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cazalla: oh boy this article is gonna be a good one
mircea_popescu: mike_c it should be possible tho.
mike_c: yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect.
mircea_popescu: minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own.
mircea_popescu: cazalla which one ? :D
cazalla: publishing it soon, just adding links
mircea_popescu: cool
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html
trinque: heh no kidding
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162802 << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 22:17:19; shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default
cazalla: do ur thang scoopbot
trinque: asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162814 << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
trinque: the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago
trinque: *ago
scoopbot_revived: U.S. Treasury: Bitcoin Used In Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing http://qntra.net/2015/06/u-s-treasury-bitcoin-used-in-money-laundering-terrorist-financing/
trinque: asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon
asciilifeform: re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it
asciilifeform: so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade
asciilifeform: ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques.
asciilifeform: i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ?
asciilifeform: but not, e.g., kalashnikov ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup, they are very singlemindedly following their talking pointsa.
asciilifeform: ditto for the idiots sending 'them' bitcoin
asciilifeform: usg is laughing all the way to, well, their wallet.
mircea_popescu: and yes hearn is a better political animal than gavin, but not more intelligent
mircea_popescu: just, one admits to himself he's filth, the other does not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one.
mircea_popescu: hypocrisy is always lower functioning.
asciilifeform: it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps
asciilifeform: it's a leper's bell, loud and clear
mircea_popescu: recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ?
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: i read it as a mix of stupidity and desperation
asciilifeform: (where is he supposed to get non-usg crypto that he can understand ?)
mircea_popescu: it's all stupidity.
mircea_popescu: it is meaningless to speak of a revolutionary's desperation.
mircea_popescu: if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career.
asciilifeform: what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ?
mircea_popescu: if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone.
mircea_popescu: that he's here makes the word meaningless
mircea_popescu: dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver.
mircea_popescu: what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ?
asciilifeform: cabbie isn't usually same as 50 y.o. ex-signals corps fella
mircea_popescu: orly ?
asciilifeform: (no lack of the latter working as the former, sure)
mircea_popescu: the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else.
mircea_popescu: so they don't miss what they don't have.
asciilifeform: but this is easily broken by some helpful fella giving then a bit of what they lack.
mircea_popescu: no, it is not.
mircea_popescu: because idiot's main concern is whether this makes the other guy better than him
mircea_popescu: AS IF this can be in debate.
asciilifeform: and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it
mircea_popescu: they knew themselves to be idiots.
mircea_popescu: arabs do not.
asciilifeform: sometimes via multi-$mil elaborate s4mz0r1ngs
asciilifeform: (see the japanese cnc mill case)
asciilifeform: or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax
mircea_popescu: was that ever published ?
asciilifeform: in english? no idea
mircea_popescu: in drawings lol
mircea_popescu: names are names
asciilifeform: http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZwAn6 )
asciilifeform: take, obviously, with a grain of liquid shit
mircea_popescu: mmyeah
asciilifeform: the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate
asciilifeform: and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell.
asciilifeform: (american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights)
mircea_popescu: but not for very many
mircea_popescu: in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale.
mircea_popescu: and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves.
mircea_popescu: anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took.
mircea_popescu: even if the payment was, like all payments, false.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: jp got paid in, iirc, gold.
asciilifeform: ditto u.s. grain
asciilifeform: p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: http://www.retro-pc.net/musei/dd/hdd/index_ru.htm (scroll to middle past the japanese unit)
asciilifeform: (how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know)
asciilifeform: the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now.
asciilifeform: it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still.
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies.
assbot: Euergetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzdWc )
mircea_popescu: what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ?
mircea_popescu: derpyterpy something, four syllables ending in y ?
mircea_popescu: piketty ty.
asciilifeform missed this
asciilifeform: !up referredbyloper
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=622 << yours ?
assbot: OLD-COMPUTERS.COM musem ~ IPTVT (Traian Vuia Polytechnical Institute) MicroTim ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzJ6l )
asciilifeform: mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43)
asciilifeform: under brand 'amic'
mircea_popescu: - TIM-S: 6 Mhz mode, 80 KB RAM, 16 KB ROM <
mircea_popescu: and amic iirc was not actually a z80
mircea_popescu: it also sucked.
asciilifeform: http://www.homecomputer.de/images/wanted/easteurope/aMIC.jpg << it ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciWBg )
mircea_popescu: well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items
mircea_popescu: http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#amic < there
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bcj8jS )
asciilifeform: the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard
asciilifeform: (the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen)
mircea_popescu: the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard
asciilifeform: not obvious from the photo
mircea_popescu: they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so
mircea_popescu: the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /-\ shaped keys caught, and so on.
mircea_popescu: but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd
asciilifeform: today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with)
mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in
asciilifeform: interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores
asciilifeform: there is a kind of cargo cult appeal to the things
mircea_popescu: they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams
mircea_popescu: for hipster couples.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963
asciilifeform: what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable'
mircea_popescu: she could be an anais nin of photography and he could be an henry miller of poetry
asciilifeform: (fella i know just threw just such a keyboard out, after getting a proper 'm')
mircea_popescu: nfi.
mircea_popescu: it
asciilifeform: https://rakanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/unicomp.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZByjL )
asciilifeform: ^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings
asciilifeform: lasts a few yrs.
asciilifeform: iirc it omits the steel 'anvil' found in the genuine 'm'
trinque: complete with speedometer
asciilifeform: so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks
asciilifeform likes his 'ibm m' and 'northgate' kbds but would eventually like something that doesn't throw rf around for fifty metres
asciilifeform: culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards.
mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/microtim.jpg << there
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZC4yf )
mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cip3.jpg << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCaGc )
asciilifeform almost asked where the 'lat' key is, but then hit self on head
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jet2.jpg << also, repurposed phone chassis
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCpRA )
asciilifeform: would've been classy if they'd left the cradle in, to use as accoustic modem
mircea_popescu: http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1352440858_screen.png << this one's for mike_c
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCxRa )
mircea_popescu: "Mai erau CIP-urile, pe care incarcai interpretorul BASIC de pe caseta, era nasol ca resetai si iti lua timp si incarcarea lui. In plus ii sareau tastele in permanenta, si pierdeai si arculetele de pix din ele, se rupeau piciorusele de plastic, era aiurea."
mircea_popescu: "it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs "
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these.
asciilifeform: http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/slaktarnp90/media/IBM%20model%20M%20och%20N2/Tangentersidan.jpg.html
assbot: Från Sidan Photo by slaktarnp90 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1BclZtg )
mike_c: mircea_popescu: that one isn't ringing a bell, but it looks fun :)
danielpbarron: !up ben-of-the-casca
ben-of-the-casca: ty!
ben-of-the-casca: re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering
ben-of-the-casca: looking forward to being able to /explore tho
danielpbarron: i can sell you a stack of the item that gives you it :D
ben-of-the-casca: how much and how many?
danielpbarron: 23 for 0.01 ?
mod6: wat
ben-of-the-casca: let me get further bored by looking for the last item
ben-of-the-casca: unless mod6 just derps it over to me
mod6: waddya need?
danielpbarron: 1 of them isn't much; you don't get good results until it's mostly maxed out
ben-of-the-casca: not the rock, not the scratchings but that other thing
ben-of-the-casca: dpb aha
danielpbarron: for me it was the rock that i found last
danielpbarron: and someone had to lead me to it
mod6: oh those rocks
ben-of-the-casca: the renderings so fucked in my machine
mod6: i can give you one, i've only got 3.
ben-of-the-casca: i can see markers and items - but theyre just black
danielpbarron: my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet
danielpbarron: that's just if it's night time
ben-of-the-casca: OH
ben-of-the-casca: well then
mod6: dang
mod6: im getting 15-16 fps on my core i5 internal graphics card.
mod6: im the only guy in eulora right now
mod6: everyone else is at the club, making it rain
mod6: now if this kernel would just hurry up...
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html < sucks for usg employees
assbot: Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia1Kd0 )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162834 << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ?
danielpbarron: i haven't played a game that's like this in a long while
danielpbarron: it's annoying now, having to click so many times to do stuff, but I understand why each step is separate
danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production ☟︎
danielpbarron: and I upvote the named keys idea
danielpbarron: is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft?
danielpbarron: for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default
danielpbarron: and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts
decimation: usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets
cazalla: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australian-houses-are-just-glorified-tents-in-winter-20150610-ghj2ox TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for
assbot: Australian houses are just glorified tents in winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia3936 )
decimation: cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes
cazalla: decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw
decimation: heh
decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials? ☟︎
cazalla: low interest rates, deposits are given to kids from boomers, chinese investment and truckloads of negative gearing ensuring people have 4-5 investment properties
decimation: people have to have income to qualify for loans
decimation: does everyone get paid $200k?
cazalla: nah you don't need 200k salary, you can borrow a million on like 50k
decimation: heh
decimation: they've clamped down on lending in the us
decimation: you can't get a loan unless you have %20 and good credit
decimation: at least, not a good interest rate
cazalla: quick look then shows working couple who earn 50k each can borrow almost 700k
cazalla: over 30 years
decimation: wouldn't such a couple then be poor if they took such a 'deal'?
decimation: debt-slaves?
cazalla: mind you, that is pre-tax salary
cazalla: decimation, yeah most people are slaves.. 30 years ago it was possible for the average sole income working father, stay at home mum to buy a 1/4 acre block in the suburbs and raise 2-3 kids
cazalla: today you need both parents working full time with no kids or if you have kids, 1 or 2 at most put into childcare so the mother can pay half her wage for someone else to look after her kids while her other half goes on the mortgage
decimation: yeah that's how it is in most of the us today too
decimation: there's no fixed supply of dollars, so more people working just means more cost
cazalla: i don't even know why they do it tbh
decimation: well, now everyone is screwed
decimation: in the us the effect is worsened by the fact that near most major us cities you need to have dual incomes to 'earn' a spot in a decent school
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161917 << not bad btw ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 14:48:00; danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163037 << ayup ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 02:30:18; danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production
cazalla: decimation, here it is almost like every generation has to work twice as much for half of what their parents had
decimation: cazalla: I guess the most rational response would be to coordinate groups of people to move away from the dense cities and start new living areas
danielpbarron: speaking of which, is the leaky treebark flask design supposed to be blank?
cazalla: decimation, ah but there is no work in rural australia and if you are on welfare and move from an area of high employment to one of high unemployment, you get cut off
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163048 << the chinese ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 02:50:34; decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?
mircea_popescu: they have literally infinite USD
cazalla: decimation, so to go rural, you need enough money to own it upfront and enough to last you for however long you may live
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nope. it's supposed to have been fixed like three revisions ago o.O
cazalla: decimation, and rural.. as in the middle of nowhere, you are still paying more (100k-200k) than american suburbs
decimation: cazalla: yeah I guess my point is that they could start a new city there
decimation: but it sounds like that's already been priced out
decimation: why some wasteland in australia is worth $100k...
decimation: even good farmland in iowa goes for $5k an acre
cazalla: you can go cheaper - abandoned mining towns - but then you have to deal with fucked up water and environment
cazalla: might set you back 50k for that
decimation: yeah I agree with mircea, it sounds to me that the chinese have bid australia to the moon
cazalla: yeah, they can buy citizenship here too for 5 million so those clever chinese were giving the AU gov 5 million, borrowing the 5 million back from some chinese lender and then using that to buy 5 million in property once they got here
cazalla: i'd like to think it will end soon as i don't see how people can be squeezed any further at this point but asciilifeform reminded me that there is still much fat left to be trimmed
cazalla: fwiw, missus and i have no rent or mortgage and it is still hard
cazalla: so i imagine those people with mortgages will soon eat chum (dog food) if they are not already
decimation: yeah if they aren't already
cazalla: i mean, kid my age who lived on my street regularly ate his cat's cat food
mod6: omg and we have grub that works...
