of course - highly recommended if aficionado or even mild interest in the history. describes precisely what modern designers changed
asciilifeform: (by one potapov)
mircea_popescu: you know i suspect potapov is like the ru mil pythagoras.
mircea_popescu: everything seems to be written by one potapov
asciilifeform: yer thinking bourbaki mebbe
BingoBoingo: USia claimed its own for a bt in the Hathcock guy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same idea.
asciilifeform: aha
BingoBoingo: Hathcock's narrative though included using light machine guns as bolt action rifle because US lacked adequate sniper rifle for 'Nam
asciilifeform: americans took the whole 'golden sniper toilet' thing almost to logical conclusion, with microprocessorized wind&elevation calculators, bullets turned on lathes (!), etc
asciilifeform: ru school of thought took, unsurprisingly, opposite tack
asciilifeform: (simple weapons, but highly skilled professionals)
asciilifeform is an armchair general and recommends that aficionados seek out the primary sources.
BingoBoingo: USia's hotness this past decade has been taking M-14's and converting to "designated marksmen rifles"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00038309 = 3.4287 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: M-14's original service life of course having been... lacking
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: correct if i've my dod-speak mixed up, but 'designated marksman' is not a sniper - he engages only within visual contact distance
asciilifeform: (naked eye)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes. His range extends to visual past what assualt rifle can not reliably hit fatally, but still visual
asciilifeform: the term, iirc, refers to the one man in a platoon who was actually taught any marksmanship and is expected to aim
asciilifeform: the rest 'hosedown'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Russian equivalent for role is Dragunov
BingoBoingo: tool, not person
asciilifeform: by some accounts, ^ has a barrel resource of 800 (!) rounds
asciilifeform: enlarged ak-like thing that takes mosin rounds
BingoBoingo: Basic requirements for such tool are full power rifle round and semi auto action
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_Sniper_Rifle
assbot: Dragunov sniper rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlMcXo )
BingoBoingo: In contemporary USian deployments designated marksmen carries M-14 with a plastic stock and has specialization like the machine gunner
BingoBoingo: Mosin's great virtue for USian civilian is that it costs roughly 1/10th anything equivalent from domestic manufacterer
asciilifeform: does any u.s. arms co. even offer anything without plastic, aluminum, or worse ?
asciilifeform: as in, anywhere in the thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure for 4 digit numer of USD
asciilifeform: probably 5
asciilifeform: (iirc all the m-whatever things are Al but for the barrel)
BingoBoingo: Nah, 5 exists, 4 though is the sweet spot.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with al.
mircea_popescu: properly alloyed it does beat steel.
asciilifeform: iirc we had the 'can you club with it' thread
BingoBoingo: ;;google M1A
gribble: M1A™ Tactical Rifle | Top Semi Automatic Firearms | Buy M1A: <http://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series/>; M1A rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A_rifle>; M1A for Sale - Buy Springfield M1A Rifle Online at GunBroker.com: <http://www.gunbroker.com/M1A/Browse.aspx?Keywords=M1A>
BingoBoingo: ^ civilian version of M-14 conversion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 400 @ 0.0045519 = 1.8208 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform struggles to recall the traditional term for the kind of technowankery where folks buy 'pro' tools without any place to use or relevant skill
asciilifeform: 'prosumer' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes. For me it was called "Freshman Year"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00038309 = 5.5357 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'According to neighbors and a man who hired the teen to write for his Web site, the Osbourn Park student was quiet in person but exceptionally intelligent — authoring articles on complicated science and technology topics.' (wa. p.) << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: if this is 'intelligent', what's retardation look like ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/scott-fargo/ << Actual retardation from a subhuman creature that pretends to the title of mammal
assbot: Scott Fargo, Author at CryptoCoinsNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlOJAF )
asciilifeform: http://time.com/3732867/etsy-files-for-handcrafted-ipo << another l0l
assbot: Etsy Files for Handcrafted IPO - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlOLIV )
asciilifeform: handcrafted! (tm)
asciilifeform: 'A few years ago, Etsy lifted some of its stricter sales requirements, including a ban on sellers using certain manufacturing techniques and hiring staff...'
asciilifeform: woodcollector!
decimation: re: no recourse mortgages < banks hate these, but you can get them
decimation: one semi-popular scam to run in the us is to buy a house with your "IRA"
asciilifeform: decimation: presumably for considerably higher upfront cost
decimation: aye
asciilifeform: or who the hell would get the other kind
decimation: well, functionally in the us nearly all mortgages are 30 year fixed loans
decimation: who nobody purchases except for usg
decimation: it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly
BingoBoingo: If fiat world could have played nicely, I'd happily be retired in a condo in an "interesting" neighborhood by now, but...
decimation: at any rate, you can purchase a house with your retirement account, and a no-recourse mortgage is used for that
decimation: the irs says you can't live in it until you retire, but you can rent it out
BingoBoingo: !up jitenm
decimation: there's a small cottage industry > http://www.iralending.com/
assbot: Self Directed IRA Non-Recourse Loans: Contact NASB Today! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlP4Ua )
BingoBoingo: Hello jitenm
jitenm: howdy folkses
BingoBoingo: Not bad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 250 @ 0.00463785 = 1.1595 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/573324531525287937
assbot: /Radomysisky /3DPConfidential The guy likened you to a rapist simply because you speak with passion on the topic of politics and technology.
mircea_popescu: !up Liberza
Liberza: !down syndrome
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who is 3DPConfidential ?
asciilifeform: and who is Radomysisky
mircea_popescu: <decimation> it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly <<< quite.
mircea_popescu: !up HubertCumberdale
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have no Idea
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: isn't cody wilson the guy with that blog, what was it called
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com cody wilson
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '3d printed gun' fella
mircea_popescu: oh oh
asciilifeform: who the others are - no idea
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net cody wilson
gribble: Cody Wilson: "The Bitcoin Community Has Sold Out" | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/cody-wilson-the-bitcoin-community-has-sold-out/>; Stripe Breaks Up With Cody Wilson | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/stripe-breaks-up-with-cody-wilson/>; Cody R Wilson Announces Candidacy for Vessenes' Bitcoin ...: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/cody-r-wilson-announces-candidacy-for-vessenes- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: '...We have plenty of assassination markets now...' << lol, he said this?!
asciilifeform: does 'market' mean something other than it did when i learned engl.?
asciilifeform: i.e., it no longer means 'where you go to trade money for $goodies' but just 'place you go to dump excess money'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Market means the same. At best I assume Cody is an agent...
mircea_popescu: lol bitcoin community has sold out.
mircea_popescu: whai such much lulz everywhere today!
asciilifeform: agent must have a purpose
asciilifeform: what kind of 'sin' is he meant to tempt 'sinners' into?
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect is is merely a broad net to collect information on malcontents
mircea_popescu: not every derpage's agency.
asciilifeform: one could make two or three mental leaps and suppose that his work is for getting ammo banned by usg quicker
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe not, but having your product obstructed by every domestic shipping company... maybe?
asciilifeform: or at the very least, to provide the justification-furniture when the bans are rolled out
BingoBoingo: Indicator, maybe not a perfect one
mircea_popescu: tbh, that is the only logical end game : US of Best Korea, where everything is banned not because they can't afford anything, but for Ideological Reasons. Honest.
mircea_popescu: i used to know poor people like that. all the things they couldn't afford, they didn't do not because they couldn't afford them
mircea_popescu: but for Other Reasons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we already have this. in slow motion
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeh
Liberza: so, asicminer is dead because friedcat has been kidnapped by mongolians.
Liberza: interesting
mircea_popescu: so basically... either water the plantville farm all day, or else go talk to tlp's intensive pilling unit, or worse!
mircea_popescu: Liberza is this cnn ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes: incidentally, bullet would be a perfect 'killer app' for electrolytic machining. low mass, touchy geometry
mircea_popescu: this is a good point.
mircea_popescu: also perfectly metallic.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: yeah, this is happening.
asciilifeform: ditto shell
mircea_popescu: yup
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only if electrolytic machining apparatus is refined. Otherwise plastermolds
mircea_popescu: mebbe electrolytic finishing.
mircea_popescu: have them machined grossly then electrofined.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this needs only the most trivial form of electrolytic machining - with ready-made cavity
Vexual: build the spin in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have them machined grossly then electrofined << nonono - whole point is to make'em in a cup in kitchen, jungle conditions
asciilifeform: the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk'
mircea_popescu: does this cup mine copper ?
asciilifeform: copper can be had virtually anywhere short of antarctica
asciilifeform: in one form or another
mircea_popescu: can be had, how ?
mircea_popescu: as bars ? why not be had as "X profile"
mircea_popescu: where X is gross machined bullet.
asciilifeform: as pipes
mircea_popescu: oh i c what you mean.
asciilifeform: a metre of pipe - 500 rounds
mircea_popescu: lol alf's crazy gnome lab. "insert pipe here, piss in this funnel and point this end towards enemy".
