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shinohai: ty BingoBoingo
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1464.38, vol: 9180.20443000 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1405.0, vol: 6992.17556 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1583.9, vol: 16774.8043119 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1246.99855, vol: 10465.64550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1474.974, vol: 5285.85252517 | Volume-weighted last average: 1451.45748104
mod6: evenin'
ben_vulpes: heya
mod6: how goes, Sir?
ben_vulpes: pretty damn well, i gotta say
ben_vulpes: plants are growin, babies are babblin, babes are beautiful, my plate is full of things to do, and we're supposed to get 2 solid days of over-eighty weather
mod6: nice!
mod6: pretty swell disposition dear sir.
ben_vulpes: zero room to complain
ben_vulpes: oh wait
mod6: haha
ben_vulpes: my breakfast burrito was slightly off, and my stomach's been gurgling all day
ben_vulpes: there i found something to complain about
ben_vulpes: *phew*
mod6: got the mcgurgles?
ben_vulpes: well the asparagus and chicken seems to have smoothed everything out, so i guess i can't even really complain about present circumstances!
mod6: werd.
ben_vulpes: btw girl does stellar asparagus; they're in season and big enough they can both steam on the inside and crisp up on the outside.
ben_vulpes: and yourself?
mod6: ah, well, was my mom's birthday today. so tough. but other than that...
mod6: things are looking up. weather is getting nicer.
mod6: i'm pretty excited about tmsr~ / trb/trbi things upcoming.
ben_vulpes: seems as though there is some "fun" to be had with ada
ben_vulpes still sojurning through cpp swamps
ben_vulpes: wrong word; wading more appropriate.
mod6: yeah, it's a swamp
mod6: im starting to get into ada things... but i have a lot of problems with `gnatmake`, not sure exactly why.
mod6: but chalking it up to I don't know what I'm doing quite yet.
mod6: anyway, stan's ffa is exciting to read through.
mod6: i can't honestly get it to compile though.
mod6: so im doing something idiotic im sure.
mod6: anyway, seems a common theme with me and ada. starting to wonder if my compiler version is fubar or someweird shit.
mod6: like, simple things such as examples and such, tons of barfing.
mod6: *shrug*
mod6: i'll keep working on it, might be an env related thing.
mircea_popescu: mod6 try on a vps or something standard ? just to get a comparison point ?
mircea_popescu: in other meanwhiles, http://68.media.tumblr.com/065c29f21ca1136b25c325a67b81696a/tumblr_o1syt4y8Ze1uycyh2o1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: Talk about a shocker!
mircea_popescu: mass innervation, she just arcs.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7550
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7575&pr=1
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7573&pr=1
mircea_popescu: can't say i can argue with his "not even human".
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, will report back after i try some diff envs. etc. thx!
mircea_popescu: could be just some random env stupidity, which from experience can eat a dozen dev hours for entirely n ogood reason. "nobody'd have thought of that"
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/move-bundles-to-container-when-training/ << Daniel P. Barron - Move Bundles to Container When Training
mircea_popescu: aaand in the random relulz of today, http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ty
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: http://www.randomsanity.org << faux phuctor -- by, apparently, no less than gavin.
asciilifeform spent good chunk of yesterday at sea
mircea_popescu: "Get an array of 64 bytes from whatever source of cryptographically-secure randomness you are using. Encode them as hex, and make a REST query to the randomsanity service. The service will return ‘true’ if it those bytes look random and nobody else has submitted the same stream of bytes; otherwise it will return ‘false’."
mircea_popescu: aaaahahahaha
asciilifeform bbl.
mircea_popescu: holy shit. how can the doofus be this fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: o look, " luke macken has created a systemd startup script"
mircea_popescu: he's going to tell you if your bits are random!!! because randomnesity is a property of the actual bits. this is sanity nao.
shinohai: omfg this"Random Sanity" thing is too rich.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2017 Statement
mircea_popescu: im qntraing,
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just curious, how are there "parallels with BitBet's misadventures last year about this time"? the "dead recokining" accounting standard?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WpkQY/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: Framedragger bitbet ended up short ~same btc, idiot chorus went "well since mp happens to be doing the accounting for it, and he's rich anyway, he should make whole our delusions as how the world works. because we have parenting issues from a bad childhood and also are so fucking speshul."
mircea_popescu: mp then told them where to stick it, they're STILL struggling to digest the matter, a year later.