decimation: you can live on rice and beans pretty cheap
mod6: trinque's script & help got this pos up and running on gentoo hardened w/uclibc finally.
mod6: i had a problem with my disk paritions
cazalla: decimation, aussies like their meat, pet food or not
mod6 straps on a napkin and eats a sack of dead crows
decimation: better start hunting 'roos
decimation: or dingos :)
cazalla: birds might be easier tbh plus the abo word for budgerigar is good eating
cazalla: with no guns, having to spear or tackle a roo could get you killed, fucking things kick
decimation: heh oh yeah I forgot they took yer guns too
mircea_popescu: no guns in australia ? lmao
mircea_popescu: twerps, seriously.
decimation: mircea_popescu: how do you think they will be described by chinese historians 1000 years from now?
mircea_popescu: "aboriginals"
decimation: lolz
cazalla: yeah, bow and arrow ban in the pipeline too
mircea_popescu: same thing we called the papuans or w/e
cazalla: meh, they aren't really any abos left anyway, they are all half bloods at best
decimation: no, I think mircea meant the people who are willing to trade hard assets to the chinese in exchange for paper and promises
cazalla: but even if you're 1/8 abo, you can claim extra assistance from the government, so according to the census there are more abos than ever before
cazalla: yeah stupid thing that
decimation: the natives have the same racket here, and also in canada
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << empty hopper, will refill tomorrow. anyone who wants to get phuctored in short order, plz now.
decimation: asciilifeform: interesting the 'me.com' and 'mac.com'
asciilifeform: and yes, ~500MB product.
asciilifeform: (decimal, if feeling nitpicky)
asciilifeform: unrelated:
asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ apparently 'ibm model m' was itself a cheapening of a previous ancestral tech
decimation: asciilifeform: you ever heard of a 'model f'
decimation: aha it talks about them
asciilifeform: decimation: got one
asciilifeform: decimation: but not a modernized controller for it
asciilifeform: (the one it shipped with did not emit 'break' codes)
asciilifeform: the linked www is about an earlier-still keyboard, which used capacitance-based switches
decimation: asciilifeform: this guy sells controllers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-IBM-4704-Banking-System-Keyboard-TESTED-107-Key-Model-F-6020218-/281689692136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41960397e8
assbot: Original IBM 4704 Banking System Keyboard Tested 107 Key Model F 6020218 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lly7 )
asciilifeform: theoretically - eternal
asciilifeform: and (this is not stated, but i hypothesize) rf-quiet
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't want a usb controller...
decimation: heh I suspected no
decimation: still you could use his mod as a starting point
asciilifeform: ars longa vita brevis (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Beam_spring << more
assbot: Beam spring - Deskthority wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lPUU )
decimation: at any rate I like that keyboard for sale, lots of reassignable keys
decimation: also model f keyboards were full "nkro"
decimation: that might affect rf quietness
asciilifeform never had problems with rollover
decimation: yeah it really only matters for gamers who wann mash 5 keys at once
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Huge-IBM-5251-Mechanical-Beam-Spring-Keyboard-CLICKY-Display-Terminal-UK-/151686841869 << exists also on ebay. looks quite like the older of my two lispm keyboards (which did not click)
assbot: Vintage Huge IBM 5251 Mechanical Beam Spring Keyboard Clicky Display Terminal UK | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcBvp8 )
decimation: heh. I wonder if that's a serial output
asciilifeform: all keyboards have 'serial' output, one way or another
asciilifeform: but afaik none spoke traditional rs232. would've involved too much active logic.
decimation: yeah
decimation: the 'model f' I linked appears to have 'meta' key
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png << typical keyboard of the period. reversed (laboriously) by yours truly.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcCBkw )
decimation: asciilifeform: did you get it to work as 'ps/2'?
asciilifeform: decimation: no, but some german fella got it as usb.
asciilifeform: based on this sketch
asciilifeform: i had it as a parallel port widget for a while.
decimation: heh
decimation: has 'meta, super' keys?
asciilifeform: decimation: http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics2.jpg << old-style bottom; top - 'new'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6tG7z )
asciilifeform: (i have both)
cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/ ☟︎☟︎
assbot: Memo to Ethereum Foundation Council: impudence begins with calling your investors “donors” | StandardCrypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1eau47L )
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: thanks, whats that for?
Vexual: fluffypony: you should see the roo aside the road that flexes as though it might jump
Vexual: trollish fuckers would surely time a bound to land on one or your lions heads mario style
Vexual: you're not playing mp's doom wad punkman?
Vexual: eulora
punkman: I tried it
Vexual: any good?
punkman: if you like beta testing
Vexual: hey if i can build it i will come
punkman: there are binaries built already, you'll need to gpg for an account though
Vexual: what have you been doing?
Vexual: yes yes, a different affair from 12 months ago where i attempted to build
Vexual: it definately want ready then
Vexual: its a 3rd person 3d thing huh?
punkman: ye
Vexual: will it rift?
Vexual: ie is it low on bullshit lightning etc
Vexual: in any case it seems like many folks will wanna focus on it
Vexual: i heard about screenshots, but now that the logs are a 4 drink minimum, i missed em
punkman: !up Vexual
punkman: what's rift?
Vexual: the r headset thing
Vexual: *vr
Vexual: sold to facebook and microsoft
punkman: well everyone would want to use a headset looking under women's skirts
punkman: but probably not happening
Vexual: theres a jap demo for that
punkman: https://umbragame.com/about-the-game/
assbot: The Game | Umbra ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQR829 )
punkman: gotta say the CryEngine looks nice
Vexual: i thought u were all cga
punkman: Eulora would work nice as a MUD ☟︎
Vexual: whats the difference?
punkman: can't fit much in 320 pixels
Vexual: gotta pay someone to move around with text based advice?
