mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685337 << second run on same environment was 'real 313m33.341s'; results of the diff between my 65536! and yours: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xxuX9/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 12:23 mod6: asciilifeform: real 313m41.727s
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685355 << he has a point. plus it seems to never work for me. << noted ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 13:32 asciilifeform: live is too short to attempt to use eyeballs as diff.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, takes this box longer to sha, or to gzip, than it takes to download.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: bad noose : 9G << heh, ok pr0n dvd
mircea_popescu: and in other "a proper weight has its advantages", http://68.media.tumblr.com/7c1877d605646a19a6befb96c5cfbadc/tumblr_ogygp6HaoA1r2sy0fo1_540.gif
mod6: <+asciilifeform> exactly 65536 ascii lines << sweet
mod6: some proper anal right there
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ? pooper what you say ?
mod6: haha.
mircea_popescu: :p
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that "abstract art" work we shall call the colors of factorial. << this sounds interesting
floog: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685784 why is the blue version better than the red version of 'applied crypto'? ☝︎
mod6: ben_vulpes lays it out there eh?
mod6: there've been a bunch of threads on it in the logs.
floog: well, it just says 'redacted the actual goodies'
mod6: hehe, i just stumbled across this: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-10-12#349139 and http://btcbase.org/log/2013-10-12#349209 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf is a111 sick ?
mod6: damn these old logs.
mod6: fun to read this stuff
mircea_popescu: hehe
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A61681083D411A69B9D431A7AB342C455D3533E16F186CD6D87C1328471F3838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1741...1867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (geosinteh.com. UA 30)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A61681083D411A69B9D431A7AB342C455D3533E16F186CD6D87C1328471F3838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...3683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (geosinteh.com. UA 30)
mircea_popescu: and in other great suits, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9c99afcae815353714400dea7e4a744f/tumblr_od3e4rJaKf1u5gkkao1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: <floog> at least it pays for the whale of student debt from the private uni that my parents convinced me was a good investment << Get fiat poor, stop paying, admit powerlessness. You are at rock bottom. Your bankruptcy now is not a financial one, but a moral and spiritual one. However THERE IS A SOLUTION!
BingoBoingo: <floog> emphasis on 'poor' << Next come to believe that a HIGHER POWER (perhaps one your came here to unwrap) can restore you to sanity
BingoBoingo: !!up badD00d
deedbot: badD00d voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: badD00d: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
badD00d: my daddy, for your fucking information is.... alive and well
BingoBoingo: <mod6> some proper anal right there << Also great example of the importance of selecting the woman for ergonomics.
badD00d: question for the TRB node running gentlemen
BingoBoingo: Well, that's somewhat informative.
badD00d: will TRB nodes start rejecting blocks whenever BIP91 or other bologna segwit proposals gain the majority hashing power?
BingoBoingo: TRB will continue accepting valid blocks
asciilifeform: and rejection liquishit tomorrow just as it did yesterday.
asciilifeform: *of
asciilifeform: dun matter what kind.
badD00d: right, and I respect that. I guess I am wondering when you think the majority of hashing power will start agreeing on non-legit shit blocks?
badD00d: like at some point, the shitty masses are going to start consuming their fake shitty blocks.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: they're consuming teh fiat dollars as it is, doesn't seem to have much impact on anything.
badD00d: I am wondering if you have an estimation as to when this will be and as a second questions (if TRB nodes will be the ONLY non-shit accepting nodes, or if you think there are other groups of people running nodes that will side with your nodes and continue rejecting shit
mircea_popescu: your question is ill posed. if tomorrow a large enough collection of idiots decides to call making hooky "bitcoin", this will be great and good and entirely uninteresting for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: if the us fed starts printing "one hundred bitcoin" bills instead of the current one hundred dollar bills, this'll also do ~nothing as far as nayone is concerned.
mircea_popescu: the notion that bitcoin can somehow by stolen by name is so ridoinculous as to betray its ustardian origins. bitcoin is not a name.
BingoBoingo: badD00d: TRB now WILL accept segwit blocks, but it will not parse the segwit'd portion as anything other than "anyone can spend"
floog: BingoBoingo: I'm going to keep paying my bills, i'd rather not get rammed by the USG when it comes after its money. im cool with everything else though
mircea_popescu: apparently the "it REALLY doesn't matter what you do" point is entirely incomprehensible to teh esl.
mircea_popescu: floog the only reason you're not getting rammed is that you don't have anything worth stealing.
BingoBoingo: floog: Nah, that's the thing. If you make yourself fiat poor THEY en-PRIVILEDGE YOU
BingoBoingo: The solution is get poor, stack up some turkeys, and blow the joint
badD00d: anyway, thanks for putting up with my questions
floog: where do get turkeys? where do run after turkeys acquired?
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at dedicated slut camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/78838a7a2be17a5c7d1032186851423c/tumblr_myflcjUUTE1qjhn09o1_400.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu or anybody ever so far bothered to count the total coin presently sitting in 'anyonecanspend' ?
BingoBoingo: !http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=turkey+dollars
asciilifeform: probably even nao a pretty good haul for the first serious miner to break cartel and unwind the 'soft' liquishit
mircea_popescu: (echo "obase=16" ; cat fct.txt) | bc >> fact-hex.txt works as expected to convert btw.
asciilifeform: oughta, neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sorta job each miner gotta do for himself neh ?
mircea_popescu: eventually, i expect they will.
asciilifeform: i can already almost smell the shat pants
mircea_popescu: thing is, time builds only one way on that.
mircea_popescu: the taller the tower of shit, the certainer the doom.
asciilifeform: and the moar spectacular.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
asciilifeform: though i imagine the plan of the pantshits is to cement the 'soft' fork as hard, somehow
asciilifeform: before day-x
mircea_popescu: eh, plans.
mircea_popescu: "we'll call it classic and pretend like it's totally different in our fakenews rags"
mircea_popescu: that's a plan.
asciilifeform: iirc prb already is written to reject blocks that attempt to 'illicitly' spend the perfectly legitimately anyonecanspendolade
asciilifeform: so technically already forked, long ago, only latently.
mircea_popescu: sooooo ?
asciilifeform: petrol poured, only needs match.
mircea_popescu: by this understanding of forking, everyone running a bitcoin node on a box that's lost internet connection "forked"
asciilifeform: 1 d00d with borked modem is 1 d00d , 9000 is a northkr
asciilifeform: possibly model is the latter.
BingoBoingo: KKKoreaCoin
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's quite evident and not a matter open to much dispute that a whole lot of not-really-into-bitcoin barnacles have been steadily accumulating, at least in their own esitmation, since 2012 or so.
mircea_popescu: they get scraped off, new sets come on, it's the fate of ship on open seas.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1683139 ie "the bitcoin banking cartel" very much apropos. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, people will drop ~a specific form~ of a stupid idea just as soon as it's literally beaten from their cold, dead hands, AND NEVER BEFORE.
mircea_popescu: "gotta try!"
BingoBoingo: !!up punto
deedbot: punto voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/668C9FD96F37AB8D564361C2DEEFE384CB10FBA941E794FAEF3166E9F2E159E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...9079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host51-129-static.141-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/668C9FD96F37AB8D564361C2DEEFE384CB10FBA941E794FAEF3166E9F2E159E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1566...1343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host51-129-static.141-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC88B93752A72CE2F1E7537866EAD30B23F92A47E335E010486C735210A33A41 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1470...3053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lucy.byrei.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC88B93752A72CE2F1E7537866EAD30B23F92A47E335E010486C735210A33A41 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1594...4317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lucy.byrei.de. DE)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2225.0, vol: 27624.25877228 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2168.0, vol: 9172.94514 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2187.2, vol: 40989.87519083 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2234.845746, vol: 14348.85940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2183.258, vol: 13560.2812637 | Volume-weighted last average: 2201.37537846
mircea_popescu: o noes i bought at 1950 should i sell ???
BingoBoingo: I dunno must consult WAPO
mircea_popescu: i only did it to get ethereum tokens
BingoBoingo: WAPO Returns headline: "Swole Jeff Bezos Is Exactly the Meme the World Needed"
mircea_popescu: are still available do ytou know ?
mircea_popescu: could bezos swole russia ?
BingoBoingo: Apparently according to his fake news outlet: "Most people know that online firearm sales create big loopholes that allow customers to bypass background checks—but who knew e-commerce pioneer Jeff Bezos was hawking guns like these?! The Amazon CEO and Washington Post owner showed up to an Idaho conference in a skintight T-shirt last week, displaying a set of arms most reasonable observers would classify as assault weapons."
mircea_popescu: o we're down to "most people know" ? i thought usg shares were firmly at "everyone knows" ?
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta probe vanity publishing ass further: "Bezos used to be a giant baby-faced, Kevin-Spacey-faced nerd who sold textbooks on a website and looked ecstatic merely to be alive. Now, he’s buying up bougie grocery stores and publishing a newspaper with a metal-ass tagline. He’s in the putting businesses out of business business, and he’s got the muscle and shaved head to prove it."
BingoBoingo: Apparently pantsuits like to give the rimjob to the boss?
mircea_popescu: did the guy's payola mcnuggets & happy meals not make it this month or wtf is their problem.
BingoBoingo: Apparently they are sexually harassing the boss to get him fired? Or mebbe he used owning a newspaper to ghostwrite the thing.
asciilifeform: lolwat, his own rag printed this?!
mircea_popescu: see how independent it is ?
BingoBoingo: Yes, and in 18 months Trump will go from equalling Bezos in Senator count to clearly passing Bezos
BingoBoingo: So many Turkeys!!!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You gotta read it for what it is, appeal to his re-adolescent ego.
BingoBoingo: i.e. Bezos is on Trenbolone
asciilifeform: wai would a richd00d take ballshrinkelixir
mircea_popescu: wai would he wear a tshirt.
BingoBoingo: Because Bezos sees pantsuit in disarray and wants to become a bull in move to capture pantsuit for self instead of being its bitch boy
mircea_popescu: the "appear hamplanet harmless" ploy not even bad approach to that goal.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wai would a richd00d take ballshrinkelixir << Apparently some users find shrank balls more comfortable, also HCG can be used to preven the shrink
mircea_popescu: gives "going to the shrink" a whole new layer.
BingoBoingo: Anyways wears shirt because horrifying cystic acne. t-shirt because cotton is absorbent
BingoBoingo predicts trend of pantsuit boy CEO's getting into this sort of artificial masculinity and calling it "biohacking"
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: the other half of the faux dilemma. "transsexual or biohacker ?"
mircea_popescu: "gotta pick one or the other!"
