assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 11:11:30; fluffypony: "I think FriedCat is not a real name. Does anyone know about FriedCat's real identity ?"
mircea_popescu: so nice to see qntra redo the bitbet history with this gaw scam
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 13:57:22; mod6: i've never seen this before.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:04:18; jurov: so i propose to go on to 0.5.3.2 .. release early, release often
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:19:27; jurov: i am just not placing any expectations to any piece of software anymore
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: you lose due to recency bias! I’ll extend the thanks to you regardless haha
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041414 << here's the long story : traditionally, "int" means a word, and word means a register size, which is machine dependent (was 8 bit, then 16, then 32 and now is 64). because historically the register was inconvenient for human use, the notion of "long int" was born, as a dword (two words) or qword (four). because historically the register was inconvenient for memor
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:34:51; PeterL: why in c is a long int the same size as int?
mircea_popescu: y usage, the notion of short int was created, sometimes as small as a byte (8 bits).
mircea_popescu: both of these are becoming obsolete as ram is cheap and 64 bits plentiful. so in the future, int will just mean "integer number" and that's that,
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:24:10; sjsqd: do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it?
mircea_popescu: yeah, inasmuch as gavin tiptoes around my lunch hour, i would propose they're painfully aware of it, yes.
mircea_popescu: dude it's so great to come to logs after a nice meal and find all sorts of gems like these.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:13; sjsqd: but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core?
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assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:42; asciilifeform: sjsqd: starting point was phoundation's release circa 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 202 @ 0.012 = 2.424 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:38:01; sjsqd: you basically earn based upon your proportion of page views
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:41:39; sjsqd: even with hundreds of thousands of page views I only ever made about 70 USD over 2-3 years
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00037681 = 4.258 BTC [+]
ryan-c: ben_vulpes: I don't think so. I'm not Ryan X Charles.
BingoBoingo: That's always good to hear. The world needs less javascript.
ryan-c: when all you have is a hammer...
BingoBoingo: You just end up poorly reimplementing Common Lisp or Ada
ryan-c: mircea_popescu: probably at least 50,000 in the US
BingoBoingo: ryan-c: You know keyservers exist in a much more user friendly form than that abomination make by the okcupid people
ryan-c: BingoBoingo: My gpg keys are in pgp.mit.edu and sks-keyservers as well.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i curious about the no-recourse mortgages as well. lender returns payment stream, keeps asset?
ben_vulpes: so borrower defaults, lender gets house and payments.
mircea_popescu: let's work a model. suppose i own 85`000 square footage of marble flooring, used for running a harem. suppose i come to the conclusion my harem doesn't attract good / numerous enough cuntage. suppose i decide this is because there's no belly dancing happening. suppose i go to a belly dancer in city and say, listen, i'll loan you 10k golden pistoons if you start a belly dancing school on my marlbe acreage.
mircea_popescu: this is the sort of thing. the professional has no interest in leaving their current place just because i want to relocate them, and the situation isn't feudal, where i just order them moved.
mircea_popescu: now, if the school goes well and makes money im getting my pistoons back.
mircea_popescu: if not, fuck me and my stupid "palace" with no running water up on a mountain in the desert.
mircea_popescu: belly dancer expert walks and i'm more than welcome to repay myself.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00038032 = 4.9822 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the idea being that contracts (of the old sort) are flexible and useful, just as long as the chumps grok that there is no such thing as "a standard contract".
mircea_popescu: and as to limited recourse, it can be limited whatever way. generally it is, "lend me this money to buy this house, i pay you so and so, and if i don't you keep the house."
mircea_popescu: which is the very definition of mortgage (a topic of not little historical interest, because it's one of the rare cases where we can observe biological evolution at work in what's supposed to be fleshless abstractions)
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of similarity between how prokaryotes ended up with mitochondria and how commerce ended up with the mortgage.
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mike_c: the first trade after that debacle is a buy?
felipelalli: About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? I will be in debt or it shall be forgiven?
dragosb: Hello Mircea ! I read a article on your blog about How to be a good poker player, and I was pondering do you play on-line or live?
mircea_popescu: dragosb i play very little these days. i mostly played live, and mostly pre-consumer internet.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, on that score : as mike_c correctly pointed out a week or so ago, headsup is actually a broken game now, courtesy of teh damned computers.
mircea_popescu: just say how many lengths of chord you want to hang yourself with.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5480 @ 0.00038199 = 2.0933 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You only say that becasue you are going through practice where Ruby forces still more bondage and discipline upon you
BingoBoingo kinda wants Mosin, has never lost to itself
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What of the wrist of who fires that
BingoBoingo: Ears are guarenteed to fail on a long enough timeline, visit nursing home if you have pretenses otherwise.
BingoBoingo: The best deer rifle in history is the cheapest.