Vexual: well mp did say new clients are welcomed
Vexual: play it on ur audi dash
Vexual: just dont confuse the maps
punkman: http://www.nber.org/papers/w15884
assbot: The Shanxi Banks ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQauuv )
Vexual: shit, ive heard the name, i never knew they fancied themselves as bankers
Vexual: do the girls dress fancy?
Vexual: prolly not
Vexual: i dont remeber a shanxigirl in nanjing
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8JnfbpHQ4k
assbot: Road To Shaanxi - Revelation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQb9fx )
punkman: !up Vexual
cazalla: https://i.imgur.com/QxXHbsS.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxRWgg )
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156223 < you can have that done by a 'pro' for a few bucks btw. totally worth it if your time has any value. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 18:55:43; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m)
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 < many lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/39mhko/does_eth_intend_to_release_financial_statements/cs4u4im ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
assbot: xcthulhu comments on Does eth intend to release financial statements, investor relations reports, etc.? ... ( http://bit.ly/1cSrsdj )
asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform: it was alive ?!
kakobrekla: > folks keep trying to offer me mining gigs in exotic places < lol, yeah i also can get a job as a diaper changer in a local nursery
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: key pump is back on, using somewhat faster proggy
mircea_popescu: cool!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently rewrite using something other than sqlite seems inevitable. db is getting abominably slow.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: any idea what causes it ? the lengthy P ?
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: it doesn't live in db
asciilifeform: just the overall size of the data set
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1B9S7EG.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvezIz )
kakobrekla: whats the current size of sqlite db?
mircea_popescu: is sql that bad that data set size chokes it ?!
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ~3.5G
kakobrekla: heh, put it to ram + snapshoots ?
asciilifeform: though i'm seeing conflicting info re: optimal size for these
mircea_popescu: how much ram would it eat, any idea /
kakobrekla: ~3.5G
kakobrekla: :D
kakobrekla: or dunno, dance with the devil and take the ssd :)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it's on a box mircea_popescu supplied, subcontracted from some orc
asciilifeform: overall pretty decent one
asciilifeform: but, afaik, no ssd
kakobrekla: lucky box isnt welded shut
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja eat the 24g or whatever it had for teh maths ? or can spare the 4g ?
asciilifeform: good deal of free mem
asciilifeform: but doing just about any of this would blow up the complexity of the thing 50x.
asciilifeform: will have to think
mircea_popescu: just set the db to ram, it has a switch
asciilifeform: this would work if i didn't have separate unix processes using it simultaneously.
asciilifeform: phuctor is really a severe abuse of 'sqlite'
asciilifeform: 'all database connections sharing the in-memory database need to be in the same process.' << from docs.
asciilifeform: (and pretty obvious)
mircea_popescu: heh myeah.
asciilifeform: 'ten pounds of shit in a two-pound bag' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: i don't think the bag makers can be blamed for this one
asciilifeform didn't blame the bag-makers
asciilifeform will have to stitch a new bag
kakobrekla: would moving the file to ramdisk make a diff?
kakobrekla: and using non in-memory db
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: doubtful. kernel is already caching disk
asciilifeform: plus i'd have to persist the thing -somehow-
mircea_popescu: does it cache it enough tho
asciilifeform: ipso facto not enough
mircea_popescu: so then does it have a knob
mircea_popescu: $ sudo sig-cache-more-plox kernel
mircea_popescu: you know templeos is only a step in that direction, i'd like to see unix skinned by valley girls, upper east side hipsters, mexicans, etc.
asciilifeform: there are knobs but, iirc, turning them risks data loss.
mircea_popescu: $ like totally what's even here ?
asciilifeform: templeos isn't a unix
mircea_popescu: i didn't say it was!
asciilifeform: not sure what 'skinned' is then
mircea_popescu: not more than you blamed the bag makers, at any rate
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: hehe
asciilifeform: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << good intro to subject
asciilifeform: in other news, there are giant wasps living in one of my walls.
mircea_popescu: spiders and all ?
asciilifeform: no idea what others. but the wasps are audible.
asciilifeform: ^ this is a known problem in this part of the world. once there was even a colony infesting side mirror of my brother's car. it was actually nifty, he could pull the mirror adjustment joystick and release swarm at passing cyclists
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i'd like a brother like that.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has sister ?
mircea_popescu: i do.
mircea_popescu: she just got married, actually.
asciilifeform: anything notable about the marriage ?
mircea_popescu: nope
asciilifeform wonders what lives in BingoBoingo's mega-car
asciilifeform: or pete_dushenski's
mircea_popescu: ah, that's easy. dead hookers.
asciilifeform: every car owner knows of animals 'preyed on' by the machines, but not always about the... revenge. there are beasts here, for instance (iirc groundhogs) which will chew through brake lines and coolant hoses
asciilifeform: like the famous rats of stalingrad, which chewed through delicious electrical cables, taking out tank turret rotators
asciilifeform: (by some accounts, only one side had 'tasty' cable insulation. but -which- side - varies)
mircea_popescu: heh
menahem: hey mircea_popescu, what is your backup plan? in the event someone like the USG ..tries.. to pwn you? mpex, coins, etc?
mircea_popescu: oh, in the event it ~tries~ ?
mircea_popescu: blog about it. haven't you noticed ?