Vexual: yeah and he claims hes not a hipster
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, you ever seen la zizanie ?
asciilifeform: nein
mircea_popescu: excellent antique french movie.
mircea_popescu: listen, do this : pirate it, sit the girl down one fine evening after a delicious repast, watch this thing.
mircea_popescu: guaranteed entertainment .
asciilifeform found, puts on list
asciilifeform: definitely relevant
mircea_popescu: if there's a way to show the cultural superiority of the 4th republic, this film in this context is it.
asciilifeform: briefly back to the bullet thread: the most interesting thing about the suggested method is that any material can be used, so long as it conducts and behaves reasonably well as aqueous ion
asciilifeform: even, e.g., tungsten
asciilifeform: whatever's at hand
mircea_popescu: depleted uranium!
mircea_popescu: best fucking bullets, srsly. no one lives.
asciilifeform: if that's what's in your cellar - then yes
mircea_popescu: metallic arsenic bullets. an assassin's dream come true
asciilifeform: (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard)
asciilifeform: keels, aileron counterweights
mircea_popescu: for that matter : sodium bullets encased in very thin metal : just thick enough to carry it through the air. once it fractures on impact, sodium released.
asciilifeform: the 'glass bullet' is as nearly as old as the detective story genre.
mircea_popescu: aye
BingoBoingo: Rubidium
asciilifeform: (not much seen in reality, due to shockwaves, but doesn't keep aficionados from trying)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform such trials particularly suited to electroprocess.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: breathe new life into an entire literary field!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard) << Anyone in Iowa has too much
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would need a sabot
asciilifeform: then will work.
asciilifeform: bonus points for the bullet exercise if you can dispense with the 'mold' entirely and form the conical part purely with field gradient in the bath
asciilifeform: out of ordinary rod stock
asciilifeform: sorta a 'solid state electric lathe.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got a link to where you go "omg wtf bbq am i the only one trying to run these shitstacks"
mircea_popescu: in teh logs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-03-2015#1040458 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 04:11:00; assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
asciilifeform: ^ most recently
mircea_popescu: ty
mircea_popescu: i'm making a sjsqd megapiece, it's great that convo.
asciilifeform: to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious
asciilifeform: because much simpler even than what they do
asciilifeform: no need for computer, even.
asciilifeform: '3d printer', for those unfamiliar, is a very costly item. i don't even keep one here, can't justify
decimation: re: wilson < it strikes me that he's just trying to get publicity
asciilifeform: the ultimate publicity is when your shit - works
decimation: he recently posted that fedex banned shipping his 3d milling machines
decimation: obviously, he's selling them as 'death in a box'
decimation: instead of '3d milling machine'
asciilifeform: fedex is, afaik, free to boycott whoever
asciilifeform: it isn't the national post
decimation: sure. and whoever is free to make a press release about it
decimation: so I don't think he's serious. although the idea of milling your own 'm-4gery' out of an '80%' receiver is a neat one
asciilifeform: decimation: it's sop among u.s. small arms aficionados
asciilifeform: decimation: they have this ancient law, where that one part is the only thing that 'counts' as a limited item, and the rest of the weapon can be bought with cash in a shop or even outdoor market
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, you can even buy the parts to turn your milled receiver into a pistol http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/pistols.asp
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decimation: as fucktarded as that is
asciilifeform: see the 'saw-off' mosin earlier in thread
asciilifeform: poor ears
decimation: asciilifeform: one thing that bewilders me is why suppressors and subsonic ammo is not popular in the us
decimation: I guess going deaf at the range is an implied rite of manhood
asciilifeform: decimation: this might have to do with the fact that much of what u.s. folks take to the shooting galleries seems to exist for little purpose but to make an impressive 'bang'
asciilifeform: so the suppressors (sop in eu) were banned as something only a 'shady crook' would use
decimation: you can buy them in the us, if they are legal in your state and you submit many forms to usg
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asciilifeform: iirc they're limited to public servants or folks willing to license themselves as 'museums' (complete with fingerprinting, letters of recommendation from mayor, surprise inspections, ... etc)
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decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure what you agree to when you buy one but you definitely need a note from stalin
decimation: I suspect the real reason that usg makes it difficult is because a suppressed small arm has real utility against usg
asciilifeform: how?
mircea_popescu: rather than franceg, say ?
decimation: asciilifeform: the relatively silent firearm can be used to ambush and retreat?
decimation: mircea_popescu: didn't you make the point about how the guns we are allowed to keep are of little threat to usg anyway?
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mircea_popescu: decimation ambush like whom ?
decimation: well, I'm thinking of a more military scenario
asciilifeform is an armchair general only, but doesn't see the military advantage of usg against subjects as consisting solely or even largely of superior small arms. what, rebel army won't break the law against modifying trigger of semi weapons to auto? rather, advantage of usg is same as in the time of hammurabi - soldiers are fed by the palace so they needn't 'waste' time on honest work; are resupplied so they needn't look for what
decimation: asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all
asciilifeform: or whatever $machine
decimation: asciilifeform: but I agree with your point. ultimately any resistance to usg is going to be economic
asciilifeform: picture if usg tomorrow said 'we don't care, go buy a cannon if you want, like it's 1780 again'
asciilifeform: how many will buy?
asciilifeform: usg still controls, de-facto, the factory, and can thus set price
decimation: particularly, as you have pointed out, the ammo factory
asciilifeform: by the time you have a desire to buy the cannon instead of 'toyota' - it's generally too late
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 << relevant thread☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
decimation: asciilifeform: pounding a wedge between usg and its ability print bezzlars is the proper route of resistance
decimation: that, and finding a way to mill bullets at home :)
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decimation: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102477304 < "When it comes to price growth, however, New York topped the list for prime property worldwide, according to Knight Frank. Prices jumped 18 percent in New York in 2014. Aspen, Colorado, ranked second, with prices up 16 percent."
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhG2qo )
decimation: and the fed is worried about how inflation is too low
mircea_popescu: decimation i had made that point, yes, but the counterpositive is not necessarily true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the price thing is amusingly at work in all sorts of ATF stuff.
mircea_popescu: tons of things "legal if you have a license we aren't issuing because we're at liberty to do this."
decimation: some rich 'collectors' in the us obtain the proper notes to get fully automatic machine guns
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decimation: 50 cal rounds go for like $5
decimation: as you can imagine, only the rich can have such a hobby
mircea_popescu: well, it's not rich per se.
mircea_popescu: only dependants.
mircea_popescu: the buffett-rich, the people who are not merely willing to go on the record stating "i am representative of richness, i couldn't exist outside of usg, therefore usg is EVERYTHING", but actually believe it.
mircea_popescu: lemme dig up relevant quote.
decimation: didn't Carnegie, Rockefeller, et. al. bail out us banks from their personal accounts?
mircea_popescu: "accounts'
mircea_popescu: the j p morgan bailout was essentially a "everyone come to my house!" and then "you will do like so because i say so"
decimation: yeah exactly
decimation: and crassus was said to have wealth equal to the treasury
decimation: now that's 'rich'
mircea_popescu: uh, treasury was never that rich.
asciilifeform: a case like these is simply historians misidentifying who is actually the fella wearing the crown
mircea_popescu: to properly grok how rich the triumvir was : he could afford to pay for ~18 million usians to go fight for tikrit.
asciilifeform: (whether by malfeasance or otherwise)
mircea_popescu: the cost for the 20 measly thousand the dod scrounged together (and who faced exactly the fate of crassus' host) was > 1bn
mircea_popescu: know many dudes with 1trn in loose change knocking around ?
decimation: yeah exactly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was one of the three, nothing is misidentified is it.
decimation: I assume he meant jp morgan
asciilifeform: thiking more of ^
asciilifeform: *thinking
mircea_popescu: oh. well, no. he wore the banking crown, nobody disputed that, and for good reason.
mircea_popescu: but division of labour eh ?
decimation: well, morgan and his other monopoly friends thought they could 'endow' their bailout wealth to usg via the federal reserve
mircea_popescu: a crown in the traditional sense is a very primitive instrument, because it purports (necessarily, but ineffectually) to hold ALL sovereignty. now the poor bearer's stuck deciding how fires are to be put out, how wives are to be kept, etc.
decimation: that didn't work out very well
mircea_popescu: decimation this is entirely counterfactual nonsense that never happened.
mircea_popescu: an' generally, i'd be wary of trusting the current retards' retelling of century old banking history.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they're too stupid to understand it, for another they don't speak the language, for the third they imagine they have political judgements to make.
decimation: did morgan et al not meet on jekyll island to institute the fed?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dunno where that wb quote is, somewhere in his 70s brk letters. all poetic about how great paying taxes is because hey, being rich's unfair.