mircea_popescu: and they will continue to, for the indefinite future, hide behind "oh, i can't say fuckgoats and THAT is why my brain doesn't work -- it's my principles!!1"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strategy of the 'random' thing is ~same as usual -- make an idiocy to 'replace' an inconvenient genuine thing
asciilifeform: plan being, 'everyone' will remember the turd, not the victim
shinohai is genuinely stunned as to why anyone would believe *anything* Gavin has to say on the subject of cryptography after Hoaxtoshi.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that if mp does the accounting then the accounting is done and if he does not IT IS NOT DONE!!! no matter fucking what! what was the response to mp showing up in 2012 and showing the tardstalk crowd how to do the accountin g ? they didn't start doing accounting, they STOPPED it altogether. no more reports now, were all the rage back then but now it's no longer "something new to say", as discussed in the logs.
asciilifeform: gavinphuctor will be the one discussed by 'experts' at rubber chicken confs, to arse technica, etc.
mircea_popescu: and if mp organises a conference there's going to be a conference and if he does not there's not going to be one and if we need an isp how about mp makes it and so on and so forth up the fucking wall. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing wrong with that, either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ours is not an age of heroes, no.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it is infantilism, through and through. "the only people who can do things are the parents, and we're not parents. the only thing we the children do is talk shit about mom's pie."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevermind heroes.
asciilifeform: and lol , mircea_popescu's lament is ~exactly asciilifeform's ~yearly 'when i stop writing trb fixes, they stop getting written'...
mircea_popescu: to quote the true avatars of this "our democracy" retardation, "we could build a cabin like that!" "well... not us. but two men could."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is not a lament.
Framedragger: yes, infantilism, and a general pattern, but it wasn't just "accounting" back then, it was mp billing multiple spends as "cartel research", and other shareholder disagreeing with this. but anyway, after actually reviewing logs, my interim conclusion is "forest is deep, and don't sign a zero asset contract framedragger"
mircea_popescu: the point is that this nonsensical construct where "oh, we'll avoid having our balloon worldview pricked by not doing anything -- hey, this guy is doing something, how come he can't give less of a shit about all the pricks we fear ?!?!" is wholly psychogenic. i get that the man-child abomination really truly fears the imaginary pricks he perceives to exist. but it can't be allowed to stand, this notion, that his nonsense is s
mircea_popescu: omehow real.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's always going to be "something else".
mircea_popescu: but that something else is always going to be the same exact thing -- the realisation that the world as dreamed is not the world as is, and the incapacity of the child to metabolize this fact. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the whole rota debacle -- exactly the same thing, as well. "oh, but that was something else". no, not really.
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651261 << i'm not disagreeing, but am lol'ing at the fact that the "other side" would probably say the exact same thing. "delusionary worldview" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:19 mircea_popescu: but that something else is always going to be the same exact thing -- the realisation that the world as dreamed is not the world as is, and the incapacity of the child to metabolize this fact.
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: that's, after all, the principal tool of neoteny. "all opinions are just opinions and bla bla". you ever read the ars digita bit ?
Framedragger: well no, they'd actually say that there is an objective worldview. it's just that the haecceity (ha) pointers towards "this is objective" are inverse as it were ☟︎
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don't believe i have
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/olupY#selection-187.1-189.403 fine bit re this whole relativism bullshit.
mircea_popescu: one of the first large companies to be sunk by "other side" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: (the difference between mp and pg being that mp is not a dodo bird. pg meanwhile -- deleted the item from his own site. how about that, to lose a company is one thing, but to lose THE HAVING LOST IT ?!?! the actual part of your own personal history ? fuck me sideways, these idiots.) ☟︎
Framedragger: nice piece, yeah
mircea_popescu: worth a read, certainly.
Framedragger: (nice quoted bit, too, i see the relation, i don't agree that bitbet can be modelled as "just opinions", but w/e)
mircea_popescu: somehow even more credible in having been disavowed by its original author. people with constructed negative credibility, how about that! ☟︎
Framedragger: hah. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what do you mean you don't agree, you just did it ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651278 << there's an absolutely phenomenal scene in jackie brown (the tarantino movie) in which nigga explains "you can't trust natalie, but you can always trust natalie to be natalie." he entirely speaks of the whole dreamer generation, white cocksucker of the male or female persuasion indifferently. dodo bird goes "dodo", reliably. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:27 Framedragger: hah.
