jurov: BingoBoingo: would it be interesting for qntra how czech financial cops investigated bitcash.cz "theft"?
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mircea_popescu: (pete will no doubt notice that ALL THE VEHICLES ARE MERCEDES_
assbot: California Proposes Bill To Ban All Unlicensed Bitcoin Businesses, Without Even Defining What That Means | Techdirt ... (
http://bit.ly/1B6cqFd )
decimation: banks, gov't, etc are 'exempt' of course
trinque: decimation: eh more like "one member of the california legislature proposes"
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 296.71, Best ask: 296.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 296.89, 24 hour volume: 25417.80268383, 24 hour low: 291.0, 24 hour high: 298.75, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: kinda goes a long way to show the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you.
jurov: ;;ticker --market all
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jurov: dunno how it chooses, by volume?
BingoBoingo surprised no one's commenting on Jurov being in line for his own s.qntr shares
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decimation: re: the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. < yes, this is noted. every day reveals a bit more of its true self, if only in its fantasies
decimation: ^ author of the above was in army, had a son in the army, son died in iraq
decimation: he is now on a krazy korner railing against usg
decimation: yet he has given his life and his own son in service of usg, and accomplished nothing
decimation: reminds me of that tlp piece about hating the system so much you want it to like you
mircea_popescu: dude, la revolucion is so fucking banal. always the same moves.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is the so called stupid wife paradox. it goes like this : when she's young she thumbs her nose at submission, because hey, she's not "that kind of girl". so she finds a husband instead, spends two-three decades discovering that it's a rotten deal, then gets to live with teh regret.
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course the french philosophes pretty much founded the 'revolutionary intellectual' archetype
mircea_popescu: look into the abomination of "courtly love" to see 1100ad shitgnomism en fleur.
decimation: yeah, but the french revolution is a clean presentation of the modern 'revolutionary intellectual' and the consequences if he gains power
mircea_popescu: certainly more amply documented in "not dead" languages.
decimation: plus the history of the french revolution is still shrouded by those who have a stake in its outcome
mircea_popescu: heck, folks still speak greek. and it's certainly more mutually intelligible with classical greek than current english with high english.
decimation: english arose because some retarded vikings living in the netherlands couldn't speak german
decimation: yeah, germany still hasn't steamrolled all of its accents
mircea_popescu: but anyway, anyone guess what "hron rade" denotes, in "english" ?
mircea_popescu: (i'll help by pointing out that alf's device in discussing xerxes is structurally similar but stylistically very indicative of the changes in society since then)
mircea_popescu: anyway : "the sea" is the hellespont (which is what xerxes ordered flogged) in the same way hron (whale's) rade (road) is the sea.
mircea_popescu: one's categorical symbolization, the other's a kenning.
decimation: kennenlernen means 'familiarity' in german
mircea_popescu: the story is, that a london redditard (poor kid from periphery) visited some peasant family once
mircea_popescu: which was impressive to him, because a) they had food and b) good living conditions (as compared to shitlondon of the time)
mircea_popescu: so one time when a horse neighed, he got all scared. but the farmer told him to relax, horse just does that, it's called neighing and it never killed anyone.
mircea_popescu: time for bed, and in the early morning a very morose londoner sat with his breakfast.
mircea_popescu: btw, re "useful idiots", anyone actually read Mona Charen ?
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mircea_popescu: "In Western democracies, even in the U.S. where the hostility to regulation is greatest, there is a vast amount of central decision-making, but day to day decisions are left to market forces. A lot of the regulation - everything from bolt threads to type fonts - is carried out by tens of thousands of standardization agreements worked out by the industries involved. The solutions that arise aren't always optimal, but th
mircea_popescu: ey usually end up being workable. After two decades of fumbling, we have settled on a de facto standard for computer operating systems. It has imperfections - some serious - but it generally works. Imagine being saddled with a computer architecture defined by some central planning committee in 1983. At about that time, someone in the U.S. Government realized with horror that all the standardization agreements mentioned
mircea_popescu: above were being made and enforced with no government oversight. So the Government convened some hearings. The unanimous consensus, even by Ralph Nader, was that attempting to regulate this process was an invitation to chaos. "
mircea_popescu: lawl. this guy misread so much of recent history i'm giving up on reading it.
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mod6: so i made some additional changes to the modified pogo script. anyone wanna help me test quick? I tested it myself, but it'd be cool if someone else can verify.
mod6: what's changed? 1) added some checks to see if boost,bdb,openssl are already built, if so, skip re-downloading & building 2) added a 'clean' command line parameter so you don't have to do this manually
mod6: yup, it just simply utilizes the makefile. but this way a person only has to run `auto.sh`
mod6: yeah, makefiles are touchy
decimation: asciilifeform: if make is so terrible, why is it ubiquitous?
decimation: it's not like it 'fits into the cpu' like C does
decimation: mod6: you could have enumerated in octal and saved a few characters :)
mircea_popescu: decimation no. jwzery. this attitude whereby one's excused from political involvement.
mircea_popescu: "so what if make sucks, not like i have the responsibility to find and support an improvement. i just type here."
mircea_popescu: "so the wife's a nag ? doesn't mean i /have to/ beat her until she desists. build mancave instead." on it goes. politicians are idiots ? self-appoint as "better than this" and that's that, work done. not like you have to shoot the bad politico if you can't vote him out. what, /have to/ ?!
mircea_popescu: not the right sort of morals, these, that are actionable. gotta have some of a more theoretical sort.
mod6: ima invite you to #btcf
mod6: we'll keep the noise outta here, unless you want ... NOISE :)
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's common in the us for a usg employee to regard himself as 'apolitical' because he wasn't elected
mircea_popescu: what's it change tho. it's common for rapists to regard themselves as "good fathers" and so forth, because she was asking for it or w/e.
mod6: ok... so. lets see here. i do think that ascii updated his key since then...
mod6: but i don't ever get that error... although, someone else has seen it before iirc.
decimation: mod6: i'm running into a bad sig error too
danielpbarron: oh i just realized that the script potentially uses a different key than the one i have stored
mod6: it /shouldnt/ matter because it puts a .gnupg dir in the place where you run the script from. we didn't want it to diddle with your normal keyring in ~/
mod6: unless you ran it from ~/
mod6: did you guys make new dirs to build this stuff in?