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik he wasn't there.
mircea_popescu: he died iether before or soon after, and had for a while retired.
asciilifeform has buffett 'symlinked' mentally with armand hammer. and wonders if there is any logical reason for this
decimation: nevertheless, I take your point that the study of this history is worthwhile
BingoBoingo: decimation: Crassus was the Fire department
mircea_popescu: decimation in particular, the us fed was an attempt to copy germany, at the time extremely effectual.
decimation: although I don't know how one could find a history that isn't wrapped in progressive bullshit
mircea_popescu: it's easy to recast today as some sort of nefariousness, but if regarded properly rather than anchronistically it's just exactly the same as imperial russians trying to copy prussia.
mircea_popescu: at the time, in fact, the us and russia had a shitload in common : inept peripheral immense landmasses.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same problems, the same solutions, the same obsession of women with french and men with german shit and so on.
mircea_popescu: nobody has made a "Russia and the US in the 1800s : A Tale Of Twin Sisters" monograph to date
asciilifeform: aaactually
mircea_popescu: this merely speaks to the poor quality of english "historians". where's the new york gibbon ?
asciilifeform: plenty of (otherwise uninteresting, believe) sov. tracts re: analogy b/w us slavery & ru serf-keeping
asciilifeform: and the decline of each
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russian side is a little better represented, but not much.
decimation: the historians who would be worth a shit are probably busy trying to keep their house and eat
mircea_popescu: so did gibbon.
mircea_popescu: he ALSO did the rise and fall.
BingoBoingo maybe surprisingly would still be willing to carry a rifle to tikrit in USia's name. Just since USia didn't accept my flirtations last time if they take me this time I want to pick the rifle.
mircea_popescu: life's what happens while people had other plans, an' posteriority remembers what you did BESIDES paying the bills.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i checked usg will enlist just about anyone under fifty or so
BingoBoingo: Sand niggers are still a species of nigger
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They spotted me the last time with a specific mental defect they refuse to abide
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the private sector ?
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: (i.e. the twenty thousand)
mircea_popescu: you can probably make decent loot with the various brackwaters.
asciilifeform: though last i heard they're pretty well staffed and get picky
asciilifeform: (preferring folks schooled in the normal army for a tour or three)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fucking local mall turned me down last X-mas season. Not any specific vendor, but all of them.
BingoBoingo: I've a cousin who did some bracjwasser stuff
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027314 / 0.000301 (17082 shares, 4.67 BTC), 30D: 0.00021897 / 0.0002619 / 0.000301 (62444 shares, 16.35 BTC)
BingoBoingo: Was bored, but at least he wasn't on a boat which was his greatest fear as a marine
mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035809 / 0.00038073 / 0.00040007 (2565886 shares, 976.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00033798 / 0.00039508 / 0.00044462 (26732598 shares, 10,561.55 BTC), 30D: 0.00033798 / 0.00040005 / 0.00048515 (88726595 shares, 35,495.37 BTC)
mircea_popescu: howly shit this is actually possibru o.O
mircea_popescu: god dangit.
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 271.59, 24 hour volume: 67948.14967978, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra shares face scarcity necessarily
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah but still.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Over time total new s.qntr per month is on a downward trend becasuse refinement
BingoBoingo: Each scam is only worth so many textual bullets
mircea_popescu: yep.
mircea_popescu: not a bad thing that, anywya.
mircea_popescu: more words < better words.
BingoBoingo: And if it wasn't for Moxenslit I wouls have been 1400 less words last month, but eulogy
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But if brackwasser wants my hands they cn knock on my door as the FBI and Treasury department did.
BingoBoingo: Maybe they can actually hold together ling enough to submit a bid.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, right after i get conscripted to nsa sharashka
asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes - to the ministry of wunderwaffen rocketeers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your plague is high standards. So long as their only demand is I shoot brown people, then I and them will be fine.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I am way too drunk atm for PM's
mircea_popescu: Vexual you know, iranians are white.
mircea_popescu: and the chicks are pretty.
asciilifeform: ^
BingoBoingo: Iranians could totally get the dick.
mircea_popescu: i think they stole more circassians than the dutch stole africans.
mircea_popescu: were at it for far longer, that's for sure.
asciilifeform refrains from going into deep tangent re: how iran may well have joined euro camp rather than descending into strange if it hadn't been spat upon as 'eastern monkeys' when tried
BingoBoingo: As a USian I have to assume ISIS must be bad, and therefore Obumer sucks for not letting me take potshots at them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Iran has always been more ready then the turks
asciilifeform: see, for instance, the story regarding the composition of their not-quite-national-anthem 'ey iran' - sorta their equiv. of 'america the beautiful'
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought iran went apeshit because of the british and us meddling
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: i was nearly disowned from marching band at one time for insisting on continuance to Star Spangled Banner's 3rd verse
decimation: BingoBoingo: should have sang the 'La Marseillaise'
BingoBoingo: decimation: I am not of Jurov's interface preferences
asciilifeform: lol
cazalla: damn, you piss heads are tempting me to drink now
asciilifeform: would american schoolboys even recognize it ?
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BingoBoingo: Seriouly though if USia offered me a mosin in exchange for 45 minutes at the ISIS border bleaching browns... I'd take that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They would not
decimation: BingoBoingo: this is roughly why usg is still in business
decimation: rivers of meat are still ready to serve
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo dreamt all his life of an infantry career? mud, guts, the works ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They would recognize te sovient national anthem though given a picture of sean connery
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041914 << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:37:51; danielpbarron: yeah, prepare to be hated and banned
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And yet it was my temporal lobes that betrayed me
mircea_popescu: anyway, this ssd kid is abso-fucking-lutely endearing.
mircea_popescu: anyone even know who he is ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever?
mircea_popescu: well join/part spam, yeah
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: best I can tell they were anb honest n00b
mircea_popescu: but that gets undone on a "hey, i fixed it!"
asciilifeform: peculiarly radiation-damaged n00b
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pity they never reg'd now it'll be damned hard to make the link.
asciilifeform: too many limbs of one type, too few - of other, wrong directions attached
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i read almost the whole thing, i fail to see anything to indicate anything wrong with him.
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: is still welcome to my ear. Maybe I misse dsome other subject
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell sjsqd You are a crisis nao
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nothing malicious about the poor bugger, just the fact of having all of the traditional misconceptions ('i'll use my phone', 'let's try the Cloud', etc.)
mircea_popescu: kinda funny, yeah.
decimation: asciilifeform: how did you find that 'new lamer' guy? incoming links?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That, plus their poor timing
asciilifeform: decimation: machine logs
mircea_popescu: but children are born thus. the infrastructure if you wish. the pulmonary shunt.
mircea_popescu: it serves a purpose
BingoBoingo: Last year...
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decimation: asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat
cazalla: BingoBoingo, what ya drinking, vodka?
mircea_popescu: aww and all the hate he's getting.
mircea_popescu: mats whay so mean dood!
BingoBoingo: decimation: The solution is not shooting him yet, but giving him a historical cadaver to explore
asciilifeform: dubai (his claimed home) is an interesting place. haven't had to go there myself yet, but have a friend who regularly visits. has stories
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point in the 90s knew a whole bunch of chicks who technically lived there
mircea_popescu: came back home "to study" 9 months in the year, hung out with husband over summer.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yes. Not vodka really. Just plain grain alcohol... and time... and dreams... of USia giving me brown people as a target...
cazalla: BingoBoingo, believe it or not, i've yet to imbibe this month but you're encouraging.. so
decimation: the arabs import everything, food, women, work
asciilifeform: the one thing i've always wondered about dubai is what the owners actually -do- (vs have others do)
asciilifeform: but iirc the prophet never forbade coke
decimation: asciilifeform: if they are gentlemen scholars they don't seem to publish in english
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they're very insecure people, spend a lot of time wondering.
