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mircea_popescu: soo... 7.9 earthquake in nepal, kerry announces "us pledges $1mn".
BingoBoingo: glyphosate is almost a nutrient nao: "The study found glyphosate in all urine samples at values ranging from 0.5 to 2 ng glyphosate per ml urine (drinking water limit: 0.1 ng / ml). None of the examinees had direct contact with agriculture."
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hanbot: whispercore? this is a thing?
menahem: TheButterZone if you start making more tracks, I'mma get in on that!
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EllieAsksWhy: Hello Daniel of Twitter! Wow, this is so exciting. I just replaced my keyboard, I was using the virtual one before, so I could barely type and was hesitant to visit here.
danielpbarron: hello! I had invited you in the past but I think this is your first time?
EllieAsksWhy: Daniel, am I driving everyone away by my presence? That happens in NRx Jackal Hour too :)
danielpbarron: nope, the contrary i'm sure; your presence will almost surely start up a conversation
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EllieAsksWhy: I often browse, lurk, read your logs though. On the sidelines, voiceless
EllieAsksWhy: I am still not convinced that Blythe Masters is truly a "master" of derivatives. She seems more like an investment banker/ figurehead.
☟︎ EllieAsksWhy: I want to be in the WoT. I got a keybase.io key thingy. I was trying to figure out if I could use it for here.
EllieAsksWhy: Okay, thank you. I love how assbot bots on in. It is like a wonderful, interactive version of reddit. I shall return.
assbot: /danielpbarron /crypto_zen Fodder for Mircea et al to dig into:
http://t.co/XTSVRuiD1Z She says she's going to make bitcoin respectable.
EllieAsksWhy: Oh, on reddit, both the Dark Enlightenment and buttcoin sub-reddits, there are sarcastic/funny named bots that do silly things that make me laugh. Even though they are automated, the incongruity always amuses me.
EllieAsksWhy: I initially knew Web of Trust as the Finnish company mywot which has totally gone to hell since someone bought them out a year ago. Your Web of Trust is more like the real one, that proceeded mywot by over a decade, right?
☟︎ Adlai: reddit is inferior to irc on nearly the same level as the inferiority between facebook and actual conversation
☟︎ danielpbarron: what is the real one, EllieAsksWhy, in regards to the WoT ?
EllieAsksWhy: There is also a Web of Trust that is a Canadian accounting auditing certification, not a professional certification but an audit standard of some sort. The real Web of Trust is the original one though.
EllieAsksWhy: I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear. I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone. I only read about things on my own.
☟︎ danielpbarron: oh, this WoT isn't from "mywot.com" and it isn't from MIT
EllieAsksWhy: Yes, Adlai, reddit is inferior to IRC. reddit has an IRC but I haven't used it. I don't trust Facebook. I don't use it, and like to say that it steals your soul. I sort of kind of believe that, in a casual sense, not a real one. It would be blasphemous to suggest it was really true!
danielpbarron: it should be possible to change what key is associated with your nickname, for when you stop using keybase
danielpbarron: or just find a new thing right now. what operating system are you running?
EllieAsksWhy: I need to get a feel for syntax here, and metier. I liked Second Life chat and sometimes Google chat, but am kind of sheltered about messaging, other than Microsoft Connections to annoy the DBA at work.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 04:02:15; EllieAsksWhy: I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear. I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone. I only read about things on my own.
EllieAsksWhy: I am running Windows 7 with Chrome browser. Not cool, no linux or ubuntu or whatnot.
EllieAsksWhy: DAG, Adlai? Should I not use punctuation here (does it mess up assbot's ability to function smoothly)?
EllieAsksWhy: Ah, okay, gpg4win thank you. I want to return here again, very much!
Adlai: decentralized autonomous graphs
EllieAsksWhy: Ah, I see. Dogs. With a crufty accent they become dogs :) Are smileys okay here? I interject them a lot.
BingoBoingo: EllieAsksWhy: The bit.ly links are the links people put in channel, but with a free proxy service
Adlai: EllieAsksWhy: actually directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm
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EllieAsksWhy: Daniel, I'm sorry, I'm being too diffuse. Disregard that, I can explain further later.
assbot: Logged on 13-12-2013 09:22:57; Duffer1: gpg4win hates me
BingoBoingo: EllieAsksWhy: The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS
EllieAsksWhy: Adlai, I use chat on StackOverflow. This reminds me somewhat of that.
EllieAsksWhy: Adlai, this is a lovely description "directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm"
Adlai: it's like taking pictures of a baby
EllieAsksWhy: Hah, hah re "The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS". This isn't a good place for Blythe Masters.
hanbot: EllieAsksWhy so what do you do?
EllieAsksWhy: Hello, hanbot! This is me linkedin.com/in/4lisa I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm looking for a job and unfortunately, that requires using my real full name.
EllieAsksWhy: I do due diligence, using data analysis and descriptive statistics and probability mostly. I like finding problems and vulnerabilities and fraud and arb opportunities.
EllieAsksWhy: Thank you, Daniel. I wasn't sure if that were okay. So many people use pseudonyms which aren't truly that pseudo.
EllieAsksWhy: I need to figure out how to get in your WoT so that I can return here. If I have questions or encounter difficulties, may I ask you for guidance via Twitter, Daniel?
EllieAsksWhy: Yes, arbitunities! Arb is wonderful, so is delta neutral hedging, sources of small but mostly safe profit.
EllieAsksWhy: I will peruse. Y'all will probably be amused by this, but I tried to get myself here by getting an account at one of those bitcoin gambling sites, Satoshi Dice or such. I thought that if I could get an ID there, I could figure out how to use it as a
ben_vulpes: so instead of...research...you just try random things?
