ben_vulpes: going to bounce logs.bvulpes.com a few times here shortly
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for a few days now, i think he's waiting for me to cough a mp-wp up
danielpbarron: sorry about that, but all of my posts are archived.is'd if you need something in particular
a111: Logged on 2017-01-28 04:46 asciilifeform: or nm, just drops 'actions'
ben_vulpes: trinque puzzlingly enough subclassing logbot and defining an ircbot-connect :after method to add the relevant hook (ctcp-action-message, in case anyone is looking for cl-irc action message hooks later) did not result in a hook landing in the connection object that the message-dispatcher would poop into
ben_vulpes: so the patch is currently sitting in logbot code
trinque: dunno why an :after wouldn't work
trinque: there's an :around but it's politely calling call-next-method
trinque: I don't think I'd want to subclass for that though, whole thing just needs to fart raw protocol lines into the db
simonpenner: so what all bitcoin stuff do you all get up to here
mircea_popescu: and in other news opengl managed to break my machine. gooo team gui!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think we should just stop playing now, dat usg is just too competent.
ben_vulpes: > NAN BILLION TOTAL ADA EXCHANGED BY NOW
trinque: where's the upward inflecting graph? hacks
mircea_popescu: i also like the game development <-> apple / google arrow schematics.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i don't have the appetite for the protocol-level patch atm
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: moar spawn, moar potential
ben_vulpes: there is so much js on that page my poor computer cannot cope
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'd rather get some gossipd work rolling than put any more effort into hugging the IRC turd tighter
trinque: we could implement the stuff ircbot actually uses in cl-irc as one macro, a socket, and a ping/pong loop
ben_vulpes: no man js like that is never optimized
ben_vulpes: it is always cobbled together out of five different wordpress themes and four javascript libraries
ben_vulpes: i recently saw a wp plugin also pull some near-mb of jsolade in to serve a modal
mircea_popescu: there's also a band which thinks it's tmsr ; and other such things. there is, as previously mentioned, a small island thinks itself "the republic of china".
mircea_popescu: there's a "ukraina" which does ~same as the "us army" does, ie steiner angriffs every other day.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, i had a dream last night, mosul had been actually conquered by teh coalitioderacy of dounces and they were rebuilding it.
ben_vulpes: living arab museum! complete with sectarian warfare!
ben_vulpes: put it a mile down the road from the amish
mircea_popescu: myeah. the locals were kinda wtf, why does there have to be an "artificial river" ie this muddy trench and they gotta wear weird clothes
ben_vulpes: renn fair derps could work the gate for food
mircea_popescu: nobody could speak arabic but "they had been told" by a politruk it's ok to go blawhahelabalawala while waving arms in air
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i think this was mostly dreamscape reinterpretation of my one time at some renaissance faire.
mircea_popescu: hey, you should hear the latin they speak at "ivy league" "classics".
mircea_popescu: i think the trilema.io is actually trilema.com or something.
ben_vulpes: "First, we're releasing a database migration tool that lets you migrate data from your Parse app to any MongoDB database" << oh that's kind of you
ben_vulpes: "our developer finger trap didn't work at all, so we're going to get you stuck in this other one"
ben_vulpes: near as i ever figured out, some heinous mishmash of "totally not localstorage" and "mongo" "in the cloud"
ben_vulpes: i mean what, a rest api can't be *that* damagingly expensive for a well-funded sv startup
ben_vulpes: and if it is, compiling libpq into your app and generating keys client side is trivial
mircea_popescu imagines how sad things would have been if the computers of the 1990s were tablets instead.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's all inane insider baseball from the gilded cage
ben_vulpes: anyways, survived train ride without rupturing bladder. now to sea of dopamine, ttyl
mircea_popescu: i had a ~9 lb laptop cca 1995 that could almost play master of orion
a111: Logged on 2017-01-30 16:55 mircea_popescu: speaking of which phf you still working on that ?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: funfact kindergarten cop is a textbook "comedic thriller"
scriba: ssh banner of 85.125.140.228 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
Framedragger: (i'm afraid i won't have much time to work on bot or anything for the next ~two months, though. will maintain things and slowly move ahead, tho.)
ben_vulpes: shinohai: that is a funny tweet from gavin
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: h1b pipeline jeopardized?
shinohai: haha ben_vulpes .... his tweets are just more of same butthurt and wtf since the "But he *is* satoshi* thing.
shinohai: All Unlimited is now superior to core things.
shinohai: "I'm half-Latina, my mother full-blooded. My father is white. At Thanksgiving, I was having a discussion with another relative when my dad's aunt called me a Communist and started chanting 'Build that wall.' Should I write her off?"
