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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: having read the foreward, looks interesting; I'll probably have it read in a few days
trinque: I will say that the author's metaphysical end of the world may not be the only one transpiring
trinque: the best crises are, I'm sure, a nice blend of irl and metaphysical destruction
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:07; ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:18; ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
ben_vulpes: i let my thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed
Vexual: anyone in norther lats got aurora?
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes the best apocalypse is total!
mats: ha, just noticed asciilifeform's comment when reviewing my ratings
mats: for the record i am not a reverse engineer, my interests are narrowly tailored to exploitation
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it would by the very fact of connecting. shows you its ip
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 ironically enough, im sure teaching will be fine. schools tho... hard to say.
thestringpuller: What's this bullshit I'm hearing Gavin has 75% (supermajority) support of "the community" on his stupid BIP?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:01:12; ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: everytime you shoot this nigga in the head he comes back to fucking life.
mircea_popescu: down from the 100% he thought he had back in janaury ?
mircea_popescu: since we're making up numbers, i would say he needs to have at least 8megapercent support, or else his support won't scale.
mircea_popescu: funny that derps using numbers like retarded children use playdo should at any point expect to be engaged by sane people as if serious.
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thestringpuller: this is what scares me! kids with guns are still dangerous (even if it just them shooting each other)
thestringpuller: in the even there are no orderlies? everyone gets pegged with poo?
mod6: it's a shit blizzard, Randy.
mod6: I am the liquor, bobandy.
mod6: asciilifeform: 1) don't have anything to add to this discussion atm. although, we can have it again if you like. 2) I don't have anything going atm; The working nodes (on deb6) are down because i'm working on the gentoo gcc stuff right now.
mod6: The patch we got from that mailing list was from a different version for sure than 4.8.4 -- so i've had to hack it in by hand. gentoo is now applying the patch properly. and it's compiling as we speak. there is one caviat that I need to get over before I can test it though.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah i am looking for alternatives that's why I asked about btc and ed... is this question a simple "where does the trust lie?"... btw you know those cuddle-puddle poddies they have all the students arranged in now? You know, the ingenious design that promotes cheating and distraction and love? Those are fucking MANDATORY in some districts... teachers couldn't sit them all facing forward if they wanted
mod6: If we add in (officially the following): { Orphanage Thermonuke, TX Orphanage Amputation, { All DNS Thermonyukyooar Patches } }, I'd say that'd be a new milestone. And I'd propose to call it 0.5.3.2
mircea_popescu: tho kinda long imo. nobody should need 4 digits of versioning
mircea_popescu: unless, of course, they're from ms. then they need 8. or unl;ess they're running boost and qt.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yes some, not enough, far from done...
mircea_popescu: this is the sequence, logically. buncha derps made some rejected "versions", who cares what they numbered them as ?
mircea_popescu: what idiots did can not now, nor ever be a consideration.
mod6: well, there isn't a previous version 5.4 -- stops after 5.3 and goes right to 6... so i guess that could work.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to not name something america because obama.
mod6: let's let ben weigh in here.
mod6: oh hey, i think my patch built ok...
mod6: now to find out if it actually /works/ XD
mod6: if this works out, it'll be my first official gcc hack
mod6: of course... there is the entire question on the table at this point about the "gentoo sanity" patches.
mod6: before we cut a new milestone, i'd like to have this sucker up and running on gentoo with uclibc & patched with the "gentoo sanity" patches as well.
mod6: then we can finally go off of a version that we support, etc.
mod6: (basically, I'm just saying those patches should have been included in my list above)
mod6: oh, and I keep hitting an additional problem aside from what the "gentoo sanitiy" resolves. i've been holding off submitting a patch for it until I can get this thing actually compiled and working.
mod6: (have been having to add `#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS \ #include <stdint.h>` to the start of net.cpp, util.cpp, and wallet.cpp for some bizzare reason)
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is pretty good progress and intel seems to indicate you're actually ahead of the curve, so, dun stress.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:24:56; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far
mircea_popescu: structuralism is the proposition that elements of human culture are defined by their relationships to other elements.
mircea_popescu: this is a complex point not accessible to the novice, and so nothing to be taken cavallierly.
mod6: maybe something in my few repeated builds hosed something up. the /work/ dir does seem to get blown away every time.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:32:50; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
Hasimir: or to put it another way (re: structuralism), everything is interconnected ...
