asciilifeform: girlattorney: mp_en_viaje covered the subj in very pedantic detail.

asciilifeform: the exact amt of 'revisionism' where 'let's subtract what hrusch et al concocted, see what remains', sorta like we subtract what gavin & co adulterated bitcoin src with

asciilifeform: next mp_en_viaje will find that gavin et al are there also...

asciilifeform in 2010-12 'surely usg will muster king's horses and king's men' days , did not expect it to look like gavin, expected moar microshit-style 'embrace&extend', e.g. 'ibm bitcoin client' or sumsuch

asciilifeform: fughetting for a moment fpga : consider ordinary transistor, or even diode. it is not physically possible to bake a 'secretly smart' transistor that does s/mp-pubkey/gavin-pubkey in hopes of being put in somebody's serial port 1 day, and for it to have same analogue characteristics as genuine diode (not even speaking of what it'd look like under microscope)

asciilifeform: i say that this is roughly equivalent to 'enemy will sell you a pen that writes gavin's pubkey if you sit down and try to write mp_en_viaje's '

asciilifeform: item was re 'what computing device offers least room in which to hide a mine when you buy it from enemy'. asciilifeform contends that the moar homogeneous the fabric, the moar difficult to interestingly hide a useful mine. i.e. if you wanted to sell the victim an sram that replaces e.g. mp_en_viaje's pubkey with gavin's whenever it is loaded therein, the resulting device will look quite diff even on optical microscope (not even speak

asciilifeform still not fully made sense of franco -- d00d was 'fuhrer' by sheer accident, after mola's plane crash , and possibly only won war cuz other side resembled gavin & co, 9000 rando 'hasta y per siempre' derpfactions

asciilifeform: (possibly the only gavin still going from that period?) ☟︎

asciilifeform tuned out of subj when realized that can't point to a distinguishing algo between gavin, hearn, wright, et al -- they're idempotent , like electron..

asciilifeform: tru. who, incidentally, is the current gavin? i admit, lost track, dun follow subj actively ☟︎

asciilifeform: iirc they already tried ~that~ ( gavin ? )

asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu quotes all sorts, e.g. gavin, in various pieces. does this mean that mircea_popescu endorses gavinism ?

asciilifeform: apparently at least 4 still-not-gone-for-glue horses in usg's stable ( gavin, buterin, wright, ver )

asciilifeform: 2nd only to gavin, possibly

asciilifeform: ( or whoever the fuck is the current gavin, i've lost track of the concretes )

asciilifeform: 'hmm, letter re bitcoin, lessee what gavin says'

asciilifeform: iirc it came from one of those idjit gavin cataclysms

asciilifeform: mod6: example: 'dear herr editor at volkischer beobachter: you have been misinformed by your sources re the subject of bitcoin. the client maintained by gavin et al, known as 'core', currently offered at version x.x, and infamous for lethally compromising bugs, most recently [qntra link] , is not the definitive client but a work of malicious impostors ; the actual bitcoin client can be found at [tbf] , consists of x LOC (and decreasi

asciilifeform: and if not gavin, then hearn

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the pov of $heathen derp rag, it's gavin

asciilifeform: could argue that he already begun quisling when he permitted 'linux foundation' ( sponsor of such 'luminaries' as gavin ) to make use of his trademark

asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like how the gavin-foundation ran through.

asciilifeform wonders, whether the gavin derp is still on the stage, or fully retired nao. i dun follow heathendom closely enuff to know

asciilifeform: meanwhile in today's mircea_popescu-oldies lotto, http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts . ( observe, i dun need to read , much less attempt to individually refute, errything the strings people shit out -- for the same reason i dun need to read gavin's code . )

asciilifeform: later he was seen consorting with gavin, kanzure et al.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835518 << linus is not immortal, and i expect that he will lose control of kernel -- just as he stupidly lost control of his trademark to 'linux foundation' (y'know, with gavin on staff) -- even before dies ☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i duncare what obummer and gavin have to say re the worldstate,

asciilifeform: live by the gavin, die by the gavin.

asciilifeform: btw 'bitcoin-heirloom' by mikehearn, gavin et al, when. ☟︎

asciilifeform: cnat read just fine when it's gavin talkin'

asciilifeform: ( from lack of alternatives ? from gavin endorsements ? wai? )

asciilifeform: i admit to not having carefully followed the motion of sewer rats : who is pushing the shitnessforq, if not gavin ?

asciilifeform: upstack : asciilifeform is still curious whether the assorted goldtards etc actually believe that btc is 'entirely like wowgold' and that some gavin somewhere 'could make moar if we wanted to' on demand

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Ybp6T << apparently... gavin also still inbiznis.

asciilifeform: is, e.g., gavin, still in circulation? i admit - lost track

asciilifeform recognized the mugs of gavin and karpeles, but who the fuck are the rest ?

asciilifeform: http://www.randomsanity.org << faux phuctor -- by, apparently, no less than gavin.

asciilifeform: let's say gavin writes a forked client that incorporates the entirety of traditional bitcoin, and keeps both blockchains around, simply to refuse to spend any output that's been already spent somewhere in actual bitcoinland.

asciilifeform: ( for how long nao ? i seem to recall that even gavin barfed, originally, from this, it was how hearn was booted out ..? )

asciilifeform: proponents of 'pruning' want to replace 'the weight of 400k blocks' with a promisetronic 'checkpoint list'. which, i imagine the game plan is, to eventually include deviations from the usual proof of work, per gavin's unabashed declaration where 'WE say what the blocks were'

asciilifeform: (when gavin et al made 'brainwallets' seeded with common dictionary words, by the megatonne)

asciilifeform: observe, gavin, hearn, et al, have specific orders for past 5 or so yrs : 'make it so that bitcoin REQUIRES oracle cluster'

asciilifeform: i suspect that , e.g., gavin's pay stubs, would entertain plenty.

asciilifeform: or 2015 b-a was about gavin & hearn

asciilifeform: like gavin pronounced ?

asciilifeform: (the gavin-killing device from mircea_popescu's 'missile crisis' piece)

asciilifeform: '“Come to Kimmel, Rosenthal Pavilion to let NYU know that we will not stand for bigotry, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny on our campus,” the event page reads. “Gavin McInnes has a long track record of using incendiary language to attract media attention and frenzy…Most recently, in December 2016, Gavin McInnes launched an informal group called the Proud Boys, an “anti racial

asciilifeform: 'The protest was apparently organized on Facebook, under the name “Disrupt Gavin McInnes at NYU.”'

asciilifeform: killing gavin's remote backdoor is not comparable, it was a necessary part of 'first do no harm'