mod6: what does `gpg --version` say?
decimation: I'm using 2.0.14 (comes with centos 6)
mod6: hmm, still, should be ok. i just re-ran on my side and got: >> Signature verified for bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
decimation: :signature packet: algo 1, keyid B98228A001ABFFC7
mod6: what's weird to me... is that the log output that danielpbarron pasted, it says "good signature"
decimation: Importing public keys to .gnupg keyring...
decimation: ~/bitcoin-v009/build/chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
mod6: oh that wasn't from the log output. ok. i wonder why it would puke for you guys, but not for me... although, im running 1.4.10
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decimation: asciilifeform: try it on your gentoo box
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mircea_popescu: you know it's be so great if someone made a client that auto-pastebinned
mod6: i suppose it could be some weird regex failure... although, what danielpbarron pasted as a manual verify should have matched this:
mod6: 313 if($_ =~ /^.*Good signature.*$/) {
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decimation: I get a buncha errors in the gpg_import.log
mod6: can you post those decimation?
mod6: asciilifeform: what script was that?
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mod6: oh we're all discussing them pulling down the patch files, verifing the patch sigs and patching the base code
trinque: gpg is fouling up not finding the keyring
decimation: it's a little weird to use $HOME that isn't $HOME
mod6: decimation: fair. i'll change that next time through.
mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3# xxd build-v009.pl | grep "0d0a"
mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3#
mod6: yeah, must be pastebin :/
decimation: asciilifeform: everything feels free to mangle a passing cr I guess
mod6: i use pastebin more often because it does forever-pastes .. guess.. i just have to set dpaste for a year
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
mod6: decimation: huh, just looked at that error. must be something with 2.x version i'll have to fix0r.
mod6: can you change expiry on that guy for like 1 year?
decimation: yeah obviously some kind of permission problem
mod6: if you run it again and you don't have $FULL_CLEAN set to "TRUE", you'll need to delete ~/build/.gnupg manually.
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin' << kakobrekla said we're supposed to use dpaste.
mod6: ugh. anyway, i was hoping this would be the /easy/ part and we could actually test the part that needs testing lol.
decimation: mod6: I set $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE" and it didn't do anything different
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mod6: decimation: ok. that's fine. not sure what it's deal is.
mod6: thanks for giving it a shot.
decimation: it's probably a good idea to get it working on centos6 because that's pretty much the 'amazon linux' shit
mod6: eh, all around it's not much of an issue with the perl script, because no one will run that ever anyway.
mod6: i'll use it to patch the source code, then i'll bundle up the release.
mod6: everyone will start with an already patched codebase, unless they want to patch it manually or wrestle with one of the 2 scripts we have for this purpose
mod6: it seems, everyone has a mixed bag so it's hard to account for all of that i think.
decimation: yeah cross-platform is a pain in the ass
mod6: asciilifeform: this is the correct key to pull for you right?
mod6: decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine.
mod6: oh, i guess im running a deb6 ami up there.
mod6: and yeah, im using gpg 1.4.10 there too
mod6: so centos6 might have issues if gpg 2.x, so maybe i just need to get my head out of my ass and add some code for that.
trinque: mod6: I got through the patching script fine on latest gentoo
trinque: what shell is supposed to be running the next one
mod6: it's a bourne shell script /bin/sh
trinque: I think in debian sh is dash, maybe?
mod6: ahh, just take off those params then. it doesn't need 'em i don't think.
mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.
☟︎ mod6: thanks for testing trinque
mod6: did you get through the perl script ok alf?
trinque: mod6: no problem, chugging along in the build
mod6: no, the perl script is a separate thing that grabs the v0.5.3 base code and then patches it. then `auto.sh' pulls bdb,openssl,and boost and builds 'em and then builds the static bitcoind
mod6: for all: keep in mind if you're not running the test on a x64 machine, you'll probably have to edit the vars on lines 4, 6 & 8
decimation: interesting, it seems that it works just fine on amazon linux
mod6: ok so your amazon linux is running gpg v 1.4.10?
danielpbarron: oh uh.. i'm not running on a x64 machine (if that means bits in processor)
mod6: danielpbarron: yeah, that'll be a problem. what os/arch are you on?
mod6: asciilifeform: because how we'll roll out the release: 1) I'll patch the source myself and put it in a 'bitcoin' directory 2) i'll place the 'auto.sh' in the same parent directory as 'bitcoin' directory 3) tar those up 4) end user will unpack archive and execute `auto.sh'
mod6: so in the end the downloading/patching of the v0.5.3 base code won't be necessary since it'll already be complete.
mod6: danielpbarron: ok, change line 4 to: "32", line 6 to: "x86_32" and line 8 to: "linux-x86_32"
mod6: i've never tested this on 32bit so this is a first.
trinque: decimation: did you try changing that home var to something else?
trinque: I search and replaced mine with BUILD_DIR
danielpbarron: of what, auto.sh ? I hadn't even gotten that far yet
mod6: while you're at it danielpbarron comment out line 130 of "auto.sh" so I can have you run one other command if you get through the static build.
mod6: (130 = "strip" command)
danielpbarron: no sorry i'm just distracted by the 3d gun guy trying to impress me on twitter
mod6: at the end of the static build there are 2 ugly warnings, but they're just warnings. so no worries.
mod6: np, thanks for your help.
decimation: it might be that the umask on the amazon box is group writable, but isn't on my centos6 obx
mod6: hmm. noted. thanks decimation
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:00:14; asciilifeform: to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious
decimation: you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks
☟︎ decimation: (add it to your gpg command line in the script)
mod6: decimation: nice find!
danielpbarron: idk, twitter makes up the number; that's what it would have cost me to promote it myself (if not for wilson himself actually replying to it and getting it free attention)
decimation: see if that's backwards compatible to gpg v1
danielpbarron: nobody every "actually replies" to stuff on social media
decimation: it seems that the telegraphers circa 1880 had better technology for sharing information
decimation: ok my centos6 box appears to lack 'realpath'
mod6: also removed $HOME for $BUILD_DIR
mod6: s/--lock--never/--lock-never/
decimation: ok that kinda works, except it deletes all the sources except bitcoin
mod6: oh crap, lol, i didn't change the $BUILD_DIR back to "CHANGEME" derp
mod6: yeah, that's its default behavior. if you don't want it to delete the stuff, just change $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE"
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mod6 looks at danielpbarron's paste
decimation: sigh, no package realpath is available
mod6: yeah, that's required from the original pogo script.