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah ok, after looking up structuralism, I was just hung up on the idea that if humanism is constructed on erroneous principles, and is structuralism is a reaction to humanism... then its just doubly wayward...
mircea_popescu: of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made.
mircea_popescu: to say that any paradigm is flawed is not to say very much at all.
ag3nt_zer0: so maybe with a post-post-post the ship eventually by chance faces due north
mircea_popescu: it'd be interesting if you can show how its flaws impede its intended results and how can they be cheaply remedied.
Hasimir: "these sorts of things have happened before and have always been attributable to human error."
mod6: i'm gonna nuke that machine again and try to compile it again with the patch. see if it works. if not, i'll just see if it'll even compile gcc itself.
mod6: just of the bitwise persuasion :]
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the entire thing started with the absolutely correct observation that words have i nfact no meanings, not anymore than any one website has google pagerank. a theoretical model was proposed where meaning of all words is produced through iteration, exactly in the same manner pr is calculated (and this is why google used to be notable - it implemented a major tenet of culture at the time)
mod6: so one of the reasons i'm being kidna hard-headed about 4.8.4; i'm worried that with a downlevel version such as 3.7 or whatever, that there might not even exist a set of patches (such as Gentoo/uclibc/PIE) that are required for Gentoo -- might be a whole seperate ball of wax & problems.
mircea_popescu: this model is very stupid, notwithstanding interesting results it produces in some cases, and the failure of google exactly illustrates the failures of the model.
mod6: so if we get this one to work, i think that's our best/easiest path, currently.
mircea_popescu: post-post-structuralism is in no sense and to no degree a return to "Traditionalism", which is strictly distinct from the humanism the original structuralism was supposedly a reaction to. it is merely the observation of coexistence : the stupid generate their pseudo-meanings out of iteration, the smart (i've called these before language creators) have thei own dictionaries, the two categories interplay in praxis.
mircea_popescu: (praxis being the usage of a language, or more properly, representational system)
mircea_popescu: and traditionalism, for the record, is the fundamentally correct observation that there can not be such a thing as a new phenomenon, and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens.
mircea_popescu: stuff like taleb is a much more damaging criticism of traditionalism than structuralism ever was or could aspire to be.
mircea_popescu: (and humanism is the proposition, beyond naive, that there exists an universal aspect to everything which is immediately accessible to people. if this sounds stupid well... it's because humanism, like any socialist ideology, is made by the stupid for the use of the stupid)
mircea_popescu: at its core, humanism is the proposition not that there exists a saint peter by the pearly gates, nor that he would understand your language, but that ~you~ would understand ~his~,
mircea_popescu: or for that matter even recognize pearly gates if you saw 'em.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly contradictory to the hermetic tradition, nothing else. (which no, is not simply "jewish")
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mircea_popescu: so now you're in a position to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if there exists something that is in fact inaccessible, then there can be no such thing as "humanism", and thus therefore socialism is just stupid, rather than being what the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal.
mircea_popescu: and this is also why "social mobility" is such a big deal, representationally, notwithstanding the nonsense it is in practice, and why the worst thing you can do is kick a black dude out of your clubhouse or whatever.
mircea_popescu: and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ?
☟︎ ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: thanks for the response... I am confused about this: "and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens." -is this how traditionalist discourse treat phenomena? exclusively historically? and also: you say taleb can provide a damaging critique of traditionalism? May I kindly ask, whose? What authors/thinkers
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ag3nt_zer0: no, but due to reading something you wrote I have started the black swan
mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.
☟︎ Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: (this also is why nobody seems to ever want to engage him)
Hasimir: so much for that theory ....
mircea_popescu: Hasimir well you live in a place that doesn't exist anyway >D
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you familiar with the fantabulous history of the gauss copula ?
mircea_popescu: mkay. there is this psychogenically-driven assumption in financial circles that the past may be used to evaluate future risk. this is incredibly stupid and absolutely perennial (the only thing perennial in human cultural history is stupidity, by the way - smart stuff has no root)
ag3nt_zer0: but i understand that it is used to analyze financial information, particularly in markets
mircea_popescu: in any case, THAT is traditionalism for you. between "nobody went out of business buying ibm" and "our gauss copulae indicate the future will be rosy", crash after crash and disaster after disaster.
mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106080 @ 0.00041175 = 43.6784 BTC [-]
ag3nt_zer0: ok. but I am under the impression that at the core of traditionalism are simply metaphysical absolutes... for instance, "the greater cannot proceed from the lesser" - there is one absolute source, be it languaged in a number of ways, etc...
mod6: does that guy have a Matryoshka doll tie?!
trinque: bahaha who the fuck adopts "Oblivion" but keeps "Brian"
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mod6: ok weird. same exact error as last time after complete nuke. tomorrow i'll nuke again and see if gcc will compile without the patch.
