mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so you went like from oregon to washington ?
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BingoBoingo: Spoiler: Chalk contains hella deltamethrin and other pyrethroids making it incredi-safe, US still has no better approved alternative
BingoBoingo: Compare to 13 years later: "In response, this week Michigan officials are considering new rules to limit the use of the pesticide. If the rules are approved, as expected, Michigan would join a growing number of states and the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in trying to prevent the misuse of methomyl, in part by restricting who can buy it and requiring new warning labels. But some observers fear the labels—which depict a
BingoBoingo: raccoon in a red circle with a slash through it—might unintentionally make matters worse."
BingoBoingo: More for the posteriority: "“It’s indiscriminate, intentional poisoning of wildlife,” says Brian Rowe, who recently retired as pesticide section manager at the Michigan Department of Agriculture & Rural Development in Lansing. “Some of them die with their face in the pan that they’re licking out of. I mean, it kills them that quick.”"
BingoBoingo: Actual field research shows consumers read no pesticide labels whatsoever and just look for aeresol cans, then cycle cans until one has desired effect: "EPA officials say no such testing occurred, but are confident that people will read the new labels as intended. The agency notes that text below the symbol reads “it is illegal to use this product with the intention to kill raccoons, skunks, opossums, coyotes, wolves, dogs, cats, or an
mircea_popescu: well, racoons are a very successful sort of rat. as a result, they don't have any friends among the people they interact with on any kind of regular basis. kinda like pigeons, actually.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because sarin, like malathion and vx has a repellent effect for the lucky to get a whiff from sufficient distance
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, racoons are a very successful sort of rat. as a result, they don't have any friends among the people they interact with on any kind of regular basis. kinda like pigeons, actually. << Aha, like their namesake. For people interacting with them occasionally "entertaining", in constant contact universally nuissance
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but not a bigger rat than the fucking corn eaters. << raccoons are corn eaters!
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Chicom repellent chalk by comparison is peak sanity
BingoBoingo: Mild neurotoxin with strong repellent properties in solid binder... as opposed to atomizer mist device
trinque: or folks could put away their food, even.
BingoBoingo: Hey, when's the last time you've seen deer attack adult human out of hunger? Mouse WILL!!!
trinque has a cat for murdering those, roaches, w/e crawls and therefore mustest die.
trinque: and hell I'll keep a spider around too if it's not bothering me
trinque: there's a little wolf guy living in my truck somewhere at the moment
mircea_popescu: trinque the blessings of the plains folk. up here, there's no flies, no roaches, no nothing.
trinque: lots of them here too, cute little bastards
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> trinque: how'd you react to neighbour cornfuck leaving poisoned bait for your beast to find ? << 90% of successful pest control is geography
BingoBoingo: The remaininder is unrestrained chemical warfare with organophosphate nerve agents on known problems.
trinque: not like I don't spray a perimeter around my home, but other than that, if there's nothing to eat, there's nothing to eat
BingoBoingo: But sometimes you wanna grow a tomato and there's a fucker growing corn within 85 miles which puts you within a day's flight of stinkbug horde
trinque: you're gonna get the occasional wood roach flying through the room, but then the girl screams and free comedy
trinque: original thread was (or I'm tired) that chicom area denial chalk (TM)
trinque: if growing outside, probably going to need sprays
BingoBoingo: Yeah Safe Chicom Chalk, vs. US fly/coon bait mega poison
trinque gonna go park brain for the night
BingoBoingo: In other, more recent ripped from the headlines: "Woman complains Hobby Lobby’s raw cotton decor is racially insensitive "
BingoBoingo: And a laff:"On Sunday night, as police officers marched downtown, a Post-Dispatch photographer heard them chant a refrain most often heard at Ferguson protests: “Whose streets? Our streets.”"
BingoBoingo: In other news, there's a new season of South Park
BingoBoingo: Only heard about if 4 days after it started
deedbot: acataleptic voiced for 30 minutes.
acataleptic: nobody of any importance. friends of friends of friends directed me here.
trinque: IP out of good old san francisco
trinque: has the forum yet digested a calitard?
☟︎ trinque: popcorn kernel stuck in throat isn't digestion, lol
deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: lol? so how am I to know "my" then?
ben_vulpes: did not even bother to specify which information?
ben_vulpes: gotta lead em on a bit for max lulz, "hm, what informations are we talking about here?"
a111: Logged on 2015-08-23 05:06 trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once!