EllieAsksWhy: baseline for establishing one here. Nope! And bitcoin dice rolling is probably an appalling waste of money!
EllieAsksWhy: Okay, I am departing now. Thank you everyone. You've been kind and mild. Please give my best wishes to Mircea, if possible.
Vexual: musta rode the hang seng this morn, figured it's time to bitcoin
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Vexual: i rode the hang seng this morning and i figured it's time to bitcoin, how was the conf?
ben_vulpes: stan couldn't keep his eyes in his head re: girls
ben_vulpes: anyways what are you doing watching the hang seng - make anything off that pop at the open?
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Vexual: no, i wasnt awake then'
Vexual: so whaddaya get, some rib fillet, or half a cow?
Vexual: something good presumably
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what have we started! watch this become the next big reddit meme.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov ah yes, that's a niggle that's been bugging me too. thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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ben_vulpes: "Minaj pulled out of Hot 97’s Summer Jam after a DJ criticized Roman’s smash EDM-styled single “Starships” as something other than “real hip-hop.” Lil Wayne and the rest of Young Money canceled their performance at the show as well, in solidarity." << heh.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: didja know that an iphone is just about cost-even with the low end macbook airs?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i knew it was close-ish but i suppose there's even some overlap
pete_dushenski: also: "EEC RAM and the controllers therefor" << ecc ram, therefore*
ben_vulpes: keep 'em comin, i gotta get my ass back into my life routine
ben_vulpes: leadership starts at 6 am or how did it go
Vexual: who wants an big notebook?
Vexual: mp phone and an 11", thats some kit
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes "and have custom trickle in." << customers*
pete_dushenski: other than that, computational sommelier sounds like quite the craft.
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mircea_popescu: cazalla gave you folks more disk. half a gig went pretty fast eh o.O
assbot: You have not rated TheButterZone.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.TheButterZone.1:011ae86d5de58325aca2aacc80b2f6459687dba7e0e50f9db83605b7c77ba1ef
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assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:47:35; EllieAsksWhy: I am still not convinced that Blythe Masters is truly a "master" of derivatives. She seems more like an investment banker/ figurehead.
mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
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assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:57:05; EllieAsksWhy: I initially knew Web of Trust as the Finnish company mywot which has totally gone to hell since someone bought them out a year ago. Your Web of Trust is more like the real one, that proceeded mywot by over a decade, right?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:58:31; Adlai: reddit is inferior to irc on nearly the same level as the inferiority between facebook and actual conversation
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:19:38; mircea_popescu: !rate TheButterZone 1 Dude got a scary whisper.
mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: also i find the idea that various things have different webs of trust silly. yes, idiots use meat wots. this is exactly how aristotle's "no politics is your politics" thing went. otherwise, the wot's for all things.
mircea_popescu: lmao c3 drove a secession in the us across east/west lines ?! who knew that thing's so brittle and easily fractured.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "If Macintosh laptops (long held up as the gold standard of quality in personal computing) " << nobody ever held a laptop as an acceptable form of personal computing. let alone any sort of standard.
mircea_popescu: a laptop is a toy, like a phone or a xbox, something kids that aren't smart enough / rich enough to own computers get for xmas from their weird uncles.
mircea_popescu: broadly speaking, anything without the lego quality is not a real thing, but a toy. that's what the "no user serviceable parts inside" sticker communicates to the world : this is not a tool, this is a toy.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: jurov: ...there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support... << where?! link plz. i'd buy at least one to try
jurov: not yet found any with amd cpu
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cazalla: i guess women don't want to hear libertarian shit on okcupid
mircea_popescu: anyway, the differences between me and justusranvier dude are amusing. fetlife vs okcupid, the locus of butthurt, etc.
cazalla: he actually took a few days off of okcupid because of it.. "Naturally, I reported that conversation for abusive behaviour and I took a break from the site for a few days because frankly I was not expecting that and was a bit shaken from the experience."
cazalla: just imagine 6 months later and he's ready to ask her out and she says no.. total melt down instead of moving on to the next one 6 months prior
mircea_popescu: i might be the only one left doing things this way, but afaik the way is, you give the woman a task. she either does it or doesn't.
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davout: cazalla: oh god, this is priceless
mircea_popescu: was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar.
kakobrekla: the current interface does not allow for it
kakobrekla: i can make assbot say !rate whatever but it wont eval that
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davout: williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy
davout: also they claim to have sunk $100k in the development, but somehow they're opensourcing it now, because incorporating somewhere else than russia isn't practical...
davout: williamdunne: weren't you saying you were making one yourself?
jurov: hi davout, you wanted to ask about mailing list?
davout: jurov: yea, i subscribed a few times but never received a confirmation
Naphex: williamdunne: what davout said. C# is a disadvantage though. You'd have to be crazy to run trading infrastructure on windows sesrvers
davout: Naphex: there's this mono thing by miguel de icaza iirc, no idea if it's still a thing tho
williamdunne: davout: I thought some of the structure was pretty cool with the Elixir message queue
mircea_popescu: <davout> williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy << actually it's the most oversupplied intem in stock.
mircea_popescu: in the bitcoin space, "matching engines" are the equivalent of crusted socks in adolescent boys' bedrooms.
mircea_popescu: so many of them, made with an apparent firm conviction that somehow they'll bring recognition...
davout: yep, because you know, what's really needed and important is that they're able to match 1m orders/s instead a meager 10k orders/s
jurov: if someone gave $100k to alf for bitcoind development instead...
williamdunne: davout: Isn't the point that the in-theory number is about an order of magnitude higher than what it can handle when in actual use
Naphex: williamdunne: anyway trading engines are not that hard to write, they do require some experience to get right.