BingoBoingo: It's a trilema: transexual, biohacker, or transmayo unsexual
mircea_popescu: no that's the faux dilemma for females.
mircea_popescu: "lich or greaseblob ? MUST PICK ONE!!1"
BingoBoingo: Nah, it's the third gender
mircea_popescu: they're all tired fucking genders.
BingoBoingo: Nah, trenbolone isn't lich sort of thing. Definitely a "burn brighter, faster" sort of thing. Cattle feedlot stuff.
BingoBoingo: Gotta get the steers to put on size without getting tough
mircea_popescu: ic
BingoBoingo: A marginally life shortening "Who wants to be 90 anyways" deal
BingoBoingo: Essentially boosting the engine's compression without upgrading the plumbing, promotes cardiac and psychiatric deaths
BingoBoingo: In the feedlot the doped of course are in supermarket before those outcomes can happen.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the idea tbh.
mircea_popescu: gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
BingoBoingo: Of all the fake testosterones, Tren is the one that doesn't require supplementing with testosterone in order to allow boners, so popular. Does work as male birth control though.
mircea_popescu: can i donate so usians take this stuff ?
BingoBoingo: Not yet.
mircea_popescu: gotta get some free tren clinics going.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me like it'd be a human right.
BingoBoingo: Well, there's manosphere community corners that promote the artificial testosteroning as the exact thing girly birth control is. Except with cool weight gain.
trinque: seems pretty gay, according to my brief googling. wall of faggy before / after pics.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it doesn't actually do magic swole imparting without at least some exercise.
mircea_popescu: obviously, that'd be the idea.
trinque: in that, best and lulziest eugenics
BingoBoingo: trinque: Bodybuilding is super gay
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
trinque: BingoBoingo: better wash out your mind's eye first with !#s in other news
mircea_popescu: lol! in other speaking of whiches, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4ffab76fa0593af3ad614a5c1d1abf82/tumblr_ogvolangKO1ubsampo1_1280.jpg
trinque: ah ah that's cheating!
mircea_popescu: you think ? she looks just like duly owned property.
trinque: nah I meant the segue variation; we're gonna need one of those google AIs nao
trinque to bed also
mircea_popescu: "p
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily
scriba: Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
shinohai: http://archive.is/kBvoX <<< "We'll just roll back the chain, s'all good"
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: heya mod6
mod6: how goes today?
shinohai: Not bad, another hot day already ... catching up on some reading, you?
shinohai: !!up William_4042
deedbot: William_4042 voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: shinohai: yeah, been hot up here. horrid lately actually.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in gypsy looks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2f7734de724346e85ecace86ffba0708/tumblr_ob1fscaSfj1v8ing6o1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Buenas tardes Sr. Popescu
mircea_popescu: hola. tho it's morn here.
shinohai: Ah rite, you guys are 2 hours behind me ... (Stupid DST)
mircea_popescu: :p
shinohai: It is I, shinohai ....IM FROM TEH FUTURE1111
mircea_popescu: ahaha
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/86CCDA0D8AEF376579A2C392E7C6DBB78E9EBDC78C7C454DFF90BF14183490AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...9987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/86CCDA0D8AEF376579A2C392E7C6DBB78E9EBDC78C7C454DFF90BF14183490AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...1423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
BingoBoingo: In other news, Trump's going to let Obamacare come to natural death and wait for new Senate after 2018 mid term. GOP primary season will now be VERY interesting.
mircea_popescu: indeed
mircea_popescu: correct play, too. he really has no interest in putting in the work to try and salvage the nonsense ; and the pantsuits will have a hell of a time arguing that "we put on the books laws that don't work because we expect they can be constantly patched as a matter of course -- and this is fine"
mircea_popescu: next time -- write bugless code.
BingoBoingo: Also there's more entertainers expressing interest in GOP contests. Pantsuit entertainers have horrid general election track record. GOP side though... Trumpreich.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: hey, who knew conventionally-funny comics suck.
BingoBoingo: And most GOP entertainers also value their brand enough to not sink it over giving mouth hugs to mommy state.
mircea_popescu: that part remains to be seen. mebbe.
BingoBoingo: Well, pantsuit has... Al Franken. GOP has Reagan, Sonny Bono, Etc.
mircea_popescu: did he grab cher's pussy ?
BingoBoingo: No idea, twat a different time. Hard to tell from that age's dense forests.
mircea_popescu: lolz
BingoBoingo: Pantsuit McCaskill is not seeking re-election in Missouri. Governor Greitens hasn't declared candidacy yet, but appears to be campaigning.
mircea_popescu: was schwarzy republican or democrat in california ? i forget.
BingoBoingo: Republican
BingoBoingo: Well, GOP. No true Republicans get elected in the US. Not since Jefferson allegedly sired hundreds of farm implements himself.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: you know, back then it was the DEMOCRAT party running the poor-but-white blacks-are-farm-implements tickets.
BingoBoingo: Switch happened in the 1950's through the 1970's. George Wallace was the last
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1685822 << i'm not sure what happened. i initially misdiagnosed the issue, and lost the state necessary to figure out alternatives. i'm pretty sure though that the configuration parameters got reset (how??) and the bot was happily sitting on a random test channel ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 01:00 mircea_popescu: phf is a111 sick ?
mircea_popescu: weird
BingoBoingo: phf: Have you tried "beefing" a111 up with some Tren? Apparently works for AWS
asciilifeform: phf: is that a usual fallback ?
asciilifeform: ( test chan )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily << Not really, cars are too safe nowadays. With crumple zones it is hard to die as a drunk driver and the other alcoholic deaths take time. Also many of them ain't wired right to properly drink selves to death. Somehow their brains signal "drunk enough" and then they stop, I have no
scriba: Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
BingoBoingo: idea how these aliens work.
mircea_popescu: ^ word. i have seen kids drink these days. a) it's all beer and b) they think slightly buzzed = plastered.
mircea_popescu: vast majority of female teenagers who go to school that i've encountered past years have never been drunk.
phf: asciilifeform: so test chan is hard written in code, in a defvar, but there's a config (essentially a setq ...) that's supposed to override it. the config was missing (which i ~vaguely~ remember maybe accidentally doing myself). so in any case defvar should've stayed consistent no matter what. i'm not sure ~how~ it could get reset without a complete reload of an instance or an explicit setq
mircea_popescu: phf really the only important knob after such event is to be able to set "likely bug" or "likely messed with".
asciilifeform: phf: completereload (i.e. uininvited power cycle?) seems likely
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ^ word. i have seen kids drink these days. a) it's all beer and b) they think slightly buzzed = plastered. << Fuckers were also sober when arriving to bar
phf: asciilifeform: nah, definitely not. there's too much state in "screen", that's been the same since forever.
phf: it's weird enough that i'm going to spin up a new btcbase instance. this would be a really weird way to mess with it (why not nuke everything, etc.) and i'm sure i could've done something carelessly a while ago, and the things only now caught up, but i'd rather not experiment further.
mircea_popescu: the "really weird way" argument is not very productive because enemy is both inept and fearful.
mircea_popescu: that's when people do really weird things.
asciilifeform: log bot seems like a pathetic choice of target, also
mircea_popescu: depends if you're trying to learn or do.
asciilifeform: ( why not something that ain't duplicated in 4 places in real time )
asciilifeform: and/or something with even 1 secret
mircea_popescu: the problem with secrets is that the people who know where they are also know what they are.
asciilifeform: i'm at a loss re what one can get from inside a111 that ain't easier to get from the upstream isp.
mircea_popescu: "phf didn't notice"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs a sybil of you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand, this is too deep a koan for my small brain
mircea_popescu: ok, let's start small. what's the one thing the lover needs to know in order to safely visit the cheating wife ?
asciilifeform: when d00d is not home ?
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: "in order to masquerade the husband, youthful aspirant needs knowledge of what... husband doesn't know"
mircea_popescu: what is the basis of adolescent pretense to autonomy, independence and adulthood generally ?
mircea_popescu: a keen awareness of... what their parents... don't notice.
mircea_popescu: the things you don't know, if structured, become an alt-you.
mircea_popescu: whether anyone steps into that form or not, the form IS.
mircea_popescu: that is why it is so trivially easay for me to engage/defeat random pantsuit-minded kiddo straggling in here. his darkness is obviously structured.
mircea_popescu: that's one statement as to why we dun wanna be socialist. I DON'T WANT MY ABSENCE OF MIND STRUCTURED MOTHERFUCKERS.
mircea_popescu: etc.
trinque: asciilifeform: doubtful it'd just be a111; my fail2ban.log is rather long too. and fwiw authlog appears to have fewer IPs when fail2ban's off, moar, when on.
mircea_popescu: trinque say that last bit again ?!
asciilifeform: yea i dun get it
trinque had fail2ban off for a while, and looked like there were mostly just two "chinese" IPs chewing on the box. when I re-enabled fail2ban, got moar IPs chewing, either by happenstance or one turd circumventing fail2ban.
mircea_popescu: is the intimation here that fail2ban somehow communicates to the enemy ?
trinque: just that whichever auto-ssh-chewer sybils it up when a particular IP gets banned
mircea_popescu: aaa
mircea_popescu: this is likely, actuaklly, chinese white man's computer liberation farm only forks on ban
mircea_popescu: (this btw is quite possibly actual govt project ; seeing how drastically -ev it is)
asciilifeform: trinque: i get these 'chinese' every day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to continue upstream : education is an effort to resolve the unknowledge-sybil problem. you take in the girl and know full well what she doesn't know, whip her, fuck her, not necessarily in this order, until she gets to the place where you don't know what she doesn't know, at which point she's an adult slave.
asciilifeform: contemplated setting up a honeypot for them to see what is the payload, but ars longa
mircea_popescu: which strictly means that she carries an indelible if invisible brand now, ie, that you could pick her out of any number of identical body clones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the knowledge problem is not so simple as pictured here. husband may be at work but built camera into the floor long before he met the whore. phf may know re box but not care ( asciilifeform for instance regards contents of hdd of rental servers as sacrificial , esp after theft of the original dulap , etc )
mircea_popescu: which is why it says "knowledge of what husband doesn't know".
mircea_popescu: if he knows and you think he doesn't... guess what. now he'll sybil you.
asciilifeform: unless 'husband' is stupid, this knowledge is in principle unavailable.
mircea_popescu: because now HE knows what you don;t know. etc.
asciilifeform: this yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this is the point of all art and all science -- to avoid being stupid.
mircea_popescu: precisely because such knowledge is in principle unavailable, ie, if you got fucked it's always because you stumbled.
mircea_popescu: know the joke ?
