tmsr - Log 2018-11-08

lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 8 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Updated notes file http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xPCze/?raw=true attn asciilifeform ben_vulpes mod6

BingoBoingo: In other lulz of the day, trump crushed the mixed post election headlines by calling in Jeff Session's undated resignation letter

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: With the Senate solidly his it removes a check on Trump's ability to act without constraint.

BingoBoingo: Not particularly. Jeff Sessions as a pick largely served to keep the old wing of the GOP happy.

BingoBoingo: Consider McCain's lover Lindsey Graham went from being a shy boy to becoming Trump's biggest cheerleader after cancer won the war on McCain.

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile Session is still burdened by the decision he made to recuse himself from any question touching Russia because he talked to a Russian once apparently without wearing a wire/

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does things like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864888 just more accentuated (which practically means -- cutting http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#selection-67.86-67.102 from "academia" support faucet, 10x the size of "social security" support faucet). ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 17:28 mircea_popescu: he's rehauling the "obamacare" health bs. which he was fucking voted in to do. snipping all sorts of blue nonsense in the paybook, including surgery for disphorists.

mircea_popescu: you can look on trump as a smokeless slow burn erdogan, in this context, it entirely delivers.

BingoBoingo: Not to mention with blue party narrowly holding the House he is in a position to rip of the blue party's balls with cannabis legalization by pushing further on it than the dems are willing to go. Sessions has proved too... southern gentleman to help Trump sell it.

asciilifeform: d00d promised to cancel obummer'care' entirely, so far not pulled off

mircea_popescu: for some reason arresting a third of the judges "unthinkable" in the us, even as having such a thing as "activist judges" perfectly thinkable, and totally not the same as corruption. cuz it's only corruption if it fucks over pantsuit, see, otherwise it's "activism".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you've no fucking idea what you're talking about. it's off.

asciilifeform: then why am i still being charged for it (via ++ insurance premiums) lol

BingoBoingo: Because you haven't become a socio of the mutualista Española yet

asciilifeform: ( i'm completely willing to believe that the part that actually disgorges dough to the 'customers' is off , tho have not had any occasion to try it with own hands, i dun exactly qualify )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform turk did it. 3k in jail.

mircea_popescu: bout a third of the total.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to quote fresh meat, "oh, obamacare's been cancelled". they don't spiut out any more cash

mircea_popescu: the point wasn't whether they take it in or not doh

asciilifeform: sorta how the massive 'social security' tax is still collected 100%, even tho nobody with half a brain expects to see the pension thing

mircea_popescu: well yes. it is after all a http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's brother was stuck working with ce for a while, informs that among such wretches it is pronounced : 'wince'

BingoBoingo: The day of the Lockheed versus Boeing/McDonnelDouglas trials in Saint Louis, those things dominated all 4 channels on tv all day. The Lockheed selection was only beat in local media sad by 9/11

BingoBoingo: Upside is the Super Hornet lines in St Louis are outliving their expected life due to F-35

BingoBoingo: And F-35 means Brasil is going to sell the Super Tucano to the US to support the aging A-10 fleet because F-35 can't help

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's still ww2 tech, even if some monkeystan somewhere is still makin'it

asciilifeform: prolly can be shot even with ukr-style toy chopper, dun even need rockets

mircea_popescu: super toucano ? aaahahaha

asciilifeform: incidentally i'm almost surprised that toy chopper aint used as area denial weapon for actual chopper just yet

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik it is ? actual chopper 100% grounded in all conflict since vietnam war misexperience.

mircea_popescu: you mean, by the poolside ?

BingoBoingo: In other US election weird, a KKKalifornia to permanently be off by one hour won.

BingoBoingo: And in still other post election weird, a CNN stooge touched a female whitehouse intern during an altercation and had his press credential to get into the white house revoked

mircea_popescu: hey, it's trump's pussygrab farm, not murdoch's.

BingoBoingo: Fox is Murdoch's though it has cucked a lot since he handed it to the kids. CNN is buffalo guy Captain Planet's weird fetish project

asciilifeform: i've seen paper shredders with reverse gear, but those at least make some kind of sense ( unjamming )

mircea_popescu: yup.

mircea_popescu: industrial red button very much different item ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (most machine powered moving lines come with an emergency stop, which is also mandated by labour safety in many contexts and for good reason ) ☟︎

lobbes: am I the only one who has seen/used a cancel button on a toaster before? Put toast in for $maxtime, wait until it looks/smells done, hit button and bam, perfect toast.

mircea_popescu: however, you eminently can't cancel toasting, it's the paradigmatic enthalpic process, and anyone with a college education (such as, presumably, anyone involved in the production of objects, and in general in any practical portion of white civilisation) would be aware. ☟︎

lobbes: I guess the point is that it is redundant; pushing up on the main lever has the same effect.

mircea_popescu: lobbes turning the knob back to 0 not exactly same ?

mircea_popescu: there is, you understand this, there is no way to cancel toasting.

mircea_popescu: the "cancelling" will happen either in the imagination ("this bread doesn't really look as if it were toasted so it wasn't") or else in the imagination some other way. but in reality, toasting is irreversible.

mircea_popescu: but this is not the same thing, is it ?

mircea_popescu: hence my point, re "they in the culture are strictly unable of either understanding or meaningfully describing culture"

mircea_popescu: ie, i wouldn't trust george hunt to explain kawaikutl, ESPECIALLY because he washes and also speaks english./

mircea_popescu: anyway, there's many portions of "what occurs" that occur strictly in the imagination. "healthy", for instance. this isn't fundamentally wrong -- but anthropology is specifically the scholarly delineation of these. as they're at least seemingly needed for normal functioning in most contexts, and generally adaptative, they're not readily accessible to the common intellect.

mircea_popescu: as per "the soldier whio thinks he'll win makes a better soldier than the soldier who thinks he'll lose -- though nobody yet walked on a battlefield and won". or w/e, replace "gambler" for "soldier" if you prefer.

jurov: mod6: can we close the auction 10 hours early? I won't have much time tomorrow.

lobbesbot: jurov: Sent 1 day, 15 hours, and 30 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> is the http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=makefiles dead ?

jurov: asciilifeform: yes dead for now, it was running on same heathenvps as the mailing list

asciilifeform: jurov: can haz it again plox ? it was pretty great, i used it in all of my trb work

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-08#1870187 << i personally own several machines with such buttons, they make perfect sense ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-08 14:45 mircea_popescu: (most machine powered moving lines come with an emergency stop, which is also mandated by labour safety in many contexts and for good reason )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-08#1870189 << from that pov, 'you can't unsaw fingers' , either, yet the saw has the switch ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-08 14:46 mircea_popescu: however, you eminently can't cancel toasting, it's the paradigmatic enthalpic process, and anyone with a college education (such as, presumably, anyone involved in the production of objects, and in general in any practical portion of white civilisation) would be aware.

asciilifeform: i dun think there even ~is~ a power tool that dun fit the 'paradigmatic enthalpic process' formulation

asciilifeform: ( 'stop' button on toaster is still a lol, thing has power cord, and i can't picture why you would want to cut the current faster than it takes to yank the cord, it ain't a saw )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i can think of 1 industrial tool that is, to a degree, 'reversible' in the thermodynamic sense, even ~after~ finger went in. the thread cutter. standard instruction , if idjit gets his finger in, is to get him to stay put while the thing is slowly put in reverse, then ends up only with heavy bruise, rather than skinned (if pulled straight out)

auctionbot: B#1006 O=311mn LB=310mn E=2018-11-08 13:48:41.550007 (10h6) >>> 2k wFF

asciilifeform: mod6: can't think of any ( but does the bot have an actual cancel-toast button ? )

asciilifeform: cuz if it doesn't, the toast had better fully toast, or we're living in sin imho

mod6: If not, then jurov, please go ahead and send the wire to the DC ( you can use the same info from last time ). If you need the wire info again, please say so and I'll have BingoBoingo send it to you.

mod6: Also, please send me a btc addy to pay you at, will send the coins within 24 hours -- probably later today for sure.

mod6: Not sure if cancel-toast would untoast the auction. I'd like there to be a record of the auction, so I'm fine to let it close by expiry.

diana_coman: re auction bot: the way this sort of thing worked in eulora is basically by agreement; afaik there is no untoast button (nor do I see how it would make sense really)

asciilifeform: imho letting auction carry on even tho the auctioned item already left the house , is playing with fire ☟︎

diana_coman: asciilifeform, as long as one has replacement in case it's needed...; for the other part though, there is also the in-wot thing, not like "anyone can bid"

mod6: i can see that arg, asciilifeform. lobbes are you opposed to an !Xclose <auction_number> : which would accept the current highest bid? mircea_popescu, et. al. is this a good idea? ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863219 -> whine! I get the record neat representation part in Ada (or so I think). Re serialization though my current understanding is that I *have to* use ...Streams; is this even correct? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-16 13:56 diana_coman: at any rate when I get to the records I might come and whine loudly if I get stuck

diana_coman: asciilifeform, how can I serialize the record into an array of octets? I keep thinking there's something obvious that I just don't get

asciilifeform: diana_coman: either this, or the 'unchecked conversion' you had earlier (given that you specify a fixed size for the record, you will always end up with the given number of octets, it has no failure mode)

diana_coman: hm, I kept thinking for some reason that there was a 3rd way (i.e. NOT streams and not unchecked) but I just did not see it; I'll have a look at the unchecked unions

asciilifeform: i suppose the 3rd way would be to write simple serializer ( that uses System.Address and yourthing'Size ) to turn your record type into (and out of) the requisite # of octets, and compartmentalize all of the System.Address'ism in 1 module. i have something quite similar to this in my mmap lib.

asciilifeform: but as for the q of 'can haz this without any smell of c sulfur' , the answr is no, because entire concept is slightly antithetical to adaism, and so you gotta 'cheat' at least a little in order to permit it.