jurov: "measured in orders/s P.M.P.O"
davout: williamdunne: not really, if the theoretical number is that different from the actual one, you have a problem
Naphex: williamdunne: the good option is to hire the right people and develop an engine according to your infrastrucutre and needs
williamdunne: davout: Well for example, the Java one that I wrote can match 160k/s when pumping in random data directly. But when we add the overheads for actually accepting and handling orders from customers it will not do close to that
Naphex: williamdunne: you aren't doing 'real-matching'. those stats aren't really saying much
davout: williamdunne: why? the matching engine should be the only single-threaded bottleneck
davout: you can spread order acceptation, and trade settlement, just not the matching
Naphex: williamdunne: and with binary insert it can do a lot more then tha
davout: and if you can't there's really not that much point in writing something really fast
williamdunne: Naphex: True, I still need to take a proper look at that
williamdunne: Naphex: Still don't understand how to handle the order of the maps though
williamdunne: davout: Haven't looked to much at the architecture of that yet, but you're right
Naphex: you use binarySearch with a Time-Price to find the insertion point for your order. Thus your list/map will always be sorted
Naphex: Time-Price* Comparator->
williamdunne: !rate Naphex 3 Knows his shit, and willing to share it
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davout: this justusranvier thing keeps on giving
davout: "Are you sure the reason you assume the admin was correct is because the admin was paid, and not because of the genders of the involved parties?"
BingoBoingo: On the typical USian dating site, gender matters. Other than on grinder the dating site will rarely ever have a shortage of dicks.
BingoBoingo: Grindr's the one dicks use to find nearby dicks
davout: and now, hearn and him are stuck derping at how micro-payments and smart contracts would have prevented the whole thing
davout: obviously hearn concludes that it's really necessary to push the block size
mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid this. who the shit would enter into a contract with justus ranvier and why exactly ?
mircea_popescu: "we will deliver chicks to you because you're so speshul"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder if gay sites have a serious problem with supplying enough bottoms.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is amazing how much more productive the conversation gets when discussing logistics of dating sites instead of derping over bans
mircea_popescu: "Another part is a distributed marketplace for dispute resolution based on smart contracts."
jurov: waitwhat? in murica chicks flock to grindr?
jurov: what's this "justusranvier thing"?
mircea_popescu: "No thanks. I'll keep using my card. It has way too many benefits not to. I'll switch to Bitcoin when it's easier to use, offers buyer protection and has more benefits than cc's. Which won't be anytime soon." << funny how dynamic equilibrium perceived as static works.
mircea_popescu: dude proceeds from this locus where no matter what, he will keep on getting money on his govt issued card.
mircea_popescu: because no matter what, govt will keep getting that money, and keep seeing him as a worthy expense.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently.
mircea_popescu: then OboombaIII is more than welcome to use all his cards for all the benefits he wants, whatever they may be. it won't be food, but hey, a rich life of the mind doth not require material contraptions.
williamdunne: bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently. <<< See, I totally agree with this. But this is why I think that there should be bigger blocks (not Gavin's proposal, but statically bigger). Easier to rape the state surely if its less inconvenient and more people can do so
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Nah, then you just end up bloating the chain with welfare spam
williamdunne: Because if more people are able to keep their funds away from government tendrils, it seems like it would do more damage than a few. While a few people have a lot of money to hide, a lot of people can be turned against them (i.e "evil tax avoiders") and violence works
mircea_popescu: if violence worked, the situation wouldn't be stable currently.
mircea_popescu: what was it, 1% of world pop owns 50% of assets or what ?
mircea_popescu: besides, a little bit of violence would go a very long way towards resolving most of the western problems currently.
williamdunne: Well yeah, but the violence I'm describing is going against the people who shouldn't be receiving it
mircea_popescu: the thing with violence is that it's pretty self-explainatory.
williamdunne: Well there are lots of instances of violence where the people committing it should have been on the receiving end
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:22:40; mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.
mircea_popescu: hot women don't work for idiots. governments are always hierarchies of idiots. ergo...
mircea_popescu: as a government, all you can get is beta males and menopausal females.
mircea_popescu: soviets sunk on the former, the us is sinking on the latter, pretty much.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.
williamdunne: Relatively sensible consensus, i.e holocaust was bad, Armenian massacre is bad.
williamdunne: asciilifeform: No I mean literally what does it mean, a bitcoin web-hosting company?
mircea_popescu: well, not necessarily web, people might want to host irc servers, etc. but yes.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Most, although I guess thats overly democratic
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Yeah, I'd like to see one not operated by a tool
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I think its fair to say holocaust is bad
mircea_popescu: williamdunne but these aren't involved third parties. so the burned jews are too dead to say, and the burning germans are also too dead to say. at the time however it stands to reason the victims all agreed they shouldn't be victims, and the perpetrator agreed on the contrary pov.
jurov: williamdunne i am trying to put something together , maybe with TomServo but never did it before
jurov: i mean i have worked in a colo cage before, but never build one from scratch
mircea_popescu: there's a space between "x is bad" and "x shouldn't have happened".
williamdunne: Yeah, for sure I'd be glad to use it if you do
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:33; mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So the violence was just? Sorry I'm struggling to follow.
mircea_popescu: violence is always just by its own measure. that's what violence is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you achieve this regard other than through experience ?
jurov: i have seen numerous people stick to one thing only "because of experience"
mircea_popescu: you similarly don't expect to find experience with cars and car parts at the mechanic's ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So if I were to beat you, it would be just for violence's sake?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne if you manage it, you've managed it, right ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: But I don't see how that makes it just
mircea_popescu: well, "just" only exists in a certain context. in the context of violence itself, there's no space for more functions than "DidItHappen()" which returns a bool.