☟︎ thestringpuller: i've never seen h1b1 used for its "intended purpose". at first coal mine, director would hire h1b applicants over the norm due to cost.
thestringpuller: ended up turning the place into almagamation of sweatshop and click farm...
a111: Logged on 2017-01-31 15:07 asciilifeform: in other monkeystan chatter, 'Pence is sane enough to oppose rash acts involving, say, the evisceration of all U.S. military alliances, or America's first use of nuclear weapons - and presumably, if things got bad enough, other Trump cabinet members might also be inclined to oust their boss and replace him with his vice president. Congress would have to acquiesce in a permanent 25th Amendment
mircea_popescu: also, amendments to the constitution aren't made by congress.
shinohai: I like the "America's first use of nuclear weapons" part.
shinohai: "We all slept in history class"
mircea_popescu: jesus turns out the "our democracy" folk had been living in a full on play-by-the-ear dictatorship since the 70s ? they have nfi how anything works do they ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc yeltsin won this dispute in practice.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-31 15:07 asciilifeform: removal, but if Pence and half the cabinet declared Trump unfit, even a Republican-controlled Congress would likely fall in line.'
scriba: ssh banner of 71.232.150.212 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u2
mircea_popescu: this has been a random sampling of the ips leaked by people connecting today. Framedragger, any idea why only 1 in 4 is in your list ? evidently the ips are routable ; can you check if you talked to them and htey didn't respond, or just didn't talk to them ?
Framedragger: will check later! main guess is that there's no actuall ssh server running on port 22 (or rather, there was none at time of scan.) would be great to know the overall statistics, yes.
Framedragger: the `ssh` command should take multiple IPs per msg, btw
a111: Logged on 2017-01-31 17:38 shinohai: "I'm half-Latina, my mother full-blooded. My father is white. At Thanksgiving, I was having a discussion with another relative when my dad's aunt called me a Communist and started chanting 'Build that wall.' Should I write her off?"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-30 21:18 mircea_popescu: because, of course, "Sepan los nacidos y los que van nacer que nacimos para vencer y no para ser vencidos."
Framedragger: (is this to be expected, statistically speaking, and so on. but yes have logs, will check ~tomorrow or today)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger was planning to use it as a snide "you're leaking ip" for noobs' benefit
shinohai: Stupid hotel I'm in has only ipv6 addys
a111: Logged on 2017-01-31 18:12 asciilifeform: motherfucking tards.
ben_vulpes: compact size is an excellent example of a throwaway "engineering" decision that imposes rather a lot of costs on the future
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 16:20 asciilifeform: i will give example here, to nail in the point:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think "zero surprise compilation on all machines" is a notable or even desirable concern.
mircea_popescu: go, make "zero surprises compilation" on intel pentiums.
mircea_popescu: machine's problems must be solved by machines ; software is the standard they are led to much like the erect cock is the standard women are held to.
mircea_popescu: seems like a strange sort of fencing error. vaguely reminiscent of the whole "is 1 inch pipe 1 inch outside or inside ?" debacle for apprentice plumbers
mircea_popescu: that's a part of the thing. consider, why isn't "the whole notion of fixnum" that if you b = size+1 then b = 0 ?
mircea_popescu: so there's at least two "whole notion of fixnum is this"
mircea_popescu: well good for it, but if it introduces it without providing it then ada's an idea man ; we have plenty of these up in wash dc. their product is called "unfunded mandates".
mircea_popescu: the thing is called modular exponentiation you know :D
mircea_popescu: so basically, what my mind has strained from this convo, is that ada implements bound checking badly ; in that it (wrongly) assumes that it can always source a larget item to compare to, like < size+1.
mircea_popescu: dude, stop picking the irrelevant. pick the meat of what i say.
mircea_popescu: DO NOT implement bounds checking as "smaller than bound +1". DO implement bounds checking as "smaller or equal than bound".