BingoBoingo: Bolt action so cleaning... More popular "deer" rifle is sks, still corrosive primers, much less range, still moar cleaning
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes sks, you also get diminished charge behind bullet for no less cleaning
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Equivalent to US .30-06 caliber. Beats any man wearable armour
mircea_popescu: in any case im notsure you'd want a plain bolt action for that purpose.
mircea_popescu: more like a "tough as nails, swiss made SKS". like the mac10 maybe.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, not for the whole club, but if you have people designated to hit marks at a distance...
mircea_popescu has never actually seen a mosin used in practice. ever. anywhere.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mac10's caliber is recognized now as sub pistol, .380 ACP isn't beating a single sheet of kevlar
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's all in the filling. they make dup double strength cartridges now.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: moder sniper rifle has bullets of similar power to mosin, simply smaller case
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, much better barrel. accuracy is a thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but at the point barrels make a difference operator makes a far greater difference
mircea_popescu: by the time you're shooting policemen you're not going to save on the rifle. those suckers cost thje enemy like 1.5-3 mn a pop.
mircea_popescu: you know i suspect potapov is like the ru mil pythagoras.
BingoBoingo: USia claimed its own for a bt in the Hathcock guy
BingoBoingo: Hathcock's narrative though included using light machine guns as bolt action rifle because US lacked adequate sniper rifle for 'Nam
BingoBoingo: USia's hotness this past decade has been taking M-14's and converting to "designated marksmen rifles"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00038309 = 3.4287 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: M-14's original service life of course having been... lacking
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes. His range extends to visual past what assualt rifle can not reliably hit fatally, but still visual
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Russian equivalent for role is Dragunov
BingoBoingo: Basic requirements for such tool are full power rifle round and semi auto action
BingoBoingo: In contemporary USian deployments designated marksmen carries M-14 with a plastic stock and has specialization like the machine gunner
BingoBoingo: Mosin's great virtue for USian civilian is that it costs roughly 1/10th anything equivalent from domestic manufacterer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure for 4 digit numer of USD
BingoBoingo: Nah, 5 exists, 4 though is the sweet spot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 400 @ 0.0045519 = 1.8208 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes. For me it was called "Freshman Year"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00038309 = 5.5357 BTC [+]
decimation: re: no recourse mortgages < banks hate these, but you can get them
decimation: one semi-popular scam to run in the us is to buy a house with your "IRA"
decimation: well, functionally in the us nearly all mortgages are 30 year fixed loans
decimation: it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly
BingoBoingo: If fiat world could have played nicely, I'd happily be retired in a condo in an "interesting" neighborhood by now, but...
decimation: at any rate, you can purchase a house with your retirement account, and a no-recourse mortgage is used for that
decimation: the irs says you can't live in it until you retire, but you can rent it out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 250 @ 0.00463785 = 1.1595 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: /Radomysisky /3DPConfidential The guy likened you to a rapist simply because you speak with passion on the topic of politics and technology.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly <<< quite.
mircea_popescu: isn't cody wilson the guy with that blog, what was it called
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Market means the same. At best I assume Cody is an agent...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect is is merely a broad net to collect information on malcontents
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe not, but having your product obstructed by every domestic shipping company... maybe?
mircea_popescu: tbh, that is the only logical end game : US of Best Korea, where everything is banned not because they can't afford anything, but for Ideological Reasons. Honest.
mircea_popescu: i used to know poor people like that. all the things they couldn't afford, they didn't do not because they couldn't afford them
Liberza: so, asicminer is dead because friedcat has been kidnapped by mongolians.
mircea_popescu: so basically... either water the plantville farm all day, or else go talk to tlp's intensive pilling unit, or worse!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only if electrolytic machining apparatus is refined. Otherwise plastermolds
mircea_popescu: lol alf's crazy gnome lab. "insert pipe here, piss in this funnel and point this end towards enemy".
Vexual: yeah and he claims hes not a hipster
mircea_popescu: listen, do this : pirate it, sit the girl down one fine evening after a delicious repast, watch this thing.
mircea_popescu: if there's a way to show the cultural superiority of the 4th republic, this film in this context is it.
mircea_popescu: metallic arsenic bullets. an assassin's dream come true
mircea_popescu: for that matter : sodium bullets encased in very thin metal : just thick enough to carry it through the air. once it fractures on impact, sodium released.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform such trials particularly suited to electroprocess.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard) << Anyone in Iowa has too much
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got a link to where you go "omg wtf bbq am i the only one trying to run these shitstacks"
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 04:11:00; assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
decimation: re: wilson < it strikes me that he's just trying to get publicity
decimation: he recently posted that fedex banned shipping his 3d milling machines
decimation: obviously, he's selling them as 'death in a box'
decimation: sure. and whoever is free to make a press release about it
decimation: so I don't think he's serious. although the idea of milling your own 'm-4gery' out of an '80%' receiver is a neat one
decimation: asciilifeform: one thing that bewilders me is why suppressors and subsonic ammo is not popular in the us
decimation: I guess going deaf at the range is an implied rite of manhood
decimation: you can buy them in the us, if they are legal in your state and you submit many forms to usg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00037791 = 2.1163 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.05173809 = 2.173 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure what you agree to when you buy one but you definitely need a note from stalin
decimation: I suspect the real reason that usg makes it difficult is because a suppressed small arm has real utility against usg
decimation: asciilifeform: the relatively silent firearm can be used to ambush and retreat?