asciilifeform: according to the 'rationale' document, serialization is ~the~ reason why streams are even a thing

diana_coman: that's the thing: wherever I turned re serialization it kept pushing the streams, hence my earlier "it seems I have to use streams,eurgh"

asciilifeform: there's exactly 2 ways to do it -- the above conversion mechanisms, or the stream (read nqb to see how) . cuz transmutation of data types is a specifically dangerous act, that is deliberately not made easy in ada

diana_coman: I still can't quite see the reason to make a stream in order to write a known-size record to a known-size array of octets though

diana_coman: in this particular case the unchecked conversion still makes more sense to me

asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's safe (i.e. endianism-proof) if you actually nail down the layout of the record (see barnes re how)

diana_coman: I'll play a bit with those unchecked unions too though, I hadn't looked at them

asciilifeform: when you do this kind of thing, you gotta make sure that the proggy behaves correctly regardless of what rubbish may have been put into the octet form that gets transformed to the record. ( possibly this is obvious, but imho bears restating )

asciilifeform: type cast is the single most dangerous operation there is ( second only to pointerism, and notice how ada makes the latter extremely painful ) hence the thing forces you to 'measure 7 times, cut 1ce'

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I honestly don't feel any pain re pointerism as I don't miss it AT ALL

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform many things are "partially reversible". phb hanging over table ends up with necktie pulled in. reversible up to the isadora duncan moment.

diana_coman: fwiw those past few days I had to get back to some C/CPP code and there was this funny moment where I read some code adding 2 vars of different types and my mind went instantly eeeek

mircea_popescu: mod6 you can close it prematurely by convention, i guess. there's good reason not to have a dedicated button, however.

diana_coman: quite! and unfortunately I'll still have the works in the sewer in parallel for quite a while

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm sorta used to the 'eek', having a daytime saecular work that happens 100% in sewer

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-08#1870226 << what's the fire, you'll be stuck with, in the worst case, two items ? you can use them. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-08 15:50 asciilifeform: imho letting auction carry on even tho the auctioned item already left the house , is playing with fire

asciilifeform: could be, i suppose, bigger headache , if auction were for the graf zeppelin, rather than some lunchmoney

mircea_popescu: yes, well, in that case "i'm busy tomorrow" would carry a lot less water.

mircea_popescu: things work themselves out.

jurov: We checked our notes and it came out that exact amount needed for pizarro datacenter payment is $2934.06 USD. The auction was intended for this amount, not just "$2k". Am i right mod6 BingoBoingo?

mod6: I thought we had it covered with the two previous auctions, but jurov thankfully noted that we'd have been short.

mircea_popescu: lmao

asciilifeform: btw, diana_coman were you able in the end to make sense of the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2675 proof ? ( mircea_popescu's s.mg broadcast implies that yes -- but thought i oughta ask conceretely ) ☟︎

BingoBoingo: And in breaking news, Ruth Bader Ginsburg's ribs. She's on the wrong side of 85... Trump is probably getting a third Supreme Court nominee soon.

bvt: hello, i have finally genesised the ada base64 lib: http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/base64-genesis/

a111: Logged on 2018-11-08 17:40 asciilifeform: btw, diana_coman were you able in the end to make sense of the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2675 proof ? ( mircea_popescu's s.mg broadcast implies that yes -- but thought i oughta ask conceretely )

a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 20:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: happens to be exactly what i set out to; on top of that, even got a gpg extractor (currently in py, but slated for adaization) , precisely for same

deedbot: asciilifeform rated bvt 1 at 2018/10/10 21:20:12 << n00b, ada/vtronics experiments

asciilifeform: !!v 13E785BFE17551850FE162FA3F8EE8FCF0DC73E31F0F660C1BFF0E38BBEF6FFE

bvt: asciilifeform: thanks. radix-64 (gpg ascii armor) is pretty similar to the RFC base64, so changes to the code will be minimal.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-27 17:17 hanbot: mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: nicoleci sent 31 emails (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861765 ) to various news outlets last night, and will report any replies here. i expect more mail to go out this week, will update.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none so far.

asciilifeform: i'dve naively thought that of 31 fishwraps , at least 1 is not fully retarded

mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if, over the entirety of conde nast "portofolio", there's a man-day per day of actual attention available. http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/#selection-45.141-45.160 is in no different shape, and none of the smaller spamfarms differ in any sense.

mircea_popescu: the way of the web is "have people talk into the bag", tv minds tryna hard to re-create tv out of the information superhighway truck.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as close as practicable, yes, bearing in mind however they use excel scripts.

mircea_popescu: so... some subhuman involved.

mircea_popescu: not the kind that can actually respond to salutations tho. ("too much pressure").

asciilifeform: subhuman is typically 'programmed' with '3ring' formulary binder, and we aint in it

asciilifeform: ( or whoever the fuck is the current gavin, i've lost track of the concretes )