mod6: there's a realpath bin you can install iirc
mod6: danielpbarron: try editing the script and getting rid of the -xu thing after /bin/sh
mod6: im glad we're all trying this now.
danielpbarron: bash: ./auto.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
mod6: one sec, i'll get you a new one. pastebin fucked us.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:33:50; asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing
decimation: danielpbarron: windows adds an extra character to the end of each line
danielpbarron: why can't i see these extra characters; vi on openbsd would show them
decimation: donno. emacs with whitespace mode shows them
mod6: yeah, pastebin sticks on CRLF's... like a derp
mod6: so ... i guess perhaps we try with dpaste and see.
mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.
☟︎ decimation: mod6: on centos6 you can use /bin/readlink -f to substitute for 'realpath'
mod6: ah! ok good to know.
mod6: yeah, that works too. cool
mod6: thanks, that's good. i'll have you do a `cd bitcoin/src ; readelf --dynamic bitcoind` when its complete.
mod6: i haven't compiled on a 32bit system yet so this is a great test.
decimation: the 'installing docs' step is really slow
mod6: yeah, it's like 60mb or something.
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decimation: stupid redhat doesn't supply zlib-static by default
decimation: nano redhat calls static pthread pthread_nonshared.a
mod6: hrm. ok, i'm gonna try building without -l dl and -l z
mod6: ok thanks danielpbarron.
mod6: i'll have to figure out what needs to be different in the 32 bit version.
decimation: ok I got it to compile on centos6 but I had to add the following to the end of the linking command line: -static-libgcc -Wl,-Bstatic -l pthread_nonshared -Wl,-Bdynamic -l m -l dl
decimation: apparently centos doesn't come with a static libdl or libm
danielpbarron: it might be the thing i ran into last time i tried this
danielpbarron: i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw"
mod6: i wanna say that i ran into that as well.
mod6: cant recall for sure though
mod6: i'll know in a minute.
decimation: /build/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): In function `dlfcn_globallookup': dso_dlfcn.c:(.text+0x31): undefined reference to `dlopen'
danielpbarron: i just changed it and it gave same error, but maybe because I didn't start from scratch
mod6: danielpbarron: i think you have some other issues going on probably.
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decimation: asciilifeform: whatever you thought you knew about openssl is truer than you thnk
danielpbarron: oh wait, i want to be compiling this for arm don't I?
mod6: danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably.
decimation: asciilifeform: does this really dynamically load crypto from disk at runtime?
decimation: who would ever think that is a good idea?
decimation: imma gonna load me critical pathways from a random .txt
decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable."
decimation: and then fails to name a single reason
mod6: <+asciilifeform> see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go' << I'm with you .
decimation: at any rate, you can probably cut n paste the parts of openssl you need
mod6: at some future point, we'll get the crypto libs built in directtly.
decimation: is there a 'configure' arg you can pass to get rid of the -ldl stupidity
mod6: ok if i re-add back in "-l dl" into the makefile, then I get this:
decimation: how did you get yours working asciilifeform?
mod6: which works, because those are just warnings. it does output a bitcoind in the bitcoin/src dir
decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso'
☟︎ mod6: pre-heart bleed? like 0.9.8o or whatever?
decimation: not that heartbleed really matters for our purposes
decimation: or have we not snipped the rpc stuff yet
mod6: well, it was 0.9.8o that was giving us the issues with the tx in the 168`001 block
decimation: yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded
☟︎ mod6: no, not yet. i've been focused on just getting a release out.
danielpbarron: mod6> danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably. << ahh you called it the "modified pogo script" which gave me the wrong impression.. but I understand what you meant now
mod6: ahh, my bad. sorry I didn't clairify
mod6: decimation: so no-dso gets passed to the openssl build?
decimation: yeah you put it on the Config arg line
mod6: ok, sweet, i'll give that a try now.
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mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.
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decimation: ok I have to dynamically link -l m and now it works without -l dl
mod6: alright gents, i added 'no-dso' to the openssl configure and removed "- dl" from the makefile, and it compiled just fine:
decimation: except for the dynamic -l m and pthread_nonshared
mod6: well, that's good to know i guess in case of RH
mod6: so i'll re-submit that makefile patch and what will be v0.0.5 of the mod'd pogo script (with 'no-dso')
decimation: ok you have to install glib-static on redhat
mod6: that bitcoind does run and start pulling blocks btw too
decimation: yes, 'strip out all the static libs 'cause it saves space'
mod6: i'll do some more sync testing once I get the changes we found tonight resubmitted to the mailing list.
mod6: this was highly productive tonight; I thank you all who helped!
mod6: still have a moutain of work ahead, but we're on a good track.
decimation: ok so the only remaining redhatism is to strip out the 'realpath' thing and add '-l pthread_nonshared to the makefile
mod6: you too. many thanks.
mod6: decimation: i think, in interest of time.. perhaps (with your help/testing) we'll post a patch for the makefile & the auto.sh post release.
mod6: or at least once we have a "freeze"
mod6: then going forward, we'll add in more conditions into these things to account for various platforms/configurations
danielpbarron: and removed "- dl" from the makefile << where is this?
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mod6: danielpbarron: it would have been like line 34
mod6: i think 33 was "-l w"
mod6: im getting laaaaaged
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Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ?
☟︎ Adlai: asciilifeform: works for me just fine
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mircea_popescu: <mod6> decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine. << hehehe
mircea_popescu: mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.
mircea_popescu: decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." and then fails to name a single reason << the actual reasons are not the point, the statement that "there are reasons" is the point. fashion, no substance. you wanna be with the in crowd, don't you ? be hip, upgrade. there are reasons.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:39:03; asciilifeform: if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 05:15:44; asciilifeform: qntra ddos ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:19:56; decimation: asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all
mircea_popescu: trilema's been getting a shitton of traffic past week, maybe you got it on a blink.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 05:19:15; Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ?
