assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct...
mircea_popescu: because yes, we're fucktarded enough to not notice what's proposed here is a closed f2pool - antpool loop. they're over there in their own parallel universe.
mircea_popescu: i dunno when it became fashionable to be infantile, but i'm getting pretty sick of it.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 17:23:18; trinque: yeah, I'm being hyperbolic
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:49:35; shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD
mircea_popescu: "Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining had explicitly indicated that they would enforce the BIP66 rules. By not doing so, several large miners have lost over $50,000 dollars worth of mining income so far."
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the inept spin they published, why the fuck are we pricing things in dollars.
shinohai: I finally got it set up correctly this evening, it pays to look at things when you aren't fantastically drunk
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:56:42; trinque: could refine that to "and then presents me a buffer of the diff"
shinohai: >mfw I see a guy named "popescu" on the fbi wanted list.
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:45:53; pete_dushenski: punkman: ah yes, how farmers don't own the tools of their trade. sad story, that.
mircea_popescu: these idiots gave it all back because they gotta be jwz.
mircea_popescu: no place on earth was ever such an openm insult to the human spirit as north america is these days.
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:48:44; decimation: actually I would pay good money for a robot that could wonder through a yard and pull weeds
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:57:51; ascii_field: this is amply described in the literature
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:58:57; trinque: pete_dushenski: I had this notion regarding the bums all over portland, that someone should take them to nearby farms for day labor in exchange for meals, showers, and somewhere to be warehoused at night.
mircea_popescu: this horrible trampling of rightrs and liberties resulted in a romania with absolutely no bums, and moreover, in the anedcodtic situation where i picked up a cab from the train station
mircea_popescu: and the cab driver was looking at this bum laying down
mircea_popescu: and he told me that he was an orphan, and that he got put by the commieus through the above grinder, and now he has a family and owns his car.
mircea_popescu: and i agree it's a pity nobody cares enough to beat up that bum.
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:00:02; pete_dushenski: ascii_field: you buying a case of z80s or pogos is reallocating capital
mircea_popescu: even not counting the nsa etc ; pogo is a capital good.
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:04:12; funkenstein_: only in so much as farmers and homeowners accept their counterfeits
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem you're not going to redefine terms of art now, are you ?
mircea_popescu: as much as running your own server is controlling a capital good. not a very significant one, but that's a quantitative discussion
mircea_popescu: arguably intelligence is similarly of a capital good, and you have enough control of it to, for instance, contribute here. other people do not have this luxury - for instance because they agreed some employer owns it all.
ascii_modem: sorta like gravity. yes, sufficiently far from solar system, anyone can become a 'stellar body' if you shove him out airlock
mircea_popescu: what's this "quantity is the determinator of quality" approach then ?
ascii_modem: original thread was re 'who is wageslave and who - capitalist'
mircea_popescu: see ag3nt_zero, syllogism. reductio ad absurdum. present the op with a dilemma, so he can either explain what was misunderstood or correct what he misunderstood
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:06:43; mats: BingoBoingo: 'There's no regulation', '... and it's really difficult to believe that the girls who were crying when they're being "raped" are always acting and performing'
ascii_modem: pogo & the other junk is in different category than 'capital proper' in my mind because none of this stuff 'pays for itself'
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:14:11; ascii_field: what family i've left is in it too
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:25:12; pete_dushenski: public health inspector :)
ascii_modem: for those who don't know - mircea_popescu contributed the bix phuctor runs on
ascii_modem: rather, running on battery like other things
mircea_popescu: take the other side. i approved expenditure of ~7.5 btc on advertising as ceo of s.mg ; and of ~.25 (unreported, maybe next month i remember to put it in) on s.nsa.
mircea_popescu: the roi for the first was 0, the roi for the 2nd not 0.
ascii_modem: in other nyuz, i'm sitting under the megaphallus in washington, and blinking eye of sauron
ascii_modem: traditional holiday here. and there is a spybot in the cloud. which is lulzy because there is a huge sign, 'no smoking'-style, with crossed-out chopper
ascii_modem: pet saw it too, after i pointed where to look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.0005477 = 15.1165 BTC [+] {2}
mats: contemplating hiring someone to work on it but it appears dignork has made much progress
mircea_popescu: eh, these hirign someone to work on things deals never work out.
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:43:30; funkenstein_: "southern pride" spamming qntra in an effort to discredit the site methinks
mats: i'd ordinarily do all the work myself but carpal tunnel is a srs rate limiter
ascii_modem: if kbd is your bottleneck, yerdoingitwrong
punkman: all that scrolling takes a toll
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185658 << this is not merely a difference of workflow, but a difference of philosophy. we are not interested in automation, we are interested in review and responsibility. the only concern that thing is adressing is that we find a critical bug tomorrow, i want to know who to negrate.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:51:29; phf: mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows
ascii_modem: if you have megatonne of code, yerdoingitwrong
punkman: I've never even learned to touchtype properly
mircea_popescu: this follows in the wake of a few threads mostly brought to a head by the opnessl idiocies you might wish to review phf if you've not seen them before.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem harem, actually. "if you have a ton of babes, doing it wrong"
punkman: ascii_modem, oh good, thought it was just me
mircea_popescu: touch typing is good if you're going to do straight typing for mintues at a time. i normally do not. i suppose you do not either, need a mouse, a this, a buffer, a that etc.
mircea_popescu: most of the benefit of touch typing comes from not moving your "frame" above the kbd.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem that's how i end up with stuff like ;; and xse in my history file :D
williamdunne: The main issue I have with touch typing is occasionally my fingers landing in the wrong order or similar derpery
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:01:45; jurov: i have nothing against publishing the mailbox
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:06:15; ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd
williamdunne: The blocksizes at 1mb require broken mining, but bigger blocks will do... something
trinque: punkman: probably a good format to annotate bitcoind
punkman: if anyone wants to crank some js
punkman: god there's a lot of these
assbot: thats_bone comments on Fifteen of the world's largest banks are under investigation on suspicion of rigging the Brazilian currency, antitrust watchdog Cade said on Thursday, the first such probe in one of the busiest foreign exchange markets globally. ... (
http://bit.ly/1JFYYSK )
williamdunne: >I think the punishment for trading currencies should include execution in certain cases.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00054197 = 3.6041 BTC [-]
assbot: sovereign_citizen comments on Fifteen of the world's largest banks are under investigation on suspicion of rigging the Brazilian currency, antitrust watchdog Cade said on Thursday, the first such probe in one of the busiest foreign exchange markets globally. ... (
http://bit.ly/1JFZDUn )
williamdunne: >Remember the Libor scandal and interest fixing cartel?
williamdunne: >That was massive and NO ONE WENT TO JAIL. No one will go to jail for this either unless there is massive protesting. I would like to see people attack bankers with as much fervor as they attack ISIS. Bankers are literally worse than ISIS.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3587 @ 0.00054771 = 1.9646 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct...
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:44:07; decimation: knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 20:48:14; danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186129 << a tape recorder is the one thing I forgot to bring (I had specifically prepared one for the event but forgot to pack it) -- the mere act of having such a device around free-staters would probably trigger them into a rage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00054793 = 9.0408 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 21:00:18; mircea_popescu: here's what's the idea : after botching the soft fork, it seems illogical that the entire bip system should continue at all.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:40:26; mircea_popescu: until we know exactly wtf to do about relayers, about miners now, there is no point. the prototype's still prototypin'.
decimation: on the other hand, the shitgnomes are doing a great job at discrediting themselves
decimation: he doesn't advertise it as complete or fully functional yet
Vexual: ascii_modem might like a voice
mircea_popescu: decimation the lib in question was discussed in log at the time too
Vexual: perhaps it's just a succession of tunnels
mircea_popescu: it's the result of a for-profit venture of some sort, gmaxwell went on a reddit rampage explaining hopw they "found bugs" and how great the entire process is etc
mircea_popescu: it wasn't that great or anything, but it doesn't have much competition either.
mircea_popescu: obv bitcoin can't continue pulling in random code. this is an assault on sense, as far as we're concerned, and an assault on their turf as they perceive it, as far as the pr group is concerned.
decimation: now, as I pointed out with midnightmagic, it strikes me as backwards to develop a replacement before describing a spec
mircea_popescu: more importantly there's doubts as to the suitability of the curve in question etc
decimation: well, yeah that's a matter for a mathematiciansssss5
Vexual: greeks can't count to ballotppaper
ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: if could switch ecdsa curves, could as well have rsa!
mircea_popescu: you'd have to pick something for your ada port. and there's not atm any way to pick.
decimation: yeah it seems like we are stuck with secp256k1 anyway
mircea_popescu: imagine, forty years later, still stands. what else in computin ?
Vexual: i must admit, the soothsayer in me saw an error when bfl hit 2 in a row
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20513 @ 0.00054171 = 11.1121 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00054819 = 14.0337 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00054157 = 2.8432 BTC [-]
cazalla: Vexual, having some whiskey on a sunday eh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00054833 = 10.665 BTC [+]
Vexual: hey, if you can't fix it with whisky and a hammer, its broken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4429 @ 0.00054157 = 2.3986 BTC [-]
Vexual: you resited temptation?
cazalla: lol yeah but i was in the belly of the beast
cazalla: did ya go smoke some soapbar or something
Vexual: when your spawns ready for kuta, uncle vex is coming along for the ride
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRK7PVJFbS8 <this?
Vexual: did anyone send tribute to the new king of tonga?
