assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:55:59; asciilifeform: that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational'
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1H8EjCO )
mircea_popescu: This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is
☟︎ mircea_popescu: essentially the position of the Catholic church, hoping that it may teach people to read and write in such a way that they'll actually continue to take the "Holy Scripture" seriously. Why would they ? They won't, they don't, it's just not how that works.
mircea_popescu: thatr's exactly what it is. the whole thing that made usg work makes us work. it'll make us great long after it buried it.
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1H8EopW )
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decimation: so your estimate might be off by about 1000 if you include that. Also presumably most of the 'heavy hitter' bombs would use heavy water fusion secondaries
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williamdunne: Anyone want to ask him if he thinks we should implement X11ScryptDark++ too?
decimation: hell add on google protocol buffers too
williamdunne: Might as well port the DB to MongoDB while we're at it
livegnik: Thnx mircea_popescu . I'll be off in 30 minutes or so, and haven't been able to get sirius in here yet. Both pretty busy atm, but sure he'll join us some other time.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne because clearly 1 minute blocks are so helpful to ltc it already tookover.
mircea_popescu: wtf is with these idiots. don't they realise just how obvious their agenda becomes from all the failures ? "we gotta fuck up bitcoin. o, i know, let's make the blocks larger. wait, mp said no. i know, make the timing shorter. one way or another, must destroy the decentralisation!!11"
williamdunne: Na thats 2.5 minute blocks, so this is like 2.5 litecoins. And there are double as many litecoins as there are bitcoins so this idea is worth what, 105,000,000 bitcoins?
livegnik: Anything else I might be able to explain about Identifi? I remember that there were some more questions last time after I left.
williamdunne: I think I've been hearing about identifi recently, let me check I'm on about the right thing one sec
williamdunne: Ah okay, not what I was hearing about. Still interested tho so give me a sec to read-up again on it
mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, the important point in all of that is the natural insolation on ground is to the degree of 20 MJ/day.
livegnik: We don't have a whitepaper yet. Working on it though. It would be much easier to grasp the concept with some details on the data format, database design, network topology, etc.
williamdunne: Can I have a link to your profile, I wanna see the rating system?
mircea_popescu: livegnik you'd be much better served getting in the wot than writing white papers. experimentally, nobody reads thoise.
williamdunne: livegnik: Looks ok I guess, rating system and account system seems pretty 'tarded atm
livegnik: williamdunne: Sure. Just don't stare at the front-end too much, it's only to give you an idea. The real magic happens on the back-end; the daemon.
livegnik: mircea_popescu: I agree. I'm no academic nor coder, so I'm not even gonna give it a shot.
livegnik: It's nothing special, if you'd ask me.
livegnik: You can do RPC calls on the back-end, basically how you can do it with bitcoind
livegnik: The self-rate thing is verifying identifiers (which are called "connections" there). By verifying an identifier you add said identity + that identifier to your WoT.
livegnik: I could add an identifier like that and get a verifaction from my bank and/or social network that way.
williamdunne: Mmm adding them as rates seems awkward, should be separate. Also gives a false sense of security
livegnik: Identifiers are what construct the identity. The ratings are apart from that.
livegnik: You can only up/down-vote the identifiers themselves. Next, you can say anything about them under ratings.
livegnik: So there's the ID part and the reputation part.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing would drastically benefit from getting the people involved here. it has fundamental problems which are apparently difficult to grasp. whatever they may think they're doing with their time that's a better use, isn't.
williamdunne: Feels a bit awkward. I like the idea but it feels like crap
livegnik: I like the analogy of an electronic Rolodex. It's dissimilar to the extent that it wasn't shared as easily among all trusted parties.
livegnik: The system doesn't only consist of the identities within the digital Rolodex, but also of all the claims that have been made about them,
livegnik: by any other (1st to infinite degree) party at any time. This information should at least make it much easier for any party to decide for themselves what is best for them.
livegnik: williamdunne: that's why I said not to stare at identi.fi too much, it's basically meant for demo-purposes, to explain the back-end.
livegnik: mircea_popescu: Not sure what you're trying to point there for sure, but one of the reasons I've joined this channel is because there are probably a few people who have thought extensively about this topic.
mircea_popescu: "I agree. I'm no academic nor coder" << basically, you're trying to sell something. the problem is that the thing you're trying to sell has problems. send the engineers that made it instead.
livegnik: As long as it doesn't go in-depth concerning the technicals, a good salesman should at least be able to discuss the concept, right?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, apparently 'our' knowledge of uranium reserves are quite limited. people haven't been trying to mine uranium for thousands of years (like gold)
livegnik: If something goes in-depth too far for me, I'll definitely let you know to get in touch with sirius about it.
livegnik: You can join #identifi to get in touch with sirius directly.
livegnik: So, as a salesman, I might sell it as supernode Rollodex, relaying information among trusted parties.
assbot: sirius is not registered in WoT.
livegnik: I prefer evangelist though. I'm way too stoked about our product to be a regular salesguy.