Adlai: there are so few situations where it's remotely helpful to have an assault rifle in full auto, afaict the risk of accidentally using full auto in any other situation make it "wasach" but nothing more
Adlai: "wasach" = army slang, from arabic 'weight' - ie, extra weight which doesn't help you, but you carry it around to look tough
mircea_popescu: they're not that few, if you're actually fighting. as opposed to what regular armies regularly do.
Adlai: a bit of training and you can give MUCH better cover with *aimed* selective fire
mircea_popescu: with batallion size deployments rolling auto is much more effectual than "selective" whatever, because people are weird. sorta like how women living together synch periods, soldiers end up all looking in the same spot.
Adlai: you can drain a 30 round magazine in ~10 seconds and get most of your shots on target, and all of them in the right direction; or drain it in ~3 seconds, overheat your barrel, and kill half your friends
Adlai: there are situations where "spraying" is exactly what you want, but there are better tools for that than 'assault rifle'
mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is a shrinking space.
Adlai: on the contrary, there's a lot less picking off enemies hundreds of meters away, and a lot more 'clearing rooms'
mircea_popescu: it comes to us from a time of emplaced machine guns and stuff
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mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is rarer and rarer
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Adlai: 'situations where full auto is what you want', or 'firearm which usefully implements full auto' ?
Adlai maintains that both of these are INcreasing, but neither has anything to do with the AR15 family
fluffypony: I don't know enough about firearm development to speak to the second
mircea_popescu: "but brother, why do you try to rescue cost savings ? you know it;s in its nature to sting you". "yes. but it is in my nature to be stingy."
Adlai: full auto is very useful in urban "kill everything" warfare. no country likes admitting that's what they're training for, but they train for this too.
Adlai: that's what it's called
mircea_popescu: the only thing that's useful in urban warfare is hiding.
Adlai: and artillery/air support, with a few guidance chips
mircea_popescu: hey, half the us casualties, gotta provide them somehow.
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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. << true enough :]
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[]bot: Bet placed: 15.4 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July"
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fluffypony: cazalla: the comment about the incorrect use of "allegedly" is right, though
fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P
☟︎ Adlai: the allegation here is that the auctions were theater
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fluffypony: doesn't matter, the term is still used incorrectly
fluffypony: "apparently" would be a more appropriate term
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.0006 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July"
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assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 01:56:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept
Adlai: ben_vulpes: for one, read macros
ben_vulpes: i've yet to get to read macros in my studies
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ben_vulpes: re: 'mit' - feeder college for northrup grumman and loyal derpy armsmiths
Adlai: please don't go full cultard
Adlai: that's kinda like saying #b-a is feeder college for altcoin creators
ben_vulpes: sour grapes re youth wasted on the young
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:58:53; mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 21:30:54; trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port
trinque: ben_vulpes: sleep? never heard of it
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:17:11; decimation: you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:39:21; mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.
ben_vulpes: so basically pwn the vm layer, pwn txn validation possibly?
ben_vulpes: knowing c it's probably just like hell breaks loose in the operating system
ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: surely that's a paranoid jump too far.
ben_vulpes knows nothing about external libs and safety in c
Adlai: if you're going that far, a better approach would be inserting something that reports wallet.dat+password to a remote server, which waits until there's something worth stealing. one day, "all the bitcoins are gone"
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assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:41:19; decimation: yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded
ben_vulpes: i kind of have to assume that any hardware i touch these days is wholly compromised
Adlai: fwiw, sending a relay node your transactions is no guarantee that a miner will see them
ben_vulpes: i'd actually like to see relay rules opened up
ben_vulpes: but i suppose that's what gossipd's for
Adlai: bitcoin-over-gossipd is rather useless without miners in the wot
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:44:18; *: asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:45:02; mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: more along the lines of piggybacking messages on the btc txn relay network.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: "what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?" << the lisp concept is: "a crystalline pyramid of comprehensible mutually-interlocking concepts", see Thumbs Down for Clojure
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 The parens (i.e., syntactical correspondence with ast) so far as I can tell are inescapable, but incidental. They are simply the most obvious product of the philosophy "sophistication blosso
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:35:29; gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 03:00:06; gabriel_laddel: I've actually done very little development for this dirtro. Most of my time has been spent finding perfect little individual peices and assembling them. Out of the box it has:
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gabriel_laddel: trinque: it seems to me that arguing with e.g., ascii as to if you can make linux less terrible is by and large useless sans the loot (useful technical tidbits) he drops occasionally. If you'd like to work on such a thing I can set you on the only sane path that I'm aware of, with justification as to why you'd do this instead of else.
Adlai: gabriel_laddel: what's the 'status' of your project?
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: right now I'm writing up a thing so that anyone can finish it off, in case I run into alphabet soup or w/e
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 13:50:02; asciilifeform: adlai: shelved
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: Ascii wants to fix everything all at once. I understand his position but don't see how to accomplish it.
Adlai: no, he wants to fix everything from the bottom up
Adlai: this is a workable approach, it just has higher capex demands (as opposed to 'all at once')
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: In any case, Emacs works just fine and is sufficently lispy without dropping the Von N. arch.
gabriel_laddel: and there is money to be made by exploiting the comprehensibility advantage
Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that
☟︎ Adlai is rapidly becoming the archetypical smug[common]lispweenie
gabriel_laddel: I fucking hate elisp, and happily cut much of it out of Masamune.
Adlai: ah, it supports clim!
gabriel_laddel: Perhaps I'll have the chance to clean up the CL interface at some point.
Adlai: "Killed buffer" << even the lispiest abstractions leak
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Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
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Adlai: trust me, i speak asslish
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jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?
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danielpbarron: on a related note, I learned how to get my print screen key working on gentoo for this
Adlai: the hardcore version of "created an account just to upvote this"
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc << You once said, "USG is still trying to find way to put lead into bitcoin bars."
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fluffypony: apparently I'm financially involved with Qntra
PeterL: do you own any shares?
