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mod6: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo : Thanks!
asciilifeform: mod6: np
asciilifeform: mod6: plox to lemme know asap if you observe anyffin out of the ordinary on yer rk.
mod6: Will do. So far working great.
mod6: Copied over my old data, stood apache back up, etc.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in sneak-previews: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yzrXh/?raw=true << draft of m-r .
asciilifeform: ^ ftr, the added cost of the piecewise-defined (correct for all possible inputs of N and Witness) , vs. yesterday's 'naked' variant, is <0.001s (on std test iron.)
asciilifeform fixed the obv. mistakes
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/oxford-university-suspends-donor-relationship-with-huawei/ << Qntra -- Oxford University Suspends "Donor Relationship" With Huawei
mircea_popescu: what's oxford need technology for anyway.
BingoBoingo: Well, not much since they gave up their wall technology
mircea_popescu: they got that world-famous logician anyways, VIRTUAL WALL
BingoBoingo: Well, that's Nancy Pantsuit's latest failure to engage Trump in the shutdown. Exactly the sum Trump wants to start walling, but restricted to more Boeing camera/drone/robodog wank in the tradition of Dubya
mircea_popescu: 1800s level capitol hill tech.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
asciilifeform: recall that huawei was usg.fatwa'd for konsoomer pnoje also ( presumably logic is, 'ohnoez, even tards no longer want to buy ipnoje with 0 buttons and $2k price -- wat do? let's try banning all competition' )
mircea_popescu: it'll be a pretty funny decade, ustards crowding retarddit to coordinate wikitardia articles about who's the "real" president of the most serene republic &c
asciilifeform: iirc they already tried ~that~ ( gavin ? )
mircea_popescu: when did failure discourage a group of morons.
asciilifeform: tru. who, incidentally, is the current gavin? i admit, lost track, dun follow subj actively ☟︎
mircea_popescu: seems to be unnamed, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889797 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-24 15:19 BingoBoingo: Well, overnight alt-President invited the US Embassy garrison to remain over Maduro's expulsion order
mircea_popescu doesn't specifically care, pantsuit "names" are entirely inconsequential anyway.
asciilifeform tuned out of subj when realized that can't point to a distinguishing algo between gavin, hearn, wright, et al -- they're idempotent , like electron..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, but wait, in rokeks did you ever see http://trilema.com/2011/romania-cea-de-basm-partea-i/ ?
asciilifeform: not seen, but iirc mircea_popescu actually mentioned this item elsewhere
asciilifeform: !#s eminescu
a111: 55 results for "eminescu", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=eminescu
mircea_popescu: (romanian academy published a book in which it included the fraud complaint i issued against their at the time sitting head as "found on the Internet", an expression at the time famous in ro for being used by various derps)
asciilifeform: this is almost as hilarious as the 'mathematical' conferences that happily ate perl-generated 'paper' etc
mircea_popescu: ie, mostly tv stations perceived blogs as competition, but ~because they actually were~ competition, and winning, couldn't omit stealing their conent. and so the expression "found on the Internet" was invented to avoid saying "we suck, go read this-dood.com instead"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these folx so stupid they dun even know how to mit-phuctor ??
mircea_popescu: which puts us in the following amusing relation : the romanian academy perceived that not only i'm the competition... but have the upper hand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too inept dood, what. they can't do shit.
mircea_popescu: in any case, in 2011, as in 2001, as in 2021 i can say "academia romana keks" or http://trilema.com/2011/stimata-academie/ whatever ; but they can't say "trilema.com", because holy shit. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so now... let's go ban huawei top keks, make america alone again!
mircea_popescu: it started like that, you realise. back in the early days of the confederacy, the us president couldn't on his own merit summon enough credit in europe to afford a meal at a decent restaurant. if the local dukes of dorset didn't invite them to their table, they'd eat poached eggs brought from home on the side of the road.
asciilifeform: well-documented (e.g. jefferson lost his shirt )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the fraud complaint result in anyffin but the pictured lulgem?
asciilifeform: ( how does copyrasty work in europistan anyway... does it actually make for a claim, or do you gotta be disney, like in usa..? )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'holy fuck, i thought we hit rock bottom but then heard a knock from below' lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mcleod/index.html << 'professor of engineering' tries to argue in favour of old-fashioned , carmichaelizable primality litmus ~instead~ of m-r, on acct of the 'rarity of carmichael #s' . ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't copyright legal proceedings, they're public.
mircea_popescu: (i mean, i realise in the us they aren't, but w/e, nobody really gives a shit about retardistan)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant re the orig stolen trilema piece
mircea_popescu: but the orig piece is precisely that, i published the complaint.
asciilifeform: hm i must be thick.. what was the orig complaint about
mircea_popescu: so did they -- went in 2nd, right AFTER the sitting ro president's salutation and right above what they judged as the top economiasm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fraud. http://trilema.com/2009/denunt-penal-in-contra-lui-eugen-simion/
asciilifeform: a++ iron pen btw
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
asciilifeform has a very similar ancestral one, but not much of a calligraphist
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, did 'procuror sef' ever answer ?
mircea_popescu: certainly. http://trilema.com/2009/denunt-penal-in-contra-lui-eugen-simion-raspunsul-dna/
asciilifeform: lol form letter ?
mircea_popescu: well what was he going to write me perfumed billets doux ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, item did what such items do, in the us too : it blew a hole in the party-that-the-guy-was-fronting's skirts, and he retired.