decimation: mircea_popescu: incidentally, uranium fission is the only non-mass-polluting technology that can deliver first world level energy to the entire population for a thousand years
decimation: every nuclear bomb made represents a massive waste of potential energy production
mircea_popescu: not really, unless it's actually fired, the stuff can be reclaimed (and has, on a grand scale - that's what START is really all about)
mircea_popescu: decimation most of them use the thin walled sphere with boron chain fillings. they can be safely dismantled.
decimation: well, sure but it would have been more efficient to use it at lower enrichment levels in the first place
decimation: year, a lifetime?s worth of high-level nuclear waste would amount to less
decimation: than 2 litres. Even when we multiply by 60 million people, the lifetime vol-
decimation: ume of nuclear waste doesn?t sound unmanageable: 105 000 cubic metres.
decimation: That?s the same volume as 35 olympic swimming pools. "
decimation: shit my new irc client doesn't rate limit my pastes :(
mircea_popescu: and yes, a cubic kilometer of very poisonous stuff sounds pretty unmanageable./
decimation: "Compare this 25 ml per year per person of high-level nuclear waste with the other traditional forms of waste we currently dump: municipal waste 517 kg per year per person; hazardous waste 83 kg per year per year"
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
assbot: gavinandresen comments on Please remind me once again why we can't decrease the time interval between blocks instead of increasing their size ... (
http://bit.ly/1cGvUww )
mircea_popescu: the only way it'll kill you is by falling on your head.
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple way to decrease interval between blocks : gavin can just go buy some miners and stfu.
mircea_popescu: if the need is there, the fix is obvious. pay more per btc, so miners get more mining done, so more txn get in per day.
mircea_popescu: if the need isn't there... i guess go derp on reddit about things of great interest and matters of great import.
decimation: the alternative to nuclear fission is to emit radiation via coal burning
decimation: "Uranium and thorium have concentrations of roughly 1 ppm and
decimation: plus I like to eat bluefin tuna, and coal emissions are ruining it
mircea_popescu: if the peons didn't have the printing folk to give them free money, they wouldn't afford bluefin tuna.
decimation: well, that's no reason to piss mercury into the ocean
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decimation: so to be clear, it's your position that it's better w.r.t. to "pollution" for electricity to come from coal vice nuclear fission?
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decimation: well, my favorite criteria are "pollution sits in a pool" rather than "pollution is spammed over planet's surface"
decimation: uranium is heavy; it'll go to the bottom.
mircea_popescu: also, consider that a comparison of new nuclear with old coal is pretty stupid. you're not advertising deployument of 1970s soviet nuclear plants. consequently, you don't get to compare to 1950s coal plants.
mircea_popescu: the modern liquefied coal stuff is actually pretty clean
mircea_popescu: in unrelated tinfoil hat fodder : i dunno if anyone remembers the one time world came closest to nuclear war (1983), or the fate of kal-007. the thing is tho, the russians at the time claimed the bad flightpath was deliberate provocation, and that the cia had warned nixon not to go with that flight.
mircea_popescu: this seemed pretty ridiculous at the time, and perhaps it is. or perhaps it's part of a playbook, and the same strategy was later used to try and "turn public opinion" in the ukraine.
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1cGCbIz )
danielpbarron: doesn't jump down to that part of the page and doesn't select the text
danielpbarron: 151.0 makes it start the selection at the "xii" footnote link
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assbot: I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1cGIr39 )
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
decimation: yeah some deuterium spices up the party
decimation: at any rate, as I wrote later, it seems that the actual amount of U in the ground isn't really fully known
decimation: yeah, 8 mm of water vaporization would zing if delivered in a few microseconds
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no discussion about the difficulty going to outer space.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere << to my [dis]credit, i just came up wiuth it on my own. i guess i should read more.
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mircea_popescu: and speaking of ukraine weird, am i the only one to think Ю́щенко's disappearing act from ukrainian politics is weird ? the guy was strong enough to be worth poisoning a decade ago, gets 1% in 2012 ?
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assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
mircea_popescu: cazalla it'd work a lot better if anyone gave a shit what he says.
cazalla: and anyway, even if he made a good argument for an increase in the blocksize, his current proposition differs to the incremental increase he suggested only a few months back, can't respect a guy that secede his position so quickly regardless of merit
mircea_popescu: i think he went from salesman trying to impress & get a raise to salesman desperate to avoid the glengarry prize for third place.
davout: cazalla: i can't help to think that if the guy's really compromised than he probably feels pretty good about the way his proposals are going
davout: i mean, if he's compromised and is actually against raising the limit, he has to be happy about it not going too well, right
mircea_popescu: you're not about to introduce your own rendition of the meta-nsa theme are you.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, linking new boxxy is like 20mb block size limit whereas old boxxy.. pre-famous boxxy are 1mb sizes, l2p
davout: is that so stupid? not sure if sarcasm
mircea_popescu: cazalla honestly i like the new boxxy much better. shit she's saying is of course a lot dumber than before, but at least now it's banal too. easier to ignore.
mircea_popescu: you know, maybe the shrimp i had earlier and am now digesting REALLY MEANT to be eaten. it was its plan all along. i fell into its well laid out trap!