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danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1"
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PeterL: why would anybody pay to use reddit?
danielpbarron: to get "Achievement Unlocked: I'm redditarded" on their profile
jurov: for reddit bezzlegold
danielpbarron: (unless you balance it out with 9x non-promotional material) << there is a ratio specified in the rules?? reddit is like USG training camp
PeterL: so you need to do 9 unpaid spams for each spam you are paid to produce? More spam is better spam!
fluffypony: danielpbarron: yes, there's a 10% rule
fluffypony: "If over 10% of your submissions and conversation are your own site/content/affiliate links, you're almost certainly a spammer."
fluffypony: the rest are just recommendations (eg. reddiquette) or sub-reddit specific rules that anyone can make
danielpbarron: i remember many years ago not liking reddit based soley on this one really annoying kid being way too enthusiastic about it. He went on and on about how some anime trailor was "totally a troll" as he hammered away on his keyboard.
chetty: all these years and still people feed the trolls
danielpbarron: "Don't post personal information." << WTF!? it is required to be anonymous on reddit or what?
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PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either
☟︎ PeterL: I've been reading through his books lately, quite funny stuff in there
PeterL: A while ago I got the entire discworld series as ebooks for like 0.005 btc, back when a btc was about 10 bucks
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fluffypony: danielpbarron: they mean don't post someone else's personal information
fluffypony: unless it is commonly public, eg. domain whois details
fluffypony: the problem is that Reddit tends to breed "investigators" that post about what they've "discovered", when meantime it's pure conjecture
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PeterL: you know what is annoying? online articles which are split into pages. It is a webpage, I should be able to keep scrolling down, instead of increasing the "click numbers" for advertising!
PeterL: (another reason why qntra is better than so many other news sites)
danielpbarron shelves his "10 weird tricks to increase your MPEx portfolio" article..
PeterL: would be fine as an article if the whole things is all on one page! grumble grumble
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mats: (nothing new here, just amusing)
mod6: jurov: can you see if a message got snarffed from the btc-dev list, i sent one in with the subject "Static Makefile Patch v0.0.2"
mod6: had 2 attachments, a .patch file and a .sig file
mats: related to framework that enables diddling
mats: its all about the clicks, man
mats: math, computers, fingerless gloves, all the tropes are there
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Adlai: on that scale, israel = 'italia baribua' (squared)
mod6: jurov: i don't think the mailing list is working. it has snarffed 2 different messages from me so far today. i know the sigs are good on each & attachments.
mod6: ;;later tell jurov btc-dev mailing list is snarffing messages again
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony You could have also pointed out that there's 496 total posts on qntra compared to the small portion of those on Reddit
danielpbarron: sounds like the kind of story you tell kids around a camp fire while pointing a flashlight at your face
trinque: asciilifeform: well established that mail gets rerouted to diddle-factories
cazalla: they don't even knock on your door here, they just stick a "we missed you" notice in the letter box and force you to pick it up from the local post office yourself.. god forbid the postman knock at your door and wait for you to answer
chetty: hmm isnt there a coffee shop around there you can check for it?
Adlai had to pick up his reserve summons - A PIECE OF PAPER - at the post office
Adlai: package slip in the mailbox was identical to the kind indicating eg miner
trinque: I highly suspect they tag people to fuck with
trinque: not that I'm interesting enough to have had this happen
Adlai got asked to turn on and log in his laptop at CDG while just transferring through, had to explain stumpwm
trinque: looks like hacker stuff to me
Adlai: it's the ponytail. flew through in september with a hobo mop, no comment. look like a dealer or hacker? step aside please.
trinque: non-govt mail tends to be much better
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you mean no one knows lol. they gotta make the targets.
mircea_popescu: cazalla "usrn -1 points 10 hours ago Doesn't make any difference." << lawl.
mircea_popescu: "mp is bad mmkay!11" "you know the only reason you eat is his tolerant magnanimity" "doesn't make a diference".
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 08:58:59; fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P
mircea_popescu: that the usms claims to have held auctions is undisputed. that it in fact did not is also plainly factual.
mircea_popescu: and this is why "apparently" is not more appropriate. the locus of power is b-a, not usg. when we say something here, fact or no fact, it becomes "apparently", like it or not like it.
mircea_popescu: when usg says something, it becomes allegedly, and until and unless it receives our imprimatur, it STAYS allegedly.
mircea_popescu: who was that guy kakobrekla really liked, cognitive-something. kept making these and then posing into the forum's ethics board.
Aquent: did you buy 27k btc from the marshals mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha that ben_vulpes / adlai cultard thing. i'm bashing it.
Aquent: ppl are saying you did
Aquent: so you want to deny it?
mircea_popescu: we should prolly hold a call vote see how mit is regarded, i thought it unanimously despised.
mircea_popescu: Aquent i don't want to anything dood. you want to, an' so far it's not going too well.
chetty: whoa, what 'ppl are saying?'
Aquent: well how did you come up with this name
Aquent: this guy - what was the name again
Aquent: like no evidence no connection just some name
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trinque: the article itself gives its evidence
cazalla: Aquent, not everything that pointed to him is included in the article
Aquent: not anything that points to him is included
trinque: the bit about the tweeted address is there
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the internets, srsly. who the hell ever called up w r hearst to inquire about whatever points of minutia in some goddard article.
Aquent: beauty of journalism innit
Aquent: to do that research for me to easily read it
mircea_popescu: has little to do with journalism an' everything to do with... wel, irc, basically, and the very republican roots of la serenissima.
Aquent: mircea_popescu if you did win the auction how much would have you paid per btc?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 10:20:24; ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.
mircea_popescu: i can readily see in the future "special" hard drives being made.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 11:59:26; gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:03:56; Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 13:17:45; jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?
Adlai has babbled about such concepts to vc-types while orbiting those circles (at a safe distance), there's always the faint glimmer of hope that a good meme takes root
mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate.
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mircea_popescu: which is roughly what the power rangers figured out eventually too.
mircea_popescu: Adlai that faint glimmer reflects principally your tender years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no practical considerations will interfere with my strategic management!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean in the past. i mean for the future. they're trying to make a "special file".
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 66 shitty twitter clicks are worth 50 bucks in the lalaland whjere twitter is a public company and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they're a coupla hundred bucks to the million.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that's some kickass research on reddit submissions ? do you like do this professionally or something ?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:28:00; danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1"
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:39:19; PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either
mircea_popescu: seems this process would have sunk them by now, but hey.