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
cazalla: actually forget it, we had this conversation a few weeks ago
mod6: ah and it bumps the version too
mod6: thanks for your work on this asciilifeform!
mod6: im hoping I can figure something out with gcc tomorrow. if I don't get anywhere, perhaps time to cut bait and head in a different direction.
mod6: i've read the patches and ben's review on his blog. i'll be writing up a summary of my own in the SoBA at the end of the month.
mod6: (same sort of deal as last month)
mod6: as soon as I can, i'll be sure to patch everything in the order specified and kick off a full regression cycle.
Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth
thestringpuller: so i'm on this 1000 calorie deficit diet which requires me to burn an extra 1000 calories a day. damn this shit is no joke.
Vexual: ;;later tell Naphex poker sites, or a pokerstars hat
Vexual: thestringpuller: you oughta burn more than 3k
Vexual: enless you wanna live to 100
Vexual: viagra still works, and you can ride a scooter inn italy
Vexual: mp any more pasta girls?
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Vexual: you must be pretty fucking sitstill to only burn 3000
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aw i was going to cut that one out meself
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i'd like to bootstrap a thermonuke off your previously mentioned node, do i need whitelisting?
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M
Vexual: do you even mine << pank
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead << confirmed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes well it seems an entire intricacy with stacked nat routers
mircea_popescu: im evidently not set up to support teh esteemed efforts of the republic over here. working on it.
ben_vulpes: furthermore it's diverged significantly in behavior from 'mainnet'
mats: it'd be great if you all would assess how drunk Vexual is before upping him
Vexual: good luck forking testnet
ben_vulpes: it's just another altcoin at this point
ben_vulpes: hey pete d'you have a node to throw into la serenissima's syncing party?
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 02:00:13; asciilifeform: 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'
ben_vulpes: "your share of bitcoin has increased from n/21e9 to n/42e9"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay ? i have a 0.7.2 at 222'868
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:10:59; mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.
pete_dushenski: taleb's too much a protector of the people to see them as the source of all evil.
pete_dushenski: and burke, to my reading, is no fan of the common man and an advocate of monarchy.
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:22:02; mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay << no.
mircea_popescu: but it has to be on a publicly accessible ip, port 8333 open
pete_dushenski: cazalla: ah yes, home of csirac and that very bizarrely shaped costco store
cazalla: ya know they include that in real estate ads here now.. "close to schools, transport, costco"
cazalla: yeah, i never thought i'd see ham planets walking into costco with my own eyes.. i should snap some pics for BingoBoingo
pete_dushenski: i'm sure he'd appreciate it, if for no other reason than as a reminder than the usistan isn't alone in sucking.
cazalla: but we have lil' china, lil' italy, so why not large america?
pete_dushenski: makes sense given how much more physical space each american occupies compared to each italian and chinaman
mircea_popescu: how did someone end up sending spam off qntra server is what i mean
cazalla: would appear it started around june 14th of this month
cazalla: to the best of my knowledge i've not leaked the password
ag3nt_zer0: I should probably just keep digging, but in reading the logs dated late 2013 I see concerns raised that another bubble is fine as long as it doesn't go to 1k... and this was not too long after people were getting warnings that btc wasn't worth more than $130... why was it bad for it to go to 1k or past, and given all this craziness, how do I deduce what would be a current fair price to make a relatively wise investment? I
ag3nt_zer0: liquidated thinking it will continue to sink...
cazalla: can't you check logs to see who logged in on that day and few proceeding it?
cazalla: you must because you gpg'd the new one to me when servers went down after the dmca bullshits with trilema
cazalla: isn't this just a case of someone (likely guy who ddos joiners here) sending out spam from another server but spoofing return address so qntra email gets hammered with delivery fail spam?
cazalla: has qntra server even been sending mail?