Vexual: kuta, bali runs on heavy metal and horror serials
Vexual: its a rite of passage for upper middle class aussie kids
Vexual: just dont update adobe flash at the hotel wifi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00054157 = 8.4566 BTC [-]
mod6: so asciilifeform you're just stuck on 363734 even though you're seeding via irc again ?
mod6: oh your just using addnode? or what?
mod6: ok thanks for clairifying for me
gernika: I think I'm seeing the same: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed ec7d42baa3
mod6: classic stator, i.e. no dump/eat block
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39747 @ 0.00054929 = 21.8326 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: gernika: what version are you running? what's your current block height, 363897?
Vexual: if you poop on your corn, you can recycle pidgeon <not realted to antything
Vexual: greeks are voting, prepare for riot
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 23:07:05; danielpbarron: 71.232.150.212 port 8139 is a fully synched 0.5.3.1~ node
gernika: mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000
Vexual: meahwhile, blockheight hit 400 storeys (evevator) when counted on individual 3 inch floppies
Vexual: thats around 2 months of in-out
Vexual: reddit down, usenet unaffected
mod6: <+gernika> mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000 << if it's a problem in block 168`001, i'm sure we hit this problem in february. but it should be resolved with openssl 1.0.1g.
mod6: im looking for the exact txid we hit.. it's somewhere in the log im sure.
mod6: you are using ssl 1.0.1g with stator right?
gernika: mod6: I am indeed using 1.0.1g
mod6: huh. this is the error we got, different txid and different error, but still, ~weird~: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007102
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 00:36:21; mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001
☟︎ mod6: did you see the same?
gernika: mod6: I'll check and make sure 1.0.1g was actually linked against tomorrow. I can say that it was built and copied to ./ourlibs.
mod6: oh i just solved my own problem. derp.
mod6: openbsd requires gmake to be in the stator.sh, not make.
gernika: mod6: yeah I ran into that. Put it in my patch to stator.sh. Still need to go through the process of signing everything.
mod6: cc1plus: out of memory allocating 46376 bytes after a total of 0 bytes << lol
gernika: mod6: had to run as root to get around openbsd memory limits on normal user accounts. There are other ways.
mod6: mircea_popescu: (this is compiling stator on openbsd)
mod6: gernika: yeah, just did `su`...
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we totally were. but it seems this time its a different error and a different txid!
gernika: mod6: "There is no dynamic segment in this file." when I run the above command
mod6: gernika: it might be helpful to patch in the dump block so we can examine your block(s) 168`000 & 168`001 and see what's going on there.
mod6: gernika: hmm. weird. i might hvae screwed something up in there.
gernika: k. will see if I can dig them up on the mailing list
mod6: i'll try again with obsd again tomorrow.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the lulz and the win of our times ;/ << aint this the truth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00054293 = 9.8813 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: quite. being a libertard is very much a SEXUAL behaviour.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054627 = 16.0603 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00054463 = 10.3207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00054681 = 2.6247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00054307 = 15.6133 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: deedbot- is the one to use though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28886 @ 0.00054416 = 15.7186 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4247 @ 0.00055022 = 2.3368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00055022 = 12.7651 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00055022 = 2.8336 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: apologiez for linking to the retarded, but im trying to bother asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: "UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aka, the world that could have been if we focused on the intelligent rather than on the fungal mass. mkay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00054119 = 11.6085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40369 @ 0.00054846 = 22.1408 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76431 @ 0.00055051 = 42.076 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00055195 = 15.841 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28094 @ 0.00053846 = 15.1275 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00054649 = 7.5416 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: Qntra shares distributed to CoinBr.
jurov: ;;later tell wyrdmantis to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed
jurov: ;;later tell punkman to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00055206 = 11.0136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00055261 = 14.9757 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: mats, what lang did you use for they keyserver thing?
punkman: cool, I'll give it a look when you publish
punkman: mod6, maybe a little script on the foundation website so we can upload and archive debug.logs (without shitting 50mb attachments all over the ml)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00055277 = 20.5354 BTC [+] {2}
mats: chinese-taiwanese fud is great
punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mats: imo the mainland is willing and capable of waiting decades (if not a century) to retake .tw
mats: meanwhile the inhabitants of .tw are busy deluding themselves into thinking they're taiwanese, not chinese, and special snowflakes otherwise
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4733 @ 0.00055278 = 2.6163 BTC [+]
jurov: punkman: good idea, maybe i'll do it. needs just a simple web form to upload file and signature
punkman: jurov, maybe throw a pastebin up there while you are at it
jurov: oh yes. and syntax coloring,. and inline images. and.. :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.0005364 = 19.4177 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:06:15; ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd
jurov: obv not an option for pogo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22002 @ 0.00054344 = 11.9568 BTC [+]
jurov: i'll prolly try hybrid sshd with it
☟︎ jurov: hello. who's there?
hdbuck: some random internet dude, wondering in B-A
hdbuck: any b-a official statement regarding yesturday’s f0rk attempt?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00053085 = 17.5711 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00053059 = 17.987 BTC [-]
jurov: ask cazalla or BingoBoingo
jurov: !gettrust assbot hdbuck
jurov: in fact you can write and submit it to them yourself
jurov: and you can !up yourself, too
jurov: lol good rating "He follows instructions."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38477 @ 0.00053737 = 20.6764 BTC [+] {2}
mats: too light on actual details imo
☟︎ cazalla: from an aussie IPO - At 30 June 2015
cazalla: Bitcoins with a fair value of
cazalla: million as investments and at 30 June 2016
cazalla: Bitcoins with a fair value of
cazalla: so they expect their yet to be mined 52k coins to be worth about $900
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45208 @ 0.00053059 = 23.9869 BTC [-]
punkman: cazalla: will they casually mine 5% of blocks in a year?
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 28 18:56:49 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 3 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, and 0 seconds.
cazalla: in the prospectus,they claim they bought some mining gear from ASICMiner back in January.. i wonder if these are the miners that disappeared same time as friedcat went awol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00053903 = 13.2062 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "avgprice" is not a valid command.
gribble: Bitfinex | Total bids: 5259068 USD. Total asks: 11822 BTC. Ratio: 444.82490 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds
gribble: 1 XAU = 1168.9 USD = 4.45397043134 BTC
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 288.64 | Next Price In About 3 days, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 34 seconds
mats: pgpdump really needs a rewrite...
☟︎ mats: the py port, at any rate
shinohai: @ 310610 this morning, so abt a year behind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16747 @ 0.00055339 = 9.2676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15106 @ 0.0005371 = 8.1134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37594 @ 0.00052886 = 19.882 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: `pyccoon -s bitcoin/src -d docs`
shinohai: heh punkman pyccoon looks pretty neat
assbot: rest: remove JSON input format for getutxos to avoid potential DoS problems · Issue #6192 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1RZSYDx )
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 09:31:13; mircea_popescu: "UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00052874 = 15.9679 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:24:32; mats: meanwhile the inhabitants of .tw are busy deluding themselves into thinking they're taiwanese, not chinese, and special snowflakes otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16022 @ 0.00053304 = 8.5404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77200 @ 0.00052731 = 40.7083 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 08:22:23; mircea_popescu: heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:47:47; jurov: i'll prolly try hybrid sshd with it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26329 @ 0.00052401 = 13.7967 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 07:04:24; mircea_popescu: "20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait."
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:20:58; ascii_modem: picture if we had pogos deployed
shinohai: @ asciilifeform I should have a pogo up and running inside this week.
mats: 10:57:53 <+asciilifeform> the few i've spoken with personally did not seem especially happy re: their home being used as usg's 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' << hardly the case, and they're exceptionally deluded if they think so...
mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island
☟︎ mats: usg could deploy all their carrier groups to the region and it'd make no difference.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00054337 = 14.997 BTC [+] {2}
mats: and besides. tw is more dependent than ever on mainland money
mats: the cost of living is extraordinarily high
mats: analogous to going to .cn going to bat against usg over havana. good luck with that.
mats: er, analogous to .cn going to bat against usg over havana
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00052341 = 7.7465 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there was also the millenium challenge 2002
ben_vulpes: powers that be froze action, restarted game, provided script
ben_vulpes: a forest fire even further north than i is smogging up the world
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i still marvel at that.
ben_vulpes: the stroll from office to tacos midday is almost guaranteed to pink me up a bit.
ben_vulpes: whereas in bsas, i could walk for an hour plus without feeling the burn.
ben_vulpes: (unrelatedly, whose moronic decision was it to produce keys that tab-complete before their public counterparts? looking at you, id_rsaa)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00052225 = 19.1144 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16688 @ 0.00052067 = 8.6889 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:38:24; asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron what, if anything, is peculiar about your synced 0.5.x ? (i.e. what patch set it used? to whom connected ? for how long ? when ? )
shinohai: I have not learned all the intricacies of deedbot yet, you can use it for anything?
trinque: shinohai: you just feed it your key first (in the same way), then any gpg signed message
trinque: so long as you're in good standing in the WoT, it'll let you use it
shinohai: Membership has it's privileges
kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x
☟︎☟︎ gribble: Current Blocks: 363970 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:02:06; asciilifeform: i did learn that many linux distros lack 'realpath'
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> anyone else experience this garbage ? << yes. I found the timestamp errors in my 0.7.2 (currently wedged) debug.log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00053316 = 11.8895 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: i also see reorg attempts in my debug.log but none actually worked
danielpbarron: ;;later tell williamdunne your twitter scoopbot cuts off titles sometimes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00052416 = 6.3948 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: gernika: it makes sense that you can not dump 168`001. keep it posted at that url for a few days. I wanna see if I can replicate with obsd on my side (as soon as I can get it built statically), or when I free up my aws environment from its current sync process (if that should come first). I can use the aws one to cut out block 168`000 and compare the two.
mod6: Maybe try to make sense of it somehow.
mod6: should be done in about 24 hours or so?
shinohai: I'm @ 319645 nothing out of the ordinary yet.