Framedragger: i actually vaguely remember. is that also where guy shoots girl towards the end because she was being bitchy? :D
mircea_popescu: yep.
Framedragger: nice
mircea_popescu: he doesn't shot her because SHE was being bitchy.
mircea_popescu: and in general - nobody will care about you enough to shoot you for you.
mircea_popescu: he shoots her because he was being insecure.
Framedragger: aha!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i will give one example. about a year ago, there was a discussion with sturles about mempool and the whole zero fee tx clusterfuck. at some point later on, you said that (can't find quote, paraphrasing) on scrutiny, sturles' account broke apart. whereas i read it as "discussion was ongoing, then mp changed topic".
Framedragger: i do not agree with this latter judgement, while understanding that "not agreeing with facts" is an instance of "being natalie"
Framedragger could revisit, but later
mircea_popescu: if you find the link, i'll re-read.
Framedragger: sure
mircea_popescu: not that i have any doubt one examples may be forthcoming for the indefinite future.
Framedragger: if still curious, looks like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1420979 , i'll reread later actually ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 16:06 sturles: HepP!
Framedragger bbl
Framedragger: (on cursory re-glance, it's less clear, cached picture in my head was too "strong". interested to hear opinions anyway, unless too much of a beaten dead horse smell)
mircea_popescu: what he's saying reduces to "the bitcoin nodes run non standard code which keeps two mempools - one to tell you, a different one to use for their own, not transparent reasons". this is exactly what i was saying also, but restated in such a way to give some appearance of footing to the usual tardstalk "oh, guise, you can't know for sure" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: not like said relativism CAN have a footing anyway, so the whole difference is moot in any sense.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's really fucking simple : standard bitcoin node either has a transaction in its mempool or does not have it in its mempool. if it has it then it can't keep it secret from you, which in standard bitcoin is anyone. if it does not have it then it does not have it. that's the whole story of mempools.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the philosophical zombie approach, ie constructing an "agentless, accidental chain of events which has the exact same outputs" is ~always~ open. see as a fine example http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-21#1304589 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-21 17:08 assbot: Saudi prince avoids felony charges in sex assault case near Beverly Hills - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSFdZ4 )
mircea_popescu: whole world of crypto is based, fundamentally, on the rejection of this naivite.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it'll be nothing but "hey guise, some bits flipped because cosmic-rays and that's how the deed got deeded" all over the place.
mircea_popescu: (oh btw -- it's MELANIE (for reasons, the dark one, see disgrace also) not natalie. nfi what i was thinking)
Framedragger: ah ah, natalie was the cool(er) one, gotcha
Framedragger: or wait, jackie was the dark one, no
Framedragger: bad memory!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: pam grier is an actual sexploitation actress.
mircea_popescu: she was in women in cages and whatnot, i'm sure tarantino jacked it to her loads.
shinohai: In other lulz from the randomsanity site: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-5wK4IWAAA11wX.jpg
mircea_popescu: shinohai you tried sampling of pi digits yet ?
shinohai: Nope, but 'tis on the agenda
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the stocks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2d9ce3685e0e19576fe02c6c77d84a6a/tumblr_o0s6r6DFe61uswp8qo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: It pays to have an assortment of stocks and ASSets
mircea_popescu: aha!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-30#1650298 << ty, i'm still thinking about it. am in paris, so not much computer time. it's a perfect subj to pen and paper at cafes, while drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-30 22:08 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DqmQw/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: lmao this guy. i think the lord globetrotter may have been more apt.
phf: siegneur touriste
mircea_popescu: paris in may though... i guess if i were a girl i'd be trying to suck up to you right about now.
mircea_popescu: (yes yes the actual paris is a smelly boil. but how's a girl to know ?)