mircea_popescu: a) no and b) actually, my server is sending email because somehow someoine signs in as info@qntra and i naively faield to disallow qntra account from sending email
cazalla: can't log in to cpanel to delete email addy now
cazalla: whatever cpanel autogenerates
cazalla: you'd wanna make sure because i don't, and have not, created my own passwords for some time
cazalla: nor do i have a passwords.txt sitting on the desktop
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mircea_popescu: 1(213.17.193.245)[188.252.64.178] info@qntra.net spamfight.mdsnet.it[81.208.4.144]
mircea_popescu: 1([127.0.0.1])[113.165.162.6] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.133.26]
mircea_popescu: 1(actorsivakumar.com)[69.162.107.83] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com
mircea_popescu: yeah it's not a php thing, seems 100% certain it simply guessed the credentials for that acct, used them for pop3
cazalla: i might've used something weak when creating it but again, it's not something i do so i don't really know what else to say
mircea_popescu: well, i deleted > 50k messages from queue, the email in question, and hopefully gmail, yahoo and everyone else will at some point forget the fact that i spammed them to shit for the first time in my life.
cazalla: mail serv on same ip as qntra because i dont see it in any ban lists yet
cazalla: so when you say guessed the credentials, has the person simply guessed the password or had a hash of it and cracked that?
mircea_popescu: Jun 23 02:27:40 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<info@qntra.net>, method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=10940, secured, session=<K5i5f
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looks like i'm going to have a (full chain) bitcoin up in a coupla days.
mircea_popescu: this is an up to date historical (2011) copy of the blockchain.
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mircea_popescu: sooo... coinbase sells ads through buysell ads, and wants to get 20 bucks cpm
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kakobrekla: The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking.
kakobrekla: same thing as last time, 486 instead 468
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ben_vulpes: Trusty Thermonuke stalled for lack of seeds at block 182383 last night
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i'm a derp and used "connect" instead of "addnode"
ascii_field: as i understand, it was meant for 'indoor' nodes
ben_vulpes: hm, and yet it added addrs to its addr.dat it allears.
ascii_field: and yes, a 'connect' node lives - and dies - by the other end
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: iirc it still collects seeds so it can spit them back if asked for some
ascii_field: also didn't i give example arguments in ml ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: did my node work for ya?
mod6: So this is interesting: I was able to use my gcc patch successfully against my AWS instance which has an AMI that utilizes a stage3-uclibc-hardened from 20150510. And meanwhile, trinque was helping me test to ensure I'm not doing something totally retarded, and on his side he was using the Physical hardware steps where it says to pull the latest (which should be 20150610) stage3-uclibc-hardened.
mod6: the Gentoo patches for gcc 4.8.4 changed during this interval from v1.5 to v1.6. Nothing special here. Wonder if there are this many changes to old ebuilds all the time?
mod6: Anyway, trinque wasn't even able to apply my patch successfully on his side.
mod6: Going to continue on with this, just an update.
lobbes: ascii_field: probably would just be easier to have scoopbot do it, but I got lobbesbot reading Phuctor's rss feed. If you feel inclined, give him a rate and I'll set him up to announce.
jurov: !gettrust assbot lobbesbot
jurov: !rate lobbesbot 1 piece of zamak
jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.lobbesbot.1:e86048b8b939f767104e5f5503607223701718768b0ca106edf8596d1b4255e0
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbesbot with note: piece of zamak
trinque: funkenstein_: literally anyone off the street
funkenstein_: trinque, lol i wonder what whoever made the poster was trying to tell us.. with the choice of uncle sam
jurov: that's clear "usg wants you"
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.23, Best ask: 244.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 244.23, 24 hour volume: 11849.7222125, 24 hour low: 242.0, 24 hour high: 247.99, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: trinque: after i rebooted using "addnode" instead of "connect" directives, the thing has 7 connections and is happily munching block
mats: i had two successive brain farts while talking to nickserv
jurov: looks like we now know your password
mod6: anyone wanna sell 2 Wooly Mushrooms?
mod6: so i'm building gcc 4.9.2 on gentoo with uclibc & hardened (PIE). if it builds ok, then I'll give building v0.5.3.1-RELEASE a try - maybe this version won't have the same issue...
mats: i meant to perform /nickserv info flamingcows
mats: since we're all curious now
trinque: no one could've anticipated flaming cows
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 13:21:19; kakobrekla: >Seal the Deal < lold
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mircea_popescu: punkman do they have a "how not to care" guide now on github ?!