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/TLvwKz1.png << mysterious object i saw in a movie. wonder if mircea_popescu can identify.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPLVwl )
asciilifeform: 'tineye' finds nothing, 'google images' finds toilets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00038517 = 1.9259 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: something photographed with a potato ?
asciilifeform: mno
mircea_popescu: cunt massager ?
mats: s.mpoe sleeps
asciilifeform: object sorta resembled the hypothetical device from old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896738 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.
mircea_popescu: why do you suspect that ?
menahem: ya, I have. mostly I guess in the event of physical illness.. an heir of sorts ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not even 40.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only suspected from the geometry. it's more or less exactly like i imagined it would look like.
mircea_popescu: and i intend to withdraw long before advanced age makes the crown too heavy to carry. i have a fucking life to live outside of public service.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah because the receptacle appears rigid. girls pee at many angles.
menahem: lol
menahem: sznipers, chemical concoctions, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, i once read a (ru) ph.d. dissertation on this subject.
asciilifeform: (re: anatomical variations and consequences thereof. based on thousands of hours of 'wild' pr0n from various nations)
mircea_popescu: menahem what you don't likely know is that i lived a decade and change of my life previously also with people tastiung my food etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems reasonable >D
menahem: in other words, you've mentally hard wired protections for yourself ?
mats: lol
mircea_popescu: in any case, how did that quote go, "i bequeath
mircea_popescu: bequeath “my sword to him that shall succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it.”
asciilifeform: convo with pet: 'her: why have you not opened mircea_popescu's champagne? me: it is for victory. her: and if you are defeated: me: enemy can drink it then'
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38D9CX6.txt )
mircea_popescu: eh you should drink it. for one thing, there's more for victory, and for another bottled champagne doens't keep forever.
kakobrekla: ill remove my line, dun worry.
asciilifeform: gotta go to victory soon, then, eh
kakobrekla: how long does the bottle last anyway?
mircea_popescu: a few years
menahem: it's well on its way, from what i gather.
mircea_popescu: it becomes more and more sec as the time goes by
kakobrekla: so the SEC will get sec wine, no problemos.
mircea_popescu: if they don't mind it yellow.
Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-6/DiamondMaria enjoy bros :p
assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4FUoZ )
Naphex: still fixing shitload of ui javascript issuess
Naphex: but there we go
fluffypony: Naphex: saw it announced on Reddit, well done
Naphex: fluffypony: thanks man
mircea_popescu fires up a normal browser
fluffypony: :-
fluffypony: p
fluffypony: ffs.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: javascript and flash required so fire up the lowly ones:P
fluffypony: for that sort of thing it is nice that Chrome has Flash baked in
mircea_popescu: fluffypony do not hate me because i am lithe!
fluffypony: but how will you browse without JavaScript animationzzzzz
Naphex: fluffypony: no idea :))
Naphex: so much to debug in angularjs
fluffypony: I have a love/hate relationship with Angular
fluffypony: it does so much that is awesome
fluffypony: but then...you know...JavaScript
Naphex: oh man... javascript
fluffypony: most depressing language
mircea_popescu: Naphex well everything loads but no video plays, dunno if there was supposed to play anything
mircea_popescu: nice clean look tho
Naphex: mircea_popescu: the first link went in pause try the browse channel
Naphex: mircea_popescu: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-19/Sonia
assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPNPNy )
mircea_popescu: ah kk
Naphex: mircea_popescu: a lot more to clean up and annoying js bugs around but yeha went fine:D
mircea_popescu: well browse's broken on this browser, no doubt on account of it being prolly too old. anyway.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: try chrome, only tested in chrome atm
Naphex: firefox blows up
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron bingoboingo an' any other b-a single gentlemen - if you want to try this out ima give you a bitcent to tip the chciks and then you can pester naphex with how broken it is. dump addies.
danielpbarron: unsafe:bitcoin:1FuKNdUgR1ytXnVNAiXCYS7whP99e2vj43?label=XotikaTV
danielpbarron: https://medium.com/bitcoin-think/the-bitcoin-gauntlet-e9e721297aca << starts off with a link and quote from trilema
assbot: The Bitcoin Gauntlet — Bitcoin Think — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPOCxN )
scoopbot_revived: The Birdcage http://trilema.com/2015/the-birdcage/
Naphex: btw, i'm hiring angular/javascript coders for the frontend. if anyone interested shoot me a /m \
Naphex: payments in bitcoin, ofc
danielpbarron: >> Ultimately this is yet another reason why Bitcoin is not money; it is something that is collectively controlled by consensus, unlike money which is accepted by consensus. In any new definition of money there should be a clause saying that its nature is independent of anyone's opinion or act.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: bring back plato
mxtm: lol
mxtm: that's hilarious
mircea_popescu: somebody didn't go to school.
mircea_popescu: Essentially, “Megablock Bitcoin” will be exactly like the Apple App Store. <<< mmmm yeah.
mircea_popescu: anyway, guy gets it.
danielpbarron: https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/what-is-bitcoin-s-value-proposition-b7309be442e3 << this guy also gets it
danielpbarron: >> This is in large part due to a nostalgia for the Bitcoin of the past. As Bitcoin grows, we cannot guarantee which parts of the accidental benefits will still be present. However, the fundamental properties must remain. Without it, Bitcoin offers nothing that isn't already offered.
mircea_popescu: cool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: footnote 2 is a winner
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922121 << related ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00038168 = 1.3397 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: exactly that.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly fair, in the same session i also explained my view on cheating on university examinations,
mircea_popescu: specifically that it is not merely cheating to be given in advance the questions which will constitute the exam (which, to my undying amazement, i found out is by now actually standard practice in the us), but even to be given any sort of selected reading material that contains a larger density of answers than the average for the entire world text.
mircea_popescu: usually known as "course material", ie, "these few pageswhich if you read, you should be able to answer anything"
mircea_popescu: fuck that stupid shit. go read.
asciilifeform: sorta reminds me of how i, as a boy, saw a brass band, and asked my father why they don't simply connect a compressor to the tuba and avoid the strain. and answered 'from this, just one step to dispensing with the tubist entirely'. and hence just the same here, from this just one small step to asking 'why even do this university thing'
mircea_popescu: no.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2014#729349 << obligatory mark tarver thread ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2014 00:11:01; mircea_popescu: After seven years of the new regime, I had the opportunity to compare the class of 1999 with the class of 1992. In 1992 I set an course in Artificial Intelligence requiring students to solve six exercises, including building a Prolog interpreter. In 1999, six exercises had shrunk to one; which was a 12 line Prolog program for which eight weeks were allotted for students to write it. A special class
mircea_popescu: university is important because the close physical proximity is a requisite for fucking in retards, and students are yet retarded
asciilifeform: thought that's what grade school was for
mircea_popescu: do you mean grad school or pre-highschool ?