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but the new ones reak of how can i leverage my succesful random videos with new, non-random random videos with adsense
mircea_popescu: maybe hitler's plan was to lose the war, kill himself, and have his idiocy remade by the winners.
cazalla: i'd even wager her come back video has some ad agency or fucking youtube studio involved
mircea_popescu: in other words : the space of possibilities is necessarily and by definition very vast and entirely open. this however does not make it automatically also interesting.
mircea_popescu: "why did you hit this man in the head ?" "i thought maybe it'd do him good" "why ?" "dunno" judge thinks it through "alright, case dismissed. maybe it does do him good."
cazalla: davout, i think he is more likely to be trolling than a canary as you said on /r/bitcoin.. the guy has had his childish tantrums on bitcointalk before in 40pt font
mircea_popescu: anyone else remember his "THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY ~must~ give me 1mn BTC to do stuff I came up with because that's the only way IT'll matter!11", or am i the only one ?
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davout: mircea_popescu: lol when was that?
davout: mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, thought the 1mn thing was about gavin
cazalla: cutie? i see no face in that gif, could be butter for all i know
cazalla: u know, butterface, all those gifs and no face, odds are good you'll be paperbagging that cutue
cazalla: mebe it's aussie slang, i unno
mircea_popescu: i had noticed before how extremely rare it is for a great ass to find itself on a pretty face.
cazalla: which do you prefer, great ass or tits
davout: cazalla: which do you prefer? bumping blocks to 20mb, or shrinking them to 100kb?
cazalla: davout, well my missus has one of thise 20mb fat asses
cazalla: (not that i really give a shit these days)
cazalla: and to think how bad i was jonesing to hit that lol
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mircea_popescu: is that jpg proposing the derpy chicks above are somehow dangerous ?
cazalla: i guess more so danger, they have issues but whatever i liked it so whatevers i link what i want
cazalla: drinking some cheap shitty cherry brandy amyways
cazalla: don't have em, not for a while, fucked em off given the situation here
cazalla: meh what can i say, made my own bed
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cazalla: i dunno, sorta like micropenis guy claiming 4-5 of his would be just as good if not better than a 10" eh? :P
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cazalla: i could really go for some of that chicken right now
assbot: Satoshi dress-up impersonator Gavin Andresen, has given up promoting larger block sizes. : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1H9s6h6 )
mircea_popescu: "Most news sites you see on the internet are just one guy writing under multiple names. Writers are expensive. This wouldn't be the first site that does that nor would it even be unusual.
mircea_popescu: pround member of the "things the voices in my head tell me are real" internet liberation party
davout: cazalla: "but at this time that inbox is empty" <<< can you read it?
cazalla: davout, mailinator is one of those disposable email services that anyone can check if you give out the username
davout: ic, and the username is the email username i take
davout: weird they'd pick that
cazalla: yup, so if you don't want to have spam sent to your inbox or want an address that is shared, it's useful for that
davout: jon matonis on the qntra itbit piece "Market-based legitimacy will always trump any flavor of institutional or political legitimacy. Bitcoin outlives political institutions."
davout: quite ironic he'd speak about "institutional legitimacy"
cazalla: davout, dunno what to make of it, he retweets a lot of qntra stuff despite his bitcoin foundation history
cazalla: to borrow a line.. in other news, 75% of these women on MFC are fucking useless camwhores
cazalla: if i was a chick, i'd be top 5 mfc easy
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mircea_popescu: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this.
cazalla: the /r/bitcoin mods fkn banned me the cunts :\
cazalla: you can call people niggers but don't tell people to kill themselves
cazalla: i rarely submit qntra there anyway
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cazalla: no no, just mentioning it now
cazalla: not exactly news or bragworthy, like the 5th time i've been banned from /r/bitcoin
cazalla: just had a bit more time sunk into this account
cazalla: bit of a disgrace considering bruce fenton of the bitcoin foundation has change tipped fedora'd me a couple times
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thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
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williamdunne: thestringpuller: Not the first exchange to add PGP support
williamdunne: Would be tragic for the NSA to lose out on that valuable data
williamdunne: thestringpuller: I know, although its not really used much by the people in question
williamdunne: thestringpuller: It also has the most thorough implementation
bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00026534 = 15.9204 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: bitcoinquestions, to which link are you referring?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52203 @ 0.00026561 = 13.8656 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: "But what if one of these government backed exchanges start working with a huge leverage using fiat as its backing and not bitcoins?" << start? isn't that the SOP?
pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus 4c used in the PCs and servers is said to support two instruction sets: very long instruction word and SPARC."
pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus ARM-401 PC is a minitower packing a version of Linux also called Elbrus and boasts four USB 2.0 ports, a PCI-express slot, gigabit ethernet and not much more."
pete_dushenski: "The CPU is otherwise unremarkable: it packs four cores, but they stroll along at 800 MHz and are built using a 65 nm process."
pete_dushenski: "The Server Elbrus 4.4 is a four-socket affair and four of the machines fit into a 1U chassis. Gigabit ethernet, SATA and plenty of PCI slots connect it to other kit and the rest of the worlds."