BingoBoingo: http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/294758231.html
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041934 o.O didn't know petey's fluent in russians.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:43:17; pete_dushenski: now that it's a bit quieter in here: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/04/kerckhoffs-history-and-principles-of-military-cryptography-translated-and-adnotated/
decimation: asciilifeform: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/emergencies/fire-in-a-dubai-building-disrupts-dubai-metro-operations-1.1216376
assbot: Fire in a Dubai building disrupts Dubai Metro operations | GulfNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sg9Rh )
mircea_popescu: a nm, french version
decimation: asciilifeform: video of the fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9djyhXo_k50
assbot: Tallest Residential Building on Fire - Dubai - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sgvax )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041954 << aaaaahahahahaha☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:53:30; assbot: I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T
mircea_popescu: holy shit who does these things
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042688 << i meant banned from whatever venues he came from if he starts writing about b-a☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 05:30:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041914 << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041957 << there's http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ but otherwise the idea is for wikis etc to be community maintained.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:56:49; PeterL: does Eulora have an official website?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18SgCTx )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh. yeah, i guess so.
mircea_popescu: artifexd ^ i would hope you won't have that problem ? :D
asciilifeform mumbles something regarding nonexistence of kitchens with single cockroaches
BingoBoingo wonders why USG won't consider cost effective ISIS solutions
asciilifeform: ^ subject to the standard 'unexpected hanging theorem' disclaimer
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041988 << quite.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 20:11:02; asciilifeform: PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts
danielpbarron: the reason i didn't clarify at the time was that i kinda hope he does go and write a LTBarticle about this place and get himself banned from "the community"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i think it's at breaking point, that "community"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: That is neither a problem nor a lack therof
danielpbarron: right
mircea_popescu: treason's only a hanging offence originally. soon enough...
danielpbarron: it would be good for him to get ejected from their midst
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: So your disagreement relatred ratings
mircea_popescu: i kinda expect ejection in droves during the year.
danielpbarron: don't take my word for it, sort of thing
asciilifeform: it's at breaking point << it's been carrying on a happy 'life' of the undead zombie for quite some time, rotting, culturing maggots & worms, throwing chunks of flesh at bystanders
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notrly, no.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Contrast the case of 'Rozal'
danielpbarron: i gave rozal -10 for being a self described liar, and some others got a -1 or -2 for striking me as sketchy..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's alive for the purpose of usg stooges being able to 'talk about bitcoin' without mentioning #b-a ever
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1042001 << such lovely, srsly.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 20:13:24; asciilifeform: there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you
decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/how-a-25-year-old-investor-spurred-lumber-liquidators-plunge < apparently the new investing hotness is to short a company and then throw it into the usg woodchipper
assbot: How a 25-Year-Old Sparked Lumber Liquidators’ Stock Plunge - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/18l0LLQ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's 100% free online, too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your view of what is after all a natural process is too informed by categorical logic.
asciilifeform: (common lisp has a standard-cum-rationale and it isn't quite as deliciously readable)
mircea_popescu: real objects can of course never be categorically anything.
asciilifeform: but similar
asciilifeform: too informed by categorical logic... real objects can of course never be categorically anything << guilty. professional disease.
mircea_popescu: nttawwi.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You initially gave him a small negative rating out of dislike and it was described as such. I hung him for fabricating allegations of theft.
danielpbarron: what is the point of -10 if not for also having access to the other integers between it and 0
asciilifeform: am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit 2k lines that aren't your own are hard as fucking coffin nails
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: For the dark mark. He got -10 for most grevious crime
asciilifeform: *what they wish us to believe they are
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. wot is "level of confidence i have a complete picture of this person"
BingoBoingo: ;;rated Rozal
gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.
mircea_popescu insists on http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18l11un )
asciilifeform: ^^ aha that one
mircea_popescu: uh. speaking of which... anyone could explain wtf https://www.pinterest.com/ethanrana/httptrilemacom2014what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works/ is ?!
assbot: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ on Pinterest | 100 Pins ... ( http://bit.ly/18l12yp )
asciilifeform: spamatron
mircea_popescu: but... why an url ?!
asciilifeform: 'seo'
asciilifeform: particularly in the case of certain demented browsers that pipe url bar contents into search engine under certain conditions
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider - how did you even discover that page
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1042034 hawahahahahaha☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 21:15:54; bitstein: This is pretty lulzy: https://github.com/jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had no idea trilema is THAT googled.
asciilifeform: eth-neg << do you wonder why it was disclosed for bounty? rather than being used to shoot the thing in the head
asciilifeform: as it quite certainly could have been
mircea_popescu: because the thing is worthless ?
asciilifeform: (my hypothesis, simple: because eth. isn't alive and cannot be killed by shooting in the head. like 'redphone' and 'silent circle')
asciilifeform: 1000 'fatal' bugs will be found, if it carries on long enough, and will make no difference.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-sjsqd-walks-into-a-pub/
artifexd: gossipd status: http://i.minus.com/ibaDjk7AeIcvxv.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18SjtM5 )
BingoBoingo: PeterL I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking. << And this is how the world ends. Not with a whimper, but with a 7.62x54R bang
asciilifeform thought it ends with the 'schpokk' of nailgun
mircea_popescu: artifexd lolk took 3 passes but bwahahaha
artifexd: I'm pretty heads down on it so 1) I am falling very behind on logs and 2) I'm not hanging out in here
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
artifexd: But, I do get pinged if my name shows up and I don't want y'all to think it has been forgotten.
mircea_popescu: got pinged because of the go http debacle
mircea_popescu: two lines up from where you were pinged
asciilifeform: not that widget, as specced, uses http/s for anything
artifexd: While interesting, that doesn't affect gossipd because I'm using lower level networking.
asciilifeform: but it is precisely the kind of thing one gets when using turdlangs
asciilifeform: esp. ones where 'omg111!!11 rich libraries, they do everything'
danielpbarron: Funny how not long it takes the Christian to start a holy war upon the poor Arab! << LOL, I honestly didn't even consider his ethnicity; I have a /stab alias for when people annoy me
mircea_popescu: i enjoy opportunities to poke at people
mircea_popescu: lol
artifexd: Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo farts
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Golang seems to have a lot of those holes
BingoBoingo adires tedu as guy aho makes bullshit mor menory safe, questions... the rest pf the corpus
decimation: asciilifeform: I assume you saw the sudden freakout over hilariously weak crypto implemented by spec in SSL?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00037132 = 3.7875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00037062 = 13.9538 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3058 @ 0.00037051 = 1.133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00037035 = 4.5553 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/04/kerckhoffs-history-and-principles-of-military-cryptography-translated-and-adnotated/#footnote_2_2919 << belive it or not that'd actually be ecdsa rather than simple transposition.
assbot: Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMWtU8 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7923 @ 0.00038223 = 3.0284 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00037275 = 5.7217 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00036892 = 4.0028 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/
assbot: Mexican Cartels Enslave Engineers to Build Radio Network | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoFXzD )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31726 @ 0.00038373 = 12.1742 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: http://metatalk.metafilter.com/23626/Sixteen-Years
assbot: Sixteen Years | MetaTalk ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoI5Yk )
punkman: when did they throw away the old cozy design...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00037403 = 2.0572 BTC [-]
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.63, Best ask: 272.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 272.7, 24 hour volume: 64140.20713433, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None
punkman: gribble doesn't like buttstamp anymore?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00038422 = 1.5369 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://www.digitalcurrencycouncil.com/uncategorized/join-us-on-march-8th-for-bitcoin-womens-day/
assbot: Join Us on March 8th for Bitcoin Women's Day - Digital Currency Council ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoJT3p )
punkman: lulz http://www.internationalwomensday.com/theme.asp
assbot: INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY 2015 Theme: Make It Happen ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoK7HN )
cazalla: punkman, i've made my contribution, have you? https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/573396933793857536
assbot: Bitcoin needs more women! To that end, women can earn their first 0.1 BTC right here! http://t.co/jkfTtJ6tS3 /hashtag/MakeItHappen?src=hash /hashtag/BitcoinWomensDay?src=hash
punkman: cazalla, I will contribute by only using purple sex toys on the girl
punkman: it's the color of equality
punkman: http://image.dhgate.com/albu_925764541_00/1.0x0.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoLFSm )
cazalla: that's a real thing lol?
punkman: scary looking bird http://bongashop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/bfe434d3359b3a2b8d266fbb8472c53a/A/N/ANPS14.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoMTgc )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00037403 = 8.3409 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla what's "women's day" got to do with "digital currency" w/e the shit that means.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6575 @ 0.00037706 = 2.4792 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, seems an opportunity for them to stick their dcc branded shit next to an even bigger shittier brand, that being international wimminz day
mircea_popescu: totally this is the way to success.
mircea_popescu: keep keeping the magic buttons next to other magic buttons so the magic keeps infusing from one to the other and multiplying and shit.
mircea_popescu: soon enough they'll have enough mana stored up to resurect zig ziggler
mircea_popescu: and bring about three apocalypses for the low low price of 19.95
mircea_popescu: but wait! there's more!
mircea_popescu: if you apocalypse now you also get this free set of dragonbane absolutely free!
mircea_popescu: (retail value of 49.95)
cazalla: that's some steak knife
mircea_popescu: PLUS! if you only use purple toys on the girl you get a bactericide cream for the vajayjay ABSOLUTELY FREE
mircea_popescu: "While Amin's articles, author profile at Coin Brief and twitter account have since been deleted, a copy of his author archive at Coin Brief remains available via Google cache and is mirrored here."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would people do this. doesn't it stand to reason it's interesting now ? why delete it ?
mircea_popescu: lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha
cazalla: i know eh, his site has been mentioned in the wapo, cnn.. and he goes and deletes it lol
cazalla: the guys content that is, not the site itself
mircea_popescu: weird.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since this is such a big deal (!?), anyone know of some of these isis reddit users ?
mircea_popescu: we could have a script to changetip them fiddy satoshi till the cows come home
mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ?
mircea_popescu: preferably using coinbase.
cazalla: nope, but i'd laugh if they began to include a QR code in their head chop videos
cazalla: donate x amount of BTC to see this guy go free by such and such date
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: they could have a "vote how the guy dies".