asciilifeform: (2)
mircea_popescu: i doubt 14yo boys are sexually mature enough really.
asciilifeform: 'fucking in' << interesting term
asciilifeform: who gets 'fucked in' at university, and how ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00038168 = 8.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63637 @ 0.00038119 = 24.2578 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, "fucking in retards", like "reproduction in mammals"
mircea_popescu: <behaviour> in <group>
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: the non-retarded can fuck over telegraph ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4077 @ 0.00038384 = 1.5649 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well think, they can afford to fly.
mircea_popescu: but that said, the wot model does dispense with most of the previous advantages of university
mircea_popescu: so no, i don't see any sort of future for that model, which is EXACTLY why i pointed out to tim whatshisname that either he gets with the program or he goes live in the sewer.
asciilifeform: uni is really two (conflicting) beasts in one
asciilifeform: the adult camp, where various (presently, usg-ized to the point of utter inefficacy) folks play with electron microscope, etc
asciilifeform: and the kidz camp
asciilifeform: we don't actually have a replacement for the former, to pick off the shelf and screw in.
mircea_popescu: yes, we do. ideally you should have sharing.
mircea_popescu: like, you knock off to decimation and two friends over gossipd "can you ploxpoint your microtelescope at the x y z and send me the dump ?"
mircea_popescu: and they do it or not and there you go.
asciilifeform: aha but this requires a chum with access.
asciilifeform: this is how it is done today. and the chum 100% works in academitardia.
asciilifeform: (or he doesn't, and no microscope)
asciilifeform: see how it worked for schwartz
asciilifeform: he just wanted to borrow one piddling little torsion balance, aha.
mircea_popescu: he had no wot.
asciilifeform: this is not a defense of the 'old model', but merely pointing out that 1) it is dead, yes 2) we have no replacement for it, not even in the sense that a horse can replace a broken-down motorcycle
asciilifeform: we mostly have a broken motorbike and making 'zoom, zoom' sounds
mircea_popescu: so if i want a 3d printed item, which university i call ?
asciilifeform: bad example
mircea_popescu: you will notice that the capital base of the oldmodel is dying into irreelvancy
asciilifeform: 'printer' costs less than laptop
mircea_popescu: no, it's a great example, for this reason.
asciilifeform: there is ~no~ 'common man's' electron microscope
asciilifeform: nor, for fundamental physical reasons, is there likely to be
mircea_popescu: the middle of electron microscopes is thinning out.
asciilifeform: hence why i use this item as example
mircea_popescu: research either happens on 500 dollar 3d printers, or else on 500 trillion hadron colliders
mircea_popescu: thgere's going to be one of the latter and an infinity of the former.
mircea_popescu: and there's likely going ot be 0 of the middle.
asciilifeform: most practical work in experimental-anything actually happens on the 'middle' (as in, 'more than a car, less than a house' (tm) machinery)
mircea_popescu: yet.
mircea_popescu: most by headcount, least by value anyway
asciilifeform: better example of 'middle'. my local uni has a 1980s-style ic fab. just sitting there.
mircea_popescu: this is kind-of why it's so damned important we start making right things
asciilifeform: it isn't a '500 trillion collider' but definitely more than '500 printer'
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps the last diamond train to do so.
mircea_popescu: last one.
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: because it's unlikely you'll be able to in the future.
asciilifeform: ah, that.
mircea_popescu: just like if you wanted a good plate mail, have it made in 1650.
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html ☟︎
assbot: ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVyBaf )
asciilifeform: the 'unlikely in the future' thing is why i view the present situation as a dire one. at present, 'we' don't have access to any of these things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ftr : i don't expect the electric grid will cease to exist.
asciilifeform: (speaking only for self, sure)
mircea_popescu: i do expect the poor will stop having sewage.
mircea_popescu: i suppose a version of the above "make it now" is what drives your hoarding behaviour
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: sometimes, literally (i'm getting a crate of east german z80 in the post a month or so from now)
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: and more than a handful of 'cosmac's
asciilifeform: not like they take up much space.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu despairs of ever moving alf anywhere.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: everything 'archaeological' i have could probably fit in a small car boot.
asciilifeform: everything else is a 'middle'.
mircea_popescu: you know, YOU should probably start a harem
mircea_popescu: it can be purely platonic, "you may touch the instruments" thing
asciilifeform: 'outpatient' harem ?
mircea_popescu: alf & pet's magical hardware emporium.
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, you ever computed aggregate monthly utilisation of your capital goods ?
asciilifeform wonders in what part of the world gurlz are into archaeohardware
mircea_popescu: there's billions of them, and they are very educable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good question. do you remember what u. eco said when asked how many of the books in his library he has read ?
asciilifeform: (iirc it was 'if i had read them, why would i park them in my shelf')
mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit
asciilifeform if knew how to program gurlz, would be doing it now, rather than writing a list of items to fetch from maths lib. before it closes for the night
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 << lollercaust from coast to coast. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
mircea_popescu: and obviously mike & gavincoin's dog and pony show have yet to address the fact that "hey, we are ehtereum 2.0, we have the support of "investors" and so on"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163199 << the limit is not the engine but the graphics work. so far realtively little of that done. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 06:56:20; punkman: Eulora would work nice as a MUD
danielpbarron: http://kaykurokawa.blogspot.com/2015/06/front-running-decentralized-exchanges.html >> But they are wrong because a centralized exchange faces serious damage in its reputation and business if it is revealed that they are front running. Bitcoin hard liners will scoff at this idea but believe it or not, some systems work fine based on reputation and trust.