trinque: remove docker -> set up same application like a normal person with runit and users substituting for containers -> free up 5gb
mod6: i tried to build stator on obsd again, still ended up with some .so's in the output binary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00053986 = 1.9165 BTC [+]
decimation: I'm syncing stator+eatblock+dumpblock on some node, just cleared 200k blocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17167 @ 0.00054704 = 9.391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28670 @ 0.00054704 = 15.6836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25298 @ 0.00055339 = 13.9997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00054704 = 23.2563 BTC [-]
jurov: fu, onholy heat here and in most of europe
jurov: of course, exactly yesterday fetching keys of github finished and wait for me to crack them
jurov: maybe later in the night
jurov: so as not to cook myself alive :D
decimation: have any of those github keys been among the compromised set?
jurov: yes, of the first million ssh rsa keys several had factors like 3,5,7,11
jurov: total will be about 10mil
jurov: that does not mean i should set my amd quadcore aglow on the top of it
mircea_popescu: i bet you it's because all he had were cheapo units that always demoisturize to a certain % as result of their function, rather than actually CONDITION the air
jurov: it's seldom used here, so everywhere there's only that which just cools and recirculates bad air
jurov: and everyone is setting them too cool, am getting headaches of that
jurov: lol don't mention airplanes. last time i was sitting 10hrs in one i wanted to die
mircea_popescu: bring girlies along next time. or, you know... boygirlies i guess.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea when i was young i'll live in such gender role confusion times.
decimation: interesting: "The Boeing 787 has the healthiest air of any commercial plane, thanks to filters with an efficiency of 99.97 percent. Humidity too is substantially higher. The plane?s all-composite structure is less susceptible to condensation, and a unique circulation system pumps dry air through the lining between the cabin walls and exterior skin."
jurov: yea we were supposed to have warp drive and mind upload by 2010
decimation: having a non-metal skin would probably reduce condensation
jurov: but gender confusdion? never!!!1
decimation: I would settle for a manned expedition to juipter
mircea_popescu: i was not told about this when we joined "the west" in 1990!
mircea_popescu: it literally was, "play along for 20-30 years, you get mind uploads ands warp drives"
trinque: you got warped minds instead!
mircea_popescu: fucking shit. i bet you the whole thing runs on c++ and nobody did any bounds checking.
mircea_popescu: "o mp, it has much faster string operations". fuck you.
mod6: it checks 71 times!
mod6: oh was just laughing about that link last night: The loops basically iterate 72 times << 72 i guess. heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1985 @ 0.000534 = 1.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.000534 = 1.3617 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with french speakers, they're so enamoured with this denial through legal process bs ?
mircea_popescu: yo froggers : you don't have any "right to be forgotten", you don't get to abuse dmca out of fucking canada, and in general stfu.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hdbuck.1:1dbf351613089fb79a798bdbb61614f211ae3e8f684a6abd682027df907aeb78
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for hdbuck with note: Latest qntra editor
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Successfully added a rating of 1 for hdbuck with note: Latest qntra editor << Not editor, edited
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't
☟︎ mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hdbuck.1:054d7058b5e3cbe526b7ce2347cb387c46d70859cf71d140e888e743c872545e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hdbuck from 1 to 1 with note: Latest qntra contributor
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin "Core" sinking, true miner seekrit client existence proven, Frogs ignoring law again
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.52, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 271.53, 24 hour volume: 42989.06339824, 24 hour low: 256.88, 24 hour high: 275.88, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mmmyeah, remember a year or so ago when i was like "dude gtfo, nobody is using bitcoin pseudocore for any purpose" and the whole "community" of "experts" in their own dreams was liek "omfg mp spreading fuds and what does he know anyway!!1"
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.823599, Best ask: 271.316565, Bid-ask spread: 0.49297, Last trade: 271.316565, 24 hour volume: 28926.99150000, 24 hour low: 255.3435, 24 hour high: 274.474125, 24 hour vwap: 262.975360513
mircea_popescu: quoth php manual : "?php /* * Makes the value of "result" congruent to "value1" modulo " value2"."
mircea_popescu: dude i had no fucking idea number theory and geometry merged.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are numbers going to be congruent to anything.
BingoBoingo: Wasn't there some Jewish thing where numbers had location or some shit.
mircea_popescu: it does have significant similarities with actual congruence, so it's correcrtly oriented intuitively, and a word is prolly needed
mircea_popescu: i just throw severe exceptions when reading math with unexpected words in it, for obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: it is, in fact, the one difference i see. there are the people who, when confronted with an unexpected symbol, DREAM UP a story involving it. then there are the people who fling the text across the room.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea how you'd have stopped at 54.
gribble: Current Blocks: 363989 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 906 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mats: buttcoins rise again
mircea_popescu: the one i published is gonna stay at the place it is for i wanna look at this fork more.
mircea_popescu: ie, it still does what it was meant to do (publish the old blocks) and it keeps a valuable datapoint for the future.
mats: with all this going on, are you making progress on the cardano?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79460 @ 0.00052447 = 41.6744 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00052012 = 18.3082 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: guess if your bank account is empty you don't care much about capital controls
pete_dushenski: "we deserve it because our great^100-parents were useful and smart and had slaves and culture and everything"
pete_dushenski: and if you've never used plastic, who cares that it's now limited in use
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 17:25:22; kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works,
☟︎ williamdunne: pete_dushenski: I'd assume like a standard CFD brokerage but they hedge the bitcoins to USD also
pete_dushenski: start pricing assets in something other than, as you said, zimbabwean pula
mircea_popescu: we kick the "btc balance bot" thing in gear, next thing you know i can sit here and go
pete_dushenski: "on Saturday, China's top brokerages pledged to collectively buy at least 120 billion yuan ($19.3 billion) of shares to help steady the market, and would not sell holdings as long as the Shanghai Composite Index remained below 4,500."
pete_dushenski: "Some analysts suggest total margin lending, both formal and informal, could add up to around 4 trillion yuan."
pete_dushenski: "The government is anxiously awaiting the market opening on Monday to see if the new measures will halt a 30 percent plunge in the last three weeks,"
mircea_popescu: ten-twenty years of building tin towns for tin women are catching up with them
mircea_popescu: so much wastage hidden under the rug by the "communist party" that... well...
pete_dushenski: the graph of the shanghai index is pointier than madonna's tits.
williamdunne: The fact that they're having to do it, demonstrates the weakness of the markets and should surely inspire less confidence! Seems stoopid
mircea_popescu: curious if this sends the chinese on a "democratizing" kick to texas.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: well, it IS stupid. also phree money for traders.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what would that look like in your mind ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: btw deedbot.org is on a box that'll happily serve up the goods if referenced by another cname
kakobrekla: yeah i can add some sort of ticker-on-demand at some point.
trinque: moved the hosting from s3 to my own nginx
trinque: got the fucker in a state where it'll be less of a pain in the arse to work on in the future
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i guess you just meant chinese invading 'merica ?
trinque: fancy one-script deploy and errethang
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and how about you do all this this week. i know i would trade on this system
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah that. yes, like this always happens : chinese navy gets ordered to camp out between galveston and florida keys, us navy gets warned to stay the fuck out of their way. what are they going to do, fight ? the us is not fight worthy.
mircea_popescu: and next thing you know it chinese soldiers are on the ground looking to arrest obama to take him before miloshevich's tribunal
mircea_popescu: and to protect the citizens of baltimore from the criminal "federal government" with its long list of human rights abuses.
trinque: that recent chinese assessment of USian human rights was pretty lulzy
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh and e) have it deedbot a statement gpg'd to the owner's key each month, listing their assets.
kakobrekla: right now there are more urgent things on the plate, once api is working as id like we can do something like dat. until then you can run the platform with wine.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but anyway, i dun think the need for this will go away, so. take your time.
trinque: williamdunne: "and you X negroes" more or less
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:17:26; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works,
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: two outcomes from u.s. citizen perspective : a) "all hail the chinese, our lords and saviours" leading into much cock sucking, or b) "git off our turf yellow niggers !" leading into much guerilla warfare a la afghanistan
trinque: I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation
mircea_popescu: they're currently welcoming the rights of transsexuals and the obsese. what b?
mircea_popescu: guess what ? there's some guerilla in the ukraine too.
trinque: oh yeah, not saying it'll *matter*
mircea_popescu: there are not 100k people able to fight a war in the us currently.
mircea_popescu: war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself.
☟︎ trinque: ben_vulpes: you people never leave the cities, do you?
trinque: there are still rednecks with assloads of weaponry
trinque: whether they'll amount to anything, sure
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, the gritted dissent of the peasantry was never a notable historical fact
trinque: I just expect shitty times in between now and then, whenever then is
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski right. except atm those people whio would suicide bomb hate obama more than the chinese
mircea_popescu: because inept governance has managed to alienate all the people who matter to cater to the people who vote.
trinque: mircea_popescu: but they hate obama mostly because they're having the reaction to "strange" you've noted
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyways, not like i'm defending the toughness of the americans, i'm just saying that b exists, not same as it being probable
trinque: not for any rational reason
trinque: he's just black and smiles too much
ben_vulpes: trinque: the rednecks will be the reason china gets involved.
ben_vulpes: texas needs either zetas or chinks to hold its border to the north.
ben_vulpes: and china's the only one of those two groups today with ships and ship-launched rockets with significant distance capabilities.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation << they seem to be dealing with a northern occupation just fine.
BingoBoingo: I could see a mixture of A and B with the Chicoms tolerating B in the areas uneconomical to occupy.
trinque: that's basically what I'm saying.
trinque: chaos everywhere that doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: just like the us works now, so it won't even be strange.
jurov: and i guess chicoms will be happy to leave all the desert to mexico
mircea_popescu: what, you think maryland's not chaos everywhere "that doesn't matter" ?
trinque: I've been, not hungry enough yet though
BingoBoingo: I mostly curious if the Chicoms farm Iowa or mine the uranium under Iowa
trinque: ^ this seems wishful to me
mircea_popescu: that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks.
☟︎ trinque: russia is not gone though the soviet union dissolved
mircea_popescu: the chinese would farm the shit out of that thing, to the bare bedrock.
mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and so... is no doubt in my mind the chinese are getting the us.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00051999 = 11.0498 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: i can see them either filling a power vacuum or backing an secession.
trinque: ben_vulpes: now there's a theory that works a bit better imo
trinque: something like the US is doing now in western ukraine
mircea_popescu: (you may think "oh, wouldn't it be more logical to do africa first ?" and no, it wouldn't. africa's inhabited by monkeys currently, so it doesn't matter. same pattern played out in 1705 - napoleon went after europe not after the us. because in 1705 the us was africa)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. << Seriously big chunks or Arable land in Kansas went from farmed to feral in the past two decades.
trinque: ben_vulpes: far more plausible than china's going to land on the coast like normandy
ben_vulpes: trinque: ah, i only meant to suggest that they might park an armada offshore to provide fire support.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Commercially I think there will be fairly rapidly increasing Chinese investment in parts of Africa. Although that is a different matter.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne sure. and the us was built on european gold, look into the various panics culminating wit van buren
BingoBoingo: Oh, no. Completely feral. No one knows who the last title holder was on chunks of the place. I'm not talking unfarmed because it is out of the rotation. I'm talking retired from the being farmed business.
ben_vulpes: and with the work they're *doubtless* doing on autonomous flugenatoms that's going to be some impressive air support
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes two things about chinese material research : a) american folk go "chinese have it so much better because their financing is secure" and b) they're spending about 10x more than the us
mircea_popescu: (real terms, nobody cares you paid your neighbour ten cents to claim you paid him ten trillion billions so you're rich now)
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 20:44:56; asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer
mircea_popescu: williamdunne fuck the greeks. they should have bought btc for every penny they had. they did not
mircea_popescu: why, because they're too good for their shit to stink ?
mircea_popescu: i hope half the country starves and the rest gets sold into prostitution in rural india.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm not handing out sympathy here. But yes, I agree. Ah well, they're providing a lesson that is cheap for the rest of the world re; ownership
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19484 @ 0.00053808 = 10.484 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: few restauranteurs and fewer landlords ever wanted a call from me, but too bad, i'm calling
pete_dushenski: but since my stick was so large and cumbersome to use, i had to finesse my way around problems
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00055031 = 38.6042 BTC [+] {5}
decimation: People I know who are from greece tell me that anyone who is worth a shit left long ago
punkman: there are plenty of people left if you ask me :P
mircea_popescu: decimation the particular thing that annoys me is that the fuctarded anglos traded greece for romania after ww2, because oh noes, got forbid the english "Aristocratic" fauntleroys get separated from the fabled homeland of collegiate faggotry.
williamdunne: punkman: plenty of people, or plenty of people worth a shit?
decimation: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't be too upset, the romanians are taking the piss from the uk right now - talk to any london cabbie
punkman: williamdunne: only the latter is "people"
mircea_popescu: people gotta know why their ears are nailed to which board.
williamdunne: "The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK has risen by 15% year-on-year, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show. In the last three months of 2014 there were 172,000 people working in the UK who had been born in one of the two eastern European countries"
decimation: actually an enterprising young man from the uk ought to move to romania and start a factory
punkman: williamdunne: the great unwashed, we don't care about those
mircea_popescu: williamdunne do those statistics distinguish romanians and gypsies ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: They say born in Romania, so yeah I guess it includes Romani born in RO
mircea_popescu: gypsies are a migratory sort, they're not anymore romanian than austrian, french or british
jurov: they are no longer migratory
williamdunne: decimation: Generally people don't differentiate between Romani and the Irish traveller sort - all come under the name 'gypsy' in the common tongue
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they're not really irish either lol. just called irish in england like they're called hungarian in some parts of romania
decimation: it's interesting that they didn't really come to the us
williamdunne: decimation: I was lead to believe there was a growing "Irish" traveller population in the US
trinque: there are stinking punk kids that call themselves "travelers" here
cazalla: the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years
decimation: then again there's enough land in the us that you could live in bumfuck nowhere and not bother folks so much
punkman: trinque: lol I can picture that
trinque: punkman: just losers in their 20s panhandling because as mircea_popescu said, nobody cares enough to beat them up for it
decimation: those we got plenty of, but I never saw any evidence that they had families and culture
mircea_popescu: actually gypsy culture would stand out like the second coming in the us
mircea_popescu: stuff like burning man etc stand for the peak of it there, but it's just about life 101 in gypsyland
mircea_popescu: anyway. actually genetic gypsy people don't drink well. this, they have in common with the hungarians. hence the entire thing in romania.
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, the irish drink quite well, russian-like
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo "This incident highlight" << missing 's'
pete_dushenski: also "it is time for any last pretense of Bitcoin Core's development having any actual relationship to the actual living core of the Bitcoin Network." << time for what ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the closest approximation of gypsy culture accessible in the us would be stuff like eve online.
mircea_popescu: not exactly trolling, not exactly wot, not exactly industrious. something.
jurov: nah, eve online has rules. more like eulora
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:43; mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.
decimation: but nearly all of this opposition would be happy to work in exchange for chinese money
jurov: they don't need in-your-face
jurov: just buy the land with ..useless trinkets
mircea_popescu: jurov shut up this facebook autoposter is great! really needed for it simplifies my lyf!!1
mircea_popescu: also bought half dozen self licking icecream cones, you never know
decimation: because... they will help fund the real estate bezzletron
decimation: the chinese are willing to wait 100 years until your lease on hong-kong runs out
decimation: they would be willing to wait until the locals capitulate and beg them for jobs
mircea_popescu: "see, we're not even taking their lease on hong konmg. clearly we are the empire of law"
decimation: oh yes round-eyed master, you are great
mircea_popescu: you don't take over the enemy's things. you just make them be a burden to him now.
mircea_popescu: or, as the ever wise azn someguy or the other observed, "what good is your gold to you now ?"
decimation: on the freakonomics podcast, they had a guy on (retired army colonel) complaining that usg has nobody who thinks about anything strategic now
decimation: plenty of folks in usg and elsewhere see the big picture problems, but the usg throne seems to always get itself into 'urgent but unimportant' problems that distract them from any kind of long-term strategy
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:46:31; mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.
mircea_popescu: basically, the usg has managed to alienate itself from the thiny sliver of people who actually matter.
mircea_popescu: this is a mortal sin nobody and nothing ever recovers from.
mircea_popescu: if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there."
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39949 @ 0.00051999 = 20.7731 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that's a guy "thinking about big problems". he is no different from a dog thinking about bacon.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the strategic problems are often disguised as mundane things. i know at least a coupla of times my clock fucking stopped right here, over apparently nothings. and what the inept represent as "big problems" is almost never a usable or even vaguely correct representation. all about 'em, their emotional conflux, stuff like that.
decimation: often I find 'big problems' are unsolvable with any clear action anyway
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mircea_popescu: and the epitome of ~that~ distinction is as far as i know best illustrated by tornatore. in "l'uomo delle stele".
mircea_popescu: the plot is that a guy goes through villages with a broken camera, tricking people into paying him to make them cinema stars.
mircea_popescu: one of the rural inhabitants of a post-war italy that looks like 1300 ad is a shepherd. and he tells, the story of sherperding, specifically, that he talks to the stars
mircea_popescu: and sometimes wonders if the stars are real or the world is real.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: obviously if you restart the process of 5k years ago with the means of 5k years ago you will get the comensurate results. this is a fact, because the processors still work, and in the same way.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... this isn't, actualy, a big problem. hasn't been, for five millenia.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help us if we have to fork human thought that deep.
mircea_popescu: the general fate of "o noes, we will be poor" decay-of-civilisation ~small thinkers~ envisage is nothing compared. romania went through three of these in a century, was fine, will be fine. so will the us, if that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: once you have to start forking the thoughts tho... that's gonna be hard.
assbot: satoshi_pokemoto comments on Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. ... (
http://bit.ly/1H27rJ9 )
decimation: yeah I think I follow. it's kinda the root of ascii's complain about computing stuck in the 70's
mircea_popescu: (the three, for the studious : 1929 ; 1945 ; 1989. the ww1 was not on the list, but instead a great time for romania. unexpectedly enough. young cvountry)
williamdunne: cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism
shinohai: > Did Gavin sleep with Mircea's wife or something? This article #9281 from qntra claiming that Gavin is incompetent.
mircea_popescu: wasn't the guy married to some chick people were more or less jokingly proposing to be satoshi in early say 2010-2011 ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla here's a funny : one view shows the article at 5 votes and 8 comments. the other, 6 votes, 6 comments
mircea_popescu: and yet qntra is supposed to be censoring stuff. go fig.
BingoBoingo: Apparently reddit ate those allegations/compliments
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: No I clicked the link and it gave an error instead of showing great comment.
assbot: Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1G26Qq1 )
williamdunne: Yeah, they deleted it before I could pay my witicisms
BingoBoingo: Does anyone have the actual text of the comment?
cazalla: it was just a oneliner that you are probably mp
BingoBoingo: And anyways I thought you said they said I was MPOE-PR
BingoBoingo: This is a crisis of existential proportions! I don't know who the Buttcoin public thinks I am.
cazalla: nah, mircea_popescu said that, must've misread or we've gone inception or something
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 22:38:21; mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2014 00:20:25; asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.