jurov: mircea_popescu: you ever asked multiple automechanics which car is the most reliable?
mircea_popescu: if you construct more complex spaces you get "WasItGood()" and "ShouldItHaveHappened()" etc, but now you are also stuck with the complexity.
jurov: it's usually 2 people 3 answers situation
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Ah okay, right. That make more sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but yu're a deductive nut. whereas the job of a sommelier is ipso definitio inductive.
mircea_popescu: no sommelier "deduces" what the better wine is on the basis of watching winemaking videos or some shit
jurov: well, imagine how would it work. i'll buy 10 kinds of various crap, observe for years how it behaves
mircea_popescu: hopefully something more substantial than "most people agree"
jurov: and in the meantime they are not manufactured anymore
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well thats hard to summarize with a formulae as its relative. Normally I would favour the person who was most productive prior to said violence
mircea_popescu: this "most productive" approach is how you got eminent domain.
mircea_popescu: anyway, violence has the marked ethical advantage that it removes people from the goop where they imagine they are in control of their environmenty and the future.
mircea_popescu: one of those nimby problems : violence is not only great, in the general, but sorely needed for functioning society.
mircea_popescu: and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had.
mircea_popescu: the police are trying to compensate, what with the random raping of middle class derps, but it's really a toothpick in a levy breach
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I don't think they are actively trying to compensate, just a side effect
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:47:48; asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
nubbins`: if you see an old man at the grocery store, walking around the produce section and picking up and smelling EVERYTHING, they're probably a sommelier
nubbins`: williamdunne sommelier = wine guy
nubbins`: mircea_popescu being a sommelier is pretty boring.
nubbins`: your friends tend to come in 750mL bottles
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:27:12; asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
nubbins`: but srs, i've given a glass of wine to a L2 sommelier and he told me /which country and which grape/ it was made from
nubbins`: with a decade and a half of wine tasting under his belt
nubbins`: "tastes like lychee" "wtf does lychee taste like?" "let's go to the grocery store..."
nubbins`: skills like this, i have a soft spot for
nubbins`: my old man used to work with this guy who claimed he could identify ~12 species of wood by smell alone
nubbins`: so the old man brings in 12 wooden blanks for turning pens, and a blindfold.
nubbins`: guy aces 11 of the 12, declares 12th to be "X or Y", and sure enough it was X
nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone
☟︎ nubbins`: TBF this gave me a serious case of the o.Os
nubbins`: TBF i don't think i have a chance as a chef anyway
nubbins`: not because of lack of skill -- i put my way through university cooking and i can blow any self-described "chef" outta the water
nubbins`: but because i don't have the patience to earn the red seal
nubbins`: nor to condemn myself to working in restaurant kitchens
nubbins`: asciilifeform the space of "humans who grok their fields" is ever-shrinking
nubbins`: *we* don't, the restauranteurs do
nubbins`: for the same reason the places hiring programmers care about the B.Sc.
nubbins`: not because it implies skill or suitability for the position
nubbins`: but because it implies the holder is willing to waste time in pursuit of a "maybe"
mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do.
nubbins`: which is a really nice feature for your employees to have
davout: mike_c: could you make it possibru to zoom on the wot graphs?
mircea_popescu: davout it's a svn, you should be able to zoom natively
nubbins`: many of the lessons learned inside the kitchen are uniquely inapplicable outside, as well.
nubbins`: "don't touch black things because they might be hot enough to send you to the hospital" :D
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact my knowledge of welting and bruising helped cooking
davout: mircea_popescu: doesn't really work for some reason, also the SVG tags are embedded directly in the HTML, makes it impossible to open in new tab for example
nubbins`: mircea_popescu do you find that argentinians mallet the fuck out of steaks?
nubbins`: i found this to be almost the rule in peru, wondered if the epidemic was more widespread
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : i had a proper bleue davout! quarter inch cooked on each side, one inch pure cold red inside
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:28:24; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.
nubbins`: "i'll have the steak sandwich" (server takes out heavy maul and nice steak)
Adlai: it's an advantage within certain constraints, which are rather invisible from inside the cage
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nubbins`: oh, meantime, i purchased a micro-registration head for the t-shirt press, to evaluate
nubbins`: only had to drill two holes through 1.4" aluminum to install
nubbins`: the fuckers quite obviously dropped the thing on the ground when packaging, one of the bolts is severely bent
nubbins`: but luckily all the connections are rose joints and there's *just* enough clearance for the thing to still work
mircea_popescu: jurov guy made a reddit post complaining about how okcupid canned his acct.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had << Also the part where the largest agricultural use of water in California is... Alfalfa... for export to China as livestock fodder...
nubbins`: let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash
nubbins`: and buy bottled water with the money
Adlai: please tell me about your water problems
nubbins`: i don't have any water problems, i'm from eastern canada
davout: jurov: did my test e-mail to btd-dev work? received some feedback myself, just making sure it's all wired up correctly on my end
mircea_popescu: !rate justusranvier -1 I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see
http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
☟︎ Adlai: some hypothesize that the root cause of the middle east confilict is... water
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.justusranvier.-1:99670a7a9a8b4ce30196f7fa777da821fbb9e8635a61028891d78c7246f8bd24
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http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
nubbins`: "OK" should give an idea of what's been added)
nubbins`: asciilifeform silkscreening is silkscreening, the only major differences are (a) the emulsion spread on screens to hold images, and (b) the inks
nubbins`: i could silkscreen PCBs with this setup if i was OK with the fumes and caustic chems
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash << But It's the only way to get some of these shipping containers back to China in a manner other than empty!
nubbins`: BingoBoingo you mean the redditards haven't turned them all into "sweet $2,000 off-grid houses" yet?