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 18:02 fromdeedbot: I want my information removed from your site
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 17:22 trinque: has the forum yet digested a calitard?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 18:00 fromdeedbot: who owns this service
trinque: even teh pantsuit law reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
trinque: something really must be done
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what the claim is supposed to be. prolly grubles dicking about.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, there's a by now lengthy comet tails' worth of idiots who WERE NOT CONSULTED.
trinque: I guess we'll never know; guy assumed I read thoughts.
shinohai: 15:13:42 +mimisbrunnr 486018: 000000000000000000ef605f3c5d45bb1228223474e8d2870bd82c2d52f556cb (6h, 52m, 0s) <<< jeez
ben_vulpes: was reporting 20+ connections and exhibiting no signs of blackhole
ben_vulpes: mouth now open, waiting for them to pour in; found a non sybil i guess.
ben_vulpes: people still fuck goats, asciilifeform
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715850 << i stopped doing even those. i've had a couple of months of lulzy 5 minute litmus tests that resulted in 100% failure rate, which made me think that perhaps the whole "teach everyone!1 to program" basically means that s/n has finally approached 0.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 19:34 asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 19:36 asciilifeform: phf: to quote one such 'speshul trainflake' i encountered once, 'you should be making me an offer, and not asking me to do tricks'
phf: oh yeah, right, we did have a thread
phf: same thread as a guy who freaked the fuck out, because i told him to ssh into a box for the interview
☟︎ phf: i was trying to be ~polite~. if you put "10 years of unix" on your resume, i sort of assume "tell me your favorite editor and then ssh into the box for interview" is a bushido level of politeness
☟︎ phf: i now realize though that "X years of unix" only works if it rolls over into the 90s. otherwise it's an irrelevant factoid
trinque: also "this here cpio does zip"
phf: it's not republic software, so it's never going to be fully aligned
phf: but ~i think~ naive multibyte (though i haven't looked at particular implementation, i'm judging by something like nvi2) is less of an issue than outright gnuisms
phf: i don't think that's right, since plan9 does _utf-8_ at fraction of complexity
phf: 90% of bloat and outright retardation comes from there being retards in the process. it's like cancer, it doesn't limit itself to only this type of tissue
phf: i don't know why you explain to me things that ~i argued in the past~. fwiw, i argued "utf-8 is a whole spittoon" back when the question of encoding first came up, to somewhat fierce opposition
☟︎ deedbot: barpub voiced for 30 minutes.
barpub: it strikes me that variable-length encoding and ropes are natural complements
barpub: if you're stuck representing strings as flat arrays, yes, o(n)ism is a necessity
barpub: yes, only problem with content-addressable memory is I can't buy it
barpub: sure any binary tree has an underlying flat representation, because hardware itself enforces this
phf: i've actually tried putting ropes in a bunch of projects and they never have good performance characteristics. in fact for text editors no one has invented anything better than "one string per one line", and if you want to be fancy you split it at point (what emacs does)
☟︎ barpub: xi editor is pretty snappy, i've used it on multi-gb csvs
barpub: agreed, but even a structure editor has, or should have, a prose mode
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barpub: in which case the ast is just a rope and has no further semantics
phf: barpub: nah, real structure editor doesn't. but then i've no idea what asciilifeform is talking about. there's not really any real structure editors in production. i know of a dead one, and it's an interlisp programming environment
barpub: if there was a structure editor whose structures include free text, and one whose structures do not, i would pick the former
barpub: since i do write ordinary English from time to time, and would need in the latter case two programs when i want only one
phf: i suspect xi trades snappiness for multi-gb use, which you don't notice, since you have to run it on the most recent mac (at least mac front end requires maxver xcode)
phf: asciilifeform: but you write it in rust, see!
barpub: it's the only example of a rope i've actual experience with
barpub: and robustness is a cogent and reasonable objection to using them
barpub: i've read your blog if that's what you mean
barpub: so perhaps waiting until someone reboots the scheme chip, thus hardware-enforced cellularity, thus avoiding pointerism
barpub: is a reasonable prerequisite to having nice things, like ropes, and variable-length encoding
barpub: and if your bedrock is the byte, use ascii and hope for the best
phf: additional point is that traditionally when someone said "multi-gb" what was really meant is "file bigger than can fit in memory", and suddenly(!11) your whole underlying editor algorithm changes drastically, because you have be doing partial updates, and temp files, and all kinds of cut-and-paste trickery. that's why emacs has a special cased "big file" support. with ropes if you want to achieve multi-gb that way you basically have to
☟︎ phf: make your ropes persist on disk, and then have a single pass that build ropes out of the complete contents of file (which you already have to do), and then you offload rope subtree that doesn't fit in memory, and then you edit the whole monster by swapping rope subtrees in and out, and FINALLY you have to walk the whole rope structure, file and memory alike, to serialize it back into file
phf: asciilifeform: you can't insert
phf: and yes you have to use mmap, but that's not the end of the story by a long shot
barpub: memory should cache disk, implying the filesystem rep should also, yes, be a rope
barpub: again, predicated on hardware-level bedrock support for treelike structure
phf: i regret wasting time explaining
barpub: phf: up to you. i've already conceded the basic point: on actual hardware you can buy, ropes are fragile and corruptible and represent incidental complexity
phf: hand patching binary blobs before you write a tool for it, traditionally
phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)
☟︎☟︎ phf: it would eliminate the need for a very large number of data structures
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 22:15 phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)