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: anyway, all these were strictly unthinkables in the place and time.
mircea_popescu: 99.99x% of all those who interacted with the object online had never before perceived the functioning of these mechanisms to any degree. romania has ~0 civic education in the school system and so on. even the modicum of "teach dork to write a formal application" or w/e they used to do in home ec was abandoned.
mircea_popescu: but as a factual matter, before us-ization ro had a very good legal system ; much like 80 years prior, before sovietization.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'lasted just long enuff to show what freedom smelled like' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: possibru. i dun recall right off...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the abstract claim, "one random round of fermat provides same error probability as 32 rounds of m-r" is pretty striking.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it aint even wrong, as such. simply ignores fact that it'll always say 'prime' when eats a carmichael.
mircea_popescu: is this published 2018 ?
asciilifeform: loox like
mircea_popescu: and it even begins with the usual pantsuit signature, "as an X", huh.
asciilifeform: aaaha
asciilifeform: mirrored & posted for entomological record.
mircea_popescu: well, so now we know what to do should robert d mcleod aka robert.mcleod@umanitoba.ca show up.
asciilifeform: lolyes
asciilifeform: i thought the notion being pushed is hilarious tho. 'who cares if yer litmus doesn't work on 561, it aint like you ever need to verify whether 561 is prime' etc
mircea_popescu: looking into the intro/outro derpitudes, it looks like the nobus-encryption afficionados in usg.blue that survived the clinton era are looking to build "scientific basis" for ulterior nonsense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lotsa examples of these zombies, e.g.,
mircea_popescu: ie, "mathematicians know and computer dorks needn't worry" bla bla.
asciilifeform: !#s boneh
a111: 41 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh
asciilifeform: or for that matter the current husk of djb.
mircea_popescu: this guy is fucking terrible, where's this whole crop of new model wykham professors of logic spawn from anwyays ?
asciilifeform: printing press, where
asciilifeform: 'i have maffs phd, where do i go to maffs for moneys' 'hey we have this here opening... all you gotta do is shill for quantum-resistant philosopher's stones with boneh' 'where do i sign' etc
mircea_popescu: nevermind kids never being taught how to write a fucking legal document in school. how about they be taught HOW NOT TO BRING FEMININE ARGUMENTS.
asciilifeform: this here aint even 'feminine', closer to... prikokine
mircea_popescu: that's what it means, exactly.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/#selection-139.48-139.184 which is to say "since i'm gonna get pinned down and have a parasite injected ~ANYWAY~, might as well blablablblabla" and so on.
asciilifeform: characteristically, even ~these~ used to be moar interesting, imho -- back when the breakage was at least sometimes subtle
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670800 as it were ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-15 18:26 mircea_popescu: in the end the question comes down to, do you feel like a man, or do you feel like a woman ? just don't lie to me or lie to me prettily ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-10#1015263 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-10 21:16 beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?
mircea_popescu: !!up beetcoin
deedbot: beetcoin voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ? ☟︎
beetcoin: well, in 2017 we saw that the governance model was resistant to miners signalling for a doubling of max block weight
beetcoin: i was never a big-blocker, idk if being perceived that way was the origin of our dispute in 2015
beetcoin: but it's even clearer now that the purpose of governance is to optimize for trustlessness
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to bite -- beetcoin , wtf is 'trustlessness' ?
beetcoin: Bitcoin having the property of trustlessness means that you may use it without trusting anyone
asciilifeform: how's this work ? built own comp, wrote own client... ?
beetcoin: you may do that
asciilifeform: but didja ?
mircea_popescu: you seriously learned nothing in five years ?
mircea_popescu: does deliberate, stubborn stupidity pay something, somewhere ? or is it just the internal "satisfaction" ?
beetcoin: hahaha
beetcoin: what is the problem?
mircea_popescu: no problem, i suppose for as long as they keep feeding you, you'll keep vegetating in yourself.
beetcoin: asciilifeform, of course we have to trust that our CPU isn't backdoored unless we start our own fabrication facility. Bitcoin isn't perfectly trustless because of that, i'm just saying it should be the goal of governance
asciilifeform: beetcoin: consider, the 'bitcoin komyooniti' had full decade nao to remove the 'wtf do these cpp turds even DO in all possible boundary conditions' from the list of unknowns. and did they ?
diana_coman: this "trustless" echoes some students' insistence that it's "better to not have to trust someone" - I couldn't quite get to the root of it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: by same token, a perpetuum mobile is also 'better' engine, dun need to fuel it. the 1 problem is that where do you get one.