ben_vulpes: have you guys ever thought about software
ben_vulpes: i'll brb - gotta submit something to the Crap Store
mircea_popescu: these idiots i swear. "o noes, a bunch of jokers put in a quarter of a cent on a bunch of txn, because they figure it's cheap publicity. everyone willing to pay more than 0.01% of what bank transfers cost is unaffected"
ascii_field: so apparently 'linux support' in modern scientific instrumentation means 'you can, maybe, write own driver in a week by studying pieces of the broken turd we published five hw revisions ago'
mircea_popescu: haha. well... linux is a hobby, right ? those crazy kids enjoy derping wit h code. this is how to best support them
ascii_field keeps coming back to the thought that if 'adult' computer were to exist, folks would snap it up even if it were something close to, e.g., pdp-11 in horsepower
trinque: gimme teh S.NSA box, and I don't care how slow it is
ascii_field: the observation is by no means original to me
ascii_field: trinque: 'don't care' is strong statement - you probably want it to verify blocks in <10min, etc
ascii_field: and to address enough storage to make this criterion even meaningful
trinque: well... maybe all "it" does is talk to that which is doing the block verification
mircea_popescu: funny how the definition of "usable computer" now includes "blocks <10min"
trinque: I just want something which can derp text buffers
trinque: and shoop them somewhere else, if I'm real lucky
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu scoopy is away with williamdunne on vacation
ascii_field: isn't this how gribble was lowered into pederasty ?
pete_dushenski: i guess i need to watch more because i review at least half the ones i see
mod6: gcc on it's 4th hour of compiling...
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:00:58; ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
ascii_field: no one will be making 'blocks in <10min' box with discretes.
trinque: bleh do I load the feeds plugin on mine again?
trinque: lobbes: you gonna scoop the scoops?
lobbes: I could, though before I take that on I gotta learn how to get lobbesbot to !up himself
lobbes: jurov rated him, so he's able. But I'm too dumb to figure out how to view private messages sent to him
lobbes: well, my issue thus far is that I'm running lobbesbot on a aws instance seperate from my edis bouncer instance, so the only way I can currently see privmsgs sent to it are by checking messages.log (however, this only returns up to the first 'space' in the string)
trinque: side note, I don't hate the idea of interacting with something like IRC via simple file IO
trinque: dunno if there's a futureware I think about more
trinque: punkman: nice, the kind of thing I'd expect on suckess.org
pete_dushenski: "Walmart (WMT) will reportedly pull items displaying the Confederate flag, according to a report late Monday. CNNMoney cited the world's biggest retailer as saying it "never want(s) to offend anyone with the products that we offer." The move comes after a 21-year old assailant gunned down nine people at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina."
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: confederate us survive
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: remember 'adventure construction set' and the later msdos 'adventure construction kit' ?
ascii_field wonders if anybody's tried neutronograph of these things
mod6: might try gcc-5.1.0 next.
mod6: if that doens't work, then truly will have to get everything in sync and shoe-horn our own patch while all the stage3 stuff is up to speed.
mod6: (in sync with what's current)
mod6: any strong objectsions against 5.1.0?
mod6: there is an ebuild for gcc/uclibc/hardened version gcc-3.4.6-r2
mod6: if anyone thinks we should try that first.
ben_vulpes: i'm biased against moving forwards in time
ben_vulpes: newer software is just more broken in more exciting ways
mod6: ok well... i guess that settles that then, i'll build 3.4.6 next.
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ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
☟︎ ben_vulpes: but if you install it locally, it just quietly fails to run the tests
ben_vulpes: FUCK EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THIS SHITPIEL
jurov: that's helluva groupie
mod6: so gcc-3.4.6-r2 will not build with "hardened" set as an option, although uclibc can still be used. we do want "hardened" i would think.
mats: asciilifeform: neat
mats: asciilifeform: friend of yours?
☟︎ mod6: looks like many of the much older < 4.3 ebuilds don't allow for hardened (unless I'm mistaken here). I'm gonna try 4.5.4.
mod6: If this dones't help (i doubt it will), I'll need to make another AMI with a recent stage3 and try to shoehorn in this gcc patch I made.
mod6: ok that build is going... should take ~4 hours.
mod6: i can't even imagine how long it would take on that POS box i bought. probably 16.
trinque: mod6: once there's a rubber-stamped set of packages, there's a way to create binary packages on gentoo
trinque: and then reuse those elsewhere
trinque: not that others shouldn't rebuild, but rather that there'll at least be a way to quickly stand up a new dev environment later, if ya want it
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pete_dushenski: williamdunne given the rebirth of the rebirth of scoopbot, we sorta figured as much ;)
mats: asciilifeform: is there any useful automation for reversing from si?