mircea_popescu: i'm not interested in picking anything. bound checking is to be done by comparing TO THE BOUND not to some other random value picked by the compiler.
mircea_popescu: and therefore question for type Foo is range 0 .. 10 must always be, is foo <= 10 ; not is foo < 11
mircea_popescu: because if the programmer said the number 10, the compiler is NOT at liberty to invent magic number 11.
mircea_popescu: which fundamental reasons entirely consist of "alf the bee dog with his magical black and white spots vision managed to read the expliciting of the < vs <= difference SIX TIMES and ignore it every time"
mircea_popescu: are you saying the problem ISN'T after all that "the compiler can't find 0x10000000000000000" as you originalyl stated, but that it can't be arsed to compare to 0xffffffffffffffff instead ?
mircea_popescu: i thought bounds checking was introduced by the compiler not by the program.
mircea_popescu: indeed 0x10000000000000000 is not what the program stated ; and indeed the problem is that (if) the compiler adds one to what the program statyed ; it shouldn't do that.
mircea_popescu: if the compile rules do "add one and <" the compiler is wrong ; it should not add one ad <=.
mircea_popescu: the range is 0 to 0xfffffffffffffff. the test is >= 0 and <= 0xfffffffffffffff.
mircea_popescu: the test MAY NOT BE > 0 (or -1 ?) and < 0x10000000000000000. if the compiler does that the compiler is very, very stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 0x10000000000000000 is not in range no ; 0x0 is in range, yes.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear how you represent the y ; but whatever, half questions ftw.
mircea_popescu: you get memory access violation for trying to write at offset-1 in memory.
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise the above high level math was stand-in for asm.
mircea_popescu: so you do 0x100000000 * 0x100000000 and get the carry set and you blew it.
mircea_popescu: so it just returns the same as 0x000000000 + 0x000000000 ?
mircea_popescu: ok. what's this to do with ada i dunno, but anyway, there it is.
mircea_popescu: yes but here is used conceptually, as the "top half of the result", be it 1 bit or 1 machine word.
mircea_popescu: well i don't see how you can get 3 words by multiplying 1 word with another word.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's also fleshlights. i don't program on those.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but as long as the job is "check for machine word fixed type", the carry will save you.
mircea_popescu: incidentally this whole thing with mul add etc is a fine working example for the in band / out of band discussion.
mircea_popescu: ie, origin ally the philosophical minds prevailed, and a special wire was added (the carry). but then ww2 ended and saner minds prevailed ; thus double sized results on the same bus and the world went back to the peace and prosperity of everything in band.
mircea_popescu: myeah. but if i ever make a chip myself, there's not going to be fucking carry speshul bit.
mircea_popescu: and someone somewhere is going to want to talk of it directly rather than haskelly, and so they will use the concept of... machine words.
mircea_popescu: multi-wire bus delivers a specified amount of buckshot each fire.
mircea_popescu: the only way to make them wrong would be to make your cpu work without clock and bus cycles.
mircea_popescu: you understand, all this, cpu freq, bus aperture, words etc exist because simple and cheap solution to the clock problem
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less what rust dork has to say on any topic.
mircea_popescu: rust is pretty much the anti-language ; as someone explained "the red hat decided to present it as the thing and hope for all the idiots to contribute freely to make it the thing for this reason".
mircea_popescu: " I’ve heard that this results in a 5-10% slowdown for basically all JavaScript code."
mircea_popescu: dude are you kidding me ; anything in javascript is a 2-500% slowdown over everything else.
mircea_popescu: idiots, and by this i mean specifically intelligent ones, benefit immensely from warnings
mircea_popescu: especially if they are then followes through with merciless, disfiguring beatings.
mircea_popescu: the best thing you can do for a pianist in general is take a hammer to the fingers of the "most talented piano player of his generation" so he can never as much as open a can of tuna with his own hands ever again.
mircea_popescu: so yes, i'm perfectly willing and entirely able to banish knuth.
mircea_popescu: bad example, seeing how senescent senility is a fine excuse, but anyway
jurov suspects that all the alf-alikes just barfed at JO instruction "no we want trapping! and true pyrex glass!"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, amendments to the constitution aren't made by congress. << I think they are referring to section 4 of the 25th amendment, tis a mess
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