assbot: kaykurokawa: Front running Decentralized Exchanges: The problem with Augur, Bitshares, Nxt, and Counterparty ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvEwaQ )
danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00038384 = 8.3485 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: http://shitco.in/2015/06/13/life-is-a-pump-and-dump-front-run-the-xcp-pump/ << ah, this explains why
assbot: shitco.in | Life Is A Pump And Dump, Front Run The XCP Pump ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5NfK4 )
danielpbarron: >> Disclaimer: We are long XCP. While everyone was out chasing unicorn dust in alts, we have been accumulating XCP, bitchez.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "bitcoin hardliners" is becoming the #1 strawman. #shitlibertardssay
mircea_popescu: the opinions about the Mysts of Mystery emitted by fans of the power rangers and co.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1162961 << my laptop's b key has finally stopped working after years of the 'key' not actually being attached (the rubber bulb still worked) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 01:27:23; asciilifeform: today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)
danielpbarron: I now have to use a full size keyboard plugged into my laptop; thing might as well be a desktop now especially since wifi hasn't worked ever since I switched from ubuntu to gentoo
danielpbarron: it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible)
mircea_popescu: you could map it...
kakobrekla: or just use 'lorrd', 'nonscamcoin', and 'the fairy tale' instead.
mircea_popescu: llol
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what laptop is it you have where you can't find a new kbd on, e.g., 'ebay' ? a 'tadpole' ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00038517 = 11.2084 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: i haven't looked
trinque: danielpbarron: to the xmodmap with ye
danielpbarron: it didn't occur to me to even try replacing a keyboard on a laptop
danielpbarron is ok with occasionally reaching to the floor to press the 'b' key
asciilifeform: '-- my tyre has a nail in it. car won't go straight. -- have you tried finding a swap? -- haven't looked'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: generally, i won't even keep a laptop in the house unless i have several 'organ donors' for it
kakobrekla: same here
danielpbarron takes notes
asciilifeform: in other 'news,'
asciilifeform: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/_niece/3991032/81266/81266_original.jpg << empress maria theresa whipping her childrenz.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Baqxkj )
asciilifeform: ('national museum,' warsaw)
mod6: <+danielpbarron> it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible) << reminds me of my broken 'O' key on my asus laptop these guys saw at c3. i still havent fixed it. haha.
asciilifeform: what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ?
asciilifeform: how many three-legged tables, chairs ?
asciilifeform mildly horrified
mod6: i have a $100 car that the drivers side window doesn't roll down, and the passenger side doesn't roll up. no rear view mirror (it fell off) and the side mirror is taped on with Ninja Turtle ductape.
mod6: (it's like -25 F sometimes here in the winter. try driving down the freeway with that!)
mod6: but the idea here is that i put no $ into it, and when the wheels fall off, i'll pitch the keys on the seat and go find another.
asciilifeform: mod6: you can get schematics and parts list for just about any car on ru warez
mod6: *nod* i went so long without a car, it's hard for me to spend any money on that stuff at all. if i could still get away with not having one, i would.
mod6: speaking of which... i think i've got one wheelbearing that's about to sieze
mod6: sounds horrible. lol
mod6: i used to wrench on stuff a lot myself, but now (last ~15 years) have no time. too much comp stuff to work on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0003785 = 10.3709 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: my old man would be horrified that i don't fix the shit on my car. he was a "car guy". used to wrench on stuff, build his own racecars, was an expert mechanic.
mod6: but w/e.
trinque: pain in the ass to work on cars if you don't have the right garage setup to do it
mod6: that's about 75% of the battle yes. tools + place to work on the stuff.
trinque: I still change my oil in the apt parking lot, but wouldn't bother with much more than that
mod6: i haven't changed the oil on this pos since i bought it. but then again, i've only put on like 2800 miles.
mod6: i don't drive very much, and if i do, it's not very far.
mod6: i guess i did throw in a quart once. but that doesn't count. sob is probably dying to have the filter & oil changed.
trinque: haha
trinque: making oil candles in there
mod6: yeah, it's not good. its a 2000 oldsmobile.
mod6: rust all over.
mod6: i actually got a decent deal on it for $100, it would probably be $1000 if i bought it from a used car lot or something. bought it from a friend.
mod6: the car we saw in .ar with the clubs, that's probably a $3 car. lol
mod6: damn thing probably runs tho. *shrug*
trinque: I once sold a car for $125, was probably in way worse shape than yours
trinque: 87 300zx with about 250k on it
mod6: hshaha
trinque: exhaust pipe rusted off ☟︎
mod6: nice.
trinque: I still drove it at that point
trinque: bumper started melting lol
mod6: hahah, that's awesome.
trinque: slammed bad going 1st-2nd-3rd
trinque: interior was leather at one point
mod6: i just can't figure it out why someone would want to pay $300/mo for 6-7 years on a car loan for something "new" or "reasonable"
trinque: but then... dust
trinque: lol
trinque: mod6: it's a scam
trinque: I'll drive my current vw til it catches fire
mod6: haha, man old worn leather does not hold up good. i know what you mean.
mod6: tranny was bad too 'eh
trinque: yup
trinque: had a lot of fun in that car though, got it at 16
mod6: i once had an 1983 pontiac perrisan <sp> station wagon. it had 300`000 miles on it. got it for $750. it always made me laugh because when i shut it off, it would keep knocking for like ~20 seconds. then backfire super loud.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038517 = 10.284 BTC [+]
trinque: haha, settle down grandpa
trinque: *car goes to sleep*
mod6: yah srsly. it was a 9 passenger vehicle.
mod6: i looked idiotic driving it around, im sure.
mod6: but that was back in the day where cars were still made with full steel frames. thing weighed 4000 lbs.
mircea_popescu fondly remembers his two ton mercedeses
mod6: had a chev 305 in it. ran pretty nice.
trinque: in the good old days, *you* were the crumple-zone
mod6: haha, yes
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ? << my (**picks up keyboard**) bicycle's breaks are shot and the gear shifter is sketchy
danielpbarron: t-shirts have holes in them, iphone won't charge unless i rubber band the cable into the right position, etc..