Adlai: even if you think both of those are tentacles of the same octopusg, they do have independent nervous systems
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:10:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it
Adlai: both hands thinking they're the right one is functionally equivalent to 'all thumbs'
mircea_popescu: Adlai you know, you should probably write an exhaustive discussion of the cult an' publish it on yoru blog, rather than bottle it up and end up pankkake'd.
mircea_popescu: gorj, romania's lignite mining county, finally had govt subsidies cut after 5 years of the mines n olonger being economically workable.
mircea_popescu: prices collapsed, an apt could be had for a working color tv.\
mircea_popescu: this was an earlier time in romania : foreigners weren't allowed to own property, like in fucking burma, and locals were the sort of retards the soviet collapse left behind,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you misunderstand. no title was ever magicked.
mircea_popescu: Adlai there's nothing wrong with hatin' an' railin'. on the contrary. meanwhile the attempt to not do so seems to be damaging for the attempter.
Adlai isn't hating and generally doesn't reach critical mass of serialized words to justify a 'blog'
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:15:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?)
mircea_popescu: this is like renting cars without the engine. "because i have an engine"
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you going around with an debodied engine!
mircea_popescu: if i rent i expect to take the keys, take a girl there and fuck her in this order.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then you're muddying the discussion up by being one of those who lives in a warehouse
mircea_popescu: obviously warehouses are rented empty whether you live in them or not.
mircea_popescu: this is residential not commercial space we're discussing here.
chetty: germany unfurnished apts didnt even have a kitchen sink
Adlai: asciilifeform: i've not yet polished hdw, the only reason i touched that file is so the commit would still pass tests
Adlai: (guy used a defconstant symbol as a local variable)
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about the desk! and a chair, whatever, you just... buy a new one! that fits!
Adlai will lift from ironclad when the time comes
trinque: mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!
Adlai: (with the medium/long plan, if this thing reaches usable quality, being backporting)
Adlai: or whatever the kids call it
mircea_popescu: trinque i never used a chair for more than i dunno, a year ? two ?
chetty: <trinque> mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!// longer than modern ones last
Adlai: clerical workers, the lot o ya
trinque: Adlai: standing desk is where it's at
mircea_popescu: look, if you're going to fill a place with antiques, YOU SHOULD NOT BE RENTING IT
mircea_popescu: antiques suffer from transport, and wtf do you even want to put nice furniture in a place you don't like.,
chetty: oo thats what I want a desk that goes up and down so you can sit or stand :D
mircea_popescu: basically, you're in this space that doens't eixst, at all. there's a) real estate you own, and you like enough to own, which contains furniture of value proprotionate to that. and b) real estate you don't give a shit about, if you come back to find it ablaze you just shrug and move on.
mircea_popescu: yours is some sort of insane c) where it has all the disadvantages of both.
mircea_popescu: the reason you find it so hard to escape the gravity well is in no small part due to the fact that you;ve spent many decades making the wrong decisions and they're a bitch to undo.
mircea_popescu: may explain why you're even contemplating the alien insanity, instead of just telling me i'm evil.
mircea_popescu: myeah. i see it. well... i feel better for having discussed it!
trinque: easier when you're poor, heh. I've moved across the country several times, selling all the crap that didn't fit in a car
trinque: better to advance the career, get another tv or whatever
trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah, I am mostly bits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant << which is why i said i was a theoretical physicist :)
chetty: rare it may be, but it does exist
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, when he accused me of having a financial interest I got bored
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97406 @ 0.00034083 = 33.1989 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't redditard professionally, I used PRAW + some python to grab the info and then shoved it into Excel of all things
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well the results were so out of place for the venue. like... wow.
mircea_popescu: you ever like... i dunno, ever had a friend in porn invite you to spend a while with a coupla girls on a yacht ? or generally, spent any time on a sail vessel ?
mircea_popescu: but have you ever spent, a whole day, on a sail anything, at sea.
mircea_popescu: yes. well, before you expend any serious money / other resources on this, do that.
trinque: the sail really gets the thing swaying
mircea_popescu: you can not begin to imagine how fucking inconvenient it is. at all.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, as an outing, soemthing to do for a day or w/e, great. splendid sport.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want to live in a bob sleigh or inside your go-kart either. it's not that dissimilar.
mircea_popescu: would be a shitload cheaper to just rent serially. FURNISHED appartments.
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, because he couldn't be served just as well by a common bus.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00034423 = 24.1305 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i propose this matter still needs a lot more thinking.
chetty: I could go for a deserted island :)
mircea_popescu: yeah well, there could scarcely be imagined a more degenerate people.
mod6: jurov: not even a test email made it through.
mircea_popescu: hahaha the youtube ends on the same note. "let them do the food"
danielpbarron: this video about itally might as well be about U.S., or Connecticut at least
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:15; asciilifeform: thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, romania was in europe throughout, it was going to push industrialization through regardless.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the problem with places that used to be great but lacked the social structure to support it is they degenerate essentially the same way.
mircea_popescu: "give us your tired, your hungry" omits the whole picture : sure a country of immigrants is a grand way to build yourself up. but, necesarily, it's a great way to fall over like a deflated donut within a century.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 18:52:56; asciilifeform: i think this one went to /dev/null
mircea_popescu: which is the ridiculousness of it all. teenaged priss kinda likes a boy, does not find it within her purview to go on knees moan for cock. oh no, must pretend this that and the other.
mircea_popescu: god forbid we think less of her unless she doesn't do the exact things that make one think less of her.
mircea_popescu: basically the usg is about 15 and has grown up on a gated community. in connecticut.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:01; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ahem. through what sort of magic the parts summed exceed the sum ?
danielpbarron: so someone pays you 750 BTC today, which turns into 750 BTC and 750 GSC (gavinscamcoin) later, and you just need to buy another 250 GSC to settle the deal
mircea_popescu: or in other words, they make 250 gsc for no risk, if they believe this theory whereby "people" will "update" to gavincoin on gavin's say so.
danielpbarron: right, it's still a "good deal" to those who are so sure the fork will be a hit; i'm just trying to figure out how "good a deal" it is
danielpbarron: so it's kinda like they are trading 750 BTC for 250 GSC, no?