jurov: davout it was received, sent, archived.. what else did you expect?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still vegetables, but... Not as many.
davout: jurov: george clooney, some nespresso
nubbins`: asciilifeform the white inks i use are somewhere between dried toothpaste and drywall compound in consistency
jurov hands davout hipster decaf coffe with non-dairy creamer sweetened by stevia
Adlai: mircea_popescu: there's some truth to it (pretty awesome owning both sides of the lake!) but it seems like an overly narrow version of "it's just tribal hysteresia that hasn't yet settled"
nubbins`: asciilifeform hm i bet you need some low mesh counts for that
jurov: mircea_popescu: one can get used to it
punkman: I saw ketchup with stevia at the super the other day
nubbins`: we have some metallic inks that require ~80 threads per inch
nubbins`: normal screens for paper printing: 305tpi
mircea_popescu: Adlai i for one believe it's driven by women. specifically : the arabs understand voicing women is a problem and don't understand how to fix it, whereas the jews/xtians/other european colonists don't understand voicing women is a problem.
punkman: mircea_popescu: stevia extract is pretty sweet
nubbins`: ever since that episode of Breaking Bad?
Adlai: well it's tricky, because (arabs != muslims != those in conflict) with (jews != israelis != zionists)
Adlai: there is such a thing as "arab jews", they'll just stab you if you call them that
Adlai: they make up a large part of israel's population
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Whats wrong with voicing women?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they favour "safety", and tend to misunderstand it.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha... Adlai cruisin' for a bruisin' online lawl
Adlai: from "spharad" = spain, where they got kicked out from by the inquisitors, picked up some arab culture and genes for a few centuries, then immigrated here during the last
williamdunne: But there is nothing wrong with voicing women who are risk tolerant?
williamdunne: Able to handle risk, i.e doesn't favour safety
nubbins`: oh man, only 4 days til the creature moves out
nubbins`: caught a rare glimpse of him today
mircea_popescu: that doesn't directly relate to the totally nutso things they do with their children. find one woman that considers a plain "don't worry about this one, you can make another" as an adequate condoleance over her dead baby.
williamdunne: Isn't that de-risking in their opinion? An attempt to secure a spouse?
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mircea_popescu: the problem is that an overly protective attitude towards children ruins them.
mircea_popescu: this worked fine back when the species was powerless, because nobody really cared what women derped about.
mircea_popescu: as we've become powerful, they've suddenly got a major problem. much worse than teh nuclear bomb, really.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the public discourse in natoland is so female centric these days btw. it's not some evil conspiracy against men, it's just, we've managed to dig out a very gendered problem and the bitchez are stuck trying to fix it.
nubbins`: asciilifeform after looking at some solder paste press setups, yeah, you could 100% do this in my basement
davout: my wife doesn't understand when i tell her that newborns sort of have to be "adopted" by the father at some point
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nubbins`: almost certainly w/o even changing any of the chems or supplies
davout: basically that women pretty much count a new child as "existing" as soon as they can feel it in their flesh, whereas men must wait to see the baby
davout: source of misunderstandings some time :)
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nubbins`: incidentally, all this shit experienced a revival in western art because of warhol. and you should see pictures of the fuckin equipment he used. super wtf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "fixing" by and large leans towards denial there's any problem whatsoever, so far. which is why the war. to get back to the original point with adlai.
nubbins`: also 46 is an impossibly low mesh count.
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nubbins`: couple of the guys in that thread actually inherited some old warhol gear, pretty neat
nubbins`: stalkers are also welcome to try finding me on the gp forums
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar. << My apologies, all set.
nubbins`: "got a chance to look at a bunch up close in a gallery in hawaii, the ink was caked on and cracked all over. He used a bunch of different printers. the actual production of the art was no biggie, he just found images with halftones already and blew them up in a camera, or if he took the polaroids when he was doing all the portraits, he added a halftone small, then blew them up to make them go ratty. rubies were cut (or stencils) for b/g,
nubbins`: and many times the printers were just given a bunch of colours and combos to work through."
mircea_popescu: basically more of the same "warhol is this whore who made a lot of money and we being from america think this is art"
nubbins`: "the ink was caked on and cracked all over" was saddening to read
mircea_popescu: then all the derps hoping it wears off go all nutty "Any of you have some light to shed on a few of these questions?
mircea_popescu: What method did he use for photo exposure? What did he use for positives, lith film using reversal process?"
mircea_popescu: now go find a woman to be nice and sense-of-humour-y to.
nubbins`: he really did just do whatever
nubbins`: generally didn't even pull the squeegee himself
nubbins`: just stood around being weird and told people to do shit
nubbins`: it's a difficult skill to master, really difficult
nubbins`: if you ever wonder why "grunge texture" got so popular in gig posters and silkscreened art prints
nubbins`: it's because the creators didn't know wtf they were doing and were unable to pull clean prints
nubbins`: so they added "grunge texture" in photoshop to cover up their shit technique
nubbins`: "now you can' tell if it's because it's on purpose, or because my mesh hasnt been changed in 5 years so it's noisy and has zero tension"
nubbins`: not bragging or anything but i've never seen any silkscreen prints that are better than my own
nubbins`: and i've been all over the world tracking the shit down
mircea_popescu: you do find the stupidest shit to dedicate yourself to...
nubbins`: hey, the only wood i collect these days is in pressed-pulp form
nubbins`: but yeah, drugs and bitcoin are prolly the 2 stupidest so far
nubbins` was dismayed at rudimentary binding techniques used by the atelier that inspired him to start printing on paper
Adlai: not to mention landlording cretins
nubbins`: Adlai hey that only happened once!
nubbins`: altho i should tell you stories about the roommate who didn't have a sense of smell...
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pete_dushenski: "China says no more strippers at funerals. A statement from the Ministry of Culture on Thursday said the government is working with local police to stop suggestive funeral performances, which are intended to draw more mourners to the events." << whatever it takes to be best most popular dead guy.
BingoBoingo: Anyway, funeral is kinda supposed to be a celebration.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
☟︎ Pierre_Rochard can already see pete_dushenski sitting shiva with close relatives and strippers
pete_dushenski suspects inheritance will actually go to spca or tree-planting in israel but w/e
pete_dushenski: "you might want to think twice before you use Groupon (GRPN) to keep things safe. The Australian branch of the deal-scoring website is recalling a number of condoms sold between March 12th and April 10th. The condoms, labeled as Durex turned out to be counterfeit and the Australian Government Department of Health warns that they could have holes poked in them." << there are things to cut coupons for and then the
pete_dushenski: terrorists who want australian deal-seekers to deplete the island's public and natural resources.
Adlai: my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ^ "GAW Miners CEO Admits to Charity Fraud". Retrieved 2015-04-27.
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mircea_popescu: i'm not even the washington of b-a, not having yet lead anyone through any valleyforge. let alone king.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to think so myself, but then i read on fetlife i'm really spurned by teh ladies, and so...
hanbot: mircea_popescu perhaps williamdunne meant the kind of king that's painted on velvet and prefers peanut butter banana sammiches.
williamdunne: On that note, FetLife still haven't responded to my gracious offer to fix their shit for 10 btc
pete_dushenski: like the dentist who's busy when priced competitively, wants to be less busy, jacks up his prices to the highest in town, and then has his doors beaten down with customers like never before.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski happens more to gynecologists/cosmetic surgeons than dentists but yeah
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i'm not saying 10 btc isn't serious, but isn't premium enough. they are poor though.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: no doubt. i just happen to know a dentist for whom this happened, so it was salient.
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hanbot: mircea_popescu: doesn't even sound like him. i'd say the doldrums did wonders for his voice.
mircea_popescu: " At the sentencing hearing the prosecution plans to present new evidence,"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And you thought they were a rogue state before...
mircea_popescu: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing."
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mircea_popescu: im definitely paying for a coupla people to cry at preet's own sentencing.
Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The unprintable stuff in other media is Dratel's gut reaction is a "harm reduction" defense, and not STFU if this wasn't good enough for trial, roll it in sand and shove it up your ass.
BingoBoingo: I just can't take Dratel seriously as part of "Team Ulbricht" anymore
mircea_popescu: goes to show that any man who hires a clerk of the court to defend him from the us govt is having a fool for a client
williamdunne: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing." <<< fo'real? Appealing to the juries feels
Adlai: williamdunne: scalpl (my thingy) spent a year on a thinkpad x30 without a harddisk, i think you're doing just fine
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Actually SOP, except for the part where this allegedly harm wasn't presented at all during trial
williamdunne: Not to mention they would have been doing drugs anyway
pete_dushenski: "Current versions of WordPress are vulnerable to a stored XSS. An unauthenticated attacker can inject JavaScript in WordPress comments. The script is triggered when the comment is viewed. "
pete_dushenski: "To prevent exploitation, administrators should disable comments (Dashboard, Settings/Discussion, select as restrictive options as possible). Do not approve any comments. "
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assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 15:41:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
kakobrekla: * Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL < the redundant ministry of redundancy put that there
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actual exploits, or idiot trojans ?
ascii_field: because there is no shortage of the latter
mircea_popescu: AMAZON.CO.UKMar 5, 2014 +468 KiBorder #559-69409{_DIGIT[5]
ascii_field: l0l i get just about all of the items mircea_popescu quotes
Adlai: kakobrekla: srsly, how about just: <name> <url> <title...>
Adlai: or rather i should bitch at williamdunne
Adlai wants (poster locator &rest title-words) !
Adlai: BingoBoingo: any estimates on the range of possibilities are for the sentencing?
Adlai doesn't see why it's relevant to have additional testimonies, on either side, once the jury has convicted... shouldn't the judge sentence based on the same evidence used by the jury?
jurov: !gettrust assbot rmunroe
Adlai: it's almost ironic how the continued persecution just cements ross's martyrdom
Adlai: have they forgotten how to dump bodies in the ocean?
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Generally a jury sentences in USia if a jury tried
pete_dushenski: Adlai: like christina in argentina can only afford to have one crown prosecutor die.
pete_dushenski: even though 3 more replaced him and now she's pooched.
Adlai: jury sentencing is... decentralized! yay
mircea_popescu: " This message has been rejected because it has a potentially executable attachment "You received a new message from Skype voicemail service.eml""
Adlai never understood the forward vs attach dichotomy
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as far as i can see it's spamolade
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 16:10:32; Adlai: my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms
ben_vulpes: and pete_dushenski i'm pretty sure that custom is an acceptable use in that context
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: who the fuck targets with this windows crap << plenty of folks
Adlai: ascii_field: no, that's just for detecting roofies; sperm belong to the succubus from first arousal
ascii_field: Adlai: no, what i meant was, it is not especially difficult to make layers that change colour (or give off heat, smoke, etc) if they come into contact through a broken intermediate shield
ascii_field: naturally for the envelope, not condom per se
Adlai is aware, was just dribbling idiocy. technology has existed to solve many problems, which isn't yet in use...
mircea_popescu: i think what *he* meant was that he lives under oppression.
Adlai: if you do it for the condom, it detects accident as well as sabotage
mircea_popescu: so far, i broke dozens of condoms. had none sabotaged.
