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mp_en_viaje: get the fuck out of here. there will be 10 TW nuclear operational by 2040.
asciilifeform: noshit. but in ru/cn, so 'doesn't exist' from reich muppet pov.
mp_en_viaje: heh.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: AHA, the catch is IEA doesn't count Russia, China, or India as "advanced economies"
mp_en_viaje: they're also not counting my dick going down their throat.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916184 << noticed almost immediately, lol, but ty ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-29 23:34 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916147 << you're doing the anchors backwards.
mp_en_viaje: whatever, next best use for tennessee is the "accidental" re-routing of spent nuclear fuel packages.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it's not the first time!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916180 << direct or inverse proportion ? in e.g. ffa, the # of 'can be changed an' still work' is ~0 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-29 23:30 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916138 << this incidentally is as fine a measure of code quality as could ever be hoped for : DLC, "disentangled lines count", the number of lines which can be changed.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it will ~compile~ tho
asciilifeform: often enuff, won't. sorta half the appeal of ada
asciilifeform: broken proggy , more times than not , gets caught in compiler
mp_en_viaje: how shall i formalize the idea here...
mp_en_viaje: you familiar with this phenomenon when, when a change is required, good program needs 1 line touched and github program needs EVERY line touched ?
asciilifeform: dijkstra's 'spaghetti'
mp_en_viaje: right. that's what i mean re dlc
asciilifeform: then sure. d called it 'structured programming' (i.e. the craft of ~not~ writing a proggy like this)
mp_en_viaje: not sure how to formalize it, because obviously, "change" in general connotes hilary & her merry dnc
asciilifeform suspects that dijkstra would've enjoyed 'peh', where there aint even such a thing as a jump
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916188 << i find it riotously lulzy that anyone still can be found to fall for the 'seekrit email' flavour of scamola. srsly, wtf ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-29 23:45 mp_en_viaje: being a common "private" email service recommended outside the republic > being a "private" email service commonly recommended outside the republic ?
asciilifeform: how the fuck do they get marketed..? 'OUR promisejuice is 9000x moar truthy than $rival's' ?!
mp_en_viaje: experimentally, plentyone can still be found to fall for the "just the tip" flavour.
mp_en_viaje: evercunt's everbusy.
asciilifeform: still beggars belief. these imho are almost literally 'selling brooklyn bridge'.
asciilifeform: standing next to the 'seekrit email' people, e.g. the 'herbal viagra' pushers look honest. (at least viagra actually exists)
asciilifeform: and cock exists, and could, in principle, stand. whereas 'private email service' is a dry water, a square circle.
BingoBoingo: Well, here's hwo herbal viagra works. They get some dry herbal and spray with with viagra then put in capsules. Sell as "herbal viagra" far more honest than the seekrit scamola
asciilifeform: for instance.
BingoBoingo: Still, the Herbal and the viagra are there. The seekrit email doesn't have seekrit, and the email part is doubtful
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-clouds-that-threaten-domestic-bliss/ << Trilema -- The Clouds That Threaten Domestic Bliss
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910413, not dead, to get up to speed I let my new job take over my life ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:10 mp_en_viaje: ave1, you dead baby ? what's going on with you ?
ave1: and then the bridge between the insane world and sane trilema became harder and harder to cross
ave1: I'm currently reading May, next April...
mp_en_viaje: a nice t0 hear!
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-19#1137548 in other old keks ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-05-19 00:48 justJanne: Every. Single. Time. A governmentally owned institution got sold to a US investor they either closed down 2 days later, became shit, or just expensive.
mp_en_viaje: imagine, if say the usg were sold on the market. do you think it'd either be closed in two days, or just discontinued for being shit ?
mp_en_viaje: clearly, this'd be the fault of the investors.
mp_en_viaje: imagine if someone collected all the us-ranged dependopopotami, all those suburban fat wives looking for someone to validate their concerns, and sold them off.
mp_en_viaje: closed two days later i wonder ? probably... ALSO the investor's fault ? it's not like "everything the government makes IS shit", not at all ?
asciilifeform: wb ave1 !
mp_en_viaje: in other usg lulz : back in 2010 there was romanian gavin : https://kingofromania.com/2011/12/31/the-foot-of-the-ladder/
mp_en_viaje: dood moved to romania, made a lot of noise about himself (iirc even married some local). meanwhile moved on to transnistria ("moldavia" thing).
mp_en_viaje: making a lot of noise about... that.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/50000-microsoft-sql-servers-captured-and-sent-to-altcoin-mines/ << Qntra -- 50,000 Microsoft SQL Servers Captured And Sent To Altcoin Mines
BingoBoingo: ^ In still other USG lulz
ave1: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: !#s kingofromania.com
a111: 9 results for "kingofromania.com", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kingofromania.com
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje ^ see also old lulz re subj.
asciilifeform: also waithefuq would anyone move to transnistria. why not to proper ru.
mp_en_viaje: cuz that's where the job sends, yes ?
asciilifeform: wait he had job?!
mp_en_viaje: apparently he's been working for usg.blue this whole time.
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: 'diplomat' ?
mp_en_viaje: "deep undercover" hurr durr.
mp_en_viaje: ~schmuck, but you know how it is, these have the easiest time
asciilifeform: afaik traditionally marrying aboriginals is verboten for these
mp_en_viaje: i think by now they use a sort of auxiliaries that are allowed to marry.
mp_en_viaje: "you're still working for the government, you just don't get a pension"
asciilifeform: so moar informant/stooge than 'spy' then
mp_en_viaje: moar like schmuck. vagabond. bum. how do you call these ? student ?
asciilifeform: lumpen?
mp_en_viaje: alright.
BingoBoingo: "Activist"
asciilifeform: re moldavia : asciilifeform has a hilarious ro textboot, from sovok-era moldavia. exactly , near as i can tell, ordinary ro, but cyrillicized
asciilifeform: ( and with modern-day ru-style cyrillic, rather than the slavonic pre-1860 thing seen in ro museums )
mp_en_viaje: i thought it's a little weird, /me throws a small bone, dog studiously pretends to not notice while tryna get all sorta typically needful "projects" off ground, like writing books and makign tv pilots.
mp_en_viaje: but patience solves all, apparently. now it snaps into sense shape
asciilifeform: how found that he's a blue muppet ? ( caught and connected to 220v and confessed? ) or indirect ?
asciilifeform brb:meat
BingoBoingo: And in local cultural weird, the pichis are more likely to tell the government surveyors they smoke "pasta base" (cocaine refining waste product) than marijuana https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/personas-que-viven-en-la-calle-aumentaron-a-2-038-segun-datos-del-mides-2019530111026
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, meanwhile since i'm here put a little more weight into the network and so on.
mp_en_viaje has been working on this god damned article ALL FUCKING DAY
asciilifeform: https://kingofromania.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/cyrillicromanian.jpg << in upstack lulz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: apparently d00d was kicked out of ro ?
asciilifeform: ( sounds like quite a feat )
mp_en_viaje: indeed. i had sluts live illegally for years, didn't even get fined.
asciilifeform: afaik this worx in ~erry country -- if you never encounter any official busybodies at all, why wouldja get kicked.
mp_en_viaje: nfi.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916136 << i'm using hunchentoot-1.2.35 but that's in no way explored, that's whatever i got out of quicklisp on first btcbase deploy ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-29 08:42 spyked: in particular, I saw trinque, phf and ben_vulpes have been using it in the past, so I'd appreciate any input you have on the matter
phf: i'm also using http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/talks/defservice/ in front of it, and i added support for hunchentoot, so i rarely write anything that looks like hunchentoot specific code.
phf: i'm not sure that's particularly useful. at the time i was still switching between running btcbase on hunchentoot in prod and on alisp/aserve in development
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916138 << this is apropos http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843481 lukego went on to write snabb switch, which is userspace network appliance construction kit ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-29 08:51 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915245 <-- in other c coad, /me spent his last 2-3 weeks looking at the tcp stack implementation in linus' kernel. it is truly a fungus, macguyvered with duct tape and rubber bands, such that changing one line almost anywhere breaks shit all over the place.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 17:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843300 << little known fact: slime's architecture was originally implemented in a similar project for erlang called distel, by the same author luke gorrie. lukego also wrote an emacs clone in erlang and tcp/ip stack in cmucl.
phf: they use some subset of intel cards that let you push/pull own raw packets from userspace, essentially bypassing linux tcpip implementation. that is a direction to consider..
mircea_popescu: conceivably.
mircea_popescu: trinque, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VJiWz/?raw=true
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/din-togo-din-togo-da-de-a-cui/ << Trilema -- Din Togo, din Togo... da' de-a cui ?
asciilifeform: phf: not clear for what one even needs linux if you got a lisptronic ip stack
asciilifeform: ( comparatively easy to bake fs, scheduler, etc , next to this )
asciilifeform: nic is the 1 inescapable peripheral when baking os; and by far the gnarliest.
mircea_popescu: maybe not fs. but it takes a bite.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4yVZ5/?raw=true
phf: asciilifeform: right, snabb doesn't have some of our restrictions, i.e. they accept all kinds of modern gnarl in exchange for the ability to send raw packets. i'm not sure their approach even works on old cards
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it, worx. plox to deedbot-invoice asciilifeform (i'ma have to refill the piggy before i can fill it tho). ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no rush.
asciilifeform: ty for the work, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: im thinking of catching up with all the invoicing this weekend.
asciilifeform also catching up , with the bloody ch18, the php crapola ate up moar sweat than -- i think -- any prev. ch, possibly aside from barrett
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a++ phototour btw
mircea_popescu: yee!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i'm about to transfer ~15 gb worth of pics through http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892065 mechanism, and it occurs to me... hey ben_vulpes would this be criminal misuse of the system ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:27 mircea_popescu: in other news, mp's own bash grenadiers regiment suggests an ad interim solution for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891951 in the shape of ls | grep ^x..$' | while read line; do curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=@$line" http://p.bvulpes.com -w %{url_effective}; done
asciilifeform: phf: i once sank good bit of time into attempt to bring up the ubiquitous 'crab nic' (realtek gb) from asm. broke teeth, it needs a working interrupt stack to run (i.e. 'spittoon in 1 strand', need entire os) . since then, found the 'seekrit' datashit, theoretically could do it, but not had time. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 16:15 asciilifeform: and recall, at one time asciilifeform burned 6mo+ to try and bring up realtek GB nic from 'raw iron', in the end did not even succeed in this
asciilifeform: ( and yes needs interrupt handler to ~send~, as well as receive, a frame, go figure. )
asciilifeform: in principle a useful os could consist simply of a lisp runtime and nic diddler (dun strictly need fs etc; could store bits on a nfs or the like)
asciilifeform brb:teatime
BingoBoingo: lol http://trilema.com/2019/din-togo-din-togo-da-de-a-cui/#selection-966.1-971.71