phf: it's dusty when it's not raining, and it's cold when it is, which is most the time, so romantic though omg
mircea_popescu: lol
phf cue a guy with an accordion
Framedragger: phf: have you been to the catacombs? not the "tourist tour" way, but the "crawling through them all night, emerge victorious in middle of street" way
Framedragger: they're megafun
Framedragger: (then again, when i boarded a 1st class train to berlin in the morning after ~6h overnight crawl with no time to change clothes, i was seen as a wildman (unkempt beard at the time, too), scared some old german ladies. "megafun" for certain definitions lol)
Framedragger: (quite certain i was called "that hippie" in german by some (wannabe) upperclass old germans; i have 0 regrets)
Framedragger: (one person to ask re. entrance guidance if interested by chance is one boklm, should be on OFTC irc network)
phf: heh
phf: we've made friends with a "cataphilie", but we will probably have to take him up on his offer next trip (as much as it pains us, we do ue stuff wherever we go)
phf: girl's been sick, and i don't think damp cold cavernous air is going to do her good
Framedragger: yeah prolly not :(
phf: i also haven't packed any exploration clothes. but i have one more day, which is otherwise entirely free, so it's possible that we'll end up dropping on a whim
Framedragger: i know it sounds like bullshit, but serious suggestion: helmet. very uneven ceiling, lots of bumps (unless 100% careful)
Framedragger interviewed one guy "down there" (he had part of "cave" and christmas lights on wall, said he spend lots of time there, yeah not sure about dampness, i mean god damn), said "oh yeah i'm used to taking acid and getting lost here", nonchalant
Framedragger: "ok dude"
mircea_popescu: lol published this interview ?
phf: lol, helmet, barbour jacket, dress shoes, heels "we took a wrong turn somewhere"
Framedragger: no :( wrong wording. i sat down with him for a chat. did not record. because daft kid << sorry
mircea_popescu: if you take her in heels might as well make her leave the dress at the entrance. go for the whole nine yards!
Framedragger: in our group there was a kid who took a laptop and a camera. there were places where water level reached crotch. ... computer kids
Framedragger: (we did do an amateur key signing party down there, sorta, so that was nice)
mircea_popescu: ew, crypt water!
Framedragger: with lotsa skulls!
Framedragger: (avoidable on more tourist-y routes, of course)
mircea_popescu: so you're technically speaking a baptised satanist.
Framedragger: oh i wish, wouldn't that be grand!
Framedragger: i guess it counts.
mircea_popescu: well ? waded though underground skull river ?
Framedragger: hm!
Framedragger: OK, will do. when Lords have taglines...
phf: well, the catacombs are technically consecrated, so that presumably makes the water holy? i'm not sure what catholic rules for desecration are. taking stuff from catacombs is it for sure though
Framedragger: one of our party took part of a skull that was embedded in some wall. maybe that counts?..
phf: absolutely
Framedragger: (we also snorted some adderall (the crudeness of this was offset by popping a bottle of decent wine open, it's all good))
phf: jeez, that's like some "my first 16 ue adventure" stuff :p
Framedragger: !~ud ue
jhvh1: Framedragger: ue :: Term denoting [Urban Exploration]. Used as both a noun and a verb. The idea of urban adventure is also expressed via [URBEX] and [URBANEX]. [ex:] Let's UE the derelict old warehouse on Fifth Street tonight.I'm acquainted with the tenets of UE. Today, I document for posterity what will vanish tomorrow. [/ex] | User Error, from WikiPedia:The phrase User Error or USR error, is a technical term (4 more messages)
Framedragger: hah :D
Framedragger: damn, ud is da shit amirite
mircea_popescu: seems the transition to graveyard culture will be indeed smooth.
mircea_popescu: phf eh, the whole satanism thing is all about mock-catolicism. "oh, it's a cross, but it's BLACK!!1 oh it's a mass but it's DARK!111".
Framedragger: !~s william blake "marriage of heaven and hell"
jhvh1: Framedragger: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
Framedragger: !~google william blake "marriage of heaven and hell"
jhvh1: Framedragger: The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage_of_Heaven_and_Hell>; The Marriage of Heaven and Hell . William Blake . 1908. The Poetical ...: <http://www.bartleby.com/235/253.html>; William Blake - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - Levity: <http://www.levity.com/alchemy/blake_ma.html>
Framedragger: ^ (nice text, illustrations etc) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing mp business school apparently : phg's dodisms / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651277 is directly obvious from the text, of course. even a casual reader can find the answer "because he VERY MUCH WANTS mit to matter and count for something" to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651273 question. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:26 mircea_popescu: somehow even more credible in having been disavowed by its original author. people with constructed negative credibility, how about that!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:25 mircea_popescu: (the difference between mp and pg being that mp is not a dodo bird. pg meanwhile -- deleted the item from his own site. how about that, to lose a company is one thing, but to lose THE HAVING LOST IT ?!?! the actual part of your own personal history ? fuck me sideways, these idiots.)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the dodoism is apparent WAY the fuck sooner, much like the castle actually became das schloss way before the casual reader noticed.
mircea_popescu: in this particular case it's here : https://archive.is/olupY#selection-115.505-115.603
mircea_popescu: "The terms we'd been offered from the three other serious venture capitalist bidders were similar."
mircea_popescu: there are two ways in which polling agents results in the same string. the first is, if the item considered is banal, you show a cup to three people and get "it is a cup" back. the second is, when they have agreed among themselves to, basically, lie to you. "we call this rape", and the subtle difference already says it. "it's sex, the kind we call rape, much like if it were a cup the kind we call grail"
mircea_popescu: now then, once they already told him they were lying to him, through having made a "consensus", it was his fucking job to decide which way they're lying. if they're overvaluing he should have sold ; if not he should have shown all of them the door.
mircea_popescu: except he doesn't think he can do this, because, essentially, he does not think he can be an adult. he is a child, and his name for daddy is "mit".
mircea_popescu: children don't get to run things, or in his own words "like watching a group of nursery school children who've stolen a Boeing 747 and are now flipping all the switches trying to get it to take off"
mircea_popescu: except it's not a boeing, it's a woman, and the flipping and licking by children does not get her going. even if i doing the ~exact same thing~ end up with an ex-lesbian in my living room.
mircea_popescu: and as to the parallel mp school of philosophy : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651269 << no, regression is NOT a functional means to salvage. not your childhood, as the psychiatric defense ; not nonsense, as the "philosophical" bullshit deployed here, not dead notions of citizenship as seen in the cancer eating the legal system, not bad software through the "magic" of "a framework" and "Abstracting away" etc. regression ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:22 Framedragger: well no, they'd actually say that there is an objective worldview. it's just that the haecceity (ha) pointers towards "this is objective" are inverse as it were
mircea_popescu: does not work.
mircea_popescu: but, to do a third, mp's linguistics class : the sufferer does put the signature of his sufferance in his utterances. which is why they're so easy to identify (and how they manage to find each other and clump together like dogvomit.) dodo bird will say dodo bird things, such as "consensus" and "it is hard to lose money hiring mit graduates" and on it goes, lengthy list.
mircea_popescu: people WILL tell you what ails their mind. it's why it's an ailment in the first place.
mircea_popescu: it leaks bits.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/usg-asset-gavin-andresen-pretends-to-meaningfully-inspect-your-random/ << Qntra - USG Asset Gavin Andresen Pretends To Meaningfully Inspect Your Random
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/05/03/quest-for-the-crafty-noob/ << Ossasepia - Quest for the Crafty Noob
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7549 << Public Sector Revenue Generation
jurov: S.QNTR distributed
shinohai: ty jurov
danielpbarron: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ERPBs/?raw=true
deedbot: accepted: 1
danielpbarron: jurov, ^
mircea_popescu: o hey, foundation owning shares, too ?
Framedragger: i was wondering how this'd work accounting-wise :D
danielpbarron: or just sell them and donate the btc, whatever works
mircea_popescu: !#s fee tail
a111: 3 results for "fee tail", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fee%20tail
jurov: i'll just keep them and gleefully report them monthly until mod6 and ben_vulpes move
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-464675.txt
shinohai just npw realized he has almost been contributing to Qntra for one year now .... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: o hey!
Framedragger: gratz shinohai
shinohai: ty. Would likely have never gotten addicted but BB and mircea_popescu kept goading me to.
trinque: looks like deed transactions are packing sufficient fee again.
mircea_popescu: cool deal
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-5xbR3WsAMGY1r.jpg <<< reddit opines on cuckoldry
trinque: trilema did it way better
trinque: also the preoccupation with this "omg daughter will be fucked" is latent protestant incestual pedophilia
trinque: they have to be the worst group of people ever to walk the earth
trinque: the guy who wrote that is exactly the guy beating off to the camwhore cooing in baby voice with a teddy bear, and that's only because he can't get the clinton goods
shinohai: Precisely.
shinohai: And trilema always does it better lol
Framedragger: anarcho_capitalism, such subreddit. on the other hand top comment *is* "Have you tried NOT wanting to fuck your daughter?"
trinque: say what you want about the catholics; at least they make their pedos wear funny clothes so you see them coming.
shinohai: lel
trinque: unrelatedly hey asciilifeform, got an apu2? ☟︎
trinque loves this little box
trinque: ty for the recommendation of pcengines
mircea_popescu: trinque well, they're scottish originally. unsurprisingly enough.