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble."
asciilifeform: ah this yea
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: if you got fucked... at some point you "stumbled".
BingoBoingo: Welcome back ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: hey thanks BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
asciilifeform: trinque: fail2ban and similar, only help to unclutter logs
asciilifeform: they give ~0 additional tightness unless your setup was catastrophically ill-conceived to begin with
trinque: yep, no argument here. and agree re: rented boxes being rented toilets.
mircea_popescu: turning off pw auth possibly unclutters them more
asciilifeform: aha
trinque: it's off.
mircea_popescu: lol!
trinque: anyhow the deedbot box has backups on archival dvd, deploy scripts to plop the thing onto another box, etc etc; I'm sure same goes for other infrastructure
trinque: somebody's just making sure his boss's boss knows SERIOUS WORK is being done
asciilifeform: i thought state of the art 'serious work' was... stealing boxes
asciilifeform: 'that'll show'em'
trinque: probably in aggregate, on some spreadsheet; i.e. X boxes were "SCANNED FOR VULNERABILITIES"
mircea_popescu: oya.
ag3nt_zer0: might anyone help me with this question? I created a paper wallet using bitaddress.org transferred to little airgapped raspberry pi... not wanting to print on my wifi capable printer, I chose to write down the numbers. Now I am wanting to get my coins the hell off coinbase before the nonsense and am concerned that my private key is legit. so, I learned that I could go back on bitaddress.org, offline of course, and click "wallet de
mircea_popescu: your line got cut.
ag3nt_zer0: will display the correspnding pubkey... if it did this and everything matched can I take this as absolute that I am controlling and privkey will work when I want to send in 10 years?
trinque: ohey you found your passphrase eh?
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the point of a private key is that only you know it.
ag3nt_zer0: yes
ag3nt_zer0: but am i just to assume that ANY key generated is legitimate and will work when time comes?
mircea_popescu: so you know, run a proper node, make a new address there, send whatever coinbase/bitaddress/whatever held funds to it and be done.
ag3nt_zer0: keypair sorry
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you are to assume that no "generated" key is legitimate or will work reliably at any point.
ag3nt_zer0: yeah
mircea_popescu: get your own node going, have it keep your coin.
ag3nt_zer0: trinque it was just !!v instead of the old !v
mircea_popescu: if this is too inconvenient/complicated/expensiuve whatever, sell your bitcoin, now, and put the fiat in a fiat bank.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu... yes I need to do this... is it more expedient for a newb like me to attempt this on my old G5 or should I try it on another rasbpi?
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: really ought to keep up with the logs instead of doing these drive-bys
shinohai: Generating keypairs, etc on trb node has worked reliably for me 100% of time since inception
trinque: "I want to plan for my future, as expediently as possible." ?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque no just worried about getting them out at august first
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 if it doesn't take a ssd, prolly not useful for bitcoin node. otherwise i vaguely recall ppl trying the raspberry pi and blockverification taking too long
ag3nt_zer0: expedient no correct word
shinohai: (Especially now there is importprivkey function)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything takes ssd, i have msdos boxes with ssd...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform jus sayin' for his benefit.
ag3nt_zer0: ok thank you all kindly for the responses
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: don't be surprised, if waiting for aug1 or whatever 'wediditreddit event' to get your coin out of a gox, if they only offer to give it back in shitcoin ( or not at all )
asciilifeform: just say no to goxes.
ag3nt_zer0: yes I am trying to get out by tomorrow asciilifeform
ag3nt_zer0: all I can say is thank god I found this sanctuary of the guardians heh... otherwise who knows what I would be doing with my coins right now...
asciilifeform: i actually never understood this, even before encountering mircea_popescu et al :
asciilifeform: why is it that the early bitcoin folx had this 'burning hole in pocket' problem
asciilifeform: from where comes the 'who knows what I would be doing with my coins right now' ?
floog: i converted my btc to ltc until post-aug1
asciilifeform: lol why?!
shinohai: jenyus
mircea_popescu: lol
floog: thought it would be safe? apparently you all disagree
trinque: asciilifeform: insufficent forebrain to override hindbrain's itch for instant gratification
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform elstards are educated from birth to value things only by reference to the herd. it is not important for them to have a great fucktoy at home ; but it is very important for them to take home the girl all the other dorks imagine would be a great accomplishment to take home.
mircea_popescu: which is why when i showed something awful the "here, you can pay people to do things to themselves" it BURNEDDDDDDD
mircea_popescu: not simply because it empowers rapist-racist-pre-trump-trump-me, annoying as that may be ; but because it puts in question the integrity of their valuation mechanism.
mircea_popescu: "maybe mp paid everyuone around me to tell me they'd be all impressed if i married the hairbrush???"
mircea_popescu: to which the only correct answer is the obvious, "of course he did lol"
mircea_popescu: so now -- why owning a ferrari is nothing, unles you can DO things with it, such as ride it around a clump of "your friends" ?
mircea_popescu: it's a strange perversion of capitalism (whereby if it's not useful it's not worth jack) into displayism (whereby if it's not being seen it's not worth having). so you gotta... DO things with your bitcoin for your bitcoin to exist (not individually, but categorically -- a store of value "does not exist" in this addled worldview.)
asciilifeform: i thought it was from old fiatola habit ('spend it nao or it evaporates anyway')
mircea_popescu: i do not think so. these schmucks never had any money, they're the poor generation. their parents, yes, but these are the djb street urchins not the djbs.
trinque: every idiot you pass on teh street glued to the glass rectangle is doing this. "omg, I exist, look there are notifications on the rectangle for 'me'"
trinque: well not mircea_popescu, but asciilifeform passes them
mircea_popescu: trinque hey, you have no idea. so sunday was large celebration, including parade with literal 1k horses. the people ON the horses ?
mircea_popescu: yep, you guessed it, at least a quarter of the riders were taping away at any point.
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: and not 1 fell off ?
mircea_popescu: this with the horse underneath! which you know, needs your attention.
mircea_popescu: very fucking disconcerted horses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notrly. horse is very loving, welcoming, girlfriend like animal. it's going to help you in whatever way it can / you need.
mircea_popescu: but god damned...
trinque: ah lol, too bad
mircea_popescu: and in general you know, "i'm not interested in LOOKING at the horses, but where could i snap a selfie from ?"
mircea_popescu: but the truly mindboggling thing, to me, was that they were all fine riders. somehow. i do not know how. feet correctly in the saddle, not one, all, the men, children, women, etc. proper grips on at least half the reins. and so on.
mircea_popescu: and YET...
mircea_popescu: see, cuz if they looked like "u of maryland goes on horseback", half the schmucks seated backwards or whatnot, then it'd make sense. but how did these people manage to acquire riding skills with the constant tapdistraction ?
mircea_popescu: it must be from a time before, i've nothing else.
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform... I just mean there is a lot of noise and this place seems to be the clear signal... and I say "seems" simply because I don't understand it as well as I would need to dispose of that qualifier
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656354 << no sane authority, meaning erodes, can't create a self, masturbate in portable mirror? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
mircea_popescu: obviously.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I did see a rather long line at the McD's in San Jose when there
shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: One needs to keep the antenna locked to receive the clear signal!
asciilifeform: i suspect that moar folx in usa know how to fly plane, than to ride horse
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: for instance, I may have traded my coins for doge or whateva
mircea_popescu: o yeah, for some reason they think us stuff is great. my elite grocer, that stocks everything including fine french wines ? they think HORMEL is the best brand of cured meats.
asciilifeform: lol original spam
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: it's so disconcerting, pate de foie, hormel crap, greek olives, line-up. wtf.
asciilifeform: is it because of escapees from usa among the buyers ?
asciilifeform: sad to say, i bet the spam ~moves~
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631922 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 17:06 asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer
asciilifeform: !!up user705
deedbot: user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: asciilifeform: no, lol, it was not american expats at the San Jose mcdonalds.
asciilifeform: folx who grew up on 'vhs tape usa' then
trinque: has to be.
asciilifeform: though i'd imagine their population would be thinning by nao
asciilifeform: ( actually taking a trip to usa is a ~guaranteed cure )
trinque: possibly not. perhaps the monkeybrain prefers insane authority to none.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of naught in particular, isn't it shocking there's no pornstar named "natasha kinksky" ?
trinque: now there's a perverse state in which to be trapped; relying on the other's insanity to preserve the delusion of one's own sanity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe it's beause they very literallty and genuinely think the us crap is good.
floog: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685787 <<< blue book is going to take 3 weeks to ship. any tips of what to read up on/learn in the meantime? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 23:44 mircea_popescu: you know, if it seems a good next step then it likely is.
mircea_popescu: hormel prolly status symbol. i have record of "eating at mcdo every sunday" being top of list of old woman trying to sell convenience marriagfe to her poetic daughter.
mircea_popescu: floog you saw the topic ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trip does not cure ; know plenty of girlies who studied "criminalisticologies" in us, came back laden with debt, trying to GET BACK.
mircea_popescu: which is hysterical on its face. you... had to leave... because... it ... didn't suck ?!
floog: mircea_popescu write V implementation??
mircea_popescu: for instance.
mircea_popescu: or stand up a log bot, or whatever. run a trb node. run the ada implementation passed around recently of a big number calculator and produce 655356! to compare with the given values.
mircea_popescu: the log is full of stuff to do.
mircea_popescu: get a fg, run tests on it, report results, what have you.
mircea_popescu: trinque that perverse state is called borderline personality disorder ; aka wrist sleeves. they generally end up playing enabler to all sorta nutty males.
user705: is there a way to do a trb node not on Linux?
mircea_popescu: can you compile c on the not linux ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686119 << This was exactly my case. I have same appreciation towards folx here as ag3nt_zer0. I bought first btc at $20 for purposes of silk road back in early 2014. Price quickly shot up. Found tardstalk 'securities'. I thought "Wow, pretty graphs and charts. Lemme try and catch the next boat11!" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 19:29 trinque: asciilifeform: insufficent forebrain to override hindbrain's itch for instant gratification
lobbes: Then I started reading the "trolls", then finally was lead here (I think it was pankkake that tipped me off). Then, it hit me like a "shit-ton of bricks (tm)": I'm retarded! The herd is retarded! I better stop, listen, learn from these evidently superior beings before I'm toast.
shinohai: Sure, the foundation has trb.exe available on website
mircea_popescu: it does ?!
shinohai: /s
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCRY6xXUAAjbco.jpg "Invalidating idle private keys to force them to upgrade"
shinohai: I've seen it all now
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut
shinohai: How long befire the BTC phork crowd says "WE SHOULD TOTALLY DO THIS!!!!!"
mircea_popescu: zooko lol. dude's been a cock puppet since what, day 1?
user705: how would one define "idle"
mircea_popescu: user705 "not on list usg.nsa gave zooko deniably" ?
user705: oh mike hearn had that bright idea a while ago
shinohai: Seems zooko also started a new scam coin ... Imma hafta come out of retirement for these lulz
mircea_popescu: hey, ustards perceive "they got names", and gotta burn 'em to cash in. it's the way of progress!
trinque: user705: weird how different people all seem to push in the same direction eh?
trinque: must be wisdom of the crowd or something
mircea_popescu: user705 inasmuch as it's not an idea, yeah. they all have the same ideas, being the same item.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the official slack hangout, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6ddc1031c2446d6b41f3a22987808a4c/tumblr_ofd3wt0Rfy1u9uov7o1_400.gif
user705: if ever there was a great price entry point is when people like them quit BTC
mircea_popescu: define quit.
mircea_popescu: stop talking about it ? won't happen. stop being meaningfully involved ? they never were. which of 0, infinity was your notion ?
user705: in his case "quit" was he sold it all or so he said and who knows how much "all" really was
mircea_popescu: he never had any.
mircea_popescu: all the usg experts, from gavin down, were from the get-go paid in fiat to see what they can do to further fiat interest in the republic ; no more.
mircea_popescu: that vesseness could run his scam foundation a little longer by pretending to take donations "for paying gavin's salary" was simply an expedient cover-up. gavin was getting a nsa salary anyway. to pretend like "btc donations" from suckers paid for it was cheap enough a cover-up.
mircea_popescu: this is how teh usg does things, and always has. it takes a special sort of idiot to actually buy into their web of nonsense
mircea_popescu: but thart's ok, as they actually breed the requisite sort of idiot themselves.
shinohai: The same lie Bruce Fenton tried to sell when attempting to resurrect it
mircea_popescu: and why not. if it works it works so they get a little more juice, and if it doesn't work... not like anyone's going to jail.
mircea_popescu: by the time they';re going to jail everyone is anyway, so, they are correctly judging -- better hang for the sheep along with the calf, we're all dead men anyway.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686172 << blue book what ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:00 floog: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685787 <<< blue book is going to take 3 weeks to ship. any tips of what to read up on/learn in the meantime?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686176 << why would they want to go back?! eager to get back into debt peonage?? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trip does not cure ; know plenty of girlies who studied "criminalisticologies" in us, came back laden with debt, trying to GET BACK.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the place caters very well to the lazy vanity of the inept.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686184 << there were experiments with openbsd, but iirc it is not a currently supported os. so answer is linux unless you're willing to port. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:11 user705: is there a way to do a trb node not on Linux?
floog: asciilifeform schneier's applied cryptography 1st edition
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: they "have rights" which is to say, debt peonage is never going to be the south east asian brothel bed, or the debtor's prison, or marylebone workhouse.
mircea_popescu: rather than put up with their manifest insufficiency and social inferiority at home, they find it preferable to go be "equal" to "everyone" in dumblandia.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's ordered the early cycle schneier book, what.
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: there is some confusion re subj, and i fear that i created it :
asciilifeform: 1) schneier 'applied crypto' 1st ed : blue soft cover.
asciilifeform: 2) schneier 'applied crypto' 2nd ed , 1996 : red cover
asciilifeform: 2 is NOT censored edition, it is more or less same as 1.
asciilifeform: but there also exists a 3 :
asciilifeform: 'cryptography engineering' . dark blue/blackish cover
floog: is 1st edition censored?
asciilifeform: (2010). and it is ENTIRELY different book, largely fluff, 0 mathematics, thin
asciilifeform: 1 and 2 are interchangeable for all purposes afaik
asciilifeform: 3 is rubbish
asciilifeform: 'applied crypto' is moar of an encyclopaedia than anything else
asciilifeform: incidentally, the mega-b00k from which schneier et al plagiarize ~everything, is : 'handbook of applied crypgography', crc press
asciilifeform: by vanstone et al
asciilifeform: *cryptography
floog: so, is vanstone > schneier?
asciilifeform: imho.
asciilifeform: heavier on the mathematics, lighter on the chitchat
asciilifeform: ( contains, for instance, pretty good review of finite field arithmetic methods )
floog: basically, i realized that i suck, and i want to suck less. so i plan to read schneier per ben_vulpes' blog post's recommendation. but maybe i should read vanstone instead?
mircea_popescu: read both, what's the trouble.
asciilifeform: they're encyclopaedias, read whichever sections pleases you
asciilifeform: i started with ancient copy of schneier, later found the vanstone and realized that it is a superset
floog: # of hours in the day
asciilifeform: a very large fraction of ~both~ is devoted to rubbish (des, kerberos, dsa) which are of strictly archaeological/entomological interest
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686227 << in usa it is 'soft' peonage -- all it does is, if somebody pays you in electro-usgolade, they take ~80%; if you inherit property , they take whole thing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:41 mircea_popescu: they "have rights" which is to say, debt peonage is never going to be the south east asian brothel bed, or the debtor's prison, or marylebone workhouse.
