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decimation: yeah the ds3231 has the same spec for time performance
decimation: my reading of the spec sheet is that combined aging and temperature stability (assuming 0-40C) would be about 8.5 ppm
decimation: asciilifeform: www.ebay.com/itm/INBOARD-RTC-DS3232-Real-Time-Clock-and-Temperature-Sensor-I2C-BUS-PIC-AVR-ARM-/120841157983 < hi-spec part
decimation: well, if that's a hard spec, and 'launch into space' is a hard spec, the project is a failure
decimation: well, if that were a hard spec I would agree, need txco or ocxo
mats: trinque: spec calls for displaying stats, which would probably require caching because pgsql reads from disk otherwise
decimation: now, as I pointed out with midnightmagic, it strikes me as backwards to develop a replacement before describing a spec
decimation: ideally, writing a damn spec first
decimation: his code sucks, I don't deny, but it's the closest thing to a spec that we have
decimation: ^ from source package (.spec)
mircea_popescu: because we live in the best possible world built on top of !!!science!!! so nothing is ever sold by any sort of spec.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181585 << there is something in the entire "cutting off nose to spite your own face" thing. absent this, the pissant has no incentive to uinderstand it is a tiny spec, and may even pretend itself equal to every other asshole out there. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and anything purporting to be a human-readable spec is necessarily incomplete
asciilifeform: decimation: unless i seriously misunderstood mircea_popescu, not only is the reference client the permanent spec, but so are the turdependencies
decimation: well, it seems to me that there ought to be a definable spec between "talk to peers" and "maintain database of blocks"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the ibmpc buildroot sounds like a spec for the 'trilema jobs board'
kakobrekla: but thats china spec
asciilifeform: mod6: lowest level of the bitcoin spec - order in which fields go in message, their contents, etc
mircea_popescu: that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly.
ascii_field: decimation: where's the 100% open spec ?
mircea_popescu: you spec an order of boards meanwhile to be ~1k
trinque: reason being, should you specifically define it, you may find there is no existing device that meets the spec
mats: fun fact: creators of the BLE spec published it with known vulnerabilities, e.g: "None of the pairing methods provide protection against a passive eavedropper during the pairing process as predictable or easily established values for TK are used." (BLE Core 4.0, Vol.3, p604)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148879 << this is a complicated problem, in part because the spec isn't terribru good. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: gabriel_laddel this is the spec/manifesto for BAD ?
ascii_field: afaik it works great for 1+2 and therefore meets spec
mircea_popescu: (i have trouble recalling that whole spec, which is one of the things that are fucking wrong with it)
ben_vulpes: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/clim-spec/ << bitrot!
decimation: yeah, they don't put that in the spec, but who knows. if the supply is really efficient, it ought not generate much heat
mircea_popescu: the spec is in no way broken by this.
mircea_popescu: mxtm we check implementations to make sure they're conformant to spec.
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 16:14:04; jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132034 << the spec is that you can allocate whatever nicks you wish, LOCALLY. ☝︎
jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it seems like your browser supplies it somehow ? the source has no class spec.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:50; ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128074 << transistor spec that fits in head, hopefully ? ☝︎
ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers ☟︎
ascii_field: from spec sheet: 800MHz sparc-like; sata-2; 12 ddr3 ecc dimm slots; various standard i/o (e.g., pci-e, GbE;) and, most interestingly, built-in fpga for 2d interconnect into clusters by directly linking bus (202 G/s claimed.)
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125794 << that was also in the spec ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this was in the fucking spec, but i forgot
mod6: i was apologizing for the spec dump.
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/spec.html
davout: aha, not sure i ever actually *read* that spec, is it trilema'd?
danielpbarron: you could do that, but the spec is for it to have all necessary stuff contained in the unit itself
mircea_popescu: and this is also a fine entry point for explaining to management noobs the meta point of why exactly a theoretical approach doesn't ever work. yes, you could read the tcp/ip spec and look for holes. those are the holes in the tcp/ip spec, not the holes in tcp/ip.
decimation: or meet's mircea_popescu's spec?
trinque: tonight I'm going to work on it belching the deed URLs into chan when published, and I think that about wraps up the spec
mats: Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection
Pierre_Rochard: davout: I floated the idea last year - I’ve used a lot of different accounting software and never been satisfied - none of them use acccounting theory as the spec
BingoBoingo: <trinque> obviously, and so you're going to have every soldier cast the metal for his own gun? << Unreasonabru, but Officers outfitting their soldiers to the Officer's chosen spec has ample historical precedent
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kludgy and bolted on to original spec
mircea_popescu: well it was os'd to my spec the first time...