danielpbarron: guy errs when he says "some random guy gets her" -- this proceeds from the destructive practice of teaching daughters that their opinion matters and they should do what feels good to them, rather than telling them to do as you say and marry who you tell them to
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "have you tried not wanting to fuck guys???" whadda ya know, next they'll "cure" pedos. because they're so totally unlike gays and everything. ☟︎
Framedragger: yeah the "curable!" western obsession is quite funny
danielpbarron: most churches now embrace homosexuality. But if they weren't teaching destructive heresies they'd say homosexuality is indeed wrong, and that it can be cured by simply believing in Jesus Christ
mircea_popescu: "how do you cure the problem of wanting the wrong things ?" "by getting rid of the strange notion that what you want matters."
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it sounds exactly like throwing out the nubile young daughter out with the cumrag to they afflicted.
danielpbarron: that is a very Christian thing to say. Christ says to hate yourself, and that your ways are wicked; that your desires are for evil
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4o2EhIWYAEHhKC.jpg <<< /me would really like to know what is in those jars
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the chinos seem to have completely given up on tx priority by fee. there's 20 sat/B items included, there's 200 sat/B item waiting for hours in the pool, it's a complete, ridiculous mess. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: how can anyone pretend like the bitcoin miners aren't attacking the bitcoin network with such behaviour is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: but hey, the usg stoolies managed to prevent meaningful discussion with all their ineptitudes and idiocies, which is generally how the usg stays afloat. not like anyone takes it seriously in the direct. they just manage to make it so nobody can hear anyone else who isn't an idiot and that's good enough.
mircea_popescu: (andpool, as usual, the worst offender.) ☟︎
pete_dushenski: the cny/usd-btc spread has also grown by 6% in the last 24hrs. pboc pulling strings again ?
mircea_popescu: human idiocy is built out of the self-conscious efforts of a multitude of microscopic wise guys.
pete_dushenski: speaking of self-conscious wise guys, where does moldova fit on the natoreich-realworld spectrum ?
mircea_popescu: ~same as odessa
pete_dushenski: so close enough to realworld for tmsr dc ?
mircea_popescu: meh.
pete_dushenski: kk.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, weren't you kinda vaguely interested in doing fg sales ?
pete_dushenski keeps hunting, scouring the two corners of the globe
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yes. this is related.
mircea_popescu: or is it going to be the case that you'll go through the motions of pretending interest in whatevert topic du jour and i'm not going to say anything because i';m lazy ? what's the thinking ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: how is it related ?
pete_dushenski: in that dc who buys fg needs to be in realworld according to mp, or else it's in a weird limbo where has units that no person (republican) will buy.
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense. the ~isps~ buying fg for their customers aren't going to be dcs.
mircea_popescu: how many have you called to date ?
pete_dushenski: half-dozen.
mircea_popescu: this because you started an hour ago or what ?
mircea_popescu: "planning" is a miserable substitute for work. nevermind the nonsense. call everyone. today.
pete_dushenski: ok. so i call them all today. except i'm still not clear wtf is an isp and wtf is a dc. you use them interchangeably it seems.
pete_dushenski: but maybe i'm thick
shinohai: isp = internetz service provider .... dc= data centre
Framedragger: nah even i am clear by now i think, and that tells ya something :D an isp may or may not own a dc. an isp has hardware at a dc. isp deals with customers (be it private or business), a dc deals with isps. in this picture if you are colocating at a dc, you are (in mp's picture) an isp, basically.
Framedragger: unless i messed it up, too
mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the responses i got sorted by types"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger guy's managing office space, supposedly i'm the one to illustrate the difference between a restaurant and a real estate holding co. "oh, you mean the restaurant takes meal orders from walk-ins on the premises owned by the landlord ?!?! TELL ME MORE OF THIS WEIRD FAR AWAY PLANET!!11"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
pete_dushenski goes to reread logs and make calls.
shinohai: Anything is possible is you sound Caucasian on the phone!!!