danielpbarron: where BTC is this "stilly worthless thing" to them
mike_c: danielpbarron: you need to be 75% confident to break even
mike_c: if you are > than that confident in gavincoin, it's a good deal
mike_c: i can do the math for you if it's helpful
danielpbarron: I think I got it now. I was hung up on my own bias against GSC
danielpbarron: in that, I would probably be willing to trade 750 GSC for 250 BTC
mike_c: then you can undercut mp :) quick, make an exchange!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00033945 = 3.1545 BTC [-]
mike_c: no, i don't sell btc for fiat or for gavincoin.
davout: this video about italians is amazing
davout: the retarded part of the french also clap at landings
davout: mircea_popescu: furnished flats are the exception in france too
Adlai: davout: my cdg layover mia→tlv was packed with equal parts frenchman and jew... confusion over whether to clap was palpable.
davout: asciilifeform: yea you got me confused
davout: Adlai: they seriously made you login to your comp? that's pretty retarded
mike_c: americans only clap when landing in las vegas.
Adlai: after i repeated "linux" a bunch of times, ran xterm and opened random man pages, eventually the guy got overwhelmed/embarassed and just waved me on
davout: asciilifeform: is it to search it? or to check that it isn't just filled /w explosives?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 18:58:33; asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half
Adlai: asciilifeform: if that's the case, the guy failed afaict, seemed to be waiting for graphical login and was shocked to discover that all had taken place in text
davout: good thing i'm only carrying my friends laptop i don't have the credentials to
Adlai: (he was totally zoned out until i pulled him back to reality, impatient to get IN the plane)
Adlai is amazed that his laptop passes chemical swabs
davout: asciilifeform: i don't really get why logging in to it isn't deemed enough proof it isn't a bomb
Adlai: for, ahem, contraband of the airborn pollen variety.
Adlai: it's proof that you don't care about 'unlocking' the device
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00033945 = 17.5835 BTC [-]
davout: braindamaged on so many levels
Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open?
davout: danielpbarron: btw when i say an exchange, i mean an exchange
Adlai: not really, it's behavioral profiling and it works when you're less braindamaged than your expected enemy
trinque: they're just derping through a script they've been taught
trinque: they care that they hit the major bullet points, don't care how effectively
trinque: generally smiling at the fucks and making pleasantries is enough to get through quickly
danielpbarron: davout, well I posted the invite on the forum; they know where to come
trinque: though I may be white and combed-hair enough to not be bothered often
Adlai: army tactic: let 99% pass unmolested, anally inspect the random 1%. (and call in female sergeant for the other inspection)
Adlai: like TA, this only works if everybody knows you're doing it
trinque: Adlai: the point in my mind is that these aren't ideologically motivated goons
davout: danielpbarron: you mean an invite to -otc?
Adlai: no, the guy at the border check was just doing his job
trinque: they're just bored kids, with as much focused malice as a bored kid can muster
Adlai: he was really embarassed at how impatient i got
Adlai wasn't sure what to expect, but in his mind, it involved at least being led away from the public areas... no such privilege, just awkwards blocking the line
trinque: I have no trouble smiling and being friendly with some govt goon if it gets me on my plane quicker, or out of the airport quicker
davout: ah, well to take up the offer you got clarification about amirite
davout: either way, it can't really work now, there can't really be a contract that defines what a gavincoin is before the guy actually commits some code
danielpbarron: it can't really work now because anyone dumb enough to want to make the deal doesn't actually have enough money for it to be worthwhile
danielpbarron: that aside, it should technically be possible to strike a deal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00033945 = 13.2046 BTC [-]
davout: there are plenty of people dumb enough to take the deal that also happen to have >1k
davout: it's not possible, because defining gavincoin as "everything that is not bitcoin" just doesn't work
danielpbarron: i'd define it the way they do: a fork of bitcoin that gets 80% consensus from miners (or 75% or 95%, whatever magic number they want)
davout: what if it's like a emergency bugfix harfork? or any kind of non-braindamaged hardfork we actually agree with?
davout: because the contract also has to have an expiration, in case the hardfork never actually happens
danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p
☟︎ mike_c: do they look visually reasonable? no balls of solder hanging off the sides?
nubbins`: that's the ultimate bespoke, hey?
nubbins`: i was gonna offer to purchase the empty board for posterity, but i doubt that's on the table anymore 8)
nubbins` generally only buys two things at gold/oz cost -- gold and printer ink
nubbins`: and even printer ink, i'm buying in bulk these days
nubbins`: ...and fwiw there was a tooling charge, just not presented as such :P
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 21:14:18; danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p
nubbins`: i came across a picker/placer robot arm project recently that i meant to paste here
nubbins`: will literally never find it again
Adlai: ;;google zenrobotics
danielpbarron: what's so hard about << I guess I care more about it being accepted by MPEx than I care about the blocksize
danielpbarron: that is, if MP says the blocksize needs to go up, then up it shall go!
davout: Adlai: because imo a one-off 2mb block size increase coin would be valued very differently from an exponential-growth block size coin
danielpbarron: not that i think this will ever be demanded, but there could other changes needed to avert catastrophe that depend on a fork
danielpbarron: especially when considering how messy the code apparently is
davout: Adlai: for such a thing to make sense it has to give the ability to short gavincoin into the dirt, nothing else
danielpbarron: sounds like the thing could accidentally fork at any moment
danielpbarron: ascii is right though, for the purpose of this gavincoin thing, specifying block size should be sufficient
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033986 = 19.1341 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: your exchange could have many different fork-coin options to trade
danielpbarron is still skeptical that there is any demand for USGavincoin
danielpbarron: when it's not that the deal isn't good enough, or that it's too hard to define, it becomes "can't trust you -- need to first invent smart contracts"
danielpbarron: "By developing software that does that and by assuring that we have enough block space to include all the rules. Why everything that you say has to be limited somehow? Why can't we have freedom to do whatever we want?"
Adlai: if you really want to boost bitcoin's hashrate, why not organize a tx processing strike?