williamdunne: thestringpuller: PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS). Signing and encrypting with PGP is a nice way to bypass using authorization tokens, though, but it is not usable in a modern exchange interface. Trades on MPEx are very slow as a result.
williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47634 @ 0.00026688 = 12.7126 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: such a thing may be what caused the great depression
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15716 @ 0.00026768 = 4.2069 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: letting anybody with 2 cents to rub together trade on margin
danielpbarron: williamdunne, ^, ssl is a suitable alternative for GPG !?
williamdunne: > However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
williamdunne: That assumes mainstream acceptance is the goal.
williamdunne: >PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS).
williamdunne: That depends on the function you are going for. SSL doesn't serve as a way to verify each party and obviously has some contentious things going on with cert authorities.
williamdunne: There are ways of doing similar things in a usable and optional fashion.
mike_c: you should put quotes around stupid crap like that
ascii_field: pretty clear from the www that they aren't selling onceies
williamdunne: Are we gonna be able to get maybe 10k units between us?
ascii_field: williamdunne: if you exclude mircea_popescu, i doubt we can get 10,000 plastic forks between the lot of us
pete_dushenski: except excluding mp from this consideration is like excluding air from discussions of breathing.
ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly
☟︎ ascii_field: but to go to original point, there is nothing magical about ru cpu (esp. a sparc clone, almost certainly built from 'opensparc')
pete_dushenski: but yes, is this elbrus isn't sufficiently magical, then it makes as much sense as buying 10,000 apple watches
ascii_field: from spec sheet: 800MHz sparc-like; sata-2; 12 ddr3 ecc dimm slots; various standard i/o (e.g., pci-e, GbE;) and, most interestingly, built-in fpga for 2d interconnect into clusters by directly linking bus (202 G/s claimed.)
pete_dushenski: ok, so is similarity to 'origin' a positive step or a mark of failure ?
ascii_field: one of the things glaringly missing from even the costliest x86 mb is a means for connecting them as tiles
ascii_field: though, pictured unit is a much more modest demo, it appears
ascii_field: rather than the quad cpu rack mount thing from earlier link
ascii_field: offered to 'russian incorporated entities only'
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: iirc you gotta have a physical agent there.
ascii_field: (and do at least a convincing simulacrum of legit business)
pete_dushenski: ok so not exactly wrapped in an amazon box and shipped to your door
ascii_field: at any rate, for what it is - 4k usd is not an obscene bag of benjies; but i have doubts that you can get these 1) in onecies 2) for anywhere close to the manufacturer's retail cost
pete_dushenski: but hey, if this things are cool enough, they're not exactly 'unobtanium'
ascii_field: first one here to grab one, please write in.
pete_dushenski: for all the bitching about usg chip diddling in this place
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: mebbe you can trade that astonmartin for an 'elbrus'
ascii_field: elbrus for many decades (yes) had reputation not entirely unlike 'butterfly labs' or what was it.
williamdunne: At least its marginally less important when the kit arrives in some circumstances than with bitcoin mining
pete_dushenski: typical crowdfund dealio apparently wasn't invented for crowdfunding. who knew.
ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
☟︎ pete_dushenski is reminded of recent commenter who was all "crowdfund your bitcoin nodes if they're too expensive"
ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
☟︎ williamdunne: 5) With far less support in terms of software you may need to run
ascii_field: williamdunne: lack of support for winblows is a feature, not bug
ascii_field: (and there is claimed x86 dynamic translation, a la apple ppc. so it may yet turn out that most 'elbrus' will end up running winblowsxp...)
williamdunne: Admittedly it was a while ago, but I can remember getting most things to run on an RPI-like was an absolute bitch
ascii_field: williamdunne: rpi in particular was a miserably underpowered (nic shared usb line with drives) thing
ascii_field: or do you consider any box where you can't suck down prebuilt packages from the net, to be 'a bitch to run'
williamdunne: Mmm the second thing a bit. Prebuilt certainly makes mundane tasks that should be easy, easy
trinque: nothing that hard about cross compiling to arm
ascii_field: (the only reason we don't build bitcoind on pogo is the ram-poverty)
williamdunne: Nothing that hard, but often its ignored by developers
ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, if it won't compile on my box, for my box, it doesn't exist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45836 @ 0.00025338 = 11.6139 BTC [-]
jurov is curious for how many people will eulora exist then
jurov: there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33332 @ 0.00025338 = 8.4457 BTC [-]
jurov: yes. ask ben_vulpes or mod6
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73765 @ 0.00025332 = 18.6861 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: yeah, I don't remember having that problem before with CS... but maybe i'd forgotten?!
davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit
mats: fun fact: you can use scrypt to attempt remote code integrity attestation on microprocessors.
jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?
☟︎ mats: (as long as you fill unused flash with high entropy NOPs that eventually jump to a fault handler, and do attestation via reset to a minimal bootloader that can use all memory)
jurov: mats: i still don't understand you
mircea_popescu: <jurov> there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure << ahaha wut!
trinque: yeah that selection script is sweet
mircea_popescu: mats yep, part oif why the entire "attestation" bs is so lulzy.
davout: is it supposed to work on trilema? as in, i select arbitrary text and i'l given a URL reference?
mats: jurov: p much what it sounds like: generating a proof of certain properties re: integrity, e.g. configuration and state of hardware/sw stack
mats: jurov: usual approach is through hashing regions of memory for comparison
mircea_popescu: davout yup. requires js, but it's pretty solid. try itr.
davout: maybe i need to flush cache
davout: i use an apple computer
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 18:24:33; jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?
davout: i must be misunderstanding something here, i tried in safari, ff, and chrome
ascii_field: essentially a byword for 'let's find a way to enforce ban on general-purpose computer'
davout: open an article randomly, select random bit of the article, nothing happens
davout: i kindof expected a little pop-up like on the btc-dev mailing list
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mats: fun fact: passive radar using 802.11 points and such is a thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if there are any javascript experts in the room, you, trinque, whoever : currently it pisses me off because if you click on page it scrolls you to top. any idea how to fix it so it ignores clicks ? just, never scroll as a result of a click.
ascii_field: mats: not only a thing, but effectively defeats famous 'stealth airplane'
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:06:41; thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
mircea_popescu: "those guys are the top just because they're priviledged, we can be just as good as them, even better. because we want to, that's why!"
jurov: stealth bomber does reflect microwaves
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mats: fun fact: since OLPC machines use IEEE1275, they all have a Forth implementation baked into the firmware.
ascii_field: let the golang folks be proud of their flagship, l0l
jurov: well, serbians did use passive radar to shoot one down. and then 2.4ghz sources were far not so plentiful
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wut, it connects to wireless << it casts a shadow in microwave spectrum
jurov: yea, there's a piece exhibited in belgrade
mircea_popescu: i didn't know they had rockets fast enough even. wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: "In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications" AAAAhahahahaha
jurov: it isn't so inconceivable to point an antenna to sky and scan for reflected 2.4ghz sources
ascii_field floored that mircea_popescu had not heard of the mega-airplane
ascii_field: it even sits in a museum, one can visit it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i'm only very marginally interested in this sort of wankery tbh.
ascii_field: there is a (plausible) legend that the strike on the cn embassy was deliberate - as it was where the carcass was hidden
mircea_popescu: ah, where are the rambunctious years of the serbian "pace" mission.
mircea_popescu: how much has changed, how the mighty have fallen, etc.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:39:56; bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:58:26; williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
mircea_popescu: yes, they used to be more expensive, and have been alligning to the mpex price over the years. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: im not going to even go into the whole pki nonsense, too lazy atm.
davout: he was quoting apparently
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:10:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 2850 @ 0.00035271 = 1.0052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i thought you meant the site. gotta love those girls, great sports.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wait, so you're not gonna write an inquiry to the elbrus folks ?
mircea_popescu: you know i *am* willing to buy one, host it in the ukr lands closeby, and so on.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:18:59; ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly
ascii_field: ty mircea_popescu. and pete_dushenski has it - those were lunch money, yes
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: buy elbrus ... << ru corps only is the advertised offer
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i can bitch at someone there to buy it, i imagine. prolly so can you
ascii_field: probably answer is 'not made in cn, therefore add a zero to cost'
mircea_popescu: there is some residual interest in exploring this thing, because it will definitely become the standard in ru bureaucracy, and knowing its holes will allow us to complete our collection of michelle obama cockinmouth.jpg with all the random hos putin manhandles.
ascii_field: i'd buy in a hearbeat if had any lead on where.
mircea_popescu: give it a coupla years, they won't even be able to fix anything anymore because of deployment
ascii_field: but i see a number of oddities right off the bat
ascii_field: and implication from brochure is that there is no native linux port, but uses x86 translatron
ascii_field: so from what i can see, 1) they cut every possible corner 2) rolled in x86 because unspoken 'winblows 4ever'
ascii_field: and 3) no public docs whatsoever. i looked.
ascii_field: they did it for same reason dec included x86 translator with alpha
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:39:43; pete_dushenski: 'pay now, mebbe ship later'
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:02; ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
mircea_popescu: independence is built EXACTLY out of having access to all the flavours of idiocy
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:50; ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
mircea_popescu: (this is not as lulzy as it sounds. there MUST be a fractal pattern somewhere that also makes a machine)
mircea_popescu: anyway, you KNOW most elbrus will be running excel in govt offices. so yes.
ascii_field: machine that is -intended- for tandem operation in single yoke with identical units made by foreign skeptics operating from docs - must be purpose-designed.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc. << this is scary. i'd think you'd lose all ops/clock-cycle optimizations doing some translation between the two right?
mircea_popescu: it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc"
thestringpuller: williamdunne: seems like d00d thinks GPG is a toy or marketing ploy.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field success comes from a very patent absence of intent.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc" << lol
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: tandeming without a single point of failure - 'trusted' vote counter, etc. -- requires something like 'millionaire protocol' and purpose-designed iron.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: poorly. see sync protocol for instance.
mircea_popescu: clearly the largest use of tandem computing in the history of humanity, by any measure, by a very fat margin.
ascii_field: to take extant bitcoind as gold standard for anything whatsoever - is lunacy
ascii_field: it is only standing because no one is pushing.
mircea_popescu: you don't want the hard sort of thing you're thinking about. you just want an impredictable sort of tandem.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the only reason you're not walking through walls is also, that you're pushing with the strength of a child.
mircea_popescu: and not even a female child at that. katrina did way better than you.
ascii_field: the proverbial wall-drilling blades of grass, aha
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means << then very clearly we don't have bitcoin yet
jurov: "x86 sparc" ofc this was tried. cue "transmeta crusoe"
ascii_field remembers the astonishing - even for that era - hype around 'transmeta'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27570 @ 0.00025689 = 7.0825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: For checking if a string is empty, null or undefined I use: return (!str || 0 === str.length); For checking if a string is blank, null or undefined I use: return (!str || /^\s*$/.test(str)); For checking if a string is blank or contains only white-space: return (this.length === 0 || !this.trim());
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026075 = 7.5878 BTC [+]
jurov: sooo, russia and china put export embargo to their crown jewels.
ascii_field: jurov: as far as i can tell, not so much embargo as 'not enough to go around, so members-only'
trinque: mircea_popescu: JS... only winning move...
ascii_field: ^ contains some tidbits not found elsewhere
ascii_field: poor schmucks are almost certainly running 'systemd' from the looks of that demo screen
trinque: DA TOUCHSCREEN UBUNTU KOMRADE, PRIDE OF SOVIET UNION
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00026215 = 24.3275 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: mircea_popescu: you can just use shitty javascript truthiness for that
mircea_popescu: trinque well, took a while to figure out wtf actually needs testing in those two pages of blerg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40572 @ 0.00026388 = 10.7061 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: unless newhash = undefined is meaningful to it
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the dumbass page jumping when click behavuoyur has been fixed
trinque: of course you've got null too
trinque: gotta have both null and undefined
mircea_popescu: that's what i like about "typed" languages, you know ? if (i = "" or i =="" or i === "" or i = 0 or i == 0 or i === 0 or i &= null or i ^= undefined) fuck your mother.
mircea_popescu: (obv null and undefined each get their own special equalities)
ascii_field: js is one of the great crimes of the '90s 'digerati'
trinque: undefined in js means the property or varname hasn't been given a value, whereas null is a value meaning... no value
trinque: no need for two, it's not as though it uses that distinction for any benefit
mircea_popescu: trinque i imagine ti must be useful when you're trying to exploit overflows.
trinque: heh, JS's whole design philosophy being "create as much attack surface as possible"
mircea_popescu: WEBSITE: By the Principality For the Principality Website established under Royal Command by: Inspector General, FM. Lord Steven G. P. Baikie, Earl of Tankerness KGCRO., ADC., Dip.Eng. (Electronics)., DSF., RHRL. & The Hon. Sir Phillip G. Baikie KIOM. Maintained under Royal Command by: PHR I.T. Department
ascii_field: it 'works' by imbeciles shouting at one another, aha
mircea_popescu: it works like so : the things people do shed no light on the things people can do. not anymore, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: just because some twerp is in the doctor's room at the hospital doth not mean he's a doctor.
mircea_popescu: guy in the oval office'd be best suited to carry heavy loads. stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: nobody goes "you know what ? maybe this shit's really supposed to be done by someone who, unlike me, is not actually an imbecile."
mircea_popescu: "why do you think you're an olympic athlete ?" "~~~BECAUSE~~~ I'm a quadriplegic. If I weren't, I wouldn't give a shit about the olympics, like everyone else."
ascii_field: i can't imagine too many folks would be the least bit interested in discovering what they are 'best suited for'
trinque: ah I dunno, depends when you ask them
mircea_popescu: ascii_field dude i must have missed some memos here. last i recall, that was pretty much the only point of interest. i blinked and now everyone seems to be running around trying to pretend like they can do things they most obviously can't.
mircea_popescu: it looks so badly like water poisoning you can't imagine.
mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."
☟︎ trinque: anyone remotely useful tends to actually enjoy the structure of being given a worthwhile task
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the guy claims, the bugs he found appear to be in the power rangers "consensus" library, not in conformals'.
trinque: even if it's just some physical, menial task
mircea_popescu: ascii_field which part ? trinque sure, yes. so then, depends who you ask ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the part about 'that was pretty much the only point of interest'
mats: mircea_popescu: davec i believe
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for as long as i can remember, the entire point, of school, and of intellectual activity of young people, was to find wtf they're good for.
trinque: mircea_popescu: point of my statement was that if the person's put to what they're actually best suited for, their opinion if it matters at all isn't worth hearing until they've felt what it's like
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: from schoolmaster's point of view - yes
mircea_popescu: trinque well entirely different consideration, this. i was looking at it from the subjective perspective. nevermind what the world tells you to do. why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? it's as if at the orchestra auditions everyone wanted to play the instruments they sucked at.
ascii_field: from student's point of view - to get himself credentialled/blessed for something closest to wtf he feels like doing
ascii_field: why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?