trinque: sheeit
shinohai: And in other unsolicited DM's today: "Thx 4follow us, free cloud mining for you - 400 GH/s To Mine Bitcoin http://bit.ly/2pKLI8q It's Never too late to get Started with Bitcoin"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651371 << i read of course ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 15:03 Framedragger: ^ (nice text, illustrations etc)
phf: i saw a cool edition of blake's works in powell's in portland. it was a folio reproduction of his designs, with complete Marriage, etc. unfortunately it was something like $400, and i just couldn't justify buying it then
Framedragger: daamn sounds cool
phf: i have this one, https://www.amazon.fr/Blakes-Poetry-Designs-Critical-Editions/dp/039392498X (2nd edition) and while they tried capturing the feeling of how his imagery blends with the text, the visuals are not complete
phf: yeah, if you're ever in portland, stop by powell's, top floor. it's their "rare books" section
Framedragger: i fucking shall! k.
ben_vulpes: ~last enjoyable section at powells
ben_vulpes: once upon a time they'd happily sell shit for a dollar that they got for twenty cents
ben_vulpes: these days it lives in a warehouse in beaverton so they can reasonably hold the price two to three dollars under the new price for the same thing
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651404 <<< How time flies, it isn't one year, but *2* ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 18:27 shinohai just npw realized he has almost been contributing to Qntra for one year now ....
shinohai: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20170503203426&mode=expanded <<< for OpenBSD aficionados
mircea_popescu: soooo... the unconfirmed rumour is that the chinese govt is drawing up plans to make bitcoin a strategic commodity, making it illegal for private citizens to hold it / buy their holdings at the "prevailing market rates" (ie, 1kish_ ☟︎
shinohai: Illegal to hodl at all ?
ben_vulpes: lol, cn considering banning math eh?
ben_vulpes: math performed outside its borders even
mircea_popescu: hey.
mircea_popescu: you know the six cumquats story or what was it ?
ben_vulpes: i don't think so, no
mircea_popescu: shinohai improper subject of hodling, like wives / children / etc.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at some point someone gave $chinese ruler half dozen fruit. he didn't want them, donated them to local chapter of party.
ben_vulpes: aha yes
ben_vulpes: with the epoxy?
mircea_popescu: local chapter of party proceeded to display them in the local chantry/temple, then made them into a 10 ton soup everyone got a spoon
ben_vulpes: forgive me for being thick, but what's the connection between outlawing math and the homeopathic spoiled mango soup?
mircea_popescu: figure you could have bought a cumquat ?
mircea_popescu: teh china has a rich history of "item can't be privately owned".
mircea_popescu: "because not nearly enough of it", see.
ben_vulpes: there is yet a yawning chasm between generating ecdsa keys and owning a quat of cum in my mind
trinque: let 'em "collectively hold bitcoin"
trinque: that'll be the fountain of lol
trinque wonders how long before bitcoin gets its own war.
mircea_popescu: trinque you know the other soviets aren't so far off. how is coinbase-ly "holding" bitcoin any better ?
mircea_popescu: stupidity is the human nature, dice it as you will.
mircea_popescu: fact remains : the fiat pretend-sovereigns failed before the republic, and these long arid years of humiliation of their agents in our hands push them towards the only thing they know : collective security.
mircea_popescu: there's the cutest inch-long gecko hanging about... he's fucking adorable.
shinohai: Coinbase, not having enough scams to keep it afloat, adds Litecoin.
ben_vulpes: 2012 called
ben_vulpes: wants its altcoins back
ben_vulpes: "we're not ret^H^H^Hslow, we're /conservative/."
shinohai: Pretty hilarious that Charlie Lee works there and couldn't get his shit added until now.
shinohai: Over fucking Ethereum.
ben_vulpes: heh it'd be funny if a) the fiduciary rule had stuck and b) if someone had brought suit against coinbase/kraken for pushing penny stocks ☟︎
ben_vulpes: lol hey nobody cares what the devs want
ben_vulpes: never have, never will.
ben_vulpes: he was hired to lend credence to cb, not to further his own ambitions.
ben_vulpes: which he'd doubtless deny anyways; "no litecoin's for the good of huge manatees!"
shinohai: Testbed for fucking segwit atm
shinohai: konsensus and all
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the fate of all these wanna-be nothing-in-particulars. to quote donald clinton, "the traditional route : years of rejection and failure until they're spit out the bottom of the porn industry"
ben_vulpes: can't spell consensus without con
shinohai: ^
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, whatever happened to brock pierce.
ben_vulpes: got lost looking for children at fyre
mircea_popescu: but i thought he was like you know, a big deal and all that. cointrepreneur, rogerver, jesusomething ?
shinohai: Busy piercing little kids
mircea_popescu: speaking of that fyre bs : "April 29, 2017 Yesterday was a very challenging day for all of us."
mircea_popescu: the shitstain. "all of us" ? how about you don't inflate away my inconvenience in a pile of dubious matter of unclear provenance wtf bullshit is this.
ben_vulpes: more lulz from that tire fyre?
mircea_popescu: socialists and the group defence already.
ben_vulpes: hey you know what's fun
ben_vulpes: beating the "making individual problems into group problems" meme into millenials heads
mircea_popescu: somehow if "it was very challenging" for "we all" then it's no longer supposed to be the case that you pissed off the wrong guy and now sleep with the fishes, amirite ?
ben_vulpes: oh ja rule swings dong now? can bury kiddos?
mircea_popescu: https://www.fyrefestival.com/ << fucking epitome of the mongoloid generation.
mircea_popescu: "passions" for you know, "technology", "the ocean" and "music". because that's how this fucking works, there's a large jar called "passions" and you pick m&m's from there. they're all the fucking same. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "starting a viral campaign". IT CAN ONLY BE VIRAL AFTERWARDS. you don't fucking START it that way jesus christ these morons.
mircea_popescu: "o hi jane i see you are making bread ?" "no it is not bread it is croutons".
mircea_popescu: "from the ground up" is in there, too. i'm giving even odds for "sweat blood and tears".
ben_vulpes: i can't imagine ja rule's passion for the ocean extends past terra yacht-a
mircea_popescu: wtf is this even, a passion for the ocean.
ben_vulpes: they brought an waambleance from ny
ben_vulpes: da fuq, yo
mircea_popescu: "vague interest based on having seen something on tv once"
ben_vulpes: hey i have a passion for 80-foot statistical anomalies
ben_vulpes: i saw them on tv once!
ben_vulpes: hey, good band name
mircea_popescu: at least a cat's passion for boxes is genuine.
ben_vulpes: this girl had a particularly dumb cat once upon a time. couldn't handle boxes, but had to sit on anything rectilinear on the floor.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and the idiotic, illiterate shamanism of it all. "we chartered 737 planes to shuttle guests from miami". wtf, that many ? oh no wait, it's not a number, IT IS A NAME.
ben_vulpes: put down two and it'd oscillate between them.
ben_vulpes: put three down and it'd walk out pretending haughtiness to conceal confusion.
mircea_popescu: and then "The busses couldn't cope". motherfucking mental defective! the busses COME WITH NUMBERS. $capacity. $speed. you can CALCULATE
mircea_popescu: omfrg.
ben_vulpes: budget lolzporium continues to delivor
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i knew a cat that couldn't take people hyperventilating.
mircea_popescu: cats are weird.
ben_vulpes: well no mircea_popescu also security couldn't cope! they worried! how can you calculate the security numbers, you dragon you?
mircea_popescu: "we thought we were ready but then it turns out we never ever did any of those 6th grade math problems, with the three faucets and the tub"
ben_vulpes: hey, cut the schmucks a break they were raised with imperial units
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes one day ima put one of these fucks in stocks and whip them until they either die or meaningfully explain what "take full responsibility" is supposed to FUCKING EVEN BE!
ben_vulpes: "but a ton is an absurd amalgamation of other retarded units like chains and furlongs!"
ben_vulpes: "nono, a metric tonne, dummy"
mircea_popescu: "how many 10 g spoonfulls of water in a full pool 15 x 7 x 3 ?" "31500000" "now do ounces for a ten yards by fifty feet by eighty inches pool"
ben_vulpes: eh that took you too long to bake
ben_vulpes: ;p
ben_vulpes to lie in the sun with rose and rosy cheeks
mircea_popescu: a minute ?!?!?!?!
ben_vulpes: too long!
ben_vulpes: "you meant yards, right? and i have to convert cc's to yards somehow!"
shinohai: Imagine in Medieval times when 1 yard = distance between King's nose to to thumb on outstretched arm.
mircea_popescu: holy shit they got the gall to talk of fyre 2018
mircea_popescu: motherfucker these people.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't look like there's enough arabs.
ben_vulpes: think of all the bahamians they'll employ
mircea_popescu: no they're going to bless a us beach with the presence next
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's the right move from a cattle herding perspective. refund the current crop and promise them vip seats atthe next one. gotta keep the promise flow.
mircea_popescu: but, since they had people who could throw a quarter mil on tickets, and they're being hounded by geragos & friends for 100s of mns, it seems somewhat dubious it'll actually work.