Pierre_Rochard: “in the midst of raising around $40 million at a pre-money valuation of approximately $200 million"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is very clearly not even theoretically the target audience, though.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard so lulzy. then garza tries and fails to raise 50k via his muchly-crimped cantor fitzgerald contact.
mircea_popescu: can't get 50k in real money, all the while derps get "40mn" in pseudo money.
Adlai: "Open source software . Preinstalled . Configured . Bootable ISO . Your hardware . Your sysadmin . Professional support . Automatic security updates"
Adlai: to their credit, "Do not use GoodCrypto for mail encryption if: You are already encrypting mail. Even if GoodCrypto is easier, we don't want a monoculture."
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ascii_field: l0l sure in the logs. but what of the lusers - none of them actually want to live ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the FetLife replacement project how important is the client side JS encryption? Would it for example be redundant if hosted on metal outside of the US, and operated by someone willing to say fuck you to a subpoena?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Working on scoping the whole thing out for you, but changes things a bit
williamdunne: Okay, would it be important to you in other words?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne in other words without encryption it is not worth even mentioning.
williamdunne: Ok, it can still be done, just limits some usability things
williamdunne: What data is deemed to be suitable to keep outside of encryption?
JuliaTourianski_: "doesn't hurt to touch base with the guy who owns an exchange worth 300k and who was asking about you.. " daniel p. barron
ascii_field still doesn't grasp why folks seem intent on building another 'lavabit'
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ he has a way about him. anyway, do me a favour, read the clocks thing
ascii_field wonders if mircea_popescu is using 'clocks' thing to look for a nice voice to go on the #b-a shortwave propaganda station
mircea_popescu: ascii_field maybe i'm just trying to misguide the metansa!
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mats: that was suspicious... i think i crashed assbot
kakobrekla: i restarted it to kick it out of schizophrenic mode
ascii_field: 'When we tried wget, it detected errors, retried, and finally succeeded. It said the error was a bad length field in a TLS packet. That didn't make sense at first because we thought TLS packets were error corrected by TCP.' << incidentally, i am not certain that i agree with the author's conclusion ('reverse heartbleed'.) it may very well be an attempt to exploit other braindamage in
http stack
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah it's not clear from the notes that they actually identified the mechanism
mircea_popescu: "The attack appears to be from someone sitting on the net pipes and injecting packets. This requires huge resources. The U.S., U.K., Canadian, and Chinese spooks do this. Ordinary criminals don't have the ability."
ascii_field: and based on the choice of target, usg -wants- idiots to use 'goodcrypto' on account of it being derp
ascii_field: but needed to write this love letter in very oblique way
mircea_popescu: weakest link in the whole thing. a) "criminals" ie, non-criminals do have the ability, it's really not that hard and b) how did he figure that
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: allusion to the 'quantum insert' thing where they mitm million+ connections at backbone level
mircea_popescu: "Because the goodcrypto.com servers are in Europe, China is an unlikely suspect." because...
ascii_field: chinese mo is, traditionally, shenanigans at own border
ascii_field: because they are mainly concerned with simple internal cattle management
ascii_field: rather than usg-style boiling of the oceans
mircea_popescu: judging by the 1mn aid kerry announced for nepal, i'd say us is just as internal cattle management-y.
ascii_field: u.s. takes 'internal' to mean whole of planet3
mircea_popescu: allegedly. i have some trouble following these texts that rely so heavily on knowledge of other machine's internal states.
mircea_popescu: id' have liked that report a lot more if it focused on a complete description of the mechanism of action
mircea_popescu: in lieu of idle speculation of the geopolitical considerations.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for all i know, the entire purpose of that report was to make the offender go underwater and prevent proper forensic work
ascii_field: sorta like the actual meatspace effect of much of the snowden thing
ascii_field: (e.g., where the fuck is my 'FLUXBABBITT' ? bounty, and no one took. how many zeroes would have to be added ?)
ascii_field: at the time of that post, it was several $k us
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the site's meet + greet space, what should be publicly viewable. Should users be able to set public/private names individually (private of course encrypted)?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record, that fluxbabbitt thing is such bs... srsly, interdiction costs $500 now ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39802 @ 0.00029647 = 11.8001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00029645 = 14.4816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00029629 = 10.9627 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how the hell would i know what it costs
ascii_field: for all we know, the jtag daughterboards never existed en masse because boobytraps baked into silicon at factory more than suffice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8307 @ 0.00030119 = 2.502 BTC [+]
jurov: "It prevents her from investing in a bad embryo, lets her get rid of it right away, and primes her body for another successful pregnancy."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 594 @ 0.0017268 = 1.0257 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 7dafb72baef08b6a23eaf3c16693180d851d1f433113236af63d72e007a72f1a
assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 466874a6f4704d2e62a683e5f81bb1c3023ea9884ec76962b67e35fae8df4b32
assbot: sha256sum trustlist.txt : 3511d840ab9535e213e051f1f02a873e4531b6a26719080dd96134abe14af438
jurov: so to be sure trustlist.txt is okay i need to come to irc and intercourse with assbot?
fluffypony: "intercourse with assbot" is my new favourite phrase
williamdunne: I have an existing account there, and easy to drag and drop it over. What is a better option?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34030 @ 0.00030557 = 10.3985 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: williamdunne can it be a paste ? blog article ? something ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 500 for 'hardware and installation' includes only what the monkey does in the interdiction checkpoint
ascii_field: rather than the cost of interdiction, which is in fact externalized to cisco et al
ascii_field: presumably the 'unit cost' is what the components actually cost. rather than the usual amortized nre, etc. which honest people include in such a figure.
mircea_popescu: false dichotomy. la serenissima IS the establishment. that some faux estab lishments characterize it as "rebels"...