mircea_popescu: <10 btc, beheaded. < 100 btc, stabbed in esophagus. etc.
cazalla: perhaps a custom video for the largest changetipper
mircea_popescu: 100 btc guy goes free (o oops, a DIFFERENT group got him just as he was leaving our compound)
cazalla: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, the recently failed megaoffensive on tikrit produced from what i hear a good few thousands prisoners
mircea_popescu: no better time to turn usg agents into camwhores.
mircea_popescu: the eventual fate of everyone working for that thing anyway, why wait.
mircea_popescu: "pay $50 to watch pvt 1st class joshua cooper learn to give oral pleasure to Berg, the great dane"
cazalla: i believe the aussie pm send 300 soliders to join the fight these past few days
cazalla: sent*.. i'm not even drinking yet speak the engrish
cazalla: i'm not so sure the great dane shit would be that popular
mircea_popescu: well whatcha gonna do, gayness is not allowed i think ?
cazalla: i dunno, the egyptian pilot who got toasty'd was quite popular
fluffypony: [11:05:44] <+mircea_popescu>lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha <- lol, anyone know what the story is?
cazalla: 3D!
mircea_popescu: anyway, if isis had any sense they'd just steal the liveshow format. what's that thing called where they put x guys in a house ?
mircea_popescu: except do it right, give them knives.
cazalla: he change tipped an alleged isis twitter account fluffypony lol
mircea_popescu: fluffypony top story on qntra atm
fluffypony: hah hah
cazalla: mircea_popescu, big brother
fluffypony checks
mircea_popescu: cazalla tya that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if there's an official isis accounts list somewhere, i'm totally game to send them whatever 0.0050 cents or w/e changetip does.
cazalla: there probably is somewhere
cazalla: can't say i'm keen to be the first aussie bitcoiner nailed to the cross for simply mentioning bitcoin and ISIS in the same sentence though..
cazalla: the cops already shut down an arterial road a few suburbs over this afternoon because some guy dared shoot annoying birds with an air rifle
cazalla: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-close-roads-gunman-in-toorak-road-south-yarra-20150305-13wcev.html
assbot: Police close roads, gunman in Toorak Road, South Yarra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZQIU8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00037462 = 7.3238 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: the very idea that police may even close roads...
mircea_popescu: this is rebellion outright.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00037578 = 1.6346 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0003875 = 9.3388 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00036807 = 5.7643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00036786 = 4.9661 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up sjsqd
mircea_popescu: yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4362 BTC [+]
cazalla: sjsqd, ya back!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.04232399 = 1.2697 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 105 @ 0.012 = 1.26 BTC [+]
sjsqd: sorry afk have to visit family
mircea_popescu: o.O havelock returns ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00038874 = 4.5871 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: saw a few trades earlier
cazalla: !up sjsqd
cazalla: btw sjsqd, are you indian?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.0421 = 2.105 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Because it is endangered and endemic to the area, development projects have been restricted to preserve its habitat. For example, the Dickey-Lincoln dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on the upper Saint John River in 1974, was deauthorized by Congress in 1986 after years of study, because the dam would have flooded 88,000 acres (360 km2) of Maine forest and severely reduced the lousewort's habitat. Some
mircea_popescu: criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; Time magazine called the idea "downright silly" in 1977. While thought extinct at the time the dam was proposed, it was rediscovered in 1976 by C.D. Richards while doing surveys to determine the environmental impact of the dam.
mircea_popescu: epic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00036464 = 4.1751 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-03-2015#1042884 << they don't want your usary scrip, isiscoin uses PoAu☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 09:09:14; mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038482 = 1.7317 BTC [+]
chetty: http://www.coindesk.com/russian-politician-us-bitcoin-finance-terrorism/
assbot: Russian Lawmaker: Bitcoin is a CIA Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fd7rXE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00039692 = 5.5569 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16166 @ 0.00039865 = 6.4446 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00038238 = 4.2062 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00038032 = 2.4531 BTC [-]
punkman: mircea_popescu: criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; << who the fuck cares about the lousewort
punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00039941 = 1.6176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00038032 = 4.8871 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.04152686 = 2.7823 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: height=252240 vs height=199051 (usb3: height=234650)
[]bot: Bet placed: 15.19171 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 81.3105122 BTC. Current weight: 72,803.
danielpbarron: !up irdial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 73 @ 0.04116602 = 3.0051 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.012 = 1.08 BTC [+]
dignork: nice idea: https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/rate-limiting-anonymous-accounts/
assbot: rate-limiting anonymous accounts | discrete blogarithm ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPuaH5 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.04101 = 1.9275 BTC [-]
punkman: unload that AM1 while havelol is still up!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38294 @ 0.00039953 = 15.2996 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12356 @ 0.00040014 = 4.9441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00038279 = 5.0145 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 72 @ 0.04101 = 2.9527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00038654 = 2.9377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24420 @ 0.00037638 = 9.1912 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00036735 = 3.8204 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 250 @ 0.00463785 = 1.1595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.0003833 = 2.4915 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.02 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 82.3305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,680.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8132 @ 0.00039406 = 3.2045 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00039342 = 1.7901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20287 @ 0.00040088 = 8.1327 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14301 @ 0.00040213 = 5.7509 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00039095 = 1.2706 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00039295 = 4.5779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00039095 = 2.5998 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00039095 = 1.4876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00038571 = 3.2785 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> [05:31] mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever? << tiberius.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> [05:35] asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat << more like a spittoon
ben_vulpes: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/ << moar on google breaking the internet
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wJESSg )
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [05:53] am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ? << would this be the ancient "gpg wot" standard?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00038571 = 3.4907 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 83.3305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,525.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: yea. now we can associate bitcoin trades to a key to associate trust value.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by lobbes: http://qntra.net/2015/03/missouri-secretary-of-state-orders-slaughter-to-pay-civil-penalties/
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: o.O havelock returns ? << we are dealing with undead. it is to be expected...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00038571 = 6.1906 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... #b-a actually banned ever? << mr spam, mr moarspam, others
adlai: his name was robert paulsen
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: mr. moarspam?
thestringpuller: adlai: that part of the book/movie is creepy as fuck.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: forgot his nick already. something to do with plague, contagion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00038571 = 1.215 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !b 5
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0CE5XAG.txt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9975 @ 0.00038192 = 3.8097 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13645 @ 0.0003815 = 5.2056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6055 @ 0.00036844 = 2.2309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10431 @ 0.00036356 = 3.7923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13472 @ 0.00038708 = 5.2147 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/koR75BV.png << what a great typo
adlai: it ain't a cryptoparty if nobody's having fundation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00036751 = 6.5049 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7921 @ 0.00037571 = 2.976 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !up coalbe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00037611 = 6.7512 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: !rate coalbe 1 really bad puns
assbot: coalbe is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: coalbe!
ben_vulpes: !h
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coalbe: :shrug:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00039053 = 2.3237 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: !gettrust coalbe
assbot: Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user coalbe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/coalbe | http://w.b-a.link/user/coalbe
ben_vulpes: !rate coalbe 1 bad puns
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e5c6ca4dfbaf370b
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.coalbe.1:7963e8bebaef17f239758f67e4784ead88f565b669ba7319af114b55def5638b
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for coalbe with note: bad puns
ben_vulpes: !down coalbe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00040228 = 3.1177 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: now pm assbot thusly: /msg assbot !up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14394 @ 0.00040129 = 5.7762 BTC [-]
lobbes: !rate BingoBoingo 1 Helped me publish my first qntra article; all-around cool guy
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/20dfcdc3899a0cc0
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.BingoBoingo.1:dddea0c2eacbe967fa5d475c36c3906904f651d7d5baba3f4a06f5eefe7eefa
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
mike_c: looks like you are 1 character short.
mike_c: or a scamzor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14525 @ 0.00036342 = 5.2787 BTC [-] {2}
lobbes: mike_c: you have better eyes than I
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.04 = 1.04 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform replaced a ~15 year old fan
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you must take good care of your things
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: esp. since this was the master ups
asciilifeform: it was getting to the point that i could hear it in other rooms
asciilifeform: (it's a 'double-conversion' monster that runs inverter 100% of the time)
BingoBoingo: Oh, I though maybe this was the sort of fan you replace for insufficient adoration
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: this was the useful kind.
asciilifeform: that blows.
BingoBoingo: Sometimes other kinds blows as well.
asciilifeform: put a 'pabst' fluid bearing 80mm in there. golden toilet, should last.
cazalla: DigitalCurrency (@DCCCertified) favorited one of your Tweets! <<< bwahaha they don't even follow the links to see what it is, just fav away for tities lol
thestringpuller: cazalla: thousand fly eyes
cazalla: and fuck, i wish it was summer, first week of autumn and the mornings are already cold and dark
asciilifeform: (tip: if anyone else has a 'liebert' ups, and replacing fan, don't throw out old one. you will need to snip&solder the connector.)