mod6: my old man had one of the 1983 mercedes 380SLs.. but yeah i don't think it weighed nearly as much as those bigger frame ones like yours (MP) or Pete D's.
danielpbarron: tea kettle's pin that the valve pivots on is loose and falling out
mod6: well, and that thing was a convert too.. so, obv less weight there.
mod6: heh, it shipped with .de license plates
mod6: sweet, kernel is done
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3398 @ 0.00038509 = 1.3085 BTC [-]
mod6: this pos box, i can hear the disk spining. "GRRRR GRRRR GRR GGRRRRRRR"
mod6: smh
mod6: i paid more for this pos then the damn car.
mod6: ok here we go...
mod6: grub works.
mod6: ok all gravy.
mod6: $conference
mod6: !conference
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66020 @ 0.0003888 = 25.6686 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5580 @ 0.0004082 = 2.2778 BTC [+]
mod6 wonders off to create a guide
jurov: wonders?
jurov: and i wondered off the eulora server. event will take place after chetty fixes it.
mod6: derp *wanders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.00040567 = 2.2454 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28564 @ 0.00041722 = 11.9175 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163496 <<< it's still way off its highs of $8-9 when it claimed it could now do whatever ethereum is planning to do ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:52:56; danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163461 <<< this orlov guy.. i've enjoyed reading some of his stuff but i can't figure out what sort of man buys a boat but does not have funds tucked away for upkeep/maintenance or new engine ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:28:03; asciilifeform: obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163555 <<< how does this shit pass rego or do you not have yearly rego checks on the car? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 19:35:58; trinque: exhaust pipe rusted off
trinque mumbles something about forgiveness vs permission
jurov: lucky bastards. i was caught, was not fined but had to prop up my old daewoo by about 300 euro (using dubious parts) to keep it legal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41053 @ 0.00041202 = 16.9147 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: should have got a golf.
jurov: well, something something hindsight. it was relatively luxurious, got it from a friend who cared for it, and it did work fine for 2 years.
jurov: !up kalki
kakobrekla: i paid more bitcoins than you euros for mine tho.
jurov: hi kalki, you can speak now
kalki: thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on Trilema not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just seeking some soun ☟︎
kalki: thanks!
funkenstein_: kalki, which gpg client?
kalki: also, I am noticing that when I log in to #bitcoin-assets, just before it transports me to the room, it says at the bottom of the screen that this nickname is already taken and that I should verify ownership or something... I assume this means that I need to find a new nickname and that it is not talking about me just because I have been using it a couple months here..
kalki: funkenstein, it is the latest mac client 2015.06
funkenstein_: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt )
funkenstein_: i don't mac, but methinks you can add a couple special chars without losing entropy
kalki: funkenstein, the wiki says for WOT that I should generate a gpg if I dont already have one... so do folks typically use just one key? or is it smart to have a seperate one for WOT distinct from communication etc?
kalki: also thanks for your help!
funkenstein_: no prob :) I have only one, it's easier that way. But if you want another distinct identity you can make as many as you want.
jurov: if you're a beginner, no use to complicates tuff by using multiple keys
kalki: jurov, funkenstein, ok and thanks again I shall proceed
jurov: n
pete_dushenski: kalki: don't worry too much about the 'advice' of the newest mac pgp client
pete_dushenski: it's designed to be 'user-friendly' for fiatheads who typically use the same password everywhere
pete_dushenski: not that you can't add a few symbols or make the second-last letter of every diceware word a capital if you so desire
kalki: ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...? ☟︎
pete_dushenski: i haven't used the newest mac version, but it doesn't usually take that long
pete_dushenski: not to worry
pete_dushenski: also depends on the size of the key you're generating
pete_dushenski: and the machine you're using.
jurov: ^ mentioning that, if you plan to use the key seriously, use 4096bit
pete_dushenski: just looking at 'gpg suits 2015.06' update and it actually adds some sensible improvements to the default settings
pete_dushenski: 1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message ☟︎
pete_dushenski: 5) removed 1024 bit key option
pete_dushenski: for ethereum posterity : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-20369 ☟︎
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQxmsc )
cazalla: they tried their best pete_dushenski, is that not good enough for you?!
punkman: my favourite words from the ethereum transcript: "strategic visioning"
pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol i guess i'm one of those unreasonable assholes who doesn't understand how the world works
cazalla: oh god https://twitter.com/Blockchain_Memo/status/607955408360218624 ☟︎
pete_dushenski: punkman: it's the kind of thing readily accomplished while sitting on the toilet
pete_dushenski: thus making it... accessible.
pete_dushenski: "strategic visioning" doesn't require that anything even be written down
pete_dushenski: it's more of a sense of things to come, a feeling of how valhalla might look
punkman: "when I was at Visa, I was leading an R&D group on Machine Learning that was experimenting with Hadoop for near real-time analytics of purchases. anyway we worked a year on that thing, and it was awesome, but one day we get invited by another group at Visa who want to show us something ‘amazing'."
punkman: "turns out my team and theirs had been working on the same thing and we didn’t even know about each other."
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell bingoboingo that 'reddit outrage' piece is impossible to read dude. breaking start-up/startup into two words might give you two s.qntr shares but it makes shit unreadable and frankly a bit annoying. tighten it up, smarten it up, eh.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sQZLtsfp8
assbot: AZIS - Hop / АЗИС - Хоп - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2RYYS )
jurov: the chan needs some faggotry
punkman: we've done azis before
cazalla: damn, that is faggy
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> how many three-legged tables, chairs ? << i for one would rather have three-legged furniture: 3 points define a plane; any more and you have an overconstrained and rocking system
menahem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163644 << bahaha, travis patron. "Travis Patron is a singularity researcher and cybereconomist most well-known for his thought leadership into digital economies such as bitcoin... You can find him in Toronto, apathetic towards voting while hunting banksters for spare organs." ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 22:26:32; pete_dushenski: 1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message
Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-17/RoyalTiffany xD
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