ascii_field: one can only suppose that he has not taken the lsd yet.
mircea_popescu: prolly interacted with a bunch of "representatives", got the natural conclusion "kids be idiots".
mike_c: can we never use tinypic again?
mircea_popescu: btw mike_c, save a copy of the big svg pre update tonight ?
williamdunne: Yeah just wanted to get a basic idea of functionality, nothing too fancy
mike_c: it is covered with floating ads and pops up tabs with warez.
mircea_popescu: well that's mostly in teh trilema post. i was looking for more of a "use X thing from Y to do encoding. add Z from K to do M." etc.
mike_c: direct link redirects you
mike_c: you must have better JS filtering
mike_c: and sure, I'll save a copy of the graph. Trivial for anyone to do with right-click, save-as
mike_c: it's whatever the server says to do
mike_c: like: location *.png { rewrite }
trinque: can confirm that a) it redirected me too the first time and b) didn't now
jurov: mircea_popescu: apparently the heat other animals have is distinct from full period with menstruation
mircea_popescu: jurov well ok, that's true. but i mean you know, the feet of ungulates are distinct from the feet of palmipedes or w/e
jurov: they don't have so aggressive emryos, don't need to reinforce and then shed uterus wall
jurov: that's all it was about
mircea_popescu: well it's called "covert menstruation", it still bleeds byt they carry their tampax inside.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Wanted to make sure that we're on the same page before doing that. Happy to do a scope like that but first I've done in that level of detail
mircea_popescu: williamdunne b-a style development is a very loose process.
mike_c: chetty: cool pic! kinda sad to see boxy go :)
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assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:59:38; nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone
assbot: Potato or Tomato? - Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution | Promo Clip | On Air With Ryan Seacrest - YouTube ... (
http://bit.ly/1Gz827B )
mircea_popescu: cazalla the funniest part is, they think they hate various vegetables they've never had.
ascii_field: and then they visit b-a and they can have opposite problem, described in asimov's 'secret sense' :
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i had some crema de almendras and thought of you
ascii_field: now eat some burned tyre and think of me, l0l
mircea_popescu: i also had cherisse with maraschino cherries, but thought of ben.
☟︎ ascii_field is having some difficulty re-habituating to earthling food
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> yeah, i'd hate frozen shit too. <<< ya, friend of the missus has knocked back freebies from my garden a few times on the basis she "doesn
cazalla: doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol << pumpkin seeds are the best vandalism
☟︎ williamdunne: Guessing throw them on some land and watch a bunch of pumpkins turn up
jurov: imo in certain countries more fun can be had with poppy seed :D
mircea_popescu: or, if you work at an undertaker, cut off toes from the dead people and plant them in live people's yards.
jurov: once we had to explain to a spaniard intern what a poppy seed is, it's popular as cake filling around
jurov: "yes, opium is made from that"
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mircea_popescu: !rate nanotube 3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
mircea_popescu: !rate nanotube 3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.
mircea_popescu: mike_c hm, the timestamp gets sorted weirdly (alphabetical, so aug 2014 is after april 2013 etc)
assbot: is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.lyspooner.1:568fdceca14520ded232a1f434a8a346a26e0cd052a0225d79216bd763b1618a
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for lyspooner from 3 to 1 with note: Old hand. Long time, no see.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.ocminer.1:46ca7769b539b61d5fca0a8f76139cad90d4d5c4c9d2e2667e7a99c322628786
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for ocminer from 3 to 1 with note: Old hand. Long time, no see.
Cory: mircea_popescu: Do you still use nanotube's too?
mircea_popescu: on occasion, if people who don;t know about assbot insist .
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00030019 = 2.8368 BTC [+]
BigBitz: why all the unrating, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: Police meanwhile announced they had received a "credible threat" that several known criminal gangs in Baltimore had "entered into a partnership to 'take out' law enforcement officers." << check it out
trinque: I was wondering how long that'd take.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo whoa check it out, the meriwether fight purse is 400mn ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37679 @ 0.00029528 = 11.1259 BTC [-]
trinque: or rather, watch-spacex-scrub-launches feed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously the purse is bigger than CoinBase's bezzelbucks
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Makes things easier for those terrified of a terminal
trinque: scared of driving? here have a blindfold
mircea_popescu: dude stop fixing things that work. you wanna do something, make gentoo work as smoothly as cpanel.
mircea_popescu: myeah. that's nothing : at some point servers were owned through an actual cpanel update.
jurov: iirc i broke cpanel as quickly as you did gentoo
mircea_popescu: i'd settle for a well documented and judiciously defaulted gentoo.
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: naw, if I was setting up 200 of these things, I'd want a process other than manual lever pulling
trinque: you can do an image, but say the build's different between them
mircea_popescu: jurov its a reference ot this romanian castration story.
mircea_popescu: so it kinda looks like assad may actually be going away.
jurov: Iliescu wrote on this blog on Monday that "I would surely have taken another decision'' if he had known what the CIA was doing.
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure he wouldn't have taken another decision. it was openly discussed at the time that the americans are scum, but the country wnated the eu membership.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The zoo in Baltimore affecting your weather at all?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, funeral was today. Apparently there are day riots nao.
mats: destroyed a CVS, a car, a 7-Eleven... hardly calls for the national guard
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: There's a picture, It's like pissing the first couple hours of taking a blowgun dart to the dick
mats: news station on fire
Pierre_Rochard: “investigated Citigroup over mortgage securities sold by the bank, resulting in a US$7 billion settlement; and was involved in the US$1.2 billion settlement with HSBC”
mats: "it's hard to figure out who are the instigators because they're all black"
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Pierre_Rochard: holder was on his way to getting impeached so he resigned, “for personal reasons” of course