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you have given me imagery of asciilifeform having a "posse". asciilifeform: "Why are you people following me?" Member of posse: "Oh, we're you're crew. We follow you everywhere."
kakobrekla: tip: if you need a quiet fan, get one 'be quiet' makes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21532 @ 0.0003621 = 7.7967 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: iirc, there's exactly one producer of fluid bearings, and everybody else gets them
asciilifeform: some ancient subdivision of sony, iirc
asciilifeform: (fluid bearings used in fans, that is)
kakobrekla: i dont know from the top of my head which one bq uses but i bought 50 high end fans a year+ ago and tested them all
kakobrekla: still got a crate of 'bad' ones.
asciilifeform: 50 of same airflow, measured ?
asciilifeform: because otherwise you're comparing bulldog and rhinoceros
kakobrekla: i was testing for low rpm quietness where noise from bearings is the problem, noting else
asciilifeform: or were you doing a cubometres/decibel thing
kakobrekla runs fans at 200rpm
BingoBoingo: Perfectly good occasions exist to compare bulldog and rhinoceros
kakobrekla: checked: "fluid-dynamic bearing with copper core (300.000 operating hours)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00038662 = 2.4744 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha, it
asciilifeform: circulating oil in manifold made from sintered cu
kakobrekla: yeah these are great.
asciilifeform: love'em, got at least 7 in just this room
kakobrekla: but then second problem is running them slow enough - which only bq did as far as my tests went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00038662 = 2.745 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can always solder a controller inline with the cord
kakobrekla: thats not the problem
kakobrekla: but the fans have a minimum speed at which they will actually turn
asciilifeform: aha
kakobrekla: pwm fans have this hardcoded so to speak
asciilifeform: you found ones where this was below 200 ?
asciilifeform: or rather, above
kakobrekla: most of them have min way above 200
kakobrekla: most common seems to be around 500 or 600 rpm
kakobrekla: some even higher.
kakobrekla: heres a few of the more interesting pwm ones; http://shrani.si/f/3M/2d/4N2Jzpz2/profiles.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUCaLP )
kakobrekla: you dont actually see noise here
kakobrekla: but the working curve
asciilifeform: 'power %' << duty cycle ?
kakobrekla: iirc that particular shot is pwm controlled
asciilifeform: incidentally, whatever happened to electrodynamic fans ?
asciilifeform: the kind without moving parts
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/3m/fc/18a8bPy7/1/noctua-nf-p12-both.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9MJKq )
kakobrekla: here is same fan pwm vs voltage
kakobrekla: pwm on right.
kakobrekla: but not the one i use.
asciilifeform: http://www.inventgeek.com/ionic-wind-pc-cooling << ancient article, re: make your own
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9MZci )
asciilifeform: doubles as air filter.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ^ definitely no bearing noise. no bearing, no motor...
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: i had one of such 'ionization' clean air gadgets running for some time some years ago
kakobrekla: it made the wall around it all back.
asciilifeform: when configured as 'air cleaner' they tend to piss out ozone
asciilifeform: and yes, make dust stick in random place
kakobrekla: yeah not cool at all.
asciilifeform: but in the shape pictured, the output mesh is grounded
asciilifeform has not tried the recipe, but invites anyone who has, to post.
asciilifeform: btw if the wall was black, it was working
kakobrekla: aha.
kakobrekla: still is black :D
asciilifeform: whole point of electrostatic cleaner is to make dust stick to things (in a well-constructed one, the 'thing' is the filter inside)
kakobrekla: but dunno how wanted ozone really is
asciilifeform: generally not very
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00038662 = 3.6729 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: at least ozone smells good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038886 = 1.7499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00039363 = 4.5661 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9662 @ 0.00039964 = 3.8613 BTC [+]
jurov: not very healthy for breathing
BingoBoingo: Well, not if you get to much. What harm can the occasional whiff of it do?
jurov: we were talking about kako's ozone generator
jurov: running (presumably) all day
jurov: http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html
assbot: Ozone Generators that are Sold as Air Cleaners | Indoor Air | US Environmental Protection Agency ... ( http://bit.ly/18mqbsC )
punkman: ozone helps kill odours, so "cleaner" air
jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess.
BingoBoingo: Ah
punkman: jurov, ah good to know
BingoBoingo: !up GrandHierophant
cazalla: !up sjsqd
GrandHierophant: !down
GrandHierophant: !down GrandHierophant
punkman: !up GrandHierophant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 3384 @ 0.012 = 40.608 BTC [+]
jurov: wtf GrandHierophant
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/14-bidders-34-bids-in-latest-usms-bitcoin-auction/
asciilifeform: cazalla: typo: ullbricht
GrandHierophant: what jurov
asciilifeform: ulbricht rather
cazalla: asciilifeform, it's early :\
asciilifeform: https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/03/02/the-jihadi-john-cover-story << mega-l0l
assbot: The Jihadi John Cover Story | emptywheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1aNPDsW )
asciilifeform: 'British intelligence sources are now claiming that the SIGINT hunt for Emwazi preceded the HUMINT one, and also claiming that a SIGINT clue — and the related SIGINT trail that clue uncovered — provided the breakthrough in IDing him. Which is almost certainly bullshit. But notable bullshit, for two reasons. First, because the current story — that the UK lost Emwazi — poses really big problems for the dragnet. Because i
asciilifeform: f someone like Emwazi, whom MI5 had been chasing for years, can simply disappear, only to reappear as the man beheading western journalists (though technically, the videos never show him doing so), then it suggests the entire dragnet is least effective when it is most needed. The Express’ ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor
asciilifeform: ding to the story getting told publicly).'
mike_c: i don't quite get this theory that they aren't actually selling the coins.
thestringpuller: RENT is goin hard. Biggest trade I've seen yet.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, others: http://www.governmentattic.org/14docs/USNORTHCOM-CONPLAN3502.pdf << gasenwagen
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1aNQqtK )
thestringpuller: mike_c: they don't sell coins. they make you think they are selling coins.
mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right?
asciilifeform: (^ very short letter, foia denial)
mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis.
thestringpuller: winning bidder says, "Oh i received coins." with gun at head in background from USG suit and tie
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: afaik the only source of this hypothesis is mircea_popescu, who presumably has a clue, but understandably won't reveal source of said clue
thestringpuller: mike_c: price suppression is basis, but maybe there is more strategy to it?
mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: "Oh i received coins." with gun at head... << it isn't clear why this would lead to price drops at public exchanges, unless anticipatory sell-offs (which would be brief)
mike_c: price suppression doesn't mean they are selling fake coins, it would be the same if they were selling real coins.
mike_c: asciilifeform: the price suppression comes because when someone wants x thousand coins they have this avenue. where otherwise they would be harder/more expensive to obtain.
asciilifeform: mike_c: i still don't get why somebody buying a parcel of $maxint btc would affect the price on, e.g., 'btc-e'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: given the FDIC-like insurance scheme enemy is planning, i would think it probably there is some ability to forcefully liquidate funds against trader's wills (at least smaller ones)
asciilifeform: if it doesn't happen there
mike_c: the auctions are siphoning off demand that could otherwise show up on some exchange. and while the exchanges don't move in perfect tandem, they do move close unless something is wrong.
asciilifeform: only siphons off demand unless, e.g., draper, was actually going to buy at public exchanges and then didn't
asciilifeform: this would result in exchange rate failing to to climb, but how would it lead to a drop ?
asciilifeform: *siphons off demand if
mike_c: the price drops as supply exceeds demand (in a macro sense). if you believe that draper, silbert, etc. represented demand, and that the demand would have eventually made its way to the exchanges even if not directly
mike_c: then the absence of that demand would suppress the price. whether this leads to flat, falling, or only "not rising as much" price
asciilifeform: price drops as supply exceeds demand << this is like finding a corpse and declaring 'he died from not breathing'
mike_c: depends on how much other demand there is
asciilifeform: yes, it's rather obvious, but interested in mechanics
danielpbarron: aren't there 3.6k coins found every day that need to find a new home or else a miner can't pay his electricity bill?
mike_c: that depends on who you ask. some will say that miners mine specifically to get nice clean coins and aren't selling to pay bills.
asciilifeform: ^ that was my theory (though quite likely it's a formula obvious to many folks)
danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin
mike_c: others say that the big miners don't have to worry about paying electricity bills..
mike_c: as has been more or less proven in here before, the big miners aren't buying KNC/bitmain/whoever rigs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00038968 = 4.0916 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 346316 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47085869256.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86002
asciilifeform: afaik nothing whatsoever is publicly known about the 'big miners' other than approximate hash output.
mike_c: "nothing whatsoever". If hash power goes up by an order of magnitude more than the output of the minig rig manufacturers, something is known.
asciilifeform: other than this.
asciilifeform: alternatively, the output figures are bullshit
mike_c: like KNC is underreporting their sales?