☟︎ trinque: on the one hand this is "what's to be done with all these walmart morons" and the other is "what's to be done with healthy humans"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but, to quote the standard ru prison tattoo, 'dum spiro spero'
ascii_field: while the biodiesel still has arms and legs, it does not want to go to the reactor pot.
trinque: sure, make candles of 'em; but if we're going into long-term biodiesel production human stock's not nearly the best choice
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i'd say "wow, check out the weird divide between eastern europe and the us", but it's not it. tons upon tons of livresque reference to this exact thing, in english too.
mircea_popescu: "finding one's way" and whatnot. all the way through the 90s
trinque: best times in my career have been when some older guy said "make X, and do it precisely this way"
jurov: worst times in mine
jurov: maybe it was not the right older dude
trinque: in the case where the older dude has made something of himself already, he knows tasks the novice won't ever think of doing himself, novice comes away having found out he can build an X
trinque: I tend to think there's a lot more learned helplessness out there than actual uselessness.
trinque: just labor's too expensive
jurov: lmao. it involved building the X, literally
trinque: "my god... two lines.... crossed!"
ascii_field: thing is, 'being judged re: what one is best for' has a baked-in implication of brute slavemarket
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assbot: Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1ASqBPD )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14375 @ 0.00024688 = 3.5489 BTC [-]
trinque: it didn't select the text that time, but plonked me on the paragraph
jurov was asked to extract relevant code from libxpm so that they can have color icons without dynamically linking it
jurov had to explain and provide sample that it's not really possible
trinque: mircea_popescu: exactly right though; when college didn't provide that experience for me, I left it and went to work for the entrepreneurs I knew, learned there
jurov: yes, the diffrence is my older dudes were asking me something they *did not* ever do themselves.
trinque: this is not to say that college cannot provide the experience, but that the shitty one I was paid to attend did not
mircea_popescu: jurov your "older dudes" are simply idiots. what he meant was "people who know this"
ascii_field: very few folks have the good fortune of a proper apprenticeship
mircea_popescu: in many a young man's life, it's the first time when someone says "DO X!"
mircea_popescu: they usually do not, which is indicative of just how badly brought up they are.
mircea_popescu: i blame the whores that fucked the drunks to spawn them.
ascii_field: what of the masters, whose teachings consist of 'go reinstall winblows for the 111th time' ?
ascii_field: this is supposed to teach the value of following a master ?
mircea_popescu: if you equivocate between master and idiot, don't expect me to be able to say much
mircea_popescu: a vast majority of the great she-cooks i know (younger than me) started their cook life by being made to cut cabbage, and beaten for cutting it badly. and made to cut more.
ascii_field: cabbage (or the proverbial potato-peel-detail) are points in a progression to somewhere.
mircea_popescu: there is some value in the "go reinstall windows for the 11th time". the only issue is, who gives the order.
mircea_popescu: and no, you CAN NOT establish if X is or is not "master" by reading the orders.
mircea_popescu: anymore than you can establish if bits are code or data.
trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's only a progression to somewhere sometimes.
trinque: heh, the task was to flatten them out into a driveway
trinque: there was a backhoe nearby
trinque: it knocks the shithead out of you so you listen better when the task is more important
trinque: also teaches you to stop being a pussy in the face of every hard task
mircea_popescu: "A kid comes into a boxing gym. Your job as a coach is to discourage him so that he quits early on and does not waste your time."
mircea_popescu: at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck.
mircea_popescu: the one thing redditards dedicate their lives to avoiding.
trinque: of course I had no idea what I was being taught until later
trinque: thought the guy was just having a twisted laugh watching me shovel
mircea_popescu: there's not even any possible relation between the two, is the thing.
mircea_popescu: think of it as separate machines. what the meaning of data is in X, as it passes it to Y, matters little for Y. and vice-versa.
trinque: hm yeah, whatever he meant of it and whatever I gained from it are distinct
mircea_popescu: Y will take it, in its own context, and do something with it.
mircea_popescu: X is responsible to passing the right data, not to "passing the right data in the right internal context"
trinque: right, the pile of rocks could've been a papua new guinean tradition nobody had a coherent reason for
trinque: dunno that I'd count it against him if it was
mircea_popescu: exactly. which is the biggest problem for the touchy-feely types. absolutely HORRID people can make exceptional teachers
trinque: yeah nobody I've learned from was a sweetheart
trinque: points at a thing I don't have a word for.
trinque: the difference between the naive, single-step "compassion" and the longer view, which involves pain, suffering, so on, but a better outcome
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck. << the popular version of this was, iirc, 'the bad dancer is hindered by his own arse'
mircea_popescu: also the fact that each of his legs is longer than the other.