decimation: mircea_popescu: didn't you make the point about how the guns we are allowed to keep are of little threat to usg anyway?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00037638 = 1.9948 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: well, I'm thinking of a more military scenario
decimation: asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all
☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: but I agree with your point. ultimately any resistance to usg is going to be economic
decimation: particularly, as you have pointed out, the ammo factory
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
decimation: asciilifeform: pounding a wedge between usg and its ability print bezzlars is the proper route of resistance
decimation: that, and finding a way to mill bullets at home :)
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decimation:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102477304 < "When it comes to price growth, however, New York topped the list for prime property worldwide, according to Knight Frank. Prices jumped 18 percent in New York in 2014. Aspen, Colorado, ranked second, with prices up 16 percent."
☟︎ decimation: and the fed is worried about how inflation is too low
mircea_popescu: decimation i had made that point, yes, but the counterpositive is not necessarily true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the price thing is amusingly at work in all sorts of ATF stuff.
mircea_popescu: tons of things "legal if you have a license we aren't issuing because we're at liberty to do this."
decimation: some rich 'collectors' in the us obtain the proper notes to get fully automatic machine guns
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 312 @ 0.00463785 = 1.447 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: as you can imagine, only the rich can have such a hobby
mircea_popescu: the buffett-rich, the people who are not merely willing to go on the record stating "i am representative of richness, i couldn't exist outside of usg, therefore usg is EVERYTHING", but actually believe it.
decimation: didn't Carnegie, Rockefeller, et. al. bail out us banks from their personal accounts?
mircea_popescu: the j p morgan bailout was essentially a "everyone come to my house!" and then "you will do like so because i say so"
decimation: and crassus was said to have wealth equal to the treasury
mircea_popescu: to properly grok how rich the triumvir was : he could afford to pay for ~18 million usians to go fight for tikrit.
mircea_popescu: the cost for the 20 measly thousand the dod scrounged together (and who faced exactly the fate of crassus' host) was > 1bn
mircea_popescu: know many dudes with 1trn in loose change knocking around ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was one of the three, nothing is misidentified is it.
mircea_popescu: oh. well, no. he wore the banking crown, nobody disputed that, and for good reason.
decimation: well, morgan and his other monopoly friends thought they could 'endow' their bailout wealth to usg via the federal reserve
mircea_popescu: a crown in the traditional sense is a very primitive instrument, because it purports (necessarily, but ineffectually) to hold ALL sovereignty. now the poor bearer's stuck deciding how fires are to be put out, how wives are to be kept, etc.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is entirely counterfactual nonsense that never happened.
mircea_popescu: an' generally, i'd be wary of trusting the current retards' retelling of century old banking history.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they're too stupid to understand it, for another they don't speak the language, for the third they imagine they have political judgements to make.
decimation: did morgan et al not meet on jekyll island to institute the fed?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dunno where that wb quote is, somewhere in his 70s brk letters. all poetic about how great paying taxes is because hey, being rich's unfair.
mircea_popescu: he died iether before or soon after, and had for a while retired.
decimation: nevertheless, I take your point that the study of this history is worthwhile
BingoBoingo: decimation: Crassus was the Fire department
mircea_popescu: decimation in particular, the us fed was an attempt to copy germany, at the time extremely effectual.
decimation: although I don't know how one could find a history that isn't wrapped in progressive bullshit
mircea_popescu: it's easy to recast today as some sort of nefariousness, but if regarded properly rather than anchronistically it's just exactly the same as imperial russians trying to copy prussia.
mircea_popescu: at the time, in fact, the us and russia had a shitload in common : inept peripheral immense landmasses.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same problems, the same solutions, the same obsession of women with french and men with german shit and so on.
mircea_popescu: nobody has made a "Russia and the US in the 1800s : A Tale Of Twin Sisters" monograph to date
mircea_popescu: this merely speaks to the poor quality of english "historians". where's the new york gibbon ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russian side is a little better represented, but not much.
decimation: the historians who would be worth a shit are probably busy trying to keep their house and eat
BingoBoingo maybe surprisingly would still be willing to carry a rifle to tikrit in USia's name. Just since USia didn't accept my flirtations last time if they take me this time I want to pick the rifle.
mircea_popescu: life's what happens while people had other plans, an' posteriority remembers what you did BESIDES paying the bills.
BingoBoingo: Sand niggers are still a species of nigger
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They spotted me the last time with a specific mental defect they refuse to abide
mircea_popescu: you can probably make decent loot with the various brackwaters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fucking local mall turned me down last X-mas season. Not any specific vendor, but all of them.
BingoBoingo: I've a cousin who did some bracjwasser stuff
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BingoBoingo: Was bored, but at least he wasn't on a boat which was his greatest fear as a marine
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra shares face scarcity necessarily
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Over time total new s.qntr per month is on a downward trend becasuse refinement
BingoBoingo: Each scam is only worth so many textual bullets
BingoBoingo: And if it wasn't for Moxenslit I wouls have been 1400 less words last month, but eulogy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But if brackwasser wants my hands they cn knock on my door as the FBI and Treasury department did.
BingoBoingo: Maybe they can actually hold together ling enough to submit a bid.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your plague is high standards. So long as their only demand is I shoot brown people, then I and them will be fine.
mircea_popescu: i think they stole more circassians than the dutch stole africans.
BingoBoingo: As a USian I have to assume ISIS must be bad, and therefore Obumer sucks for not letting me take potshots at them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Iran has always been more ready then the turks
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought iran went apeshit because of the british and us meddling
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: i was nearly disowned from marching band at one time for insisting on continuance to Star Spangled Banner's 3rd verse
decimation: BingoBoingo: should have sang the 'La Marseillaise'
BingoBoingo: decimation: I am not of Jurov's interface preferences
cazalla: damn, you piss heads are tempting me to drink now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00037373 = 6.0918 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Seriouly though if USia offered me a mosin in exchange for 45 minutes at the ISIS border bleaching browns... I'd take that
decimation: BingoBoingo: this is roughly why usg is still in business
decimation: rivers of meat are still ready to serve
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They would recognize te sovient national anthem though given a picture of sean connery
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:37:51; danielpbarron: yeah, prepare to be hated and banned
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And yet it was my temporal lobes that betrayed me
mircea_popescu: anyway, this ssd kid is abso-fucking-lutely endearing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: best I can tell they were anb honest n00b
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pity they never reg'd now it'll be damned hard to make the link.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i read almost the whole thing, i fail to see anything to indicate anything wrong with him.
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: is still welcome to my ear. Maybe I misse dsome other subject
decimation: asciilifeform: how did you find that 'new lamer' guy? incoming links?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That, plus their poor timing
mircea_popescu: but children are born thus. the infrastructure if you wish. the pulmonary shunt.
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decimation: asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat
cazalla: BingoBoingo, what ya drinking, vodka?
BingoBoingo: decimation: The solution is not shooting him yet, but giving him a historical cadaver to explore
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point in the 90s knew a whole bunch of chicks who technically lived there
mircea_popescu: came back home "to study" 9 months in the year, hung out with husband over summer.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yes. Not vodka really. Just plain grain alcohol... and time... and dreams... of USia giving me brown people as a target...
cazalla: BingoBoingo, believe it or not, i've yet to imbibe this month but you're encouraging.. so
decimation: the arabs import everything, food, women, work
decimation: asciilifeform: if they are gentlemen scholars they don't seem to publish in english
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they're very insecure people, spend a lot of time wondering.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:53:30; assbot: I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 19:56:49; PeterL: does Eulora have an official website?
mircea_popescu: artifexd ^ i would hope you won't have that problem ? :D
BingoBoingo wonders why USG won't consider cost effective ISIS solutions
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 20:11:02; asciilifeform: PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts
danielpbarron: the reason i didn't clarify at the time was that i kinda hope he does go and write a LTBarticle about this place and get himself banned from "the community"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i think it's at breaking point, that "community"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: That is neither a problem nor a lack therof
mircea_popescu: treason's only a hanging offence originally. soon enough...
danielpbarron: it would be good for him to get ejected from their midst
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: So your disagreement relatred ratings
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Contrast the case of 'Rozal'
danielpbarron: i gave rozal -10 for being a self described liar, and some others got a -1 or -2 for striking me as sketchy..
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 20:13:24; asciilifeform: there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your view of what is after all a natural process is too informed by categorical logic.
mircea_popescu: real objects can of course never be categorically anything.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You initially gave him a small negative rating out of dislike and it was described as such. I hung him for fabricating allegations of theft.
danielpbarron: what is the point of -10 if not for also having access to the other integers between it and 0
mircea_popescu: holy shit 2k lines that aren't your own are hard as fucking coffin nails
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: For the dark mark. He got -10 for most grevious crime
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. wot is "level of confidence i have a complete picture of this person"
BingoBoingo: PeterL I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking. << And this is how the world ends. Not with a whimper, but with a 7.62x54R bang
artifexd: I'm pretty heads down on it so 1) I am falling very behind on logs and 2) I'm not hanging out in here
artifexd: But, I do get pinged if my name shows up and I don't want y'all to think it has been forgotten.
artifexd: While interesting, that doesn't affect gossipd because I'm using lower level networking.
danielpbarron: Funny how not long it takes the Christian to start a holy war upon the poor Arab! << LOL, I honestly didn't even consider his ethnicity; I have a /stab alias for when people annoy me
artifexd: Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Golang seems to have a lot of those holes
BingoBoingo adires tedu as guy aho makes bullshit mor menory safe, questions... the rest pf the corpus
decimation: asciilifeform: I assume you saw the sudden freakout over hilariously weak crypto implemented by spec in SSL?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00037132 = 3.7875 BTC [+]
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assbot: Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1zMWtU8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7923 @ 0.00038223 = 3.0284 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00037275 = 5.7217 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31726 @ 0.00038373 = 12.1742 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: when did they throw away the old cozy design...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00037403 = 2.0572 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.63, Best ask: 272.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 272.7, 24 hour volume: 64140.20713433, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None
punkman: gribble doesn't like buttstamp anymore?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00038422 = 1.5369 BTC [+]
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punkman: cazalla, I will contribute by only using purple sex toys on the girl
punkman: it's the color of equality
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00037403 = 8.3409 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla what's "women's day" got to do with "digital currency" w/e the shit that means.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6575 @ 0.00037706 = 2.4792 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, seems an opportunity for them to stick their dcc branded shit next to an even bigger shittier brand, that being international wimminz day
mircea_popescu: keep keeping the magic buttons next to other magic buttons so the magic keeps infusing from one to the other and multiplying and shit.
mircea_popescu: soon enough they'll have enough mana stored up to resurect zig ziggler
mircea_popescu: and bring about three apocalypses for the low low price of 19.95
mircea_popescu: if you apocalypse now you also get this free set of dragonbane absolutely free!
mircea_popescu: PLUS! if you only use purple toys on the girl you get a bactericide cream for the vajayjay ABSOLUTELY FREE
mircea_popescu: "While Amin's articles, author profile at Coin Brief and twitter account have since been deleted, a copy of his author archive at Coin Brief remains available via Google cache and is mirrored here."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would people do this. doesn't it stand to reason it's interesting now ? why delete it ?
cazalla: i know eh, his site has been mentioned in the wapo, cnn.. and he goes and deletes it lol
cazalla: the guys content that is, not the site itself
mircea_popescu: anyway, since this is such a big deal (!?), anyone know of some of these isis reddit users ?
mircea_popescu: we could have a script to changetip them fiddy satoshi till the cows come home
mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ?
☟︎ cazalla: nope, but i'd laugh if they began to include a QR code in their head chop videos
cazalla: donate x amount of BTC to see this guy go free by such and such date
mircea_popescu: <10 btc, beheaded. < 100 btc, stabbed in esophagus. etc.
cazalla: perhaps a custom video for the largest changetipper
mircea_popescu: 100 btc guy goes free (o oops, a DIFFERENT group got him just as he was leaving our compound)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the recently failed megaoffensive on tikrit produced from what i hear a good few thousands prisoners
mircea_popescu: the eventual fate of everyone working for that thing anyway, why wait.
mircea_popescu: "pay $50 to watch pvt 1st class joshua cooper learn to give oral pleasure to Berg, the great dane"
cazalla: i believe the aussie pm send 300 soliders to join the fight these past few days
cazalla: sent*.. i'm not even drinking yet speak the engrish
cazalla: i'm not so sure the great dane shit would be that popular
mircea_popescu: well whatcha gonna do, gayness is not allowed i think ?
cazalla: i dunno, the egyptian pilot who got toasty'd was quite popular
fluffypony: [11:05:44] <+mircea_popescu>lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha <- lol, anyone know what the story is?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if isis had any sense they'd just steal the liveshow format. what's that thing called where they put x guys in a house ?
cazalla: he change tipped an alleged isis twitter account fluffypony lol
cazalla: mircea_popescu, big brother
mircea_popescu: anyway, if there's an official isis accounts list somewhere, i'm totally game to send them whatever 0.0050 cents or w/e changetip does.
cazalla: there probably is somewhere
cazalla: can't say i'm keen to be the first aussie bitcoiner nailed to the cross for simply mentioning bitcoin and ISIS in the same sentence though..
cazalla: the cops already shut down an arterial road a few suburbs over this afternoon because some guy dared shoot annoying birds with an air rifle
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00037462 = 7.3238 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00037578 = 1.6346 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0003875 = 9.3388 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00036807 = 5.7643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00036786 = 4.9661 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4362 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.04232399 = 1.2697 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 105 @ 0.012 = 1.26 BTC [+]
sjsqd: sorry afk have to visit family
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00038874 = 4.5871 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: btw sjsqd, are you indian?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.0421 = 2.105 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Because it is endangered and endemic to the area, development projects have been restricted to preserve its habitat. For example, the Dickey-Lincoln dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on the upper Saint John River in 1974, was deauthorized by Congress in 1986 after years of study, because the dam would have flooded 88,000 acres (360 km2) of Maine forest and severely reduced the lousewort's habitat. Some
mircea_popescu: criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; Time magazine called the idea "downright silly" in 1977. While thought extinct at the time the dam was proposed, it was rediscovered in 1976 by C.D. Richards while doing surveys to determine the environmental impact of the dam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00036464 = 4.1751 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 09:09:14; mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038482 = 1.7317 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00039692 = 5.5569 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16166 @ 0.00039865 = 6.4446 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00038238 = 4.2062 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00038032 = 2.4531 BTC [-]
punkman: mircea_popescu: criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; << who the fuck cares about the lousewort
punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?!
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00039941 = 1.6176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00038032 = 4.8871 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.04152686 = 2.7823 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: height=252240 vs height=199051 (usb3: height=234650)
[]bot: Bet placed: 15.19171 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 81.3105122 BTC. Current weight: 72,803.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 73 @ 0.04116602 = 3.0051 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.012 = 1.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.04101 = 1.9275 BTC [-]
punkman: unload that AM1 while havelol is still up!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38294 @ 0.00039953 = 15.2996 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12356 @ 0.00040014 = 4.9441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00038279 = 5.0145 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 72 @ 0.04101 = 2.9527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00038654 = 2.9377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24420 @ 0.00037638 = 9.1912 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00036735 = 3.8204 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 250 @ 0.00463785 = 1.1595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.0003833 = 2.4915 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.02 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 82.3305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,680.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8132 @ 0.00039406 = 3.2045 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00039342 = 1.7901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20287 @ 0.00040088 = 8.1327 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14301 @ 0.00040213 = 5.7509 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00039095 = 1.2706 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00039295 = 4.5779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00039095 = 2.5998 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00039095 = 1.4876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00038571 = 3.2785 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> [05:31] mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever? << tiberius.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> [05:35] asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat << more like a spittoon
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [05:53] am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ? << would this be the ancient "gpg wot" standard?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00038571 = 3.4907 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 83.3305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,525.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: yea. now we can associate bitcoin trades to a key to associate trust value.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: o.O havelock returns ? << we are dealing with undead. it is to be expected...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00038571 = 6.1906 BTC [-]
adlai: his name was robert paulsen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00038571 = 1.215 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9975 @ 0.00038192 = 3.8097 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13645 @ 0.0003815 = 5.2056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6055 @ 0.00036844 = 2.2309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10431 @ 0.00036356 = 3.7923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13472 @ 0.00038708 = 5.2147 BTC [+]
adlai: it ain't a cryptoparty if nobody's having fundation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00036751 = 6.5049 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7921 @ 0.00037571 = 2.976 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00037611 = 6.7512 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: coalbe is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00039053 = 2.3237 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.coalbe.1:7963e8bebaef17f239758f67e4784ead88f565b669ba7319af114b55def5638b
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for coalbe with note: bad puns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00040228 = 3.1177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14394 @ 0.00040129 = 5.7762 BTC [-]
lobbes: !rate BingoBoingo 1 Helped me publish my first qntra article; all-around cool guy
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.BingoBoingo.1:dddea0c2eacbe967fa5d475c36c3906904f651d7d5baba3f4a06f5eefe7eefa
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
mike_c: looks like you are 1 character short.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14525 @ 0.00036342 = 5.2787 BTC [-] {2}
lobbes: mike_c: you have better eyes than I
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.04 = 1.04 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Oh, I though maybe this was the sort of fan you replace for insufficient adoration
cazalla: DigitalCurrency (@DCCCertified) favorited one of your Tweets! <<< bwahaha they don't even follow the links to see what it is, just fav away for tities lol
cazalla: and fuck, i wish it was summer, first week of autumn and the mornings are already cold and dark
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you have given me imagery of asciilifeform having a "posse". asciilifeform: "Why are you people following me?" Member of posse: "Oh, we're you're crew. We follow you everywhere."
kakobrekla: tip: if you need a quiet fan, get one 'be quiet' makes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21532 @ 0.0003621 = 7.7967 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: i dont know from the top of my head which one bq uses but i bought 50 high end fans a year+ ago and tested them all
kakobrekla: i was testing for low rpm quietness where noise from bearings is the problem, noting else
BingoBoingo: Perfectly good occasions exist to compare bulldog and rhinoceros
kakobrekla: checked: "fluid-dynamic bearing with copper core (300.000 operating hours)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00038662 = 2.4744 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but then second problem is running them slow enough - which only bq did as far as my tests went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00038662 = 2.745 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but the fans have a minimum speed at which they will actually turn
kakobrekla: pwm fans have this hardcoded so to speak
kakobrekla: most common seems to be around 500 or 600 rpm
kakobrekla: iirc that particular shot is pwm controlled
kakobrekla: i had one of such 'ionization' clean air gadgets running for some time some years ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00038662 = 3.6729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038886 = 1.7499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00039363 = 4.5661 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9662 @ 0.00039964 = 3.8613 BTC [+]
jurov: not very healthy for breathing
BingoBoingo: Well, not if you get to much. What harm can the occasional whiff of it do?
jurov: we were talking about kako's ozone generator
jurov: running (presumably) all day
punkman: ozone helps kill odours, so "cleaner" air
jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess.
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 3384 @ 0.012 = 40.608 BTC [+]
jurov: wtf GrandHierophant
cazalla: asciilifeform, it's early :\
mike_c: i don't quite get this theory that they aren't actually selling the coins.
thestringpuller: mike_c: they don't sell coins. they make you think they are selling coins.
mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right?
☟︎ mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis.
☟︎ thestringpuller: winning bidder says, "Oh i received coins." with gun at head in background from USG suit and tie
thestringpuller: mike_c: price suppression is basis, but maybe there is more strategy to it?
mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
☟︎☟︎ mike_c: price suppression doesn't mean they are selling fake coins, it would be the same if they were selling real coins.
mike_c: asciilifeform: the price suppression comes because when someone wants x thousand coins they have this avenue. where otherwise they would be harder/more expensive to obtain.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: given the FDIC-like insurance scheme enemy is planning, i would think it probably there is some ability to forcefully liquidate funds against trader's wills (at least smaller ones)
mike_c: the auctions are siphoning off demand that could otherwise show up on some exchange. and while the exchanges don't move in perfect tandem, they do move close unless something is wrong.
mike_c: the price drops as supply exceeds demand (in a macro sense). if you believe that draper, silbert, etc. represented demand, and that the demand would have eventually made its way to the exchanges even if not directly
mike_c: then the absence of that demand would suppress the price. whether this leads to flat, falling, or only "not rising as much" price
mike_c: depends on how much other demand there is
danielpbarron: aren't there 3.6k coins found every day that need to find a new home or else a miner can't pay his electricity bill?
mike_c: that depends on who you ask. some will say that miners mine specifically to get nice clean coins and aren't selling to pay bills.
danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin
mike_c: others say that the big miners don't have to worry about paying electricity bills..
mike_c: as has been more or less proven in here before, the big miners aren't buying KNC/bitmain/whoever rigs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00038968 = 4.0916 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Current Blocks: 346316 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47085869256.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86002
mike_c: "nothing whatsoever". If hash power goes up by an order of magnitude more than the output of the minig rig manufacturers, something is known.
mike_c: like KNC is underreporting their sales?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.25, Best ask: 270.46, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 270.47, 24 hour volume: 55311.03169349, 24 hour low: 262.0, 24 hour high: 275.0, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00038793 = 5.1789 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: well they aren't paying their electric bills directly in bitcoin.. yet
jurov: felipelalli: About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? << eventually coinbr will ask you to cover the unpaid fees, otherwise some assets get liquidated in, say, 12 months
jurov: i could not be arsed to do it yet
felipelalli: Thank you jurov! :) So, the only way to "pause" the fees when our account is kind of inactive is selling all assets and removing the account? Is it possible to remove an account and keep the assets?
mike_c: ;;calc 0.19 * 12 * [ticker --last]
mike_c: ;;calc 0.019 * 12 * [ticker --last]
jurov: are these bitcents really such a problem?
felipelalli: So, it is fun to play in MPEx and CoinBR only if you are really rich! :) Not my case right now, yet.
jurov: not yet. unpaid fees just accumulate, not even that if you get any dividends
felipelalli: well, if I buy like $10 in assets, if I pay $5 / month I am making a bad deal, right?
jurov: it's what you do with fiat assets? to ask broker to manage $10 woth of them?
felipelalli: well! That's why I am saying I cannot play yet! :) I'm investing hard in my business, I can't invest hard in MPEx assets yet right now.
jurov: anyway i plan the possiblity to loan everything to coinbr, with dividend payments directly to your address
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well I keep my private key in a back up in a tube up my but
jurov: no fees, but your assets would be available only 30 days after calling or so
jurov: similar like i do for qntra people
jurov: who haven't asked me otherwise
jurov: you can see it as pause
felipelalli: that would be great. But $5 / mo worth it, I thought it was more expensive, don't know why. I'll continue to pay that even without big investments yet.
BingoBoingo doesn't see why jurov shouldn't get paid for "fire and forget" Could be a one time fee much larger than the monthly fee.
mike_c: it *is* fire and forget. he doesn't liquidate you if you have unpaid fees
felipelalli: jurov: maybe a year plan would be nice as well.
felipelalli: mike_c: yes. now I think jurov is too much nice. :D
danielpbarron: i'd hate to see things get too user friendly up in here :p
jurov: don't worry, when i finally implement these loans, i'll start nagging
danielpbarron: or else every "homo reddicus" with $10 will end up spamming the orderbook
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or simply selling access to his proxy for a fixed price option. Maybe in the range of 5-20% of what the mpex account costs, so still an intege BTC price in this hypothetical.
jurov: and it isn't a big sum anyway
jurov: felipelalli: but really, you'd give up your ability to trade online for such "free account"?
felipelalli: danielpbarron: it isn't $ 10, it was just an exaggeration. I guess I have more than $ 100 there.
jurov: you're ok with 30day delay?
felipelalli: jurov: the point is that I don't want to "trade online", I don't have time for that. I just want to buy MPEx or QNTRA for example and let there, sleeping.
jurov: orly. even better for me.
jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind
☟︎ felipelalli: aahahah, I allow. He can make fractional reserve. If this pay my fee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00039 = 2.34 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.03833099 = 3.8331 BTC [-] {6}
mike_c: that's the point of coinbr though. they pay jurov for the right to harrass him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00038225 = 5.428 BTC [-]
mike_c: people call charles schwab, not NYSE, when they have a problem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 325 @ 0.0125 = 4.0625 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: same reason as havelock. buy a few shares and you feel a part of something big.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15463 @ 0.00038225 = 5.9107 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: it can be interesting with as little as .. 5 .. 10 coins
mike_c: there's nothing wrong with taking a few btc and playing around on coinbr as a way to learn more about btc finance world.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file
☟︎ mike_c: if you have 3 btc, and you just doubled it to 6 in the recent qntra surge, you probably are quite happy with yourself.
mike_c: why not gamble on a +EV game?
ben_vulpes: and how'd you know that, asciilifeform?
mike_c: maybe they not only are reading this, they are writing it! :)
mike_c: in reality, nobody can reliably turn x into 2x.
mike_c: at least not more than a couple time
mike_c: this requires non-public knowledge
mike_c: like what the order book looked like across time
mike_c: depends on liquidity.. maybe for mpoe. even there, not really
mike_c: well, I not only have a clue, i have the order book history :)
☟︎ mike_c: infinitesimal, no. but then you're 'perfect knowledge' bot isn't going to make so much anyway
mike_c: mm, not quite. because order book could have been better than price history at times
☟︎ mike_c: bid climbs up, then down, then sale happens. if you had sold at higher bid you would have done better than 'perfect info' bot
mike_c: ok, but that's what i'm saying. the god needs non-public info
mike_c: i'll leave it at this - you will come up with a number that is just as useful with public info as you would with non-public info.
jurov: bitbet is certain to make 7% dividend next month
jurov: to buy it does not need any perfect bot
mike_c: bitbet dividend = rand()
jurov: mike_c: have you read the last report?
jurov: so, nobody even reads the fkn reports
mike_c: jurov: just a poke at the frequency of dividend mistakes on that asset :)
jurov: and they want to have" perfect bots"
mike_c: well, plus he is incorrect. monthly volume is over 1% of total shares.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8051 @ 0.00018861 = 1.5185 BTC [+] {5}
jurov: well. avg s.mpoe dividend is about 100 satoshi
ben_vulpes: more effective to not do it and just buy btc.
jurov: ;;calc 0.2*100000000/100
jurov: ;;calc 0.02*100000000/100
jurov: ^ this many shares you need to stay even
jurov: ;;calc 20000*0.0004
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2620 @ 0.00038225 = 1.0015 BTC [-]
jurov: nad you'd be fine with 90day delay to access them, too?
jurov: and what you are interested in?
jurov: well, that's not my business
jurov: can you pls explain the issue?
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jurov: i'm trying to make do under some constraints, which i explained several time here
☟︎ jurov: having thousands of chumps pounding on on mpex accounts is just unthinkable, hence the fees.
jurov: *on one mpex account
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:13:44; asciilifeform: is depth really a concern for infinitesimal working sum ?
adlai not sure if he counts as a 'folks with a clue'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6119 @ 0.00038007 = 2.3256 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: they could be using my gizmo only if it worked as boiler room
adlai notes to self to offer asciilifeform a seat on the escape rocket, should the clue ever be proven
adlai: specifically, scalpl's purpose is to produce the fastest possible escape rocket for a given (parametrizable) risk tolerance; once that technology is in place, it's just a matter of finding a market for which the maximum speed at your risk tolerance exceeds escape velocity
adlai: !s carnot from:asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:10:23; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever try the exercise of writing a 'pefect knowledge' bot that tells you 'what could have been' ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question?
jurov: (parametrizable) risk tolerance << and this is solved problem in finance?
adlai: nope, but it's a problem that individuals can tackle for themselves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 8000 @ 0.00018125 = 1.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2683 @ 0.0003914 = 1.0501 BTC [+]
adlai: the 'perfect knowledge' bot - are you using the word 'perfect' to suggest that it knows what _will_ happen?
adlai: because that is pure masturbation
adlai: there's a lot of interesting knowledge in the distribution of expected liquidity events given all other data on the market, but it's far from 'perfect', because it gives you, at best, a precisely calculated distribution of 'past performance'
punkman: I don't think carnot cycle is a good analogy here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00037559 = 4.6949 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 89.8305122 BTC. Current weight: 72,075.
adlai: calling this 'np-complete' is like calling ftl drive research 'expensive'
adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist
adlai: "market will go up" is different from "joe impulse trader will press the button once he sees N flashing numbers", and 'perfect information' requires the latter, which is for all practical purposes, random
adlai: more personally, if perfect information exists, scalpl is truly a wild goose chase; i'm betting my time on perfect information not existing, and there being room for patience to profit off information fuzzyness
adlai: gathering and interpreting actual information is a totally different story, and there's a huge amount of information that most/all human traders totally *ignore*, and that's as mike_c said - past order book movements
assbot: friedcat is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9336 @ 0.00038768 = 3.6194 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: asciilifeform: 'x % kills' << this would be a totally meaningless epsilon for any 'perfect information bot' that actually acts on that information
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00039239 = 4.434 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00040062 = 8.8537 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00040226 = 2.6348 BTC [+]
cazalla: look like indiana jones' number might be up
cazalla: or han solo depending on your preference
BingoBoingo: Oh, is Harrison Ford kicking the bucket soon?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 12:47:00; punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?!
mircea_popescu: i think it's unseemly that they should be further encouraged.
mircea_popescu: the sooner they lose all hope the sooner their children can begin tearing up redditardamerica and building a livable space north of rio grande.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha you're quite right about the scytales. a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.
mircea_popescu: greeks, way ahead of romans and their spawn ONCE AGAIN
mircea_popescu: they had the atomic theory, they had the steam engine, they had the works.