asciilifeform: and one or more quietly produced a great many units which do not publicly exist except for their hash
asciilifeform: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.25, Best ask: 270.46, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 270.47, 24 hour volume: 55311.03169349, 24 hour low: 262.0, 24 hour high: 275.0, 24 hour vwap: None
asciilifeform: ;;calc 270.25 * 3600
gribble: 972900
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: aren't there 3.6k coins found every day that need to find a new home or else a miner can't pay his electricity bill << ^ quite a bill
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin << but there is in fiat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00038793 = 5.1789 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: for an american gasenwagen, it is theoretically enough that you moved $int from your bank account to a known btc exchange at some point
danielpbarron: well they aren't paying their electric bills directly in bitcoin.. yet
asciilifeform: where the coins are, the victim will reveal himself when the soldering iron warms up
thestringpuller: moar alf poetry
thestringpuller: the book of alf
jurov: felipelalli: About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? << eventually coinbr will ask you to cover the unpaid fees, otherwise some assets get liquidated in, say, 12 months
jurov: i could not be arsed to do it yet
felipelalli: Thank you jurov! :) So, the only way to "pause" the fees when our account is kind of inactive is selling all assets and removing the account? Is it possible to remove an account and keep the assets?
asciilifeform: felipelalli: Is it possible to remove an account and keep the assets << if you bought an mpex account...
felipelalli: asciilifeform: I'd imagine that. :(
mike_c: ;;calc 0.19 * 12 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 636.1428
thestringpuller: mpex account is actually much more expensive than coinbr
mike_c: ;;calc 0.019 * 12 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 63.61428
asciilifeform: naturally
thestringpuller: ;;calc 30 / 0.019
gribble: 1578.94736842
thestringpuller: ;;calc 1578.94 / 12
gribble: 131.578333333
jurov: are these bitcents really such a problem?
thestringpuller: ^- the years it would take to pay off mpex account
thestringpuller: on coinbr
thestringpuller: coinbr is remarkable deal
asciilifeform: jurov: they sure are for me, for example
asciilifeform: it means that the machine isn't fire&forget
asciilifeform: and you have to somehow come up with new btc once in a while
felipelalli: So, it is fun to play in MPEx and CoinBR only if you are really rich! :) Not my case right now, yet.
mike_c: $5 / month is rich?
asciilifeform: felipelalli: congrats on coming to this conclusion quickly and painlessly
asciilifeform: mike_c: yes, rich, if it's 5 in plutonium
jurov: not yet. unpaid fees just accumulate, not even that if you get any dividends
felipelalli: well, if I buy like $10 in assets, if I pay $5 / month I am making a bad deal, right?
mike_c: yes
danielpbarron: lol @ $10 in assets
jurov: it's what you do with fiat assets? to ask broker to manage $10 woth of them?
jurov: *worth
asciilifeform doesn't have broker either
thestringpuller: LOL $10 in assets
felipelalli: well! That's why I am saying I cannot play yet! :) I'm investing hard in my business, I can't invest hard in MPEx assets yet right now.
thestringpuller: felipelalli: you're missing out
danielpbarron: you can always make a bitbet bet
thestringpuller: also mpex is probably safest place to store bitcoin
asciilifeform: ^ i never grokked this argument
thestringpuller: ???
asciilifeform: in either case, lose your key, lose the coin
asciilifeform: (which is as it ought to be)
thestringpuller: oh
jurov: anyway i plan the possiblity to loan everything to coinbr, with dividend payments directly to your address
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well I keep my private key in a back up in a tube up my but
thestringpuller: t
jurov: no fees, but your assets would be available only 30 days after calling or so
jurov: similar like i do for qntra people
jurov: who haven't asked me otherwise
felipelalli: jurov: like a "pause"?
jurov: you can see it as pause
jurov: yes
felipelalli: that would be great. But $5 / mo worth it, I thought it was more expensive, don't know why. I'll continue to pay that even without big investments yet.
BingoBoingo doesn't see why jurov shouldn't get paid for "fire and forget" Could be a one time fee much larger than the monthly fee.
mike_c: it *is* fire and forget. he doesn't liquidate you if you have unpaid fees
felipelalli: jurov: maybe a year plan would be nice as well.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that would be essentially reselling mpex account at cost, no ?
felipelalli: mike_c: yes. now I think jurov is too much nice. :D
danielpbarron: i'd hate to see things get too user friendly up in here :p
jurov: don't worry, when i finally implement these loans, i'll start nagging
danielpbarron: or else every "homo reddicus" with $10 will end up spamming the orderbook
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or simply selling access to his proxy for a fixed price option. Maybe in the range of 5-20% of what the mpex account costs, so still an intege BTC price in this hypothetical.
felipelalli: jurov: chasing bad payers? lol
jurov: and it isn't a big sum anyway
jurov: felipelalli: but really, you'd give up your ability to trade online for such "free account"?
felipelalli: danielpbarron: it isn't $ 10, it was just an exaggeration. I guess I have more than $ 100 there.
jurov: you're ok with 30day delay?
mike_c: coinbr glacier :)
jurov: haha
felipelalli: jurov: the point is that I don't want to "trade online", I don't have time for that. I just want to buy MPEx or QNTRA for example and let there, sleeping.
felipelalli: jurov: I'm OK with 60 or 90 days delay.
jurov: orly. even better for me.
thestringpuller: cause he can lend your shares without your permission
thestringpuller: jkjk
jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind
felipelalli: aahahah, I allow. He can make fractional reserve. If this pay my fee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00039 = 2.34 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.03833099 = 3.8331 BTC [-] {6}
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: if homo redditicus were only a problem because 'spamming the orderbook', that would be another thing. a bot could theoretically 'vacuum up the chump money' and that's that. But - they, as i understand, spam support lines, public fora, and overall poison the atmosphere in ways not outweighed by the pennies they bring in
asciilifeform: (n00bs can read my original article reviewing mpex, containing summary of mircea_popescu's material on above subject - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 )
assbot: Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMeIPc )
danielpbarron nods
mike_c: that's the point of coinbr though. they pay jurov for the right to harrass him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00038225 = 5.428 BTC [-]
mike_c: people call charles schwab, not NYSE, when they have a problem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 325 @ 0.0125 = 4.0625 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab)
mike_c: same reason as havelock. buy a few shares and you feel a part of something big.
asciilifeform: mike_c: religion? ok
BingoBoingo: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0BBSCR8.txt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15463 @ 0.00038225 = 5.9107 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (i, for instance, wasn't interested at all until invited to write a review, using free demo. which i did. and in the course of said demo, realized that i've not particularly much to -do- with such a thing, on account of having approximately no coin)
asciilifeform: because i don't so much go in for religion
asciilifeform: if you have hundreds, thousands of coin - yes, it is very interesting
danielpbarron: it can be interesting with as little as .. 5 .. 10 coins
asciilifeform: not if your time is worth anything
mike_c: some people enjoy it
asciilifeform: hard to argue with that. there are 'some people' who enjoy just about anything.
mike_c: yeah, some like ada :D
asciilifeform is at this moment actively unenjoying the ada
mike_c: there's nothing wrong with taking a few btc and playing around on coinbr as a way to learn more about btc finance world.
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: as amusement park - works.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file
asciilifeform: ^ precisely
asciilifeform: i can - and do - play this game privately on occasion
mike_c: if you have 3 btc, and you just doubled it to 6 in the recent qntra surge, you probably are quite happy with yourself.
asciilifeform: without paying anyone anything
asciilifeform: mike_c: for folks who like to gamble - straight to the dice games
ben_vulpes: "but trading isn't gamblinggggg!"
mike_c: why not gamble on a +EV game?
asciilifeform: for folks who can reliably turn x into 2x - they already have mpex accounts, aren't reading this
ben_vulpes: and how'd you know that, asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: conjecture.
mike_c: maybe they not only are reading this, they are writing it! :)
mike_c: in reality, nobody can reliably turn x into 2x.
mike_c: at least not more than a couple time
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever try the exercise of writing a 'pefect knowledge' bot that tells you 'what could have been' ?
asciilifeform: as in, the maximum one could have hoped to earn on coinbr in a particular time interval starting with x btc
asciilifeform: (this is actually np-complete, but one can find approximations)
mike_c: this requires non-public knowledge
asciilifeform: how?
mike_c: like what the order book looked like across time
asciilifeform: we're talking about historical data
asciilifeform: mike_c: technically yes
asciilifeform: but again can approximate, roughly, solely with price history, no ?
asciilifeform: folks with a clue - comment, would the result have any useful connection with reality ?
mike_c: depends on liquidity.. maybe for mpoe. even there, not really
mike_c: well, I not only have a clue, i have the order book history :)
asciilifeform: for small enough x, market has full depth at all times, no?
asciilifeform: is depth really a concern for infinitesimal working sum ?
mike_c: infinitesimal, no. but then you're 'perfect knowledge' bot isn't going to make so much anyway
asciilifeform: mike_c: it will give you an x and x', where x' > x
mike_c: mm, not quite. because order book could have been better than price history at times
mike_c: bid climbs up, then down, then sale happens. if you had sold at higher bid you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot
asciilifeform: understand, interested here in 'theoretical best' of what a smart person with almost no funding could achieve
asciilifeform: you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot << impossible by definition
asciilifeform: 'perfect info bot' is this abstract thing. a god.
mike_c: ok, but that's what i'm saying. the god needs non-public info
asciilifeform: even for determining what x' is for x=0.01 btc ?
asciilifeform can already picture how - if the 0.01 were enough to 'move between equivalence classes' in the orderbook
jurov rolls eyes
mike_c: i'll leave it at this - you will come up with a number that is just as useful with public info as you would with non-public info.
jurov: bitbet is certain to make 7% dividend next month
jurov: to buy it does not need any perfect bot
jurov: but nobody does
mike_c: bitbet dividend = rand()
asciilifeform: i merely suspect that no one, not even a god, could 'get rich' at 'investing' pocket change at mpex
danielpbarron: lol mike_c
jurov: mike_c: have you read the last report?
danielpbarron: sure feels that way
jurov: so, nobody even reads the fkn reports
mike_c: jurov: just a poke at the frequency of dividend mistakes on that asset :)
asciilifeform: (unless someone noticed that he's a god, and gave him a bag of coin for lulz. but that's outside the rules of the gedankenexperiment!)
jurov: and they want to have" perfect bots"
asciilifeform: (unlike 'redditicus' the impossibility doesn't irritate me in the slightest, i have other things in life to play with)
asciilifeform: jurov: bitbet is certain to make 7% dividend next month.. to buy it does not need any perfect bot.. but nobody does << this is because time is worth something
mike_c: well, plus he is incorrect. monthly volume is over 1% of total shares.
asciilifeform: calculate, how much coin would i need to have on hand for it to be worth the effort in getting a coinbr account and making the gears go correctly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8051 @ 0.00018861 = 1.5185 BTC [+] {5}
jurov: well. avg s.mpoe dividend is about 100 satoshi
ben_vulpes: more effective to not do it and just buy btc.
jurov: ;;calc 0.2*100000000/100
gribble: 200000
jurov: damn
jurov: ;;calc 0.02*100000000/100
gribble: 20000
jurov: ^ this many shares you need to stay even
jurov: ;;calc 20000*0.0004
gribble: 8
asciilifeform: there we go.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2620 @ 0.00038225 = 1.0015 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'The Third Rock From The Sun can hold an atmosphere and your piece of cosmic flotsam can’t.' (from my article)
asciilifeform: gravity works this way, and so do other things.
jurov: nad you'd be fine with 90day delay to access them, too?
jurov: *and
asciilifeform: jurov: nope. i'm not the least bit interested in low-frequency trading
asciilifeform: takes away what little point there is, no?
jurov: and what you are interested in?
asciilifeform: escape rocket
asciilifeform: (but i know that it isn't happening with trading, because i'm not an idiot, so i don't trade)
jurov: well, that's not my business
asciilifeform: didn't mean to imply that it was.
asciilifeform: or that jurov's gizmo doesn't function exactly as printed on crate.
jurov: can you pls explain the issue?
asciilifeform: no issue, just the fact that i personally don't have any jobs for which coinbr is the right tool
asciilifeform: the folks subscribing - presumably have reasons
asciilifeform: i just cannot know what they are.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 84.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,110.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 28.65000237 BTC. Current weight: 68,632.
jurov: *stunned silence*
jurov: i'm trying to make do under some constraints, which i explained several time here
jurov: *times
asciilifeform: i think i understand how coinbr works, and why
asciilifeform: but i don't know who the users are and what motivates them
jurov: having thousands of chumps pounding on on mpex accounts is just unthinkable, hence the fees.
jurov: *on one mpex account
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043338 << it is when your strategy works mostly based on depth☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:13:44; asciilifeform: is depth really a concern for infinitesimal working sum ?
asciilifeform: aha
adlai not sure if he counts as a 'folks with a clue'
asciilifeform: jurov: would you say that the 'thousands of chumps' are using your gizmo instead ?
asciilifeform has no idea re: coinbr user stats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6119 @ 0.00038007 = 2.3256 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: they could be using my gizmo only if it worked as boiler room
adlai notes to self to offer asciilifeform a seat on the escape rocket, should the clue ever be proven
asciilifeform: jurov: i think i get what you mean
adlai: specifically, scalpl's purpose is to produce the fastest possible escape rocket for a given (parametrizable) risk tolerance; once that technology is in place, it's just a matter of finding a market for which the maximum speed at your risk tolerance exceeds escape velocity
asciilifeform: adlai: see earlier discussion about what 'carnot efficiency', if you'll allow the analogy, is for scalpl (or any similar machine)
adlai: !s carnot from:asciilifeform
assbot: 4 results for 'carnot from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=carnot+from%3Aasciilifeform
asciilifeform: not mentioned by name earlier
asciilifeform: but trying to compare to the well-known thermodynamic optimum for an engine
asciilifeform: adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043325 << thread starting here☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:10:23; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever try the exercise of writing a 'pefect knowledge' bot that tells you 'what could have been' ?
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043164 << coins have moved on the blockchain, although it's trivial to fake this - if you control the coins.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
jurov: (parametrizable) risk tolerance << and this is solved problem in finance?
adlai: nope, but it's a problem that individuals can tackle for themselves
asciilifeform: it's simply an elementary fact that you can't +ev your way 'from rags to riches' unless you know something other folks don't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8000 @ 0.00018125 = 1.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2683 @ 0.0003914 = 1.0501 BTC [+]
adlai: the 'perfect knowledge' bot - are you using the word 'perfect' to suggest that it knows what _will_ happen?
adlai: because that is pure masturbation
adlai: there's a lot of interesting knowledge in the distribution of expected liquidity events given all other data on the market, but it's far from 'perfect', because it gives you, at best, a precisely calculated distribution of 'past performance'
asciilifeform: adlai: yes, 'knows what will'
asciilifeform: adlai: and no, not pure masturbation
asciilifeform: any more than carnot cycle is
asciilifeform: it tells you (or would, if could be written, but the most you can hope for is an approximation, as the problem - even with all the necessary data - is np-complete) the theoretical maximum that could have been achieved
asciilifeform: against which to measure the actuality.
asciilifeform: sorta like the 'x % kills' (what fraction of the monsters you dealt with) shown at the end of a 'doom' level
punkman: I don't think carnot cycle is a good analogy here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00037559 = 4.6949 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 89.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,075.
adlai: calling this 'np-complete' is like calling ftl drive research 'expensive'
adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist
adlai: "market will go up" is different from "joe impulse trader will press the button once he sees N flashing numbers", and 'perfect information' requires the latter, which is for all practical purposes, random
adlai: more personally, if perfect information exists, scalpl is truly a wild goose chase; i'm betting my time on perfect information not existing, and there being room for patience to profit off information fuzzyness
adlai: gathering and interpreting actual information is a totally different story, and there's a huge amount of information that most/all human traders totally *ignore*, and that's as mike_c said - past order book movements
thestringpuller: !gettrust friedcat
assbot: friedcat is not registered in WoT.
adlai is not surprised
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9336 @ 0.00038768 = 3.6194 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: asciilifeform: 'x % kills' << this would be a totally meaningless epsilon for any 'perfect information bot' that actually acts on that information
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00039239 = 4.434 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00040062 = 8.8537 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00040226 = 2.6348 BTC [+]
cazalla: look like indiana jones' number might be up
cazalla: or han solo depending on your preference
mircea_popescu: what's that mean ?
BingoBoingo: Oh, is Harrison Ford kicking the bucket soon?
cazalla: i hate to link to it, but.. http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/harrison-ford-plane-crash-landing-golf-course-santa-monica/
assbot: Harrison Ford -- Plane Crashes ... Actor Seriously Injured | TMZ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1aOovK8 )
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: cessna nailgun
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042949 ehehehe☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 11:47:57; assbot: Russian Lawmaker: Bitcoin is a CIA Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fd7rXE )
mircea_popescu: who is this, zhirinovsky ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042955 << their argument rests on some random schmuck who went in the field to "Study" it, introduced some seeds, claimed to have discovered the resulting plants and woe and behold, a redditard mattered!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 12:47:00; punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?!
mircea_popescu: i think it's unseemly that they should be further encouraged.
mircea_popescu: the sooner they lose all hope the sooner their children can begin tearing up redditardamerica and building a livable space north of rio grande.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha you're quite right about the scytales. a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: greeks, way ahead of romans and their spawn ONCE AGAIN
mircea_popescu: they had the atomic theory, they had the steam engine, they had the works.
pete_dushenski: atomic theory i knew, but steam engine ?!
mircea_popescu: yup
pete_dushenski: and the romans were empire builders, not philosophers
mircea_popescu: look into hero of alexandria
pete_dushenski: they had philosophers, but that's a different thing