mircea_popescu: what's indigent to inherit.
mircea_popescu: besides, she figures if she were to inherit shje'\d just run back home.
asciilifeform: they have parents neh
asciilifeform: well yes, back home where irs is waiting
mircea_popescu: in costa rica ? lol.
asciilifeform: mno, usa
asciilifeform: i thought thread was re 'they want back to usa'
mircea_popescu: under discussion was orc girl of no particular qualities aspiring to criminogogology degree from us.
asciilifeform: aaaa
asciilifeform: orc gurl aite
asciilifeform: i thought subj were escapee from usa
mircea_popescu: no. girl from here, goes there, gets "degree", HAS TO COME BACK
mircea_popescu: somehow this is !== "degree sucks" in her head, wants to go back for another spin.
asciilifeform: maybe another spin at 'mrs degree' ?
mircea_popescu: this is how they get pregnant, normally, but the usg has managed to turn that innate female idiocy into actual demographic aggregator for it.
mircea_popescu: she's basically raising cats.
mircea_popescu: "costs nothing" and "love her". after a fashion, both of these.
whaack: what's the point of learning crypto for plebians, the concepts are too hard to follow. there are so many traps in number theory, and the argument to believe that using a scheme like RSA is secure requires understanding so many lemmas. It's so easy to make a false proof, how can one not believe they're not being duped (intentionally or unintentionally) along the way to enlightenment. The one time pad is really the only thing I trust to t
whaack: his day.
mircea_popescu: the point of learning is learning, not immediate productivity.
mircea_popescu: some people are curious ; some aren't.
whaack: so it's just for the pleasure of learning?
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: what's the point of learning aerodynamics for plebians, the concepts are too hard to follow, there are so many traps in flying, and the argument to believe that it is possible to safely travel in an airplane requires understanding so many lemmas. it is easy to get into a spin, how can one not believe they are not headed screaming into the ground along the way....
trinque: eating a bullet would put an end to all this fretful uncertainty!
whaack: aha
trinque: of course what if it doesn't fire
asciilifeform: better make it a 30mm flak round to be sure
shinohai: lolz trinque
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686192 << that there's the endgame of all usgcoinisms, neh. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:16 shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCRY6xXUAAjbco.jpg "Invalidating idle private keys to force them to upgrade"
asciilifeform: is whole point.
mircea_popescu: well, whole point would be if the ugly fat kid would get the whole world to love him. but, fail that, picking and choosing which other's private keys can do what when will have to do as a substitute.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to revisit whaack 's earlier lament : never trust the man who says "don't worry your pretty head, sweet" unless you're quite meaning to be whored out ; because meaning or not, it's gonna happen.
whaack: i'm not advocating one doesn't make an effort to learn, I'm just pointing out that the material covered does not "fit in head" (as alf puts it) very easily and thus the main thing gotten from that book, for me at least, is the deep complexity involved with some of these schemes
trinque: loving mother nature says get a bigger head, or die
mircea_popescu: what fits in head depends also on the structuring of the head.
mircea_popescu: which you know, occurs through contact with complexity and labour upon it.
mircea_popescu: for instance : alf gets so livid when certain classes of events occur because they contradict assumptions he's made upon which he built the particular head-fitter he uses. they'd better hold, or else the whole thing is in danger. specifically : a lot less could be fit in head.
mircea_popescu: the discussion as to height of towers and men in prison is apropos.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely thinking of the bulk of the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other than the religion where 'it is confusing to ME, author, and therefore Must Be Hard To Break'
asciilifeform: it does not fit in any head because it is rubbish, specifically constructed to be difficult to analyze, but not by virtue of this any more secure in any sense you might care about
asciilifeform: ( specifically it is secure ~against your analysis~, but not the nsa designer's )
whaack: aha yes the blockcipher schemes always seem to be security-by-obfuscation
mircea_popescu: they're really just tradition-wank
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686295 << mircea_popescu would enjoy surprises no moar than asciilifeform does if he did not have a thick layer of otherpeople to insulate own skin from them ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:41 mircea_popescu: for instance : alf gets so livid when certain classes of events occur because they contradict assumptions he's made upon which he built the particular head-fitter he uses. they'd better hold, or else the whole thing is in danger. specifically : a lot less could be fit in head.
mircea_popescu: "oh, enigma machine sucked, surely if we used computer to emulate one WILL BE SO MUCH BETTER"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was not proposing that as a flaw.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, ALL, without exception, blockcipher and streamcipher, published to date, are ~enigma
mircea_popescu: arguably not as well made, either. the original had a lot of "boxes" and shit.
asciilifeform: actually quite same.
asciilifeform: ( today's, e.g. aes, have moar boxes still. but same principle, of rearrangement. )
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, best handle for masochistic subbie on bdsm site ?
mircea_popescu: tvoyasovest.
ben_vulpes: in other toxic masculinity news, one of the guys i share the office with brought a set of olympic weights in
mircea_popescu: is this bad for fiatcoin ?
ben_vulpes: swole wot is bad for fiatcoin, yes
mircea_popescu: a ok then