BingoBoingo: Much, Butt not too. In this we can be butt trusted.
mircea_popescu: like humanized rat parade, what is this, dreamworks mit lab ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "comments on the campaign trailed followed"
shinohai: If you neeced any more proof the whole MIT expo thing is just a troll .... "Doge Doggie" listed on page with the various other "Let's make Bitcoin liek Ethereum" scammers.
shinohai: "All attendees received source code for a reddit tipbot that steals all user funds at a random date in the future."
mircea_popescu: i think at this point the entirely scammy nature of mit is established beyond possible doubt.
shinohai wonders if it wasn't Gavin dressed up in doge costume ....."
deedbot: lounge-user voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: btw mod6 kickass work with the FG auditing, i gotta say.
mod6: thanks! last dieharder test is running now, actually.
mod6: So that should conclude the collections for now. I'll be putting some effort into some fg-anal sometime soon -- maybe nothing more than some basic facts extrapolated from the test results per collection and links to the raw results.
mod6: Anyway, we'll see. :]
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mircea_popescu: lmao wtf did they do, retrofitted air-ground missiles on medical helicopters ?
mircea_popescu: "Hostilities erupted last week when the military and the police moved to arrest Isnilon Hapilon, the Islamic State’s anointed leader in the Philippines and head of an Abu Sayyaf faction."
mircea_popescu: cool. state gotta learn this "arrest" business ain't all it's cracked up to be.
ben_vulpes: globalization, also not all it's cracked up to be
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Taboola adheres to the Digital Advertising Alliance Self-Regulatory Principles for Online Behavioral Advertising, a program run by the Digital Advertising Alliance and the Digital Advertising Alliance Canada with the goal of providing Internet users transparency and control."
mircea_popescu: i am somewhat confused to see there's no consensus in there.
ben_vulpes: ah, america. do you remember when you believed that 'terrorism' was a geographically constrained thing you could wage war on in a conventional fashion?
ben_vulpes: shoulda listened to robb when you had the chance.
ben_vulpes: john robb, pet dissenter in the 'small wars strategy' orbit of washington
ben_vulpes: i don't really know what you mean by early internet research dude
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this john robb guy, kept a blog for a while about guerilla warfare whatever ; but before that he was with forrester research, kept doing pieces that were more cogent that most. re browser wars, re social me,dia, etc
mircea_popescu: i think now he's turned towards a slightly more self-empowered version of lafond-ism, "structured communities" or somesuch.
ben_vulpes: "resilient" and "antifragile" are the shibboleths
mircea_popescu: an incredibly stupid idea in practice, because ~all it does is allow cheap double defection, which is pretty much suicidal in context.
mircea_popescu: consider the more obvious / discussed in the logs case of "nuclear war preparedness". if you model the us cca 1960 as the existence of two tribes, type a which didn't believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter and type b which did believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter, the fact that type b doctrine included "no need to separate from type a, we can just have some shit bolted on" allows random population member X
mircea_popescu: the space to CLAIM appartenence to type b without actually incurring any of the cost.
mircea_popescu: do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food" ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: basically, the agent defects from a to b and then defects from b back to a sort of "skeptical a".
mircea_popescu: wtf happened here, the site's still on, still SELLING the shit. what, they saw it linked from logs, and deleted it ?
Framedragger: attempting to grok "causal structure" of "modern web" is recipe for madness, best to avoid!..
mircea_popescu: "Our proprietary-engineered design makes our underground bunkers the strongest and safest on the market. We have revolutionized the underground bunker industry by placing our main structural frame on the inside to protect your family and belongings from moisture on the outside. Ghe exterior 1/4-thick steel skin is coated with Epoxy Coal Tar to guarantee your new 10 x 20 Underground Bunker will last a lifetime." this, of cours
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ridiculous item in question reserved an immense space for "motorbike garage" and a tiny space for "aquaculture" in the shape of cubic foot fishtanks ; in same room, rabbit cages, same size.
mircea_popescu: it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth.
☟︎ Framedragger: never bothered to find out if there's any merit to that ^
Framedragger: aquaponics - having a (umm) self-contained plant growth and fish system for food? i'm not even sure what it is. "save lots of space" is one of the arguments iirc
mircea_popescu: well i mean what, in the general ? of course there's merit to it, that's how... earth works.
mircea_popescu: let me ask you this. what is the objective limit to the height of the roof ?
Framedragger: how objective? like, armstrong limit objective?
Framedragger: so that, then. :) right, quite a bit of space for stacking, heh.
mircea_popescu: point being : there's these inflection points, yes ? is there any merit to this "atmosphere indoors" notion ?
mircea_popescu: now, is there any merit to armstrong roof ~in your closet~ ? no, there fucking isn't.
mircea_popescu: "i'm gonna construct an angle fiddler, it's clearly to do with the angle"
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent -- the reason armstrong limit is an abolute limit on the height of the roof is because by the time it rains in your room you can no longer claim to have a roof above it.)
phf: asciilifeform: i picked up that harakiri book, enjoying it so far
phf: (actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart)
☟︎ mod6: anyway, incase anyone cares, on openbsd once I connect my FG via USB-TTL, i was able to use device 'cuaU0' to read from the FG:
mod6: stty -f /dev/cuaU0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok
mod6: dd if=/dev/cuaU0 | hexdump -C
mod6: *PLEASE NOTE THE SMALL -f* instead of the analog capital F on linux machines.
mod6: ymmv as far as the device name... just thought this might help someone
ben_vulpes: doesn't even mention which sect in particular
mircea_popescu: the retarded bullshit, "here's a person for whom gatorade didn't work so now nobody may have any!"
mircea_popescu: there's more people dead through domestic electrocution than there's underage-married-girls dead through domestic abuse. BAN ELECTRICITY IN THE HOME!!11
phf: i believe that's already been propose in the log
mircea_popescu: oh, i should also consider prior art before doing my girlscout project ?!
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-27 12:23 mircea_popescu: i'm not bad, writing scathing religious tract, kinda curious if danielpbarron won't like me anymore after he reads it.
danielpbarron: i could mention some deli-style places with really good food: Harborview Market in Bridgeport, and Mindy K's in Old Saybrook
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 14:05 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you gotta have a talk with your client, it's not ok to cut your overlong sentences, must send as multiline.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only restaurant i ever saw in ct was something weirdly named in the middle of hartford.
mircea_popescu: afaik j-l gerin also either made or was making some model restaurant but i never chased it.
danielpbarron: i forgot a " on my trilema comment, unrelated to the "chop up" mentioned above
danielpbarron: yeah there. I posted the rest in another comment which is pending moderation
danielpbarron: i stick to shoreline CT. don't know much about things up north. been to hartford maybe a couple times
mircea_popescu: and there were also a bunch of germanz doing their take of french cuisine etc. but anyway.
deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 19:32 phf: (actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 18:36 mircea_popescu: it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth.
mircea_popescu: ah, yes. but the thing is -- the clueless could in principle be clueless about anything in any way, and on the basis of such simple model you'd expect normal distribution, with most not doing anything in particular. whereas the theory here is that ellaborate nonsense is always driven by this situation when a broken ideology encounters a weak reformist group and then idiots end up double-defecting, once into the reformists and
mircea_popescu: but the point is that their temple will never be put to the test.
mircea_popescu: similar example, say, "homeopathy", is a level of complexity in nonsense inexplicable on the basis of simple dynamics. but the necessary requisite for its appearance is very good general health services -- then people can afford to "not trust doctors" and "practice alternative medicine" but in the sense of... not really practicing anythinbg in particular.
mircea_popescu: to my eyes that's still a match : inasmuch as there's no actual terrorists actually bothering with it, the "dept of homeland security" may continue to departmentr of homeland securitize about.
mircea_popescu: if there were actual selective pressure, it'd change or disappear. but there isn't.
mircea_popescu: so basically, in that example, people defecterd from vhs-america, through creating "tough on terrorism" pantsuiterica. but then ALSO defected from that, because really.
mircea_popescu: leaving behind the present situation, meaningful to no one and effectual in no way.
mircea_popescu: right, the law became complex as interest in legality plumeted.
mircea_popescu: basically, to the original point, this "soft alternative" approach to a present problem is a transcription of the bikeshed approach to decision making.
mircea_popescu: "are you with the mainstream or with the resilient communities ?" "oh, we're ~seeing past that~". etc.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a literal case of a bike shed becoming the sink of discussion.
ben_vulpes: excellent sink of 'investor' attention
ben_vulpes: "i just don't think it pops enough yet"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes every time i hear the "pop" nonsense i think of the guy with the dropshadows. makes the font pop right off the page!