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mircea_popescu fondly recalls elena dragos. woman was a bit of a famous thing in cluj at the time. an entire year, 180ish students HATED the woman.
mircea_popescu: we got along great. i think might have been my favourite teacher.
mircea_popescu: the woman's sin ? she just... didn't think very much of random teenagers. this, terribru sin for the teenagers in question.
decimation: Happy Feast of St. Cyril & St. Methodius!
jurov: we celebrate these two at 5th of July
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00026022 = 12.5166 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: 37.98-94.86 hahaha
jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 8050 @ 0.000206 = 1.6583 BTC [-]
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.0002502 = 7.8563 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:05:16; ascii_field: why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:24:22; trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel
trinque: I should probably go get some pills for that
davout: jurov: wrt that GBTC thing, it says "each represents ownership of approximately 0.1 BTC", wtf *approximately*?
jurov: i did not feel like examining exact details of that braindamage
cazalla: anyway, having your step son shovel rocks sounds like a good way for the guy to bang your mum without you interrupting
davout: thestringpuller: "We need something like testnet, just not testnet." <<< the thing is that testnet doesn't even behave like actual bitcoin, because magic rules, because reasons
jurov: pity we don't have TaT around anymore. he could have pitched altcoin to them
mircea_popescu: * jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD << i would, if i didn't know in advance that the entire charade is entirely outside of any sort of economical considerations.
jurov: ;;seen thickasthieves
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw i think he's smoking corn cobbs. srsly, if some woman needs me to walk everywhere with her i dun want anything to do with her. learn to kungfu.
mircea_popescu: davout has it. testnet is about as useful to testing bitcoin as it is to testing litecoin.
davout: also i finally understand why the power rangers think checkpoints are a good idea
davout: "because otherwise one would notice that the synchronization protocol is absolutely and completely broken"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00025764 = 7.9353 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: they have a solid tradition of covering old shit that;s starting to stink with freshly laid shit.
davout: it would be pretty lulzy to actually fix it in 0.5.3.1 and then "backport" it to 0.11
mircea_popescu: odds of that are low, seeing how a) they're too stupid-proud to do it and b) we got better shit to do than maintain dead forks.
mircea_popescu: taking shit from b-a log and pretending like your "expert" economists finally figured it out a month later is one thing. taking code and backporting it is harder to deny.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45268 @ 0.00024372 = 11.0327 BTC [-] {4}
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mm soft-launch of the one that I shall be re-launching soonish ^tm >>> i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange
mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
williamdunne: 19:22:10 - davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit << it was stupidity at its finest, pretty sure they only implemented GPG for another buzzword
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70383 @ 0.00024066 = 16.9384 BTC [-]
williamdunne: Sorry was just going over the logs didn't see your message
williamdunne: 23:50:20 - mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
williamdunne: 23:50:31 - mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first. <<< we're doing the KYC bs on the first exchange
williamdunne: Then there will be a separate exchange in the future without the BS
williamdunne: You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat
mircea_popescu: quite. and exactly the same with kyc. if you implement the us rules, you're stuck working for the us. it probably doesn't want you to be doing this, and consequently, you are only allowed to "do it" if you don't actually do it, and for as long as you bring money from home.
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat << mhhhhhm.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, lawsky has his own guy that bribed him to do it, and whoever else has whoever else, and none of those schmucks is you.
mircea_popescu: nothing changes. let's work an example to get what we mean.
mircea_popescu: so, you wish to grow tomatoes. you can either grow tomatoes on land owned by old man KYC, who offers the following deal : "you may [pretend like] you're growing tomatoes here, provided you suck my cock for longer than you derp in the garden, and if any tomatoes grow up you owe me twice as many tomatoes on top of those tomatoes", or you could grow them on unrelated land. which may or may not be able to grow tomatoes in
mircea_popescu: the first place, and may or may not be inhabited by poisonous alien flying earthworms.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now... to answer this you're telling me that you wouldn't be doing the planting directly ? what difference does it make.
ben_vulpes: b-b-but that's the compliant guy's job!
mircea_popescu: because that's totally how the mob works, "hey, i don't owe you money, that was my other personality / sister / neighbour"
ben_vulpes: "noice likkle exchange ew've got there"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if only that guy with the younger queen of spades gf had had the sense to do this, you know ? "hey, i just own the team. go fire my racism guy if you don';t like my being racist"
trinque: old dude owned a basketball team and said something not even that racist
trinque: about his rented gf not being photographed with black men, but she could fuck 'em
cazalla: and with the imminent aussie budget due, muh country slide further down the drain.. "A new tax on bank deposits to build a fund that could be used in the event of a banking collapse. In a handy little boost, the money would also sit on the budget balance sheet. "
trinque: oh no, the shitposting... it's leaking!
cazalla: ben_vulpes, no specific details yet afaik, but this country is fucked regardless
cazalla: reports from earlier in the year suggest 0.05% on deposits up to $250,00 AUD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37558 @ 0.00024066 = 9.0387 BTC [-]
decimation: jurov: re: st. cyril & methoius < apparently it depends on whether you use the julian calendar
decimation: and apparently in slovakia & czech republic it is 5 july, because pope pius ix said so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56597 @ 0.00024066 = 13.6206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 14000 @ 0.000207 = 2.898 BTC [+]
trinque: as you can see, the suit's perfectly conformed to his unique form
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10510 @ 0.000207 = 2.1756 BTC [+]