diana_coman: perhaps a combination of "I'd much rather NOT have this responsibility so passing it to some abstract group/network HAS to be great" and "all people are ~same and X is a crook therefore all people are crooks therefore can't trust someone"
asciilifeform: in re 'you may do that', what comes to mind is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706534 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706369 << how about focusing on your own fucking problems! clean up that pizza wrapper! cook for fucking once. go out and walk that misfortunate dog of yours. instead of pretending to "solve" the problems of distant others for the transparent reason that you can avoid having to confront not having done ANYTHING in a whole decade this way.
asciilifeform: folx wanking over hypothetical 'moar trustless' protocols etc. while happily snarfing up openssl , cpp, etc., are a peculiarly anglotardian sort of head-stander
asciilifeform: ( naggum also had a thing re 'for fucks sake clean up the kitchen' )
diana_coman: certainly, but that was precisely what they kept "avoiding" at all costs; e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/#selection-213.0-213.61 and their strongly-dearly held idea that "contracts can't be broken" pretty much
asciilifeform: mostly unrelatedly -- while diana_coman is awake -- diana_coman can you think of why vanstone et al give n - 2 upper bound for m-r witness ? cuz by theorem, it's good through n - 1
diana_coman: well yes; but I was struck by why this particular thing to latch on; perhaps "easiest" and the approved anti-whatever or something but anyways
asciilifeform: ( and in fact all that's req'd of witness is that it be coprime with n )
diana_coman: hm, not off the top of my head
asciilifeform: seems like ~50% of the various lit blindly copies the n - 2 thing , also
asciilifeform: for no, afaik, particular reason.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, can you point me exactly to what you mean re n-2?
asciilifeform: 1s
diana_coman: i.e. which exact para in the book or wherever are you puzzled about
asciilifeform: vanstone sect 4.24 (p. 139 in my copy )
asciilifeform: 'choose a random integer a , 2 <= a <= n - 2'
diana_coman: right, I'm looking at it
asciilifeform: cormen & rivest gives the proper , per the theorem, upper bound of n - 1
asciilifeform: pediwik -- copies vanstone's
asciilifeform: koch , otoh, does other thing entirely, trims the bitness to be below N's
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i suspect you're exactly on point.
mircea_popescu: in the same vein, changing diapers is really something the aliens should do.
mircea_popescu: it sounds stupid until you realise that's 100% what's meant by "#metoo"
BingoBoingo: In other news, it looks like Trump agrees with OMB on the furlough thing per http://qntra.net/2019/01/trump-cancels-pantsuit-vacation-party/ Agreeing to turn the government back on for 3 weeks and then declaring emergency ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc carter's 'declared emergency' was never Officially undeclared
BingoBoingo: Emergency meaning, in the headlines wall and 30 days after three weeks furloughs
mircea_popescu: yeah, wasn't the us in state of emergency since the 70s ?
asciilifeform: aha!
BingoBoingo: Details
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: the bit got stuck on.
mircea_popescu: gotta shake the box
BingoBoingo: Well, you know how the alarm gets stuck on so you gotta buy another while the first is wailing? Government of Lawls not men?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I even remember I did go with pen and paper precisely through this but I'd need to rummage through the old papers to find it again, ugh
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to post if you turn it up. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i went through the algo, to bake ffaistic proof of correctness, and get n - 1.
BingoBoingo: Anyways after seeing Vzla go indeterminate following riots over who can deliver a richer basket of dry noodles... investigation reveals A+++ crowd control equipment can can sourced locally
mircea_popescu: in other unrelated luls, in the country apparently named "el salvador" there exists a town called "la libertad".
mircea_popescu: abstraction incarnate.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ << Trilema -- Trilema images no longer showing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tradition is to send img hotlinkers goatse, but this also a++
mircea_popescu: if anyone's hindered by teh item in their legitimate extersions lemme know.
asciilifeform 's www, not being superstar like trilema, serves up maybe 20-30GB (incl. to spamcrawlers) on a heavy day, so never bothered
mircea_popescu: you also don't have naked women. but fuck me if im going to start budgeting my visuals now.
asciilifeform: i've very little photo at all ( on typical day, ~2GB total movement )
asciilifeform so far even avoided bitmapped maffs, in the vein of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888458 ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-20 15:31 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/01/experiment-n-way-split-karatsuba/ << bvt's backtrace -- Experiment: N-Way Split Karatsuba
mircea_popescu: over a lifetime of mathing those can in fact end up quite heavy
asciilifeform: they're imho ugly as sin too
asciilifeform: i dunlike bitmapped maffs.
asciilifeform: all i've got in re those is a few de-pdf'd artifacts, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884500 etc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 18:30 asciilifeform: aand nao for an archaeo-sumthing compleeetely different : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/daykin/index.html
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/barrett/index.html , and coupla others.
asciilifeform uses these strictly in 'за что купил за то и продаю' situations
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, i dunno if specifically should or shouldn't be included in mp-wp, but it's certainly there published to be coopted if useful.
asciilifeform: could easily come in ultra-handy if sudden burst of heathen traffic.
mircea_popescu: kinda the eternal problem of the count-of-knobs. put it in, now it's in. put it behind a knob, now there's a knob. leave it out, now it's out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dhl claims 'mon jan 28th delivery' for crate.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 10-4