Adlai: (answer: because miners dgaf)
davout: mircea_popescu: Y U NO BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY???
mircea_popescu: Most of these folks simultaneously demand government programs to alleviate poverty and hunger, mass transit so the poor can get to where the good jobs are, and international aid to the Third World. In short they want structured, paternalistic programs that address needs defined by the intellectual elite. They are bitterly opposed to innovations that merely give the masses more goods, food, or money and leave the decisi
mircea_popescu: First, the money has to be taken by force from the wealthy. Voluntary contributions don't count. Taxation at a level that the wealthy will consent to doesn't count. Any approach that recognizes the wealthy as having rights is unsatisfactory. Even worse is any recognition of philanthropy and the idea that some of the wealthy have social consciences.
mircea_popescu: Second, the programs can only address needs defined by the intellectual elite. We won't provide cheaper cars; we'll force people to use mass transit. One volunteer aid group once did a study of Third World needs, concluded that one of the most pressing needs in Third World countries was transportation, then excluded automobiles from consideration because they felt that automobiles had a negative effect. When mass trans
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work in the low-density U.S., we'll try to compel people to live in higher density housing.
mircea_popescu: see, this is exactly adeuqate : these fuckwits are the exact prototype of the sterile "intellectual". they wish to matter, and they wish this mattering to happen through administrative measures.
mircea_popescu: "well... because i'm not a dickless dipsit, like you."
cazalla: Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? <<< my first evar job was bag checker/door security at a retail store, i would ask to look in bag, they would open, i would nod and they'd walk out.. they might've easily walked in, filled up the bag and walked out with the goods because i sure as fuck didn't know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149732 @ 0.00034058 = 50.9957 BTC [+] {4}
Adlai: but if they don't want to open the bag? game's over
mircea_popescu: Adlai i dunno, i told a schmucky kid once to mind his own business. nothing happened./
davout: cazalla: it's all theatre
cazalla: Adlai, no-one ever objected and i imagine that to anyone who wanted to come steal socks and undies, i was a god send
Adlai: where was this? there are probably better targets for shoplifters who need to make a living
mircea_popescu: well... i also told the derpy organisers of some local "swinger's club" to get bent after they wanted the chick to check her clutch.
cazalla: Adlai, it was at store similar to target or kmart, but just clothing
Adlai: there's something intoxicating about a position of power, even if it doesn't really mean anything
Adlai: especially when the intoxicated goon thinks it means the world
mircea_popescu: really, it's not about the position, it's about the scumbag. this is how you know vulgar folk in all times of places, that they're made of base metal : if put in charge they foul things up.
cazalla: Adlai, ah i never saw it as such, i was only placed at the door because i got the job as a result of nepotism and they had to put me somewhere hence first evar security guy for that shop lol
mircea_popescu: plenty of people do just fine in positions of authority.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00033633 = 2.7579 BTC [-]
Adlai: cazalla: most tlv venues ranging from cafes to clubs, movie theaters to supermarkets - have 'somebody' at the door, generally with a pulse or an expression (rarely more than one), and this the
Adlai: * theater is accepted as 'security'
cazalla: i don't recall ever feeling it was a position of authority, more reminded of the fact i was nervous but at same time excited to get pocket money
Adlai: sure, the bit about authority was more >> 'wtf ever heard of such nonsense.'
trinque: heh, I was buying bulk tp at walmart recently and the door troll stopped me and tried to block my exit
trinque: "I did not steal toilet paper, you idiot." -> walked around her and out
trinque: she seemed shocked that this could be possible
nubbins`: she seemed shocked to learn that she doesn't have the authority to stop you? o.O
trinque: nubbins`: people are so goddamn polite around here, practically canadian
cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day)
☟︎ trinque: cazalla: heh! I had a gf that would jack my tp from her work when I was 19; that's called having connections
Adlai: ;;ud g i butt wipe
cazalla: the cost of wiping your ass adds up
Adlai: that is wrong on so many levels, except the dog's
trinque: I've seen a dog devour cow turd after cow turd; a mere human ass is nothing
cazalla: ya, that's why i don't understand how people can have their dogs or other animals inside the house
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i loved my dog too but she was a dog
Adlai always imagined that an uncomfortable posture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00034518 = 23.4377 BTC [+] {3}
Adlai: twist your torso, now put all your upper body weight right on the twist!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 130 @ 0.01099999 = 1.43 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: mircea_popescu, despite not allowing her in the house, i am quite sensitive about my Lucy, so please don't be saying she had such a look :(
jurov: mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed
mircea_popescu: wow! it actually happened that ppl complained about jurov's email thing and it actually was the case it was broken
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 22:28:01; cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day)
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 22:29:29; mircea_popescu: get a dog, will lick you clean for free.
trinque: davout: next tier up is only shitting at work
cazalla: trinque, not of the class who waits until arriving home to do such things?
trinque: I self employ now, but the joke always was among friends to shit on the company dime
davout: mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg
trinque: so I guess I'm always shitting on the company dime these days
Adlai: boss makes a dollar while i make a dime // that's why i shit on company time
Adlai: vandals carrying spraypaint, sure. but it always seemed a different breed of vandal to wander around with a sharpie
cazalla: easier to pretend to go on break with others who actually are on break (dependent on type of job of course)
davout: Adlai: so it should really be "boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, and a turd"
Adlai: better yet, run one of those bitcoin shit-ship-shops... just don't let corporate know you're doing materials r&d for the startup on the company clock
Adlai thinks of this every day, 3-4 times, while tesla wags his tail like he's cured parkworm
cazalla: it's not that i mind that they mentioned other people part of a possible syndicate with silvey (which i didn't include in article as no proof of this anyway) but least they could do is admit that yeah, we followed it back from the avatar after having read about it on qntra
Adlai: but everybody knows steve youngblood right guise?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 295.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 295.7, 24 hour volume: 27046.72490813, 24 hour low: 291.04, 24 hour high: 298.8, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00033633 = 21.5251 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;ticker --currency EUR --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 278.22547, vol: 8229.45591540 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 279.3, vol: 122.00342 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 276.313023, vol: 138319.96870000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 278.0, vol: 84.6419943 | Volume-weighted last average: 276.423721036
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00033633 = 3.3519 BTC [-]
davout: chetty: looked at the page count, felt sleepy
jurov: i scrolled into the middle, saw fotnote number 1216 O.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198450 @ 0.0003323 = 65.9449 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:29:16; mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate.
jurov: in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys