mats: do they even generate revenue?
decimation: asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request?
mircea_popescu: neighbour got food delivered, entire hallway smells like wet dogs now.
mircea_popescu: two days ago, i got them up because it smelled like a gas leak. turns out... they had takeout.
decimation: I can see a definite use case for people who just want a simple keyserver for themselves, but don't want to join the worldwide gpg mob
decimation: I suspect the gpg mafia has a political stand on that point
trinque: hanbot: needs the text only url
trinque: also PSA, deedbot- voices himself now
trinque: hanbot: does it have the key that signed that yet?
trinque: keys are added the same way
hanbot: i registered last month iirc
trinque: the particular key signing that doc needs to be added to deedbot by a WoT member
decimation: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the sks servers aggressively share keys
mircea_popescu: decimation right. except "tech" is currently predicated on "google makes money".
trinque: mircea_popescu: gpg barfs if I try verifying that by hand
mircea_popescu: how, pray tell ? and what exactly is the only hope of revenue for fb, twitter and the whole rest of em ?
hanbot: thanks trinque. i'm prolly stupiding somewhere, lookin'.
trinque: could be you, could be me; we'll find out eh?
mircea_popescu: not that many houses one block away from the topological city centre
trinque: meanwhile the old one verifies by hand
mircea_popescu: hanbot "Bets resolved from earlier placing periods: 1123, 1108, 1119, 803 " wtf is shit doing past the sig
trinque: doesn't verify with that bit removed either
mircea_popescu: Q4 2014 accounting for approximately $14.2 billion and Q3 2014 accounting for approximately $12.2 billion.
mircea_popescu: Revenues for the full year of 2014 increased 16% over 2013.
hanbot: yeh i've crufted it up. to be continued.
mircea_popescu: anyway, more on point : i'm cooking up the advertising plan for eulora since it's about to come out. i intend to run it basically on a charitable basis, run ads on linux-dedicated stuffs that seem reasonable. if any of you got a place that fits feel free to send me a note.
hanbot: there we go. thanks all!
mircea_popescu: because why ? because fuckall, "algorithm" consists of (set facebook, wikipedia, ebay on top).
mircea_popescu: FIVE forums with exactly 0 relevancy of any kind, spammed into index.
mircea_popescu: if they pick results by hand they get results picked by hand. if they try to "algorithm" they get OWNED by the seo spammers.
trinque: probably tuned by traffic numbers slurped from google analytics too
trinque: which more or less seems like google == reddit at that point
felipelalli: what should be the first result in this case in your opinion?
mircea_popescu: felipelalli in any case no dubious forum with 5k posts eh ?
mircea_popescu: whatever they're called, point-something or the other.
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hanbot: mircea_popescu artgorithm imitates life, go out and search for a "pizza", how many hits til you get something edible?
hanbot: if "cat litter" = that which a cat would piss on before eating, most?
decimation: how is the ad industry not a giant leech on the productive, like lawyers?
mircea_popescu: everyone else just contributes to costs! the ad industry contributes to revenue!!11
decimation: It would be interesting to see an index which divides the us gdp by the aggregate spending on lawyers, marketing, and accountancy
decimation: or rather than gdp, total corporate revenue
decimation: asciilifeform: highly likely to be scavanged and sold to the collector's market for parts
decimation: although I suspect the japanese version of the market is different than the us one...
decimation: apparently the us collectors go adventuring in various backward islands in oceania where planes were crashed/buried/etc
decimation: it's big business to sell the parts to folks who want to 'restore' old aircraft
decimation: I would like to see a collection of working german and russian aircraft
decimation: the only decent display I've seen is the smithsonian at dulles
decimation: yeah I recently visited a workshop where they rebuild wwii aircraft
decimation: they admitted that they are around 40% 'original'
decimation: most of the parts are replicas hand-built to fit
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decimation: I don't get why argentinians give a fuck about falklands
decimation: yeah, it's always good democratic politics to get people to hate 'the other'
decimation: actually the uk would probably be pissed if russia exports the latest tech there
decimation: add professional 'protestors' as another side-effect of social democracy
decimation: hey, the us was official neutral in the uk-ar war
decimation: yes, this led to amusing stunts on behalf the brits, since they barely had an air force/navy/army on their own
decimation: asciilifeform: in the context of the time, the us was probably worried about strengthening the cause of pro-soviet 'rebels' in south america
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that "largest deposit" thing, ie vaca muerta, is as best i can determine a massive government-sponsored scam.
mircea_popescu: "we're gonna pretend like we got oil because it's the next best thing to actually going to work"
mircea_popescu: re that 3,658 views youtube : them riots aren't as notable as a minor football game.
bmarch: hello, how is everyone?
mircea_popescu: for the record the british vulcan is one of the shittiest bombers in history.
mircea_popescu: when's the last time the bulk of the news about a major find consists of various scams ?
mircea_popescu: before shitheadism/peronism/populism, argentina was a major world power.
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pete_dushenski: maybe a better suggestion than the one above will materialise in my dreams. off to find out!
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davout: 60 year-old ugly dude seduced women over the internet using fake profile pictures, has sex with lots of them by inviting them to get laid in the dark while blindfolded
davout: you can't invent that shit
punkman: davout, is that his pickup-artistry book?
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davout: "fairness, invented during the french revolution"
davout: mircea_popescu: how is it not?
mircea_popescu: animals fuck, that doesn't mean animals display "the human notion of love". they display the animal notion of love.
mircea_popescu: no matter what happens, it's still not going to be relevant to the human behaviour.
mircea_popescu: yes, i understand that cunts run perl and people on the internet posing as scientists with their "experiment" consisting of a two monkey show use cunts for brains
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, regexp is not the basis for research, or knowledge.
davout: animals can not display "the human notion of X", by definition
davout: maybe fairness is meant in a broader sense than "the human notion of fairness"
mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as a "animal fairness" is not in common use, calling that fairness is really not unlike calling the guy cunthead.
davout: or as in "fairness as we thought was unique to humans"
mircea_popescu: if it is, it's his job to explain it. not unnamed "philosophers'"
mircea_popescu: yeah. we also thought the color red was unique to staplers, perhaps.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, envy is what's at work there, not "fairness".
mircea_popescu: the animal doesn't go "you know bob, this is un-sjw!!1". it goes "fuck you bitch!"
davout: how'd you know it doesn't go "you know bob, this is un-sjw!!1, also fuck you bitch!"
mircea_popescu: for all you know snakes are wise and the world rests on turtles.
mircea_popescu: how do you know god didn't mean for you to be a woman ?
davout: i'd tend to think that if this was envy, the first monkey would eat the cucumber, and then express some sort of anger at the experimenter, but yeah, what do i know, i'm not a monkey, at least, most of the time
mircea_popescu: maybe eating the lesser food is how they enact group hierarchy
mircea_popescu: and the monkey is going "fuck you bitch" quite literally at the experimenter, whom it (wrongly) perceives as a monkey of the same age and sex.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: maybe you know, random idiots who failed in academia and took to the internet with their dog and pony "scientific" show did this FOR A REASON,
mircea_popescu: and that reason being that when you're stupid, you really need an audience that doesn't know better.
mircea_popescu: then you can talk to it about "anthropologists" and not name any.
mircea_popescu: i know when russel told me that fairness was invented during the crusades, i fucking quoted him by the name on my blog.
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mike_c: "it looks like Goldman Sachs wants to get in on the ground floor."
mike_c: i guess they haven't read mp's "you're too late" post
mircea_popescu: iirc the pr bit specifically disclaimed any gs investment in bitcoin
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pete_dushenski: "As the only woman likely to run for president as a Republican, Carly Fiorina, who officially announced her candidacy Monday, is the GOP’s counterweight to Hillary Clinton." << o hey look what the dead dog of silicon valley dragged in.
pete_dushenski: somehow carla didn't end up mentioned in this article 2014/12/17/a-swimming-pool-of-idle-tears-wont-spare-the-affirmative-action-fallguy-shes-still-the-canary/ but she was definitely in mind when writing it.
pete_dushenski: hell, come to think of it, she inspired the whole damned piece.
assbot: A swimming pool of idle tears won’t spare the affirmative action fallguy. She’s still the canary. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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pete_dushenski: this exact same fembot v. fembot routine played out in alberta over the last 3 years.
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pete_dushenski: of course, neither fembot made it to this upcoming election, which just so happens to be tomorrow.
pete_dushenski: both were sacrificial lambs to appease sjwesque monkeys, and are now but dust.
pete_dushenski: or the woman that was thrown in the fire when it was clear that the building was going down and the firefighters were no longer of any use
pete_dushenski: "Police in Texas killed two men who opened fire on a security officer outside a contest to draw cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, the Associated Press reported." << hahaha a muhammad drawing *contest* !! you just know that's going to lead to fireworks.
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mircea_popescu: nah, not at all. she got hired as a great brilliant mind, came up with her brilliant great plan, some men grumbled but w/e, woman haters. it got implemented, it was a disaster, she was canned.
mircea_popescu: that she's even got the nerve to set foot outof the house is very reminiscent of that horvath character.
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mircea_popescu: in "the glory of linux", chapter eleventy billion : find . -size 1258 finds nothing. find . -size 1267 finds nothing. find . -size -64 finds all the 1258 and 1267 byte files the previous two didn't find.
mircea_popescu: because not only is 1258 not equal to 1258, it is also smaller than 64.
mircea_popescu: (you hafta add c after the number if you mean bytes. because that's logically neither the default nor is anything wrong with ignoring b silently)
pete_dushenski: "Avoiding that one hundred kilo iron lump in the front of the car makes it so much easier to build safe cars." << yes, because road-going zeppelins are the pinnacle of automotive safety. lol.
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mircea_popescu: "We asked if the constant sound of the engine -that frankly disturbed us from being able to listen to the radio- could be turned off. But it couldn’t. Very distracting."
mircea_popescu: " How much does it cost to fill up at home," << are these people fucking retarded ?
mircea_popescu: not like it's free at home. a liter of gasoline = a dollar = 3kWatt-hours = a dollar or w/e
mircea_popescu: "It is still unhealthy to breathe in – and smells very bad!" dude srsly, sweden is on euro 4. you can't even tell it exhausts something.
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funkenstein_: mircea_popescu: no matter what happens, it's still not going to be relevant to the human behaviour. <-- I may not be a monkey but I am a primate
funkenstein_: anyway how are things asseteers? sorry i've been out of touch, a lot of logs to go through ;)
mircea_popescu: you will have to bear in mind that all hominid species other than us are extinct. this isn't some sort of direct lineage, as the layman often imagines.
mircea_popescu: monkeys are our (rather distant) cousins, not our uncles or something.
funkenstein_: it's a good point, all species have evolved the same amount of time
funkenstein_: yet we are both frugivores who highly value sexuality beyond reproduction
mircea_popescu: it's unclear we're "frugivores". humans altogether seem carnivores.
funkenstein_: without meat, we just live longer with fewer diseases
funkenstein_: but lets not go down that route, we eat what we can and what we please and enjoy it :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the 10mn years thing : the oldest split that created the rat (murines) as different from other rodents is about 13mn years ago.
funkenstein_: wow, that is not that long ago. crocodiles didn't change much over that time.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: same is true of humans, and like in the case of those rats (and most other mammals), the alternatives are extinct
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ that's kind-oif the point here. all sorts of fraud available to people trying to push pseudo-anthropology agendas. like for instance people don't readily understand just how huge the genetic and paleohistoric gap between us and chimps is.
funkenstein_: it's hard to tell how rapidly we are changing in this context as well
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ for the record, no fruit was part of the human diet for the longest time (until the persians actually invented fruit - which is exactly what they did)
mircea_popescu: just like maize was not part of the diet until the aztecs invented it.
mircea_popescu: no, because you can get vitamin c out of all sorts of other sources.
mircea_popescu: the problem with sailing was that they had no fresh stuff
mircea_popescu: if you think about it - they could have used say dried figs, if it was ~fruitness~ specifically.
mircea_popescu: but this aside, yes scurvy - and to a much larger degree pellagra - were endemic and major qol reducers up until very recently. one of the many "blessings" of agrarian settlement.
mircea_popescu: they couldn't really tell, between bubonic plague and malaria and everything else the "better" social arrangements blessed them with.
mircea_popescu: "Bob: Don't worry, we factored that into our budget after they upped Avagadro's number in China last year."
mircea_popescu: well if you intend to it can go into the list. but do you ?
danielpbarron: funkenstein_, "why not place the Earth at the exact center of a set of large mechanical spheres with seem to move at arbitrary unexplained speeds?" spheres which* seem
mircea_popescu: but the idea that any fiat-oriented economics is essentially studying fart flow is sound, and yes it's all a matter of diffusion.
mats: 12:58:25 <+funkenstein_> in more current news, a small scoop offering ... << "ren ming bi" == "renminbi"
mircea_popescu: certainly your model is a lot better than anything keynes spit out, or hence.
mircea_popescu: hopefully i get to drink champagne off a chick's tits at the ceremony where an 80yo gets a major prize for this advance.
mats: additionally, the yuan is the unit, and renminbi is the currency, so it would not be correct to use that construction "every dollar, every renminbi, ..."
mircea_popescu: "Il a été mis en examen pour «viol par surprise» en mars dernier."
davout: "monkeys are our (rather distant) cousins, not our uncles or something." <<< "l'homme descend du singe, sauf pour certains, qui y remontent"
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's really about as nonsensical as "carbon causes global warming". men and apes have a common ancestor is all.
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, nothing in that piece makes me think this is anything but a very sad drama, of an old man who is being rejected merely for being old, and is forced to live in a society where random woman (who is no spring chicken either, "une trentaine my foot") can send him to prison arbitrarily.
mircea_popescu: how about she is affixed to a whipping post in front of the town church for two weeks, for being a disgusting nag and a total stereotypist ?
funkenstein_: the guy would have done better using the money for legal fees at the local puterie
funkenstein_: but some people either think deception is part and parcel of courtship, or perhaps just get off on it.
funkenstein_: anyway, i don't think they will be able to make lying about your age a violation.
pete_dushenski: "Lets consider two extreme" << ok, now it's just a stylistic thing.
funkenstein_: the base fact that words were being strung together to convey meaning had somehow escaped me
funkenstein_: now I am trying to catch up, but it seems the form itself is still somewhat fluid
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: well, as fluid as the author in any event.
pete_dushenski: that's what a blog is, really, an expression of one's ability to swish and swirl one's energies into new spaces.
kakobrekla: anyway i fixed the twitter parser - its not working now. all back to normal.
trinque: seems when the US disintegrates it'll be chinese totalitarianism the world has to endure next
pete_dushenski: chicom thing's not a wot, no, but rather a bizarre quantification of fleisch
pete_dushenski: but how else do you manage a billion plus without reducing them to ones and zeroes ?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: "“More transactions means more bandwidth and CPU and storage cost, and more cost means increased centralization because fewer people will be able to afford that cost.” << isn't the rebuttal to that on your blog?
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> anyway, i don't think they will be able to make lying about your age a violation. << should be funny if they do... fill the jail up with 29 yo women.
trinque: pete_dushenski: I don't know that you manage them doing this either
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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mircea_popescu: jurov you know, i don't read the current propaganda either.
trinque: Without such a mechanism doing business in China is risky, she stresses, as about half of the signed contracts are not kept. 'Especially given the speed of the digital economy it is crucial that people can quickly verify each other's creditworthiness.' << wearing a deer-skin and calling yourself bambi
trinque: there needs to be a term for that
trinque: where the lie's the inversion of the truth
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> anyway i fixed the twitter parser - its not working now. all back to normal. << win
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'teaching the controversy' is a variant thereof
mircea_popescu: <trinque> seems when the US disintegrates it'll be chinese totalitarianism the world has to endure next << the price for vanity is rape. that's what the derps in the sec thinking they;re above doing what i tell you to do are doing toi themselves ; that's what the derps thinking theyre "vcs" and not humbling coming in here are doing for themselves.
ascii_field: # sks cleandb Fatal error: exception Not_found
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're the worstbest thing that ever happened to ascii_field
ascii_field: as per mircea_popescu's ancient observation, this one's an instance of 'it works on my box'ism
ascii_field: that is, the other folks - who probably all eat lunch together - got sks running
mircea_popescu: no but seroiusly, lemme tell you - he wrote that phuctor thing, it's like 500 lines, and so sanely laid out i could go in there and understand what it does and how to modify it within ~5 minutes.
trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed, seems they will try (and fail) to implement components of the republic in the style of massive government
mircea_popescu: people who have no idea how to code go by the "well it works". this guy actually codes by "well this is how it should go"
mircea_popescu: it's very subtle, the quality, but for this reason valuable. not aggresing sanity and common sense is worth a heck of a lot more than "making it work"
trinque: "look we're going to centralize breathing. breathing is now banned; the central govt will breathe for you"
ascii_field: to be fair, the first time i wrote it, it sucked donkey cock (wrote gcd in python, it was dog-slow and O(n^2) )
pete_dushenski: trinque: seems nuts to us, then again, there's a method to the chinese madness or else they wouldn't have ruled so much of the world for so much of modern history.
mircea_popescu: yes. the method is : people are idiots and if you're going to parent them, you gotta parent them.
trinque: I'll admit I'm about as far removed from being able to understand Chinese culture as possible
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: actually china is a case study in failure to develop (invented, sure, but -develop-) various techs
pete_dushenski: seems the europeans have been far stronger at taking the baton and running with it.
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2014 04:48:55; asciilifeform: of, you could say, insufficiently high temperature in the simulated-annealing sense.
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2014 04:52:44; asciilifeform: rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West', T. E. Huff
ascii_field: that review is a zoological specimen indeed
mircea_popescu: ascii_field my question remains tho. so they fucked up science. indisputable. to whose detriment ?
ascii_field: only by sheer luck, there is still such a thing as chinese
mircea_popescu: only by sheer luck is there such a thing as the us, too.
ascii_field: but, in my analysis, if it weren't for su's heavy diddling, the place would've been carved into manageable bantustans by usa post-war
mircea_popescu: alternatively : cixi's refusal of railroads did have the end effect of no railroads. but also, of silence.
mircea_popescu: suppose chinese monarch had refused... windows. apple. whatever.
ascii_field: forgo railroads - enjoy the silence - until better folks come along and lower your people into untermenschenrasty and build own rails
mircea_popescu: some ills are apparently unavoidable, sure. but the "better folks" got raped meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: well certainly not anymore than japan can afford samurais.
pete_dushenski: so now the chinese are in the position of the europeans 60 years ago.
pete_dushenski: wherein they're overburdened with structural issues but no superior alternative is knocking down their door.
pete_dushenski: so they're at once the "better folks" and the untermenschen.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: this is actually the historic ru model of development, once termed 'colonialism with crown as the sole european'
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it seems altogether probable that's what the chinese communist party envisages as ideal, and acts as if were the case.
mircea_popescu: course the model worked historically about as well as welfarism (aka popular democracy)
ascii_field: goes kinda like this: 'my subjects are rubbish and only fit as cannot fodder or to be worked to death in the mines. possibly after x centuries of this, we can make some better ones.'
ascii_field: this is, in a way, an inescapable professional disease of cultures that 'got' industry in a hurry
mircea_popescu: this is the inescapable human condition : most people are exactly rubbish
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pete_dushenski: which puts the enormity of the chinese quandary in perspective.
ascii_field: how culture answers this realization - determines, largely, whether you get zimbabwe or britain etc
mircea_popescu: the problem, of course, being that with globalization you really can't get options. it'll have to be pret a porter, one thing universally.
trinque: pete_dushenski: probably by reducing them to insecure, servile rubbish
trinque: this scheme of the govt giving you a report card seems intended towards precisely that
mircea_popescu: moreover, didn't japanese employees have to pass physicals at work ?
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:41:36; asciilifeform: even ancient china, apparently, had 'cram schools.' (see miyazaki, 'china's examination hell' - neat little monograph on the subject)
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mircea_popescu: anyway, the general idea of people who did intellectual work with/in china is that the chinese folk, while broadly very servile, are utterly uncreative.
ascii_field: u.s. became the kind of inscrutable and thoroughly-dysfunctional beast we know today partly through the '50-'60s preoccupation with mindgames and 'programmatory' psychochumpatronics, where 'they must not realize they are servile' was the mandatory algo
mircea_popescu: whereas the western folk, while broadly useless, can at least be selected for sanity.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field kinda what makes people unhappy. any slave'll tell you, there's monumental fulfillment in submission.
ascii_field: uncreative << incidentally, it is not necessary to travel to china to witness this. u.s. academia today is solidly confucian (not merely ethnically, this - only in part - but in -operation-)
ascii_field: and virtually every physical sciences whateverthefuck in usa is solidly east asian in staffing
mircea_popescu: confucianism IS very good at a well specified set of tasks.
ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
☟︎ ascii_field: entire departments of u.s. universities have been converted into cn embassies of a kind
ascii_field: where everything is run on their traditional scheme and on their meatwot
mats: discussions on cn in here are always entertaining
ascii_field: where it buys cars, houses, fattens children (raised by grandparents) etc
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ftr, that's pretty much how eastern europe ran throughout the 90s too.
ascii_field: even now (where is the adult male population of latvia, and why ? etc )
mats: mircea_popescu: meh. cn history is inscrutable, even to chinese.
mircea_popescu: fortunately the us is not large enough to retardify china, but i think we're gonna see some pretty spectacular purges down the road.
mats: 14:48:49 <+mircea_popescu> anyway, the general idea of people who did intellectual work with/in china is that the chinese folk, while broadly very servile, are utterly uncreative. << i hear such things repeated all over the english speaking internet... might as well be a meme now
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: afaik adult male latvians are working in germany and britain.
mats: most pre-modern recorded chinese history is exceedingly unreliable
mats: this unreliability is magnified the further back you go
ascii_field: cn never really invented 'history' in the euro sense (of at least attempting de-mythologized recordkeeping)
mircea_popescu: contemporary records are just as unreliable, it's just that meanwhile our friends in the us inhabituated us with this barbarism
mircea_popescu: ascii_field tbh, i suspect the euro notion of truth never really caught on, even in its own colonies.
mircea_popescu: judea bastardized it into some sort of idiotic mysticism, which is really just rehashing their pre-existing idiocies
mircea_popescu: new world did exactly the same thing, dressed its solipsism to look like euro truth. but it's still solipsism
mircea_popescu: to this day the principal value of latin america literature is its patent insanity in this sense.
ascii_field: 'I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, ‘History stopped in 1936’, at which he nodded in immediate understanding. We were both thinking of totalitarianism in general, but more particularly of the Spanish civil war. Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even
ascii_field: the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building
ascii_field: emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’. ' (orwell, 'looking back on the spanish war')
mircea_popescu: i mean think about it, dialectics was a novel device early 1900s, impressive and all.
mircea_popescu: imagine a programming language in which bubblesort was periodically rediscovered with awe.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised at how often this kind of thing -actually- plays out in programmaretarddom
mircea_popescu: much more keenly aware of how retarded engineers are than the contrary.
ascii_field: e.g., java folks 'discovered' garbage collection in mid 90s (after mccarthy invented it in 1960, but this 'does not count' because reasons.)
mircea_popescu: "Blanton, Brad 1996, Radical Honesty: How To Transform Your Life By Telling The Truth"
mircea_popescu: "a novel method to live. not previously described in art."
ascii_field: 'radical nutrition: how to transform your life by not eating shit'
ascii_field: 'novel method of non-coprophagic alimentation'
ascii_field: i will add, for interested readers, that mccarthy's garbage collection (and other items) 'did not count' for the same precise reason why mpex 'does not count' to american muppets, and in general why the annoying kid who 'throws the curve' and sends entire classroom of imbeciles to the bottom of the sea, is decreed to 'not count.'
trinque: no one could possibly have been that far ahead of everyone else
ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impression that they
☟︎ ascii_field: are precisely adopting one of those two options. (Social democracy is a little more advanced: Kill everything outside 2 sigma.)'
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jurov: qntra shares distributed
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funkenstein_: Often the "exploiter" is just a moron that has been given a gun and a uniform.
trinque: you'd have to first have the power to compel the morons to learn
ascii_field: funkenstein_: who holds the rifle during deer season? man or deer? and why
funkenstein_: actually they will not let you wear a police uniform if you score too well on standardized tests
trinque: cop isn't the exploiter in that scenario
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funkenstein_: hmm. . exploitation (n.) 1803, "productive working" of something, a positive word among those who used it first
funkenstein_: Bad sense developed 1830s-50s, in part from influence of French socialist writings (especially Saint Simon), also perhaps influenced by use of the word in U.S. anti-slavery writing;
pete_dushenski: "Canada's Bombardier Inc and Egypt's Orascom Construction and Arab Contractors will build a $1.5 billion monorail near Cairo, Egypt's housing minister said.The 52 kilometre (32 mile) project is set to be completed by mid-2018 with funding from a 14-year loan" << monorail, monorail, MONORAIL!
ascii_field: 7f1d6731d000-7f1d67324000 r--s 00000000 08:14 14287177 /usr/lib64/gconv/gconv-modules.cache
trinque: BingoBoingo: hospital networks are required by law to be secure; I don't see the problem with this
BingoBoingo: trinque: Putting aside the nonsensical "hospital" and "secure", home use of these things isn't uncommon
mats: vulns being released for Hospira equipment due to pending acquisition by Pfizer
☟︎ jurov: PFate: this is just for 30mins, so speak up if you want
PFate: i just got booted from conneciton, not sure i have much to talk about ATM
mod6: ok gotcha. thanks for the heads up.
ascii_field: mod6: now, as far as i can tell, it doesn't jam up the attempted static build
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lobbes got his new 'training laptop' installed with debian over the weekend.
lobbes: Now to change the init to something other than systemd (for reasons I don't fully grok yet, other than it is being pushed pretty aggressively, from what I gather)
lobbes: and the whole 'roll up all the things into one thing'
lobbes: which seems to make sense as against what makes linux strong
lobbes: so far, it feels noticeably faster than the windows 8.1 that came with the machine (toy)
ascii_field: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full Orphanage Thermonuke.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^^^^^
ascii_field: memory footprint climbs very, very slowly. as far as i can tell, thus far, this is 100% due to fragging
ascii_field: 'To honour, while you strike him down, / The foe that comes with fearless eyes; / To count the life of battle good, / And dear the land that gave you birth, / And dearer yet the brotherhood / That binds the brave of all the earth.' (TM) (R)
ascii_field: which one of you folks will be the brave man, who tests this one.
ben_vulpes: field-testing's the easy part (sort of)
ben_vulpes: pulling the pin under fire much less so
ascii_field: testing is just a cheat-heuristic for finding structural problems
ascii_field: note that this one isn't a backport from anyone
ascii_field: incidentally, memory footprint pegs out at ~120M
ascii_field: (why? exercise for the alert reader. if no one gets, i will explain at some point)
mircea_popescu: As of April 30, 2015, the new price for .ws domains has been increased to
ascii_field: again, this is a very preliminary thing. i strongly encourage others to attempt replication.
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 19:47:29; funkenstein_: How about educate the morons?
mircea_popescu: "they're invigorating, to the people who can walk ; selling alcohol helps the echonomy".
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it occurs to me that the word funkenstein_ was looking for, to describe the economy of chumps (whose coin is the bezzlar) would be... echonomy.
mircea_popescu: "All the benefits of loadable modules are available in the GNU C Library implementation. This is especially appealing since the interface is well documented (see below), and it, therefore, is easy to write new conversion modules."
mircea_popescu: anyway, what would it be doing in bitcoin. waiting for when libnss is yanked out, to kick in.
ascii_field: many interesting observations could be written re: the echonomy; taxonomy of chumps (free-range vs corralled, etc.) and the like
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha. the spittoon is brim-full and rancid
mircea_popescu: maybe once we get 100k pounds a year to study our memories of collegiate dentistry.
mircea_popescu: "The drawback of using loadable objects is not a problem in the GNU C Library, at least on ELF systems. Since the library is able to load shared objects even in statically linked binaries, static linking need not be forbidden in case one wants to use iconv."
ascii_field: 'we will slip the cock in with such grease that you will never notice'
ascii_field knew that mircea_popescu's antennae would stand up from reading that thing
mircea_popescu: and all this so that idiots can use their idiot alphabets.
mircea_popescu: fuck you, everyone. 27 letters or go back to your fucking yurt.
mircea_popescu: computers are for humans not for whatever the fuck special needs monkeys use "diacritics"
ascii_field: it is so that idiots can use 1,001 incompatible encodings for their hieroglyphs
ascii_field: (recall 'mule' debacle in emacs ? that almost killed it as a living project ?)
ascii_field: the real mega-question is why it is in bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 20:41:33; mats: vulns being released for Hospira equipment due to pending acquisition by Pfizer
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 16:45:26; funkenstein_: wow, that is not that long ago. crocodiles didn't change much over that time.
mircea_popescu: mats meh, the entire china pakistan thing seems overstated.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field didja put instrumentation in place to measure speed or bw ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i have a clock on the wall
mircea_popescu: ascii_field would help if you can also measure bw used/block
ascii_field: if any part of the patch does not make immediate sense, ask now - i'm about to get into a wheeled coffin for a few hrs
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is wondering about wasted bw (of which there is megatonnes) ?
mircea_popescu: seems pretty clear. plus as davout would say, it's quicker.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't perceive what the great danger is here.
ascii_field: it raised my suspicions by working 'too well'
ascii_field: a block gets fetched, here, potentially infinitely many times
mats: mircea_popescu: i agree. US strategists, on the other hand, should be concerned
mircea_popescu: which is why the piece howls like so. "india should be concerned about how we pooped our pants"
ascii_field: every time someone spews out a bastard, we end up snarfing preceding blocks
ascii_field: but it really cooks, in terms of apparent performance on the runway
ascii_field: the purpose of this patch, incidentally, was not to cure what ails us, but to make it possible to intelligently study the fragging
mircea_popescu: (there's a passive gossip-y sort of sorting that occurs as time goes by, because new clients join and so the "overall" blockchain is ever more sorted in early blocks as time goes by)
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trinque: "the uber of X" jesus christ
trinque: that's the new "facebook of X"
trinque: "er uh... you know how Uber like, disrupted... something? yeah we want to disrupt too"
trinque: *activate main disrupter array*
trinque: meanwhile somewhere in a dark, dusty WU cubicle, "Sir! You wont believe this but... someone's *disrupting* us!"
jurov: on second thought, the simile is even more funny
jurov: because it means, they are going to recruit gobs of chumps to do their dirty work cheaply
williamdunne: Isn't the 'Uber of' thing about getting your users to supply the infrastructure rather than getting the expensive assets yourself?
mircea_popescu: airbnb is even funnier, the fine for being part of it is what, 4-5k in ny ?
trinque: sure, that's been the whole social web scam since forever
williamdunne: I don't see it as a scam, maybe you can change my mind, but it seems like a pretty efficient way to do things
mircea_popescu: i fail to see the difference between "here's how to cook if you have hardwood floors" and "here's how to make 30 bux (out of which we take half) by taking on 5k liability"
williamdunne: I've not used Uber before, but I have used AirBNB and it was cheaper than a premier Inn but in a really nice house in the centre of London
williamdunne: People said they've enjoyed doing it and earn more than just renting out the room
mircea_popescu: i also had nice experiences with crack whores. still not much of a business model.
williamdunne: Well sure, I wouldn't invest in an AirBNB hotel
williamdunne: Its meant to be renting spare rooms not a dedicated hotel, no?
mircea_popescu: it's not legal to rent rooms in places not deidcated for this purpose.
williamdunne: Since when was anyone here interested in what is legal?
mircea_popescu: mkay. it's nonsensical to rent rooms in places not dedicated for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like impromptu dentistry and hobbist airplane piloting, this.
mircea_popescu: nobody could have foreseen a blow-up, we're success-oriented these days
trinque notes that he can't yet find profit numbers for airbnb
mircea_popescu: trinque from what i hear they're about to get litigated into the ground.
mats: they're not publicly traded
mircea_popescu: unlike musk, they're not actually somebody. hard to put up a fight. even with graham's efforts.
williamdunne: I dunno, maybe I'm missing something but it seems like a pretty solid alternative for short stays. Wouldn't use it for a holiday but, a weekend in a new city? Sure.
williamdunne: Seems like a lot more can go wrong with amateur dentistry than amateur room-renting
williamdunne: Just like amateur-programming, and amateur-boxing rarely result in death
trinque: first guest leaves ass crabs in the bed for the next guest
trinque: right answer is goddamn everyone gets sued, including airbnb
williamdunne: Renter you would hope, for not cleaning the sheets
trinque: so they're going to get dragged into fight after fight, yet they're delegating control over the situation to just about anyone
trinque: so really in intending to minimize their risk they've maximized it
trinque: s/ass crabs/rapist in closet/ or whatever
mats: why would you possibly want to use airbnb
mats: why not just invite a homeless person into my home and let him stay there for a few days
mats: and then move back in
trinque: mats: because wisdom of crowds == disruption
mats: same filthy experience
trinque: and we uh, want to disrupt
mod6: <+ascii_field> [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full Orphanage Thermonuke. << Just saw this on the train & read patch. Great work!
mod6: <+ascii_field> 'we will slip the cock in with such grease that you will never notice' << heheh, yeah pretty much.
trinque: mod6: right, and everyone on both ends of the transaction will ultimately try to blame their reputation system or whatever didn't work
mats: i'd rather be slapped in the face with half a dozen cocks than sleep in a mystery airbnb bed
williamdunne: trinque: Doesn't look like there has been too much going wrong, a few cases of houses being vandalized, or customers being dickholes
trinque: hotels are places which deal with this shit every day
trinque: and are a good hotel to the extent that they do that well
trinque: when I was a teenager I did IT monkey stuff for a Hilton
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and yes i wonder about bw. not such megatonnes. << this was the thought that came to my mind too.
trinque: poor hotel cleaning ladies dealt with actual human shit far more often than I'd have expected
trinque: or god knows what other kinds of mess in the rooms
mod6: so, I have that deb6 aws env still... I used to use MRTG, but now I guess this 'RRD' thing is all the rage. I know for sure that I can test mem on a 1s interval with vmstat and capture that with `script`. I'd really like to compare the network traf of full sync with the patch, and without.
mod6: So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph these things. Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo.
trinque: end-cap on the thread is that this trend of Ubering seems to be about trying to dissolve responsibility
mod6: got an AMI built from stage3 with a new kernel, which promptly kernel panic'd when I used said AMI to provision a new system
mod6: then, I tried the same thing without a new kernel, with the same result. I'm gonna try one more time with kernel and see if I get any different results.
trinque: "We could deploy a carnival so much more quickly if we didn't bother with safety precautions, and instead let each guest assemble his piece of the rides, and signing off that he is personally liable for that part."
mod6: I don't think I will... so not really sure where to go on that. trinque, I think you're gonna have to help me build this thing; if you can.
trinque: mod6: I have my own needs for a nicely scripted gentoo-ec2 deployer
jurov: what kind of panic?
trinque: first thought is whether that's actually an ext4 volume
mod6: (this error is from the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel)
trinque: and you only have the ext3 support turned on
mod6: i don't have evidence to support this claim: i'm very sure everything was setup for ext4
mod6: <+mod6> (this error is from the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel) << no new kernel, no .config
trinque: well what kernel is it though
trinque: you just ran genkernel all ?
mod6: now, the new one I'm trying; that one has a .config -- that's actually the last thing I just did in the steps, config'd the kern, build the kern. now need to make the AMI and try it.
mod6: i didn't do anything special in that case. tbh, didn't know I had to, or even what to do, if anything.
mod6: There was some talk that one wouldn't/shouldn't need to change kernels anyway for AWS.
trinque: depends on whether it's hvm or pvm
mod6: it's all paravirtual
mod6: anyway, i'll give an update in here after this next attempt with a new kernel.
trinque: that would probably be it; you need the xen turds turned on in the kernel in that case
mod6: I know for sure I did that the first time... didn't seem to help. however, the first attempt, I'm not positive that I didn't somehow screw-up the fstab.
mod6: the instructions that you posted were slightly off from what is reality on these environments. (perhaps just a bit old)
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mod6: i.e.: none /syssysfs defaults 0 0
mod6: sysysfs isn't a thing
mod6: it's supposed to be this, I'm pretty sure:
mod6: none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
trinque: yeah probably old; I didn't use a write-up
mod6: no worries, now when I check it with `mount -a`, it all seems happy
mod6: maybe the document just didn't space the /sys & sysfs properly.
mod6: anyway, moving on. I'll get the test in motion for asciilifeform's new patch.
trinque: that error does seem to indicate it trying to mount an ext4 as ext3
mod6: The first attemp's error might have... I only got a glimpse of it once though, it never let me look at the System log again for some dumb reason.
mod6: Anyway, no worries, I was moving fast. Figured I was just stupid.
trinque: cool. dunno when I'll make my auto-deployer thing, but I'll let you know if that materializes
mod6: np. i was more hoping if this 3rd attempt fails, you could watch over my shoulder to make sure I don't make any retarded moves.
trinque: sure, and I have a working kernel config handy if you want that
mod6: that may help too. i'll let you know how it goes. much appreciated.
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jurov: trinque: i'm interested, too. i did it once but did not made a script from it
jurov: unrelated: if any poor soul is trying btrfs, use kernel >=3.19.5 . so far much better
trinque: how stable is that these days?
trinque: wiki says "under heavy development"
jurov: disk format is stable. runtime not there yet
jurov: i expounded on that yest
jurov: could be very useful to roll back corrupted bitcoin database.. if i had snapshotting set up
trinque: seems nice for servers in general too, bad deploy, go back to previous snapshot
jurov: *if* you have spare disk space. otherwise, watch out
mircea_popescu: <mats> why would you possibly want to use airbnb << it's really a sort of swinger's club for people that are not really into swinging.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne << wikipedia may not be the best source of information