mircea_popescu: uh that's a pretty bad spec neh ? what's M+Gs ?
pete_dushenski: spec 128 gb iphone 6 plus.
jurov: $10 is already a premium for that spec
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'll draw up a full spec and be sure that I can do it (in terms of time) and show that to you. Good starting point?
williamdunne: Ah sorry, well it depends. Obviously its a pretty lose spec but I'd probably go for something that has all the basic functionality built on a probably ASP stack, rather than doing anything too fancy with pretty colours everywhere
mircea_popescu: williamdunne actually i was gonna write a spec, soi i guess brb
ascii_lander: and l0l, i don't even remember how to program any more (at least in the traditional sense where someone gives you a spec & pays)
mats: you got a spec?
trinque: Citizenfive: read the spec?
asciilifeform: and no deviation from the spec is tolerated.
mircea_popescu: still testing to see what'll be minimum rec spec, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: "Writing an empty stub is an extremely bad practice and should only be done in desperation, because at the urbit level it produces a system event log that is nonrepeatable, or at least noncompliant with the nock spec. Discrepancies propagate rapidly in any kind of replay. You should be able to turn off all jets and get the same result. This is not practical, but it is practical if you disable everything but a few ba
asciilifeform: suggested nailing down a machine spec
nubbins` generally doesn't do design work on open-ended spec
asciilifeform: jurov: clearly this is part of the spec, it must build for a) self b) other archs
asciilifeform: because ada spec -includes a scheduler-
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, "the protocols of the elders of zion" is not an isolated product, much like the spec of dust that has a light shone on just right isn't the only spec available in the area.
jurov: ssl spec is too complicated, hence inevitably buggy implementations
danielpbarron: Chillum, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/spec.html
mircea_popescu: but if you imagine there's any room in the spec of this thing for the end user to fiddle with it you're ourgiht nuts.
BingoBoingo yet to try .foundation build as spec'd, mostly has moar weird in his plan pipeline
nubbins`: 30MB/s writes if it's up to spec
danielpbarron: they are not up to the defined spec
ascii_field: but can be inferred from the port layout and the chipset in the spec sheet.
nubbins`: doing work on spec where it has to pass through a single arbiter is /daft/
nubbins`: doign work on spec is fucking nuts
Adlai: testing individual components to confirm that they meet spec, soldering them onto the pcb
asciilifeform: ditto mass spec
mircea_popescu: ah. the spec doesn't change by the implementation yo. the other way around.
PeterL: trinque: the "social contract" of bitcoin is the "spec" as laid out by satoshi in the white paper
asciilifeform: mike_c: the tale with the board house was simply a case of 'wunderwaffen' that did not fire to spec
asciilifeform: mike_c: if the thing shows up on fri., and works to spec, then useful, sure
nubbins`: i.e. places where there's wiggle room in the spec, one zigs where the other zags
mircea_popescu: mod6 if you write a spec or something ima read it, for whatever good that's gonna do
asciilifeform: but now find it very hard to believe that it will work to spec, before
decimation: asciilifeform: I assume you saw the sudden freakout over hilariously weak crypto implemented by spec in SSL?
gabriel_laddel: Not as easy as it sounds. Life is finite, as exemplified by MP not reading Al's experiment spec, and Al not being MP
asciilifeform: say, today there's a 'quadra tracker' for every five or six working portable mass-spec products, what if the proportion were reversed ?
mats: as if Text Secure is usable, has a spec or docs like opengpg, as if mailpile doesn't shell out to a gpg binary
thestringpuller: Adlai: drafting them to spec is difficult sometimes. Like coming up with a good statement of work, or an SLA
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh? << Not in its spec. Hands this off to wetware
asciilifeform: the engineering spec, not written anywhere, is 'drug must make patient less apt to complain but oughtn't be detectably pleasurable'
asciilifeform: (these were rng boards, which are analogue devices and for which i have means of testing conformance to spec)
mod6: ok. no problem. just trying to get it down to a spec
asciilifeform: just what the doctor ordered for proggys whose behaviour (and error modes) must follow rigorous spec, or user - dies.
decimation: there's another angle to the 'open source cad' thing: autocad refuses to release the spec for their full-feature 'save' files
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but yes, if physics sims, output to heavy industry spec, etc. is your thing - winblows.