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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo possibly a little much huh.
BingoBoingo: Much, Butt not too. In this we can be butt trusted.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/UG0yy << Failure to own up ☟︎
ben_vulpes: http://mitbitcoinexpo.org/ << must be trolling at this point
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/merkel-gets-cocky-after-pantsuit-partys-macron-win-in-france/ << Qntra - Merkel Gets Cocky After Pantsuit Party's Macron Win In France
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E468EDC97CC088F25077DC85B339B8626D842EB699C9CA30D9CA969C6A3B9DE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...8839 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.datadienst.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E468EDC97CC088F25077DC85B339B8626D842EB699C9CA30D9CA969C6A3B9DE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...6433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.datadienst.de. DE)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662842 << ahahaha that shit's great, are you kidding me ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 02:23 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/UG0yy << Failure to own up
mircea_popescu: it's SO fucking stupid it stands all on its own.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "thought leader". wtf IS WITH THEIR FACES
mircea_popescu: like humanized rat parade, what is this, dreamworks mit lab ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "comments on the campaign trailed followed"
shinohai: If you neeced any more proof the whole MIT expo thing is just a troll .... "Doge Doggie" listed on page with the various other "Let's make Bitcoin liek Ethereum" scammers.
mircea_popescu: heh
shinohai: "All attendees received source code for a reddit tipbot that steals all user funds at a random date in the future."
mircea_popescu: i think at this point the entirely scammy nature of mit is established beyond possible doubt.
shinohai wonders if it wasn't Gavin dressed up in doge costume ....."
mircea_popescu: lel
shinohai: !!up lounge-user
deedbot: lounge-user voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lol
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/my-new-bitch-yellow-her-mom-played-da-cello/ << Trilema - My new bitch yellow ; her mom played da cello.
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: coo
mircea_popescu: btw mod6 kickass work with the FG auditing, i gotta say.
mod6: thanks! last dieharder test is running now, actually.
mod6: OK here are the results from a recollection of entropy (with 'fullblock') from FG #2: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run1.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run1.txt
mod6: So that should conclude the collections for now. I'll be putting some effort into some fg-anal sometime soon -- maybe nothing more than some basic facts extrapolated from the test results per collection and links to the raw results.
mod6: Anyway, we'll see. :]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2258.95, vol: 10803.22069938 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2168.2, vol: 6266.49512 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2166.0, vol: 15220.45911157 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2152.026459, vol: 9493.01400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2218.005, vol: 4539.61942094 | Volume-weighted last average: 2190.20789198
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-fake-literature/ << Trilema - The fake literature
ben_vulpes: in which isis reign in the phillipines expaaands https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-isis-marawi-militant.html
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf did they do, retrofitted air-ground missiles on medical helicopters ?
mircea_popescu: "Hostilities erupted last week when the military and the police moved to arrest Isnilon Hapilon, the Islamic State’s anointed leader in the Philippines and head of an Abu Sayyaf faction."
mircea_popescu: cool. state gotta learn this "arrest" business ain't all it's cracked up to be.
ben_vulpes: globalization, also not all it's cracked up to be
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Taboola adheres to the Digital Advertising Alliance Self-Regulatory Principles for Online Behavioral Advertising, a program run by the Digital Advertising Alliance and the Digital Advertising Alliance Canada with the goal of providing Internet users transparency and control."
mircea_popescu: i am somewhat confused to see there's no consensus in there.
ben_vulpes: ah, america. do you remember when you believed that 'terrorism' was a geographically constrained thing you could wage war on in a conventional fashion?
ben_vulpes: shoulda listened to robb when you had the chance.
mircea_popescu: robb stark ?
ben_vulpes: john robb, pet dissenter in the 'small wars strategy' orbit of washington
mircea_popescu: oh the early internet research dude
ben_vulpes: i don't really know what you mean by early internet research dude
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this john robb guy, kept a blog for a while about guerilla warfare whatever ; but before that he was with forrester research, kept doing pieces that were more cogent that most. re browser wars, re social me,dia, etc
mircea_popescu: 90s.
mircea_popescu: i think now he's turned towards a slightly more self-empowered version of lafond-ism, "structured communities" or somesuch.
ben_vulpes: ah yeah. mhm, that's the one.
ben_vulpes: "resilient" and "antifragile" are the shibboleths
mircea_popescu: right right.
mircea_popescu: not altogether a stupid idea in theory.
mircea_popescu: an incredibly stupid idea in practice, because ~all it does is allow cheap double defection, which is pretty much suicidal in context.
ben_vulpes: elaborate on cheap double defection?
mircea_popescu: consider the more obvious / discussed in the logs case of "nuclear war preparedness". if you model the us cca 1960 as the existence of two tribes, type a which didn't believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter and type b which did believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter, the fact that type b doctrine included "no need to separate from type a, we can just have some shit bolted on" allows random population member X
mircea_popescu: the space to CLAIM appartenence to type b without actually incurring any of the cost.
mircea_popescu: do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food" ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: basically, the agent defects from a to b and then defects from b back to a sort of "skeptical a".
mircea_popescu: ~how the whole "ironic" bs got started.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-11#1048613 << check it out, meanwhile disappeared ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-11 14:24 nubbins`: re: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/9000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
Framedragger: http://web.archive.org/web/20160311124607/http://ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg great feeling when the ~whole "web" experience is a matter of using third party archive providers to dig up shit that has dissolved hence
Framedragger: :(
mircea_popescu: wtf happened here, the site's still on, still SELLING the shit. what, they saw it linked from logs, and deleted it ?
Framedragger: attempting to grok "causal structure" of "modern web" is recipe for madness, best to avoid!..
mircea_popescu: "Our proprietary-engineered design makes our underground bunkers the strongest and safest on the market. We have revolutionized the underground bunker industry by placing our main structural frame on the inside to protect your family and belongings from moisture on the outside. Ghe exterior 1/4-thick steel skin is coated with Epoxy Coal Tar to guarantee your new 10 x 20 Underground Bunker will last a lifetime." this, of cours
mircea_popescu: e, found on http://ultimatebunker.com/product/30-x-50-custom-underground-bunker/
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ridiculous item in question reserved an immense space for "motorbike garage" and a tiny space for "aquaculture" in the shape of cubic foot fishtanks ; in same room, rabbit cages, same size.
mircea_popescu: it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth. ☟︎
Framedragger: !#s aquaponics
a111: 7 results for "aquaponics", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=aquaponics
Framedragger: never bothered to find out if there's any merit to that ^
mircea_popescu: to what ?
Framedragger: aquaponics - having a (umm) self-contained plant growth and fish system for food? i'm not even sure what it is. "save lots of space" is one of the arguments iirc
mircea_popescu: well i mean what, in the general ? of course there's merit to it, that's how... earth works.
Framedragger: (one example i've been sorta following is https://automicrofarm.com/ - they don't have much to show tho, not sure if ever will)
Framedragger: heh, yeah, okay
mircea_popescu: let me ask you this. what is the objective limit to the height of the roof ?
Framedragger: how objective? like, armstrong limit objective?
mircea_popescu: yes.
Framedragger: so that, then. :) right, quite a bit of space for stacking, heh.
mircea_popescu: point being : there's these inflection points, yes ? is there any merit to this "atmosphere indoors" notion ?
mircea_popescu: depends how tall you build!
Framedragger: hrm, yeah.
mircea_popescu: now, is there any merit to armstrong roof ~in your closet~ ? no, there fucking isn't.
mircea_popescu: "but what if i put it sideways"
mircea_popescu: "i'm gonna construct an angle fiddler, it's clearly to do with the angle"
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent -- the reason armstrong limit is an abolute limit on the height of the roof is because by the time it rains in your room you can no longer claim to have a roof above it.)
phf: asciilifeform: i picked up that harakiri book, enjoying it so far
phf: (actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart) ☟︎
mod6: anyway, incase anyone cares, on openbsd once I connect my FG via USB-TTL, i was able to use device 'cuaU0' to read from the FG:
mod6: stty -f /dev/cuaU0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok
mod6: dd if=/dev/cuaU0 | hexdump -C
mod6: ... entropy
mod6: *PLEASE NOTE THE SMALL -f* instead of the analog capital F on linux machines.
mod6: ymmv as far as the device name... just thought this might help someone
mircea_popescu: and in other impressive tightness, http://i.4cdn.org/b/1496086339138.webm
shinohai: I see your impressive tightness and raise you 11-year-old virginal tightness ..... http://archive.is/m4JhF
shinohai: "Stop teh rape!"
mircea_popescu: eh, what is this retarded bullshit.
mircea_popescu: o wait, more nytimes fake news ? mmkay.
ben_vulpes: doesn't even mention which sect in particular
mircea_popescu: the retarded bullshit, "here's a person for whom gatorade didn't work so now nobody may have any!"
mircea_popescu: who can even take the libertard bullshit seriously ?
mircea_popescu: there's more people dead through domestic electrocution than there's underage-married-girls dead through domestic abuse. BAN ELECTRICITY IN THE HOME!!11
phf: i believe that's already been propose in the log
mircea_popescu: oh, i should also consider prior art before doing my girlscout project ?!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649283 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
mircea_popescu: :p
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-27#1662730 << trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#comment-122136 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-27 12:23 mircea_popescu: i'm not bad, writing scathing religious tract, kinda curious if danielpbarron won't like me anymore after he reads it.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661728 << Boom at Pilot's Point in Westbrook, The Chelsea in Fairfield, Little Pub in Greenwich ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 14:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661639 << wait, in ~connecticut~ ? they have pretty decent restaurants there, which were the top 3 ?
danielpbarron: i could mention some deli-style places with really good food: Harborview Market in Bridgeport, and Mindy K's in Old Saybrook
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661693 << thought i had it configured to chop up. not sure what happened there ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 14:05 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you gotta have a talk with your client, it's not ok to cut your overlong sentences, must send as multiline.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron your comment got cut ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only restaurant i ever saw in ct was something weirdly named in the middle of hartford.
mircea_popescu: afaik j-l gerin also either made or was making some model restaurant but i never chased it.
danielpbarron: i forgot a " on my trilema comment, unrelated to the "chop up" mentioned above
mircea_popescu: But consider instead that Christ was <
danielpbarron: yeah there. I posted the rest in another comment which is pending moderation
mircea_popescu: ah ok
danielpbarron: i stick to shoreline CT. don't know much about things up north. been to hartford maybe a couple times
mircea_popescu: on20 it was.
mircea_popescu: and there were also a bunch of germanz doing their take of french cuisine etc. but anyway.
danielpbarron: !!up erlehmann
deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform back at his station nao
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662933 << correct b00k, phf . was most interesting imho re its discussion of the ~debasement~ of proper seppuku. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 19:32 phf: (actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart)
asciilifeform: how it slowly went to shit.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662911 << moar of an elementary 'those who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense" (tm)(r)(vonneumann) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 18:36 mircea_popescu: it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth.
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
asciilifeform: well, d00dz who don't bother to figure out, how many joules of light even hit the 'garden', even supposing more than a few % ended up in food... ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( this re the indoor gardening bit. it is not difficult to try it, the surest cure for 'bunker garden' notion is to try the indoor tomato thing )
asciilifeform: now if somebody coughed up a doctored ~efficient~ mod of RuBisCO...
mircea_popescu: ah, yes. but the thing is -- the clueless could in principle be clueless about anything in any way, and on the basis of such simple model you'd expect normal distribution, with most not doing anything in particular. whereas the theory here is that ellaborate nonsense is always driven by this situation when a broken ideology encounters a weak reformist group and then idiots end up double-defecting, once into the reformists and
mircea_popescu: once out.
asciilifeform: i have nfi whether this applies to the bunker aficionados
asciilifeform: afaik they could be earnest believers in the postapocalyptic value of the harley.
asciilifeform: because watched 'mad max'.
mircea_popescu: but the point is that their temple will never be put to the test.
asciilifeform: how much this even changes when it ~is~ put to test ? e.g. the folx during the plague who carried around paper talisman, word 'arsenicum' (because obtaining actual arsenic for talisman costs a little more..)
mircea_popescu: similar example, say, "homeopathy", is a level of complexity in nonsense inexplicable on the basis of simple dynamics. but the necessary requisite for its appearance is very good general health services -- then people can afford to "not trust doctors" and "practice alternative medicine" but in the sense of... not really practicing anythinbg in particular.
asciilifeform: (or fast forward to modern ameristan and antiterrorist talismans)
mircea_popescu: they have that ?
asciilifeform: aha, in every airport
mircea_popescu: "don't bomb me, i have two wives" ?
mircea_popescu: ah lol.
mircea_popescu: to my eyes that's still a match : inasmuch as there's no actual terrorists actually bothering with it, the "dept of homeland security" may continue to departmentr of homeland securitize about.
mircea_popescu: if there were actual selective pressure, it'd change or disappear. but there isn't.
asciilifeform: aaaah yes this
mircea_popescu: so basically, in that example, people defecterd from vhs-america, through creating "tough on terrorism" pantsuiterica. but then ALSO defected from that, because really.
mircea_popescu: leaving behind the present situation, meaningful to no one and effectual in no way.
asciilifeform: or consider the elaborate dog&pony show of ameri-courts. also works strictly in absence of much serious organized uppitiness.
asciilifeform: ( in the contrary, there would be 'troikas' instead of courts presided over by preet )
mircea_popescu: right, the law became complex as interest in legality plumeted.
mircea_popescu: basically, to the original point, this "soft alternative" approach to a present problem is a transcription of the bikeshed approach to decision making.
asciilifeform: believe or not, i do not know the story behind the infamous 'bike shed'
asciilifeform: why is it called so
mircea_popescu: "are you with the mainstream or with the resilient communities ?" "oh, we're ~seeing past that~". etc.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a literal case of a bike shed becoming the sink of discussion.
asciilifeform: yes but how does the legend go. where, and why, did this take place
mircea_popescu: something with a nuke plant
mircea_popescu: !~google parkinson bike shed
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Parkinson's Law of Triviality - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality>; Wikipedia:Avoid Parkinson's Bicycle Shed Effect - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%2527s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect>; bikeshedding - Wiktionary: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding>
asciilifeform: 'The requested page title contains invalid characters: "%27".' << lel
asciilifeform: aah lolk
asciilifeform: fictional, then, story.
mircea_popescu: well yeah. the terminology of the proponent.
asciilifeform: but familiar to anyone who ever met 'web d00d' who spent a year on colours and 'styleshit' and 0 on mechanics
ben_vulpes: excellent sink of 'investor' attention
ben_vulpes: "i just don't think it pops enough yet"
asciilifeform: theoretically one could distinguish the cases of this caused by organic stupidity of the one doing it, from when it is done with cold calculation, to bamboozle investor/customer/misc. idiot
mircea_popescu: how ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes every time i hear the "pop" nonsense i think of the guy with the dropshadows. makes the font pop right off the page!
ben_vulpes: have we tried it with 3d fonts yet?