assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241450 @ 0.00048227 = 116.4441 BTC [-] {5}
phf: asciilifeform: i did blockdump on 0..217336 and all the checksums come out to what's in sums.txt.gz. i'm going to eatblock them with a fresh datadir
phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.15160515 = 1.6677 BTC [-] {3}
williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77775 @ 0.00049062 = 38.158 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: williamdunne, how do you pick girlfriends then?
williamdunne: I haven't had many, so I can't give a good answer.
williamdunne: But I don't have a quota of minorities to fill
funkenstein_: not defending twitter mind you, your point still stands
punkman: does funkenstein_'s sex life have diversity quotas?
funkenstein_: i'm just going to pretend it's supersymmetric lodging and move on
williamdunne: Yesterday was the most entertaining time I've had in a while
williamdunne: One split their nose, the other got a nosebleed and a semi-bad black eye
punkman: "Netflix, Spotify and other streaming services just got more expensive in Chicago as an update to the city’s amusement tax went into effect Wednesday. The change adds a 9 percent tax to Chicago residents’ subscriptions."
williamdunne: I'm quite curious about how on earth that works as far as jurisdiction goes
williamdunne: How can Chicago enforce a tax law on a company not based in Chicago?
punkman: or EU wanting non-EU companies paying VAT
williamdunne: Or the more recent ruling on EU VAT where its billed at the customer country
punkman: nah supposedly you'll be paying at one and they'll split it up
punkman: never played that one, but kinda reminds me of Cannon Fodder
assbot: How World War III became possible: A nuclear conflict with Russia is likelier than you think - Vox ... (
http://bit.ly/1Ny7xNo )
mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority
☟︎ mats: i think its inevitable for tactical nukes to be fielded
decimation: asciilifeform: I used "pegasus mail" client
decimation: was vastly superior to eudora & alternatives
mats: i dunno how to do the calculations for homemade explosive like that
mats: but that is of dubious authenticity
mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 15:45:52; assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski
funkenstein_: it's all public, old, and fiction. great writer though.
mats: i miss blowing things up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00050398 = 40.3184 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:44; mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think
decimation: asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies
decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
☟︎ decimation: actually molten lead is pretty harmless
decimation: it's lead ingestion that's th eproblem
decimation: asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy
decimation: yeah it's just too expensive to make lots of masks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00049705 = 26.9898 BTC [-]
decimation: so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts?
decimation: asciilifeform: reflected multi-watt laser burns yer eye out
decimation: asciilifeform: it might be an inductor
decimation: I imagine it needs to be exotic to hold up to that kind of energy
decimation: ^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron
decimation: the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets
decimation: it will control per-room temps on demand.
decimation: which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems
decimation: actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116550 @ 0.00048234 = 56.2167 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00048697 = 37.448 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00048723 = 29.5261 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: <decimation> ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd << one stops being surprised eventually
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> (thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src) << i missed this, somehow. link me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.00047682 = 41.5072 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. << linux's fate: hosting bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: neat parallels to parasitism in nature.
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort
ben_vulpes: * ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' << never have i been so hooked on so much promiseware
mats: ;;ticker --bitstamp
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
mats: ;;ticker --market bitstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.09, Best ask: 255.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 255.1, 24 hour volume: 13766.60354772, 24 hour low: 253.81, 24 hour high: 260.89, 24 hour vwap: 257.267613042
mats: speculators figured out greeks won't be buying coins huh
shinohai`: The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such.
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done
ben_vulpes: only way to get work done with *that* kind of robot is to put it into slow mode and hold dead-man switch
ben_vulpes: i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me
ben_vulpes: fun with coordinate system transforms!
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> bonus points for testing on heathen compilers << rather
punkman: lots of cosmic rays in germany eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.0004816 = 55.3358 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2}
☟︎ shinohai: What the hell happened in Alemania ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00049671 = 11.6727 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00047687 = 24.9165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94464 @ 0.00047976 = 45.32 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49139 @ 0.00049179 = 24.1661 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37425 @ 0.00047542 = 17.7926 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: shinohai, bit rich that 4chan has a no faggots thread when it is full of them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00047487 = 2.5909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126844 @ 0.00047303 = 60.001 BTC [-] {2}
ronaz: not sure I deserve that!
ronaz: a brokering service mainly
ronaz: we are also shipping first patch of Denarium coins in a weeks time
ronaz: plus we have an ATM-network of 8-9 devices around Finland
ronaz: physical Bitcoins, lile Casascius sold back in the days
ronaz: www.denarium.com check it out
assbot: ronaz is not registered in WoT.
ronaz: on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients
☟︎ ronaz: ahh. i have the wot account from 2012
ronaz: i wonder if i would find the key to sign myself in
punkman: you will need a GPG key to register with assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100756 @ 0.00048186 = 48.5503 BTC [+] {5}
ronaz: punkman: on brolering side we have had over 30 000 individual clients and thus can claim to be a key player in Nordic BTC brokering
ronaz: creater order at website, pay through bank account transfer, and we check accounts three times pee day and run a batch for paid orders
punkman: so you handle both fiat and bitcoin?
ronaz: no not a public one
ronaz: we do match orders and sells according to spot on exchange
punkman: is this to get around regulation related to exchanges?
ronaz: one is to avoid providing a wallet service
punkman: oh so you only handle the bitcoins for a short period?
ronaz: so how are involved in Bitcoin business scene yourself?
punkman: not involved in any bitcoin business for the time being
ronaz: market sentiment has beem bad for volumes for 1,5 years :'(
punkman: don't tell me you are brokering bitcents
ronaz: 20 eur minimum so yeah i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131107 @ 0.00049874 = 65.3883 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.00051364 = 43.608 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130108 @ 0.00051836 = 67.4428 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2169 @ 0.00052466 = 1.138 BTC [+]
shinohai: epic twitter avatar you are using now
danielpbarron: I usually don't go along with those "change your profile pic to show support" things, but when I saw the qntra bunny...
shinohai: If mircea_popescu changes the trilema background to that flag, I'll do it.
kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12943 @ 0.0005266 = 6.8158 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you pissed them off just by being seen with chicka? imagine their rage if you'd /slept/ with her!
ben_vulpes: actually imagining that is probably what got them all het up in the first place
decimation:
https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no further attention."
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00053264 = 28.8425 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: "These statements strike us as being crazy and misguided. And for good reason. I have met some of these elites." << is dood schizo or am i reading too much into things
decimation: here's a conspiracy: why were the german journalists so quick to discredit phuctor's work, when the majority of the targeted keys appear to be the pirate party
decimation: ben_vulpes: who knows, he might be claiming shit that isn't true, but it does strike me as fairly reasonable
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm just looking at the we/i thing
decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads
☟︎ ben_vulpes: didja read the most recent orlol asciilifeform posted?
decimation: I read it as he was using the third-party language intentionally - to sympathize with the reader's point of view
ben_vulpes has binaries to copy between wordprexen
decimation: "The outsiders can see these patterns, but don?t understand the details, so come across as cranks when trying to do analysis. Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine. They don?t even know where the levers are. When they try to fix the machine, they get duped, get discredited, and end up out of power again."
ben_vulpes: only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off.
☟︎ decimation: this echo's yarvin's "what if ron paul won the presidency" gedankenexperiment
decimation: he would try to eliminate the dept of education or whatever, and he would quickly find himself 'nixoned'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00053264 = 10.1202 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: having trouble understanding why big money would put him on the throne
decimation: note that the primary job of president these days is to fail to excercise your theoretically vast but practically nearly nonexistant power
ben_vulpes: no man you just don't understand how the world works
decimation: his employees did some, congress did some
decimation: but a federal employee really isn't obama's employee anyway
decimation: he has less power than the average mcdonald's night shift manager
ben_vulpes: obligatory reference to "owning a thing means being able to destroy it"
ben_vulpes: in that sense obab (as proxy for the usg) does in fact own my company to a far greater degree than i ever can
decimation: the president's main power is to appear before the press and say things that are unsurprising
decimation: he can also receives the benefits of appearing to be rich and powerful, and gets an army of people who are interested in making him seem powerful
decimation: not obama, but the gang of federal civil servants who actually make employment defacto employment law
ben_vulpes: how else to maintain the illusion that the whole thing matters.
ben_vulpes: its this terrifying beast that in the large is incapable of changing anything, but should its eye orient towards any individual woe unto them.
decimation: no human could possibly manage the official federal government
decimation: not to mention the vast unofficial government
ben_vulpes: and perhaps this is the hallmark of fascist states - how would I know, only recently having started to crawl out from under my brainwashing - that they can't possibly deliver on their promises of complete surveillance (let's just take tax collection for one tiny slice of the thing), but they freeze any individuals assets on a whim to prevent their fighting back on tax charges.
ben_vulpes: and so everyone quakes in their boots and lines up to pay or report their neighbors or whatever it is that they want today
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: this torture won't be performed by the usg, but regular ol' bandits.
ben_vulpes: by the time that happens, the two'll be indistinguishable.
decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68348 @ 0.0005266 = 35.9921 BTC [-]
decimation: look at the report released by the senate on the torture of terrorists
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:23:08; BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time
kakobrekla: wait i thought drugs were suppose to make one feel better, not worse?
danielpbarron: i guess bingo has different genetics or something, but for me the vomiting is short lasting and not the focus of the experience
danielpbarron: not that i recommend abusing otc cough suppressants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0005266 = 11.9644 BTC [-]
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node syncs without burping since sundown last night, and presently, 280480+
ascii_field: approx same speed as when i sync from own lan
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:48:08; decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
ascii_field: (ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!)
mircea_popescu: the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world.
decimation: note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board
decimation: in case you forget who calls the shots
decimation: at least, with respect to the project of making the president appear in charge
ascii_field: 'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.'
decimation: ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles
shinohai: true. I found a pogo on craigslist *with* a HDD
ascii_field: speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even
jurov: anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe?
☟︎ ascii_field: jurov: i gave a few to davout, ask him if he'll part with one or two
shinohai: I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt
shinohai: I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 19:36:33; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.
shinohai: I had tried to do that with DD-WRT xD
shinohai: just no place to store teh blockchain on my router
ascii_field: shinohai: trick was that you need a 'nas' box, not router
shinohai: I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic
ascii_field: shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina
shinohai: I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage.
shinohai: So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them
shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
☟︎ ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.
☟︎ shinohai: I dunno, BingoBoingo brought it up and I started playing with it.
shinohai: Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken
ascii_field: the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction.
shinohai: I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D
trinque: ascii_field: what a hilariously inept crooked bastard.
ascii_field: force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place'
ascii_field: the annointed 'plum book' folks can take bribe, extort, to their heart's delight
ascii_field: so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy
mod6: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator
☟︎ mod6: yeah? i used -addnode
ascii_field: mod6: if so, you're almost certainly pulling from some random schmuck
ascii_field: (one of my planned but yet-unwritten patches is a mechanism for fine-grained sync control)
ascii_field: presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut'
mod6: you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode.
mod6: anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :]
ascii_field: the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible
ascii_field: '-connect' enables syncing from ~precisely one~ ip
ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water)
☟︎ trinque: the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing
ascii_field: trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds)
trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there
☟︎ trinque: I haven't written c++ in about 8 years
trinque: wanna start getting my hands dirty
ascii_field: trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway
☟︎ mod6: ascii_field: ok, all set. running & sync'ing actively with: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=W.X.Y.Z -connect=M.P.I.P &
trinque: I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with
mod6: i need to get MY pogo going! lol. it's just been sitting here in a box.
trinque: yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand
mod6: haven't had a chance to play iwth it yet.
trinque: gonna have to wireshark it up and figure out what IP it had, lol
trinque: rather, which it wants to give the boot console to
ascii_field: and who knew of it, to send the turds to ?
mod6: sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr <BTC_ADDRESS> and then spit back info, or for %block or %tx
ascii_field: kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession
trinque: mod6: seems like that'd be cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132200 @ 0.00047988 = 63.4401 BTC [-] {4}
btcbot: [ %d | %diff ] [ %tx <id> ] [ %bal <address> ] [ %m | %mined ] [ %b <height> | %block <height> ] [ %lb ] [ %tslb ] [ %h | %help ]
mod6: %bal 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE
btcbot: [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE Balance: 400.00101 Total Received: 400.00101 Number TXs: 4
mod6: it talks to btc.blockr.io and parses some JSON
btcbot: [BTC Diff] Current Diff: 49402014931.23 Est. Next Diff: 48635521157.02 in 1380 blocks (#364896) Est. % Change: -1.55
ascii_field: so essentially same thing as a 'blockchain.info' link, l0l
mod6: yeah, except that doesn't tell you anything unless you click through it
mod6: %bal 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
btcbot: [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0
mod6: somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that
mod6: aight might have to iron out some kinks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00050079 = 21.1083 BTC [+]
ascii_field: ;;later tell mats wonder if anybody's tried it under hard vacuum
punkman: ;;balance 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
jurov: i doubt, laser would generate plenty if gas... more like in inert atmosphere
ascii_field: whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas
ascii_field: in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate
mod6: ah, punkman thanks lol.
mod6: i didn't know it did that for some reason
mats: azonenberg is p cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00049687 = 25.5888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049893 = 6.6108 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051904 = 23.4606 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: ascii_field: makes a guy want to take up amateur submarining
mod6: well, maybe it doesn't make sense to do that if gribble does stuff.
mod6: oh but yah, im sync'in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00051905 = 29.8713 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad.
trinque: intel made his apparatus for him, iirc
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 00:17:31; phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago
mircea_popescu: phf you know minigame's looking for someone who can compile of apple so ben_vulpes can play.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know
ascii_field: more of a zoo. 'zebra died, we need a zebra'
mircea_popescu: dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died.
mircea_popescu: reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability.
trinque: ascii_field: ah thanks; this old performa's CRT has been giving me hives
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there
ascii_field: it isn't esp. hard, and would be tremendously useful
ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
☟︎☟︎☟︎ assbot: the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... (
http://bit.ly/1KvORjv )
ascii_field: ^ anybody else regard this situation as shitgnomiferous ?
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.
kakobrekla: >Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]".
trinque: ascii_field: testing tooling is probably a fine place to start for me; I'll look into gcov this weekend.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
lobbes: Hmm, my first guess is that it is a character limit set somewhere, though I'm just pulling that out of my ass
lobbes: thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it
shinohai: heh ascii_field 'tis difficult to buy BTC here for real. CoinBase has shuttered me twice.
ascii_field: (laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit)
ascii_field: (world's most reliable btc-selling phriendz could not help you if you haven't with what to buy it...)
shinohai: I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank
shinohai: but meh, i hated coinbase anyway
kakobrekla: for sending to a gambling site < here you can use this currency that you can freely use as long as you dont use it freely
decimation: shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet?
shinohai: yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down
shinohai: Buying BTC is a "suspicious activity"
ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ?
☟︎ shinohai: yeah, i no longer have a BoA account
trinque: BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account
trinque: then charges you overdraft fees
ascii_field: my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now
decimation: see, this is why usg doesn't need to actually 'make law'
decimation: it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go
ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time
☟︎ decimation: it was the 'beneficiary' of many of the the 2008 'bad loans'
ascii_field: (and yes, famously, he eventually had a bell installed)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00052058 = 19.0272 BTC [+] {4}
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ascii_field: ^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago
ascii_field: 'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.'
ascii_field: 'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.'
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.
trinque: did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened
ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'
☟︎ trinque: that one's on the disappointments page for the world's manual
ascii_field: aha, and nobody mentioned it, nor did 'google' ever turn it up
ascii_field: had to stumble across it while pursuing an entirely unrelated matter
decimation: ascii_field: this must be a glibc vs gcc conflict?
decimation: after all, there can be only one /usr/include
ascii_field doesn't know, and, at this point, doesn't much care
ascii_field: drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe
trinque: and bezzlization burned down all alternative worlds
decimation: the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl}
ascii_field: 'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by
ascii_field: pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.'
ascii_field: the whole thing just desperately needs to die
decimation: what I find amusing is that gcc comes with system include files, but 'also depends' on glibc
ascii_field: 'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race
ascii_field: conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.'
ascii_field: (apparently 'ewontfix' is involved with 'musl')
ascii_field: 'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102930 @ 0.00053093 = 54.6486 BTC [+]
ascii_field: 'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl;
ascii_field: however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.'
phf: maze of twisty little passages, all alike
☟︎ decimation: well, nothing involving C++ is fire-and-forget
decimation: did you see that 'were gonna increment C++99 to C+14!!!!'
phf: mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac
☟︎ decimation: ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols"
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:03:15; ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:33:59; ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!
shinohai: you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind
ascii_field: weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way
ascii_field: that is, by removing the retardation which made them appear necessary
ascii_field: there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet'
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 02:03:20; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+
kakobrekla: well that one goes all the way back to satoshi.
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. that sounds like a properly connected node ove ran actually functioning link for cryssakes.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks
mircea_popescu: what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work
mircea_popescu: while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display.
ascii_field: hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority
mircea_popescu: you're comparing britni with random ho waiting tables.
mircea_popescu: give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0004935 = 19.2712 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
decimation: no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb'
decimation: to accomplish a similiar level of background
decimation: to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself
decimation: my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people'
mircea_popescu: well your last point may well stand on its own. we really know precious little about radio-bio interaction.
decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 22:51:50; williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?
decimation: danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist?
decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
☟︎ trinque: 16,832 of 20,000 according to the site
trinque: ^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community
danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry
☟︎☟︎ decimation: well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists
danielpbarron: euphemism* \\ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign
danielpbarron: they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is
decimation: lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power
danielpbarron: with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems
trinque: danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female\
☟︎ trinque: I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on
trinque: in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it"
danielpbarron: it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship
trinque: framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is
decimation: emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them?
decimation: aka 'hazing', nearly all institutions have some form
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already
danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures
☟︎ cazalla: BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate
trinque: danielpbarron: mean bible guy lol
trinque: least you actually read the book
danielpbarron: it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama
shinohai: Aren't you a Xtian danielpbarron ?
shinohai: I thought I noticed something about it on your site.
shinohai: I tend to avoid religious materials.
danielpbarron: as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year
danielpbarron: and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker)
trinque: I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy.
danielpbarron: last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others)
trinque: so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you
trinque: might've been something like what the USA was back when
danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery
☟︎ trinque: danielpbarron: I've heard so called libertarians derp on about "libertarian socialism"
decimation: yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations
trinque: decimation: socialism plus weed!
decimation: note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed
mats: how many asians you got walking around porcfest dpb
danielpbarron: one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian
mats: maybe ill go next year
mats: i try not to stand out too much
danielpbarron: and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night
danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
☟︎ mats: how would these people know what that is
danielpbarron: many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross
mats: i have had a tricky time broaching the subject
mats: first impression goes well, second time around its like...
mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly
☟︎ shinohai: I like wot. it requires discipline.
mats: bitcoin is stupid, man, it was at 1200 and now its at 250
danielpbarron: if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place
danielpbarron: people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing
danielpbarron: even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it
mats: invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists
danielpbarron: that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either
danielpbarron: i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast
mats: well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents
danielpbarron: one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt
mats: being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing
☟︎ danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust
https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use
https here!" or something like that
☟︎ mats: we're all on the same page here, but telling people
https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful
mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers
☟︎ mats: things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks
trinque: sure, from the mitm perspective
trinque: they're still probably working on an utterly infested device
trinque: mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of
https trinque: rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS
danielpbarron: mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me
trinque: danielpbarron: was it this guy?
danielpbarron: no he had more of the meth addict look going for him
trinque: somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years
shinohai: that blkcut utility is bitchin'
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, I see your point
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:18:16; mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
trinque: asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry